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You're listening to Reading Glasses, a show

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about book culture and literary life designed

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to help you read better. I'm author

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and book devourer Mallory O'Mara. And I'm

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Bria Grant, filmmaker and e-reader. This episode,

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we're discussing the differences between book buying

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and book reading. You think you know

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the differences? You think you know the

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relationship? You don't. Stick

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around. Plus an interview with Glasser,

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all-time favorite, Mike Chen and

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recommendations for underwater novels. But

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first, Bria, what are you reading? I

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think I checked off two Reading Glasses challenges with

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this book. Whoa. Without

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meaning to. I read Once There Were

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Wolves by Charlotte McConaughey. I

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have this on my TBR. I was wondering

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if you'd read it. Okay. First

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of all, I thought I was going to

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read a horror book. It's not a horror

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book. So I will say I checked out.

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I picked a book based on its cover. That is

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a Reading Glasses challenge check because I started reading and

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I was like, is this not a horror book? Like

1:03

I just assumed it was. It also

1:05

all takes place in the Scottish Highlands,

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which I didn't realize also. So it

1:09

takes place in a place that I

1:11

have never been. I've never been to

1:14

Scotland. So two Reading Glasses challenge boxes

1:16

checked right off. This

1:18

book is awesome. I could not

1:21

believe how good this book was. Okay. Oh my

1:23

God. I'm so excited. I thought I thought it

1:25

was a horror book or a fantasy novel because

1:27

I was like, once there were wolves, it sounds

1:29

like fantasy. I mean, it does sound like a

1:31

fan. It does sound like it could be either

1:34

of those, but it's like just read up literary

1:36

fiction. It is. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yes. Yeah.

1:38

It's straight up literary fiction. So it's about this

1:40

woman who, and she's a twin and basically she

1:42

is trying, she's part of a group of scientists

1:44

who are trying to reintroduce gray

1:47

wolves into the Scottish Highlands

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and which is something that actually they are, you

1:52

know, there's certain parts of the world that they

1:54

are trying to reintroduce wolves into. And it kind

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of goes back and forth between her and

1:59

her. present day and then also some

2:01

stuff that happened with her twin sister because she

2:03

was in a horrible marriage and they're very very

2:06

close and it's also about her like her problems

2:08

with the community because the community is some of

2:10

the community not all the community but some

2:12

very vocal members of the community are super unhappy

2:14

about the wolves because there's a lot of farmers

2:17

there and they're like they're gonna eat our sheep

2:19

they're gonna attack people and then someone is found

2:21

dead and they're like well was it the

2:23

wolves and she gets involved in

2:25

a way that she shouldn't get involved and

2:27

it's just like really beautifully written in this

2:30

like cold sort of remote area miss and

2:32

it's a mystery it ends up being kind

2:34

of a mystery literary fiction because you don't

2:36

know who killed this man but you know

2:38

that the main woman has like some involvement

2:41

and you look you know what happened you're

2:43

aware of that part of it sounds

2:45

so good it is so good

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and I've never been to Scotland I'm trying to

2:50

go this year as you know and so this

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was like exciting for me to get to to

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read and think about Scotland and it also has

2:57

a lot youth wolves check the content warnings for

2:59

animal deaths and some other other things in it

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that are not a lot

3:03

of violence in this book because it is about a

3:06

violent thing that happened to her sister but it Wow

3:08

what a good book I loved this book I don't

3:10

know who recommended this book to me if it wasn't

3:12

you and I didn't read migrations but

3:14

I know I read see I read migrations when

3:16

it came out and I really liked it

3:19

okay okay all her books that have

3:21

that like nature element to them oh

3:23

because migrations is what

3:25

is birdie man mm-hmm I'm gonna

3:27

get that book too this is

3:29

a great thing is really good I'm about to add it to

3:31

my out to my library left out what are

3:34

you reading so I just finished another romanticy I

3:36

am I have my seat

3:38

purchased on the romanticy train I hear I

3:40

am on it I am in it I

3:42

am loving it it is a

3:44

book called that time I got drunk and saved

3:46

a demon oh yeah Kimberly lemming I'm interested in

3:48

this book it was so

3:51

much fucking fun okay so

3:53

again our friends over at orbit really hooked

3:55

us up and sent us a bunch of romanticy

3:57

books when we were like hey I'm doing

4:00

and we're doing an episode about this, they

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were like, you know that gif of Leonardo

4:04

DiCaprio when he's like throwing money at people?

4:06

They did that but with romantic books at

4:08

us. And there's three books in

4:10

the series so far, it's called the Mead

4:12

mishap series. And they

4:14

originally were self-published and then

4:17

Orbit gave them new incredible

4:19

covers. And they just released,

4:21

I think, all of them this month. And

4:24

oh my God, I was

4:26

like, I see how

4:28

people just inhale this whole series. So

4:30

the first book, it is about this,

4:32

this is like this fantasy world, this

4:34

little fantasy village. And these people believe

4:36

that they are being protected by demons

4:38

in the world by this goddess who

4:41

kind of protects their village. And they

4:43

like, you know, do all these offerings

4:45

to this goddess and they have these regular festivals

4:47

to like, you know, not sacrifice, but

4:49

they like, you know, they like worship this goddess. And

4:51

they're like, oh, she's protecting us from anything that happens.

4:54

And during one such festival, the main character,

4:56

she's a spice trader. And

4:58

she doesn't want adventures. She's not interested in any

5:01

of that. Her sister had died a few

5:03

years before that in like kind of

5:05

an adventure scenario. So she's like, nope, I just

5:07

wanna sell spices. I wanna eat cheese. I wanna

5:09

get drunk. I wanna hang out. And then

5:11

she's walking home from the festival. She's really

5:13

drunk. She's kind of stumbling home. And she

5:15

ends up accidentally finding a demon and saving

5:18

him. And she panics at first because she's

5:20

like, why is there a demon here? This

5:22

goddess is supposed to protect us. And

5:25

through something I won't tell you, this demon

5:27

ends up talking to her and being like,

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hey, everything that you think about your village is wrong.

