0:02

is going be in wyoming late

0:10

tuesday morning at a a polling place

0:13

in jackson, wyoming, congresswoman

0:15

liz cheney talked about the issue that see

0:17

have been talking about for the last year

0:19

and a half her fight against

0:21

trump's efforts to overturn the twenty

0:23

twenty election as , country

0:25

where facing very challenging a difficult

0:28

time were facing were

0:30

where our democracy really

0:32

is under attack and under threat

0:35

one of the journalists who was with her was congressional

0:37

report or paul came who wondered

0:39

whether this emphasis on trump was

0:42

ultimately hurting anybody ,

0:44

and people they think that it did you put

0:46

it like that you have run a local issued

0:49

campaign and that you you

0:53

not talking as much of our former presidents

0:55

anybody them are

0:58

you going to regret for math

0:59

i have no regrets i feel very

1:02

proud about all the work that i've done so the

1:04

people wyoming know that less years

1:07

and death really understand really understand

1:09

there's nothing more important

1:23

already it sounded like cheney was

1:25

expecting to lose and ,

1:27

on tuesday night she did not

1:30

just by a little but by a lot

1:33

it was the largest margin we have

1:35

seen in any of

1:37

the impeachment republicans going down this

1:39

year that is politics reporter

1:41

amber phillips at this point

1:43

with ninety point with of votes tallied

1:46

cheney is trailing her opponent

1:48

harry

1:48

name twenty

1:50

nine percent to sixty six

1:52

percent it was also expected at

1:54

this is a states it's he tried

1:56

to run for me relax and then

1:58

where trump

1:59

one was seventy percent of the vote one

2:02

of the largest margins and

2:03

the twenty anywhere so it's

2:05

it's not a surprise

2:08

that list sammy lost it's it's almost

2:10

more of a surprise that of republicans

2:12

are my own ming ended , being

2:15

z republican to

2:17

be the voice and the critic of of truth

2:20

isn't

2:23

from the newsroom of the washington post this

2:26

is pissed reports i margene

2:28

powers it's wednesday august

2:30

seventeenth today we're talking

2:32

to amber philips about chinese loss and

2:35

where she goes from here and

2:37

later on the show were going to break down the election

2:40

in a

2:40

that where there is a major test

2:42

of a new voting system that is

2:44

already yielding some surprising

2:47

election results

2:56

two years ago i won his primary

2:58

was seventy three percent of the votes i

3:01

could easily have done the same again

3:04

the path with clear but

3:06

, would have required that i go along

3:08

with president trump's lie about the twenty twenty

3:11

election election would have required

3:13

that i enable his ongoing efforts

3:15

to unravel our democratic system

3:17

and attack the foundations of our republic

3:20

that was that path i could not and

3:23

would not kids

3:30

no amber a really does seem like

3:32

even

3:32

the any herself does not surprised

3:35

that she ended up losing the selection

3:37

that's right cheney

3:40

new i think as far back as scenery

3:42

six that to be a republican

3:44

who supported impeachment of

3:46

a republican president republican popular one

3:48

at that

3:50

then you had to be willing to lose your

3:52

job and sure enough we've

3:54

seen impeachment republican

3:56

after impeachment republican lose their

3:58

job in his prime

3:59

the

4:00

the onset of focus on trying

4:03

to get reelected in wyoming and and

4:05

change the minds of all

4:07

these trump voters in her seat cheney

4:10

decided to focus entirely

4:12

on remaking herself has the

4:14

voice of anti trump or some within

4:16

the republican party see excepted

4:18

not just a spot on the january sixth

4:20

congressional committee but the vice chairmanship

4:23

the number two spots see spoke

4:25

at the beginning ndn very prominently

4:29

for every january six hearing that they

4:31

held the summer sooner father cut this

4:33

really dramatic add right before the primary

4:35

where they talked about how trump can't get anywhere

4:37

near the oval office

4:39

loses fearless she

4:41

never back down from the site there

4:43

is nothing more important she will ever do the

4:46

lady effort to make sure donald trump

4:49

is never again your the oval office

4:51

and , will succeed i

4:54

am dick cheney dick proudly voted for my

4:56

daughter i hope you will do

4:58

i'm when cheney and i approve this message

5:02

then she says been completely open

5:05

about the fact that seed doesn't support

5:07

