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0:01
Something strange is going on. Who
0:04
is killing Russian billionaires?
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Another Russian oligarch has been found dead.
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Reports suggests that he hanged himself, fell
0:11
out of a window, slashed his wrists,
0:13
was poisoned, murdered his whole family.
0:16
Last year, more than a dozen Russian oligarchs
0:19
died in the space of nine months.
0:22
Many of the deaths are suspicious with
0:24
links to the Kremlin. This
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is sad Oligach, an investigation
0:29
into.
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These recently dead Russian billionaires.
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It's created by me Jake Hanrahan and
0:35
my colleague Sergey Slipchenkov. Sad
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Oligarch is a H eleven production for
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Kulsomidia and iHeart Radio. In
0:51
the space of a year, more than a dozen rich
0:54
Russian businessmen have died in either
0:56
brutal or mysterious circumstances.
1:00
Fell out of windows, some had heart
1:02
attacks, and a few even
1:04
killed their whole families before
1:06
committing suicide. The official
1:08
line from the Russian authorities is that most
1:11
of these deaths were accidents
1:13
or violent consequences of mental
1:15
illness, and maybe that's true.
1:18
But considering the majority of these dead
1:20
rich Russians are either outright
1:23
oligarchs or have other links to the
1:25
Kremlin. It's possible that something
1:27
much dark it is taking place. These
1:31
deaths have all occurred within the backdrop
1:33
of the Ukraine War, a
1:35
brutal invasion that has shown the whole
1:38
world that Russia's President Putin
1:40
is both ruthless and brazen.
1:44
Maybe the Kremlin has been tying up loose
1:46
ends or making examples of
1:48
those who go against them, as
1:50
several of these dead oligarchs
1:52
have for some war
1:55
can actually be bad for business. In
1:58
this project, Sad Oligarch, I'll
2:00
be investigating the numerous strange
2:03
deaths of these rich Russian businessmen.
2:06
I'll be doing this with my friend and
2:08
colleague, journalist Sergei
2:10
Slipchenko. We believe
2:12
that to understand how these businessmen died
2:15
is to understand more realistically how
2:18
the Kremlin truly operates. Now,
2:21
of course, we're not the only reporters to have
2:23
done this. We're relying on the work
2:25
of many other sources and people
2:27
who are helping us, some of
2:29
them can't be named. To
2:35
appreciate the relevance of these
2:37
deaths, I think it's best to first understand
2:40
the role of the oligarch within Russia.
2:43
Now side note, we do have oligarchy
2:46
in the West as well, we just
2:48
tend to refer to it by different terms,
2:50
such as lobbying. Anyway,
2:53
for this series, we'll be focusing on
2:55
Russia.
2:56
Now.
2:56
Admittedly, not all of the dead Russians
2:59
in this series are necessarily starred
3:01
up oligachs. They've often been
3:03
branded as such by Western media,
3:06
but it doesn't always apply. The
3:08
lines are blurry. We're using the term
3:11
loosely to help understand a
3:13
complicated situation. Ultimately,
3:15
though, all the dead businessmen were
3:18
wealthy via employment in Kremlin
3:20
linked business or otherwise
3:23
had connections to the Russian government,
3:25
oligach branding or not. But
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what actually is an oligach?
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An oligach put simply is a
3:34
wealthy businessman with deep
3:36
political power and connections to
3:39
government.
3:40
Whilst Russia has.
3:41
A specifically recent history of
3:43
oligachs since the fall of the Soviet
3:46
Union, the oligarch is by no
3:48
means a Russian concept only.
3:51
However, in Russia oligarchs are
3:53
often very useful for the government when
3:55
they're trying to dodge sanctions. This
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is usually due to the complicated rupture
4:00
of their firms and shareholdings.
4:03
We'll go into this in detail in a
4:05
later episode, As you'll
4:07
see, many of the dead Russian
4:09
businessmen of the last twelve months
4:11
shares several characteristics with the
4:14
tried and tested Oligachs.
4:20
One of the first murders we're looking into
4:23
occurred just one month after the Russian
4:25
invasion of Ukraine. This
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is what happened to Vasily Melnikov.
4:32
On March twenty third, twenty twenty
4:34
two, affluent Russian businessman
4:37
Vasily Melnikov, forty one,
4:39
was found dead alongside his family
4:42
in their upscale Moscow apartment
4:45
in the Nisney Novgorod area. The
4:47
family nanny discovered them. They'd
4:49
all been stabbed to death, Vasily,
4:52
his wife, and their two sons, aged
4:55
four and ten years old.