5:32

That goddess that is protecting you, she's not a

5:34

goddess. And the things that she's protecting you from, you

5:37

don't need protecting from. And

5:39

this demon is like, all right, well, I'm not gonna

5:41

murder you or your whole family, but I do

5:43

want you to help me overthrow this

5:46

what you call a goddess. And she does

5:48

not want to, but she also doesn't want him

5:50

to eat her whole family. So she's like, fine.

5:52

So she ends up going on this quest with

5:54

this demon to overthrow this entity. And

5:58

he's really into her. And

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she's like trying to resist because she's like He's

6:03

so sexy, but he's also a fucking demon and

6:05

could murder me at any moment And I

6:08

don't want to say it's cozy because

6:10

they definitely like get into some wild

6:12

adventure stuff And like this monster like

6:14

all kinds of stuff is happening But

6:17

it is so much fun, and it's

6:19

very steamy like this is I

6:22

mean open door romance There's no door the door

6:24

has been ripped off the hinges The

6:27

you it is very very spicy. No,

6:29

I aren't doing the barn giant. This door

6:31

you could find is wide open wide open But

6:34

I absolutely loved it And I like I

6:36

literally put it down and I was like

6:38

thank God I have the next book in

6:40

the series because I cannot wait to read

6:42

it It's just an absolute blast if you

6:44

are someone who likes Romanticy if you like

6:46

really spicy stuff, and it's also really funny.

6:49

It's very quirky and silly and it's just

6:51

a perfect like midwinter I haven't

6:53

seen the Sun in three days read Definitely just

6:55

a blast so that it's that time I got

6:57

drunk and saved a demon by Kimberly Lemming This

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is also a great winter book because it's like

7:02

the snow and gray wolves and the Scottish Highlands

7:04

is kind of amazing anyway So

7:13

we want to take a moment to share some

7:15

listener feedback lots of glasses wrote in about their 2024 Oh,

7:18

yeah, resolutions. Okay. Love to see

7:20

Megan said hello, so my friends and

7:22

I are doing and avoid the store

7:24

in 2024

7:26

because we counted our physical books. We all own that

7:29

we haven't read and it ranges from a hundred and

7:33

Six hundred Wow,

7:35

wow, wow, wow, wow. We all made our

7:37

own buying rules for ourselves Like

7:39

how many do we have to read before we

7:41

can buy a book pre-orders from 2023

7:44

don't count We

7:46

got to pick some auto buy authors which are

7:48

authors. We don't care how many books we own

7:50

We're always gonna buy this author. Mm-hmm book spot

7:52

with gift cards from holidays. Don't count. That's basically

7:56

And if you break your rule, you have to donate

7:58

money to your charity of your choice It's the

8:00

eighth and two people have already made donations.

8:04

I'm sure I've missed some that people picked, but we

8:06

all wanted to get more off our TBRs. We made

8:08

it like a game for us, but personalized. I fucking

8:10

love this. Great, great, great. Avoid the store in 2024.

8:12

I love it. That's a

8:14

great New Year's resolution too. To

8:16

figure it out and make rules for yourself. For

8:19

everything, for, for books. I know a lot of people

8:21

who are doing this with clothes, like a big, you

8:23

know, shop your closet thing. I think

8:25

this is fantastic, but I also love that they carved out

8:27

space for like, okay, if an author that I really love

8:29

has a book coming out, I can get it. Yeah, that's really

8:31

funny. Yes, why not? You can make your

8:33

own rules. Victoria wrote in and said,

8:36

hi, Brianne Mallory. I was listening to the most recent episode,

8:38

episode 340, public reader number one. And

8:40

Mallory mentioned that she became overwhelmed when trying to

8:42

track her number of pages in a day. This

8:44

is actually one of my resolutions for 2024. I

8:47

wanted to share my method for anyone else who

8:49

may be embarking on the same journey. I am

8:51

an avid Storygraph user. This ad is the only way

8:54

I am able to write down my pages read

8:56

in my book journal. I always have a few

8:58

books going at the same time, often an audio book

9:00

or two and a physical book as well.

9:02

I log all of my progress at the

9:04

end of the day and then use the

9:06

statistics tab set to the month that we

9:08

are currently in. Storygraph automatically calculates all the

9:10

reading you've done into a graph that does

9:12

the pages and minutes you've read per day.

9:14

It also accounts for changes in font sizes

9:16

on the Kindle as well, because it calculated

9:18

based off of how far you are in

9:20

the book. Thank you so much for your

9:22

wonderful podcast. It has pulled me out of

9:24

many reading slumps in recent times. I don't

9:27

think I've looked at this part of Storygraph.

9:29

So I am the Storygraph now. Storygraph is

9:31

like the American Express of reading. Strangely,

9:33

the one thing I really like about it is at the end,

9:36

which it doesn't publish, is it asks

9:38

you like things that you thought about

9:40

this like categories this

9:42

book isn't or whatever, which actually helps me

9:44

think about the book a lot, which is

9:47

helpful. But I haven't really looked at the

9:50

pages. That's interesting.

9:52

I shouldn't say this out loud, but

9:55

I will. It's set to private. I

9:57

know this. Dirty

10:00

little secret of mine that I made a secret

10:02

private story graph and I've been because

10:04

I After everyone talked about

10:06

it. I looked within and said I

10:09

want a little graph too What

10:12

I think we should do is we should do a

10:14

book tech segment at some point soon and like assess

10:16

our Feelings about

10:19

story graph. Yeah, I think we didn't we

10:21

do it at one point, but we just haven't Yeah,

10:24

we that was really on I feel

10:26

like that was really on in story graph

10:28

and story graph is Growing so much and

10:30

adding so much that I think it was

10:32

a couple of years ago So

10:35

this wasn't like when it first started and there's been

10:37

a lot of features added. So I think we need

10:39

a updated story graph

10:43

Review. Yeah, I don't use it the way that they

10:45

do so I that way Victoria does because

10:47

I don't log my progress at the end Of each

10:49

day Calculates all the reading

10:51

you've done into a graph that does the minutes

10:53

and pages you've read per day. That's so interesting

10:55

Okay, I can't find that part of it. So

10:57

yeah, I think we'll have to play around with

10:59

it a little Yeah, well, I know that the

11:01

app is pretty new too. So oh,

11:04

I see I'm on the website right now So

11:06

maybe it's in the app. All right.