donald trump's some of these impeachment republicans

5:10

have tried to say well i support

5:12

his policies but you know

5:14

encouraging people to march to the cap on january

5:16

six is outta line not seen

5:19

he doesn't say that she says trump

5:21

has got to go he is

5:23

absolutely the wrong direction

5:25

for the republican party but

5:27

republican party doesn't agree

5:29

and it through my part of that strategy

5:32

was also relying on

5:35

independence and in some cases democrats

5:37

to register as republicans in

5:39

wyoming and vote for her in the primary

5:41

in her sort of like open acknowledgement

5:44

that republicans who like trump

5:46

we're just not going to vote for her no

5:48

matter what suit do we know

5:50

if that strategy had

5:52

any impact i mean obviously it didn't work

5:55

and actually getting her we elected beds was

5:57

there this like upsurge of of

6:00

on republicans who tried

6:02

to register as republicans to help

6:04

her

6:04

no it doesn't seem like it at all i

6:07

can certainly there were some i in

6:10

on and the postpartum who is with

6:12

cheney and is his last couple days

6:14

in wyoming noted that there was this program

6:16

this program who are newfound

6:19

cheney supporters add her

6:21

concession parody as supporting her

6:23

and voting for polling places and talking

6:26

to reporters about it even hosting her their

6:28

homes that a small groups

6:30

is it was not enough it like in

6:32

the tens of thousands of range is

6:34

what would have been needed most likely

6:37

to try to help the

6:39

port cheney keeper an office and

6:41

send a message to republicans

6:43

that someone like cheney deserves

6:45

to say it off as it was not nearly enough

6:48

and and i think that underscores that there is

6:51

right now no political

6:53

hot or something like was sammy

6:56

yeah i wonder if that

6:58

like like what is the message

7:00

, as being sent here for other

7:02

republicans i mean is this a confirmation

7:05

that you're either with trump

7:07

or you're against trump and if you are against trump

7:09

that you will not be reelected

7:12

i think that's a very strong possibility

7:15

i've been tracking the ,

7:17

house republicans voted to impeach trump

7:20

after january six which is a lot

7:22

of very high number of you that

7:24

the the history of impeachment and

7:26

for have retired for said i'm not even

7:28

gonna try six

7:30

decide to run for reelection reelection

7:33

so far good incentive for them have lost

7:35

their primaries and the only

7:37

two other to who made it through their primary

7:39

so far we're in this kind of

7:42

weird all party primary

7:44

where you'd sam's regardless

7:47

the who else is in

7:49

the primary regardless of party is so that means

7:51

they had she gets his movies since

7:53

they come in first so

7:55

i think that it it does underscore

7:58

yet again i keep saying this is

7:59

the that

8:01

republicans who who want

8:03

to post trump don't

8:05

have a home in office and it's really

8:08

been this way since the beginning

8:10

of trump's administration i remember

8:12

just flake us senator from arizona

8:14

gave this since he swam out

8:17

speeds on the another florida senate

8:19

and said i i can't be

8:21

can't part of this party anymore and so

8:23

i know that's gonna cost me my seat

8:25

i have children and grandchildren to

8:27

answer to so mr president

8:30

i will not be complicit for solid

8:33

that is i'm announcing

8:36

today that my service in the senate will conclude

8:38

at the end of my term in early january

8:41

twenty nineteen

8:42

bob corker of tennessee retired

8:45

after describing the something ministration

8:47

as a banana

8:48

republicans not a good place for any party

8:50

them to end up with a cult

8:52

like situation as it relates

8:55

to to

8:57

to a president that

9:00

happens to be of purportedly

9:02

of the of the same party and on

9:04

and on and on and here we are

9:06

several years later trump

9:08

as of and is well embedded in the republican

9:11

party and i think my

9:13

colleague aaron blake said it best

9:15

in his take away the primaries that as

9:18

trump feel like the walls are closing

9:20

in on him legally to any number

9:22

of investigations and and they certainly are

9:24

by what we can see publicly he should

9:26

take comfort in the fact that voters

9:29

are still with him and his primary

9:32

the

9:34

i also wanna talk a little bit about nice

9:36

challenger harriet hey man he

9:38

was experiencing kind of the flip side

9:40

of this right like us a person

9:43