4:58
The killings were brutal and tragic.
5:03
Straight away, some European media
5:05
outlets speculated that it
5:07
could be a contract killing an
5:09
assassination. According to
5:11
the police in Moscow, though it
5:13
was a murder suicide. They state
5:16
that Vasily stabbed his own family
5:18
to death before killing himself,
5:20
also with a knife. Case
5:22
closed. There's
5:25
currently no verified indication as
5:27
to why this atrocity happened.
5:30
Outwardly, things seemed to be going well
5:32
for Vasily Melnikov, him and his
5:34
family had just returned from a luxury holiday
5:36
in the Maldives. Vasily's company,
5:39
Medstom, had just secured a lucrative
5:42
three point five million dollar
5:44
contract. However, despite
5:46
this success, and unnamed source
5:49
told Russian media that Vasily was
5:51
apparently suicidal and had
5:53
confided this to his wife.
5:56
There's no indication though, as to why he would
5:58
so callously take Kisshole
6:00
family with him.
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Now.
6:06
On the face of it, this could just be a
6:08
case of a rich guy who
6:10
went berserk and killed his whole
6:12
family before committing suicide.
6:15
Maybe it really is an open and
6:17
shut case. It's possible. Sadly,
6:20
things like that do happen. However,
6:23
when me and Sergey started looking
6:25
into the Melnikov murder suicide,
6:27
we noticed a few unusual details.
6:30
What specifically caught our eye was
6:33
one of the knives used in the killings.
6:35
In one of the crime scene photos, the
6:37
murder weapon, a tactical style knife,
6:40
was seen resting on a kitchen unit with
6:43
blood on the end of the blade. Molded
6:45
into the handle was the insignia of
6:48
Russia's Special Rapid Response
6:50
Team. They used the acronym
6:52
SOBR, which was
6:55
also visible in the handle of the knife.
6:57
The SOBR or Sobber is
7:00
an elite force in Russia which
7:02
was originally formed to deal with domestic
7:04
anti terrorism situations
7:06
and high level organized crime.
7:09
They even fought against rebels in the
7:11
Chechen and Dagistani wars. The
7:14
knife at the crime scene appears to belong
7:16
to the SOB.
7:17
R Surgery explains
7:20
the knife was like part of the evidence. The Sober
7:22
knife. Sober is Russian
7:24
basically swat. It's like a special
7:27
forces unit in the police. They were disbanded
7:30
after like the early two thousands, but at that
7:32
time they were like the elite kind
7:34
of police, like counter terrorist
7:37
organization. I think I think the West
7:39
also has this where when you join like
7:41
one of these groups, you get like a knife
7:44
kind of like I guess they're like badge
7:46
of honor.
7:47
As Sergei mentioned, the SOB
7:50
was at one point dissolved. This
7:53
was in two thousand and two.
7:55
It was reclassified and given
7:57
a new name later though, in twenty
8:00
twelve and a volved version of
8:02
these units was rearranged more broadly
8:04
as special forces and
8:06
given the old name of the SOBR.
8:10
Whilst under different branches of control,
8:13
the new SOBR is in
8:15
many ways the same as the original.
8:18
In twenty twenty two, SOBR
8:20
units took part in Russia's invasion
8:23
of Ukraine. It seems that the
8:25
idea was that they'd be put in place
8:27
to crush riots in Kiev once
8:30
the Russian military had taken the city.
8:32
The Kremlin believed this would happen quickly.
8:35
They were wrong. Ukrainian military
8:38
and armed volunteers defended the capitol
8:41
over a year later. The nearest Russian
8:43
position is around five hundred
8:45
kilometers away from Kiev.
8:48
During the initial attacks on Kiev
8:50
and February twenty twenty two, there
8:52
are reports the whole unit of the SOBR
8:55
was killed on the outskirts of the city.
9:00
The SOOBR a
9:02
knife of theirs is clearly not
9:04
your average homewhere item. Yet
9:07
this was the hand allegedly for
9:09
Vasily Melnikov when he killed
9:11
his whole family and then himself.
9:14
What they found out the scene was a sober knife.
9:18
Yeah.
