0:11

So. I'm Ryan

0:13

Lambert from Elite Prospects. I'm shy mag

0:15

new, the athletic, and folks I don't

0:18

know, have you heard about this? The

0:20

Arizona Coyotes are.me The Arizona Coyotes anymore.

0:23

They're. Gone away. For.

0:26

Now. Well. Get.

0:30

This is guess that's true. It.

0:33

Did is complete the wild how quickly this happened.

0:36

In. One week ago we were what

0:38

were we talking about? The the Mayor

0:41

had. Put. Out his yeah, do

0:43

that or gotten stale Mariam and

0:45

were like well that's. Yet

0:47

another chapter in the never

0:49

ending sega of Arizona coyotes

0:52

and. Seven.

0:54

Days later, The. Chat

0:56

is a good holiday landing and

0:58

and it is. There.

1:01

Are underweight? A Huge Are Not officially. Everybody

1:04

keeps. Updating

1:06

their stories does like there's very clearly somebody

1:09

at the legal keeps reaching out to people

1:11

saying this isn't. Done. Done. Stop saying

1:13

that it's completely done yellow. That's the guy

1:15

from the Coyote Air, the hurricane or me.

1:17

But it certainly sounds like it's. Done.

1:21

Enough that everyone is reporting

1:24

it and could. Become.

1:27

Official: As early as what tomorrow?

1:29

Thursday: For relatively right

1:31

and they want to play off start

1:33

Yes, So

1:36

let's let's back it up a little bit.

1:39

Because. As.

1:41

You said, there's a lot that. That.

1:44

Has happened in though in the

1:46

one week since the since we

1:49

last talked about this obviously. Ah,

1:52

I think it will. I think it

1:54

was Chris Johnson reported yesterday. That.

1:57

This real like the relocation ball

1:59

really started rolling a month or

2:01

two ago because Gary Bettman and

2:03

Bill Daley sat down with Alex

2:05

Rollo with Islands the Coyotes and

2:08

were like so in all the

2:10

we hate to bring this up

2:12

but. What? Have you

2:14

have to sell the team and and against moved and he

2:16

was like. Don't. Even bring it up.

2:18

I eat all day. It. Was it

2:20

was a testy meeting and then it got

2:23

a little less testy. When. They

2:25

said to him are. So. Can you

2:27

say for sure that you'll have a in

2:29

arena and everything ready to go? Locked him

2:31

in the next five years that he was

2:33

like when like I guess I can't say

2:35

that they're like okay so let's get the

2:37

ball rolling on this one yet does what

2:39

it sounds like and essentially they figured out

2:42

a way. To.

2:46

Move. The Team and get rid of

2:48

this guy with out. At.

2:50

Least in their mind, abandoning the market,

2:54

Or. Getting sued for getting the

2:56

zoo which is as a

2:58

closer to equally important such

3:00

as a general has some

3:02

ability to. Take

3:05

a team away from somebody against

3:07

their will put that obviously gets

3:09

into. Gets

3:12

into legal issues even no matter how

3:14

clear cut it is a you try

3:17

to take a billionaires toy away. Probably

3:20

get how that's gonna go. So instead

3:23

we have this somewhat unique situation where.

3:27

He has been promised. That.

3:30

If he can get the arena. In

3:33

the next five years, Did. He

3:35

gets and expand he gets first dibs. On

3:38

an expansion team back in Arizona. And.

3:43

This is not, I think it. basically.

3:45

Everyone who's reported on this has cautioned

3:47

that this isn't just like. They

3:50

will check back and five years you got an arena.

3:52

You get a team back. It's. More

3:54

along the lines of you

3:56

have to hit specific like

3:58

benchmarks or whatever. Want say over

4:00

the course of five years. To.

4:04

Be eligible to to get

4:06

this T M Ah and.

4:09

I think it was Elliott said. It's.

4:12

Not exactly a lot of optimism that

4:14

whatever those benchmarks are, they would be

4:16

on something he could hit like with

4:19

any degree of confidence over the course

4:21

and fire as a cynical view of

4:23

this would be. The

4:25

do not have the Nhl washing their

4:28

hands of this guy. In.

4:30

Such a way that. A

4:33

the game a chance. And

4:35

he can't come back and see You know

4:37

and like the Is did. this is the

4:39

they're setting up the framework for. A

4:43

defence of the and whether it's a la souter.

4:46

Pr. Whatever else to say like look we we

4:48

set the bar we told you what you needed to

4:50

do. You did

4:52

meet those criteria than. Than

4:56

they might. Maybe the guy won't really build

4:58

his little. Mini.

5:00

City. That.

5:02

Has no access to water or

5:04

whatever else the plan is. But

5:07

although I have heard that if he

5:09

if he's not ready to go this

5:12

whole water thing immortal Joe is gonna

5:14

be the next better. their ego. That's.

5:17

Good. Yeah. Real.

5:19

Real. Test.

5:21

The bidding process him versus The Bullet

5:24

Farmer though. I

5:26

can't remember when you watch it Now going

5:28

about for that's Mad Max Fury Road. Okay.

5:32

Well. Film Twenty Fifty a good one area are

5:34

an. Important job

5:36

the being bad guy. Can. Control

5:38

the water. He.

5:41

Might be the guy we need. To

5:45

look it. I mean if you want someone

5:47

is gonna rule with an iron fist in

5:49

and and we do that's really been who

5:51

I mean. The

5:53

Nhl has gotten into bed with worse people

5:55

that are more and deal with people as

5:57

well as. So I

5:59

mean. And

6:02

I guess we should also say that there's

6:04

nothing that I've seen that says that if

6:06

Alex Morello doesn't meet his

6:09

obligations, the

6:11

league can still come back to Arizona. Like

6:13

it really sounds like that is the plan. Five years

6:15

from now, Arizona's somethings

6:17

will return. It

6:21

sounds to me like also if you hook Gary Bevin

6:23

up to a lie detector and said, do you

6:26

want current ownership to be the

6:28

ones he'd say no. But

6:32

if Morello turns everything around,

6:35

gives them everything on a silver platter they want,

6:38

great. If

6:40

not, we thank him for his service.

6:45

Do we? I think

6:47

the main issue here

6:51

that we should talk about with regard

6:53

to basically the Coyotes

6:56

becoming an expansion team in

6:59

the next five years is that

7:02

the price of the expansion

7:05

team will be the same price

7:07

as what he is

7:09

paid for. The

7:14

Coyotes, whatever you

7:16

want at 1.0 or whatever you want

7:18

to call them in the

7:21

next few days, which

7:23

is untethered from whatever the

7:26

other expansion fees are. So

7:29

like if in the next five years, Atlanta

7:31

gets an expansion team and the Coyotes somehow

7:34

pull this off and get the

7:36

team back, that

7:39

$1 billion, that's only Coyotes dollars.

7:42

That's different from Atlanta would probably

7:44

have to pay more

7:46

than a billion dollars for an expansion

7:48

team, which is crazy given how much

7:50

even like Seattle cost. Yep.

7:57

But yeah, it's interesting. Okay.

7:59

Let's talk about the deal

8:02

itself, the sale

8:04

to Ryan Smith, not the guy from

8:06

the Oilers and the Islanders,

8:08

different guy. Basically,

8:13

the league is the

8:16

go-between for this. There's

8:19

no contact between the

8:24

Utah ownership and coyote's

8:26

ownership. That's right.

8:29

Which again, just doesn't make it sound like

8:31

the most harmonious parting

8:34

of the ways here, but how she

8:36

goes. A

8:38

billion for the team, another,

8:41

I've seen both 200 and 300 million. 300

8:46

seemed to be the first number

8:48

reported and then it's been

8:50

nudged down in more recent

8:52

reports. Right. And

8:54

that just goes to the owners as what's

8:56

called a relocation fee. And

9:02

whatever the number is divided 31 ways,

9:04

that's how much every owner gets. And

9:08

it's not related to the hockey related

9:10

revenue. It's not hockey related revenue. Somehow

9:14

they got that put in the... The player

9:16

spent 20 years having their slice of the

9:19

revenue shoved down

9:21

by the Arizona market

9:24

not working. And

9:27

now finally that it's being resolved, all that

9:29

money is going right to the owners. Well

9:31

so you say all that money. I

9:33

really wonder about this. How

9:36

much money over the last, let's say

9:38

20 years, do you

9:40

think the coyotes have lost? I

9:43

bet it's over 200 million. Probably.

9:46

Yeah. Yeah. So

9:49

with revenue sharing and all that.

9:51

As with all sports, that's

9:54

before you factor in the

9:56

increased cost of the team. Yeah.

9:59

Sure. I too

10:01

would like to lose money for 20 years and then Get

10:06

three times what I paid for something at the end of it

10:10

Feels like a pretty good business model. Oh, I well,

10:12

I mean he wasn't on the hook for all that

10:14

Oh, it wasn't for all that time,

10:16

right? So when did he buy the team 2018? Wasn't

10:19

that long ago and yeah, he's making a

10:21

lot of money off of this So he

10:23

really is and you know, I've seen a

10:25

lot of guys win again It's just when

10:28

you just like to see good things happen

10:30

to good people. Mm-hmm. That's exactly right. That's

10:32

exactly it When

10:36

you when you think about it, I guess

10:39

like I Think

10:43

it's always been kind of framed as like the

10:46

coyotes are Almost

10:50

like a loss leader for for

10:54

The Morello business organization,

10:56

right? And

11:01

So I wonder how much money he's

11:03

lost in total on owning the coyotes

11:05

like as part of the bigger picture

11:07

of You know, it allows him

11:10

to operate a sportsbook or whatever the the deal is

11:12

there But

11:14

I've been thinking about this a lot lately because

11:16

you always hear about well the NHL can't leave

11:18

that market permanently because like

11:21

it produced Austin Matthews and

11:24

Matthew Nyes and and all

11:26

you know one or two other guys that you've probably

11:28

heard of we're currently counting Josh don't know is a

11:31

Yeah Which yeah

11:35

I'm not I'm not diminishing him as a player,

11:37

but it's like he he was developed there because

11:40

Like his dad literally played for the coyotes.

11:42

I'm not sure that really yeah, that's like

11:44

me Like

11:46

the software company that employed my dad in the

11:49

80s being like an

11:51

all RL, you know That's a

11:53

product of our our whole thing But

11:57

let me ask you this there has to be

11:59

a number here where

12:01

it's like the amount of money

12:03

that Austin Matthews is worth

12:06

to the league, to

12:08

the team that employs

12:10

whatever team employs him at any given

12:13

moment, to his the

12:17

people who use him to advertise to himself

12:19

that kind of thing. There has

12:21

to be a dollar figure that Austin

12:23

Matthews can reach where

12:26

you can say 25 years

12:29

in the desert it was all

12:31

worth it because Austin Matthews made up that

12:33

difference by himself. I

12:35

don't think he can reach that

12:37

number but there has to be

12:40

a number you know

12:42

what I mean? It's weird

12:44

man you always hear about what a great

12:46

market Arizona is just as far as it's

12:48

what the fifth biggest TV market? Something like

12:50

that fifth or sixth yeah. And yet counting

12:55

the Coyotes every

12:57

all the big four sports have teams

13:00

in that area. And

13:02

yet like I don't

13:06

know basketball I guess I don't

13:08

know but like they're like a

13:10

smallish kind of forgotten

13:12

team in like every league. Like

13:15

the Arizona Cardinals are not a

13:17

team anyone he particularly thinks about very much.

