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Hi. I'm Jeffrey Kramer, and my friend CECL

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Baldwin loves horror movies, and he's

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helping make this genre more approachable for

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me, and hopefully for you too,

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one film at a time. In a random

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order. Are you squeamish about horror

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movies? Don't worry. We will tell you what

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happens. Adore horror movies. Great.

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Watch along with us each week and

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always, check the show notes for content warnings

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about this week's episode discussion and

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film. This week, we randomly

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rolled a one for wild card

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and a three for documentary

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here is episode one forty

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six. On

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random number generator, horror

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podcast number nine, Hellhouse

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two thousand and one. Warning.

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Spoilers ahead. My

1:02

first girlfriend was named

1:04

Kitty. She didn't go by that. That was

1:06

her actual name. She went by her middle name

1:08

Sabrina. She still does last I

1:10

checked. Kitty Sabrina and I went to the same

1:12

high school and we bonded over our love of romantic

1:15

comedies and Jesus Christ.

1:18

Our very first state was to the regional

1:20

chain restaurant Cheddar's on

1:22

Greenville Avenue. And as we were handed

1:24

our bill, I realized I'd forgotten to get cash.

1:26

Sabrina also did not bring cash because we

1:28

were deeply ingrained in system that required men

1:31

to pay for all meals and for women to smile and

1:33

appreciate it. But I can't blame the patriarchy

1:35

here. I fucking forgot to cash.

1:38

I had to run out of the restaurant, go to a

1:40

gas station, and use their ATM leaving Sabrina

1:42

alone at the cheddar's. Sabrina and I also

1:44

played mini golf. We watched movies. We

1:46

went country dancing with friends.

1:48

It was pretty normal Dallas

1:51

teenage dating shit except that

1:53

and I reiterate we both really

1:56

loved Christ. So the limits of physicality

1:59

were just upright making out.

2:01

And if I were to hug any other girl, I had

2:03

to do the side hug. Sabrina

2:05

and I would talk openly about curbing

2:08

impure thoughts and about how shocking

2:10

it was to hear so and so say the s

2:13

word, and how marriage was also

2:15

a marriage to god himself, a

2:17

holy truffle, if you will. Looking

2:19

back, was all so weird.

2:22

So watching the two thousand one

2:24

documentary, Hell House, I was immediately

2:26

brought back to Mesquite, Texas 9 ninety

2:28

three, not so terribly far away

2:30

from Cedar Hill, Texas 9 ninety

2:33

three. And watching these kids go through

2:35

their super Christian feelings, I felt

2:37

so much sympathy for the way they've

2:39

been indoctrinated into a culture

2:41

of virulent puritanism, which

2:43

suppresses them in order to suppress

2:46

other because in the fringes of Christianity

2:48

and a lot of large religions, the love

2:50

of God is hatred of oneself. My

2:53

sympathy for these kids isn't so great that I

2:55

can blithely forgive their ignorance about

2:58

the LGBTQ community, women's

3:00

rights, the AIDS crisis, etcetera. But

3:03

there's been twenty years for them to all

3:05

grow up, to join the world, to meet and learn

3:07

from other people, and to deepen their

3:09

relationship to god by deepening their empathy

3:11

for all people. But I

3:13

do remain cynical for all

3:15

the ridiculous Prudas Christian

3:17

shit, Sabrina and I were up to, You know

3:19

what? We never did? We never went to

3:21

church together and called it a fucking

3:24

date. Oh, good. Lord

3:26

Cedar Hill. High CECL.

3:28

Hi, Jeffrey. Where to begin?

3:31

Where to where to

3:32

what what to even ask? Have

3:34

you have you ever gone to church

3:36

on a date? On a date well,

3:39

I mean, I guess going to church is a date

3:41

with Jesus, whether it's That's right.

3:43

Sort of implied. Right? Okay.

3:46

So I have been to church. I've actually

3:48

been to church more than I've been to synagogue, and

3:51

I've been to church three

3:53

times. So Christianity three,

3:55

Judaism nil, unfortunately.

3:58

Did you cap out on after

4:00

three after part three of Christianity the

4:02

same way you sort of tapped out after part three

4:04

of Friday the

4:05

thirteenth. You're like, yeah, I'm

4:07

I'm I get it now. I really did.

4:09

I was like, I have seen enough. I've

4:11

seen enough. I saw it on two different

4:13

continents. And I was like, you know, I think

4:15

I'm okay. CECL,

4:18

we do not have a guest this week, but we have a musician,

4:21

a performer, and a friend. We have Chris

4:23

Brown. Hi, Chris.

4:25

Hey, guys. How are you? Good.

4:28

Good. Chris, I wanna

4:30

know, oftentimes, we start the show by asking

4:32

people's like relationship to horror movies but

4:35

as we were just starting to record,

4:38

sounds like I should ask you, what is your relationship

4:40

to this type of religiosity?

4:43

Oh, Jeffrey, I

4:46

am here. I am here today

4:48

to scare the Jesus into all of

4:50

you.

4:53

No. Seriously. Actually, it's funny

4:55

you were you were mentioning the

4:58

in your intro, the the dating

5:00

aspects. Of a Christian

5:02

youth. My first heavy

5:04

petting session was at Church

5:07

Camp. Boom. Oh,

5:09

wow. Yeah. Nice. All the repression

5:12

just came forth and

5:14

and out. And then I left the church very

5:16

soon after that, you know. Because I found

5:19

the real world.

5:22

Chris wChris, I've never I've never been to

5:24

church camp. I can imagine what it is like

5:26

imagine a lot of like you know,

5:28

like small group prayer and then

5:30

you get together and you sing some probably

5:32

with some dude with a

5:33

guitar, maybe you were that dude with

5:35

a guitar, I'm guessing, not by that

5:37

point, but I was in a Christian speed

5:40

metal band -- Oh, shut the fuck up. -- that

5:42

that used to play at Christian lock

5:44

ins. Oh my god. So, like, we

5:46

we we we trapped in gymnasiums in

5:48

schools, and then me and my

5:51

three friends would play just,

5:53

you know, ridiculous blah blah

5:56

blah blah

5:56

blah. For god. Like --

5:58

Yeah. -- it was it

5:59

was pretty crazy. I think Do you remember any of the

6:01

lyrics? Do you remember any of the lyrics from these songs?

6:03

Oh, hell no. No. We're still there,

6:05

though. I also imagine a lot of

6:07

settlers of Khitan happening. And

6:09

these things. Yes. Yes. That is that

6:11

is a

6:12

fact. That is a fact. Yeah.

6:15

No. I was you know, I've I grew up Baptist.

6:17

Like you do in the south,

6:19

my my grandmother was a very

6:22

devout, like southern Baptist. Like,

6:24

the church that she used to go to was just

6:27

kind of basically at the

6:29

scale just just right above

6:31

snake handling. Right. Like,

6:33

you know And and I remember her. She used to take

6:35

me to this very small church

6:38

in the hills of Tennessee. Yep. Probably

6:40

near me, probably near where I grew up. It was

6:42

pretty close. We were, like, just

6:45

east of or west of Chattanooga, basically.

6:48

Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. South of South

6:50

of England. Yeah. So the

6:53

thing I the feature I remember the most

6:55

was telling her when

6:57

I was, like, six or seven years old

6:59

that I wanted to be a pastor.

7:02

But I realized that the reason I wanted

7:04

to be pastor was because of how cool

7:07

it was to be standing up there,

7:09

sweating, spitting, and, like,

7:11

screaming about fire and brimstone.

7:13

So

7:13

basically, I just wanted to be theater actor.

7:16

Yeah. You know? So that was that was that was

7:18

the reality. I had that same

7:20

thing. Yeah. When I was in college,

7:22

I carried my Christianity on into

7:24

my freshman year of college and joined a Christian

7:26

group, but I really, really wanted to

7:29

be I was like, I wanna be

7:31

a minister. Like, I wanna

7:32

like, I

7:33

Yeah. It was that same thing. Like, I even saw people

7:35

doing campus preaching, and I'm like, that looks

7:38

fun. Right. That looks great.

7:40

Fun. Like, the way they would because you

7:42

would get gatherings of other students

7:44

who would kind of like heckle them or, like, interact

7:47

with them. And I'm like, I would love to get really

7:49

good at that. I'm like, yeah, III just wanna

7:51

be a performance

7:52

artist. That's it. Yeah. That that innate

7:54

spirit of of drama and conflict

7:56

and, like, the resolution of human

7:58

truth. Right? Like, it's it's like what you

8:00

seek for. And I don't know. There's

8:02

there's a whole lot of things running through

8:05

this movie that we're gonna talk about that

8:07

are just like okay. Well,

8:09

let me just let me say this. When you guys

8:11

invited me to do this, it sent me down

8:13

on a rabbit hole because I was

8:16

Hellhouse I remember and I think

8:18

I mentioned the the the sea. So I feel like

8:20

you and I saw this together back

8:22

in, like, twenty o three. It seems

8:25

like the time frame fits it fits.

8:27

Yeah. Right? But when I rewatched

8:29

it, It took me on this rabbit

8:31

hole. So I went back and I started with

8:34

Waco Rules of Engagement. Oh,

8:36

wow. And then passed through Hellhouse

8:39

and Devil's playground, which is about a

8:41

Romeo Springer and the Omni

8:43

Academy. Oh oh, interesting. And then up

8:45

to two thousand and six, with

8:47

Jesus Camp. Yes. Yes.

8:50

I have not seen Jesus Camp in so long

8:52

and I was kind I was like that was the other one

8:54

I was trying to remember. Yeah. It's

8:56

it's terrible. Fight. Well, and that's

8:58

the thing is that, like, I I was like, man, I kind

9:00

of wish we had put that on the list for this

9:02

podcast as well because I think this movie

9:05

did so well and was kind

9:07

of widely received in two

9:09

thousand three. If I'm looking at my

9:11

notes right, two thousand three, two thousand four,

9:13

and then Jesus Camp came out a few years

9:15

later, but it, like, up the scare

9:18

factor, immensely. And

9:20

it's interesting to watch that

9:22

trajectory. And the reason I went back to

9:24

Waco was because I was like, when

9:26

did the evangelical Christian write

9:29

really start to be like

9:31

it begins to get kind of like

9:34

we are the discriminated mother.

9:36

Yeah. Oh, sure. Of the world. And

9:38

I I was like Waco. Right? It was

9:40

kinda Waco. Like, how Waco was treated?

9:43

The fact that the the the ATF

9:46

made such huge mistakes with the

9:48

way they handled the the

9:50

illegal situation and

9:52

their raid on them, and it seemed like

9:54

I think for a lot of people on the Christian right, especially

9:57

that far to the right in the evangelicalism,

10:00

it seemed like an assault

10:02

on their beliefs and on

10:04

them. Martyrdom has been

10:06

around as long as as humankind.

10:09

Right? And so this is like It's

10:11

it's such a modern concept too in

10:13

the twenties in the twenty first century

10:15

too, the way that we use grace

10:18

marginalization and we reframe what

10:21

oppression is for actual oppressed

10:23

people and bring it back into whiteness

10:26

or Christianity or a patriarchy

10:28

to, like, the the the the dominant

10:31

cultures will, you know, you

10:34

know, re appropriate that language

10:36

to themselves in some former fashion.

10:38

Absolutely. And especially with Waco, because

10:40

like Waco was one of the first times, you'd imagine

10:43

people who we're, you know,

10:45

could be in this documentary or, you know,

10:47

with later vote tea party, let's say,

10:49

in just a few years, we're kind of in that territory

10:51

or the libertarian, you know, like, they kind of

10:54

collected that and be like, hey, you

10:56

know, that guy's doing something just

10:58

fine that I think should is an American

11:00

value and should be able to be able to do

11:02

that. What's the fucking problem. Like, I mean,

11:04

they're just doing that thing over

11:06

there. Why should that? Why are you

11:08

telling me what I can? I can't do America?

11:11

And then, you know, you actually look into and you're

11:13

like, oh, yeah, you can. You

11:15

probably shouldn't. You shouldn't.

11:17

But It was so creative. There were so

11:20

pretty nefarious things happening in Mount Carmel.

11:22

Let's be honest. Sure. Sure. But

11:25

but yeah. Going through that trajectory and it

11:27

was like, you know, III think

11:29

back to, like, the whole BoJ

11:31

Simpson debacle and those Yonbanet

11:34

a ramps and things. We're in a time period where

11:36

where all of a sudden, you know, there's

11:38

there's a there's a real time televised

11:41

reality going on, and Waco

11:43

was a moment that was like, everybody was

11:45

watching And it was like those

11:47

poor branch davidians

11:50

are just trying to just trying

11:52

to exercise their faith and and

11:54

the governments coming after them. And so

11:56

felt like a little bit of a catalyst that you

11:58

can then, like, trace through the

12:00

next couple of decades all the way up to

12:02

the capital right

12:03

inception. Right? Like, it's like there's

12:06

there's a there's a well spring in it, like, a

12:08

a rolling storm not to

12:10

use it

12:11

constantly. have to do it on a

12:13

military term. Guess. Yeah. Yeah. But

12:17

but I feel like Waco was wasn't really

12:19

interested in a great entry point for

12:21

me. For this whole thing. And then I ended it with the

12:23

religious, religious. Oh, nice.