9:18
Here it says they were multiple. I know it's but this
9:20
one was specifically photographed and it
9:22
caught my attention because like you could see the insignia
9:25
on it, whereas the other knives are just kind
9:27
of plain, and you
9:29
know, this could be a replica. It
9:31
could be something he was gifted, But
9:33
it's just interesting that he has this potentially
9:36
memorabilia, potentially an actual
9:39
knife from the group. From what I can tell,
9:41
he wasn't a part of anything. He wasn't a part of
9:43
like any police units, any
9:46
of these special forces. But I mean
9:48
technically that is the only way you get one like
9:50
a legitimate one, right, But again, who.
9:52
Knows where this knife is actually
9:54
from is important If it's genuine.
9:57
At the very least, it shows
9:59
a Vasily meli Kov had some connection
10:02
to someone who was once a member
10:04
of the soob Ah, even
10:07
if he just bought it from them as a
10:09
collectible or was gifted it. And if
10:11
it wasn't Vasili's knife, whose
10:13
was it. Over
10:33
the last decade of my career
10:35
as a journalist, I've covered
10:37
dozens of wards on the ground all
10:39
over the world, from the trenches
10:42
of East Ukraine to the barricades
10:44
of East Jerusalem. I've
10:46
never actually seen any fighters
10:48
put that much value into a combat
10:51
knife other than it being a useful
10:53
tool. I've seen people cut
10:55
rope with them or open it kind of food,
10:58
but otherwise it's hardly used as
11:00
a weapon on the front lines. If
11:02
anything, I've seen them passed around
11:04
a few times as a sort of collectible
11:07
or war trophy, but generally,
11:09
in my experience at least, it's
11:11
something.
11:12
Fighters will have at war.
11:13
But again, it's just more of
11:15
a tool than anything else. So
11:19
perhaps Vasily Melnikov fought
11:21
somewhere and picked this knife
11:23
up along the way and kept it as
11:26
a sort of souvenir. It's
11:28
possible, but neither Sergery or
11:30
myself could find any information
11:33
on Vasily Melnikov fighting
11:35
in any wars, not
11:37
one that the sobre units fought
11:39
in. No old photos on his social
11:42
media, no mention of previous
11:45
service, nothing. It's likely he
11:47
didn't fight. Still, though,
11:49
this sob Our knife was found
11:52
in his apartment and was used in the
11:54
murder of his family. Due
11:56
to its specific connection to the Russian
11:59
government and its numerous
12:01
and forces, we of course
12:03
want to find out where it's from.
12:07
So I reached out to several
12:09
different knife collectors and experts
12:12
to see if they could shed any light
12:15
on the knife. A few of them
12:17
who really know their stuff associated
12:20
with the conflict journalism collective
12:22
the irun Popular Front.
12:24
At Popular Front, we have a network
12:27
all over the world where people
12:29
with very niche esoteric
12:31
knowledge on war and conflict
12:33
come together, and so some
12:36
of our people happen to know a lot
12:38
about combat knives, both collectible
12:41
and practical. Speaking to
12:43
these people, it became clear that
12:45
the SOBR knife pictured in the
12:47
crime scene photos is
12:49
an NAR forty three knife,
12:51
a relatively inexpensive scout
12:54
knife first created in nineteen
12:56
forty three and issued to Russian
12:59
Special Forces. Either that or it's
13:01
a replica. Still, the design matches
13:03
exactly with the Russian
13:05
Special Forces scout knives.
13:08
Whilst the crime scene photo of the knife
13:10
is a bit out of focus, a specific
13:12
logo can be seen on the blade
13:15
of the knife. The logo looks like
13:17
the infinity symbol or the number
13:19
eight. It's the logo of Aiars
13:22
Latooste, a large Russian knife
13:24
manufacturer. They make decent knives
13:26
that are generally pretty accessible.
13:28
You can buy a brand new NR forty three
13:30
knife, for example, from Latoost
13:33
in Europe for around one hundred euros.
13:36
So the knife was manufactured by Aiar's
13:38
latoost However, there isn't a single
13:41
one of their NAR forty three
13:43
knife for sale anywhere that has
13:45
the SOB medallion molded
13:47
into the handle. The same way as
13:50
the Melnikov murder weapon. There
13:52
aren't currently any commercially
13:54
available NAR forty three knives
13:57
like that, so where did it come from?