13:20

They go to a Super Bowl a few

13:22

years ago the Diamondbacks you know

13:24

when they're good sure. I

13:26

mean they won that World Series in 2002. That

13:29

was a long time ago. Oh

13:31

what beat the Yankees. Oh right that's

13:33

right yeah exactly yeah. And you know

13:35

we're good last year and but again

13:39

like not a team that you think about as

13:41

a big market team. Sure. Well

13:45

I mean look it's it doesn't

13:47

the NHL right they should it I

13:54

understand why they're going back and I understand

13:56

why they might feel like this never had a chance And

13:58

when the new. Arizona team which

14:00

I can. Buy. Have

14:03

gone on a limb and say will not

14:05

be called the Coyotes right shows up in

14:07

a few years. I We'll

14:09

see. See. How works?

14:12

Yeah. I'm if you get. If

14:15

you get the Golden Knights right out of

14:17

the gate it's gonna be is a huge

14:19

success. And if you get. What?

14:22

The Coyotes got right out of the gate. is

14:24

it'll fail? And the question is, how far to

14:26

one side or the other can it be before.

14:29

You reach a tipping point and we don't really

14:31

know what. that my right. Arm.

14:33

And and just for the record, the the

14:36

sons are pretty relevant in the N B

14:38

A these days. They

14:41

are. Not.

14:43

As good as they should be this season. Like

14:46

on paper, but they went to an M B

14:48

A finals a few years ago. I think the

14:50

bucks kind of killed them if I'm remembering right.

14:52

Ah, But. They are

14:55

like Kevin Durant's and and all these guys

14:57

so you know. Like. Name brand players

14:59

in that and think Thera. And

15:02

of course like that Charles Barkley era we

15:04

all of the sons back then didn't way

15:06

they got the gorilla. Did.

15:08

You had to disrupt. Is that

15:10

the realism Most iconic scenic son?

15:13

Yeah, probably a Zebra Barkley. Is

15:15

like more. He's more philly

15:17

guys any like. To be sincere

15:20

Jersey I mean. We're. Rocket See

15:22

is. He certainly had some success as well.

15:24

If I'm remembering right is our girl. Girl

15:27

and might be the most iconic

15:29

seven voters in. Arizona.

15:32

Him or Luiz Gonzalez is I was

15:35

gonna say rec Randy Johnson is he

15:37

up their new. World.

15:39

Series or Eddie Johnson. Yeah.

15:42

He fucking smoke that bird that one

15:44

year was he would the time the

15:46

exit when I think he was the

15:48

okay nectar think he was it's the

15:50

gorilla the bird decisions of bird screenwriter

15:52

and then. To be

15:54

determined. Yup. Learn. I. Might.

15:57

get on podium Right,

16:01

yeah, sure. That's a... how

16:03

I know he's good, that's a football guy I've heard of.

16:05

Yeah, there you go. What

16:11

else do we got to

16:13

talk about? Oh, yeah. So,

16:15

I might have mentioned this already, but

16:17

like, if

16:19

the coyote... when the coyotes move, Alex

16:23

Morello will retain the rights, the logos,

16:26

the name, all that kind of thing. To if

16:28

he brings the team back, he could just be

16:30

like, these are the coyotes, or he could not

16:32

do that, I guess. Yeah. Again, I can't imagine

16:35

just from a marketing perspective that they'll be called

16:37

the coyotes. Right. But they could

16:39

come in as the, you know,

16:42

whatever. Whatever you want to

16:44

call them, but still maintain,

16:46

like, you know, we've had the

16:49

running argument on this show about

16:51

like, are the Jets

16:53

the Jets and, you know, different other

16:55

stuff. But in this case, we

16:58

don't really need to have that because

17:00

the league seems to be making it

17:02

clear that

17:06

while the team, while all the hockey stuff

17:08

is moving from Arizona to Salt Lake, Salt

17:10

Lake is going to be treated as... it

17:13

sounds like a new franchise. Yeah. And

17:16

Arizona, the history

17:18

and everything stays in Arizona, at

17:20

least until... and there's

17:23

precedent for this, if it sounds confusing. The

17:26

NFL did this a few years ago, well, more than

17:28

a few years ago now, but when the

17:31

Cleveland Browns moved to

17:33

Baltimore, they

17:36

picked up, they moved everything. Every player,

17:38

every contract, most of the front

17:40

office coaches, et cetera, all

17:42

went from Cleveland to Baltimore. And yet

17:45

the Baltimore Ravens were considered an

17:47

expansion team. There was no

17:49

expansion draft, but they were considered an

17:52

expansion team. And then a few years later, when the

17:54

league came back to Cleveland, that

17:56

team just picked up the history and record

17:58

book and everything of... the old Browns.

18:01

Right. So I guess, I

18:03

guess technically what you would say is Ryan

18:08

Smith isn't paying a

18:10

billion dollars for the coyotes. He's paying

18:12

a billion dollars for the contracts

18:17

and every, like basically he's buying all the

18:19

deals that the coyotes sound like we're

18:21

going to have to do the stupid

18:23

thing where like on

18:26

opening night in salt

18:28

lake, we're like, well, you know, that the

18:30

salt lake, whatever record is held

18:32

by Timu Salani in 1992, like we're not

18:34

going to have to, to play

18:36

that game. Right. Now

18:39

the league can officially clarify that,

18:41

but at my point is

18:43

the precedent is there from the NFL.

18:45

No, I'm not aware of it happening

18:47

in baseball. I wouldn't know on basketball,

18:49

but yeah, in baseball, it

18:51

might've happened. Like whatever,

18:54

when like the Seattle pilots moved to

18:56

the twin cities or whatever. I

18:59

don't know. I straight up don't know the answer

19:01

to that. I don't think they were thinking about

19:03

it that way in 1958 or

19:05

whatever year that happened. You know what I mean? Like

19:07

it just, that's just one of those

19:10

things where it's like, yes, sports was different back then.

19:12

I don't know how else to put it to you.

19:14

You know? Um, yeah.

19:17

So what would technically happen in that case? And

19:19

again, this seems like it is what's going to

19:21

happen is that the coyotes, like

19:24

the, uh, like the ice cream

19:26

machine at your local McDonald's would just be

19:28

clear, be declared an out

19:31

of service franchise. Okay. Yep.

19:34

You know what I mean? Oh, it's out of service.

19:36

It's the fucking escalator at the mall. Coyotes

19:41

temporarily stairs or whatever. But,

19:43

um, exactly it. But

19:48

if that sounds stupid, don't worry. It's because it

19:50

is. It's

19:53

very dumb in my opinion to, to do it that

19:55

way, but again, you're just trying not to get sued,

19:57

you know? So I get it. Well, and also, I mean.

20:01

If. It you

20:03

know is that what's unusual but the

20:05

situation is. obviously the Nhl has left

20:07

markets and come back. In. The

20:10

past we've seen it in. When. A

20:12

pig's. We'd. Seen it in

20:14

Minnesota, Calgary, Or Atlanta

20:16

around and and we might see it again

20:18

for third time. But what's unusual here is

20:21

like even when the North's are left Minnesota

20:23

almost immediately ever was like Minnesota's going to

20:25

get a T back at some he obviously

20:27

soon as when a big leagues. Almost

20:30

immediately the work begins. Have had a week at a

20:32

we said stage for this. Come back

20:34

at some point, but in this case the

20:36

league is actually carving it out, saying we

20:38

have a plan in place to bring a

20:41

team back. So.

20:43

Yeah I don't mind them saying like in a way

20:46

to you will inherit the his like. It'll

20:49

visit. When that

20:51

new Arizona team comes in.

20:55

Like. All those that fan

20:57

base. Of

21:00

anyone. Who's an establishment? You're going to be

21:02

Toadies fans. So sure to

21:05

come in and be like this is brand new

21:07

danger your team is actually. Over. There

21:09

you know that that's seen. Don't never played

21:11

for this de say don't played for Salt

21:13

Lake like get here like that's less list.

21:15

Again like I would say talk to fans

21:17

the way the fans talk to each other.

21:20

It'll be. says.

21:22

You know did the same history and everything a

21:24

get they will probably not a big maybe they

21:26

do call it the coyotes. maybe they by then

21:28

final that what I was in the red arrow.

21:30

whatever. if you. If you call

21:32

them at whatever the sheila monsters I'm

21:35

just trying to think of local whom

21:37

animals if you call them the heel

21:39

a monsters right? Your.

21:41

Light. or of course we used to

21:43

be the Coyotes and it's like did

21:46

you really well known off personally? No

21:48

not awesome but like a team that

21:50

was here with was the same name

21:52

like then you're just getting into like

21:54

fucking branding or whatever and it's maybe

21:56

some. I don't say let's go branding.

21:59

Personally, And.

22:01

On. Thanks. Ah

22:03

yeah, it's it's. really weird.

22:05

The other thing. That.

22:08

Is happening with this which is. As.

22:11

I think it was P. Blackburn reporters

22:13

repeatedly called this just like kicking coyote

22:15

sands in the balls And I think

22:17

that's about right Is that the rumor

22:20

right now is. The.

22:22

Coyotes current Hl team.

22:26

Which. Was still owned by Alex Morello.

22:28

It a in this scenario. Would.

22:31

Just like move into Mullet Arena. Move from

22:33

Tucson, demolish. And.

22:37

His legs. Look, I understand you've

22:39

been making us watch Hey Joe hockey for

22:41

the last few years. That's. Fine.

22:43

You don't have to rub it might in

22:45

my face. You know what I mean, that's

22:47

that's just a step too far from like

22:49

and look a. Apparently this is

22:51

in part so that they can like.

22:55

Still, Have like that continuity of

22:57

hockey staff in the area and that

22:59

kind of saying oh I we should

23:01

say are all the hockey people will

23:03

move with the franchise or you know

23:06

are a number of the hockey people

23:08

will move with the franchise but the

23:10

business ops people. You're

23:12

outta luck and So which they apparently

23:15

learned on twitter. Yeah.

23:17

I guess we we should talk about them the

23:20

second to. but. Ah,

23:22

I'm so part of the idea

23:25

of moving the road runners to

23:27

Phoenix. Or Tempe, Az

23:29

the case may be ah would be

23:31

to help at least some of those

23:33

like Hawk Our business side people keep

23:35

their jobs. know what that says? What

23:38

The business side people in Tucson that

23:40

you know? Oops. Tough

23:42

luck I guess. But ah my, you're olds

23:44

as you know you wanna keep. Hockey

23:47

fans in the I mean you don't Like

23:49

I said, it's like a annuity science. Yeah,

23:51

five years from now. Show up, be like

23:53

he gets to like hockey right? Maryland? Well

23:55

no actually we're not and watch. Now That's

23:57

not to say that. You.

23:59

know fun If I'm a diehard coyotes fan

24:01

and they're out there like this team was

24:03

there for 30 years man. Yeah, like We

24:06

talk about it as a new team But there's lots

24:09

and lots of fans who've had that moved in

24:11

96 how many how many

24:13

NHL players? Are in

24:16

the league and have been different that are

24:18

that are younger than when? You

24:22

know, we're born after the coyotes moved

24:24

to Arizona. It's gonna be a huge

24:26

all the good ones according to you So

24:29

absolutely true. It's like

24:31

Sidney Crosby gets the gets the special dispensation,

24:33

but everybody else I don't think so So

24:36

yeah, I get you know, I I don't

24:38

think You

24:41

know your head you're seeing your team ripped away it's

24:44

it's a pretty small consolation prize to

24:46

say that you're gonna have the ahl

24:48

especially the ahl of of

24:52

Your former team. Well, and that's the

24:54

other thing is apparently there is no

24:57

agreement in place for them to continue

24:59

being the ahl team So like you

25:01

would get the Roadrunners or whatever the

25:03

branding is But you might

25:05

not get the players That's

25:08

fun Yeah, I don't even

25:10

know what would be bit like do I want to

25:12

see like some prospect come through at 19 and

25:15

playing the agent? Tear it up be

25:17

like this guy's awesome. Can't wait till

25:19

he goes to Live

25:21

with my ex in Utah. That's right.