12:26

What's interesting that you bring up so

12:28

many of these, like, kind of, like, big televised events

12:30

of the nineteen nineties? Right? Like the I

12:32

always think of the OJ Simpson car

12:34

chase as one of the first

12:37

really big moments where we

12:39

kind of all understood as as people

12:41

who watch television news

12:43

that we could actually be part of television

12:45

news

12:46

too. Yeah. Like, this is well

12:47

before Twitter in which the actual,

12:49

like, voice of the people, like, had

12:51

direct impact on the news that it actually

12:53

altered the news you know, mixing

12:55

the two. This was the thing where,

12:57

like, part of that footage was people

12:59

actually on the street, seeing it

13:02

on the news in LA,

13:04

and then running out to these neighborhood streets,

13:06

holding up signs. And things

13:08

like that. And it was really interesting in in this

13:10

this documentary, this whole house, that that we

13:12

watch, is kind of playing on that very

13:14

notion of all of the things we see on the news

13:17

let us amp it up even more

13:19

that these are this is how we can get

13:21

to it because it's not just a message of

13:24

Jesus' love and forgiveness. It's not just

13:26

about the morality of

13:28

the old bible. It's not just about

13:30

that anymore. It's about bringing

13:32

all of the stuff that we are all seeing in this,

13:34

you know, the last throes of monoculture

13:37

that we can say, like, let's show rape, let's

13:39

show AIDS, let's show suicide, let's

13:41

show whatever. And and

13:43

then you can just rile

13:45

people up with a set of images, almost

13:47

like trolling on Twitter these days.

13:50

Right. That's so that's so

13:51

astute, Jeffrey. Like, yeah, absolutely. I

13:53

think that's it's it's such AAA

13:56

central feature of evangelicalism,

14:00

right, is to just kind

14:02

of paint the broadest strokes

14:05

on human existence. So

14:08

the purposes of of kind of judgment

14:10

-- Yeah. -- ultimately. Right? It's like

14:12

fear to to yeah. Fear. Fear

14:15

is such a driving factor. It's it's

14:17

all over this thing. Right? It's all over this whole

14:19

concept. Have you I'm curious,

14:21

Jeffrey, Have you ever been to

14:23

the Cedar Hill Trinity Health House?

14:26

I didn't I didn't actually know about it

14:28

until I had already left Dallas.

14:31

So this documentary came out, like,

14:33

two years before I moved away from

14:35

Texas. And didn't I wasn't

14:38

really aware of the movie

14:40

when it came out. So so you weren't part

14:42

of the fact seventy five

14:44

thousand people that went through

14:46

the whole

14:47

house. Can you believe that? I know.

14:49

But will say

14:50

that these things happen in a lot of

14:52

churches. And I

14:53

remember a friend of mine's church doing

14:55

a very kind of much

14:57

more tepid kind of basic

15:00

sort of

15:01

thing. And it was it was one of those churches

15:03

that's like in a strip mall, like

15:05

power ways.

15:06

Non denominational eventually. Like, it's

15:08

just the scariest kind of church. Sometimes,

15:11

a

15:11

splinter, a splinter church I was thinking

15:13

about it. I'm like, all they have is a drop ceiling

15:15

and an overhead projector and you're like, oh,

15:17

no. There's like six

15:19

people

15:19

in conrogation and three of them are

15:21

insane. But they that one

15:24

that I went to was obviously nothing

15:26

to

15:26

the, like, you know, it was off off

15:28

Broadway compared

15:29

to this being a Broadway production. It's

15:32

it's in the out of town tryout. Yeah.

15:34

Yeah. actually I actually did go

15:36

to one as a result of watching this

15:38

documentary back in the day, really

15:40

in in Nashville, Tennessee, and it was

15:43

one that was put together much in the same

15:45

fashion. I mean, I I think they have a

15:47

I think there's probably a a

15:50

script that just gets passed around

15:53

between all of the various -- Oh.

15:55

-- iterations because the one that I went to

15:58

basically had the same exact

16:00

scene structures

16:01

that this one seems to have.

16:04

So it's it's, you know, interesting, man.

16:07

Progelatizing with the hand of fear

16:09

Oh my god. Yeah. So let's get into this

16:11

movie. I mean, it's gonna be this one's a little tough

16:13

to do chronologically like we would with

16:15

our fictional horror films that

16:17

we do. But it does

16:20

start off with this kind of the

16:22

white screen confessional with a

16:24

with a mid range

16:25

shot. So 90s man

16:28

Yeah. So ninety is

16:30

just, like, MTV bullet

16:32

like, MT what was the what was the daytime MTV?

16:35

A a total request live -- Yeah.

16:37

-- blow out the white screen in the background,

16:40

and then I swear to

16:41

god, these kids are straight out of Aloha, Baloosa.

16:45

Yeah. This is

16:46

our confessional mode. Yeah. And I was

16:48

here for it. We begin with a

16:50

man whose name I never got in this movie and I

16:52

never went back to check. So I'm just gonna call him

16:54

mustache, but he's basically kind of the

16:58

not the head preacher

17:00

at this church because we'll see that guy later

17:02

with his, like, you

17:03

know, big grayish bouffant

17:05

pastor Dan

17:06

Yeah. This is this is this is youth minister,

17:09

Tim Ferguson.

17:10

Tim? Okay. Great. Yeah. And of course, he's

17:12

a youth minister. So he's

17:13

like, he's a he's a sub boss

17:15

because, really, honestly, when I think of churches,

17:18

I compare them all to the Superinos and

17:20

the hierarchy of

17:21

mafia. Is really

17:23

so

17:23

so he's a sub boss. He's a sub boss. He's a big bossy. Yeah.

17:25

Yeah.

17:26

He's a sub bossy

17:28

of this church. You know, when he starts

17:30

with I wish he didn't Well, she didn't

17:32

have to see the things you're about to see.

17:34

Oh, she loses. And that's

17:36

his name. I wrote Me Too. Mustache

17:38

Me Too. So

17:41

but I bet but I bet you're gonna take full

17:43

delight in telling me all the gory

17:45

details aren't you?

17:46

Exactly. Well, and it is so fascinating. Right?

17:49

Like, because it's a his driving

17:51

message here is is that

17:53

he wishes that we he didn't

17:55

have to do this to

17:56

us. Yeah. But if he but if he doesn't,

17:58

the blood is on his hands. Like,

18:01

you're making me hit you. Why

18:03

why don't you just do the dishes? Like,

18:05

wait, you're And then Now, Jeff Now, Jeffrey,

18:07

what's interesting? This is documentary. However,

18:10

plot does develop. It does

18:12

throughout this documentary, we're gonna mention

18:15

big pussy later because when we especially

18:17

get into the creation of the Hell House,

18:19

like what scenes they put into it,

18:21

and then also he's personal

18:23

backstory with

18:25

the ex wife, let's

18:28

say, I or as I called it, the

18:30

affair affair -- Uh-huh. Like,

18:32

it is like, this this documentary

18:34

is plotted very well. Like, it's I can

18:37

see why this is a, like, five star documentary.

18:39

Because they tease out some of the

18:41

backstory and it's subtle, but if you look

18:43

for

18:43

it, it's fucking terrifying. Yeah.

18:47

Well,

18:47

it also brings up because opening speech

18:49

kind

18:50

of marks for me

18:52

a feature that runs throughout

18:55

Trinity Church and and everything else. And

18:57

that is this concept that

19:00

you you are the lost. Right?

19:02

Mhmm. Their whole their

19:04

whole mission is to speak speak

19:07

to the

19:07

lost, to save to

19:09

save the lambs. EZShield

19:12

twenty five seventeen. Right.

19:14

This is we're already quoting chapter in Rome.

19:17

Like, I'm

19:17

already quoting Paul fiction is what I'm doing.

19:19

Oh, yes. I was, like,

19:20

to quote Destiny's child chapter in

19:22

verse. I get nothing.

19:25

So we We're in Cedar Hill, Texas.

19:27

This is South Dallas in

19:29

nineteen ninety nine. And we

19:31

meet the there's a whole crew. There's a whole

19:34

house

19:34

team. And we start with

19:36

their team meeting.

19:37

Oh, god. It's

19:39

so good.

19:40

We've got Tim, mustache

19:42

man. Another guy Oscar,

19:44

they're they're all starting with a prayer. Right?

19:46

Like, this is the classic thing in the in

19:48

the eventual church. I mean, it's coming in all churches

19:50

to pray before you eat or do whatever.

19:53

But -- Sure. -- but there is

19:55

this, like, the tone of Oscar's

19:57

prayer at this beginning group

19:58

is, like, help us reach the lost.

20:01

Help

20:01

us, you know, bring your hope to

20:03

them like we are only vessels for your message,

20:05

oh lord, And it is it's

20:08

it's a weird hype up thing. We do so

20:10

much hyping up to get

20:12

ourselves going for the day, you know, just

20:14

like you do a little meditation,

20:16

or you you drink four cups of coffee, or

20:18

if you're a football player, like, you kinda like

20:20

pound each other on the and you you you get

20:22

amped up and this is the I'm convincing

20:25

myself

20:26

that I am God's Bullhorn,

20:28

which is

20:29

which is a really that's a very

20:31

specific task to do. Yeah.

20:34

I feel like a very similar thing would happen

20:36

in in, like, like,

20:38

Glen Glen Glen Gary Glen Ross. Right?

20:40

Like, the the

20:42

the the to to make the, you know,

20:44

to to make the sale, you gotta get you gotta

20:46

harden that edge. Man, ABC,

20:50

always be

20:51

crying to Jesus. Right? Because this thing

20:54

ends up becoming like a marketing meeting. Ultimately.

20:56

Yeah.

20:57

Yeah. Well, okay. So so in this market,

20:59

I'm like, Chris, you're totally right. Like, the full on whiteboard.

21:01

There were just four kicking around ideas here

21:04

of, like, what could this year's hotels,

21:06

top last year's Hell House.

21:09

And and so

21:10

we're waiting room for, like, season ten

21:12

of those things. Exactly. Exactly. And

21:14

they're kicking around, you know, a drug bust

21:17

question mark, a

21:19

gay bar. I mean, I've never been to a gay bar,

21:21

but I know this On my potential

21:23

homosexual count, I noted

21:26

three three potentials that I

21:28

was like, that dude is probably gonna

21:30

be tapping his under a stall in the different

21:32

airport sometime soon. Yeah. But

21:36

here's the thing that I that we kind of

21:38

tying this back to like we're talking about the intro about

21:41

when you can become part of the news,

21:44

Colobine. Colobine is a

21:46

major factor in this And,

21:49

you know, we're twenty years out of columbine,

21:51

but here's the thing. I think

21:54

we as middle aged adults have

21:56

forgotten the impact that it had

21:59

on us in the in in the most

22:01

obvious and the most subliminal ways

22:04

because I remember where I was on four twenty

22:06

because it happened April twentieth, and I

22:08

was smoking marijuana with my friends

22:10

in the theater department and all of a sudden,

22:13

we turn you know, we had to turn off days

22:15

and confused because

22:18

for the first time national news coverage

22:21

was given to a

22:23

school

22:23

shooting, like, that I can remember. Yeah.

22:25

It goes back to that I that idea of real

22:27

time watching. Right? Like, that was I think, you know,

22:30

there was a there was a real flip in the late eighties,

22:32

early nineties that I that

22:34

I hinge on OJ where all of a sudden

22:37

fear was palpable because we were

22:39

watching these things happen in

22:41

in real time on TV. And

22:43

then that got capitalized, right, in in

22:46

in a lot of programming. Because

22:48

then we then we got into cops and

22:50

the show cops and

22:51

everything. Cops. That was the other thing from the intro.

22:53

I was like, cops was a major thing of,

22:55

like, I know that dude. I could

22:57

be that dude. It's not so bad at

22:59

least I got on TV -- Mhmm. -- was

23:01

the mentality of that I think is setting

23:03

us up because think about this

23:05

boys. All these people at this church

23:07

are now old enough to vote for Donald

23:09

Trump. Yep. Yeah. So well, that

23:11

was my that was my my rabbit hole trajectory

23:14

to the insulation. That's why it sent me

23:16

there. I was like,

23:16

where did this begin? Because

23:19

they're at pre voting age here. They're like,

23:22

learning to be indoctrinated. And by the time

23:24

now, they're middle aged farts like us.

23:26

Exactly. Like, they're of the age to be like,

23:28

well, I'm grumpy, and I remember when we

23:30

were back in you

23:31

know, like, this is it. This was back in the day.

23:33

Well, I think it was interesting, you know, you're talking about

23:35

the columbine issue because they also there's

23:38

pastor Tim, like, drops in there

23:40

that they they did the the

23:42

Heath high school shooting one

23:44

year or two, the Paducah one,

23:46

which I can't remember if that -- Yeah. --

23:48

if if Heath happened prior to

23:50

calling by or after, I can't remember

23:52

the exact date, but they were very close to one

23:54

another. So it's a feature of the Lighthouse.

23:57

Right? It's like, That's that's what they're known for.