14:01
We thought maybe theoretically, at
14:03
some point, a specific SOBR
14:06
unit could have commissioned a batch of spoke
14:09
knives from ai As Latouste
14:11
to award to some of its fighters.
14:14
It's quite possible. Now.
14:15
This company is obviously not going to
14:17
tell us the specific details
14:19
of another customer's purchases,
14:22
especially if it actually was so
14:24
OBR. But we wanted
14:26
to know if we could order the same bespoke
14:29
knife that would tell us something at least.
14:32
We reached out to Aiis Latoos
14:34
to see if this was possible, essentially
14:37
acting as a customer. They
14:39
said, quote, yes, such an
14:41
order with such an emblem can be completed
14:44
ends quote. Later they sent us a
14:47
mock up of what it would look like. Instead
14:49
of the knife with the SOB medallion
14:52
molded into the plastic of the handle,
14:54
they sent us a version that would have the SOBRE
14:57
insignia laser engraved
14:59
on to the hilt of the blade. Whilst
15:02
that's not the same knife as what Vasily
15:04
Melnikov apparently killed himself
15:07
and his whole family with it's pretty
15:09
close. My point being, it's
15:11
definitely possible that this knife
15:13
could have been produced by someone unrelated
15:16
to the SOBR, But
15:19
still, why did Vasily Melnikov
15:21
have it if it was just a random replica.
15:24
He was a multi millionaire and the
15:26
quality of the knife is largely
15:29
unremarkable. Is what our knife
15:31
collector associate had to say about
15:33
the blade.
15:34
It didn't really strike me as anything particularly
15:36
special, just
15:38
your typical combat type
15:40
knife that you'd see for sale anywhere
15:42
from some sort of a
15:45
gas station or junk shop all
15:47
the way through maybe an outdoors
15:51
tactical or a surplus
15:53
type shop. As far as construction goes, it's
15:55
not anything particularly high
15:57
end. It's definitely not custom,
16:00
just your typical machine
16:02
made, mass produced item.
16:05
So if the blade doesn't appear to be
16:07
particularly special superficially,
16:10
maybe it had some sentimental value
16:12
for Vasily Melnikov, or,
16:14
as others seem to believe, maybe
16:17
it wasn't his at all. Online
16:21
in Russia, there are various
16:24
theories and rumors going around
16:26
about Vasily Melnikov and
16:28
the slaughter of his family.
16:31
Many believe he was killed on behalf of
16:33
the Russian government. In
16:36
fact, so many Russian oligarchs have died
16:38
in the last year that it's become
16:41
somewhat of a running joke.
16:43
Vasily was just another one.
16:46
Even pro Russian telegram channels
16:48
linked to Russian units fighting in Ukraine
16:51
joke about the likelihood of being bumped
16:54
off by their own government. For
16:56
example, the operator of
16:58
the Russian propaganda tell channel
17:01
gray Zone, with more than four hundred
17:03
thousand members, wrote recently
17:05
saying, quote, once I
17:07
was having a cup of tea with a comrade from
17:09
the General Staff of the Armed Forces
17:12
of Russia, talking about the various
17:14
risks and consequences of
17:16
saying certain things in this channel
17:18
on telegram, I jokingly said
17:21
that one day I might fall out of
17:23
a window, to which my comrade
17:25
replied, bro, if the generals
17:27
want to eliminate you by throwing you from a window,
17:30
they'll most likely throw you from.
17:32
The first floor. End
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quote.
17:35
As we'll find out later in this series,
17:38
falling out of the window is something
17:41
many Russian oligarchs have recently
17:43
had in common. Plenty
17:45
of people online in Russia
17:48
have found the whole situation suspicious.
17:51
Now I don't speak Russian, but Sergey
17:54
does. He found numerous comments
17:56
relating to the Vasili Melnikov murders.
17:58
There's a lot of speculator. You know, a lot of
18:01
them say like, oh, look at them cleaning cleaning
18:03
out, you know, referring to like whoever's
18:05
higher up kind of maybe cutting closing
18:07
loose ends or getting rid of like people
18:10
who might know some like have dirt on them. You
18:12
know, it's all over the place.
18:13
You know.
18:14
Mostly you see this on Contactya,
18:17
like their VK, like Facebook
18:19
kind of counterpart you see
18:21
this on the actual articles because you know, you
18:23
can post anonymously, so a lot of
18:25
people will say like, oh, smell suspicious,
18:28
or like, oh.