11:09

Well look for that folks We'll do a big story graph

11:11

review soon and folks if you have more story graph thoughts

11:13

right in and let us know Well, we'll

11:15

read them out on the show Abby

11:17

said Brianne Mallory. I didn't have any

11:19

specific reading resolutions But your most recent

11:21

episode got me thinking one

11:23

completely break up with Amazon with books I'm generally pretty

11:25

good about not using Amazon, but I want to make

11:28

it a point to not use them at all when

11:30

it comes To buying books to

11:32

I have a book number goal, but also a

11:34

book number limit Oh, I usually set a low

11:36

book goal, especially being in school But I also

11:39

want to put a cap on the number

11:41

of books. I read to prioritize quality over

11:43

quantity. I love that Wow Wonderful

11:47

Three I want to keep the fiction

11:49

Nonfiction pie chart on story graph speaking of

11:51

as close to 5050 as possible. I did this

11:53

last year and loved it I usually read a

11:55

good mix of fiction and nonfiction, but trying to

11:58

keep it 5050 inspired me to read nonfiction titles

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I probably wouldn't have picked up in the first place and

12:02

ended up the year with 45% of my reading being fiction

12:04

in 55 being not Thanks

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so much for cultivating such a lovely bookish community

12:09

and adding to my ever-growing TBR

12:12

Bria you want to read Abby's wheelhouse mm-hmm

12:14

PUB character spiraling into madness

12:17

Unhinged women slash female rage

12:19

poetically written nonfiction unreliable narrators

12:22

90s slash early 2000 setting NYC

12:25

and strong sister dynamics love that

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This week, we're discussing a

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buying versus book reading. Are they

17:00

totally different hobbies? If so, how

17:02

do you integrate them? Does

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it even matter? We have

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got you covered. Today's episode was

17:09

inspired by Mackenzie. Brea, you want

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to read Mackenzie's query to

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us? Yes, I do. Mackenzie

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wrote in, Hi Brea, Mallory, I'm going

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through my storygraph. Wow, storygraph. Hot. Do

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you have any thoughts on this distinction

17:54

and any recommendations on how to get

17:56

the two hobbies more aligned? I mean,

17:58

who knows? Maybe I will read those

18:00

books. But I only have so much

18:02

shelf space. Thanks for a wonderful podcast

18:04

and happy reading Wow. I love this

18:07

Actually got this pretty recently as we said

18:09

on the show before we have I

18:12

think the document that we have of reader questions

18:14

is 50

18:16

60 70 pages long, but I loved this so much that I was

18:18

like no we're talking about this Thank

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you, I think this is actually a

18:23

pretty common reader issue which we can tell by

18:26

the number of memes that people send us about

18:28

It on Instagram. Yes, Priya. What do you think

18:30

our book buying and book reading two separate hobbies?

18:32

Okay Okay, so just to be clear She's buying

18:34

books based on who she wants to be and

18:37

she's reading books based on what she just

18:39

wants to read Like who she actually is.

18:41

I mean look I think they could be two separate

18:43

hobbies, but maybe that's a waste of money Um,

18:47

I will say I will buy

18:49

books sometimes buy books physical books

18:51

But I read so many ebooks that it kind of doesn't

18:53

make a lot of sense because I'll buy a book cuz

18:55

I'm like in A bookstore. I'm like I want to support

18:58

this bookstore and I buy a book Which

19:00

is a weird hobby a weird thing that I do But

19:02

because mostly cuz I'm there and I want to support

19:04

the bookstore and I think oh, yeah I'm gonna read this

19:06

and then I don't read it because it's not on

19:08

my Kindle and I have in the past bought a

19:10

book And then gone and got it on my Kindle

19:13

realize I watch or yes It's

19:15

on it's already on my Kindle or I'll

19:17

just go get it on my Kindle because then I know it'll actually

19:19

get read And then they can sit on my shelf. So I have

19:21

definitely Done this

19:23

maybe in a little bit of a different way,

19:26

but I have definitely done this What about you

19:28

are these separate hobbies and you've done this? Is

19:30

this something you participate in these two separate hobbies

19:32

of buying and reading? Yeah,

19:35

I definitely think they can be separate. They don't have

19:37

to be but I think they can be as

19:39

a person who likes to collect things I Get

19:43

it. I have five million fountain

19:45

pens five million bottles of fountain pen ink.

19:47

I like collecting things. I have that urge

19:50

I also really like the aesthetic of being surrounded

19:52

by my things That's a

19:54

I think that's something that contributes to this

19:56

is like I like the aesthetic of being

19:59

surrounded by books So that

20:01

is a totally separate thing from the fact that

20:03

I like to read. And I

20:05

think a big part of it too

20:07

is that buying books feels the same

20:09

as buying groceries. It's very aspirational. Like

20:13

when you buy kale, like three things a kale

20:15

is sure like I'm gonna have a healthy week

20:17

and then you'd toss it at the end of

20:19

the week. Yeah. And then you

20:21

throw two weeks later, you throw away the

20:24

slimy puddle of kale that's in the bottom

20:26

of your fridge because you had like,

20:28

you know, three fig bars instead

20:30

for lunch. It's

20:33

very aspirational because you like Mackenzie said, you want to be

20:35

the person who's gonna cook and eat all that fresh produce

20:37

that you bought. It feels like every time you

20:39

go grocery shopping and every time you go

20:41

book shopping, it feels like the chance to

20:43

be a better version of yourself. Yeah.

20:45

And like also another thing I feel the same

20:47

way about buying books as I do buying groceries,

20:50

the act of buying books can be fun.