23:59

That's their controversy. That's how they

24:01

get their negative media ripped from

24:03

the headlines. Ripped from the headlines. Kind

24:05

of shit. Yeah. Rip from the headlines. And one

24:07

guy in the group actually points

24:10

out that they talk about doing

24:12

another somebody pitches an idea

24:15

for a SUS like, Jeremy

24:17

Spoken Classic. Like, literally when this

24:19

gets in the scene, the the student's name

24:21

is

24:22

Jeremy. I'm so glad you said

24:24

Jeremy

24:24

and you you you brought in the Pearl Jam reference

24:27

because was like, yes, that is exactly where

24:29

he pulled that. It is it is Jeremy

24:31

spoke in class today and that's going to be the scene that plays

24:33

out as this kid who gets up and shoots himself in front

24:35

of the class. And he

24:38

pitches this I idea. And somebody

24:40

says in the group, I'm

24:42

worried that we become in the

24:44

news just the group that

24:46

is exploiting school

24:48

shootings. And pastor Tim,

24:50

mustache Tim was like, I that's what

24:52

we're here for. Yep. I'm cool with it. You know Yeah.

24:54

-- bring us the negative attention because that's

24:57

how HealthHouse makes its

24:58

impact. That's our brand. Another

25:00

guy who I wrote down is fake Mike

25:02

White. Who

25:06

who He he picked he's

25:08

the one who pitches as you said CECL. What

25:10

about a gay

25:11

bar? Not that I've ever No. I've never been

25:13

to one.

25:16

But what about a gay bar and, like,

25:18

there's two girls and they are

25:20

hitting on each other. And everyone's kind of

25:22

staring at him, which is very funny

25:24

because in my mind, I was waiting for them

25:26

all to go, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do that. But

25:29

he has no concept here. They're

25:31

all just a little bit like, well okay.

25:34

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're a they're a little bit

25:36

like gay people come to this, and I got the feeling

25:39

that it wasn't we don't want to offend

25:41

gay people. It was more like, we're

25:44

looking for something more. Like, what do

25:46

they

25:46

do? Salacious. Yeah, something

25:48

salacious. But yeah. Like,

25:50

what? Where do they like? Yeah. Well, and

25:52

it's later, I think in that same scene

25:54

or a similar pitch meeting, it's it's a woman

25:56

that comes up. She's like, what if there's like

25:59

lesbian? What if there's lesbian? Then I'm like,

26:01

girl,

26:02

like, potential homosexual account

26:04

number three right there. It's

26:06

that scene and then she she also I think

26:08

it's the same girl you're talking about, she's the one that mentioned

26:10

it's like it's a it's a problem because everyday

26:14

down at the at the standing shack

26:16

or wherever it is, she works. At least one

26:18

lesbian couple comes in every

26:20

day. Oh my god. But

26:24

I think it was funny that Tim actually said

26:26

Tim then says, no, don't wanna

26:28

go there. Because and his his his

26:30

reasoning and his logic is because

26:33

the kids in the hell house spend

26:35

a lot of time together. So doesn't

26:37

wanna put them in -- Yeah. -- boyfriend and girlfriend

26:39

scenes or, yeah, or, like,

26:41

couple scenes, purely

26:43

because he understands that from

26:46

biological, like, imperatives,

26:49

these kids are kinda end up fucking.

26:51

Right?

26:51

Like, that's

26:52

just the way it's gonna happen. It's

26:54

the way like, adolescence works.

26:57

Like, you can spend more than twenty

26:59

minutes with another

27:00

adolescent. You're gonna be like, we're

27:02

gonna make out

27:03

Yeah.

27:04

Like, can I touch your junk? Can I see your junk?

27:06

Right. Because I might have to I don't you

27:08

know. So so another important

27:10

thing, we're we're kinda getting to know our cast characters

27:12

here. Do you remember the nineties? Do you remember the

27:15

nineties? The nineties was when

27:17

branding became king?

27:20

When brand like, branding something

27:22

like a t shirt. And

27:24

and it kind of ties into, we'll see a scene

27:26

later at the mega church.

27:29

And the fucking, like,

27:31

shop, the coffee shop

27:33

at the mega church. I was like, what

27:35

the So I would like to

27:37

point out the t shirts in that,

27:39

like, throughout this film, all the t shirts they're

27:41

wearing are so skater

27:44

boy nineteen ninety 9-

27:46

Uh-huh. -- like the same block font.

27:48

Like, it's either in blue and black. Like, it's like

27:51

it's so like but

27:53

this entire fucking movie of

27:55

Youth Pastor Mustache has

27:58

a giant Chick fil A probably

28:00

sweet tea the entire

28:03

time. Yeah.

28:03

That is the Lord's trade. Didn't clog That did you

28:05

straight. Let's see. So Listen. Listen. Listen.

28:08

I do I do not partake of the Christian chicken.

28:10

That is where I personally draw

28:13

the line

28:13

behind. I will go to Zach's

28:15

Bees. Thank you very much. Yeah. Or

28:17

Wendy's. You're

28:20

still right though. These people are merged out,

28:22

my friend. Like, it's incredible. I love one

28:24

of the girls who had a t shirt that had has

28:27

cruise effects. It has a lightning bolt coming

28:29

out from the bottom of the Oh, yeah. And then

28:31

our our our our our

28:33

cheaper Matt

28:34

Damon, Thaddeous, with

28:36

the backward ball cap on

28:38

and all that. He's got that Smod

28:41

shirt on. Yeah. What is Smod? I

28:43

noticed

28:43

that, and I don't know what that is. It stands

28:45

for a number of things. I think in his case,

28:47

it probably means staff member on duty,

28:50

but I'm not sure that he

28:51

understands, like, all of the different

28:53

ways that that act paramilitary

28:55

sort of connotations that that Yeah.

28:57

Yeah. And all of the really, actually,

29:00

there are some pretty I'm trying to

29:02

remember one of them right now. SMOT

29:04

is a is a a is

29:07

deep inside of SMOT metal. As

29:09

well. So Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

29:11

I've I just can't remember the specific

29:13

way that the acronym breaks

29:15

down, but I thought that fairly ironic.

29:17

Oh my god. It's like it's like he had a

29:19

four unlawful Arnold knowledge t shirt

29:22

on or something. It was like, don't know. What does

29:24

it mean? You know? Okay.

29:27

So let's talk about auditions.

29:31

Oh, my well, okay. Yes. Let's talk about

29:33

auditions. Oh, wait. Can we before

29:35

we

29:35

go, can we can we just bring up

29:37

the the at the marketing meeting is

29:39

where they first bring up their their

29:42

pinnacle

29:42

idea, which is the plexiglass

29:45

hell.

29:45

Oh, yes.

29:46

Oh, my oh my god. Please someone call

29:48

OSHA. Please. I some or

29:51

liability -- equity. --

29:53

something. Uh-huh. Yeah.

29:56

So their plan is a a final

29:58

room that is held. So, like, the audience

30:01

gets sent to hell, and

30:03

you're in this, like, dark black

30:05

room. And then on the floor,

30:07

they were gonna dig, it'd be like the

30:09

space below the floor covered in

30:11

plexiglass inside there would be

30:14

smoke and fire and brimstone

30:16

and people under pressing their hands

30:19

and faces clamoring to get

30:21

out. And I like this I'm

30:24

yeah. Thank you for bringing that back up, because

30:26

it's a

30:26

Bolt. Listen.

30:27

As as directorial choice,

30:29

it is a bold move. It's it's great

30:31

storytelling. Yeah. It is. And

30:33

he says, I love his intention too

30:36

because he's like, it's not just about I

30:38

don't wanna just have the audience look

30:40

and see people trapped in hell. Want the audience

30:42

to also feel trapped in hell. And

30:45

I'm like, that's yes. That's intentionally

30:48

in artistry. Strong choice. But

30:50

man, the liabilities. Oh my god.

30:52

Oh,

30:53

well later when they're building it, they're

30:55

like, okay, girls don't touch the lights.

30:57

They're very hot. They're

30:59

super hot. No. No. They're they're only

31:01

like seventy five watt. It'll be fine. You'll be fine.

31:03

You'll be fine. Yeah. So Don't breathe

31:05

in too deep. He says to them.

31:08

As they're filling it with smoke machine.

31:10

Smokey, you're good for the next 334

31:12

hours? Right. You're good. Right? You're good done there.

31:15

Let's talk about

31:16

auditions. Let's get to these auditions. So

31:18

I the thing about this movie that's

31:20

so crazy to me that I guess it was

31:22

just kind of a thing I didn't even think to

31:25

prepare myself for, is how

31:27

flippant it is the way people

31:30

talk about the characters or scenes

31:32

they're playing. Yeah. And guess it makes sense because working

31:35

in theater, you're like, you're sword

31:37

carrier number five, and a Shakespeare play

31:39

or whatever. So you're just saying literally what

31:41

your character is because that's the only

31:43

I'm the one who defines it. So the

31:46

way they're like, there's one person

31:48

being interviewed who talks about, like, I

31:50

I used to I used to play the

31:52

suicide girl. She was also the incest. She

31:54

was also the incest girl. Mhmm. You

31:57

know, just phrases like this, like, I'm really

31:59

hoping to get the abortion part this year.

32:01

I really, you know, I think I think Dave is

32:03

going out for AIDS. And then another

32:05

guy is, like, I don't wanna be drug dealer again.

32:07

I really wanna take on something

32:09

else. And it's just this way in which

32:12

Yeah. It's just flippant. Right? It's just

32:14

very, very matter of fact -- Yeah.

32:16

--

32:16

as the as the non Christian here,

32:19

as the as the like fundamentally grew up

32:21

without organized religion of any kind.

32:23

This was where I was the love the sinner,

32:25

hate the sin. Yes. Argument

32:28

always broke down for me. Like

32:30

at the age of like fourteen fifteen. Because

32:33

I was like, why don't you call her

32:35

Meghan? Yes. Or Carol.

32:38

Right? Or David?

32:41

Yeah. Why is it why is it drug

32:43

dealer? Why, you know, like, what like,

32:46

you are conflating that person

32:48

to a single sin and yet this is

32:50

the whole thing is that you're like, I love

32:52

David. But listen, if he deals

32:54

that date rape drug, then

32:56

straight to hell he goes. Yeah. And off.

32:58

I well, I think you're I think you're pointing out a really,

33:00

really of potent point

33:03

within the concept of faith based

33:05

beliefs. Right? Like, there's a lot of

33:08

as we'll continue to talk through, there's

33:10

there's lot of gas lighting that goes on --

33:12

Mhmm. -- intentional and

33:15

unintentional. There's there's tons of

33:18

forced learning. Right? And

33:20

that's that's one of the ways that you you can

33:22

just brush aside the the

33:25

nuance and the complexities of reality

33:27

is to just abstract and generalize

33:30

it. And that is a feature

33:32

of sin within church. Right?

33:35

Keep the message simple. Keep the message

33:37

simple. When for sticker politics works,

33:40

if we if we just make it about if

33:42

it's just simply drug dealer

33:44

that we don't have to deal with all the individual

33:47

nuances that life presents

33:50

and we can It's pure magic prop. Yeah.

33:52

We can come up with a we can come up with an with an

33:54

immediate solution. It is so it's

33:56

so systemic too because that that

33:58

indoctrination what you do

34:00

is you create this whole house, you create

34:02

this really fun activity because it's

34:04

theater. It gets your heart pounding. When

34:06

they're pitching shows the same way that

34:09

CECL you and I used to pitch shows for the NeoFuturist,

34:12

they're pitching stories the way people

34:14

at, you know, on TV sketch

34:16

shows will do it. It is it is

34:18

actually a really good, you know, structurally.

34:21

This is a great training in ground for creating theater,

34:23

creating art. But

34:25

it is it is also and

34:27

it's a fun thing and it's a thing kids love

34:29

to do. Kids love doing theater. They love

34:31

being part of clubs, part of sports, teams,

34:33

whatever. And so what you do is you create

34:36

this fun thing for them to be a part of as

34:38

a group. But all the while, you

34:40

are pounding that message into

34:42

these kids. And by giving them parts And

34:45

as the adults frame it also as in

34:47

like, oh, you're the rape person. You're

34:49

the you're the drug dealer person. You're

34:51

the you're the AIDS guy. There's

34:54

this way in which you don't by not

34:56

giving the character names. Even

34:58

if the character has a name, you are

35:00

also indoctrinating these kids into those

35:02

those very base ideas. And it's so

35:05

horrible because that shit carries

35:07

with you as you go forward in

35:09

life. It's insidious. Absolutely. It's

35:11

literally the definition of insidious. What

35:13

what I also this is why I love theater. This

35:15

is why I love the what they were doing,

35:18

and I just hate, you know, I'm I'm loving the theater.

35:20

I just hate the singers being better doing it. Is

35:23

that what is really fascinating about

35:25

theater, especially at a younger age and why

35:27

believe in community theater, and why I believe in teaching

35:30

theater to public school, is

35:32

watching the family dynamic of mister

35:35

mustache getting his young, pretty cheerleader,

35:37

daughter ready, and she's like, okay, I think I'm gonna

35:39

go for for this very intense

35:42

role.

35:42

Mhmm. And he's

35:43

like, I don't know. I don't know. And

35:45

then, you know, you you see the auditions. And

35:47

it's like any audition, in which

35:50

everybody gets up and they're doing their best.