18:29
Is this do you really want us to believe?
18:30
This doesn't go like
18:32
anywhere from that, but you know, it's it's interesting
18:34
to see that a lot of people are voicing
18:37
the fact that, like this sounds like bullshit.
18:39
It's almost seems like they're used to it.
18:40
They're kind of like, oh, there goes another one.
18:42
It's nothing new to them.
18:44
That said, Rumors and theories
18:47
on the internet, just rumors
18:49
and theories on the internet. We don't
18:51
know if they hold any white often
18:54
they don't. What
18:56
we do know, though, is that the police in
18:58
Russia say that we're silly Melnikov killed
19:01
his whole family, a brutal
19:03
act beyond most people's imagination.
19:06
This crime is so awful that
19:09
it even has its own terminology.
19:11
It's often referred to as familicide
19:14
and the perpetrators as family
19:17
annihilators. To
19:37
get a better understanding of this
19:39
horror, I spoke to Professor Elizabeth
19:42
Yadley. She's a professor of
19:44
criminology at Birmingham University
19:46
in the UK. She's studied
19:49
family annihilation at length and
19:51
has authored several papers on it.
19:53
When this individual hills their family
19:55
and so that is often their wife or female partner
19:58
and their biological children, and in
20:01
some cases they then kill themselves
20:03
as well and in other cases they know.
20:05
So it is the wiping out essentially
20:07
of the entire nuclear family units
20:10
in one particular event.
20:11
Right, And you've done a lot of research on this.
20:13
Obviously it's a case by case basis.
20:16
But is there any kind of idea
20:19
that's shared by people as to why
20:21
people do this? Because it's extremely
20:24
violent. It's just unbelievable
20:26
to anyone that's saying that
20:28
someone would kill their or own family. Is
20:30
there any kind of consensus on why this might happen?
20:33
Yeah, I think For me, the two key
20:35
words are control and possession.
20:38
When I look at cases of family annihilation,
20:41
the family members who are murdered,
20:44
very often they're not seen as
20:46
living, breathing human beings with their own hopes
20:49
and dreams and freedoms and choices. They're
20:51
seen as objects that are possessed
20:53
by the perpetrator.
20:56
They are things that the perpetrator owns,
20:58
and therefore the perpetrator can do, you
21:00
know, what he wants with them. And
21:03
these cases are really interesting because
21:05
a lot of the coverage of the cases will
21:08
present these as cases where
21:10
somebody's snapped, somebody's lost it, They've
21:13
gone overnight from you know, a
21:15
loving, caring father figure to
21:17
a homicidal maniac, and that
21:20
just doesn't happen. Snapping isn't actually
21:22
a thing. And when you look in detail
21:24
at these cases, when you find out
21:27
the details about these families and their lives,
21:29
what you often come across is quite significant
21:32
histories of domestic abuse, of
21:34
coercive and controlling behavior, a
21:37
very kind of domineering head of the household
21:39
type figures. So it does make
21:41
sense when you look at it in that broader
21:44
context. And I don't think I've
21:46
come across a single case where somebody has just you
21:48
know, snapped and lost it in an instant
21:50
that doesn't tend to happen.
21:52
Do you think that it's a case
21:54
of someone over the years or
21:57
over a certain amount of time of fermenting
21:59
these ideas, isn't getting more
22:01
angry, or do you think this is something that someone potentially
22:04
kind of always had in them.
22:05
I think it's something that they've always had in them,
22:08
because the way that they think about their
22:10
family, the way they think about other people, that
22:12
is an element of their personality that's
22:15
very much part and parcel of them. To be
22:17
controlling is normal for them. To be possessive,
22:20
is normal for them. To be abusive, it's
22:22
normal for them. So this
22:24
is the key thing about all of the family annihilations
22:27
that I've covered, Like it's more
22:29
about continuity than it is about change.
22:32
And very often these individuals
22:34
are quite good at maintaining
22:37
like a facade of normality and
22:39
respectability. And this is vania which
22:41
most people don't really get to see behind.
22:44
So it is really shocking when this kind
22:47
of thing happens. But very often you
22:49
speak to people who are kind of known
22:51
intimately to those involved in a crime,
22:53
like this, and they're like, yeah, yeah, he
22:55
was an awful person. You know, he was just very
22:57
good at claiming that he wasn't.