25:23

Yeah No,

25:26

I know it's like that like like Pete said

25:29

it's just kicking them square in the balls me

25:31

like you like this shit, right? Well,

25:34

I don't know. I think

25:36

maybe the big kick is

25:39

is better than the constant

25:42

daily conflicts we've been giving them for

25:44

20 straight years like yeah

25:48

Can I say this by the way is? You

25:51

know when when it started to look like this

25:53

was happening one of the big things you saw

25:55

everybody on Twitter saying this is About the fans

25:58

is like I feel so bad for

26:00

coyotes fans. Oh I

26:03

feel so bad for them you gotta feel for them

26:06

and it's like you spent and I'm

26:08

certainly including myself in this group you spent

26:10

how much of the last five or six

26:12

years going we gotta get this fucking team

26:14

out of there this is a joke man

26:17

you can't you

26:20

are part of you were part of the

26:22

reason that like all the you know what

26:24

I mean like to be like oh I

26:27

just I know I just spent five years saying

26:29

how stupid this is and like like yeah you

26:31

can feel bad for the fans but like. But

26:33

they're not moving the team because like the

26:36

fact that people recognized God

26:39

the writing has been on the wall for a

26:41

decade at least

26:44

like I'm I

26:47

don't think the fact that people recognize

26:49

that is necessarily should

26:52

prevent you from saying and also it sucks

26:54

that the fans got strung along. It does

26:56

it's not a good owner and right yeah

26:58

sure it does but again it's just

27:00

all these people that were like this

27:03

is a fucking joke. That's

27:06

pathetic that how do they let this

27:08

guy own an NHL team and all

27:10

that oh the fans I feel

27:12

so bad for that like again yeah

27:14

you're right that you're there just commenting

27:17

on. What

27:19

a bad state of affairs it is

27:21

sure of course. But

27:24

like I don't know man to. Like

27:28

you don't think those fans were looking at that being

27:30

like look you know we care

27:32

please stop making fun of us yeah.

27:35

You know now you get all the empathy

27:37

in the world again like not that

27:40

and I feel like this is something that a lot

27:42

of people myself included probably

27:44

bent over backwards to make the point maybe

27:48

beyond where need to be

27:50

made was you know you

27:52

could say that the

27:56

fans in Arizona the diehards

27:58

were great loyal fans while

28:00

also acknowledging that there just

28:03

weren't enough of them. Yeah, there were 35 of them.

28:06

That's exactly right. So, you

28:08

know, beyond that, I don't like, I

28:11

feel terrible for those fans, but

28:14

also, um, I

28:18

just, there wasn't a scenario where it

28:21

was going to work long-term.

28:23

I don't, I

28:26

will say this. Like you,

28:29

you'd mentioned the hockey ops is

28:31

moving over now, obviously with

28:33

a new owner,

28:36

he's may

28:38

want his own people in different

28:40

roles. Um, so

28:42

when we, you know, we don't know contract situations and that

28:45

sort of thing. But, um,

28:48

as far as, uh, Bill

28:51

Armstrong, yeah. Yeah. If

28:54

he doesn't stick around, boy,

28:58

Ryan Smith should cut him a check on the way out the

29:00

door as

29:02

a thank you, because holy smokes. Are they

29:04

ever getting a team that

29:06

is absolutely ideally

29:08

set up for a

29:12

clean slate? Like, this is

29:14

much better than an expansion team because

29:16

the cap is clean. The

29:19

only guys signed up long-term really

29:21

are good young

29:23

players and they've got a million draft

29:25

picks. Like Bill Armstrong intentionally

29:28

or otherwise set this up absolutely perfectly

29:30

for a new owner in a new

29:32

market. Right. Like

29:34

it was intentional, but not for the, it

29:37

was intentional for like the last owner, you know?

29:40

Um, he, what

29:42

do they have? Oh my God. They have 10 second

29:45

round draft picks in the next three

29:47

drafts. Yep. Wow,

29:50

man. Um, and

29:53

like you say, they don't really, they can

29:55

use to draft guys or they can use

29:57

the trade number, which yeah. Imagine

30:00

would be the better scenario.

30:03

I was just going to say that it looks like they're

30:05

going to have like 40 plus million

30:07

in cap space and

30:11

I don't know that like the names that

30:14

are going to be free unrestricted free agents

30:16

this summer like I don't know that they're

30:18

going to necessarily be like the most impactful

30:20

players but there are a lot of brand

30:22

name players I would say. You

30:25

know your your steven stamp coasters i

30:28

don't know how much it cost to sign steven

30:30

stamp coast but like you could

30:32

go get sam reinhardt record fifty plus closest

30:34

here you know. Jake

30:37

gensles available you know like you can go

30:39

down the list like there are guys who

30:41

would like that's a guy i've heard of

30:43

like that the you know maybe not the

30:45

casual sports and but certainly like the casual

30:47

hockey fan is like yeah i know i

30:49

know steven stamp course. And

30:55

you know if the whole thing with steven

30:58

stamp coast and in tampa is like he wants

31:00

to play center in the lightning or

31:02

like i don't know bud. You

31:04

know you can probably play center is on the team

31:06

with like eight players on the roster right now. What's

31:10

the key key bar situation in utah

31:13

i'm gonna get not good

31:15

reputationally speaking okay. My

31:17

assumption is it's not as good as you'd

31:20

probably like it to be got you if

31:22

you're an enthusiast disappointing yeah you can't win

31:24

them all you know. But

31:28

yeah i mean this is the this

31:30

is going to be the fun thing about being

31:32

a. Assault lake coyote

31:35

fan or whatever they're going to be

31:37

called. Is

31:39

that like they come in with a relatively

31:41

clean slate and guys who even if you're

31:44

like yeah i'm not like

31:46

super invested in having alex kerfoot

31:48

on the roster long term. Well

31:50

he's only got one year left like the

31:53

number of guys signed beyond next season is

31:55

like four or five. And

31:58

again some of those guys are. Logan Cooley,

32:00

you know guys where you're like, I'm fucking

32:02

psyched to have this guy signed in You

32:05

know for another three or four years that sounds

32:08

sick to me But

32:14

The also that it's cool because this is a

32:16

this is an owner who is clearly gonna be

32:18

motivated to be like we're not like these Other

32:20

guys remember how bad those owners

32:22

were we're actually gonna spend an insane amount

32:24

of money on this team and like we're

32:27

gonna invest very heavily in them in a

32:29

way that previous ownership didn't like I Totally

32:33

get that coyotes Players

32:36

and staffers and whatever they're like fuck man. I

32:38

don't want to move to Salt Lake City Of

32:41

course what you know you signed up to be

32:43

in Phoenix You have a

32:45

life in Phoenix everybody that makes perfect sense that

32:47

you'd be like, I don't want to fucking go

32:49

although apparently they're gonna get compensated

32:52

for the move like above and beyond So

32:55

that's good, you know But

33:03

If you're if you're a player that's like locked in long

33:05

term and you don't really you know Maybe you could demand

33:07

a trade or whatever. But like if you're just like fuck,

33:09

I guess I'm moving to Salt Lake City At

33:13

least you can understand that the owner

33:15

is gonna be highly motivated to like

33:19

Invest in you and the organization in

33:21

a way that just was never gonna

33:23

happen in Phoenix or tempe If you've

33:25

ever worked for a crappy company That's

33:28

been bought Or

33:31

had like brand new management come in or even just

33:33

had like a crappy manager that everyone hates and then

33:35

they get rid of him And they bring in someone

33:37

new, you know that initially,

33:39

oh It's

33:42

all sunshine in yeah now

33:44

that sometimes lasts like a week,

33:46

but right Not

33:49

a bad place to be I guess at the very the

33:51

very beginning of things Yeah, right

33:54

and like obviously even Salt Lake City

33:56

is not ideal because You

33:59

know their basket their arena is a basketball

34:01

arena. And

34:03

it seats 11th. I

34:06

was so at the Frozen Four this past weekend, I

34:08

was sitting next to a kid

34:10

who covers B.C. And

34:14

he mentioned in passing that

34:17

he was from Utah. And I was like, what do you

34:19

think? He's like, people fucking love the Grizzlies there. They're

34:25

there. They were a huge deal. They

34:27

sold a lot of tickets. This

34:30

kid's probably like 20-ish. And

34:35

he's like, yeah, I went to games all the time growing up.

34:37

They were really fun. A

34:41

lot of people there all the time, that kind of thing. So

34:48

he is optimistic about the enthusiasm

34:51

in the market. But he's like, I've been to one of their two of

34:54

the NHL exhibition games that they've played there over the last year.

34:59

And those aren't good. It's

35:03

just not an arena can do – he's

35:05

like – what he said was, it's as

35:07

bad as Barclays or worse for

35:11

the fan experience. And it seats like

35:13

what? 11,000,

35:17

which – I mean, that's not

35:19

mullet, but also 11,000.

35:21

Have we had a building that small other than mullet in – No,

35:25

not even close. In

35:27

modern NHL history? No, the smallest

35:29

is – Winnipeg

35:32

is the lead in the small area right now. Right. And

35:35

for a while, it was the smallest by

35:37

a lot. And then it obviously got eclipsed

35:39

pretty hard. But yeah,

35:42

so again,

35:44

it's not ideal. But

35:51

I'm just going to crunch the numbers here real

35:53

quick. It seems like it's at least twice as

35:56

big as mullet arena. We'll

35:59

verify that. We'll get – Dom to run it through. Thank

36:01

you. But, um,

36:05

so like that, you know, if

36:08

that's their home for the next like

36:11

six or seven years, that's a problem,

36:13

but apparently Ryan Smith was like,

36:15

look, you know, I, we were planning to build a

36:17

new, uh, a new rank for the

36:19

Olympics, which I, I can't remember

36:21

what year though, like the 2036 Olympics

36:23

or something like that. Um,

36:27

feels like if they were already planning on

36:29

it, they could speed up that timeline and,

36:34

uh, you know, if they can get a

36:36

new rank open in four years instead of

36:38

eight, I

36:41

don't know how feasible that is, but like at

36:43

that point you're just like, okay, well, who gives

36:45

a shit that, you know, like it could be

36:47

a good market. Except to say that it's like

36:50

a third of the size of Phoenix or something

36:52

like that. Like,

36:54

you know, in terms of that, just the sheer

36:56

volume of people who live there. But

36:59

who knows. Interesting

37:04

times, man. Again, I

37:07

just, how quickly this all

37:09

came together, both as

37:12

a public story, like with the news breaking, I

37:14

mean, I don't think it was that long after

37:16

we recorded last week, but in a

37:18

week, how all this

37:20

has developed, but also the fact

37:22

that apparently according to CJ, it was like

37:24

a month ago that they sat down with

37:27

the guy and they pulled it all together. Like

37:29

I said, on Twitter, your team's GM doesn't think he

37:32

can trade a third line winger in four

37:34

months in the middle of the season because it's too

37:37

complicated. But we just work out a

37:39

multi-billion dollar. Franchise

37:42

move slash expansion side

37:44

deal. Gary

37:47

Betman gets things done, man. Can't

37:49

say he doesn't. And

37:54

you know what, like in

37:57

all fairness, man, like again, it's.

37:59

stinks for Arizona hockey fans, but man,

38:04

you can't say Gary Batman didn't try.