35:52

I noticed in this audition, a lot

35:54

of them tend to clutch their

35:56

check clutch their

35:57

heart.

35:57

There's a lot of there's a lot of there's a lot of

35:59

heart

35:59

clutching. There's a lot of heart clutching because

36:02

you know that they really mean what they're saying.

36:04

There's a lot of there's a lot of outstretched arms

36:07

and bending at the waist. Yep. Anytime

36:09

I see people bend at the waist, I'm like, you

36:11

have hips. We don't we don't bend at

36:13

the

36:13

waist. That's not a thing that humans

36:16

do. There's a lot of me. And

36:18

when I say me, I point to me, and a lot

36:20

of you -- Right. -- when I say you, I point

36:22

to you. Mhmm. But what is

36:24

really fascinating is that it it's open.

36:27

So, you know, there's a girl who goes

36:29

in and I I don't remember what's seen, what bullshit

36:31

seen she's doing. But she's killing it.

36:33

Like, she's I was like, watching, I was like, girl,

36:36

like, if I was an educator, like,

36:38

you're in line for the scholarship to go

36:40

to, like, you know, the Tennessee state, you

36:43

know, like theater school or whatever.

36:45

Mhmm. And and it's so funny because you

36:47

can see the pastor Dean

36:49

lied up and he's like, well, we found a winner

36:51

here, but also you wonder, like, what

36:53

is that girl's, like, did

36:55

she come out of nowhere? You know, like,

36:58

theater is a chance for you to show a different

37:00

side of your personality that is within

37:02

you to the rest of your community through

37:04

a character that they didn't fucking know that

37:06

you had in you. And this is

37:09

the way that they're doing it, which is, like and it's

37:11

also in a very, like, nineteen

37:13

seventies educational. Like, everything

37:15

is, like, so institutional. Yeah.

37:18

Jim, any Christmas?

37:19

The standard outside, like, waiting

37:21

for the call lit the the cast list to come

37:23

out, and I'm like, oh, shit.

37:25

Flashback. Flashback. Flashback. Yeah. Absolutely.

37:27

Well, what's interesting too is I think, you know, it

37:29

it the the the

37:31

the auditor panel, the

37:34

the Health House producers. Let me just call

37:36

them that. They're not only looking

37:39

at people for performance

37:42

quality and, like, is that person

37:44

good enough to play the suicide

37:47

girl. They're also sorting them

37:49

through their faithfulness -- Yeah. -- and

37:51

their and their spirit will resolve.

37:53

Like, So they're really judging them

37:56

based on, like, how often

37:58

they come to church and how committed

38:00

to the church they are, which I have

38:02

like, two full feelings about it.

38:04

Like, on one side, I'm like, come

38:07

on now. Like, they're they're they're active.

38:09

They're trying to they're gonna make your health house

38:12

great because they're good actors. Why are you so

38:14

concerned about their faithfulness? But then

38:16

it also kind of rang to me as though maybe

38:18

there are people that drop out You

38:20

know?

38:20

Yeah. Like, they they have -- Sure. -- they have actors.

38:22

They get them. They they're in the process, and then they

38:24

drop out because they're not regular

38:26

churchgoers. You know? And even

38:28

starts by saying, like, this is gonna be a

38:30

long hard for

38:32

us. We're going on the pilgrims you

38:35

know, you heard about you heard about going to Mecca.

38:37

Fuck

38:37

that. We're we're gonna

38:38

produce a two month hell house, so get

38:41

ready Christian soldiers. You know,

38:43

it's funny that use of because

38:46

that conversation where the

38:49

the the cheerleader kill she kills

38:51

it in her, like, abortion scene audition.

38:53

She's really good. And they're all blown

38:55

away by her. And the one

38:57

of the assistant producers is like that.

38:59

She's amazing, and fake Mike White

39:02

says, yeah. And then he questions her,

39:04

like, spiritual path

39:07

or say he says something vague like that. And I think, you

39:09

know, being in a theater company where we did auditions

39:11

and things, there would be some red

39:13

flags in some people who were very talented.

39:16

And a lot of times, those were things, like, we were

39:18

just like, you were just saying, Chris, which is,

39:20

can this person actually be in our our company

39:22

demands a lot of time attention. This person

39:24

has so many things going on. This

39:27

might actually not be a good fit. Sure.

39:30

It's not that I'm judging them. It's more

39:32

just that's that's a red

39:34

flag. I'm just gonna put a pin on that. I don't know if

39:36

that's the

39:36

right thing. Can you make this one of

39:38

your top three things, top five things

39:41

in your life right now? And there's a there's

39:43

a specificity to that. There's a specificity

39:46

to our company requires x amount of hours

39:48

per week. There's a specificity to

39:50

this person was really talented, but they

39:52

set some weird shit that made people uncomfortable.

39:55

Mhmm. There's a specificity to I don't

39:57

know if they're the right might fit personality wise

39:59

that they might cause some problems. Absolutely.

40:01

But in this, they're just vaguely questioning

40:04

how good a Christian you

40:05

are. Yeah. And in her case

40:07

in her case, in Alex Andrey's case, this

40:09

is the name of the cheerleader girl. The the it's

40:12

also because and and you get kind

40:14

of a hint of this subtextually

40:16

here, and then it's talked a bit about a little bit more

40:18

later, I think. But that she's kind of

40:21

the proxy has prin because

40:24

of her mother. I'm like, yeah. Because

40:26

her mother had the Internet affair and

40:28

then they've but we're getting to that later.

40:30

But, like, So so they're they're she's

40:33

she's the proxy master print. Right? So,

40:35

gosh, she's great. She's she's she's

40:37

she's really gonna nail this, but that

40:39

family. You know? Can we talk about this

40:41

family for a

40:42

second? Because well, they're they're they are the next

40:44

scene actually. Yeah. They're the next scene with

40:46

dad cooking eggs for dinner and he's bathing his

40:48

son and he's got another son who

40:51

who's a toddler

40:53

who has cerebral palsy. Like,

40:55

this scene, like, I knew we made

40:57

the correct choice when we chose this movie for a horror

41:00

movie podcast. But the

41:02

seizure -- Oh. -- and where it falls in

41:04

the course of this film is

41:07

shocking. Like, it's like, I was literally

41:09

clutching my pillow because everything's

41:11

pretty

41:12

normal. You know, you're like, oh my god. Here we

41:14

go. On the rollercoaster of

41:16

an afternoon. Look at all these bad pictures. Yeah.

41:18

Yeah. Tic, tic, tic, tic, tic, tic, tic,

41:20

tic, right, and then like you said

41:22

in the middle of making eggs for dinner, you know,

41:25

and he's like, we got a Caesar. We got like, it goes

41:27

into, like, a very different tone.

41:30

And you see a side of this family

41:32

and you like this family dynamic begins

41:35

to un begins to reveal itself.

41:37

Very slowly. My heart really kind

41:39

of like broke

41:42

in that

41:42

scene. And and it's, you know,

41:44

for a number of reasons, not just the

41:47

the the seizure of

41:49

the poor the poor kid. But

41:52

with the cerebral palsy, but just

41:54

the the the recognition and

41:57

realization of

41:59

this single father --

42:01

Yeah. -- working so hard

42:03

and clearly loving his kids and existing

42:06

in this understandable passive

42:08

aggressive relationship with his teenage daughter.

42:10

Mhmm. And but but just

42:12

trying to hold everything together and

42:14

And I just can't believe, you know, it's like, you can

42:16

imagine how difficult that

42:19

must be, but it really pointed and highlighted for

42:21

me the fact that that is one of the primary

42:23

drivers of of faith

42:25

based

42:26

beliefs. Right? Like situations

42:29

life is hard. Life is still

42:31

hard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And to have

42:33

something to believe in

42:36

makes it easier for people. You need

42:38

a rod and a staff. It doesn't make

42:40

it true, but it makes it

42:42

easy to

42:42

touch.

42:43

Yeah. I I watched this scene over again, and the

42:45

second time I watched the Middle Sun.

42:48

Oh,

42:48

interesting. You don't you don't even notice

42:50

him. Mhmm. But you watch this middle sun

42:52

I watch this middle sun interact with

42:54

the camera Mhmm, interact

42:57

with the EMT guys that came

42:59

over that were checking and you

43:01

saw a child literally being

43:03

lost in the shuffle. Is what I saw.

43:06

You know, like because, you know, the

43:08

little brother has, you know, oh my god,

43:10

gets all the attention and this kid is literally,

43:13

like, like, inserting himself into

43:15

scenes. Yeah. And it's like you can

43:17

see in his, like, little seven year old brain,

43:19

eight year old brain, he's like, Someone someone

43:21

look at me. Someone acknowledge me. And

43:23

I'm like, get ready because in four you're

43:25

gonna be ready for youth

43:26

group.

43:27

And you will be

43:28

seen all you want. Because we have plenty

43:30

of opportunities for you to be seen. You can

43:32

you'll get to be the death DJ.

43:36

Oh, this young boy has his seizure.

43:39

Dad calls nine eleven. And

43:41

in the process of calling nine eleven, he's kind of,

43:43

like, muttering, just kind of vague prayers under

43:45

his breath.

43:46

Like, come on God, please. God, please. God, whatever.

43:48

Which Like, yes. Yes. Of course.

43:51

Yeah. And and then the boy comes out of

43:53

the seashore, and he is he

43:55

can't stop. Telling himself the

43:58

camera that's on him and then the EMTs

44:00

who do come even though he

44:02

says everything's fine. To be like,

44:04

yeah, you you pray to God and you get you get

44:06

miracles. And the this question

44:08

will come up a couple times in this documentary,

44:10

even it's always in the back ground of this documentary

44:13

and of Christianity in general is

44:16

why do I have to ask God for help

44:19

at the time that I need it to cause

44:21

like, why do when good things happen out

44:23

of the blue? We attribute that to

44:25

Jesus, but when bad things happen

44:27

out of the

44:28

blue. What? III

44:30

you know, there's not lot of

44:32

logic going on here. I

44:34

mean, we can clear this up because, you know, when

44:37

there's a hurricane, that's that's gay

44:39

men. Right? Like, gay gay gay kids

44:41

caused this hurricane. Undoubtedly, like

44:44

I think that's what I heard last

44:45

from, you know, this section of the fence.

44:48

We start to also learn a

44:50

little bit more about mustache

44:52

dad. We start learning more about dads,

44:55

the affair affair. We get a hint

44:57

about that, you know, his wife is

44:59

gone --

45:00

Yep. -- from the scene.

45:02

We don't have we don't

45:03

have the details yet, but we know that she's

45:05

she's like see a little bit of his

45:07

relationship to his daughter, like this kind of

45:09

as you said, passive aggressive kind of fight.

45:12

She's very teenage daughter annoyed with her, like,

45:14

corny dad. Yeah. Oh, come

45:16

on dad. But dad is so

45:18

proud of his daughter that she's he's like, I'm a little

45:20

nervous, but I'm so proud that she's going out for the

45:22

abortion part. And then

45:24

it's like it's almost like my baby's all grown up

45:26

that she can do an abortion scene

45:28

now. Oh, yes.

45:31

Yeah. He then tells her he's like, I'm

45:33

thinking about going out for the family violence

45:35

scene. Oh, dude. Aria

45:37

and it's really interesting because when

45:39

you learn that his

45:42

wife had had this Internet

45:44

affair and when we see that scene played out later,

45:46

he he's not cast in But when we

45:48

see that scene later, it is a scene about a

45:51

man finding out a a

45:53

salting, choking and

45:55

killing, I think, of ultimately stabbing his

45:57

wife -- stabbing multiple times.

45:59

-- abusing his daughter, abusing a physically

46:01

abusing his daughter and wife. Using his

46:04

daughter, choking and stabbing his wife

46:06

because she had an Internet affair on

46:08

him. It's mind boggling to me

46:10

that these things could potentially be

46:12

coincidental. That that scene was chosen

46:15

for Health House. Regardless

46:18

of the reality of of of

46:20

mister Kussar's life, like, how

46:22

is it possible that they put that scene in

46:24

a hell house? And it's not has

46:26

some it must have something to do with

46:28

him. Right?

46:28

Yeah. It's not like church congregations, gossip,

46:31

at all about the other people in the

46:33

congregation or anything. It has to

46:35

have come from there. Yeah. Yeah. I'm

46:37

gonna throw out a I'm gonna throw out a one off. This is

46:39

this is going back a bit. Why you gotta

46:41

hate on Magic: The

46:42

Gathering? Oh,

46:43

that's good. Yeah. Yeah. That is coming up,

46:45

you know, when you're writing the the the

46:47

script for for, like, a

46:49

way in which kids are indoctrinated to

46:52

the occult by reading Harry

46:54

Potter and then, why you gotta

46:56

hate on magic the gathering? And magic the gathering,

46:58

but I love love this, like, sponsors,

47:01

like, ninety second

47:04

scene of just these two

47:06

people nuts. Well, this one

47:08

woman who's typing it uncertain. Was

47:10

it like the magic, the what? She was

47:12

like, okay. So it's just magic that

47:14

she's into. He's like, no. It's magic, the gathering.