22:59
This case that I'm looking at with this guy
23:01
in Russia, this Melnikov guy. The thing
23:03
with him is though he just come off
23:06
of a very luxurious
23:08
holiday with his two children and his
23:10
wife in the Maldives. He just
23:12
made a deal on a three point five million
23:15
dollar business contract,
23:18
and he had a really nice flat in an
23:20
upmarket part of Moscow.
23:24
On the outside, like everything was going
23:26
good for him. Now, allegedly he
23:29
told his wife he was depressed, but the source
23:31
for that is kind of like anonymous person that
23:33
told a Russian government
23:35
media channel, so it's not exactly reliable.
23:38
But he seemed to have everything going
23:40
for him. Yet he apparently,
23:43
according to the Russian police, killed
23:45
his whole family using a
23:47
series of different knives.
23:49
Also then killed himself.
23:51
He seemed to kind of have everything going for him.
23:55
Do you see that kind of stuff happen as well? All the people
23:57
do this, even if you know everything
23:59
find Angela is okay, and you know, I
24:01
mean, who knows what is going through someone's head?
24:03
But I don't know. This guy didn't seem to be losing
24:05
things. It was quite the opposite.
24:07
No, that doesn't really ring truth
24:09
for me. If he's if he's seeing
24:12
a particular level of success and like
24:15
you said, he's got this this big multi
24:17
million contract in the offering, and
24:19
if he's you know, quite well healed
24:21
and things are going well, that's not the time
24:24
when this sort of thing tends to happen. Then
24:26
you've got situations where you
24:28
know, large amounts of money are involved. It's
24:30
normally when there's the threat of losing
24:33
that money, right, and that's like a real
24:35
thing. And the murders
24:37
are essentially away of sort of regaining
24:39
control essentially, because for a lot
24:42
of these guys, the family
24:44
is is a way of kind of displaying
24:46
success, their indicator
24:49
to the world that they've made it. You know
24:51
that they're economically successful, they've got
24:53
money, and if you think of
24:55
you know that the vast expense that comes from having
24:58
a family at the family home and
25:00
and very often some expensive
25:02
leisure purshoots and hobbies and that kind of thing,
25:04
and these grand holidays in the Moldies. That's
25:07
basically announcing to the rest of the world, I've
25:09
made it, and look, my family are helping me.
25:11
Perform my success to the rest
25:13
of the world.
25:13
When there's the threat of that money kind of going away,
25:16
the family doesn't serve a function anymore,
25:18
because for these guys, the family is a way of performing
25:21
success. There isn't any real sort
25:23
of genuine emotion or
25:25
kind of attachment to the people in the family.
25:27
They're simply props. And when the
25:29
fuel essentially runs out, the money runs
25:31
out, it's like, oh, well, you know
25:33
that they're not serving their purpose
25:35
anymore. I'm kind of finished with them, and I'm
25:38
done with this and I'm going to take it all down in
25:40
the final kind of act of control.
25:42
Some of his neighbors were saying that he'd recently
25:44
hired a bodyguard to kind of take
25:46
his kids to school, which I
25:48
mean, I don't know, but that doesn't scream to me a
25:51
guy that is, you know, quite happily ready to
25:53
just kill his family if you want to protect his kids.
25:55
Yeah, yeah, it really doesn't resonate
25:58
with me in terms of that kind family
26:00
annihilator, because they
26:03
will do this, they will carry out these murders and
26:05
then their own lives before everything
26:07
goes horribly wrong. Yeah, it
26:10
doesn't really stack up for me.
26:11
What is also interesting to me.
26:13
So in this research that we're doing, we
26:15
have found people that
26:17
are, you know, in some ways connected in the way
26:19
that they're Russian millionaires and billionaires,
26:22
and they have some connections to the state. I mean, they don't
26:24
know each other. I'm sure they knew of each other, some of them,
26:26
but in some way they're connected. And
26:28
there's over a dozen of these so called oligarchs
26:31
that are dead and two, at
26:33
least two, maybe we think three did
26:36
this family annihilation.
26:38
It is an incredibly rare phenomenon. Having a
26:40
clustering of them like this is
26:42
relatively unusual, especially
26:44
within similar circles, within
26:47
the same nation, within a
26:49
particular time period. It would
26:51
seem quite anomalist to me.
26:54
Yeah, and at least two of them, So
26:56
the two that we know for certain annihilated
26:58
the whole families. There's two children
27:00
that survived that you know, they were older, they weren't in the house.