38:07

That is, that is ultimately the

38:09

thing. Like again, I feel

38:11

bad for all the fans. They re they

38:13

really, again,

38:15

they had like 30 plus years to build a

38:17

fan base and it didn't fucking work. No, I

38:20

don't blame the fans for that. I think

38:23

like you said, the series of horrible fucking

38:25

owners and like bad arena situations and all

38:27

that. It's like when a TV show with

38:29

lousy ratings gets canceled. You

38:32

can say like, I feel bad for the people who invested

38:34

in that story and they're not going to see how it

38:36

ends. That's, but also sort

38:39

of men like there, there weren't enough you, it

38:41

wasn't going to, you got three seasons of

38:43

arrested development out of this. And if we're being

38:45

honest, really only like the first one and a

38:47

half is all that good. Yeah. And

38:51

the coyotes got 28 seasons and

38:54

about one and a half of them were any good. That's

38:56

right. And I

38:58

guess the other thing we should say is

39:00

the, you know, we're talking about Batman

39:03

and daily and they went and met with

39:05

there's the real thing

39:08

that seemed to have nudged

39:10

this and got

39:12

the ball rolling down the Hill was Marty

39:14

Walsh. Yep. Apparently

39:18

noticing something that previous

39:21

owner leadership in the NHLPA had

39:23

not noticed, which is, Hey, this seems

39:25

to be a costing us a

39:27

bunch of money. And I'm guessing

39:29

also maybe some of the

39:32

players for the organization aren't

39:34

really thrilled. In

39:36

my opinion, it's, it hasn't been going great.

39:38

That's, that's what Marty Walsh said. And everybody's

39:40

like, huh? Is

39:43

that true? Yeah, it turns out it was. And

39:45

at some point having a

39:47

place with casinos and golf courses

39:50

that can also launders, salary cap

39:52

money turned out not to

39:54

be as beneficial to the players as millions

39:58

and millions of dollars in. potentially

40:00

lost revenue. Let

40:02

me ask you this. Someone asked us in the

40:05

mailbag, and I didn't include it, but it is

40:07

a good question, and you saying about laundering cap

40:10

dollars or whatever. Who

40:14

does that now? Who's

40:16

the new team that's like, look,

40:19

you've got an LTIR retired guy?

40:21

I'll take him. Is

40:23

it Vegas? I think it might be Vegas, honestly.

40:25

Well, I mean, Vegas is the – yeah. Did

40:29

you see the Travis Yost piece on Vegas? I did

40:32

not. A couple weeks ago. He

40:34

basically pointed it out as a total sidetrack, but he

40:36

pointed out that they have

40:39

completely – they

40:41

have their own model where they

40:43

are buyers at the deadline and

40:45

sellers in the summer, which

40:48

is kind of the opposite of

40:50

most contenders. Obviously, contenders try to buy at

40:52

the deadline, but they

40:54

say, well, it's the summer. That's when we have cap

40:56

space. That's when we'll address the goaltending. That's when we'll

40:59

add. We can't do it during

41:01

the season. It's too complicated, whereas Vegas has

41:04

figured out that prices are low on the

41:06

lead players during the season, so

41:08

that's when you buy. And then in

41:10

the summer, you ruthlessly sell, even

41:12

if you've just won a cup, even if you've

41:15

done whatever you sell, because everyone else has caps.

41:18

It's a total market

41:22

inefficiency, I guess, based

41:25

on how everyone else treats it and

41:27

how they've exploited that. It seems

41:29

to be going well. I can't remember if they've won anything,

41:32

but anyways. Yeah,

41:34

no, it's – Check that. If

41:37

that sounds interesting, I would encourage people to

41:39

find that piece that he wrote, because it

41:42

was very interesting. Yeah, I just

41:44

looked. The Coyotes – do

41:46

you know the four guys who are

41:48

on LTIR retirement? Or

41:51

three guys, sorry, three guys. Did

41:55

they wind up getting Shea Weber back? They

41:57

got Shea Weber back. That's one of them. little

42:00

still there that's another one there's

42:02

one more do I

42:04

don't know the other one Jake Voora check oh

42:07

wow yeah that's

42:11

the name I haven't heard and Voora

42:14

check and little come off the books this year Shay

42:16

weber's locked in for another two if if

42:19

I'm if I'm Vegas

42:21

I'm calling up Ryan Smith every day go

42:23

and listen you don't want to be

42:25

paying this guy to not play for you huh what

42:28

do you say we give you a seventh round pick

42:30

you send us that contract we go over the cap

42:32

I another 40 million he cares and then no I

42:35

know I will never

42:37

under that that's the one part of all

42:39

the things in the NHL that I like

42:41

work hard to understand that I just I

42:43

just do the Homer Simpson staring blankly when

42:45

they're like oh yeah

42:47

this team they had to trade away that guy with the

42:50

big cap hit because you know cap

42:52

it I'm like yep got it and they're like

42:54

oh they had to acquire this guy with the

42:56

big cap it because that makes their cap better

42:58

and I'm like yeah sure does and

43:01

then they trade them away again and they're like you

43:03

know cap it and I'm like yep absolutely big

43:05

thumbs up for me I love it who is

43:07

gonna be that team Columbus maybe I

43:11

Ottawa so

43:13

yeah I guess I guess the

43:16

thing is that now I don't

43:18

think there are any teams at all that

43:20

are trying to just reach

43:22

the cap floor because that's

43:24

why that's why Arizona always had all these guys

43:27

we're just we're just trying to round out that the

43:30

bottom of the roster you know remember I Ottawa

43:33

was I don't know several

43:35

years ago now was like really only paying out

43:37

like whatever the number was like 28 million

43:40

dollars against the 60 million dollar cap or

43:42

something yeah remember that yep I

43:46

don't think anybody really is trying to

43:48

do that I guess I guess it'll

43:50

just be whoever's rebuilding at the time

43:52

yeah it'll be different teams doing it

43:54

for two or three years but not

43:56

maybe permanently the way that coyotes seem

43:59

to Yeah. Oh, there you

44:01

go. Why don't

44:03

we take our break and then we'll come

44:05

back and we'll talk a little more about

44:07

the coyote stuff, but then also the

44:12

firing news and all the playoff

44:14

stuff. Sorry, you know, luck

44:16

going on with the coyote. It feels like a pretty

44:18

seismic thing. Yeah. So what do

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49:03

and I said we had one more coyotes

49:05

thing. We

49:07

mentioned that they're not going to be called the

49:09

coyotes in Salt

49:12

Lake City. There is of

49:15

course a lot of back

49:18

and forth about all

49:23

the possible names that the team could come up

49:25

with. A

49:28

lot of them are bad as you might

49:30

imagine and a lot of them are simply

49:32

freaking epic of course. But

49:37

there was an article that

49:41

it

49:43

seems like it ran first in the St. Louis

49:45

Tribune and then got picked up by a bunch

49:47

of, I'm sorry the Salt Lake Tribune. I don't

49:50

know why I said St. Louis. That was stupid.

49:52

But it got picked up elsewhere and it's a

49:54

guy just like throwing shit against the wall of

49:56

like, what names could they come up with? I

49:59

just want to thumbs up and a thumbs down on all

50:01

of these shown from you. All right.

50:03

It's a list of insanely bad

50:05

names. Spectres. Like

50:08

Mark Specter? Yeah, I like that. Yeah,

50:10

that's great actually. Sliders.

50:12

Nope. Shakers. Slap

50:14

shots. This

50:18

is a guy who's never seen a hockey game in

50:20

his life. Skinwalkers. Now,

50:22

what is a skinwalker? I'm going to say

50:25

you know right off the bat, but do I

50:27

agree? From Native American folklore, I'll

50:29

just read what the guy wrote. Scary

50:32

shapeshifters. A bit too

50:34

scary from Native American folklore alliteration

50:36

though. Okay.

50:40

The isotopes. Nope. No,

50:42

that's terrible. The frees. Any

50:44

singular names are up. We're not

50:46

doing those. Wait a minute. But

50:50

for the frees he says, why not? I

50:52

got a list of reasons. Okay, well. Why

50:54

don't you sit down. All right. And you know, he makes

50:57

a good point. He's winning me over. The

51:00

blizzard. The chill. No

51:02

to both of those. Interesting. The

51:05

icebreakers. Nope. The black

51:07

diamonds. That one's not bad. I don't hate

51:09

that one. I don't know about

51:11

having like... I

51:15

don't feel like you can go two words on

51:17

a salt lake nail. It's

51:19

going to screw up the initials. But I don't hate black

51:21

diamonds. Yeah. Blade runners.

51:24

Nope. Hold on. I never

51:26

saw the movie, but because hockey players

51:28

run on blades. They do run on

51:30

blades. They don't run on blades. That

51:32

is classically the way hockey fans talk

51:34

about player movies. Have you

51:37

seen that Connor McDavid run on blades? I

51:40

just never saw the movie. But.

51:43

Come on, dog. It's a pretty fucking

51:45

good movie. I've never seen another. Never

51:48

saw... Me and this guy should hang out. Both

51:52

of us have never seen Blade Runner and apparently don't

51:54

like to watch hockey. No. The

51:56

Storm. The

52:00

spirit okay

52:04

the pioneers now we're into the

52:06

people category. Yeah

52:10

i mean that that one's okay but

52:12

then like he immediately. Says

52:14

no to his own idea don't go

52:17

there he says yeah. How can

52:19

can't be played in boots and bonnet you can't you

52:21

can't run in boots no

52:23

you can only run on skates everyone

52:25

fucking does that the same. I

52:29

feel like that one is taken. Well

52:33

you know look there's a lot there's a lot

52:35

of names that are being suggested that are at

52:38

least adjacent to names that are taken i

52:41

think they're just gonna try to steer

52:43

away from the. From

52:46

the whole mormon thing my opinion. The

52:51

jack no short for lumberjack and just

52:53

go sounds like you should have just

52:55

suggested lumberjack yeah yeah. Lumberjacks

52:57

wouldn't be terrible but jack

52:59

says no. The

53:01

skateful dead okay i think we're done here.

53:05

Unfortunately i have about thirty more

53:08

of these for you the

53:11

slashers no. Okay

53:14

the gladiator i like that one well

53:16

here's the thing i love it by the way salt

53:18

lake slash. I'm

53:21

on board again you're loving that november

53:23

rain yeah well i'm going

53:25

to regret hockey stick come on man

53:27

you the logo. Make it

53:29

can't run on those though you know good point but

53:32

with gladiator series here's his reasoning

53:35

because you're thinking wait a second did

53:37

they have ancient roman gladiators in salt

53:39

lake city turns out they didn't know.

53:42

What what the reasoning is is

53:44

loved the movie loved russell crow

53:46

is maximus decimus meridius. I

53:50

could have only pulled maximus the Spaniard some

53:52

might say now that guy

53:54

would make a great defense and so like

53:56

city gladiators. Glad for

53:58

short aha. You lost me

54:00

on GLAADs for short. This

54:04

guy's just thinking of movies he either has

54:06

or has not seen. Movies he's heard of.

54:09

Yeah. Loved, loved

54:11

the movie. Okay, man. Ridley

54:14

Scott fan. Yeah, sure, I get it. The

54:18

Racers. The

54:20

Rockers. Payers

54:23

nicely with jazz. What's Marty Gennady up

54:25

to these days? You

54:27

do- Let me tell you right

54:29

now, you straight up, I know for a fact that

54:31

you don't want to know the answer to that question.

54:33

Probably not living in Salt Lake City, is that what

54:35

you're suggesting? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alright.

54:39

The Stone Cutters. Okay, we're

54:41

23 in and we've already had two

54:43

Simpsons. That's right. The

54:47

Ice Men. No. Okay,

54:49

the Miners. Nope. I

54:51

kind of like the Miners, that's not bad. Dude,

54:54

you don't like the epic bacon

54:56

dudes? Can you imagine the first time the Predators played

54:58

the Miners? Yeah. How many hilarious

55:00

jokes you would have to endure? The

55:03

Butchers. Garth

55:05

Butcher. Well, I

55:07

didn't see this, but I'm assuming this is another

55:10

reference to a movie from the early 2000s, a

55:12

little film called, Kings of New York. Could

55:16

be the Butcher. You know,

55:19

he's mentioned the movies he either has or hasn't seen,

55:21

so I don't think this one occurred to him. Yeah.

55:25

The Plumbers. No. And

55:27

why does he say that, why does he mention

55:29

Bobby Hall here? Good solid blue

55:31

collar types, that's Bobby Hall's game. Oh yeah, the-

55:34

Classy, Bobby Hall, 650 goal scorer. Yeah.