who is benefiting even though she's nothing

9:45

comment because see is so

9:47

i'm in line with former

9:49

president trump suit tommy a little bit

9:51

about her and also that

9:53

her chances of actually winning in

9:56

the general election in november

10:28

the woman who ousted lives same

10:30

he sees a former lawyer

10:33

and see has had her

10:35

own evolution on trump cease to support

10:37

cheney and in two thousand and sixteen

10:40

she was one of the many many republicans

10:42

in the party who call them racist and xenophobic

10:46

clearly she's changed her mind

10:48

and that has boosted her to winning

10:50

this primary and harry and hickman

10:52

will almost certainly be the next

10:54

member of congress from wyoming from wyoming

10:57

one of least populated states the nation and

10:59

so it only has

11:00

one congressional seat and we just

11:03

talked about how does a very proche

11:05

had say very republican states

11:07

if you win the republican primary in wyoming

11:10

for the house

11:11

you are almost certainly the next member of congress

11:13

and so it is

11:13

a drastic

11:16

hey

11:17

for the wyoming delegation for

11:20

wyoming voters to be

11:22

represented by a woman i

11:24

carried hagerman super pro trump

11:26

willing to say that the election was rigged

11:28

false compared to liz cheney

11:31

where they previously had one

11:33

of the biggest critics sutra

11:35

i wonder

11:36

what you think is in store

11:39

for congresswoman cheney

11:41

in the seats are i've heard people talk

11:43

about the prospect of her

11:45

running for president which i

11:48

can see how she has cut a

11:50

very large figure in the last two years

11:53

and has i think and to lot of people

11:55

on her profile has been raised

11:57

because he has been this kind of forceful

11:59

part the republican party i standing up

12:01

against trump but at the same time i mean i think

12:04

it's skinny been winning an election

12:06

as a republican in wyoming like of her to understand

12:09

what elections he would win for she

12:11

wouldn't run into the same problem so what

12:13

it would he use the for her what is your sense

12:15

of what see is eyeing for the future

12:18

i think of the very smart point maintain

12:20

have seen took that leap and ran for president

12:22

and she's really hinting that she's thinking

12:25

about it cheney would not

12:27

be expecting to win it

12:29

, she's very clear eyed about that

12:32

that kane has reported that cheney is

12:34

among this group of never trump republicans

12:36

are anti trump republicans who thinks

12:39

that the party need to twenty twenties or candidate

12:41

whose it's gonna try to take him down

12:44

in some way it's risky

12:46

for a d d risks splitting

12:49

in the anti the voters

12:51

and and giving trump the nomination and twenty

12:53

twenty four it's risky bet but cheney

12:55

really feels like they need

12:57

someone feels like national they'd who is willing

13:00

to speak eloquently and forcefully

13:03

about the fact that the election was not stolen

13:05

and the republican party is moving

13:07

in a very anti democratic direction

13:11

then see is seems to

13:13

be strongly considering that person

13:16

to be her yeah but i mean it it's

13:18

i can see the rationale

13:20

right as i'm wanting

13:22

to be the person who challenges

13:24

trump's but when see have

13:26

any chance of actually winning

13:29

and a twenty twenty four primary

13:31

no not at all absolutely not as you point

13:33

out she can't win in a in a republican

13:36

say the congressional see no no she

13:38

would not be trying to win the twenty

13:40

twenty four primary she would just be this

13:43

candidate or source maybe she would support

13:46

then advise another candidate

13:48

to just gonna be the anti trump foil

13:50

to just rise just rise be

13:52

do whatever it takes to keep donald trump out

13:54

of the oval ah well i know eaten say yes or no

13:57

and that's

13:57

if you're thinking about it but are you thinking

13:59

about it the thinking about running for president

14:03

in that that's a decision that i'm going to make

14:05

in there in the coming months at a at i'm not gonna make

14:07

any now since here this morning but there

14:09

but it is something that i'm thinking about know

14:11

make a decision now in the coming months let's

14:13

go back said i see i think that this

14:16

group of republican says like a desert

14:18

release for the history books they have to try

14:21

steer the republican party another direction

14:23

or to give voters another option or

14:26