47:17

And he was like so she she was like, can I just

47:19

call it a magic

47:20

gathering? He's like, no. No. No. The name of the game

47:22

is magic. The gathering.

47:25

It's like the Christian who's on first

47:27

I

47:27

guess what I was gonna say.

47:28

It's just an added Castello bit.

47:31

Yeah. Like, it feels like it anyway. It's It

47:34

is absolutely don't know. It's on

47:35

third. Quickly quickly followed

47:38

up by some some

47:39

of the lines here. Hey. Hey.

47:41

You wanna be a Satanist? No.

47:44

You know, if I was talking to Norm Morrison, they'd be like, hey,

47:47

you want me to say this, no, no, I

47:49

was like, Okay.

47:52

And also the conversation this a little bit later,

47:54

but kind of bit of summer thing, like, of just

47:56

dumb, amazing. Like, would why you love

47:58

documentaries? In general is

48:01

because you see people, you catch them

48:03

when they're not performing, and they're just behaving,

48:06

and they say People say the darkest

48:07

things, they

48:08

do. Like, Like

48:09

when they're having conversation about what color

48:12

they should paint the pentagram.

48:14

Oh my god. Y'all. Y'all. Y'all. Y'all.

48:16

Y'all. Y'all. Y'all. Y'all. Y'all. Y'all. Y'all.

48:17

Y'all. Y'all. Y'all. Y'all. Or red?

48:18

Is it white or red? No. It's red. It's always rosters.

48:21

Oscars pretty pretty

48:23

convinced that that white and black together

48:25

are in cultism. But pastor

48:27

Tim is like that warlock came

48:30

through a couple of years ago and

48:32

said, saying

48:34

as white, it occultism. And

48:37

I'm like,

48:38

what? What? A murlock

48:40

came to

48:40

the house. What you know, they

48:42

did

48:43

because honestly, it's the greatest show in town.

48:45

It's the biggest

48:45

show in town. Yeah. Of

48:47

course, a warlock came Everybody loves to be

48:49

outraged. That's what Twitter was made about.

48:52

You need an expert to have,

48:54

you know you know, some some

48:56

some source some good source information with

48:59

your building house You want a warlock

49:01

or

49:01

two. Oh my god. You need you need a you need a consultant.

49:03

You

49:04

need you need warlock consultant. You

49:06

got my number. There was 146

49:08

other confessional I thought was really interesting,

49:10

and then we'll get to our introduction

49:12

of our cop

49:13

character. Oh. But there was some Yeah.

49:15

wChris Foonie. Of the movie.

49:17

Oh, yeah. Oh, Jesus.

49:19

He was a you've passed your Tim

49:21

about the history of the pent cast

49:23

revival in Azusa, California.

49:26

And he talked about how it

49:28

was, you know, and he's, you know, mentions Azusa

49:31

as part of Los Angeles County, and

49:33

he says there was very popular,

49:35

but there was a black minister of

49:37

the pentecostal revival. And it's this really

49:40

interesting way of noting that the

49:42

pentecostal revival began with

49:44

a black person. And and

49:46

it was, you know and he points this out,

49:48

you know, tells us this history, and he

49:50

says, but a lot of people didn't like

49:52

that. So they began

49:54

their own thing in Little Rock Arkansas.

49:57

Yeah. And it is him not saying

49:59

the part out loud, but he was like, well, it started.

50:01

And of

50:02

course, white people are like, oh,

50:04

this is cool. Can we just have it for

50:06

ourselves though? We don't need you here.

50:08

Yeah. Exactly. And he he he

50:10

brushes by that pretty non

50:12

ironically, doesn't he? Like, it it

50:15

it raises an eyebrow or two? I'd say.

50:17

Well, I say I say that the other eyebrow

50:19

will be raised as well when we see

50:21

who is cast in the drug deal

50:23

scene. Oh, dear. But

50:25

but there's the there's also the

50:27

the trinity, no pun intended

50:29

of eyebrow raising, is that they

50:32

They paint a star of David instead

50:34

of a

50:34

pentagram. Shut the front door.

50:37

Oh, I

50:37

missed that. Yes. Oh. It's a star

50:39

of David. It's not a pentagram at

50:41

all. What?

50:42

Yeah. My third eye eyebrow just

50:44

what I'm saying is literally is

50:46

raised.

50:47

Right. It

50:47

is raised. My third eye eyebrow is raised. They're

50:49

calling it a pentagram.

50:50

Fucking Texas weather. So back and look it

50:52

up

50:53

look find that moment in the movie. It is

50:55

a fucking star updated.

50:57

I fucking missed that entirely. Oh.

51:00

We'll get we'll get to all of that. Let's

51:02

talk about the rave. Let's talk about what

51:04

happens at Rave's shallow God.

51:07

Thaddeous.

51:08

Thirtieth. Our our our cheaper our cheaper

51:10

Matt Damon.

51:13

Yeah. That it's kinda true. Yeah.

51:15

Like La Palusa Matt Damon. Yeah.

51:17

All I could think about if you've if you've seen

51:20

the righteous gemstones as the character,

51:22

Keith.

51:23

I still need to watch that show. It's great and

51:25

Keith in that show is a

51:27

former basically, like, metal

51:30

scene, like, that emo metal rave

51:33

scene, like, from the Like, my chemical romance

51:35

scene kinda something around that

51:37

kind of thing, you know. And

51:39

and he's that character and he's absurd

51:41

in right, just gemstones. He's really

51:43

funny there's a thing where, like,

51:45

you can tell he always kind of wants to be

51:47

back in that group, but he's trying to keep himself out

51:49

of it because of all of the peripheral things

51:52

like drugs and sex. So now he Keith

51:54

is very, very, very Christian. And

51:57

then I see

51:58

Thadeus, our DJ. No, boys.

52:00

His name is groovelistic quick

52:03

fix machine. The

52:07

dot org dot com

52:09

dot org. Don't know. I will be going

52:11

to groove a holistic quick fix

52:13

machine dot com sometime in the near

52:15

future. Yeah. That's that's literally

52:17

his website. Yeah. That's his website. Oh,

52:19

I wrote that shit down. And if you and

52:21

then when I watched this movie, I'm like, oh,

52:24

Keith from righteous gemstones is a

52:26

completely normal

52:27

character. Young faces because this

52:29

is there's nothing absurd

52:31

to this at all.

52:32

That's why fucking love doc like a good documentary

52:35

shows you just how insane

52:37

people are by just living

52:39

fattiest, pluralistic. He

52:42

talks about how he's like, I'm part of this

52:44

rave you know, the the it was

52:46

part of this for a long time, and

52:48

that was my scene. And, you know, the

52:50

thing is, like, drugs are so big.

52:53

Everybody's on the drugs. People

52:55

just pass drugs out to each other and people

52:57

will just take whatever is put in their

52:59

hand.

53:00

Was this like the Was this, like, the seventies

53:02

when he was in the Right. I don't know. It was

53:04

just, like, three months ago, you know. Yeah.

53:06

But you know what, he realized he

53:09

was there as Christ's emissary

53:12

and he pulled dozens.

53:15

Maybe half a dozen. Maybe

53:17

Okay. Maybe once he saw

53:19

someone who was dehydrated

53:21

and gave them some of his water.

53:23

Maybe. His body's exaggeration

53:26

was pretty

53:26

astounding. A dozen bodies a night.

53:28

A dozen bodies a night. And then he was, like, well,

53:30

maybe not a dozen. That's an example. It's really six to

53:32

ten. Eight to ten. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Something like that.

53:34

I'm, like, that's really not that much of a reduction.

53:36

Daddiest. Like, I think probably nobody's.

53:39

Nope. I was like, you you

53:41

probably just, like, hung awkwardly out

53:44

outside and just sited up to girls

53:46

that you thought were cute is my

53:48

guess. His

53:48

other his other fallacy that he threw

53:51

out there was date drug

53:53

is everywhere. Oh my

53:55

god. Just calling it date rape drug. I was like

53:57

the fact that no person

54:00

throughout this process actually

54:02

knows. We had Google in nineteen

54:04

ninety nine, you guys, or we had Yahoo! At least,

54:06

you gotta look something

54:07

up. Well, they're just like, what is wait. What

54:09

is date rape drug? What what is,

54:12

you know, like, enterprise like, don't know,

54:14

you know, like and they were like, what does it do? How

54:16

does it make you feel? And I'm just

54:18

like, you guys, this is some shoddy.

54:21

Shadi. Writing research. Yeah. It's terrible.

54:23

Well, Thadeus even makes the comment of, like,

54:25

you know, it just relaxes you.

54:29

Oh my god.

54:29

You just feel overly relaxed.

54:31

Oh. Like the chamomonial tea. Yeah. It's

54:33

so

54:35

The chamangal tea is the ultimate. Date

54:38

rape drug, to be honest. One kid where

54:40

they where they were where they were trying to figure out

54:42

the official name. One

54:44

of the kids even threw out it's a Mickey.

54:46

He called it a megasties, which is correct.

54:48

But that is also literally what your

54:50

papa all would call

54:51

it. Like

54:52

that. Just like some World War

54:54

two shit. Exactly. GHP

54:56

is the actual drug just so

54:58

we're, like, all in the same page here.

55:00

I'm also dubious of anyone in this

55:03

documentary who's, like, I I

55:06

know a thing, but I don't know that much about

55:08

it. So when he's like, the date rape drug,

55:10

I don't even know what it's

55:11

called. I'm like, oh,

55:12

not that I would have above. No. No. No. No.

55:14

No. No. I think we're I I was skipping back a little

55:16

bit, but I wanted to go back to the the the

55:19

high school or the the Christian

55:21

school where we where we're first really

55:23

kind of meet John Michael

55:26

Barras, the the teacher

55:28

who Oh, senior Barras. Yes,

55:30

senior Barahas, who introduces

55:34

us to the reality

55:36

of the Trinity school where

55:38

everything is especially

55:41

history taught with a Christian perspective.

55:44

Teach the controversy. He was

55:47

so engaged

55:49

in all of this autonomous gas lighting

55:51

with

55:52

us, which I

55:52

know is kind of interesting in his

55:55

explanations of why it is

55:57

that way. But I thought it was fascinating

55:59

because I did a little bit of research on this

56:01

at this point in time when this

56:03

came out and I don't know what the numbers are.

56:06

But seventy five percent

56:09

of homeschooled children were

56:12

evangelicals. Yeah. Yeah.

56:14

So it's like a feature of

56:16

Christian learning. Right? Is that you have

56:18

to, like, remove the

56:21

kids from

56:22

public education. Yeah, you have

56:24

to get them out of the secular world because

56:27

it's teaching lies. Yeah. I

56:29

can't remember why I heard this quote recently.

56:31

I Kim, if it's in a book or a film, but somebody

56:33

said, like, you know, like, the majority

56:35

of miss education begins at home. You

56:37

know? Like, that's the whole thing. You're like, why do

56:39

pirates where gold earrings and mom

56:41

or dad just make up and they're like,

56:43

oh, yeah. They tell you something.

56:45

And that's where, like, the And it's

56:48

and later, you go to fucking school

56:50

to listen to experts who actually know what they're

56:52

talking about or you at least go to

56:53

library. Yeah. And find out. And that

56:55

that's a that's a big feature of the the

56:58

later doc, Jesus Camp.

57:00

When you watch Jesus

57:01

Camp, you leave the whole, like, concept of, like,

57:03

pulling them out of society

57:05

-- Yep. -- at a very young

57:07

age. And then and then kind of creating microsocieties

57:10

Mhmm. -- like separate microsocieties

57:12

that come together in these. And that's that's

57:14

another tenement of, you know, Christian

57:16

or the sort of Baptist,

57:19

reformed Christian thing is,

57:22

like, we may be separate, we may be spread

57:24

to the wind, but we have

57:26

these these revival meetings that

57:28

brings us all together And you

57:30

know, when you mentioned, you know, there's all these

57:32

hell houses around because this is, you know,

57:34

like, this is just a big 146. But

57:36

they all follow the same script either

57:39

of greater or lesser extent of,

57:41

you know, some are more bloody, some are more this,

57:43

some are more that. But you know that

57:45

there is a template that they would actually

57:47

share at these meetings

57:49

where, you know, you've passed through Dan and senior,

57:52

you know, like, they would those are the god. The

57:54

the big pussies and the fucking, you

57:56

know, the the sub bosses would go

57:58

and swap notes. Yeah. Yeah. Totally.

58:01

Like, I actually live here in North Carolina. There

58:03

is a gorgeous hidden

58:06

lake. Like it is. It is perfect.

58:09

It's a perfect lake house on a lake, kind

58:11

of lake, and it's surrounded by old growth forest.

58:13

And ferns and rhododendrons, and

58:15

the entire lake is owned by a Christian

58:17

camp. And me and my queer

58:19

friends. That's that's

58:22

so cute. I can't talk too much about this

58:23

plan. That's

58:24

why. So camp Crystal Lake. But

58:28

Listen. Everybody everybody's guy die

58:30

sometime. Sure. You know,

58:33

like, everybody's gonna go sometime. And

58:35

-- Yeah. -- you know, I was just

58:36

like, what a beautiful place to have a gay wedding?

58:38

Some there you go. Just a day. Some day.

