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This is a head gum original.

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This

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is punch up the jam. The

0:09

podcast in which we take the greatest hits of all

0:11

time, and we make them even greater.

0:13

This is our first time ever here in the

0:15

headcount video studio. We've got

0:17

The logo. Yeah. We've got the inspirational

0:20

albums. Fake Grammy's. We

0:22

you're you're seeing our face for the first time

0:24

ever. guess you could you could still be listening

0:27

to the audio if you're just on a podcast app.

0:29

Mhmm. But if you want to, you could click over, you

0:31

could watch this on YouTube. And also, We're

0:33

here with Julian. How's it going everybody?

0:35

How are you doing? What did the like? Julian,

0:38

who didn't even know this is gonna be video.

0:40

This is this is how good he looks.

0:42

He showed up. And he was like, I'm so glad

0:44

we're just doing a podcast and not a video. That

0:46

is a thing that, you know, when you think

0:48

and there's, like, words in your head,

0:51

and

0:51

they stick with you like a conversation? I yeah.

0:53

I called you a podcast. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

0:55

It's not a personal podcast. Mhmm. Today,

0:57

I I said to myself, and my brand studio.

1:00

Thank God, I don't know how to be on camera today.

1:02

I can wear whatever I want. Because Andrew

1:04

had told you very clearly, please

1:06

come be on our pod Yeah. So that means

1:09

something specific, and it doesn't mean confusing.

1:11

Muscovy is confusing. If you're listening, I do

1:13

wanna say what I'm wearing. Alright. I'm wearing this

1:15

shirt that has a fox on it. and it

1:17

says nineteen twenty two and twenty ten.

1:19

I noticed that know. And whenever I wear the

1:21

shirt, people love to ask if that's how long

1:23

the fox lived. That's obviously

1:26

is what's the oddest impression. It's

1:28

suggesting that this is a eighty eight

1:30

year old fox with a death date Yes.

1:33

Yes. It has just died until the

1:35

time. No. This is it is how long a

1:37

place existed. That

1:39

a cabin in the woods called Yelping Hill,

1:41

and my family, my grandfather

1:43

built the house on,

1:45

and

1:45

we go to sometimes. And this was for

1:48

anniversary. Whoa. Oh, good. Good. I

1:50

think you're gonna say until it was destroyed

1:52

out of twenty ten. The place has a

1:54

death date. No. This shirt is

1:56

just like, twenty three I mean, thirteen

1:59

years old at this point. Wow. I I was

2:01

so sad, like, three quarters ago.

2:03

I was tired. I was, like, torn their connection.

2:06

Then they had then they had to sell it. Someone knocked it down

2:08

and built a man The mean old developers

2:10

from Ernest Coast to Camp came in Boulder.

2:12

And and we all got together

2:14

and rallied and we had a song and we had a

2:16

benefit with all the kids in

2:18

the town. And at

2:20

the end, they said this is real life and they bulldozed

2:22

anyway. I'm feeling

2:27

I'm feeling intimidated right now because well,

2:29

I'll tell you, I get sight and I feel

2:31

like I'm in my comfort zone when we come

2:33

here to talk about a one hit wonder

2:36

because people have a lot less baggage

2:38

with those artists. The listeners have a lot less

2:40

at stake. When we come here to talk about a

2:42

song that's by a superstar like

2:44

somebody that left their mark on our

2:46

culture on history, Davey Jones,

2:49

like Davey Jones. like, David

2:51

Jones. It's the original man.

2:54

I get

2:54

nervous because, you know, people the listener's bringing

2:56

their own thing -- Mhmm. -- to

2:57

this episode. And, you know, this is

2:59

one of those episodes. So I'm not gonna say that I'm not

3:01

nervous. You're

3:04

nervous. Yeah. I'm

3:06

a nervous young American. Sure.

3:17

you could talk to her and then you could talk to her right now.

3:19

You just try and take it off. You're cute. Yeah.

3:22

Anything's in bounds. I have so

3:24

many opinions about it. But we don't know what to do. I

3:26

mean, this is our first video episode. What are what what do you

3:28

do during the theme song? I don't know.

3:30

I I thought well, okay.

3:32

I've listened to podcasts and I always assumed that

3:34

the theme song was added in post. So

3:36

that was interesting, but it was it just happens.

3:39

It's live here because it's live

3:41

music podcast. It's on

3:44

the sound board. can I

3:46

say things about Bowie, or would

3:48

you like me to wait? Oh, we wanna

3:50

say things about Bowie. That's what we want to say.

3:52

saying Say what I

3:54

was worried you were gonna suggest a signature dance

3:57

for our theme song is what you were about. Oh,

3:59

no. But you're ready to jump in. I

4:01

I like I don't know. I just already said

4:03

it, and I was thinking, and I have so many thoughts

4:05

about David. Namely,

4:07

you're saying he's a he's not a one hit,

4:09

wonder, such a discography. Are you

4:11

gonna say he is the one who wonders? It's gonna be the hottest take

4:13

up. It's gonna be hottest take up ever. I can't

4:15

believe Julien came in. He just can't believe

4:18

Julien said David Bowie is a one

4:20

hit wonder. It's just sound and

4:22

vision. Put it in the rolling Put

4:24

it in the rolling stone click bate title.

4:26

David Bowie. 1818

4:28

wonder. Julian only likes the

4:30

David Bowie songs about space.

4:33

Listen man sucks. also massive.

4:35

No. I think he has so much

4:37

bad music. There's so many

4:39

so many. I When I was in college,

4:41

I I wanna look at everything. This is this

4:44

is a hot. This is gonna take it. Yeah. This is

4:46

very bright. Thank you. Yeah. No. No. No. I think

4:48

the majority of his music is unlistenable. So

4:53

that's beyond, like, he has a couple bad

4:55

songs. You're into, like, if you were

4:57

just like to been a roulette wheel of

4:59

David Bowie's music star. It's an odds art

5:01

attorney. It's a shitty song. Yeah. He he

5:03

did make a lot of song. You put

5:05

enough stuff out there, you know, every once in a

5:07

while, you get a star man. Yeah. And then

5:09

also, he's making music. Like, he's

5:11

not like, the Rolling Stones are making

5:14

music for ten years and then they're touring on

5:16

that for an additional fifty. He's always

5:18

doing He's like, well, alright. It's two thousand

5:20

seven. Here's my new David Bowie album. It's

5:22

like, I haven't heard that album. Most people

5:24

have not, but it exists. He did the first

5:26

digital only release of an album. I

5:28

believe I believe that to be true. The anti

5:30

prints. Belly? what he did,

5:32

which was so beautiful was he constantly

5:34

was trying to make me stuff and stay relevant.

5:36

Mhmm. And then this is also, I do wanna

5:38

say, only my only my opinion. It

5:41

is not law or fact. What?

5:43

I wanna say that now. You dare

5:45

come on and ask podcast and share

5:47

your opinion. But I I

5:49

only like maybe the first several

5:52

years of his work. I

5:54

was I was listening through some of it earlier

5:56

today because this this is one of

5:58

his first like a

6:00

top twenty five men's. This one is he

6:03

but I was shocked to realize that

6:05

all of his basins were in the Yeah. And

6:07

all like, in the eighties, like, at that point,

6:09

he's approaching forty in his

6:11

forties, and that's when his hit

6:13

was a pressure. with

6:15

Queen, he has just dance.

6:17

Mhmm. He has the really bad

6:19

cover in my opinion of

6:21

Martha and the Mandela's dancing in

6:23

the street Oh, with Mick

6:25

Jagger. That's the best music video ever

6:27

made. Which is like They're just trying to kiss

6:29

the whole time, but they can't. because

6:33

I just got the

6:36

dancing is really wild.

6:38

And I just had to scroll

6:40

through the comments until I saw the comment

6:42

that I so desperately needed, which

6:44

is these are the moves like Jacker.

6:47

But this is what this is what

6:49

Adam Levine is inspiring to. these

6:52

dance moves, it's just swinging and

6:54

snapping. That's it. I think I've seen a shreds

6:56

video of it. I think there's a shreds video out there

6:58

of just like them shuffling your feet

7:00

and snapping. It just sounds incredibly weird.

7:02

Their dansing are very strange. They're wearing these

7:05

very billowy shirts.

7:07

I do not like family guy. I

7:09

don't. I watch listen. I'll

7:11

I'll connect the dots. Okay. I

7:13

watched a lot in middle school. Okay.

7:15

And there's a part in

7:17

it, where

7:18

Peter Gramm goes,

7:19

just watch this video and plays that whole

7:21

music video.

7:22

And it's Did they animated? No.

7:24

No. No. No. he just says, you gotta watch this

7:26

video. And then it's just that whole

7:28

music video. Not animated. Not animated.

7:31

And when I was a kid, I thought it was funniest

7:33

thing literally ever. I would

7:35

show to everyone. It's pretty funny. Yeah.

7:37

Yeah. They're not they're not wrong. Just

7:39

watch this one piece of media. It's

7:41

really strange video. But Bowie,

7:43

like and

7:44

then he has these

7:45

weird breakout hit moments, like,

7:48

like, his work you know, I've read a lot of,

7:50

like, ranker, like, ranking

7:52

Bowie's albums articles. Because

7:54

there's so many, you know Because you wanna see

7:56

where all the songs you hate are. Exactly. You're like,

7:58

you need terreds me. I wanna see that.

8:00

But one of my favorite Bose songs,

8:03

zeros, is on at

8:05

everyone's least favorite album, Glass

8:07

spiders. Are

8:09

did people accept that it is a

8:12

good song on a bad album, though?

8:14

People are just like that song sucks. It's so beautiful.

8:17

It's so beautiful because it sounds like it's old

8:19

music. Mhmm. And then, wow,

8:20

I I'm just realizing I know a lot about polaroid.

8:23

That's why we have Yeah. I didn't know. No.

8:25

That's why I must

8:27

interrupt ourselves. You're so excited to

8:29

talk about Bowie because we knew we had you

8:31

on as Bowie fan an expert that we failed to

8:33

even properly welcome you into the show. Listeners

8:37

have punched up the jam. Welcome to

8:39

the show. Julian Shapiro.

8:43

Hey, the host of recess

8:45

therapy. What? Yeah.