, very least it is so that

14:29

there are some donors willing to put money

14:31

behind them behind support of

14:33

i keep saying try cause it's potentially

14:35

see tell us or owing the republican

14:38

the back from the direction

14:40

it's going in super , about

14:42

the role that liz cheney has had

14:44

in the republican party especially

14:47

since january six and that she is kind of one

14:49

of these last stalwarts of know we

14:51

will not tolerate trump's i mean what

14:54

does this mean for the republican party going for

14:56

that they will not have a

14:58

list cheney in their midst ever

15:00

gonna or thinks it's gonna be easier for them

15:02

or i don't know

15:05

i think in in one sense of your house republican

15:07

leader kevin mccarthy things are a lot easier

15:10

you don't have someone like was seine

15:12

going on national tv in a primetime

15:14

congressional hearings saying your

15:16

dishonor will remain

15:20

the night i say this to my

15:22

republican colleagues who are defending

15:24

the indefensible it will

15:27

come a day when donald trump is gone

15:29

that you are just honor will remain

15:32

having said this also means that house republicans

15:35

have made their decision they're all

15:38

in with president trump and

15:40

we saw last week after the

15:42

f b i searched mara lago for classified

15:44

top secret documents ended up signing how

15:47

awkward that can be for republicans what

15:50

was on the

15:50

what would you really do and what were you looking

15:52

for why not thought the president trump

15:54

having give the information your app republicans

15:56

immediately jumped on the up be eyes for

15:59

jump

15:59

the gone and it was the really evidence

16:02

together what there was none and

16:04

the search study senior justify

16:07

eat or is it floor

16:08

about the f b i would open up

16:10

an investigation of donald trump

16:12

without merit hell yeah they've done

16:14

it before

16:18

and and now you have some republicans backing

16:21

off against sat and so

16:23

the republicans are right back where they

16:25

started i think when trend

16:27

first ran for office it got the nomination

16:29

witches they're all in on supporting

16:32

trump and sometimes that means some really

16:34

awkward to sept the answers away

16:36

from him as he gets

16:39

deeper and deeper ceci this time insight into

16:41

what could be pretty serious legal trouble in

16:43

several states and to federal

16:45

investigation

16:47

i'm also curious about what this means for house

16:49

democrats i don't know how

16:51

much they were partnering with liz cheney on

16:53

things outside of and

16:55

things like the january sixth hearings pets

16:58

does it feel like democrats are losing

17:01

and important ally in in

17:03

this kind of continued attempt to stand up to trim

17:06

i think it does the list seine

17:08

even though she lost her primary in

17:10

august see will still serve it doesn't

17:13

you're a when her term is over

17:14

so the january six comey

17:17

had a deadline on a the has a couple months

17:19

before it loses this really prominent member

17:21

and it's other republican adam kids under

17:24

whose retiring his or

17:25

the gun from illinois

17:26

today we have a couple months before they're

17:28

no longer technically a bipartisan committee

17:31

that being said though he knew they had this timeline

17:33

in jail

17:34

for a because

17:36

the as it does seem likely

17:38

house republicans take back control the house

17:40

kevin mccarthy has said that he'd probably

17:43

the band or at the fairly sidelined

17:46

the scenery six congressional committee it's not

17:48

something republicans wanna look into that

17:50

being said outside of january six

17:53

i'm not aware of how much

17:55

if at all democrats worse

17:57

with liz cheney liz mean let's remember he

18:00

opposes abortion rights

18:02

see supports gun rights opposes

18:05

any kind of gun control she's really really

18:07

conservative before this whole

18:10

thing happened trump is i'm completely change

18:12

her trajectory and her future

18:14

see was on track potentially

18:17

to be the next house republican speaker

18:19

and and tried to be the for whatever democratic

18:22

president

18:23

democrats had at the time

18:25

that know the case anymore

18:29

after the break we talk about the election

18:31

and alaska us and how

18:33

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18:35

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18:46

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18:48