20:53

Like just the act of

20:55

like you're browsing. I love

20:57

a browse. We talked last

20:59

episode about how like after 9pm it's fun to go on your

21:01

phone and shop for things that you don't need. I

21:03

love a browse. I love looking online in

21:05

stores. I love being in a bookstore. I

21:07

love looking at titles. I like it just

21:10

like it's the same way as when I'm

21:12

looking at groceries. I'm like, ooh, this might

21:14

be delicious. This is fun to look at.

21:16

You know, it's very easy to have a

21:18

fun book buying trip. Maybe you're with your

21:20

friends. Maybe it's a little self-date. You're walking

21:22

around this cute bookstore. Maybe you have a

21:24

cute coffee. You're having fun. You bring the

21:26

books home. You set them up in a

21:28

shelf for a little stack and you let

21:30

them sit there for the same as those

21:32

oranges that you swear that you were going to have for lunch

21:35

and set and you let them rot. And

21:37

again, because it's aesthetic, you can want

21:39

to buy a book because it's pretty. You want it on

21:41

your shelf. And because

21:43

of all those things, these can be

21:45

completely separate hobbies. Sure. I

21:47

see. I see. For

21:49

people who are struggling with this, Bria, how do we

21:51

get the buying and the reading a little more aligned?

21:54

Well, I think this is a big look, talking

21:56

about it, recognizing it. You know, I think that

21:58

that is very important. We often talk about

22:00

the books we want to read and then

22:03

we sit down and read them and then we're like, oh,

22:05

I wish I was just reading legends and lattes again or

22:07

whatever. And you know what? That's

22:09

fine. Just recognize that. And I think the

22:11

first step is going to be getting

22:14

a very honest TBR list. So

22:17

when you go to the store and you're looking at the

22:19

books and you're like, no, no, I have always wanted to

22:21

read a 900 page book about a

22:23

biography of JFK or whatever. I want to

22:25

be that person. Don't buy

22:27

that book because it's not on your honest TBR

22:30

list. Your honest TBR list, whatever that is, if

22:32

it's the time I got drunk and was

22:34

it whatever the book you just said, the other

22:36

time I got drunk, it saved a demon. Yeah. Like

22:38

if that is what your honest TBR list is, then

22:40

like you can still enjoy the book buying aspect. You

22:43

just need to buy the book that you think you're

22:45

actually going to read. Yeah. I

22:47

think that is a hot, hot tip. It

22:49

seems very honest, the brutally honest TBR list.

22:52

Yeah. I mean, because I also think this

22:55

isn't even in the outline for the episode, but I wonder

22:57

if sometimes this can get people into book slumps because they

22:59

go out, buy all the books they think they should read,

23:01

bring them home. And then when they look at their shelf

23:03

of stuff to read, they're like, I don't actually want to

23:05

read any of this. I want to read about

23:08

Horny fairies again. Yeah. Yeah. I

23:11

got all this. I got all the serious literary fiction that I

23:13

thought would improve my life. I don't want to

23:15

read any of it. So what advice do you

23:17

have for Mackenzie and getting these two things more aligned?

23:20

Oh, I'm the same way as you. I'm very

23:22

proud of her for knowing yourself enough to know

23:24

that she wants to want to read some of these books.

23:27

So I think at the moment of purchase, you're

23:29

in a bookstore, you're on bookshop.org. You

23:32

got to start asking yourself the hard

23:34

questions. Why are you buying this book?

23:37

Are like, is this something you want to read

23:39

immediately or is it just a buzzy

23:41

book or is it just pretty or is it something

23:43

you feel like you should buy? Again,

23:45

I'm keeping the grocery metaphor going because

23:48

I started doing this when I'm like, okay,

23:50

I'm seeing all the, here's a bag

23:52

full of kale chopped salad and I

23:54

pick it up. I'm like, do I

23:56

see myself eating this within a week

23:59

or is this? just like something that

24:01

I want other people at Trader Joe's to

24:04

see me putting in my cart. Does

24:07

this sound like something that, does

24:09

it look like something you wanna read right now? Because if

24:12

you don't, you don't need that book right

24:14

now. You

24:17

can put it back on the shelf. You go to at like, and

24:19

I started also doing this with my online shopping is

24:21

that I'll put a bunch of stuff in my cart,

24:23

but I'm not allowed to purchase until the next morning.

24:26

And then I wake up and I'm like, why did

24:28

I put? Yeah, you have more willpower. These kind

24:30

of sleeveless, deadlift

24:32

shirts in a. 99%

24:36

of the time when I do that, I wake up the next day and I

24:38

don't even want anything that's in my cart. Exactly, uh-huh,

24:40

yeah. You have the willpower in the morning to say no.

24:42

So what else, Bria? What are some other hot buying,

24:45

buying reading alignment tips? Here's a tip. I'm

24:47

just trying to keep Mackenzie from buying anything.

24:49

Maybe you could try out the books that

24:51

you think you might be reading, you wanna

24:53

read from the library before buying. Hell yeah.

24:55

And you read them, you like them, buy

24:57

them after that, you know? And

24:59

then you can be looking for them in the bookstore. You

25:02

can just go and be like, oh, I loved this book.