8:47

We have a lot of talk with you. This is this is

8:49

our first, I would say, intentional collaboration,

8:52

but we've had an unintentional collaboration

8:54

before with the song,

8:55

it's corn. This is like I this

8:58

like, we've been working the other for a little bit

9:00

now. It's kinda funny that we've never before. Today

9:02

is the first time we ever met. We've emailed a lot --

9:04

Yeah. -- talking on the phone text. Instagram,

9:06

that weird thing where you do Instagram messaging and

9:08

texting at the same time. But you're a great brother's

9:10

Instagram. badly. It's all of us. It's

9:12

all of us. because I never know who I'm talking.

9:14

Yeah. No. It's sweet. It's pretty clumsy.

9:16

Do you have its cord on the sound

9:18

board?

9:18

No. Yeah.

9:19

I could put it on the center. Give me

9:21

a minute. Some people know. Yeah. People might not

9:24

know about its corn as possible. I

9:26

data. But Julien. Julien

9:30

what did you say you tell me?

9:32

Tell us about your best therapy for tell

9:34

us about a recess there the show if people don't know about

9:36

it because our main goal here is to

9:38

drive people to go watch your

9:40

incredibly funny and wholesome

9:42

and life changing content.

9:44

Thank you. I am Julian Schrovarram. I am

9:47

the host of host

9:49

and creator of the Instagram

9:52

and TikTok and Facebook. You

9:54

know, the media, the digital show, recess

9:56

therapy, which is a kids interview show,

9:58

that I

9:59

started when I was in college, I

10:02

go out on the town with my

10:04

crew, Charlotte Weinman and Juliette

10:06

Goldberg. And

10:08

we with Jovial

10:09

spirit approach parents and

10:12

I go, hey folks,

10:14

you're interviewing kids today for a children's show

10:16

called recess therapy. Could we talk to this

10:19

kid. Could we talk you know, I got that

10:21

kid. Could we talk to them about

10:23

x? And, yeah, I've been doing it

10:25

for a year and a half, and it it's done it's

10:27

going well. Let me spin this one up.

10:29

It's huge. Let me do your own horn

10:31

for you because what's going on to show

10:33

Reese's Therapy is that you are a

10:35

gifted and generous interviewer of

10:37

children. You get on their level, you talk to them

10:39

about what they wanna talk about, you understand

10:41

what they're sharing, and the result

10:43

is, like, genuine gems

10:45

of comedy and also wisdom

10:47

from the youth as of today. I

10:49

was recently because of of

10:51

the success of its

10:53

corn. You interviewed this

10:55

amazingly optimistic

10:58

and wholesome child to wreak --

11:00

Mhmm. -- about his love for corn. Mhmm. We've

11:02

been getting a lot of submissions. A lot of our fan

11:04

like, a lot of our work is like, We see

11:06

it through fan submission. You know, people sent us

11:08

the Your Corn interview to to do. I've

11:10

been getting a lot of submissions in the last week of

11:12

interviews with kids. and I watched one a couple

11:14

days ago where I was just like,

11:16

well, maybe this work at Julie

11:18

doing the interview. It was just very it was

11:20

just very, like, this very,

11:22

like, suited news interviewer who's just

11:24

saying that? Every question he was asking was, like, a

11:26

leading question for the kid. It's, like, well, we're not

11:28

really gonna hear the kid's opinion. It's says

11:30

I'm gonna die today? No.

11:33

That's Anytime

11:35

anyone else speaks to a child,

11:37

I get it sent to me. Yeah. And

11:40

there was very fun. I'll send it to you later.

11:42

But, yeah, I really tried it like I,

11:44

you know, I was doing on the street

11:46

interview stuff. for years.

11:48

Not that many years. I'm not

11:50

very old. But I was doing a lot

11:52

of interview stuff and I was interviewing a lot

11:54

of adults and I was having a lot of negative

11:56

experiences with them, which is people

11:58

saying things that that were kinda

12:00

messed up and, like, just like for the

12:02

camera. Mhmm. And then I

12:05

set up to film a video where I interviewed

12:08

elderly people about something

12:10

a little bit provocative, and I got

12:12

yelled at. and I did a one

12:14

eighty, and I went and I started talking

12:16

to kids. Started asking kids provide me

12:18

stop asking very last tough questions.

12:20

but I, you know, I've been working kids my whole life

12:23

and I in some

12:25

capacity or

12:25

another. And

12:27

and It

12:28

just comes very naturally

12:30

to me. I

12:30

I really like a great show. That's a great

12:32

show. And I think when they feel comfortable and when they

12:34

feel like I don't think they're asked what they

12:37

think by a stranger a lot of the time.

12:39

That's true. Yeah. No. Yeah. They do

12:41

get a lot of yes or no questions

12:43

or telling them, here's what

12:45

you're supposed to be doing. Right now, here go do this. And

12:47

I think kids when they're like given

12:49

a mic and a camera and like

12:51

three young adults who

12:53

are like, we really want to hear what you have to

12:55

say. They spill

12:57

and are very generous. And

13:01

It's often very sweet and funny.

13:03

They spill. TMZ

13:06

would have a field day with them. They dumped

13:08

the hot glass on their They killed us to

13:10

wreak dumped the hot gosh. He's spilled on

13:12

He's hard to pee on corn. That is

13:14

good. No. I would just hold the song. We're

13:16

good. Listen. Yeah. That's okay. Having listened

13:18

to this problem doing this. as

13:20

often as I have now --

13:22

Yeah. -- to adding the video,

13:24

you know, working on the song.

13:27

Watch the interview a lot.

13:29

Do you feel like there's a possibility that what

13:31

Turic is more interested in corn

13:33

is really the butter? He

13:35

seems like, well, we've talked about this a

13:37

little is that he didn't like corn and till it

13:39

had butter. Yeah. No one's talking about that.

13:42

Yeah. I wanna say. No one is talking about that. It's I

13:44

mean, it's it's feels like, like, if there's

13:46

an offer opportunity. Like, the corn industry

13:48

is moving in and working

13:50

to make Tariq his it's

13:53

spokesman. He's on an advocate for Bolei. He went

13:55

to the Corn Palace in South Dakota.

13:57

If I was if

13:59

I were a

13:59

dairy farmer in Minneapolis and I was

14:02

ahead of dairy farmers in

14:04

America, I'd be trying to swoop in

14:06

and be like, it's not the corn

14:08

that tastes good, guys. It's

14:10

it's the butter and also the butter is

14:12

what makes the salt and pepper here to the

14:14

corn. I don't know. I'm here for I'm here for both,

14:16

man, because the butter and the

14:18

salts are the taste revealers of

14:20

the culinary world. Do you

14:22

like dry toast with

14:24

nothing on it? No, you don't. But

14:26

buttery toast, it works. It's such a pure

14:28

food. Butter is like that

14:30

pure fat that you could put on any

14:32

food and render it delicious.

14:34

I I will say

14:37

just because I think it's

14:39

important. Triek likes

14:41

other foods. he's

14:43

really into broccoli. Great.

14:45

He really likes dumplings. Okay. He

14:47

likes fruit. I just like

14:49

that's not out there. That's not information that's been in

14:51

him in view. That's just

14:54

of our private conversations between

14:57

before and after the interview. That's important

14:59

because he's a well rounded guy with real taste. He's not

15:01

just a meme. I'm not yeah. I looked like you

15:03

guys were at a a food festival when

15:05

the interview had eaten just

15:07

before. Okay. The second time, he he came back

15:09

and I was like, Tariq, buddy,

15:11

I would everyone I'll buy for you. And he

15:13

was like, I just had lunch. And I

15:15

was

15:15

like, that I was like, do you even want Courtney? He's like,

15:18

not Not so much. Yeah. And then

15:20

we brought it out and he couldn't help himself, but --

15:22

Mhmm. -- you know, he set himself up

15:24

with a man instead of a food fest. he's

15:26

there. He's there for the Dublin. He's there for the

15:28

Broadway. Okay.

15:28

Yeah. So what what made you

15:31

of all songs in the world? No. And this and

15:33

we'll talk about this a little bit later. This

15:35

wasn't the first one you picked because we straight

15:37

up Vido'd. Maybe as many as five

15:39

songs that you used. Well, you said But I

15:41

said many songs were very strong. clear. any

15:43

song and you sent me five songs, and then I said

15:45

-- No. -- I talked to Evan, and we said we've

15:47

already been more we need we need songs that are

15:49

more famous than this. I well, I was,

15:51

like, let me be interested I was like, let

15:53

me pick songs that I love that many people don't

15:55

know. So I was try like, sure. You're trying to

15:57

impress the first date with your playlist as well. Yeah. I

15:59

was trying to I was trying to make a mix tape

16:01

for us. Kevin and I said, yeah. we live.

16:03

We're working in the attention economy.

16:05

You need we're making our living with clicks. We

16:07

gotta we gotta get some clicks. You don't need to

16:09

flirt with with your indie rock. Yeah. No.

16:11

We need you to go broad. Big. I

16:13

went to Bowie and I went to specifically

16:15

young American because

16:17

I love that song. I

16:19

have listened to it so many

16:22

times and duration

16:25

listening leads to opinions. And if

16:27

this isn't a a podcast Wow. --

16:29

opinions on music. I have -- Yes. --

16:31

say that. Let's clip that out. That's

16:33

that's that could be a motto of the show. Yeah.

16:36

Directional listening leads to opinions. Put that

16:38

on my epitaph. Merge.

16:41

Before I really wanna get into the

16:43

lyrics, like, all all we really need to talk

16:45

about is how many nuts

16:47

lyrics are in this song. But Andrew, could you

16:49

just give us, like, a little bit of context for what

16:51

is going on in

16:53

Bowie's career when he comes to record this

16:55

thing. So he was when people think

16:57

fully, they think about a man

16:59

who lived in phases, Mhmm.

17:01

Right? The mini phase is a bully. The mini phase is a bully.

17:03

Right? Yeah. And Just to name a few. To

17:05

name a Please.

17:08

The Starting of the Starting

17:10

class. Bowie -- Yeah.

17:12

-- then Ziggy, then what

17:14

is his -- Pre Bowie -- David Jones. -- and

17:16

what -- this is a thin white dude. Thin white Is that after that?

17:19

Is that the thin this is in

17:21

AAA brief period --

17:23

Yeah. -- between Ziggy

17:25

startups -- Uh-huh. -- where where, like, he has

17:27

the lighting painted on his

17:29

face and is wearing the costumes in his back band. It's called,

17:31

like, the the spiders from Mars.

17:33

And then the the next album,

17:35

he starts going into the thin white duke. But

17:37

then he starts doing these, like, big

17:39

big pants in the little little button up

17:41

in the little little tie outfits. Yeah.