55:38

Classic Plumber. Really? Third,

55:40

fucking third line guy. I'm not a guy who is

55:42

known from scoring from a distance with any sort of

55:44

specialized shots. No, no. No,

55:47

absolutely, man. Yeah,

55:49

that- again, I don't think this guy- this guy-

55:52

okay, he's just naming guys he's heard of. Yeah.

55:55

The Moose. Nope. Taken. It

55:58

is taken. That's true. The Ice Dog. Taken.

56:01

That, you know what? That's true.

56:04

The Salty Dogs. Stupid. Really

56:07

fucking stupid. The Vultures.

56:10

Yeah. I, look, I love a

56:13

good bird name for a team, man. I

56:16

love that. I love the Vultures. That's my

56:18

number one with a bullet so far. All right. The

56:21

Scorpions. We've talked

56:23

about this in the past, like, team

56:25

names that you're surprised aren't used somewhere.

56:27

And I always mention dragons, but Scorpions

56:29

is right up there for me. Ezzie

56:32

Scorpio. Scorpions

56:34

are cool and scary,

56:36

and I'm surprised that, you

56:38

know, when I'm sitting down and making my

56:41

little fake sports leagues as a kid, the

56:44

dragons and the Scorpions, that's a rivalry right

56:46

there. You know? Put them in different conferences

56:48

so that those are going to be your

56:50

two big marquee teams. So I'm all on

56:52

board on that. So when I was

56:54

a, a teen

56:57

boy, I had an uncle who lived in Arizona,

57:00

and we went down

57:02

on, like, vacation, I think the

57:04

Patriots were playing the Cardinals or something like

57:06

that, and we went to an Arizona fall

57:08

league game. And we

57:11

went to see these Scottsdale Scorpions, and they had,

57:13

like, one of the coolest hats I've ever

57:15

seen in my life. So I think about them

57:17

a lot. It's just like, like

57:19

you said, how do we

57:22

not have a Scorpions in hockey anywhere

57:24

that I can think of? I

57:27

mean, there probably is like a junior team or something

57:29

like that. You know what? I can go on Elite

57:31

Prospects and just type in Scorpions. It'll tell me every

57:33

team that's ever used the name. Let's

57:37

see here. Scorpions.

57:40

Hand over Scorpions in the German 3rd

57:42

Division. Yes, of course. The

57:46

New Mexico Scorpions is an

57:48

inactive junior team. And

57:51

then there's, yeah, like I said, like, a bunch of the

57:54

Tampa Scorpions U18AA,

57:57

St. John's Scorpions, Moncton Scorpions.

58:00

scorpions u15 So

58:03

it's being used but just like not Hmm

58:07

By anybody sounds like it's American pro

58:09

hockey. That's it does sound like that.

58:11

That's true Did it hit scorpions

58:14

and saw late date? Oh, yeah, it

58:16

probably here. Okay, typically but

58:18

but they're menacing But typically not deadly

58:20

which is perfect for a hockey team.

58:23

That's what I like to think of the team. That's like We'll

58:26

keep it closed, but we're not gonna beat you Menacing

58:29

but not deadly Several species

58:31

such as the giant hairy desert scorpion

58:33

and the northern scorpion are right at

58:35

home here alliteration I mean right the

58:37

way things go. I feel like the

58:41

Salt Lake giant hairy desert scorpions Would

58:46

the agent rolls off the tongue Yeah,

58:49

the the SLG HD and

58:51

grimacing I Saw

58:55

G HDS. There you go.

58:58

One of the best teams out there the

59:00

wolves What I like about this

59:02

is that? Mm-hmm You're

59:05

right that that's true. The Chicago wolves obviously, but

59:07

what I like about this is It's

59:10

like a coyote. But what if it was big remuner? Good

59:13

point. You know what? That's a good

59:15

point I like that that's fun. Big

59:17

horns. Oh, okay. I

59:19

like it because it's It's

59:22

like again, it's just like a native animal and

59:24

it's not used as far as I know But

59:28

again, I just like the I just like

59:30

the the description here It's a sheep, but

59:32

it sounds rough and tough your salt Lake

59:35

big horns. Great point brother.

59:37

Yeah Porcupines

59:41

Hold on a second here Next

59:43

to porcupines It says I've played a lot

59:45

of hockey and nobody on ice wants anything

59:47

to do with prickly creatures It's gonna be

59:50

a big citation needed for me there I'm

59:53

not getting the played a

59:55

lot of hockey vibe off of this

59:57

guy Okay,

1:00:00

I got another... I can't turn off all the blades. I can't wait

1:00:02

to get out there and run around. I

1:00:05

got another one for you. Wood rats have

1:00:08

no clue what these are, but they sound difficult to

1:00:10

deal with. You're just suggesting

1:00:12

things you've never heard of? What

1:00:15

is this? Goats? Nope.

1:00:18

Yeah, of course. Skunks? Nope.

1:00:22

They stink, but they live here. Again,

1:00:24

you just don't... You don't want to

1:00:27

put into the mind of the ticket buying

1:00:29

public. We could have gone 25

1:00:31

and maybe, you know, that would have

1:00:33

been fine. You just don't want to put into the mind

1:00:35

of the ticket buying public. You

1:00:37

know the thing that stinks? Buy

1:00:40

a ticket, please. The

1:00:43

Sandpipers. Again, a bird. So I'm in

1:00:45

favor. Okay. That one's not

1:00:47

right. The Lynx. I

1:00:50

mean, the good old Ottawa Lynx, AAA baseball

1:00:52

team we used to have up here. WNBA,

1:00:55

Minnesota Lynx. Sure. But

1:00:59

again, this guy... In the

1:01:01

description, this guy is conceding. Not

1:01:05

as common in Utah as its cousin the

1:01:07

Bobcat. Well,

1:01:09

why not say fucking Bobcat's dog? You

1:01:12

know? Rattlers,

1:01:15

condors, cinnamon bears. That's a real bear,

1:01:18

by the way. Is it really? Mm-hmm.

1:01:21

All right. Sidewinders. I

1:01:24

like that one. Yeah, I like Sidewinders.

1:01:26

Yeah. I like that. Okay.

1:01:29

Yeah. The Coyotes.

1:01:32

I love that he

1:01:34

flipped that in at 45. 45,

1:01:38

yeah, absolutely. The Cutthroats, which

1:01:40

is a type of salmon or trout trout.

1:01:43

I'm asking this guy to read

1:01:45

the room a little bit on Hockey News of 2024.

1:01:49

Well, he literally says, some have suggested

1:01:51

this name for various proteins in Utah

1:01:53

in honor of the trout. But

1:01:56

for hockey, it just conjures images of injury nobody

1:01:59

wants to think of. That's right. Yeah, that's

1:02:01

that's a hundred percent correct The

1:02:05

stingers You're gonna go say

1:02:07

here's I think I

1:02:09

think first of all he's retired and second of all you

1:02:11

just go Right.

1:02:14

Well, so this

1:02:17

is the thing bees are Utah

1:02:20

is the beehive state bees are used in

1:02:22

a on I believe on the state flag

1:02:24

or at least no beehive is on the

1:02:27

State flag and like bees are on various

1:02:29

things around the state like signage and stuff

1:02:31

like that Something to

1:02:33

do with bees works for me a

1:02:35

lot. Okay But stingers

1:02:38

the problem is well among

1:02:40

a number of problems Yeah, that is apparently

1:02:42

the name of the Columbus blue jacket. It's

1:02:44

not the name of the blue jacket. So

1:02:48

He's gonna he's gonna sue you. Yeah the

1:02:50

guy in the suit on less Can

1:02:53

you acquire it like I mean I feel like what's

1:02:55

his contract status everybody's got a

1:02:57

price Columbus, right? Everybody's

1:02:59

got a price, you know There's

1:03:02

got to be a number where the Columbus

1:03:04

blue jackets would say like not only can

1:03:06

you have him? We're bringing back the penis

1:03:08

cannon. Yep Something

1:03:11

to think about Stallions

1:03:15

Apparently there was a football team there.

1:03:17

Welcome. Our stallions were a CFL team.

1:03:20

Okay imagine there have been others but The

1:03:24

Raptors feel like that's been used

1:03:27

Well, so it has been there's a there's

1:03:29

a minor league baseball team called the Ogden

1:03:32

Raptors Okay, that must be the one I

1:03:34

was thinking of But obviously

1:03:36

I mean obviously the Toronto Raptors, but is

1:03:39

this the only dinosaur one that they've gone on this list

1:03:41

it is Because there

1:03:44

is a dinosaur called the Utah Raptor Okay,

1:03:46

so you couldn't be the Salt Lake Raptors in my

1:03:49

opinion if you were the Utah Raptors You just feel

1:03:51

like we're named after the thing. I don't know what

1:03:53

you want from me But

1:03:57

I believe they were discovered up around Ogden

1:04:00

Which is why the last time we

1:04:02

got a team that had like the

1:04:04

same name as an existing big four

1:04:06

team. I guess was the

1:04:08

Jets coming back but yeah, that's right on that.

1:04:10

I can't remember the last time somebody was like

1:04:12

sat down and was like. We're

1:04:15

going to this I got one for

1:04:17

you the Eagles and everyone was like hold on yeah

1:04:20

hold on. I like this

1:04:22

one too the magpies they're just a very

1:04:24

common bird out out in that state. Corvid

1:04:30

I feel like there were three or four good ideas. Yeah

1:04:34

and they only had to come up with 50 this

1:04:36

is as someone who worked in the. In

1:04:39

the newspaper business for a little while there

1:04:41

this is what they call filling column inches.

1:04:45

We need two thousand words from you this

1:04:48

is what we call barely filling column inches

1:04:50

but are they are they filled. No

1:04:52

further questions your honor you know. Scorpions

1:04:56

is my pick at an analyst I out of

1:04:58

that list I think I would have winders wasn't

1:05:01

bad. No I like side

1:05:03

winders and couple of the

1:05:05

bird ones were okay but I will

1:05:07

defer to you on the subject of the birds.

1:05:10

Thank you I appreciate that. Let's

1:05:13

talk about this this happened I

1:05:15

think two minutes before we started

1:05:18

recording this morning don Granado fire.

1:05:20

Yeah. Hard

1:05:22

to argue is what I think I would say

1:05:24

to that one. Yeah

1:05:27

I mean it's tough right like

1:05:29

did not have the success. Certainly

1:05:33

was the right coach coming in to replace

1:05:35

ralph kruger got. Jeff

1:05:38

Skinner back on track seem to unlock H

1:05:41

Thompson but. We

1:05:43

talked about this before sometimes you

1:05:45

are the coach for the rebuild

1:05:48

and not the coach for. The

1:05:53

actual winning part of the plan and

1:05:55

yep there have been talk that

1:05:57

he would be back apparently according to I think

1:05:59

was pure. I saw tweet had

1:06:01

signed an extension that hasn't started

1:06:03

yet. So, Hmm, he'll be all right,

1:06:05

I guess. Yeah. But,

1:06:08

uh, yeah, onto the next,

1:06:12

there's lots of good coaches out there. I,

1:06:14

I, right now there really are. Would be

1:06:17

really good and Buffalo windy. Doesn't that

1:06:19

feel like that

1:06:21

is the immediate line that I

1:06:23

think everybody I saw drew was

1:06:26

just like, you know what? What can we say? Let

1:06:29

that, that seems like the move. Um,

1:06:31

question is how much will the,

1:06:33

the, the goulas pay a coach

1:06:35

given that they're already paying

1:06:37

one, not to coach. The other,

1:06:40

the other question for me anyway,

1:06:42

is, uh, even beyond the, the paying

1:06:45

the coach or whatever, how

1:06:47

sure are we that Jay Woodcroft is a good coach and

1:06:49

not just a guy who coached Connor McDavid? I

1:06:54

mean, wasn't his, obviously his record

1:06:56

was very good. Yeah. I

1:06:59

thought the underlying numbers and everything were real good too.