25:04

Now I want it on my shelf. You know, and so

25:06

the library will save you from buying a bunch of books

25:08

that you don't actually want to read. And you

25:10

can get those aspirational books from the library and you can

25:12

just read them and be like, you know what? I don't

25:14

wanna read this and I don't wanna own it. I don't

25:16

want any of it. Like this may be a very complicated

25:19

system of getting around this, but maybe if you do it

25:21

for a little while, you get into the hobby of actually

25:23

knowing what you wanna be reading. Yes,

25:25

also I always forget that on

25:27

Libby and you can also

25:29

use Amazon to do this too. You can just preview a

25:31

book. So there's been, I've gotten a

25:33

lot better about doing that. Like, oh, okay,

25:35

here's a buzzy book. I'm interested in reading

25:37

this. And I, most of the time, if

25:39

we're all honest with ourselves, you

25:41

can read that sample chapter and you'll know within

25:44

a few pages, if the writing style, if

25:46

it's for you. And I have

25:48

both bought a bunch of books, but also not bought

25:50

a bunch of books because of that. A lot of

25:52

times I, if I see a book is interesting, I'll

25:54

look at the preview on Libby. And if I think

25:57

it's fun, I will put it on hold. And if

25:59

I really like it, I will actually return

26:01

that book to the library mid

26:03

book and then buy it Because

26:07

I'm like I want that I did that with With

26:10

my newsletter recommendation for January Madelena in

26:12

the dark I finally got I liked

26:14

the preview and I finally got I read the first chapter

26:16

on Libby and I was like this is so Great, I'm

26:18

just gonna buy this book. Great and

26:21

I'm really happy about it cuz I'm like, alright, this book

26:23

has arrived I already have started reading it. I know that

26:25

I'm going to like it and it makes me want to

26:27

read it more I'm wondering if that's

26:29

where Mackenzie's getting a lot of her books

26:31

from is from the library like she's buying

26:34

The aspirational books, but she's getting the books who really wants

26:37

to read from the library So let the

26:39

library work for you or again to you

26:41

can you can also do it on Amazon Because

26:44

that's only a bummer about bookshop.org. They

26:46

don't have that preview thing Yeah, but

26:48

like listen, Amazon is made

26:50

to sell books you put

26:52

it in your favor Even if you're not buying the books

26:54

on Amazon read that preview and I think that'll

26:56

help and that'll because then when you have that Book

26:59

on your shelf you already know you're gonna like it.

27:01

So you're looking at it and you're like, oh, this

27:03

is gonna be good And you'll be excited about it.

27:05

Yeah, I think the other thing I think we should

27:07

just make clear There is no required reading as

27:09

an adult You don't have

27:11

the books that you're like, oh I want to

27:14

want to read that You're

27:16

viewing that as like some sort of required reading for

27:18

you to be a good person or be the person

27:20

you want to be You're already a cool person. You're

27:22

already a person that I like I don't know you

27:25

but I'm sure you're great I like

27:27

you people will not love you anymore or less

27:29

if you read this one book You

27:31

are not and you will not be a better person

27:33

if you read this one book. You are a great

27:35

person already There's no required reading You

27:37

can actually just read the book you want to

27:39

read instead of feeling like you have to read

27:41

this one book unless you're in School or something

27:43

and then you do have to go read it.

27:45

I'm sorry But but other than that, I

27:48

think there's no required reading So last hot

27:50

tip before we we move on is something

27:52

that I realized recently because I was putting

27:54

together Comp titles for

27:56

a book that I'm pitching a lot

27:59

of us are made to that there's certain books

28:01

that are the upper echelon of culture. You

28:03

know, the books that are reviewed in the

28:05

New York Times, they are the serious books,

28:08

they are the books that are quote most

28:10

worthy, and if you read

28:12

these books you will be participating in

28:14

the best part of the culture and

28:16

you'll be able to talk about them.

28:19

If you go on Goodreads

28:21

or Storygraph and you look

28:24

at those like very

28:26

literary, very fantastic, I

28:29

mean but also you know not genre

28:31

like very like highly acclaimed,

28:33

highly critically reviewed. If you look

28:35

how many reviews there are versus

28:38

the reviews on Legends and Lattes because I

28:40

was putting in this book pitch and there's

28:42

this memoir that was that came out a

28:44

couple of years ago that was like again

28:47

reviewed in the New York Times very highly

28:49

acclaimed. I looked on Goodreads there were like

28:51

400 reviews for it and I was like wow

28:53

that seems pretty low and then I was like

28:55

that's interesting and then I looked later

28:57

that day I was looking at like a

28:59

T. Kingfisher book and there was like 10,000

29:01

reviews. So it's funny because if you actually

29:03

want to read the books that people

29:06

are talking about in like common culture you

29:08

will be reading that time I

29:11

got drunk and saved a demon. So

29:13

if you are ever feeling like you

29:15

are not reading the books you quote should be

29:17

reading and you want to

29:19

participate in like culture, that's

29:21

what the culture wants right now. The culture wants

29:24

40 fairies that's what most

29:26

like more tens of thousands of people

29:28

are reading those that's what that's what

29:30

the common reader is the common man

29:32

wants. So like let that make you

29:34

feel better if you're ever like I

29:36

feel like this book it's kind of

29:38

like a guilty pleasure it's not as

29:40

like quote serious but that's what that's

29:42

what the populace wants okay. All

29:45

of it's okay anything you want to read is okay. All

29:48

books are real books no pressure on yourself

29:51

by the books you really want and interrogate yourself

29:53

about it preview it at the library or get

29:55

just get it from the library and then you'll

29:57

be able to save your book budget for the

30:00

books that you know you're going to like. Like we

30:02

talked about at the top of the show, those auto

30:04

buy authors that you already know you're going to love.

30:07

And then you'll have more budget in your book for

30:09

more books that you like. So you

30:11

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30:17

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32:29

Oh, wow. Here we are with Mike

32:32

Chet. I talk about his

32:34

new book, Many Time Guests the Show. Mike, how many

32:36

times have you been on the show? This

32:39

is... So I've been on once for

32:41

each of my HarperCollins releases. So this

32:43

would be number six. Wow.

32:46

Welcome back. We're excited to have you. Tell

32:48

us, what are you reading? I am

32:51

reading, and this is for Mallory

32:53

specifically, The Secret History of Twin Peaks

32:56

by Mark Fuhrman. I

32:58

think she has read it. I'm pretty sure she read that when it came

33:00

out. So I read it

33:02

too when it came out in like

33:04

2017, but I recently discovered that the

33:06

audio book is narrated by a number

33:08

of actors from the show, including Kyle

33:10

McLachlan, who reads all of Agent Cooper's

33:12

stuff. And so we

33:14

just finished a rewatch of seasons one and

33:16

two of Twin Peaks. And before

33:19

we jump into the Showtime season again,

33:21

I wanted to revisit this. And so

33:23

this has been a really great way to like

33:25

really get immersed in it. And

33:27

also I noticed, I was

33:29

going to ask Mallory, if she found this

33:32

weird too, like rewatching seasons one and two

33:34

of Twin Peaks. I was like, wow, there

33:36

are a lot of adults having relationships with

33:38

high schoolers. I never really picked up on

33:40

that before. I rewatched it. This is

33:43

not about the show, but I rewatched it recently as well. Listen,

33:45

it's weirder than I remembered it being, and there's a

33:47

lot of it that I didn't remember at all. And

33:50

yeah, it's a strange show, and you're right. There are

33:52

a lot of adults having relationships with high schoolers. Yes.