17:44

But this is like the this

17:46

album which is also called young Americans

17:48

is is like this one album between the

17:50

thin white duke and Ziggy Stardust

17:52

-- Mhmm. -- where he he

17:54

calls it his plastic soul. Nice.

17:57

Plastic. Did you know? That's his plastic

17:59

sulfate. I looked it up. Okay. Looks like How do you know

18:01

it? He he calls this plastic sulfate, and he

18:03

there's a there's a quote,

18:05

he said, plastic soul is the

18:07

squash remains -- Wow. -- of

18:09

ethnic music. As it survives in the

18:11

age of music, written in song

18:13

by a white limey. So

18:16

he's like he's like,

18:18

wow. He's trying to embrace.

18:21

Yeah. rock,

18:21

he's he, like, in his whole career,

18:24

is

18:24

always very honest

18:27

about rock and roll being,

18:29

like, having it its

18:31

roots in black America. Yeah. Mhmm.

18:33

There's that amazing interview he does in the eighties. Have

18:35

you guys seen this interview though? He

18:37

he he didn't interview in the early

18:39

eighties with MTV. We're like in this interview supposed

18:41

to be a softball interview. He basically starts asking

18:43

the interviewer, like, so are you guys not

18:45

putting any black people's music on MTV?

18:48

What? It's an awesome interview. And the guy's like,

18:50

oh, well, we we

18:52

are sometimes. And Bowie's like, well,

18:54

I watch MTV a lot. And usually, you're

18:56

putting on, like, the black

18:58

musicians around like two, three in the morning.

19:00

And the guy's like, well, we we the

19:02

guy's like trying to make it better, but

19:04

he says something insane, which is like, well, we

19:06

have to interest of America,

19:08

not just the people who live in

19:10

cities, but also the people who live

19:12

in Poughkeepsie and Peoria. We

19:15

have to do -- Yeah. -- he was on the spot, and he had to

19:17

do the soft racism of, like,

19:19

an executive appealing But Dave Oh, he's

19:21

not not letting Well, those guys have it

19:23

for him. What a legend? not to

19:25

go, like, to down this rabbit hole, but, like, Bowie's

19:29

politics in his music are so interesting

19:31

because he he I think he

19:33

feels like he can get away with a little

19:35

bit more than I think

19:37

he should feel. He says a lot of

19:39

kinda whack stuff in his he says some

19:41

whack stuff in the song. Yes. We'll get to it.

19:43

But, like,

19:44

China Girl, also not a song.

19:46

That's a Iggy pop song that he

19:48

covers. Mhmm. Mhmm. but

19:51

he also did a lot of cool stuff. Yeah. He's a controversial

19:53

character. He slept with

19:55

a sixteen year old, and then the

19:57

sixteen year old was like, no, no, no, no,

19:59

no,

19:59

is awesome. and he

20:00

got off the hook. She was like, this was

20:02

really cool and I wanted it really bad. You say that

20:05

on the stand? She yeah. Well, no.

20:07

He, like, she, like, testified I don't

20:09

think got to court or anything, but, like, he always

20:11

does stuff and he always he always comes out on

20:13

the top. Mhmm. He lived the top in

20:15

REI. Yeah. So, like, his his whole thing as an

20:17

endorsement. No. No. No. No. So his

20:19

whole thing about, like, about,

20:21

like, ethnic music and the age of music that

20:23

sung by a white limey, it's, like,

20:25

It's this very, like, cerebral

20:28

take on it, but it's like, is it really

20:30

that different than, like, the

20:32

rolling stones? Yeah. Just doing the

20:34

blues or, like, like Linen John

20:36

Linen actually was on this album.

20:38

He co wrote the big hit on it,

20:40

fame. Any play with him? Yeah. then

20:42

he they covered across the

20:44

universe on this album, John Lennon played

20:46

guitar, because they were just like because they were

20:48

just

20:48

acquaintances basically that became friends

20:50

working on this album. And

20:51

John Lennon had a much simpler way of talking

20:54

about it, which is he said that this album was

20:56

great, but just rock and roll with lipstick.

20:58

It's like That's

21:00

very random. It is it is very

21:02

random. You got right to the heart

21:04

of it than just sort of being, like,

21:06

ethnic music, but in the age of music, but

21:08

sung by a white line. David Bowie

21:10

comes off sounded like an anthropologist. Yeah.

21:12

But he's not wrong though. But

21:14

David Bowie really wanted to,

21:16

like, as he you know, in his mind,

21:18

he's like, I'm gonna go to America

21:20

and I'm gonna make a rock and roll album in

21:22

the tradition of, like,

21:24

rock and roll pioneers who were black.

21:26

He goes to gambling

21:28

huff studio in Philadelphia.

21:31

We're just I don't know. Honestly, to me, kind of an odd choice because,

21:33

like, it why not go to Detroit? Why

21:35

not go to Memphis? Why not go to Stack Studio

21:37

or Motown, but it goes to gambling huff?

21:39

closed. But I think it was like a very far

21:41

third place studio. It's

21:43

like, do you wanna be at the studio where

21:45

they did, like, a Rita Franklin

21:48

or Let's where they did Teddy Pendergrass.

21:50

And Teddy Pendergrass hasn't even happened

21:52

yet. Wow. Anyway, he goes to Philadelphia

21:54

and he does having pendergrass

21:56

on my show. so wrong. But

21:59

he

21:59

the but I

22:01

I love Teddy Pinagraph. Teddy Pinagraph is

22:04

awesome. Sure. But just backtracking it.

22:06

Just walking it back. as fast as you

22:08

can. So are you telling me you like

22:10

Teddy Dynamics more than you like

22:12

a reframe? Yeah.

22:14

Not

22:14

you. I know that he had a really

22:17

strong class. But

22:19

he didn't have an amazing ban for

22:21

this. He had slide in the family

22:23

stone's drummer on it. He and he it's

22:25

kind of funky because he went because he wanted to fill

22:27

it off your house's drummer. But then they weren't

22:29

available, so he hired all these

22:31

other guys. he had Aisley Brothers base player on it.

22:33

Wow. Which is which is great. I

22:35

don't know. That's the background. Is that the background

22:37

you're looking for, Evan? Absolutely. I

22:39

think we need let politics

22:41

speak for themselves by playing the

22:43

song. What the single version otherwise

22:45

would be here all day

22:47

talking about eight verses, but I wanna get into playing the

22:50

song, which just

22:52

immediately puts you in a spot. Oh. Sounds

22:54

funky. The opening Cool.

22:56

Second little Blissando coming down. That's

22:58

so good. Amazing backing

23:01

band. Like, they're just the the skills

23:03

are on display here. It sounds

23:06

tight. The saxophone is being played by

23:08

David Sandborn. Legendary

23:10

Alto sax player from American music scene,

23:12

and this is like early in his career before he

23:14

hit a big. Okay. So now

23:16

we're getting the lyrics. Oh,

23:18

I just wanna sit out

23:21

first first. I'm

23:23

just gonna just pause. We gotta we gotta bite this

23:25

up. Like, I think it's

23:27

a story. I've I've heard this song a lot. I've

23:29

heard this song a lot and you you just

23:31

accept it as happy song

23:34

celebrating young Americans being

23:37

carefree.

23:37

I don't know. Then it would fit in with

23:39

a lot of

23:40

pop music, but it ain't that.

23:42

This first verse is about a a bad

23:45

hookup that happens way

23:47

too fast. that begets a

23:49

child. And I listened to

23:51

I never

23:52

and it took me looking up. What was

23:54

Is it bad hookup or is it a bad marriage

23:57

proposal? Oh, is that what you think? They pulled in just behind the

23:59

bridge. He lays her down.

24:01

He frowns. He's hesitating here.

24:03

Yeah. Gee, my life's a funny

24:05

thing. Am

24:05

I still too young? What does

24:07

that mean? Am I still too young? He's

24:09

a child. He has to get mad.

24:12

Look. He kissed her then and there. I get okay.

24:14

Okay. She took his ring. She took his ring, so she started

24:16

the proposal. Well, here's that line. He

24:19

stood there in there. Okay.

24:21

Great. his baby. Took his

24:23

babies. Now

24:25

as far as I can that's just sperm. Like, they had

24:28

sex. He he proposed, she

24:30

accepted, and they decided to consummate the

24:32

proposal. right there behind the bridge.

24:34

And it took him minutes.

24:36

Yep. Took her no way. Yeah. We can

24:38

sit on time. Hugeburn. We everyone

24:40

can identify with know,

24:42

the man One man is rocks off

24:45

where she is like, wait. What about me over

24:47

here? Just waving her hand. Hello?

24:49

Hello? What about me? Yep. This is a

24:51

feel. Yeah. This is a personal story.

24:54

Hello? I just

24:56

think it's a funny way to lead in.

24:58

I like this song. This is a good

25:00

song. But

25:00

I think it's absolutely unhinged

25:03

that David Bowie, like,

25:05

does this sound like an

25:07

American rock song? Sort of. Sort of.

25:10

Sort of. Yeah. But the

25:12

lyric writing to me is so

25:14

detached from any sort

25:16

of traditional American rock

25:18

and roll lyric writing. Like, there's no

25:20

rhymes in here. Yes. This is this is what I

25:22

might take. This is what fire. That is

25:24

absolutely wild to me that David Bowie was like,

25:26

I'm going to go to

25:28

America and I'm gonna

25:30

make an album that is

25:33

his words, not mine. An ethnic

25:35

album. It's like, what historical

25:38

rock and roll song sounds

25:40

like this leerically. And my opinion is

25:42

none of them. No. And I I don't know.

25:44

Maybe if you if maybe if I spoke to David

25:46

Bowie in-depth, which I'll never do, he would

25:48

say, well, like, well, of course, I was going for the sound, but I needed my hot

25:51

David Bowie takes And he wanted to write

25:53

his his poetry. This sounds like

25:55

New Age There are no

25:57

rhymes in the first and first use case. And

25:59

it's about, like, working

25:59

class America in this

26:01

in my opinion, like, really white

26:04

way that

26:04

when I did I said, like, read

26:07

the lyrics to this and I was like, this is like, this is one of

26:09

those America songs that

26:11

people are like, yeah, America. because they hear

26:13

America in the song and then you read the lyrics and you're

26:15

like, this is

26:15

about how depressing America. Yeah. Like Jack and Diane

26:17

or Jack and Diane or like

26:19

a John Kooten Kooten Kootenailing camp like Jack and

26:22

Diane -- Yeah. -- or like born in the USA by Bruce

26:24

Springsteen. Sure. It's very like

26:26

reality is hard. Yeah. But then I

26:28

was reading more about

26:28

the album he literally recorded

26:31

a springsteen song on this

26:33

album, and they cut it. Really? And it's

26:35

bizarre to me that that Dave Bowie is like,

26:37

I must go to America. and

26:39

make a -- His words not mine. --

26:41

that's my god. And then he was

26:43

like, I'll record a song

26:45

by the American rock and

26:48

roller, Bruce Springsteen. Who just did born in

26:50

the US States? So are you saying young

26:52

Americans is a watered down born in

26:54

the it even Like has American Do you say the

26:56

title? It said this is extremely hot ticket.