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18:50

and a freelance journalist disappeared

18:53

in syria doing the job he loves

18:55

he is now spent a quarter

18:57

as his life in captivity

19:00

we urge

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19:17

the amber we have been talking about the downfall

19:19

of candidates who have stood up to

19:21

former president donald trump's but then

19:24

you have lisa murkowski of alaska who

19:26

advance in her primary despite

19:28

the fact that she voted to convict trump

19:30

for his role in january sixth why

19:33

is her feet playing out differently than

19:35

what we saw ah happened to list

19:37

training

19:38

i think they're couple reasons

19:40

lisa

19:40

murkowski looks much

19:43

more likely to come back to

19:45

congress unless seine who's clearly why

19:48

to drop in congress i'm at one

19:50

of them is alaska's just a different state

19:53

than wyoming it's got a the

19:55

independence streak it's not quite

19:57

as in line with the republican party

19:59

the other that lisa murkowski

20:02

has been a senator who has cultivated

20:04

highs among democrats and independents

20:07

into dozens and she want to write in i

20:10

campaign after losing to a right wing challenge

20:12

or because she had so many people

20:14

who supported her liz cheney tried that

20:16

a little bit as we talked about and it didn't work for

20:18

her and , finally lisa murkowski

20:21

had the support and backing of senate

20:23

republicans who wanted to protect

20:25

their incumbent senator senator

20:28

the fact that trump had boosted a pro trump

20:30

challenger against lisa murkowski senate

20:33

republicans didn't do it house republicans

20:35

said and completely switched over

20:37

to the trump back supporters thirty

20:39

lisa murkowski a lot of

20:42

wiggle room more southern liz cheney

20:45

and , i just asked that the reason why

20:47

senate republic

20:47

can more so supportive of murkowski

20:50

was that just because they are worried that

20:52

if she were to be primary by

20:55

a more extreme more conservative person

20:57

that they would maybe lose it seats

20:59

and continue to not have control of the senate

21:02

yeah i think that's my the primary reasons

21:05

mitch mcconnell and g p

21:07

senate leaders believe that incumbents

21:10

are more likely to win reelection

21:12

then a newcomer saucy aussi

21:15

incumbency of a newcomer who

21:17

is is this untested figure and

21:19

by and and that can be dangerous

21:22

to try to lose the senate seats and

21:24

then in addition to that senate

21:26

republicans in general

21:28

are just less pro

21:31

trump in pro

21:33

the election was stolen and twenty twenty

21:35

that house republicans have become that

21:37

says there's a completely different

21:39

culture between the two chain

21:40

there's interesting so

21:43

what does that mean for november i

21:45

mean world murkowski be able

21:47

to win and

21:49

if he month

21:50

the big cats for mikulski will be november

21:53

rather than in the primary

21:55

and that's because alaska voters recently

21:58

approved it at change couple changes

22:00

the how they vote and one of them is that

22:03

the to advance

22:05

the general lox and regardless of

22:07

their party and so that means it

22:09

will be lisa murkowski in or trump backed

22:11

rival in november again

22:14

it's not like you choose republican and democrat

22:16

the face off against each other in

22:18

addition to that you rank your choices

22:21

and that is that

22:23

relatively new and growing phenomenon

22:25

and american democracy american wayne

22:28

how this ranked choice voting works

22:30

in alaska in and why they're doing it

22:33

so , in ranked choice voting in the way it

22:35

worked in alaska's that voters rink

22:37

their top choices one two three four four

22:40

of their first choice gets knocked out their

22:43

votes or redistributed their second choice

22:45

votes go to someone who still ends

22:47

until someone wins the majority and on and on

22:50

this method tends to reward politicians

22:52

with a wide appeal rather than a narrow

22:55

one maybe someone like murkowski

22:57

who has independence and democrats who might not

22:59

records burst but is so

23:01

lighter enough to rigors second or third whereas

23:04

in their death that rincon trump's republican

23:07

back to supporter so all that

23:09

means as murkowski

23:11

has the shot was see november

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to win reelection

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and i'm just curious why do a lot