33:56

And also they don't go to high school very much,

33:58

especially in season two. Yeah. You

34:00

can do. Get help! Bizarre Anyway, as I'm glad you're

34:02

reading that our let me that. I will

34:04

let Mallory know and I haven't listened to it.

34:07

so maybe that will be the way I

34:09

consume that book that sounds really interesting. If

34:11

you need more of com o'clock on his

34:13

agent Cooper then you will get it as

34:15

it's it's it's like it. So comforting is

34:17

is like oh he gets the cadence like

34:19

he slips right back into it. It's just

34:21

like isn't Cooper's is telling me his thoughts.

34:23

Love that. I love that of it are small

34:25

tell us how feel to be the number one

34:27

recurring guest on reading glasses. I. Feel

34:30

like I have won a championship which are

34:32

savvy doesn't have a belt and then until

34:34

someone beats my number like when they do

34:36

than I can ship them the belt. But

34:38

until then I should be walking around with

34:40

a big built on my shoulder. Great wonder.

34:42

For it's like as a now you like

34:44

Yelp you com and you're welcome someone into

34:47

the six timer class and directly as as

34:49

he can you tell us about your new

34:51

book which I thought was just so lovely

34:53

and I think losses will lab Once in

34:56

Love Story. So. A quantum

34:58

love story is about to people named

35:00

Mariano and Carter who are stuck in

35:02

a time loop together or days aid

35:04

for per each time loop to be

35:06

specific and so the question is like

35:09

what will they do to get through.

35:11

Each. Loop And then what are they willing to

35:13

sacrifice in order to break out of the loop?

35:15

And I really wanted to do. A

35:18

grounded look at how people would

35:21

actually react to such space or

35:23

testicle and ridiculous situation, and also

35:25

what didn't take away from being

35:28

stuck in circumstances you wouldn't normally.

35:31

Get. Through I I was spawn previously.

35:33

I think his visit number two on

35:36

reading glasses was my book about a

35:38

pandemic which was a beginning at the

35:40

end. And see though I say that

35:42

this is my actual pandemic book because

35:45

it's about. Being. stuck

35:47

and not knowing what's gonna happen and

35:49

trying to appreciate the little things that

35:51

you can during their time but ultimately

35:53

realizing that like there's no help coming

35:55

for you like you do have to

35:58

get through it on your own And

36:01

it also says love story in the title. And

36:03

so it is as close to romance as I

36:05

can write. And this may be

36:07

the only so-called love story out

36:10

there with only two kisses in

36:12

the entire story. It's quite

36:14

changed. But

36:17

what made you want to do that? What made you

36:19

want to venture into romance? Because I liked that aspect

36:21

of the book. I mean, it's very central to the

36:23

book, actually. I mean, obviously it is a time loop

36:25

book and we could talk about that as well. But

36:27

what made you want to go venture into romance

36:29

for this one? So

36:31

I feel like I really hit

36:33

the ground, or I've covered a lot of ground

36:36

with family relationships and

36:38

friendship relationships and professional

36:40

relationships. And any

36:43

sort of romance was always a B story

36:45

to me. And I wanted to

36:47

do something different. And so I

36:49

wanted to just challenge myself to see if I

36:52

could do this, not

36:54

in a traditional romance, spicy

36:57

way, but to put the relationship, to put

36:59

the love story front

37:01

and center to the motivations. And

37:04

so when I was thinking about doing

37:07

this in sort of

37:09

a time loop, and then taking in

37:11

the thematic influences of living through the

37:13

past few years, one of the

37:16

things that I had looked at was

37:18

specifically how friendships can

37:20

happen in uncertain times. And

37:23

one of the things that really caught

37:25

my eye was

37:28

my daughter, when everything

37:30

went into lockdown and we weren't sure when we

37:32

could even leave the house, my

37:35

daughter at the time was five. And

37:38

I have this author friend who,

37:41

we always said, if

37:43

we met up at a con and our kids could hang

37:45

out to sit at the same age and they liked the

37:47

same stuff, and it was never

37:49

feasible before. And then I remember we

37:52

were all starting to get used to using Zoom.

37:55

And so I asked my friend, well,

37:57

your daughter likes the

37:59

same movies. than as my daughter and like

38:01

they have like no friends right now. So what

38:03

if they just start like watching movies together? And

38:05

so they developed this friendship

38:08

in like the most unlikely of circumstances.

38:10

Like if COVID had never happened, maybe

38:12

they would have met as teens, like

38:14

when me and her mom like went

38:17

to a con together, but

38:19

they see each other every few weeks, even

38:21

now, like they just played five hours of

38:23

Among Us last weekend,

38:25

which is really loud and

38:27

annoying. But they

38:30

built this whole friendship over, you know, she's

38:32

in LA, we're here, like we've only met

38:34

them in person once, but they

38:36

have this relationship that could not have happened

38:38

otherwise. And so I wanted to take like

38:41

that idea and then look at it from

38:43

like an adult romance relationship, and then also

38:46

the limitations of a time loop and

38:48

how that would affect, you know, just

38:50

how you would develop a relationship. And

38:52

so that's how it all kind of came together. I

38:56

love that. And I think that a lot of

38:58

us can relate to that during the pandemic, sort

39:00

of creating these relationships that

39:02

maybe you wouldn't have blossomed in like

39:04

another time, I think that's really interesting.