26:58

So the science you covered was, it's hard to

27:00

be a saint in the city. Uh-huh. Off greetings from

27:02

Asbury Park. Like, do you

27:04

cut do you cut that Bruce Springsteen song because

27:06

you realize, like, well,

27:08

this one's kind of my birthday. Yeah. You don't

27:10

wanna you don't wanna give it away.

27:12

You don't have the inspiration, the song that inspired him in

27:14

person. Young Americans right by it.

27:16

But it's like, oh, sure. Which is really strange to me

27:18

that if anything, this reminds me of a

27:20

springsteen song, even the saxophone. because,

27:22

like, Clarence Clemens thing. You're right.

27:24

You said David Sandborn's a lot better at playing this next week. You're

27:26

right. I was gonna say, like, if you'd never heard this song

27:28

before and the track started, the

27:31

rhythm section is in, the Saxx is blowing on

27:33

the intro that what I expect

27:35

would be like sugar pie honey

27:37

buns with a lot of like really square rimes just giving

27:39

you a moat on love song. Yeah. But you're right

27:41

that the saxophone is actually It's

27:43

very it's very East Street band there's a moment.

27:46

Yes. Yeah. So Yeah.

27:48

This is very funny to me that

27:50

he's like insistent that this

27:52

is all like a

27:55

homage to the history of black

27:57

music in America. He's very outspoken about

27:59

that into the eighties and

27:59

nineties. But it's Yeah.

28:02

It just seems like a first increasing speed.

28:05

White America. Until

28:07

until he says the buzzwords at the end, but

28:09

we'll get to those. Yeah. Okay. We're into the

28:11

first chorus here and there. Heaven knows

28:14

she'd have taken anything, but She

28:16

wants

28:19

a young man.

28:23

Is he not

28:27

the guy?

28:29

Yeah.

28:29

The the the dude in the story? I

28:31

feel like Is is the young American

28:33

a man who can last a long time

28:36

in Feb? I think it's like she she's

28:38

tricking herself into thinking that he is the young American

28:40

she wants. Right? Like he is a young American -- Mhmm.

28:42

-- but he isn't at the same time, but

28:45

she's this easy young American. Right? Yeah. It doesn't work.

28:47

Right. That's that's the way I read the song.

28:49

That's just clearing one thing up. Is

28:52

she American? don't know. She is. Right?

28:54

Isn't this a story about, like, two young

28:56

Americans getting together, just living the

28:58

typical Americans? Like, I blew open the case. I hear

29:00

this. I hear this as, like, Bowie's

29:02

saying, like, This is what young

29:04

Americans this is a typical American

29:06

story. Yeah. They got pregnant

29:08

young. Brenda and Eddie were the popular

29:10

steady and kings in the queens of the

29:12

prom left. Not

29:14

to toteville. Yeah. Alexis. Yeah.

29:16

Not personally. T. O. Really?

29:18

We've never met. he's a bad guy, but this

29:20

feels like a Ditokvillian read

29:24

of America. For our

29:26

I been to America, and this is what I've

29:29

seen. Meaning, we're talking

29:32

about the French surveyor of

29:34

colonial american culture. That's what you're

29:36

talking about. Bowie is the modern. Bowie is the modern

29:38

colonial coming over here. Anthropologically, he's

29:40

writing the Audubon Society book

29:43

on Americans. is what he

29:45

sees. That's what to

29:45

talk about, did he. He just it was first

29:47

impressions only. It ran down his back. And it's like

29:49

David Bowie's traveling America, like, basically

29:52

seeing, like, hotels and

29:54

restaurants -- Mhmm. -- as he's already famous. He's

29:56

on tour, and he's peeping. Yeah.

29:58

And

29:58

a couple. Yeah. And he, like Mhmm.

30:00

But how does David Bowie know

30:02

what normal America is? He's

30:05

he's he's, you know, going

30:07

to Gammel and Huff Studio, he's

30:09

hanging out with John Lennon at the at at a

30:12

at

30:12

a electric

30:12

lady studio in New York City. Have

30:15

you seen you know

30:15

by Youngerman? Yeah. That's why he had to start watching

30:17

all that MTV. Yeah. He's talking about a man.

30:19

He's like, I met this great young American. His name

30:22

is John Lennon. This

30:24

guy knows everything about New York.

30:27

He's got he must be from the south. Have

30:29

you seen that an example of

30:31

Boeing being so not a normal person

30:33

who cannot live a normal person life? Have you seen him

30:35

and Pierre Frampton and Madrid? No.

30:37

Oh my god. Homework.

30:40

Bowie and Frampton went

30:42

to Madrid, I think for an MTV piece.

30:45

Okay? It's just them trying to get

30:47

a beer and

30:48

they're, like, in Seoul

30:51

and, like, just walking around and

30:53

bogey's, like, making jokes and they

30:55

just get swarmed.

30:58

Swarmed by by fanningards. Yeah.

31:01

And no one goes up to Peter

31:03

Frampton. Like,

31:03

he, like, gets pushed to

31:06

the side. Man. But,

31:08

yeah, I don't I don't think he

31:10

knows I don't think he knows what it means to be a young

31:12

American by any means. Yeah.

31:13

You can pick it up. I need

31:15

a lot of help deciphering the second

31:17

verse. So that's amazing background

31:20

vocal, I will say of them. Yeah. And the

31:22

amazing background vocal, leads

31:23

us to your Lee's favorite segment

31:24

on the show. Oh, no. Then you

31:27

get five This is

31:29

Evans' Lee's favorite segment on the show, Julian, and

31:31

it is. if he

31:33

could answer this tribute question

31:35

about the song, young Americans, or it

31:37

could be about David Bowie's life. I try to I

31:39

try to keep them gettable. I try to keep them in

31:41

the pocket. I

31:41

will Venmo, Evan, five dollars. Wow.

31:44

However, in this in this case, your

31:46

guest, you're you're a Yeah. You can steal. You

31:48

can have a We have an opportunity to steal. He's not a

31:50

lifeline. He's he could these are my

31:52

competitors, your competitor. And

31:54

-- Sorry. -- I always I lose these every time.

31:56

Question is really bad mood. you

31:58

know, we've talked about this is recorded in

31:59

Philadelphia. Mhmm. Mhmm. There's a

32:02

as of this is an additional

32:04

clue in when was this recorded,

32:06

I think, seventy four. and

32:07

seventy four is an unknown. Mhmm. Who

32:10

sings and arranged the

32:13

background

32:13

background vocals.

32:14

local A man.

32:15

a man

32:16

who became a superstar.

32:18

Who is

32:19

that man? And I

32:21

will say it's not Teddy pendergrass.

32:23

not Teddy Pendergrass. That was my

32:26

guess. Yeah. You can play

32:27

it back. See if you can Yeah. Let's hear your voice.

32:29

Let's hear your voice.

32:30

It's like David like, roll it out all night. All

32:32

night. Well, I mean, it's not just one guy.

32:35

Yeah. You can hear that it's a man.

32:37

Oh, you can hear that not

32:39

just a man's voice

32:40

here. Okay.

32:47

Very good. Just second verse here, Kelly.

32:51

Okay. I have Let's have an educated ride.

32:53

We can let her ride. We can let her ride. Have an educated guess.

32:56

because of the generous clues that

32:58

you've given me. Really? And the sound of

33:00

the

33:01

vocal. And

33:02

my guess is, Luther Vanderberry.

33:04

You got it. That's five

33:07

dollars. That's five dollars. Yes.

33:09

Are we riding that high

33:12

all day? And it's gonna counteract the skull

33:14

injuries. I just gave myself by leaning back

33:16

on that bookshelf. Yeah. It's

33:18

insane. For the first time, it's

33:20

a visual medium And

33:22

you'll know I'm not kidding around

33:24

when I say that

33:26

I will. Didn't know Evan.

33:29

Oh, it feels good. You're the man. No, darling.

33:31

I don't know who that

33:33

man is. Who? Luther

33:35

Van Dros? Oh, well,

33:37

if you wanna cry. If

33:39

you're looking for a song, if you're looking to make

33:41

you cry -- Mhmm. -- tonight. We'll

33:43

get to that later in the David Bowie

33:46

song. listen to dance with my father by

33:48

Lucy van. I will. I will. I'm

33:50

having a small cat together tonight, and I'll put

33:52

it on. Just Yeah.

33:54

Hall of Fame RMB says. Oh,

33:56

with my further We don't need to get this is not Luther Van

33:58

Ross' episode. We'll put a pin in that

33:59

for Luther Van Ross. So I have

34:01

to change my walk ins on later date.

34:04

Yeah. And you got and we don't need to make Julien out to

34:06

be new. We'll just edit this right out. No. I I

34:08

know things that you don't know.

34:11

Yeah. You ain't a pimp. You ain't a hustler. You

34:13

ain't a pimp. You ain't a pimp. You ain't

34:16

a pimp.

34:18

You ain't a vampire. We'll get to

34:22

that. Yep. That

34:22

is so crazy. So we're at all the way

34:24

from Washington. Yeah. All the way from Washington.

34:27

Here we go. Red

34:30

winner. Dags off

34:33

the Ashley Swanky kids. The winner has

34:35

the dive ball of fifty.

34:37

What? We he finally

34:40

rammed. He managed to get bathroom floor or

34:42

fifty more. That's made,

34:44

like, the floor. an accident.

34:46

That's not One he was working on his team. He was

34:48

try he's trying to write his avant

34:50

garde poetry, accidentally write it. Yes. Volumes

34:52

are built on rise. He's your under his

34:54

schemes. All

34:56

rhyme. III wish we'd thought of that. I wish we'd thought of that.