1:07:01

No, of course they were. We had lots of signs.

1:07:03

I guess we'd find out if we, I

1:07:05

just think there is like, I

1:07:08

agree. I think, I think in my head, I go

1:07:10

that guy's a good coach, but would

1:07:12

I be surprised at all if,

1:07:15

uh, if it turned out not so much, like

1:07:18

you get to, I

1:07:20

feel like coaches with better track records

1:07:22

than Jay Woodcroft have gone to Buffalo

1:07:24

and not had it work out very

1:07:26

well. Let's say in the past 15

1:07:29

years or whatever, you know, so

1:07:32

we're now, that is, I, somebody said 15

1:07:34

coaches since the end of last year. That's

1:07:38

crazy. So

1:07:41

we could absolutely get

1:07:43

to half the league of

1:07:47

turnover. 10 in

1:07:49

the next week. Yeah. Pretty soon.

1:07:51

Cause I mean, yeah, Rick Talkett

1:07:54

hired in the middle of last year. So I

1:07:56

know they might be counting him because I'm only

1:07:58

counting. 14

1:08:00

here. But

1:08:02

either way, a lot of turnover and

1:08:04

potentially more to come after the playoffs.

1:08:09

And not to mention obviously the interim

1:08:11

guys swap. Well, but

1:08:13

I was just thinking like, you

1:08:16

know, we're going to find out who gets

1:08:18

eliminated from the playoffs. Yep. Like Sheldon Keating could

1:08:20

be going in potentially if they... Oh,

1:08:23

I'm just talking about like the

1:08:26

Penguins might... I

1:08:28

don't think so. No, you never know

1:08:31

if they miss the playoffs. Detroit,

1:08:33

if they miss the playoffs. Could San

1:08:35

Jose make a move on that? Wouldn't

1:08:38

shock anyone. No. No. Yeah. Detroit definitely...

1:08:42

Seattle. Seattle.

1:08:44

Yeah. We're going to get there, I

1:08:46

think. Yeah. It's possible.

1:08:48

Not to mention who even knows what happens with

1:08:50

Arizona. By

1:08:53

the way, apparently Andre Turinier was

1:08:58

loudly ruffling some feathers on behalf

1:09:00

of his players, which is... Good.

1:09:02

He should. Well, I mean, he should,

1:09:04

but in his situation, you can understand

1:09:06

if he was like, aim at a

1:09:09

non-sticky... Well, you know what... Do you

1:09:11

remember what his situation is vis-a-vis contract?

1:09:13

No. He just

1:09:15

signed like a three-year extension, I think. Okay.

1:09:18

Like end of last season or so, around then. So

1:09:20

he's locked in for a while is my point. So

1:09:23

he can be like, yeah, fuck it. You

1:09:25

want to fire me? Okay, great. I'll take

1:09:27

my three years worth of money and I'll

1:09:29

chill. But again, I just

1:09:32

think Ryan Smith has to be like, look,

1:09:35

anybody who's mad about this, I fucking get

1:09:37

it, man. Like how

1:09:39

could you not be... He just has to

1:09:41

have, I would say, a pretty dim view

1:09:43

of everything that happened in Arizona. Like the

1:09:45

whole thing with like not even... You

1:09:49

know what? It was bad. We've done enough

1:09:51

coyotes talk, but... Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. Treat

1:09:53

people better, man. So

1:09:56

yeah, let's circle back to

1:09:58

this whole Don Granado thing. Um,

1:10:03

I don't really put this on

1:10:06

him, this underperformance. If

1:10:08

you want to call it that, I, again, I didn't think they

1:10:10

were like, everybody thought they were going to make the playoffs this

1:10:12

year. I thought that was people

1:10:14

getting out on ahead of their skis. Like

1:10:16

I thought it was a very real possibility

1:10:18

that they missed the playoffs

1:10:20

by however much. And the real

1:10:23

question for me anyway, is

1:10:25

you mentioned Tage Thompson earlier. How much is him

1:10:27

playing clearly playing with an injury for quite a

1:10:29

long time and then missing a bunch of games?

1:10:32

How much is that just like, yeah,

1:10:34

look, we missed out on like four or five points.

1:10:37

I don't think you like he personally is worth

1:10:39

that. And you know, you never want to get

1:10:41

into like, Oh, if this

1:10:44

guy had just been healthy, this team actually

1:10:46

had like nine more points. Completely healthy. And

1:10:49

everyone had had good seasons. We would have

1:10:51

been better. But you know, Tage Thompson

1:10:53

went from what did he have last year? 40 something goals.

1:10:56

He, he's still going to hit 30, but,

1:10:59

or he could hit 30 is that 29 right now. But

1:11:03

like, yeah, man, Alex talk can't

1:11:06

be your best forward. Yeah.

1:11:08

There's, there's a lot of work to do on

1:11:11

the team. And, and also the not

1:11:14

unreasonable gamble of just going with what they

1:11:16

had in net. Didn't

1:11:19

feel like it worked out, even though they've

1:11:21

got two pretty solid assets. I've

1:11:24

really wonder if they don't feel like they have

1:11:26

to get a veteran. Luke had a good year.

1:11:28

He had a great enough year, but

1:11:30

do you go in with him and Levi's your two

1:11:33

next year? And, and, or

1:11:35

do you move one of them for someone who helps now

1:11:37

and the other guy is your goalie of the future? I

1:11:41

don't know that the, I don't know that like,

1:11:46

I don't think you can move on from Levi that

1:11:48

the track record is just so strong. And

1:11:52

in that case, like,

1:11:54

who were you going out to get that's guaranteed to

1:11:56

be better than Ugo Pekka, Lucan and was this year.

1:12:01

What you really need is just Levi to come

1:12:03

along and be above 900, I think is the

1:12:06

answer. But

1:12:10

again, you look

1:12:12

at the guys on, a lot of

1:12:14

guys on this roster kind of underperformed

1:12:16

a little bit, I would say, relative

1:12:19

to expectations. Like Jeff

1:12:21

Skinner, he was

1:12:23

a point of game player last year, now he's at 46 points. Dylan

1:12:30

Cousins, again, you're

1:12:32

waiting for him to have that breakout year and

1:12:34

it just hasn't fucking happened yet. 47

1:12:37

points for him. Again,

1:12:39

not the points for the BL end all, but I

1:12:41

don't think you look at Dylan Cousins and

1:12:43

go, now there's a guy who's an unbelievable defensive

1:12:45

player. And

1:12:48

the points just aren't coming along. He's

1:12:50

goodish at a lot of stuff, let's

1:12:53

say. For

1:12:55

where he was picked and what his age is, again,

1:12:58

just like you would maybe hope he would be

1:13:00

further along. D'Alene

1:13:04

had a great year, obviously. Owen

1:13:06

Power, a good year, let's say.

1:13:09

Not a great one. And even

1:13:11

D'Alene, a lot of people had him as their

1:13:13

Norris pick this year and it didn't

1:13:16

take that next step. He

1:13:19

scored 20 fucking goals, man. He's

1:13:22

a good player. That blue line is well set. Yep.

1:13:27

In good shape. God, Henry

1:13:29

Yokohari is only 24 years old. How's

1:13:31

that possible? That's a guy I was watching in

1:13:33

like 2011, I feel like. You

1:13:39

know? Mm-hmm. And

1:13:41

yet here we are. Yeah.

1:13:44

I just wonder like what

1:13:47

they... I don't have their cap friendly page

1:13:49

open, but I'm wondering what they can do to like...

1:13:53

Is there a team that is in a position

1:13:55

at this point, in my opinion, that

1:13:58

is more the like fuck, man? just

1:14:02

we got to do the eyes are playing thing of going out

1:14:04

and getting a bunch of like 31 year

1:14:06

olds to contracts that are kind of an advisable

1:14:08

because kind

1:14:11

of like the Red Wings but like further

1:14:13

along in their development process where it's like yeah

1:14:15

they have a bunch of good young players and

1:14:18

those like good young players have to you know old

1:14:20

tage thompson is it's

1:14:23

gonna be 27 in october hmm

1:14:26

okay not

1:14:28

a guy you think of as being that old and yet here

1:14:30

we are you know took him a while to you

1:14:33

know find the game they

1:14:36

don't have a ton of guys signed for next year

1:14:39

man they they could they could make some stuff happen

1:14:43

they could right

1:14:45

well that's what I mean like that's that's what I mean

1:14:48

oh yeah a ukulele pekka luken then

1:14:51

say a pending RFA with arbitration

1:14:53

rights you know it might cost them

1:14:55

a bit of money this summer interesting

1:14:58

well anyway yeah the savers

1:15:00

fired their coach I don't think anybody's surprised by that oh

1:15:09

you know what I just realized last night was

1:15:11

there or yeah last game yeah it was their

1:15:13

last game I

1:15:15

now my first thought was oh that's a weird time

1:15:17

to do it because you know sometimes you

1:15:20

do see team spire guys with a game or two

1:15:22

left because the

1:15:24

coach basically says like look make a

1:15:26

decision but in this case we actually

1:15:28

have some teams are done yeah that's

1:15:30

weird including the Rangers congratulations

1:15:33

to them on winning the president's trophy yeah

1:15:35

they did I'm just gonna point out I'm

1:15:37

just gonna say it they had

1:15:39

all year to win the

1:15:41

president's trophy could have done it anytime they

1:15:43

wanted mm-hmm could have clinched

1:15:46

first place in the division anytime they wanted didn't

1:15:48

do it until I'm like

1:15:50

an hour after the Islanders clinched

1:15:52

third yeah that's me like the Rangers

1:15:55

are afraid of the Islanders sounds to

1:15:57

me like the rain here you got it I got him on the

1:15:59

run As soon as the Islanders

1:16:01

were locked in at number three, the Rangers

1:16:03

were like, we do not want this matchup.

1:16:06

Just saying. It's

1:16:09

just something for everybody to consider. Just a lot of

1:16:11

people are saying it. Just putting

1:16:13

it out. And you're hearing it more and more. You are. So

1:16:18

yeah, let's talk about that whole playoff

1:16:22

deal. Things

1:16:25

are getting very interesting in

1:16:27

the ECI. Man, that Detroit game last

1:16:29

night was fun as hell. That

1:16:31

was really good to sit down and watch the third period

1:16:33

of that. Down

1:16:36

two roles. You know, like, it's,

1:16:38

there is something kind of fascinating about games

1:16:40

where like one team is playing a playoff

1:16:42

game and the other team has

1:16:45

nothing on the line. Right. Other

1:16:47

than getting kind of caught up in the, in

1:16:50

the atmosphere of it all. And that was,

1:16:52

man, that was really, that was really something.

1:16:55

Yeah. And I mean, they're doing

1:16:57

it again tonight. Tonight's the big

1:16:59

one, man. This is what

1:17:01

it's all about folks. Philly,

1:17:05

Washington, Philadelphia must win in regulation,

1:17:07

which is a little lot of people. I've seen a lot

1:17:09

of takes where people are like, isn't it crazy that Philadelphia

1:17:11

might have to pull their goalie if the game's tied? And

1:17:13

it's like, yeah, that that's happened. I

1:17:17

don't know. Crazy. The right word.

1:17:19

Yeah. It'll be interesting, but

1:17:21

yeah. Yeah. Philadelphia

1:17:28

has to win in regulation to stay alive.

1:17:32

Washington is winning. Out of their hands mostly.

1:17:37

And it's any, any kind of win and

1:17:39

they're in Philadelphia is if they

1:17:41

don't win in regulation are out and

1:17:43

the other teams are waiting

1:17:46

to see what happens in this game to figure out what they

1:17:48

need. Right. Um,

1:17:52

and then Pittsburgh, I think plays

1:17:54

tomorrow night. Am I remembering this correctly?