39:08

So speaking of the time loop, how do you

39:10

go about researching that? And why four days? Because,

39:12

you know, most time loops, it's a

39:14

day. It's always, it's always when you wake up, when

39:16

you go to sleep, you know, and like, and yours

39:18

is four days, which actually made it a lot

39:21

more interesting and allow these characters to do a

39:23

little bit more within each loop. That

39:25

was kind of the purpose of it. So I looked at like,

39:27

I looked at

39:29

the cadence of other time loop stories and it

39:32

is usually 24 hours. And

39:34

you're right, it's usually centralized around like going to

39:36

bed and waking up. And so

39:39

I wanted an external like

39:41

catastrophe to, to kind of

39:43

like frame a certain

39:45

amount of time. And then I played with like,

39:48

why four days? And I came with like, it's

39:50

just long enough for you to be able to

39:52

like go travel somewhere and do something. Without

39:55

feeling like, like if, if

39:58

you had a time loop of like three. months, you

40:01

know, that would be easy. You know, you travel somewhere,

40:03

you could do everything that you want. You can just like,

40:05

you know, export your life somewhere. One

40:08

day is not long enough to do that. Four

40:11

days gives a good amount of time to like,

40:13

feel like you can experience something, but you can't

40:15

take it with you. And so that's

40:17

like, I played with a bunch of different lengths

40:19

when I was mapping this out, but it seemed

40:21

to be like the right time. So

40:23

then I looked at what else other

40:26

time loop stories wind up doing.

40:28

And it's usually, it's almost always just one person. And

40:31

so, and even if there's a romance involved,

40:34

it's like, like Groundhog Day, you know,

40:36

Andy McDowell is like gradually broken down

40:39

like into like shortcuts, you

40:42

know, like what Bill Murray has to like, he knows

40:44

all this stuff right away. So we can connect with

40:46

her in like an hour and then like they have

40:48

a date. But I would,

40:50

I want to differentiate by

40:53

having two people in it and having

40:55

them experience it and bring different

40:57

values and experiences with them as they

40:59

try to go through this. So

41:01

in terms of structure, if you like my

41:04

book and if you like my books in

41:06

general, I might've recommended this last

41:08

time I was on the show Meet Me

41:10

in Another Life by Catriona Silvey is

41:13

not quite a time loop. It's

41:15

about two people who keep getting resurrected

41:17

in different stations of life, but they

41:20

keep finding each other. So like

41:22

one, one formed their like

41:25

parent child, one formed their friends, one formed

41:27

their lovers. And

41:29

then eventually they've come to realize

41:31

that this is happening and they

41:33

try to start figuring out how to break out of

41:35

it. And when I read it and

41:37

I told Catriona like right away, it's like, I'm

41:39

so jealous. You wrote this. I wish I wrote

41:42

this. Um, but then I talked with

41:44

her about the structure. And when I started to do the time

41:46

loop thing, um, the

41:48

structure of her book actually was a really

41:50

good way of like playing with like, how

41:53

do you introduce the

41:55

circumstances and then how do

41:57

you know when to fast forward with exposition?

42:00

And how do you handle like kind

42:02

of a third act left

42:04

turn into something a little bit

42:06

different to try to explain the

42:08

circumstances? So that's a that's

42:10

a recommendation from me if you enjoy

42:12

this book. Okay. Yay.

42:15

Okay, great. So, um, you

42:17

have a recurring theme of people disappearing

42:19

for long periods of time or being

42:21

away from their families and friends and

42:23

normalized for long periods of time throughout

42:25

your work. And I don't want

42:27

to give spoilers but this one does have both.

42:31

Is there a reason for that is the reason this ends up

42:33

being a recurring theme sort of in your work. Um,

42:36

I think we always write about the same stuff that we

42:39

deal with in therapy so that's

42:41

probably it. I

42:44

do find like the the impact of

42:47

relationships over time to be

42:49

like really really fascinating. One of the things

42:51

that I'm most fascinated about

42:53

is looking at our own lives and thinking

42:55

about who we were at like

42:57

different phases like in my 20s. Like,

43:00

I was I was freelance writing but I

43:03

was focused on like playing in bands

43:05

and DJing and like going clubbing every week.

43:08

And so, you know, that person

43:10

is completely different from who

43:12

I am now where I'm like, can I go to

43:14

bed at 10 o'clock tonight? Yes, this is gonna be

43:16

awesome. So, and

43:18

also like, you know, there are some friends that I've

43:20

stayed friends with, you know, my entire

43:23

life. And then there are other ones that

43:25

like, I remember I caught up with

43:27

a college friend after about like 15 years, a

43:30

few years ago, and she

43:32

sees me from like across the courtyard where

43:35

we're meeting and she yells, you look exactly

43:37

the same. What

43:40

are the expectations that we have for that

43:42

sort of thing, but especially with through the

43:44

lens of the pandemic, knowing that, you

43:48

know, we have all kind of changed in

43:50

ways of like, our careers have

43:52

moved on or we didn't see people for

43:54

a certain amount of time or like we

43:56

have physically moved locations. And

43:58

so like that sort of transformation is

44:00

always kind of fascinating to me because

44:02

you look at what

44:05

are the core traits that you carry with

44:07

you and like, who do you stay in

44:09

touch with and why are they important to

44:11

you? I love that. Yeah,

44:14

totally agree. Okay. So

44:16

you've answered all our normal questions. So I wanted to

44:18

throw a new one at you. I felt like I

44:20

didn't want to ask you the same thing over and

44:22

over again. So do you have

44:24

any hot reading tips for our listeners?

44:27

It can be anything that you think

44:29

is a good reading tip or

44:31

a book tip. So what I discovered

44:34

with library audio books and

44:36

eBooks recently is that

44:38

the Hoopla app, unlike,

44:40

um, oh, I'm, I'm Libro.

44:43

Um, Libby. Oh, Libby. Unlike Libby,

44:45

Hoopla does not have a queue. Everything

44:48

is on demand. It's got a smaller

44:50

catalog, but you'd never have to wait

44:52

for stuff. And so there's

44:54

there, like all of my books are on there.