34:58

I do wish that we did sneak in a few minutes. No. But honestly,

35:00

as we were scrambling to eat, there's none. We

35:02

were like, this is an easy one because

35:05

It's -- Yeah. -- you don't have to rise. Yeah. You just you just fill the whole thing with

35:08

garbage. Say whatever you want. So

35:10

all the way from Washington --

35:12

Mhmm. -- that

35:12

is a place in America. Yes. Great.

35:14

unclear whether it's the

35:16

state or the district. He did, I

35:19

think, this man,

35:20

quick quick neck,

35:22

we can call him. Okay.

35:25

because of

35:25

that's quick because of his sexual

35:27

-- Yes. -- seed -- Yeah. -- dark mass.

35:29

Okay. No shade. Wait a

35:31

minute. Sure. And he I think

35:33

he cheated or something.

35:35

begs off. No. He's begging

35:37

for

35:37

forgiveness. I see. Okay. He's on

35:39

his knees in the bathroom.

35:42

Yeah. Please. I came all the way from Washington. I came all the way from

35:44

Washington. I heard no

35:46

idea what the Washington has to do with

35:48

anything. I

35:49

think Washington

35:52

I assume we're city, DC, not state. I

35:54

mean, I'm willing

35:54

to go there with you. It's not Just know

35:57

how many commitments Evidence. He could

35:59

be coming from

35:59

Seattle. Alright. I heard Beth I

36:02

mean, your read

36:03

or is he working? Great read

36:05

there. I assumed being on the bathroom floor

36:07

had to do with Barfing. just

36:09

because David Bowie was hugely addicted to cocaine for most of

36:11

the nineteen seventies, including

36:12

these reporting sessions. So

36:16

I just assumed he was drawing from his social experience

36:18

of overdosing and being

36:20

addicted to his relationship with

36:23

the bathroom floor. Yes. Is Coco for passing out there, which is

36:25

-- Yes. -- ordinary American experience.

36:28

Yeah. But may but maybe maybe

36:30

you're right, and he's just a janitor.

36:32

I don't know. Just be

36:35

a janitor, which would be another reason that I

36:38

don't know who QuickNix's

36:40

companion is. You

36:42

know? Well, janitor is a very, like, spring

36:45

stini in occupation. Right? Yeah.

36:47

You know, quick nick

36:48

could definitely be a a

36:51

school custodian. What's his wife's name? Yeah.

36:53

But Viv? Viv? Yeah. But

36:55

something that that Viv could

36:58

perhaps be disappointed in

36:59

her husband for becoming. you

37:01

know, at

37:01

eighteen when they were in the car. She

37:04

thought he'd promised that he was gonna go to college.

37:06

And now

37:06

he's on the bathroom floor?

37:08

The bathroom floor also,

37:10

like, you know, makes me think of, like, working on the the factory

37:12

floor, but he works on the bathroom. Well,

37:14

it could be a it could be a factory where

37:17

they build bathrooms. Yeah. For sure. What's

37:19

seventy prefab appliances? The bathroom floor. Prepab

37:22

bathrooms. Yep. And then

37:24

I'm just taking a lead on this one, but, you

37:25

know, you jump in

37:28

anytime. But they've been the guy for twenty

37:29

years and he doesn't he he is

37:31

afraid to live any longer. I have different

37:33

take, which is that they're only

37:35

twenty years old. only

37:38

see the value. They only see the value in being

37:40

young. Like, everything is about your whole

37:42

life. is already going generally age twenty.

37:45

Right? No. I got a god. We've been married for two years.

37:47

Do we have to phone this in for another

37:49

fifty years? We're gonna die to each

37:51

other. You know, know, like, oh, the whole point of life is to be

37:53

young and do fun things. But now that's all in the past.

37:56

We got this hard to be that this was

37:58

his first, like, breakout hit in

38:00

America. People

38:02

were like, He's talking about America. And that's

38:04

what's so twisted and funny about it is that

38:06

it sounds so subtle. That's like

38:08

Jack and Diane. Eat rocks. The rhythm

38:10

section is

38:12

fly. So and the backup singers are

38:14

doing a ton of work here. Every time

38:16

it hits the chorus, everybody in the bar

38:18

is putting their hands up. Oh,

38:20

nice. I think you could listen to the song and

38:22

only hear the word American, and

38:25

America, and the which is pretty

38:27

much the Chorus and kinda like just my young

38:30

American. Yeah. Yeah. You just vibe on

38:32

being a young American. You don't listen to the right person.

38:34

No, man. In fact, I need to get back in

38:36

my spot here. I need to get back up. I'm getting mad.

38:38

Just thinking about the the

38:40

verses. Yeah. But this

38:42

one, whoa.

38:44

Those beautiful wings. Yeah. No. No, man. I'm

38:46

gonna just get some energy going.

38:49

Right. Right. It's

38:51

tight. We're about to get to a

38:54

bridge here. Turn it over to

38:56

Sandborn for about four bars here. Just

38:58

let this

39:00

man blow. listen to this. Unreal. I

39:02

I left this line.

39:04

You win them. Consider a

39:06

punch up that's all sex a

39:08

lot. President Nixon. Sorry. I had a

39:11

password, Nixon. That's like he's talking

39:13

to the American people. Yeah.

39:15

I like yeah. He's like Yeah. He's like, you're absolutely right. He say he started

39:18

finger wagging there. He's looking directly every

39:20

Americans. He seemed to be

39:22

like both. The rest of

39:24

the song is, like, Us Americans. And

39:26

all of a sudden, he's, like,

39:28

Richard Nixon. He couldn't help it.

39:30

He couldn't help it. He couldn't help it. He wanted to

39:32

go Springsteen and just talk about Little Billy and Sally

39:34

Mae and how they got Preggy

39:35

too early and oh, what

39:37

a hardship for the working class and all of a sudden

39:39

he was like, you

39:42

know what? your president Nixon. Well, you can

39:44

wag your finger. All you want at us,

39:46

David Boat. It takes a dark turn. And in in a couple

39:48

years, you're gonna,

39:50

you know, Okay. Look in

39:52

the mirror. You're gonna murder thatcher. How are you

39:54

gonna feel about that, David? Wow. I

39:56

think if you ever adopt

39:58

a persona called the thin

39:59

white dupe Yeah. Maybe maybe

40:02

you're kinda like setting yourself up for

40:04

some major no nos. Seems

40:06

like, you

40:08

know, like, eugenicist? Yeah. Sounds like you're maybe eugenicist

40:10

or maybe the next thing you know you're

40:12

telling the press and an interview

40:16

that Britain would benefit from a fascist

40:18

leader. Don't Don't

40:20

Don't And that that item

40:23

is wrong. I think the thin white duke

40:25

could be a good nickname for Margaret Thatcher.

40:28

Sounds like a Margaret like Margaret Thatcher's

40:30

like secret

40:32

assassin or something that, like, Margaret Thatcher. Like, send

40:34

me one in my duke. She's like Sounds

40:36

like a duke to East Berlin. Sounds

40:38

like a James Bond movie.

40:40

Yeah.

40:40

Yes. It sounds like the bad characters on him. And why drew And

40:43

that's what he should've played the character

40:45

too. Yeah. He was in yeah. Just put him in

40:47

the same get up as a labyrinth.

40:50

see how that works in a Wasn't the joke? what are John Wayne's nicknames?

40:52

Wasn't John Wayne's the Duke. Right? I've

40:54

I thought thin white Duke was maybe drawn from

40:58

that because David Bowie took his own pseudonym

41:00

from Jim -- America. -- Bowie, the famous

41:02

-- Yeah. -- alamo

41:04

hero and famous person stabber --

41:06

Wow. -- favorite. Yeah. Just famous

41:08

for stabbing. So you know David

41:10

Bowie loves cowboy stuff. Love And did you

41:12

start us? He was taken from an

41:14

American guy. There's like a

41:16

outsider musician Really? Guy who

41:18

had starred us in his name, and he he

41:20

he crept that from him.

41:22

Mhmm. So he does love

41:24

young Americans. You love it. Like jimbo, the famous Jabber. But the thin white

41:26

duke ended up like basically that it

41:28

was while it was the thin white duke in the late

41:30

seventies that he kind of started

41:32

getting fascist like,

41:34

literally. And then he ended up like Yeah. He

41:36

but Well, he told people that Britain should have a

41:38

fascist leader. Oh, he did. I didn't know. No. He

41:40

has a joke. Yeah. No. That's real.

41:43

But

41:43

but he basically blamed it in the

41:45

end on two things. First of all, he was like,

41:47

well, I'm addicted to cocaine. Mhmm. Sure. Yeah. And

41:49

he also blamed it. The city

41:51

of Los Angeles. Wow. I think, basically, for providing

41:54

him with the cocaine. Then what is

41:56

he? Listen, there's nothing else. for

41:58

Nixon. Nixon was Exactly. Tread our

42:00

past. Yeah. So

42:02

he he He left Los Angeles. I tried my best. He moved back to

42:04

Europe and he said something. This is amazing thing to

42:06

say when you're leaving

42:08

-- Mhmm. -- the mindset of being a

42:10

fascist. He said that Los Angeles

42:12

should be he said

42:14

the fucking

42:15

place should be wiped off the face of the

42:17

year. Wow. Well, it's cold. It's

42:19

like Very little. I don't know if you've left

42:21

the fascist mindset yet. If you're

42:24

saying Los Angeles should be like Yeah. He's at least

42:26

lobbying to become an honorary

42:28

New Yorker. that kind of happened. Yeah. So it was the first

42:30

version to say fun

42:32

have fun hell.

42:35

What is

42:36

that? horrible

42:37

quote about New York and LA. New York is fun hell, and Los Angeles should be fucking

42:39

wiped off the face of the day. Yeah.

42:41

And Los Angeles is

42:43

hell of fun. No. It's like

42:46

it's like I think new

42:48

yeah. Funnel, like, burning heaven

42:50

or something. Shitty heaven. Right? Thank

42:52

you. I needed that sort of desk relaunching help. That's a good. Okay. That's a good

42:54

idea. happen in fun help. You know, I'm rising above

42:57

this beast. There's so much hate

42:59

in this world. We have

43:01

to ride the boat. I

43:04

did wanna say that I who among us has

43:06

not done cocaine and then felt a

43:08

little fascist. It's one of the side

43:10

effects. It's one of the side effects. like, you really

43:12

wanna strive to go test it. Guys, don't do drugs. Don't do

43:14

drugs. Don't do drugs. Don't get

43:16

addicted cocaine. Or

43:18

the next thing you know, you're gonna be telling me, like, we believe

43:20

that you think Britain should

43:22

have a fascist dictator. Oh,

43:25

man, we really went off the grid on this

43:28

bridge here. Okay. Yeah. Americans

43:30

don't like being fingerwagged at

43:32

anything to go on. Even if

43:34

Nixon sucks, if

43:43

this is like him shaming us for getting avocado toast, back

43:45

off, Bowie. It's also Wait. Wait.