1:17:58

I should have just written this down, I guess, but pretty

1:18:00

sure they don't play tonight and they

1:18:02

do play on Wednesday. Pittsburgh plays Wednesday.

1:18:05

Uh, they've got the Islanders, which at the time

1:18:07

seemed like it could be. But

1:18:11

that is, yeah. And that's their last game

1:18:13

of the season. There

1:18:18

are the other team that's

1:18:21

in it. So someone

1:18:25

on Reddit, this got posted in the puck soup,

1:18:27

disco, someone on Reddit figured out

1:18:30

that if games

1:18:32

break a certain number of

1:18:34

ways tonight and tomorrow, we

1:18:37

could get down to the sixth tiebreaker

1:18:39

to determine who, uh, who

1:18:43

makes the playoffs, which is cool. Um,

1:18:46

for people. Also, I gotta say it

1:18:49

sounds cooler than it is because when you start

1:18:51

listening to tiebreakers, you're like, Oh, that's just the

1:18:54

same thing four times. Well, until

1:18:56

you get to the weird stuff. So sort

1:18:58

of. Yeah. So the number one tiebreaker, well,

1:19:00

we love running down tiebreakers on this

1:19:03

show now, apparently, uh, number one tiebreaker,

1:19:05

all teams, uh, is number of games

1:19:07

played. Obviously everybody here will be, uh,

1:19:12

uh, tied at 82. The

1:19:16

greater number of games won, including games

1:19:18

won in overtime or by shootouts. Uh,

1:19:22

so basically like X I'm sorry,

1:19:25

excluding games, one and right. So basically regulation

1:19:27

wins. Then the greater number

1:19:29

of games, one excluding the shootout is the

1:19:31

third one. So regulation and overtime greater

1:19:34

number of games, one in anyway. So

1:19:36

then all wins. So now they're

1:19:38

including shootout wins. Yeah. So all the wins, then

1:19:41

it gets interesting. So many ways to win in

1:19:44

this league. And this

1:19:46

is again, this is just so reflective of

1:19:48

how dumb this league is. The

1:19:51

fifth tiebreaker ahead of goal difference,

1:19:53

which is the sixth tiebreaker. Is

1:19:56

the greater number of points earned

1:19:58

in game and head to head

1:20:00

game. games, for

1:20:03

the purpose of determining standings for two

1:20:05

or more clubs that have not played

1:20:07

an even number of games with one

1:20:09

or more of the tied clubs, the

1:20:11

first game played in the city that

1:20:13

has the extra game, the odd game

1:20:15

it says here in quotation marks, shall

1:20:18

not be included. So,

1:20:24

because of that, the Flyers and the

1:20:26

Capitals will have played an odd number of times

1:20:28

about by the end

1:20:30

of the season, the first game

1:20:32

played in the city with the extra

1:20:34

game shall be excluded, the Flyers won

1:20:36

that in a shootout, the next game

1:20:38

the Capitals won at home in regulation,

1:20:40

so should this scenario play out and

1:20:42

the Flyers win on Wednesday, in

1:20:45

regulation, this tiebreaker is also

1:20:48

deadlocked and then you get to

1:20:50

goal difference, which the Flyers would

1:20:52

win, but this is what you

1:20:54

need, what we should all be rooting for to

1:20:56

happen. This is the scenario, Flyers,

1:21:00

Capitals, Philly

1:21:04

wins in regulation as Sean said, you

1:21:07

want Detroit to lose in

1:21:09

regulation, then you want Pittsburgh

1:21:12

to lose in any way, but

1:21:16

preferably they would lose in a shootout because

1:21:18

then it creates a situation where there are

1:21:20

one extra team

1:21:22

tied in the standings basically.

1:21:28

The Penguins would lose tiebreakers to

1:21:30

both Philly and Washington so it

1:21:32

wouldn't matter. So

1:21:35

if it's Flyers win in

1:21:37

regulation, Detroit loses in regulation,

1:21:40

Penguins win or lose

1:21:43

in a shootout

1:21:45

specifically, that creates

1:21:47

a situation where everybody

1:21:50

is tied with 89 points,

1:21:52

all four of those teams. That's

1:21:57

so sick. It would be fun. Yep.

1:22:01

That rules. But definitely we can't have a play

1:22:03

in. Where the teams just played each

1:22:05

other and did another playoffs. That

1:22:08

would be wrong. We're going to go

1:22:10

into the sixth tiebreaker. If

1:22:17

it's up to me, I think goal difference should be the number

1:22:19

one tiebreaker. Just me. If it's up

1:22:21

to the Washington Capitals, it should not. Yeah,

1:22:24

minus 38. Wow, are they ever bad at

1:22:26

that? Minus 38. I'm

1:22:29

going to give you a list of teams that have a

1:22:31

better goal difference than that. The

1:22:33

Flyers, the Devils, the

1:22:36

Ottawa Senators, the

1:22:39

St. Louis Blues, the Minnesota Wild, the

1:22:42

Calgary Flames, the Seattle Kraken, and the

1:22:44

Arizona Coyotes all have a

1:22:48

better goal difference this season. Among

1:22:51

non-playoff teams. The Islanders

1:22:53

also have a better goal difference,

1:22:55

although there's two is negative. They're

1:22:57

pretty bad, yeah. Oh,

1:22:59

but speaking of the Islanders, just

1:23:02

to put a bow on the Don Granado

1:23:04

thing. Islanders have one

1:23:06

game left to try to tie the

1:23:08

Buffalo Sabres for wins in this season.

1:23:12

Sabres right now have won

1:23:14

one more game than the Islanders, but they are like

1:23:16

47 points behind them in the playoff race. This

1:23:20

is a great league. It's such a great system. It

1:23:22

makes so much sense. Yeah,

1:23:24

to your point, the Islanders have 28 regulation

1:23:27

wins. Can I read you a list of teams that are

1:23:29

not in the playoffs right now? Sure, yeah. That

1:23:33

have more than that, more than 28. The

1:23:35

Penguins, the Flyers, the Sabres,

1:23:38

the Devils, the

1:23:42

Blues, the Wilds,

1:23:44

the Flames, and then the

1:23:46

Blues. The Blues, the

1:23:48

Wilds, the Terrible Failure of a Team, the

1:23:50

Flames, yep. The

1:23:54

NHL, you finished 39-43 the way the Sabres

1:23:56

did. You fire your coach. But

1:24:00

you go 38-43, you're in the playoffs baby! That's

1:24:04

hockey. Probably

1:24:08

gonna win around. How about this?

1:24:10

The Ottawa Senators only have one shootout win this year.

1:24:13

Big ups to them. Good for them.

1:24:15

One and five in the shootout. How

1:24:19

about this though? The Ottawa Senators, five and oh in

1:24:21

the shootout baby. Ah, you know what? They

1:24:23

can build on that. That's right. Totally

1:24:26

repeatable. Um, so

1:24:31

one thing that has really annoyed me this week, maybe

1:24:34

I'm crazy here, is

1:24:36

all the people who have

1:24:38

a PHWA votes this year going, I'm

1:24:41

gonna get yelled at for

1:24:43

saying who my top five in

1:24:45

the MVP race are. Someone's gonna be

1:24:47

so bad at me. Who

1:24:51

cares? Shut up. Yeah. You

1:24:54

know what a good way to avoid people being mad at you is?

1:24:57

Be one of those people who is not important

1:24:59

enough to ever get a vote in. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

1:25:02

Bingo baby. Right. Be one of those

1:25:07

second and third tier types.

1:25:10

Not that I know anyone like that. You'd

1:25:13

be like me and be like the fifth tier and not

1:25:15

in the PHWA at all? Don't

1:25:19

want to be, you don't want to be involved. No,

1:25:22

I don't want to be. You're too cool to hang out with

1:25:24

us. It's... The

1:25:28

amount of bullshit you gotta put up with, I feel like, you

1:25:30

know? People

1:25:32

being like, ah, you're not allowed to write that article.

1:25:34

You're in the PHWA. Shut up. I

1:25:36

don't care. I'm writing whatever I want. I

1:25:40

don't think that's ever happened. I've

1:25:44

gotten scolded for writing

1:25:46

articles by

1:25:48

PHWA members. Uh... Not

1:25:53

recently, but you can't have a

1:25:57

take like that. Look, I apologize. for

1:26:00

that shouldn't

1:26:02

have done that I'll tell you off the air who was I don't

1:26:04

give a fuck but

1:26:08

yeah the MVP race McKinnon

1:26:10

McDavid Kucherov maybe Crosby

1:26:13

Penneran maybe hella buck and in my

1:26:16

opinion of voters really being serious Quinn

1:26:18

Hughes would be in the conversation as

1:26:20

well so who would be

1:26:23

your five because this is

1:26:25

again turning it because it's an excellent

1:26:27

race a fantastic race this year there's

1:26:29

there's also so cool but

1:26:31

it's like everyone's like well this guy's got to be

1:26:33

top three and it's like you've just named five guys

1:26:35

who have to be in the top three that's not

1:26:38

how math works you know I wear your five guys

1:26:40

because it because you're right there are at the

1:26:43

very least there's the four guys

1:26:45

having ridiculously great offensive seasons there's

1:26:48

Hughes there's hella buck Crosby

1:26:51

if the penguins make the playoffs and

1:26:55

Penneran probably gets left out but

1:26:57

who did wait you said four

1:27:00

guys who were having great off

1:27:02

so good job McDavid McKinnon Matthews

1:27:04

Oh Matt fuck I didn't even put Matthews on

1:27:07

my left yeah so he's not in there I

1:27:09

guess is my answer so Matthews is not

1:27:12

he brought you know well 70 goals

1:27:14

and is a selkie finalist I get

1:27:16

it you're right no look I

1:27:19

don't disagree that Austin Matthews is great

1:27:21

however I think

1:27:26

I think I would go McDavid not

1:27:28

in order I haven't really thought about it this

1:27:31

strongly I think

1:27:34

I would go McKinnon McDavid Kucharov hella

1:27:37

buck and

1:27:39

then I'd really have to think between Matthews

1:27:43

and Penneran Hughes and Crosby I'd have to

1:27:45

really think about it just

1:27:49

I mean it goes to show how great

1:27:51

a season it's been that like

1:27:54

Austin Matthews could score 70 goals and

1:27:57

be the runner-up for the selkie I don't think he's gonna win like

1:27:59

bark up It's gonna win but could be

1:28:01

the runner-up for the Selkie while scoring

1:28:04

70 goals and legitimately like not outrageously

1:28:06

be left off Some heart

1:28:08

balance. Yep I'll

1:28:11

tell you who's gonna be left off heart balance Hellebok

1:28:13

and Hughes those guys aren't forwards. You're not allowed to

1:28:15

win it if you're not one of them Well, I

1:28:17

mean, it's you're not allowed

1:28:19

to it. We do default to the

1:28:21

to the forwards and

1:28:24

yeah It's

1:28:27

oh it's gonna be I

1:28:32

Still think it's McKinnon Yeah, I

1:28:34

agree It's been McKinnon all season like

1:28:36

that even earlier this year when he

1:28:38

didn't have like thought, you know Wasn't

1:28:41

wasn't like lighting the world on fire like he

1:28:43

has in the last slide say two-thirds of the

1:28:45

season people were like Well, he's gonna win it.

