Tune in to my conversation with Nathan Barry, founder and CEO of ConvertKit, the creator marketing platform.

During our conversation, you'll hear us walk through Nathan's entrepreneurial journey — from ebooks and iOS apps to ConvertKit. The majority of our chat, though, focuses on the period of time where ConvertKit was losing money, and Nathan's mental health took a nosedive. Nathan shares how he managed to survive that period and what he does now to take care of his mental health (and his team's, too!)

You can find Nathan on Twitter and his website, but you can also check out his past articles and podcast episodes here.