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i choose to put this new system

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in place at ranked choice voting renters

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is is growing popular

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way to haven't changed democracy

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the idea is that you

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get to

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not one candidate

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you don't have to sell suck and as binary

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choice a or b and

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, think after the two thousand and sixteen presidential

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election when a lot of voters reported

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feeling i don't like hillary clinton anna like

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donald trump's it grew in popularity

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main picked up a seat

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again away on the far

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side of the united states

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that has states that the

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then sake alaska picked

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the that the new york city

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use it for their recent mayoral race

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others know half a dozen

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if not more other cities in america that

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are using this and democracy

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activists i've talked to who support the say this

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is a really good way to

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canada take the partisan bite out

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of primaries that's the has

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to be candidate cool

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republicans like and some democrats

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or independents like as well it

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even forces you to campaign for

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your opponent's supporters so you're

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trying to win over your opponent's supporters rather

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than just take down your opponent that

24:38

being said the knock against citizen is

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confusing mad it

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takes a while we probably won't know

24:44

the full results of of alaska's primaries

24:46

to the and as a months for example

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so well as yeah exactly takes

24:51

about a reallocate the votes to count

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the votes

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marketers else intensity a big see a

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people can mail in their votes and it can take a

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while to get to the polling places

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and so that there's that knock against that it's confusing

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it's don't see that's becoming the

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way americans vote nationally

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any time soon but there

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is this group of had an independent

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the who who are

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trying this out and

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so far voters seem

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to like

25:21

arrested after a couple election cycles

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and mean when they got used to

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interesting

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i'm

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before we finished talking about alaska

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i do when and talk about sarah palin

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so she is trying to make her political

25:36

comeback com obviously says

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former alaska governor and vice presidential

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candidate i'm see it's running

25:42

to be the congresswoman from

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alaska how did her race play

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out

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there was trying a pretty risky

25:50

comeback political

25:51

come back she was the former governor of

25:53

alaska course former vice presidential candidate

25:55

for the republican party

25:57

and then less the governorship

25:59

in the middle of her term and

26:02

took lotta heat from regular can

26:04

see phallic she just spent that intervening

26:06

time to be a celebrity bites with

26:09

this rare opportunity for alaska's

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one house seat opens the

26:13

first time and since two years she decided she wanted

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to try to go to congress

26:18

and we're still waiting

26:20

on results because alaska has the strength

26:22

voting system

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and i can take till the another month

26:25

figure out how voters rings their

26:27

candidates but

26:29

it is a possibility that sarah palin the biggest

26:32

name in alaska the biggest name

26:34

in a special absent does not make it

26:36

to congress on wednesday morning

26:38

was sixty percent of votes counted a democrat

26:40

mary pellets hola

26:42

the leading

26:43

over sarah palin and over

26:45

another republican and the primary nick

26:47

baggage what that means

26:51

we have to wait and see how did who who

26:53

ranks sarah palin seconds

26:56

right no canada has a majority of the vote so

26:58

now whoever ring sarah palin second

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those odds are gonna go to sarah palin

27:03

by are there more people

27:05

who ranked the democrat second

27:08

ah in give it is possible

27:12

that a democrat could take this house

27:14

seat the first time in nearly

27:16

fifty years which would certainly be a coup

27:18

for democrats and est ico basket and

27:20

would be a knock not only

27:22

on sarah palin and her brand names

27:25

but on president trump who endorsed or

27:27

that there is a limit to

27:30

trump's king making our queen

27:32

making power said

27:34

right but because this

27:36

is a special lox and will see sarah

27:38

palin on the ballot again in november

27:41

when alaska hogs yet another lesson

27:43

with the same candidates to try to

27:46

determine who goes to congress for the full two

27:48

years rather than just these couple intervening

27:50

months

27:54

amber thank you so much for explaining

27:56

all of this stuff really appreciated thank

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you for having me

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amber phillips race about politics to the post

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