43:47

Modulation happens. It's kinda pausing for the It's

43:49

also very like, what

43:52

the normal people are stressed about. They're

43:55

stressed about. Oh. Does it

43:57

burn the ocean? Your filters?

44:00

Bill. People have to pay bills. That must be

44:02

hard for them. Write that down. I think the

44:04

other I think the original was Do

44:08

you remember to yell at your

44:10

butler. That was the

44:12

first draft too. Remember?

44:16

To park your Chevrolet. Yep.

44:19

four wrong years. Do you remember?

44:21

You got stuck in the gondola on

44:23

the Tim's way. No. No. No. No.

44:26

No. Get that. America.

44:28

The custodian. that's doing. Like, guys, we're a limey,

44:30

fast handling ethnic music, and

44:32

the age of music, dude. Dude, dude.

44:34

Dude, dude.

44:38

This is his word. It's not mine. Never yours. Let me spin it

44:40

back just so you can hear this key change. It's so

44:42

satisfying. You come right out of this bridge

44:45

onto the last first in a new You're fresh key.

44:48

You got

44:51

the Tom Phil. I mean, the

44:53

hook is amazing. He sounds great. He sounds

44:56

great. He's belting it out and it's and it's he's

44:58

just got so much energy in breaking his voice.

45:00

You ain't a pill. but what are these lyrics? What

45:02

the hell is he talking about? We just heard

45:05

yeah. We just heard this first this first

45:07

couple here. Okay. You ain't a Pimp and

45:09

you ain't a hustler of

45:11

his coming out of David Bowie's mouth. A pimps got

45:13

a caddy. What do Americans

45:16

do? What do Americans

45:18

do? You're talking about is he trying

45:20

to be ironic about our

45:22

depiction, about black exploitation.

45:24

What is he attempting

45:27

here? Oh my god. It's

45:30

so it's

45:31

so intense. It's so

45:33

intense.

45:33

It still feels finger wacky here

45:36

because he's saying you ain't this and you ain't that. Oh,

45:38

there's also lyric about black

45:40

cat respect and white cat has a

45:42

soul train, but that's like talking about white

45:44

Americans co opting black culture. I

45:46

think so. But

45:48

he also is doing Had just been on soul train. Right? Yeah. But he was very he

45:50

was very proud that he was one of the

45:52

first white people named the first

45:54

white person to appear on self

45:56

train on the fashion fashion fashion fashion fashion. As a as

45:58

a nerd, this isn't even that

46:00

nerdy of a thing.

46:02

I I stick on the on the metaphor, I stick

46:04

online -- Mhmm. -- because famously, Soul Train

46:06

was one of the

46:08

major pieces

46:10

of of media that was founded and owned by

46:12

a black person. Yeah. Like like a

46:14

guy went out on a limb and, like, invested to make

46:16

sole training was this huge

46:19

number said there was some I don't know. There was some, like, second rate

46:21

streaming show about this recently on Hulu or something.

46:24

Hulu is first rate, Andrew.

46:26

So how All I'm all I'm

46:28

saying is that

46:30

kudos to that man who was a black man

46:32

who invented and created Soltrein and

46:34

was told he would fail and instead was a huge success. So that leaves

46:37

us with being confused about this line where it seems

46:39

like it's a reference to himself being the white

46:41

guy that got on Soltrein. Yeah.

46:43

I guess. I I know. trillion is right that

46:45

it's about white people coop. You're

46:48

not this. You're not this.

46:50

Mhmm. Like, I don't know. It's also

46:52

interesting that a

46:52

lot of this song feels like it's speaking to white people.

46:55

What is Okay. The last line

46:57

in this stands up, mom has

46:59

got cramps and looks look

47:01

at your hands. Let me play it

47:03

real

47:04

quick. What

47:10

is that? Mama's got cramps and is are we

47:12

talking about menstrual cramps? Are we back on the

47:14

original pregnancy? I think it's

47:16

just like back cramps.

47:18

Why?

47:18

why

47:19

Why? Yeah. She's still out of the wash. She's

47:21

working so hard. Yeah. I think it's like She's on the

47:23

factory floor manufacturing bathrooms. I think at this point,

47:25

some of the overnight

47:28

recordings you know, session. Some of the cocaine is starting to kick in. I think he's just

47:30

I think he's just riven. I think he's talk This could be

47:32

a rare I think he's riven. I think he's making no

47:34

one can see it, but I think he's making this face

47:36

the whole time, like, Like, like, really,

47:39

like, is this right? I I think this is one. Right? He's like,

47:41

is this This is America? This

47:44

is work. Molly's

47:46

got cramps in. Look at your hands in. I'd

47:48

be okay. You could be right. He's just throwing

47:50

some wet paper in the line. I I think this

47:52

is one of those situations where we're,

47:55

you know, you know, rightfully trying

47:58

to put on our our spectacles

47:59

and pour over the lyrics because it's our

48:02

job

48:02

it's our job to have opinions. Yeah.

48:04

But, you know, you're writing rock and roll lyrics. Maybe you're just

48:06

maybe you're just singing something that

48:08

that sounds good. And moments

48:11

have cramps in the And you're also now you're in the third person.

48:13

You're in the third person. Maybe things are starting

48:15

to unravel We're over here overthinking

48:18

something that he emperor buzz. Congratulations.

48:20

That's just I think we could just look a lot

48:22

of these. It's just like he had

48:24

a lot of words he wanted to use.

48:26

and he just found ways for the incidences. I think he

48:28

wanted to say Pimp. I think he wanted to say cramps.

48:31

Sultrain, rice where It's

48:33

a word salad. Man, I

48:36

and it's about to get a little worse. I've hit. Well,

48:38

it's about to go into the reference. Yeah.

48:40

Here's the Beatles reference. Comes up. Back

48:42

it up. Here's the

48:44

Beatles reference right

48:47

here. Which sounds

48:52

great there. The backup singers

48:54

are singing it better than the

48:56

Beatles ever -- I know. -- would or I

48:58

wanna hear this version of

49:00

that song. I heard the

49:02

news today, oh, boy, from day in the life.

49:04

So what is he saying by including this one

49:06

single reference just shoehorning in

49:08

a Beatles thing into this song

49:10

about America? Yeah. That song feels very like

49:12

normal British life. And

49:14

amazing that

49:14

he I mean, I think this

49:16

whole song was recorded

49:17

before he ended up

49:20

like, threw sheer coincidence recording two of the songs on the album with John

49:22

Lennon. Okay. That's pretty amazing that he was just

49:24

like He had to put it in a Beatles record. He quoted Lennon

49:26

and then met Lennon later. We

49:30

got him on the album. I will say if I'm trying to draw a

49:32

connection. Day in the life is very much

49:34

about the futility of the life

49:36

of, like, a normal working class. Yeah.

49:38

Yeah. It's

49:40

about the young Briton. Yeah. So he's just yeah.

49:42

Here he's just bemoaning the life of the

49:45

working class. He's trying

49:48

to write the American version of that song. Yeah.

49:50

Okay. After the Beatles reference, we get a little bit

49:52

more of this

49:54

word salad. kinda

49:56

sweet. You can say no more. You

50:00

can suck on the try. You don't like you don't

50:01

like domestic

50:04

abuse? or finger

50:07

wagging. Okay.

50:11

That can

50:13

make me

50:14

That song you referenced is your favorite rapper,

50:17

he's my father. He's yeah.

50:19

He's like, okay. Can

50:22

I sign a woman. Can I hold a child?

50:24

Luther Band or a child? He walked

50:26

away from this recording session

50:28

thinking, I've That's a good

50:30

idea. that would make David Bowie break

50:32

down. Right. Well, Luther

50:34

Vanderrauss walked away from the session and was like, what if

50:36

I sing a normal song.

50:40

A song that wasn't about sucking a woman in

50:42

the shower, holding a

50:44

child. Just some basic bedroom

50:46

lover stuff. Yeah. I think there

50:48

well, I I don't know. I I think

50:50

he's I think he's just

50:51

throwing things out there. I think he's

50:54

trying to

50:55

capture the American

50:57

experience with these lines. I

50:59

think this this whole song makes me

51:01

really think about like Manhattan.

51:04

Yeah. And, like, because there's so many bridges. so many bridges. And

51:07

yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And, like, Chicago,

51:09

it's just, like, and

51:11

Philly. It's like very it's such a city song. It's like

51:14

in no way about

51:16

rural America, which I can't

51:18

speak to personally, but this song feels

51:20

very like or or

51:22

like San Francisco. That's the bridge

51:24

in my head, the golden capri. To

51:26

me, it feels like -- Yeah. -- it's

51:28

set in a suburb that's

51:30

immediately outside a major city.

51:32

Uh-huh. And this person

51:34

says, like, oh yeah, I'm from Philly. But if you

51:36

scratch the surface, like, grant. A little

51:38

deeper, they live in, like,

51:40

media. Yeah. Right. And they go

51:42

into fly I like to go into Philly

51:44

on the weekend,

51:46

but, like, They live in they live in media. What an accusation? Yeah.

51:48

And that's like a sub You're a tough

51:50

tough blue collar guy drinking his

51:52

brews at

51:54

Pappoos. The I I love the cutout moment where

51:56

there's just, like, the little breakdown for for him

51:58

to scream and show off his voice a little bit.

52:00

Ain't that one damn song that can make

52:04

break down it. Nature's just concentrate. It's just a little

52:06

soul ad lib is like this is like

52:08

I can actually sing this is my

52:12

homage to, like, all the soul belters that I'm trying to emulate here. Then he

52:14

gets to the rest of the song, he just ad limit

52:16

it out.

52:20

Just lets the backup singers just show off. This song sounds great.

52:22

I love this song.

52:25

One really funny thing

52:27

about this recording session that Well, a

52:29

thing I learned about the difference in recording is that this

52:31

recording session really weirded Bowie out

52:33

because when you

52:36

at the time when you recorded in UK, the

52:38

engineer would add the reverb

52:40

live. So you can see yourself. She went back

52:42

and listened to it and you listened to your takes and you

52:44

were like, This is what is gonna sound

52:46

like on record. Yeah. Right. So And in the United

52:48

States at the time, the standard was

52:50

what it still is, which is like you record

52:52

yourself clean. and then you add the reverb

52:54

later and you can add you can change the amount of

52:56

reverb. Mhmm. So it, like, it freaks David

52:58

Bowie out to, like, listen back to his queen vocals.