27:03
Both of them have said that there's just no way,
27:05
like there is no way that they did this. But
27:08
again, I mean, I guess we have heard
27:10
that before. Do you think that's
27:12
like a I don't know, do you do you think that's
27:14
worth listening to. I mean, these are members of this guy's
27:16
family, like literally there are other children, but
27:18
I guess their children would say that, I don't know, what
27:20
do you think?
27:21
Well, the very fact that biological
27:24
children of the alleged perpetrator
27:26
have survived tells me that this is very different
27:28
from any family annihilation I've come across
27:31
before, because when the perpetrator takes their family
27:33
out, they take everybody out. They
27:35
make sure that those children are home for the weekend or
27:38
that they're all together as a family. They don't
27:40
leave anybody behind. All
27:42
the members of that particular nutliar family unit,
27:44
the perpetrator takes them all out, they
27:47
won't leave somebody behind. It's
27:49
yeah, that's quite odd.
27:51
Have you seen cases before where
27:54
they've committed family side or
27:56
whatever you call it. They've killed their whole family, And
28:00
you've seen situations where they've made sure, like they've made
28:02
sure that everyone was there, They've called someone in, they
28:04
made sure it's a family weekend or a dinner or something
28:06
like that.
28:07
Yeah, and several of these cases
28:09
that we came across happened on the family
28:12
holiday, the one time when they're all
28:14
together, you know, without any sort
28:16
of outside influence. That there might be in a different
28:18
country, but no, there's
28:20
a very deliberate attempt to make sure
28:23
that nobody can get away essentially,
28:25
and that everybody's contained within the same
28:28
space. So yeah,
28:30
to have people surviving who
28:33
are part of that nuclear family unit is
28:35
really quite strange to me. I mean,
28:37
it might be that we've discovered a whole new type
28:40
of family annihilator here, right, you know, but
28:43
this doesn't fit with anything I've ever seen
28:45
before. To be honest, I think if you were
28:47
to develop a checklist for you
28:49
know, characteristics associated with family
28:51
annihilation, like this would
28:54
not be off that checklist.
28:56
Now.
28:56
That's all not to say that Vasilly Melnikov
28:59
didn't do it, but it clearly doesn't
29:01
quite fit the pattern of behavior of
29:04
other family annihilators, not
29:06
according to Professor Yadley, someone
29:08
who knows a lot about this. Something
29:11
else that seems a bit off, as I
29:13
mentioned, is the claim that Vasily
29:16
Melnikov hired a bodyguard for his
29:18
kids, at least according to his
29:20
neighbors. Why if he was
29:22
planning to kill his family would
29:25
he hire someone to protect them.
29:27
The neighbors said that seen the bodyguard taking
29:29
the children to school, The children
29:31
who would sadly be murdered later
29:34
on. There are also rumors,
29:36
again from the neighbors, the Vasily
29:38
had a murky past, possibly
29:41
involved with criminal networks in
29:43
other cities. Still, these
29:45
are just rumors. What isn't
29:47
rumor, though, is Vasily Melnikov's
29:50
autopsy report. According
29:52
to that, Vasily had a stab wound
29:54
in his foot. So,
29:57
if we take the official story as
29:59
true, Vasily stabbed his
30:01
family to death with at least two
30:04
different knives and then stabbed
30:06
himself in the foot before killing
30:08
himself outright. Maybe
30:11
or maybe the stab to the foot was a defense
30:14
wound, and maybe, as some people speculate,
30:17
the two different knives were held
30:19
by two different people. Maybe
30:22
Vasily had upset some people. Maybe
30:24
those people killed Vasily Melnikov and
30:26
his family as a punishment and
30:28
a warning to other oligarchs who don't
30:31
play ball.
30:32
We don't know. It's just a theory.
30:35
Unfortunately in this series you
30:38
won't get definitive answers. Real
30:40
life doesn't always get tied up in a bow,
30:43
especially not when looking into the deaths
30:45
of the Russian elite.
30:47
We don't exactly know what happened to Vasily
30:49
Melnikov or many of the other
30:51
oligarchs will cover. What we do
30:54
know is that a suspicious pattern emerges
30:56
the closer you look into the deaths
30:58
of these rich Russi businessmen.
31:13
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31:15
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31:18
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31:21
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31:23
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31:32
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31:34
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