58:40

Just a dream. I'll be there. If if you

58:42

if you set that

58:43

up, I want

58:44

I wanna be invited. There's another confessional

58:46

with Alex the cheerleader

58:49

daughter who's gonna play the abortion scene. But

58:51

this is where she's talking, saying

58:53

the the the to the camera, saying the presence

58:55

of the devil's re and then she explains

58:58

my mother was seeing another man when she was with

59:00

my father. Alex actually knew

59:02

this guy, show she had met this guy before,

59:05

And then in the separation, she

59:08

says and then it got to the point where legal

59:10

people, she says legal people got

59:13

involved, and the legal people

59:15

got the cases confused, and

59:17

we were all the of us kids were taken

59:19

away from our father for a full month

59:22

and put in a foster home in Bonham, Texas,

59:24

in Central Texas. And she

59:26

says they weren't allowed to talk to their dad, they couldn't

59:28

call him, they couldn't get anything done.

59:30

And she says, you know, I believe suffering

59:33

brings you closer to Jesus. He really

59:35

does love you. And this is more of

59:37

that indoctrination thing like you -- Yeah. --

59:39

you hurt somebody as

59:41

way of getting them to love you. You know what I

59:43

mean? Like, this Jesus concept is is

59:46

that, like, there's no idea

59:48

that, like, goodness and pain may all

59:50

they they do they all come from same source?

59:53

Like, is God creating this so that

59:55

he can Is God making life difficult

59:57

for you so then

59:58

he can help you back up. So you can come

1:00:00

closer to him. If

1:00:01

I push you down on the sidewalk and then give you

1:00:03

a hand back up, you're like, oh thanks. Well,

1:00:05

I you know, it's interesting. We're we're framing

1:00:07

it in that way. And and when we ask these questions

1:00:10

specifically toward how

1:00:12

various theological beliefs

1:00:14

to work. One of the things that rings

1:00:17

pretty potently true to me, and this is a

1:00:19

specific feature of the various

1:00:22

blenders of pentic custalism is

1:00:24

that you kinda get to make

1:00:26

up whatever you want. Right? Like, you

1:00:28

know, you're literally making up the beliefs

1:00:31

as they suit your

1:00:33

your individual life or your little bit of community,

1:00:35

which for me personally is what robs

1:00:37

at all of a certain voracity. You know,

1:00:40

I was like -- Yeah. -- I'm like, don't know. I'm down

1:00:42

with the big mystery, and I think suffering is

1:00:44

a choice and pain is inevitable.

1:00:46

So I don't know. Maybe that's what I believe.

1:00:49

So, you know, the am I right?

1:00:51

I don't

1:00:51

know. But it's the

1:00:53

find out someday. Okay.

1:00:55

It's just the certainty and the certainty

1:00:57

of the

1:00:58

evangelical set brings

1:01:00

that that is always a bit it

1:01:03

scrapes

1:01:04

me. You know? I'm like, it's I'm

1:01:06

like, yeah. No. I don't like your certainty.

1:01:08

You know, at the heart of it, like, III kinda

1:01:10

don't disagree with the idea of framing

1:01:12

your life by saying that,

1:01:14

you know, when bad things happen, it's Jesus

1:01:16

that, like, brings you back up. Like, if that

1:01:18

helps you, that's really

1:01:19

great. I think the --

1:01:20

Absolutely. -- that comes in this.

1:01:23

Prayer does work. Meditation does

1:01:25

work. Like, it's it's a pretty scientific.

1:01:28

And so I'm not out here to be, like, Yeah.

1:01:30

Reexamine the world and hate Jesus

1:01:32

or whatever. Like that's No. No. No. No. But I but

1:01:35

I the problem comes

1:01:37

when they don't understand what

1:01:40

causes what. Because there's a moment

1:01:42

later where, like, one of the screens they do a whole

1:01:44

recording session where they're having the prerecorded audio

1:01:47

for the health scene. And one of the

1:01:49

things that somebody in hell shouts

1:01:52

is when I was a kid, my

1:01:54

uncle did things to me that changed

1:01:56

my life. And I'm

1:01:58

like, you're talking about somebody

1:02:00

being

1:02:01

abused. Do you remember the rest of what

1:02:03

he says? Do you remember the rest of what he says? Someone

1:02:05

my uncle did things to me that changed my life

1:02:08

and now I'm

1:02:09

gay. Yeah. Don't

1:02:11

believe, like like somebody

1:02:13

else made me gay. Yeah.

1:02:15

But I can I can change? Jesus

1:02:17

can change that. These are reasons

1:02:20

this documentary is on a

1:02:22

core

1:02:23

podcast. Right? Like, you know, these are the

1:02:25

truly terrifying realities of

1:02:27

of what's on this actual

1:02:29

film is just

1:02:31

kind of those those really broad,

1:02:33

sweeping, dangerous ideas.

1:02:36

Yeah. There's even a thing with the with the

1:02:39

rave scene when we actually see it in the Hell

1:02:41

House, where the basic

1:02:43

story is the rave girl, gets

1:02:45

drugged by a guy who's like, here, put

1:02:47

this in your drink. We're all doing it. It's great.

1:02:50

And then later, we see her, like, stumbling

1:02:52

home and, like, forgetful.

1:02:54

She's black. She's come out of a blackout. There's

1:02:57

like the skull face. The skull masked

1:02:59

demon is next to her being basically,

1:03:02

we learned through this demon that this girl

1:03:05

was drugged. She was raped

1:03:07

multiple times and that

1:03:10

she is so forelearned that

1:03:12

she cuts her wrists and dies and

1:03:14

then is dragged to hell because

1:03:16

she chooses suicide over

1:03:21

And I'm like, you people do

1:03:23

not This is like psychopathy.

1:03:26

Like, this is psychopathic way

1:03:28

of delineating cause

1:03:31

and

1:03:31

effect. Well, do you know what scene is not in

1:03:33

Hill House? The guys

1:03:35

who put the date rape drug

1:03:37

into a false drink -- that. -- going

1:03:39

to hell. Exactly. Right?

1:03:42

And Yeah. And it's It's like asking

1:03:44

a fish what does water taste like

1:03:46

and they don't even know what the fuck you're talking about

1:03:48

because they're in

1:03:49

it. They're so in it. They don't even

1:03:51

see it. Well, it's that you're

1:03:53

taking the words out of my mouth. I was gonna point it

1:03:55

out. Like, the the the idea that

1:03:58

The consequence of hell is reserved

1:04:00

for the

1:04:01

rape. What the actual

1:04:03

fuck? And the rape and

1:04:06

those who give up and you gave

1:04:08

up. Yeah. You know? And

1:04:10

how do we know this because Jesus when he went into

1:04:12

the fucking desert and sat down with his conscience,

1:04:14

like Satan appeared before him and put

1:04:16

him on top of a temple and said, kill yourself, oh,

1:04:19

you're you're the son of God? Kill yourself. So,

1:04:21

god, just fly away. And Jesus goes, Yeah.

1:04:25

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So maybe I'm like the sun

1:04:27

and also a little

1:04:29

bit alive.

1:04:30

Okay. Yeah. But that whole that that

1:04:32

suicide question is always been a

1:04:34

sticky point with the Christians. You

1:04:37

know, you can read the mythicists of us if you want and,

1:04:39

like, get all into that shit. But, like, really,

1:04:41

when we get to the perfect like the people who were

1:04:43

left outside of the pearly gates of heaven,

1:04:46

Like, it's always a sticking point

1:04:48

for me about, again,

1:04:50

love the sinner, hate the sinner, that

1:04:52

I'm like, I hope bullshit on

1:04:54

you. Just if if

1:04:56

I may.

1:04:57

There's a there's a scene in here that

1:05:00

I kind of thought of as a funny but

1:05:02

throwaway

1:05:03

scene. And then the more I think about it, I

1:05:05

keep coming back to the scene, which is

1:05:07

the semi pro wrestling

1:05:09

scene. Unbelievable.

1:05:10

So important though. So important.

1:05:13

It's so important It's funny

1:05:15

because of all the old people that have been that

1:05:17

are there watching it because it's clearly like

1:05:20

the old people of the church or maybe the old folks

1:05:22

home. It's entertained I'm not sure where this venue

1:05:24

is honestly, this is the lowest tier

1:05:26

of entertainment in East Texas

1:05:29

or wherever the fuck Texas does that.

1:05:31

This that that whole scene is when the movie became,

1:05:34

like, almost something

1:05:36

by Fast Finder or Herzog for

1:05:38

Me. It was like, It was really

1:05:40

a start again. I love. I love that when he

1:05:42

was getting untrusted and

1:05:44

getting ready to leave there

1:05:46

and go to church. He made

1:05:48

he made the statement, you know,

1:05:50

just given the people what they want to

1:05:53

see. I'm

1:05:55

just in a way here. No irony

1:05:58

inside of the idea of how it's, like,

1:06:00

really kind of in conflict with his

1:06:02

with his with his church

1:06:04

life. You know? Fake

1:06:06

vie maybe like glorifying fake

1:06:09

violence as entertainment is like

1:06:11

not.

1:06:11

What? A religion should be like a main

1:06:14

hallmark of a lid out know. That's crazy.

1:06:16

Giving people

1:06:17

what they wanna see is so

1:06:18

Like a buffet. Right? Like, you know, like yeah.

1:06:20

There's banana pudding at the end of the buffet,

1:06:22

but really does anybody eat the banana pudding

1:06:25

in wafers? Maybe some do. I don't know.

1:06:27

Choose the bits you want, you know. Yeah.

1:06:29

That's awful. Well, and honestly,

1:06:32

Those are the people that kids, that

1:06:34

that man's children, are gonna grow

1:06:36

up, and misunderstand the difference between

1:06:38

a president and a television host.

1:06:41

So let's be honest.

1:06:42

Yeah. Yeah. Truly. So

1:06:46

the I think this the part from me that

1:06:48

I started really having crazy flashbacks

1:06:50

to growing up as per my intro was

1:06:52

this, this girl who plays The Rave Girl.

1:06:55

She got she has a she started she's

1:06:57

talking about she's dating boys

1:06:59

and she has a new boyfriend named

1:07:01

Aaron. She's this is the first boy. That

1:07:04

who has

1:07:04

a car. And she's so articulate. She

1:07:06

is so fucking articulate. So articulate.

1:07:08

And she's like, so now because she was like dating

1:07:11

when you don't have a car isn't really dating because

1:07:13

there's always a parent, there's always you don't really get

1:07:15

to know the person the way you want to. And

1:07:18

you know, so now Aaron has a

1:07:20

car and so they can go out

1:07:22

to a date, which we will find out is

1:07:24

church but she

1:07:26

says something that's so logically

1:07:30

I don't wanna call it bonkers. It just kinda

1:07:32

broke my brain when she talks about

1:07:34

what people think of dating. She says, you know,

1:07:36

a lot of people say dating prepares

1:07:39

you for marriage because it it lets you know

1:07:41

what you want in partner what you

1:07:43

want in in a mate. And

1:07:46

but I think if you date

1:07:48

so many too many people and you're always

1:07:50

breaking

1:07:50

up, it's sounds like dating is preparing you for divorce.

1:07:53

That is what we call a logical fallacy.

1:07:55

Tell us

1:07:58

about that Chris. No.

1:08:00

That that is

1:08:01

that is some reduction,

1:08:03

I believe, is how and obviously,

1:08:05

leave that there for everyone to look up. And then

1:08:08

and then the guy shows up and listen.

1:08:10

Oh my god. Do you know how much depth?

1:08:14

Hair gel? Is

1:08:16

in this young boy, this young child's,

1:08:18

this young man's hair,

1:08:20

like it is so fucking

1:08:22

crispy. In a way that listen to

1:08:24

you youngsters, you you millennials

1:08:26

and you pulled with your

1:08:28

hair, with your most and your I don't this

1:08:30

shit was crunchy as fuck.

1:08:32

That was that's a that's a big nineties reality.

1:08:34

Right? The the stovepipe jeans --

1:08:36

Yep. -- the giant, like baggy stovepipe

1:08:38

jeans, the black button up shirt because

1:08:41

he's tough guy, the crunchy hair,

1:08:43

and then she's got a very actually very lovely,

1:08:45

like, you know, hot, like, not hot topic,

1:08:47

but, like, maybe Mary go round, Carousel

1:08:49

kind of dress But then, like,

1:08:52

the caper to me, like, in which I

1:08:54

love it when, like, documentaries show the absurdity

1:08:56

of human behavior is when it's,

1:08:58

like, lightly misting out

1:09:00

side. And so she takes the garbage

1:09:02

bag and puts it over

1:09:04

her head to walk to

1:09:06

his truck with the like, shit.

1:09:08

I was like, this is giving

1:09:10

me everything I want from

1:09:12

documentary. Yeah. My grandmother used

1:09:14

to do that. Oh, shoot. She

1:09:17

didn't she didn't just use the she didn't

1:09:19

just use a, like, a plasma coffee

1:09:21

bag. And she probably had, like,

1:09:23

a thirty dollar, like, cover.

1:09:25

Because she was a beautician and she had, you know,

1:09:27

she had perm and all that, granny would

1:09:30

not go out in the rain without that thing

1:09:31

on, man. This girl says to him

1:09:34

I I spent hours doing

1:09:36

my hair. That's why she has to put this bag on it.