53:00

Like, he hadn't heard his queen vocals on an album

53:02

and, like, and, like, ten percent Generally,

53:04

it sounds worse. Yeah. It sounds worse. That's why it doesn't sound bad. Yeah. It

53:06

freaked him out. But does I mean, the whole this

53:09

song just sounds sounds

53:12

great. It does. It is Mhmm. Unfortunately, we

53:14

listen closely to it, and now we feel judged by

53:16

David Bowie. And I and I just feel

53:18

like philosophically,

53:20

David Bowie is really

53:22

panning himself on the back

53:24

for achieving

53:24

a goal that

53:26

perhaps he didn't achieve because maybe he wrote

53:28

his Bruce Springsteen song. Now

53:31

every week, we take one of gray's hits in

53:33

the history of music -- Mhmm. -- and make it even

53:35

greater. We punch it up. Mhmm. But I have a

53:37

different goal this week,

53:40

which is I'm hoping that the punch will make Julian cry.

53:42

Wow. I hope -- Wow. -- that we

53:44

ain't there one gosh

53:46

darn punch up. -- punch up. That can make me

53:48

break down. Yeah. my

53:50

dream. It's never happened

53:51

before. Wow. I'm excited to hear.

53:53

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53:55

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talk about what

56:29

we did. We absolutely one hundred

56:31

percent punched up

56:34

this classic song, the song that debuted Bowie in America.

56:36

It's much better. I

56:38

would say we finally achieved

56:41

for

56:41

the first time

56:44

ever David Bowie's goal of

56:46

his words,

56:47

not mine.

56:48

Singing being

56:52

British people, singing,

56:54

acting music in the age of music. Mhmm. His words

56:56

aren't mine. I'll tell you what I wanted to change

56:58

about it was how complainy and

57:00

finger wacky and judgey David Bowie is

57:02

about the lifestyle of working class Americans

57:05

who think they can achieve the American

57:07

dream, but can't. And basically to me,

57:09

this is now a cold take. Perhaps it

57:11

was fresh in the seventies. Here we are,

57:13

forty, fifty years later, and everyone knows that capitalism sucks and

57:15

is not working for people. This is a

57:17

cold take. Like, this is we're past

57:19

that. Bowie's song

57:22

is barely post modern to

57:24

to say like America, it's

57:26

so great. We're at this point

57:29

In our culture, we are, like, triple post

57:31

model. He he was barely post Nixon.

57:34

Now we're post Reagan. We're

57:36

post George W. Bush. So many

57:38

presidents We're post we're post

57:40

Obama's not closing Guantanamo

57:42

Bay on day one? We're in

57:44

tan suits? Yeah. We're and

57:46

we're post Donald Trump. Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. Nothing

57:48

to say about Trump. He was a good one. Yeah. You're

57:51

gonna have to change

57:53

that pop spring the

57:56

pop a pop a I made a hit the tick on my pop screen.

57:58

Okay. So basically, we rewrote the

58:00

song with some things that actually

58:03

need criticized. I cannot wait to hear it. Here

58:05

it

58:06

is.

58:07

I just

58:10

know what is gonna come and it's

58:13

not. So Yeah. But it

58:15

feels good. You can leave this in. But leave in

58:17

the sack. Hopefully, it'll make you cry. Now

58:22

this is

58:27

the fun disaster. my

58:30

bed. I got

58:32

locked

58:32

out. Can you help? She took

58:34

his word. Took

58:36

the bed. I got

58:38

tintages and no rounding

58:40

up. Oh

58:43

my god. you

58:47

come to a young, not jewelry. The freedom of being able

58:49

to write a a song without rhymes shouldn't even

58:51

be like, oh,

58:54

it's you're right. It's major rubber cross tennis within that down

58:56

energy. You can really just

58:58

go down any path. years.

59:01

We'll She loves it on his my

59:04

background. They look like

59:06

just twenty

59:08

years, but He will

59:10

submit nine. Oh, god.

59:12

Yeah. If he lied about

59:14

his age, that's a left

59:17

swipe. Yeah. You'll probably you'll probably show up on the day.

59:19

Realize he's a young millennial if you're already

59:21

there. This is terrible. Oh,

59:30

are you gonna you got it. that

59:34

the tasty sack solo. That's holy one nineties

59:36

his

59:36

pack could be. Who could be

59:39

playing sack? Do you remember?

59:44

Your president it to kill my god the whole time. No. No.

59:46

No. No. No. No.

59:48

No. No. No. No. No. No.

59:50

No. No. Leave a chance. If you know

59:53

about Bill Clinton, you're old. Yeah. You know about if

59:55

you know about the

59:58

Arsenal show?

1:00:02

Very different

1:00:07

beetles,

1:00:09

whatever. Next

1:00:12

week. Yeah.

1:00:13

Can't have a

1:00:16

child that could

1:00:19

be either rock.

1:00:21

my part this

1:00:24

year. Hey, dear, one

1:00:26

time. Take talk that can make

1:00:28

me break

1:00:30

down and

1:00:32

subscribe This was so

1:00:35

good. When

1:00:40

you cross over from

1:00:42

the TikTok hitting your

1:00:44

four u page to finally

1:00:46

finally hitting the subscribe button.

1:00:49

Alright.

1:00:53

This is

1:00:57

leaving me with a big dot. I hope

1:01:00

this is an offensive, but it's

1:01:01

-- Oh, you know what? -- meaningfully on the

1:01:03

nose and I wonder If

1:01:05

all the things -- Mhmm. -- in Bowie's

1:01:08

song were painfully on the

1:01:10

nose. Like, when he goes, a pimps

1:01:12

got up Caddy and a lady

1:01:14

I I it's been said a million

1:01:16

times. Everyone's always

1:01:20

making that joke because everybody

1:01:22

at that time had a chrysler. Yeah. Ain't

1:01:24

there a child I can hold on a judging.

1:01:28

It me. It me. I'm always judging children.

1:01:32

It's me. IRL. I like

1:01:35

how the one the the beautiful

1:01:37

thing is that the beetles have become no less relevant. That's beautiful. Yeah.

1:01:39

You can't change the beetles

1:01:41

reference. You should have a beetles reference.

1:01:43

You should have put like Charlie

1:01:46

Pouf. Wow. This is

1:01:48

a lot. We should have. We

1:01:51

should have. But if you took

1:01:54

out the day in the life references,

1:01:56

just it's been a long

1:01:58

day.

1:01:59

Yeah. Because this is a long day when you're grinding. None

1:02:02

stop. Yep. mama's got crabs and look at his hands ache. There's one thing

1:02:04

we can all agree on and that's that hustle

1:02:06

culture sucks. Yeah. That's what we're finger

1:02:09

wagging about today. not finger wagging about capitalism

1:02:11

in the collapse anymore. You're working as a janitor on the bathroom

1:02:14

floor good on you. Mhmm. We

1:02:16

won't

1:02:16

wag our finger at you. But if you're

1:02:18

trying Wag

1:02:20

our finger at you for having to have a side hustle. We will

1:02:22

wag our finger at you for bragging about

1:02:24

your side hustle -- Yeah. -- on your

1:02:27

on Instagram. Yeah. This song is

1:02:29

punched up, guys. I think it's

1:02:31

great. Yeah. It was fresh. Mhmm.

1:02:33

I like the I

1:02:35

like the, like, millennial Gen Z conversation

1:02:37

going on. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah.

1:02:39

Some generational warfare. And

1:02:43

background vocals still slap, if I do

1:02:45

say, so myself. Blap off. Yeah.

1:02:48

We didn't get Julian to cry. So

1:02:50

I think always regarded as failure. I will once I leave. Okay.

1:02:52

Okay. Send us a

1:02:54

picture. We'll post it on the show's Instagram.

1:02:56

I think what it is.

1:02:58

is that I thought I was Gen Z and that I knew who Clinton was.

1:03:02

Have

1:03:08

you ever watched it episode of the Arsenal Hall show? I've

1:03:11

seen YouTube clips. I

1:03:14

think I've done this.

1:03:17

Well, I don't know. I think you watch the Arsenal Hall show, you're probably

1:03:19

a old millennial. I know I am, Gen

1:03:22

Z, but maybe you're

1:03:24

introducing a new Like, cut your cusp.

1:03:26

You're you're like absentancy, just like

1:03:28

I'm a custom millennial. Yeah.

1:03:30

Wow. I feel like I'm I'm a man

1:03:32

without a nation on I was born in the

1:03:34

nineties, but don't know the nineties.

1:03:36

You know? But a lot of my

1:03:38

friends have in this conversation.

1:03:39

That early two thousand culture is literally just

1:03:41

nineties culture. Yeah. And I have a

1:03:43

long standing theory

1:03:44

that decades start

1:03:46

in the fourth year. Right. Like, if you see a picture from nineteen fifty four.

1:03:48

Yeah. That's like what? A hundred percent people will be

1:03:50

like, oh, a picture from the nineteen fifties. It's

1:03:53

only when sixty four hits that people start growing their

1:03:55

hair -- Exactly. -- years long, you know. Rachel

1:03:57

didn't do her haircut until November nineteen

1:03:59

ninety wow three.

1:04:02

Wow. Yeah. So

1:04:02

two thousand two thousand three still the nineties culturally.

1:04:04

Culturally? That was fifteen. Yeah. The

1:04:06

odds hit in two thousand four.

1:04:09

Julian.

1:04:09

Thanks so much for coming

1:04:11

on. It's

1:04:11

honestly a shame we have to be so

1:04:14

much. But thanks for bringing young Americans. I loved

1:04:16

it as well. I love it. Savage pin. Loved

1:04:18

it. I and I love your hot take that

1:04:20

David Bowie sucks. He sucks.

1:04:22

I I He's

1:04:26

an embarrassment. you know, I said the biggest

1:04:28

lever of David Bowie. I I recently on the podcast shared

1:04:30

an opinion that I acknowledged was bad.

1:04:32

I said, I have a bad opinion.

1:04:35

I wish I knew this is wrong.

1:04:37

I wish my opinion was different even. Mhmm.

1:04:39

And my opinion was that I don't really like prints. I

1:04:41

was like, doesn't really hit you're I like

1:04:43

it. And people were mad about it even though, like, I wasn't saying,

1:04:45

like, like I said, that's a bad opinion.