44:57

And so if I like need to revisit it

45:00

for some reason, like for research, I can just

45:02

like check it out and then, you know, go

45:04

right to the chapter and then check it back

45:06

in, there is a limit. I think, I think

45:08

it's like eight checkouts a month or

45:11

something. Um, but for me, like I

45:13

listen while I'm driving, so I can't burn through things

45:15

that fast. And so sometimes if

45:17

I have extra listens, I

45:20

will just like recheck out like one of my

45:22

daughter's favorites and we'll just listen to it again,

45:24

uh, while we're driving. So that

45:26

is the Hoopla app. Make sure your library

45:28

connects to it. Okay. That is one

45:30

of the hottest tips I feel like we've

45:32

ever gotten. And I didn't know that I

45:35

use Hoopla for, um, movies, I guess, like

45:37

that's what I, I'm on there for movies.

45:39

Um, right. They have movies as well. That's

45:41

the, that's the library. Um, I didn't even,

45:43

I've never even looked at audio books on

45:45

there. So wow. That's

45:47

a very hot tip. Life changing. Life

45:50

changing. Okay. Where can listeners find you

45:52

online? Where can they find the book?

45:55

Uh, the book should be in all

45:57

of the regular retailers. Hopefully Your indie

45:59

store. Very good. You can

46:01

find me online. My website that I

46:03

need to update are often is my

46:05

Ten bucks.com I'm on social media at

46:08

the same handle everywhere which is Mike

46:10

Chang writer, not the suit guy, not

46:12

the minor league hockey players, not my

46:14

dentist. I am

46:16

still somewhat on Twitter, though I'm trying

46:19

to really back off of that. I

46:21

do enjoy Blue Sky, and I'm trying

46:23

to make better use of Instagram. Great.

46:27

Awesome! Thank you for coming on the shell once

46:29

again. Thank you for having me for

46:31

six times in a row. For.

46:38

Time to answer a recommendation. Requests from

46:40

Am Briere. you want to read em,

46:42

request how ya I'm inserts and Cz

46:44

disaster books and or underwater setting bucks

46:46

and currently reading into the Drowning The

46:49

by Me or Grant and Loving at

46:51

I have a huge lot for cheesy

46:53

early two Thousand Psi Phi Like the

46:55

Core Twenty Twelve Ah. The. Happening

46:57

and world where these and during does at

46:59

center of the Earth. Different books that have

47:01

that same vibe. A lot of them are

47:03

set in post apocalypse is but I'm looking

47:06

for more pre present apocalypse in terms of

47:08

underwater vibes. I really love to see the

47:10

movies a mag and the one that came

47:12

out a little while ago with Kristen Stewart.

47:14

Odd that had they're working on a deep

47:16

sea oil rig which I think his book

47:18

called and or this is Brian saying that

47:20

I'd you want to read and will have

47:23

it is fast. These books immersive books, clear

47:25

characters are plus size I and sometimes contemporary

47:27

romance. And The Dog House is classics

47:29

which is nineteen fifties or older. historical

47:31

love triangles and horror that involves mental

47:33

illness. We're would you think I'm sorry.

47:36

For this and it's called Point of Disaster

47:38

Books or point about a mile and now

47:40

I might hurt that. You don't want the

47:42

road. You want to see how the rough

47:44

road happened. You all watch it unfold. You

47:46

want the inception. Of the Rose Vi.

47:49

You there for the concert the last, the

47:51

most horrible construction job and the world's ah

47:53

but it's like that's is when things happened.

47:55

Was I dressed in movies? along our

47:58

yeah ten years ago actual bathroom which

48:00

you can watch usually at your library

48:02

at Canopy. Yeah, I was gonna say Hoopla's got

48:04

it. And it was a point of disaster, where

48:06

it was like, it was when the apocalypse started

48:08

happening, but everyone was like, oh, it's a post-apocalyptic

48:11

movie. I'm like, no, the apocalypse is happening. It's

48:13

current, it's current apocalypse. The one that came to

48:15

mind first was a book I just recently read

48:17

called The Islands at the End of the World

48:19

by Austin Aslan. It's set in Hawaii. You never

48:21

heard of this. It's in Hawaii, it's on a

48:24

couple different islands and there's this big disaster and

48:26

technology fails and it centers around this family who

48:28

can't get a hold of each other and

48:31

they're trying to figure out what to do. So it's

48:33

all about, it's very, if you like, yeah,

48:36

2012, it's a very like, yeah, point of

48:38

disaster book where you get to see things

48:40

as they're unfolding. What about you? What do

48:43

you have for Em? I'm

48:45

gonna recommend an apocalyptic underwater horror by a horror

48:47

author that I love. It's called The Deep by

48:49

Nick Cutter. And it's about

48:51

this global plague that is annihilating humanity, people

48:53

are dying, and then a cure is discovered,

48:55

but the only problem is that the ingredients

48:58

that used to make the cure are from

49:00

deep in the Mariana Trench. You

49:02

know, nothing good happens in a trench. No,

49:05

we learned that from the Meg too. And the

49:07

red one. So

49:09

this team is sent down to the

49:11

Mariana Trench to like, you know, do

49:13

research, harvest these ingredients, but soon they

49:15

stopped communicating with the surface. So another

49:17

team is sent in after them and

49:20

like, again, nothing good happens. If you were a scientist

49:22

and you're ever, someone's ever like, hey, we need to

49:24

send you in after this team, say no. Nothing

49:27

good is gonna happen to you. And that's all

49:29

I'm gonna tell you. So this other, the book is

49:31

like this other team that's going down there to like

49:33

see what happened to them. And so

49:35

it's, I think it's everything that Em's looking

49:38

for, you know, it is very, it's fast

49:40

paced, it's immersive, but it's also underwater. It's

49:42

a disaster. It's like a current apocalypse. Yeah,

49:45

it's really scary. Nick Cutter's books are fucking

49:47

terrifying. So that's The

49:49

Deep by Nick Cutter. And mine is

49:51

Islands at the End of the World

49:53

by Austin Aslan. So you can send

49:56

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