1:09:39

just wrote. Did you did

1:09:41

did you I mean,

1:09:43

she did. She like, listen, that's what

1:09:45

like, you spend all that to think

1:09:47

about how much time you spend

1:09:49

in adolescence not knowing what

1:09:52

the fuck is happening. Yeah.

1:09:54

Like the majority of adolescence sometimes determined

1:09:56

is like, you're like, I don't know what's happening to me.

1:09:59

I don't know what's happening to my parents

1:10:01

or my siblings or the

1:10:03

neighbor. I you don't you just don't know. So

1:10:05

you're just like trying to figure it out.

1:10:08

And then the secret the secret is,

1:10:10

all you have to do is wait a few years and

1:10:12

none of it will matter at

1:10:15

all. No. Maybe a little bit.

1:10:17

But, like, really none of it will matter at

1:10:19

all. You know, you mentioned the dating stuff,

1:10:21

and it it started for Aaron and

1:10:23

and let's just call her Sarah.

1:10:27

She looks like it's Sarah with me. Uh-huh. It

1:10:30

started with Robbie and his

1:10:32

wife. If and her talking about

1:10:34

on our on our classic white

1:10:36

screen.

1:10:36

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Her talking about saving

1:10:39

oneself for marriage. Yeah.

1:10:41

And she's speaking for

1:10:43

him. And this is also kind

1:10:45

of wChris over to Aaron. The girls

1:10:47

are very clear, uh-huh,

1:10:50

about all of this stuff. But

1:10:52

the boys look like they

1:10:54

have things to say that they

1:10:56

can't speak. Yeah.

1:10:59

Yeah. They're they're very quiet. And they're just

1:11:01

kinda nodding their

1:11:02

heads.

1:11:03

Yeah. They're not honest with the situation.

1:11:06

They're not honest with their with their partner.

1:11:08

No. And not us with the part and do you know that

1:11:10

there is also probably a male ministry

1:11:13

a moment at one of these church camps or

1:11:15

thing in which all the dudes get together, that's what

1:11:17

they that is the appropriate time to hash

1:11:19

out all this. Wait. What is a date rape

1:11:21

drug? Wait. Question mark. Question mark. Question mark. And

1:11:24

then and to contrast that from quick

1:11:26

group holistic, like having

1:11:29

him because I think one of our next scenes are

1:11:31

around this is when they're painting

1:11:33

the rave. And this

1:11:35

poor girl says next

1:11:38

to nil, next to nothing.

1:11:40

And he's like, This is my girlfriend. We've been

1:11:42

dating for a while. We're looking to get married,

1:11:44

and it looks like close-up on her and her

1:11:46

eyes. Just go. Mhmm. Right? Yeah.

1:11:50

She was she was actually the

1:11:52

the suicide girl when he was the

1:11:54

death DJ. He he

1:11:56

condemned her soul to hell many

1:11:59

many times. And what a better

1:12:01

effort, diesel acted that. And

1:12:03

then they started going out on dates

1:12:05

after he had condemned her to

1:12:07

hell for so long.

1:12:09

I went to college with that guy. Actually, I'm

1:12:11

realizing I went to college with a

1:12:13

much nicer, much more integrated version

1:12:16

of that

1:12:16

guy. That's what I'm realizing right now. I

1:12:19

knew that I can do that guy. I mean, some of

1:12:21

this is like I don't I don't know how I don't know how

1:12:23

you want writes this. I mean, Jeff or you're a writer,

1:12:25

but I'm like, some of the stuff in this film. I'm just

1:12:27

like, you you can't write these scenes?

1:12:29

No. I'm realizing now watching

1:12:31

this movie that I mean, I sort of

1:12:34

generally got it, but, like, righteous gemstones.

1:12:36

I'm like, yeah, they're they're that's not

1:12:38

even a comedy. They're just putting these characters

1:12:41

into a store. It's just

1:12:43

behaving. I wanna introduce

1:12:46

a new segment to our show, which is called word

1:12:48

of the day. Oh, yes.

1:12:50

I love a good word of the day. And

1:12:52

today's word of the day is

1:12:55

glossalalia. Glassal

1:12:57

Sylalia.

1:12:57

Okay. So Sylalia is commonly

1:13:00

referred to as speaking in

1:13:02

tongues.

1:13:03

So did you know that the I think it was

1:13:05

back in, like, two thousand and were

1:13:08

possibly earlier than that. There was a

1:13:10

Pennsylvania University that

1:13:13

there was a doctor who did very

1:13:15

examined studies on

1:13:18

a scientific research level of

1:13:20

the phenomenon of glossolalia And

1:13:23

obviously, for years and decades, it's been determined

1:13:25

that there is no actual speaking of foreign languages

1:13:28

going on that it's that it's essentially

1:13:30

gibberish

1:13:30

wait,

1:13:31

it's not, like, French or German? Like, well,

1:13:33

that's a wonderful

1:13:34

claim to be no. You

1:13:35

know, it's like

1:13:36

it's like French or

1:13:36

German. It's

1:13:37

like, It's incomprehensible. I

1:13:39

I hate I hate I hate to let you down, dear.

1:13:42

No.

1:13:43

It has no rules at all. Yeah. There

1:13:45

are no rules. His I

1:13:47

thought this was really interesting some of the

1:13:49

data that was called from those research is

1:13:51

that

1:13:53

the act of glossolalia actually

1:13:56

shuts off parts

1:13:59

of the prefrontal cortex --

1:14:01

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. -- that are associated with

1:14:03

introspective realities. And

1:14:05

it kind of lights up certain areas

1:14:07

within the within the limbic that

1:14:10

you you actually are in a state of

1:14:13

of believing that you are are

1:14:15

externalizing

1:14:17

this sense

1:14:19

of deep connection.

1:14:20

Mhmm. It's a trance state. It's a trance

1:14:23

state. It's a trance state. It's a trance

1:14:25

state in the opposite. But when they with the

1:14:27

same research studies being done on people who

1:14:29

engage in, like, does and or mindfulness

1:14:32

meditation. The very opposite parts

1:14:34

of the region light up. Like, with

1:14:36

with meditation, you become

1:14:38

one Yeah. Yeah. You're you're you're

1:14:40

you're going further into those

1:14:42

kind of reason and judgment centers

1:14:44

in the prefrontal areas and kind

1:14:46

of honing and focusing

1:14:49

that sense of connection, which I found that

1:14:51

to be pretty fascinating. And I think that's pretty

1:14:53

evident in the in the phenomenon of

1:14:55

colosselelia within these churches because

1:14:57

it requires a group dependency. Right?

1:15:00

Like, it's there's not a lot of people individuals

1:15:03

out there just walking on the

1:15:04

street, you know. They're they're speaking in

1:15:06

tongues. But it's always concentrated in

1:15:08

a group dynamic. There's it so

1:15:11

if you don't have so if you're not catching the holy

1:15:13

ghost that

1:15:13

day, there are other people around you

1:15:16

that maybe are that could burn

1:15:19

you on. It's a lit it's it's a performative

1:15:21

and performed thing like

1:15:24

and, you know, like, as a theater person doing

1:15:26

mask work, doing transfer, you know, as

1:15:28

a, like, modern day fucking weirdo shaman

1:15:31

dude who's, like, you know, like,

1:15:33

you don't catch the holy ghost.

1:15:35

You don't catch it doesn't happen

1:15:37

out of nothing. You just sort of set

1:15:40

certain things up. In certain

1:15:42

ways. So that way, it

1:15:44

opens these

1:15:47

the chance for you to tap

1:15:49

into this. Yeah. And then and

1:15:51

neurobiologically, it

1:15:53

actually provides certain

1:15:55

stress relieving benefit. Oh my god. So

1:15:57

I'm I'm not gonna I'm not gonna punch down on the

1:15:59

on the glossal a lists, you know, the

1:16:01

like, they're doing pretty good things for their

1:16:03

for their central nervous system. Sure. Listen,

1:16:06

I have had I have had orgasms. I've had

1:16:08

orgasms so good that afterwards I

1:16:10

have spoken in tongues, not gonna lie. Multiplications.

1:16:13

Right on. Unfortunately, drugs

1:16:16

were usually involved. However, that's

1:16:19

what got me there. But it is that moment

1:16:21

of, like, like, where

1:16:24

you like, there

1:16:26

is benefit to it. There is it is a

1:16:28

human

1:16:29

thing, but how you get there

1:16:32

and what you're using that tool for

1:16:34

makes all

1:16:35

the difference in the world. All the difference.

1:16:38

Yeah. It does. Well, and the way it gets

1:16:40

used in here is they're at a Christian bookstore,

1:16:42

and we've got Tim

1:16:43

Tim, the youth minister, basically doing

1:16:46

the worst poetry reading ever, which

1:16:48

is essentially him just rambling

1:16:50

on and on about what God's

1:16:52

intention is for he the the bad

1:16:55

at

1:16:55

it too. He's

1:16:56

terrible. Yeah. They they need to they

1:16:58

need to hire Saul Williams. Man, I think

1:17:00

there's no like, he's

1:17:03

so khaki pants and golf

1:17:05

shirt. Like, this man has never had an out

1:17:07

of body experience in his

1:17:08

life. Oh. And his mess, you know,

1:17:10

is God created

1:17:13

man

1:17:14

to win.

1:17:15

To win. Oh, good. Yeah. That's

1:17:18

such

1:17:19

That's such a threatening thing

1:17:22

to say. Well, you know, that's what got

1:17:24

us into the war in Iraq. So

1:17:26

it's what gets us into the hall. Right.

1:17:29

That is a lot of things. And

1:17:32

there's a question of, like, win over

1:17:34

what, sir? Yeah. Like,

1:17:36

win over of nature,

1:17:39

am I winning against other humans?

1:17:41

Am I winning against Earth? What

1:17:43

am I winning against what

1:17:45

am I defeating? Would

1:17:47

you say? And if you were to

1:17:49

say, well, we're defeating sin, are

1:17:51

we also defeating sinners? How do

1:17:53

you define sin? Sinner, etcetera. And

1:17:56

that's where they get into the

1:17:59

We're all gonna pray now. We're gonna

1:18:01

plant seeds. We're gonna win. Let's

1:18:03

pray. And there's a jam band playing

1:18:05

music while they're all playing

1:18:07

and then blah blah blah and then they're all in

1:18:10

glyceria. They're in songs at

1:18:12

that point. Right? Yeah. Well, I think think

1:18:14

in this context, I've and and in most

1:18:16

of the context that

1:18:18

happen within certain very,

1:18:20

very intense fundamentalist churches

1:18:24

and even beliefs. The notion of when

1:18:26

is how much

1:18:28

resolve do you have to hold

1:18:30

on to your ideas in the

1:18:32

face of all evidence and

1:18:35

and and opposition. That's

1:18:37

what that's what winning

1:18:39

means. That's

1:18:39

totally it. What Jesus said I mean, Jesus

1:18:42

said, well, I'm gonna send some of you out to preach

1:18:44

what I've been telling y'all about and

1:18:47

people are gonna throw sticks and stones at you.

1:18:49

They're gonna try and sue you. Like like,

1:18:51

it is doc you know, like, document.

1:18:53

Like, that's what the doctrine says. Like, he's

1:18:55

like, but she'll get ready. They're gonna

1:18:58

hate to put all you have to do is keep it real simple.

1:19:00

Keep it cute. And just come back here. That's

1:19:02

all that's all Jesus said. Keep it cute.

1:19:05

Love each

1:19:05

other. Keep it cute. Don't have a lot

1:19:07

of worldly goods. Talk about some love,

1:19:10

mhmm, and then come back to home base.

1:19:12

That's all you gotta do, man. Hey, man. I'm

1:19:14

down with Jesus. Jesus is cool. I don't

1:19:16

know how the story turns

1:19:17

out. I'm only halfway through the book.

1:19:19

I think it's gonna be drags in the

1:19:21

middle.

1:19:22

It's

1:19:22

it's rough. Yeah. It's rough. Stick with it.

1:19:25

That final chapter is amazing.

1:19:27

That isn't really That final chapter is a doozy,

1:19:29

my friend. Let's

1:19:32

let's get to the let's get to opening night.

1:19:34

So we haven't even gotten the so let's

1:19:37

get to the the meat of this

1:19:39

movie and talk about the Hell

1:19:40

House. Can I just parenthetical really

1:19:43

quickly before we get to opening night? Is

1:19:45

during the rehearsals period where

1:19:47

they literally just decided to throw out the

1:19:49

script on the first day? I just What shut

1:19:51

off is oh, yeah. That's right. The person

1:19:53

I found that really cute. I was like, oh, right on.

1:19:56

Just throw the script away. Yeah. Because

1:19:59

the person and and the rationale was that

1:20:01

because the person who wrote it didn't

1:20:03

really know anything about these experiences.

1:20:06

I'm like, right.

1:20:08

I'm like, oh, shit. Well, me.

1:20:11

So anyway and

1:20:12

that's when we got introduced to senior

1:20:15

Barras is a

1:20:18

classroom blocking session,

1:20:20

which is whoa, over the

1:20:22

top.