1:28:47

You're the only one of the big four forwards

1:28:50

who hasn't already won one, which shouldn't matter But

1:28:53

it does you can't Totally

1:28:55

does I tell you if I had a ballot

1:28:58

which I don't but if I did

1:29:00

I would give real

1:29:03

consideration to And

1:29:06

I don't know if I'd have the guts to do it But

1:29:09

I would really consider going hella buck one and

1:29:11

then the four forwards in so it should be

1:29:14

hella buck one Too through in my opinion. I

1:29:16

think it should be hella buck one the the

1:29:18

Jets are like I'm gonna keep working hard and

1:29:20

see if pretty good. I ballot back some someday

1:29:24

You're not gonna you're not gonna earn it back by having

1:29:26

someone who's not a forward win it. Yeah You

1:29:30

want to get yelled at there? There's your answer You

1:29:34

just just for the record like look when

1:29:36

these ballots come out And

1:29:39

you want to get all mad. Yes. Absolutely.

1:29:42

If somebody if somebody

1:29:44

is either Occasionally

1:29:47

you see and I don't think it's really an issue

1:29:49

anymore But you see like a ballot for somebody who

1:29:51

barely even covers a sport anymore because they had one

1:29:53

Yeah, when they were that you know, that's no good

1:29:55

and Every once in a

1:29:57

great while you do see people who are clearly I

1:30:00

seem to be voting just for attention or so they can

1:30:02

get a call them out of it or whatever. Okay,

1:30:06

go ahead and be mad at those people. But this

1:30:08

whole like, oh, I'm mad because this

1:30:10

guy. This guy voted for it

1:30:12

like there's 200 voters, man.

1:30:14

You're supposed to get some variety of

1:30:16

thought. You're supposed to get

1:30:18

like, that's how it's supposed to work. It's not

1:30:20

we don't have 200 voters so that every award

1:30:22

can be unanimous. Stop

1:30:25

complaining. The

1:30:27

thing I always say, you

1:30:29

know who do a perfect job of this? Me. I'll

1:30:32

decide every award. It'd be great. And

1:30:34

if it happened to be your favorite team's players

1:30:37

that won every award, then that's just the way

1:30:39

it goes because they're great. Well,

1:30:41

that's the thing. I don't care. Good night to people too. Mm-hmm.

1:30:43

Every single one of those guys. Just biggest sweetie

1:30:45

you can imagine. But

1:30:49

we got a really interesting mailbag question. So interesting

1:30:51

that I wanted to bring it up on the

1:30:53

show. This guy Tom on

1:30:55

our mailbag on the patreon Asked

1:30:59

I'm already hearing a lot of if the Penguins make

1:31:01

the playoffs. I have to rethink my heart ballot for

1:31:03

Sid in that event Who

1:31:08

from whom does he steal the most votes? This

1:31:12

is a really interesting question So

1:31:15

in my hands, I thought

1:31:17

about this and I think it's I think

1:31:19

it comes down to two guys because

1:31:21

clearly if cross if

1:31:23

the Penguins make the playoffs by one point and

1:31:26

that puts Crosby on your ballot, you're clearly a

1:31:29

Very much a old-school like value type of

1:31:31

guy. You're the sort of person who voted

1:31:33

for Taylor Hall Sure.

1:31:36

Yeah So

1:31:38

I think it would have to be you know,

1:31:41

you're not gonna that's not gonna take votes away

1:31:43

from McDavid or Matthews

1:31:45

or McKinnon or the teams that made the

1:31:47

playoffs by 20 points. It's

1:31:49

got to be to me

1:31:51

either Hellebuch or I

1:31:56

Guess Kucharov would be the other one that you could well, I

1:31:58

was gonna say Panera I

1:32:00

think Panarin's gonna get a lot of consideration.

1:32:04

Explain to me the thinking of someone

1:32:06

who has Panarin on the President's trophy

1:32:08

winning Rangers as they're

1:32:10

on their heart ballot. Oh,

1:32:12

he was their best player by far this year. He was,

1:32:15

but I mean what's the value in – because

1:32:17

I mean we're assuming this person is not gonna

1:32:19

vote for Crosby if the Penguins miss the playoffs.

1:32:22

Right. But if they make the playoffs, he's

1:32:24

the reason they made it. Okay, great. Well,

1:32:26

so I'll give you the reason. You just mentioned

1:32:28

Taylor Hall. Artemi Panarin has 120 points.

1:32:32

Vincent Trocek is second on the team in scoring with

1:32:34

77. It's

1:32:36

a big gap. 43 points is a huge fucking

1:32:38

gap. So

1:32:44

that's why. He would be kind

1:32:46

of like the Taylor Hall style.

1:32:50

Although, you know, obviously Taylor Hall like got a bad

1:32:53

team into the playoffs. See, that to

1:32:55

me is the thing, right? Like that's the whole –

1:32:58

it's this stupid thing of like just get them

1:33:00

into the playoffs. And then if they absolutely get

1:33:02

their doors kicked in around one, well, who cares?

1:33:04

Honestly, you know who's – Because the ballots are

1:33:06

already in at that point. You

1:33:08

know who's probably the Rangers MVP? I'm

1:33:11

not joking. It's Jonathan Quick. If he

1:33:13

doesn't go 950 for

1:33:15

four months or whatever, remember

1:33:17

that? He just was like insanely

1:33:19

good, like beyond good. He

1:33:21

was insanely great for

1:33:24

quite a while after in my

1:33:26

recollection, a kind of slow start. And then

1:33:29

he hasn't, I would say, ended up like

1:33:31

super well, again,

1:33:33

just in my recollection. But there

1:33:35

was a stretch there that he

1:33:38

was just like, oh, I'm going to stop 95% of

1:33:40

the shots I faced for quite a while here.

1:33:46

That is what got the Rangers out of that

1:33:48

morass in the middle of the metro for sure.

1:33:50

So – You know

1:33:53

what? You talk about teammates, so somebody pointed this out,

1:33:55

and it kind of – I

1:33:57

hadn't thought of it, but it makes sense.

1:33:59

But Austin Matthews is going to finish with

1:34:01

more goals than the next two players

1:34:04

on his team combined. Oh, I

1:34:06

mean he's unquestionably the best player on that team.

1:34:08

And also I think the

1:34:11

other thing is with Matthews is people look

1:34:13

at the points. But I

1:34:15

think if you look at primary points, he's like

1:34:17

right there with at least a few of

1:34:19

the other guys. Somebody pointed

1:34:21

out – I saw this on Twitter this

1:34:23

morning and I just scrolled past it. Since

1:34:27

the All-Star break, Nikita

1:34:29

Kucherov has as many

1:34:32

goals at five on five as

1:34:34

Cody Cece. Wow.

1:34:39

Yeah, because he's doing nothing but getting assists. That's

1:34:41

right. And also Cody Cece. I mean this is one of

1:34:44

the great players of the league. And also Cody. The Cody

1:34:46

Crybaby is out there. That's

1:34:49

exactly right, brother. Boy, I tell

1:34:51

you. That's exactly right.

1:34:55

Yeah. Adrenaline in its

1:34:57

soul. That's what I'm all about. Something something

1:35:00

Cody Rhodes. Cody Rhodes.

1:35:03

You know, why don't we get the hell out of here? Why don't

1:35:05

you hit him with the plugs and we'll beat it. Find

1:35:08

me at the Athletic. I've got a lot of

1:35:10

stuff this week. I'm going to

1:35:12

have the – well, first of all, if you

1:35:15

didn't see it yesterday, I did my top 16. It

1:35:17

was the last of the weekend rankings, so I went to

1:35:20

my full rankings of who I think will and won't

1:35:23

have a chance at the Cup. I've got bandwagon

1:35:25

rankings this week. And

1:35:27

I also have a – let's

1:35:31

just say a new contest is going to

1:35:33

be dropping this week. Wow. Oh,

1:35:36

we got to be very close to the end of your

1:35:38

current contest. Well, yes, except that – Oh, yeah. You have

1:35:40

something that goes to the draft, right? Yeah. Some of it

1:35:42

does go into that. Forget it.

1:35:45

We do have that as well, and you guys are not

1:35:47

doing well. It's not going great. I actually did perfectly in

1:35:49

every one. Yeah, Ryan did perfect

1:35:51

because he texted me his entry, but

1:35:54

he was like, don't, because it's a spoiler, right? Look,

1:35:56

I don't want to give the – game

1:36:00

away, you know? Yeah. It's

1:36:03

good, it's not good for business. No it's

1:36:05

not. I don't

1:36:07

want to be exposing the business, I

1:36:09

guess. Yeah, exactly. You can't do that.

1:36:12

So yeah, for

1:36:15

me, I guess, you can, if you

1:36:17

really want to go back and read all my college

1:36:19

hockey coverage, now that we're out of

1:36:21

the Frozen Four. By the way, speaking

1:36:24

of the Frozen Four, there is a very

1:36:27

strong thought, I

1:36:30

think kind of depending on what Washington does, like

1:36:34

if they don't make the playoffs, I think, if

1:36:37

Washington doesn't make the playoffs, I think there's a very,

1:36:40

very, very strong possibility that all

1:36:42

three of BC's freshmen, Gabe Perot,

1:36:45

Ryan Leonard, and Will Smith are back next year.

1:36:48

But I

1:36:51

would count on two of those three guys coming

1:36:53

back to BC next season. Which

1:36:57

would be, I mean,

1:36:59

they all scored 60 points as

1:37:01

freshmen in 30, 40, 35,

1:37:04

40 games, whatever the number is. They'd

1:37:09

be tough to beat next year, in my

1:37:11

opinion. Yeah. If all

1:37:13

those guys come back. Obviously, Cut or Go TA signed.

1:37:16

I think

1:37:19

they announced Rutger McGroherty is going

1:37:21

back to Michigan too. That's a

1:37:24

pretty surprising. But

1:37:27

I think what you're seeing now, and this is

1:37:29

part of a larger trend, sorry to derail plugs,

1:37:32

but I think what you're seeing now is that

1:37:34

there are a lot of college players who are

1:37:36

saying, if I'm just going

1:37:38

to be in the AHL, I'd rather be in

1:37:40

college. Mm-hmm. Pretty

1:37:44

interesting. Pretty,

1:37:47

pretty interesting. So

1:37:49

yeah, something to keep an eye on

1:37:51

there for everybody. But

1:37:54

yeah, go to EEP Ringside, and we'll

1:37:56

have a lot of playoff coverage coming up in

1:37:58

the next little while. while here, including

1:38:02

obviously for me, but later this week

1:38:04

I will have a final power feelings

1:38:06

of the regular season, just who I

1:38:08

think is going to win the Stanley

1:38:10

Cup, or who I, correction, who I

1:38:12

feel like is going to win the

1:38:14

Stanley Cup. And

1:38:18

feelings cannot be wrong. And I'll

1:38:21

also have a ranking of teams where it

1:38:23

would be cool if they won the Stanley

1:38:25

Cup of all the playoff teams.

1:38:28

I'll give you a hint, whoever wins the last year,

1:38:31

I'm usually pretty down on there. It would be

1:38:33

cool. I don't need to see these guys win

1:38:36

again. You know what I mean? Vegas, whatever. That's

1:38:38

right. So

1:38:40

yeah, check all that out and then head

1:38:42

over to patreon.com/puck soup where we have a

1:38:45

lot of bonus content coming your way in the

1:38:47

next week or two because of,

1:38:49

you know, we're trying to get everything

1:38:51

done before the playoffs start or as

1:38:53

much as we possibly can. So, cause

1:38:56

then that's when schedules get hectic. I don't know

1:38:58

if people know about this. I've

1:39:00

heard when you're, when you're trying to get a four

1:39:03

hockey writers to find a time that worked for

1:39:05

all four of them at once, not

1:39:07

easy, or even three of the four, two of the

1:39:09

four, not easy.

1:39:11

So yeah, stay tuned for all

1:39:13

that kind of stuff. We got, we got plenty

1:39:16

coming your way. And

1:39:18

thanks for listening to this show and

1:39:20

we'll talk to you next week to, I

1:39:22

guess we'll

1:39:25

be knee deep in the playoffs by then. So

1:39:27

sure. We'll yeah, it's going to be

1:39:29

cool. All right. Have a good one everyone. Bye-bye.