1:04:47

Yeah. I wish my opinion was different,

1:04:49

and you knew it. don't even I

1:04:51

wouldn't Prince. don't I don't regard him to be as, like,

1:04:53

a god tier -- I like rock up her french songs. Yeah.

1:04:55

-- but I'm also,

1:04:58

you know, I haven't gone as deep in

1:05:00

his music. I shouldn't talk more about it because it made

1:05:02

people so mad, but

1:05:03

-- White dragon. -- what I was trying to say

1:05:05

what do I was trying to say is Every week,

1:05:07

we finished the podcast with a little segment called walk in

1:05:09

music. What is your walk

1:05:11

in music? And it's a segment where

1:05:13

we talk

1:05:14

about a

1:05:17

scenario that we're walking into, hopefully fictional and

1:05:19

hopefully hilarious. Good luck. Oh.

1:05:21

Oh. And what

1:05:24

song we would play could be you're walking into a worldwide wrestling

1:05:26

match. Yeah. And smashing someone over the

1:05:28

the head with a folding chair. you

1:05:31

could be the closing picture for the

1:05:34

Metz in game six of the world series --

1:05:36

Uh-huh. -- etcetera. Okay.

1:05:38

My scenario this week is

1:05:41

I've accidentally become a fascist because of my rage and cocaine

1:05:43

addiction. And so I'm moving from

1:05:45

my home back

1:05:48

to Europe. That's

1:05:49

relaxing. It doesn't feel very

1:05:52

fascist. Very smooth. Could be

1:05:54

fascist, but

1:05:56

very much coming down from a cocaine high. Yeah. I can. This

1:05:58

is more of a sedatives. You're like

1:06:00

on the airplane. Yeah.

1:06:03

Snorting off the boat. They're

1:06:06

they're they're telling you to put up

1:06:08

the tray table and it's

1:06:10

just like white. What is the name of this

1:06:12

track unit? What are we what are we

1:06:14

listening to? Let's let the

1:06:16

horse announce it. I hear it.

1:06:18

I think we're almost four more

1:06:20

bars here.

1:06:22

I love them a lot. Thanks. Talk

1:06:25

to you later. Right? War drug

1:06:27

feels looser just listening to

1:06:30

this.

1:06:32

freezy.

1:06:39

Oh,

1:06:42

I go by the way. Leave in LA.

1:06:44

This is leaving LA. Yeah. By

1:06:46

the band deliverance. songs I've

1:06:48

always loved and then I discovered earlier

1:06:50

today when I Googled songs

1:06:53

about leaving LA. That's one

1:06:55

of my favorite songs. Really?

1:06:58

Well, you got me. Well, this is

1:07:00

the second hit after a thirteen minute

1:07:02

song. Also called leave in LA by

1:07:04

Josh Tillman. Wow. pathogen misty and

1:07:06

I said, I'll go with the short one.

1:07:08

It's also extremely smooth and felt very

1:07:10

similar. And then fit into the app for me, I

1:07:12

wanna say it's sort of a walkout song, so

1:07:14

I'll do my flip on your idea which is becoming This

1:07:16

is just a walk in song

1:07:18

to being an American,

1:07:20

a young American, rolling

1:07:24

up into Britain where you can enjoy the

1:07:25

pleasures of being an

1:07:28

attractive

1:07:28

foreigner. k? Everyone loves it.

1:07:31

when a comes here and talks in their funny accent. Here

1:07:34

I am. You know this song. You

1:07:36

love it when this thing comes on. This is

1:07:38

me stepping

1:07:40

foot. into the

1:07:41

arrivals terminal. Does the number

1:07:43

one check? Oh, yeah. Yes. This

1:07:45

is me, the American

1:07:48

boy. Here to and

1:07:50

seduce your women with

1:07:52

my flat affect and

1:07:54

accent from the mid

1:07:56

Atlantic states. This is like the opposite of

1:07:58

the of, like, the of

1:08:00

the low class guys from love

1:08:02

actually who go

1:08:04

to America to pick up girls

1:08:06

because they're a lot they they could talk about this

1:08:08

in their British accents and all the

1:08:10

American girls are like, oh, you're British. Yeah.

1:08:12

But the principal is the same. Yeah. Say,

1:08:14

yeah. Yes. Yeah. You're exactly right. And this is

1:08:16

me being a young

1:08:17

American boy and not

1:08:20

worried about losing my

1:08:22

American dream. I'm achieving it. just by

1:08:24

going to Britain. That's my scenario. Right. Thank you. Yeah.

1:08:26

Thank you so much. Yeah. Everybody is twenty percent sexier in

1:08:30

foreign nations. I think so. That's -- Yeah. -- that's the law. Right?

1:08:33

That's It's a matter

1:08:35

of right now.

1:08:38

Cancelling my flight. Yeah. I can't take away the answer. Julie,

1:08:40

what's your scenario? You guys seem

1:08:42

like

1:08:42

your address prepared. My scenario,

1:08:45

which I'm coming up with

1:08:47

the little bomber fly, is

1:08:49

this song is for my alternate

1:08:51

reality of myself

1:08:54

where I'm incredibly toxic.

1:08:56

And III

1:09:00

guilt people into loving me. Mhmm. Okay. And

1:09:02

so this is a I'm at

1:09:05

the the

1:09:06

hunger goes cafe and park slope.

1:09:10

Okay. And this

1:09:12

this person who I've

1:09:15

been crushing on hard turn

1:09:16

me down. And

1:09:17

and I just I I come in and I asked the Hunter

1:09:19

Growth Cafe to play this

1:09:23

song. and it's subliminal.

1:09:23

So it's subliminal message. Coffee shop very often.

1:09:26

I love it. Yeah. Let's hear

1:09:28

it. Well And

1:09:30

I just kinda look at

1:09:32

them. and do that face

1:09:34

that Bowie makes you just like, is this right?

1:09:37

because this song

1:09:40

is about being

1:09:42

alone in sad and I'm better than that. Yeah.

1:09:47

because I'm an of a person. Yeah. They're

1:09:50

gonna be alone inside with that. Gotta say it's it's pretty off putting. What what what are

1:09:54

we listening to? I will listen to Jonathan Richmond's a

1:09:57

plea for tenderness from

1:09:59

his live

1:09:59

album with the

1:10:02

modern lovers.

1:10:03

If you can. Wow. Very strange.

1:10:05

It's not a good litmus

1:10:08

test.

1:10:08

If this if

1:10:10

this person is for you,

1:10:12

they'll bonds do it. This is a great

1:10:14

If there's talk This is a culture mechanism. Yeah. This is a litmus test. It's not like a vibey

1:10:16

song. I don't know if,

1:10:19

like, I I only have

1:10:22

been a song to laugh. Well, you know, every song is vibey depending on what vibe you're going for.

1:10:25

This is

1:10:28

a type vibration that

1:10:30

pushes me away. Yeah. I mean, it's

1:10:32

it's perfect for your

1:10:34

toxic alter ego because it's

1:10:39

he's just, like, listen to the words. It's like a neg.

1:10:41

It's like a neg. It's the ultimate The

1:10:43

ultimate neg in song.

1:10:45

Well, Yeah. It the purpose

1:10:48

is nice to make someone feel bad. Great

1:10:50

pick. Yeah. Julian, I have to say it's

1:10:52

been such a pleasure to surf through this

1:10:54

Bowie song with you, but I know you as a David Bowie fan and thank you so much for lending us

1:11:00

your knowledge but we only did

1:11:01

the one song. What else could you say about Like, what are your

1:11:03

top

1:11:03

five David Bowie songs? Yes. This is

1:11:05

very important. My top five David

1:11:08

Bowie songs none of

1:11:10

which will be ones that you maybe have heard

1:11:12

of. Okay? That might be condescending. It's a brag. Wow. It's a brag. I

1:11:14

would say, a conversation piece. Haven't heard of it? No. No. I didn't.

1:11:16

word

1:11:19

on a wing. Haven't heard of him zeros? Mhmm. Now I'm just

1:11:22

questioning that I host

1:11:23

a music podcast and

1:11:25

sound and vision. don't you have. Okay. We know it sound a vision. Yeah. Those are

1:11:28

my favorite songs and none of them are

1:11:30

hits. Wow. Listen to all of them. They're

1:11:32

really good. Yeah. That was

1:11:34

And That was a saucy time. Fantastic. Yeah.

1:11:36

Mhmm. Oh, b. Hi. Well, this

1:11:38

was so much fun. Thank you very

1:11:40

much. Where can people follow you? This

1:11:42

is crucial. I mean, if you will you prefer a recess therapy? Or

1:11:45

would they prefer that they that they follow

1:11:47

your Fin stub? What's your Fin stub? Oh,

1:11:49

follow Say it say it on

1:11:51

say it on Mike. so your parents

1:11:53

can follow your fenced.

1:11:55

My fenceda is at

1:11:57

dirty boy seven. No.

1:12:00

Wow. It's got seven

1:12:02

accounts. So read the room. My real Instagram is

1:12:08

at julian

1:12:08

MSB My

1:12:10

shows page is at recess

1:12:12

underscore therapy. You can also

1:12:15

get to my page.

1:12:16

through that page.

1:12:18

Great. And we'll link to it in the show So

1:12:21

let's just go follow research. very strong recommendation.

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Improve your life by following research. If you

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had missed it, go watch Julian's interview with tree is

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trash on it. And credit. It's the many commentators even. And that

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Digital observers are saying it's the most wholesome

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moment. People like it. People like it.

1:12:34

People like it. We all did a good

1:12:36

job. people like that. And the last thing I'll

1:12:38

plug just before we get out is the Bowie documentary is coming out I think this month. Oh,

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this is the most wholesome plug of

1:12:42

someone else's content. That's really beautiful. watch

1:12:46

that. I really get all of our punch ups

1:12:48

on our patreon dot com slash

1:12:50

Gregory Brothers. This has been punch

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up the jam. and punch it.

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Yeah. Yeah. We punched it. We punched

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it. We punched it. We punched it. Now we're gonna get

1:12:59

up and dance. We punched it. You

1:13:03

got it that we punched it. Now you're obligated. You gotta go out there and follow all

1:13:05

the things. You get up the Patreon. It was him, but

1:13:07

you gotta sub the Patreon. It's in

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the single son. Yeah. Yeah. You have

1:13:12

to. It's in the

1:13:14

song you got to finally sub the patron. Mhmm. But listening to punch up the

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jam. That

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was

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a hit gum original.