1:20:23

Like, he's he's on the verge of abusing

1:20:25

these kids. You remember this? Yeah. He they're

1:20:27

doing the drug dealers seeing where

1:20:30

senior Brataz is, like, hitting like,

1:20:32

grabbing the kid and throwing against the wall.

1:20:35

We are just blocking, sir,

1:20:37

like, Do you know what marking means?

1:20:39

Like, let's mark through this. Like,

1:20:41

we will get to fight choreography

1:20:44

later. But he is hurtling

1:20:46

this kit against the wall. It's also

1:20:49

where we had the introduction of the

1:20:51

handgun. Now here's another thing

1:20:53

about Christian, like Christians, love

1:20:56

guns. I'm sorry to generalize.

1:20:59

Yeah. But y'all do. You fucking

1:21:01

love your guns. Now, I like guns. I'm

1:21:04

okay with guns. I think guns are a very useful

1:21:06

tool. But here's the thing.

1:21:08

What I don't like. And of course,

1:21:10

it's a cop introducing the

1:21:13

gun. But this is the thing

1:21:15

is like, what do what are we what

1:21:17

are we teaching our children? Like, what what are

1:21:19

you teaching your children? If you're teaching Spanish

1:21:21

for Christians and speech for Christians

1:21:23

and history for Christians, this is

1:21:26

gun safety for Christians. And to be

1:21:28

honest, that's how the the

1:21:31

n the NRA operates at

1:21:33

a level that is very similar to how

1:21:35

fundamental Christians in America operate.

1:21:37

In that, it's a club. It's a club

1:21:40

you'd join, and you get a fucking

1:21:42

coupon book just like

1:21:45

you would get at a high school, that's like,

1:21:47

listen man, I know you probably

1:21:49

you only got you're making minimum wage.

1:21:52

You you don't have a lot. It's You live

1:21:54

a simple life, but you love you

1:21:56

love guns. Right? And you wanna go out shoot guns

1:21:58

with your friends? That's cool. Here's

1:22:01

a fucking coupon book

1:22:03

to like two hundred and fifty different

1:22:05

nationwide stores that can help

1:22:07

you identify other people

1:22:10

that also like guns. It's

1:22:12

the same it's the same fucking technique.

1:22:15

Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. But

1:22:18

Bill Humphrey, our Christopher Maloney

1:22:20

of the movie, the the copier, which

1:22:23

by the way, that's like for some reason, it's

1:22:25

like the most cop name ever. Bill

1:22:27

Humphrey to make for some reason. But,

1:22:29

like, small town small town cop. Right?

1:22:31

Small town cop with a with a trumpet. Right?

1:22:34

But he if we're if our

1:22:36

if our messaging has gone safety, when

1:22:39

he fires this this

1:22:41

snub nosed into a cardboard box,

1:22:44

even though it's a blank, two

1:22:46

feet -- Yeah. -- in front of this cardboard

1:22:48

box that's being held by another

1:22:50

human being, by a person. Like,

1:22:53

I was like, so

1:22:55

I I live in Vegas. Right? So I've I've got

1:22:58

a fair amount of knowledge of guns.

1:23:00

And I grew up around him being from the

1:23:02

south. I can't imagine testing

1:23:06

a blank. On a cardboard

1:23:08

box that someone was holding. No.

1:23:11

We'll see it in front of me. Linked William

1:23:13

Talstile, particularly that caliber

1:23:15

of weapon. Like, I was I was I was astounded.

1:23:17

I think I actually gassed when it happened in

1:23:19

the film. was like, what are you kidding

1:23:21

me? It's shocking that

1:23:24

so when we get to opening night, we're gonna follow

1:23:26

officer Humphreys around because officer

1:23:28

Humphreys, as he told us earlier, like originally

1:23:30

got involved as a basically

1:23:33

just security, but then was so enamored

1:23:36

with the whole process. And ultimately,

1:23:38

till deep down, I'm like, you don't love Christ, you love

1:23:40

stage managing. You like a tech. You like

1:23:42

to be the you like to be a boss. That's

1:23:44

it. Yeah. You wanna be in charge of things. You wanna

1:23:46

be a problem solver, a troubleshooter,

1:23:49

things like that. There's a scene in there

1:23:51

where he he's doing all the problem solving via

1:23:53

walkie talkie. But there's a moment where he has to

1:23:55

deal with something else and he's trying to manage

1:23:58

the blanks in the gun and

1:24:00

he just hands it over to some other

1:24:02

woman who's there and he's like, okay, just make

1:24:04

sure it's these nosed bullets, those are the

1:24:06

blanks, load that You got that. And you just

1:24:08

kinda see her face

1:24:09

like, oh, okay. I think I got that.

1:24:11

Is it that is that literally what

1:24:13

happened on that this set that Alec Baldwin

1:24:15

movie. Yeah. Instead of Russ. Yeah. Yeah.

1:24:18

They're like, think that's right. Yeah. You got this.

1:24:20

You're okay. Don't I gotta go deal with another I gotta

1:24:22

put out another fire. Which is which the

1:24:24

other fire is probably, you know, the children

1:24:26

we've locked in the the fucking casket

1:24:28

of dry ice. Yeah. Yeah.

1:24:31

Are sixty eating. Right before opening

1:24:33

night, however, we did go through the the

1:24:36

the church sermon, and I just wanna bring it up as

1:24:38

we enter into the third act of this

1:24:40

film. Because the

1:24:42

main pastor of Trinity Church,

1:24:44

Jim Hennessy, makes the

1:24:46

point in his sermon that

1:24:49

their purpose here is to infect

1:24:51

-- Yes. -- culture. Right?

1:24:53

Like, he used those words, infect the

1:24:56

culture.

1:24:57

Virulent puritanism. Yeah.

1:24:59

We are the salt. We are the earth. Come

1:25:01

on, everybody. We've been built into this.

1:25:04

So We've got our opening night. I love this

1:25:06

opening night thing. I love a noises off

1:25:08

type of show. I love seeing the backstage of

1:25:11

of a production. It's still waiting

1:25:13

for Guffman of lights. There's,

1:25:15

like, the kids that are, like,

1:25:16

no. The track is going at the wrong

1:25:19

speed. It's just waving their hands in

1:25:21

front of the camera. It is everything

1:25:23

you love about community

1:25:26

theater that when done right, this

1:25:28

is what it does, it gives people something

1:25:30

to get

1:25:30

crazy, and stupid, and fun, and

1:25:33

excited about. And

1:25:34

it's very hard learning that way. Yeah. But

1:25:36

one of the first calls officer Humphrey's

1:25:38

gets is somebody asking in

1:25:41

the some

1:25:43

somebody asking in the the family violence

1:25:45

scene. Mhmm. Their

1:25:48

their stage manager

1:25:49

says, listen, will you look around

1:25:51

officer, will you look around to see if there's a knife

1:25:53

Oh my god. We can't find the knife to cut

1:25:56

the wife's throat with. And

1:25:58

somebody else on walkie tuckie was like, well, I

1:26:00

know Dave has a straight razor, like

1:26:02

a real knife. And he's like, you know, maybe

1:26:04

thought, well, you know, actually go to hell. No. No.

1:26:06

Go to

1:26:07

hell because I know there's I know

1:26:09

there's a machete in hell. Yeah. There's a machete in

1:26:11

hell. It's There's It's like, no. Wait. Go

1:26:13

to hell. Just go to hell. Go to hell. Make a make a right.

1:26:15

But I was

1:26:16

like, wait. You're gonna introduce a real What?

1:26:19

I was I was emotionally, like, where

1:26:21

is your prop's person right now? Like,

1:26:23

please, because you're about to put a real knife

1:26:26

in somebody's hand in the family violence

1:26:28

scene?

1:26:28

Yeah. With the fucking pro wrestler

1:26:31

--

1:26:31

Yeah. -- don't do that. No.

1:26:34

Please someone call OSHA. So we get

1:26:36

to see a few of these scenes played out, we

1:26:38

get to see Jeremy Spoken class today.

1:26:40

And the kind of the premise of most of these

1:26:42

scenes is there's a demon over

1:26:45

your shoulder. It is the classic devil on

1:26:47

the shoulder, which is actually a pretty useful

1:26:50

rhetorical

1:26:51

device. I would say. It's great. It's

1:26:53

super helpful for explaining what's happening in

1:26:55

these scenes and

1:26:56

I I think of it as the as the

1:26:58

less helpful and less benevolent Virgil.

1:27:00

Yeah. That's that's that's that's

1:27:03

sort of this whole virtual.

1:27:04

Yeah. This whole

1:27:05

virtual. It's like, yeah,

1:27:07

go go kill that girl over there. Yeah.

1:27:09

Let's let's no. Right. Yeah. Drag you the

1:27:11

hell. But it's,

1:27:14

you know, it's this kid Jeremy who's doesn't

1:27:16

you know, he's doesn't have his homework. The other

1:27:18

kids are laughing out and the teacher's kind of berating

1:27:20

him. And so he the demons, like,

1:27:22

you know, basically, like, you know, you're useless.

1:27:24

You know, they think you usually

1:27:27

show them how useful you can be,

1:27:29

Jeremy sort of thing. And he digs a

1:27:31

gun out of his bag and shoots and then

1:27:33

all the lights in the room go red. That's

1:27:35

their big effect. And

1:27:37

then we hear now it's time for your eternal

1:27:40

trick going to hell

1:27:42

and then he gets dragged across the

1:27:44

floor. Drag away. And

1:27:46

by the way, like, again, like, I don't

1:27:48

know who's who's doing the the combat

1:27:50

and the gun control on this thing, but this this

1:27:52

could put a loaded blank

1:27:55

pistol to his fucking

1:27:57

head. To his head. Whoa. I

1:27:59

was like, whoa. What are you doing?

1:28:01

Did you did you note his let his final

1:28:04

line, the line that caps it? Time

1:28:06

to eliminate the problem. Yes.

1:28:09

How creepy is that? Like, I

1:28:11

I don't know. I was and it was, like, literally time to eliminate

1:28:13

the problem bang. Is

1:28:16

is, you know, if if you're going to do

1:28:18

let's say let's let's say that this was an

1:28:20

actual scene that you were going to rehearse

1:28:22

and work on in a professional way, like,

1:28:25

that is such a loaded phrase

1:28:28

-- Mhmm. -- time to, like, just

1:28:30

repeat that, like, five times. And

1:28:33

it it it's this thing of

1:28:35

they they're saying one message, but

1:28:38

what is, like, at the core of

1:28:40

it is so rotten. Yeah.

1:28:43

That they don't even understand how

1:28:45

rotten it is. They think they're speaking the right

1:28:47

things, but it's it's like, what

1:28:49

they're actually doing is you

1:28:51

know, like encouraging this

1:28:53

behavior of eliminate the product. Yeah. Eliminate

1:28:56

it. Call it by and yourself. Call it by and others.

1:28:58

How fun? Yeah. There's a there's there's

1:29:01

a whole, like, overarching

1:29:03

meta reality to to that.

1:29:05

I think CECL in that idea

1:29:08

of, like, good intentions, like,

1:29:11

people who who believe that

1:29:13

they who righteously believe that they have

1:29:15

a grasp on

1:29:17

what's best for the world. Often

1:29:20

do the most harm. Yeah. Right?

1:29:22

They're holding on so tight Yeah. Yeah.

1:29:24

That's it's the messaging throughout all of

1:29:26

this is so damaging --

1:29:28

Yeah. -- which we which we see in the

1:29:31

audience's reactions over the course

1:29:33

of watching the rest of this film. Right?

1:29:35

Like, in the in the faces of the kids

1:29:37

and and the parents that actually

1:29:40

subject themselves to witness

1:29:42

hellhouse

1:29:43

is where there's actual trauma

1:29:45

happening. Yeah. The the the moment

1:29:48

the moment where this this final act

1:29:50

really became, like, kind of hit

1:29:52

home for me as you see the drug deal gone

1:29:54

wrong. Right? And it's the one

1:29:56

black guy -- Yeah. -- regularly.

1:29:59

Come on, please. Solely on the black

1:30:01

people. What the fuck? We see there are

1:30:03

there are black people in this

1:30:05

church. But there there

1:30:07

is only one black person cast. Well,

1:30:09

we we know they have one of their pastors as black.

1:30:11

Like, because he's the hard sell pastor that we're

1:30:13

gonna see at the end. But out of the

1:30:15

hell house, the one black

1:30:17

guy is the drug dealer who has

1:30:19

brought drugs into the community. And, you know, somebody's

1:30:22

like, hey, fuck you. Did put to shotgun to

1:30:24

his head, wrestle wrestle wrestle bang.

1:30:26

And the documentarians cut

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to the face of a nine year old white boy

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and he is smiling ear

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-- Yeah. -- to ear. And

1:30:36

I was like, fuck. This

1:30:38

is the scariest movie we have covered on the

1:30:40

show. Yep. This

1:30:41

is for

1:30:41

It's This is the horror because it's like,

1:30:44

look, here's here's a Spanish man and

1:30:46

a like, here's a Latin man and a black man

1:30:48

fighting over some shit and you know what?

1:30:50

They're just gonna and, like, it cuts to this, like,

1:30:52

who looks kind of like the crunchy haired dude

1:30:54

who took the girl on the date? And he's

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like, yeah, like, because