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to an HBO podcast from the HBO

1:02

Late Night Series, Real Time with Bill

1:04

Mau. Hi,

1:30

how you doing?

1:36

How are you down

1:40

there? Thank

1:44

you very

1:46

much. Thank

1:49

you people. All right, we've

1:51

got a big historic

1:54

show. All

1:59

right, well. I guess you heard the news.

2:03

That's right, a New York a jury of his

2:06

peers found Donald Trump guilty on 34 counts. That

2:08

woke him up. Trump,

2:15

I did, you're watching, Trump was incensed.

2:17

He shot out of his chair.

2:19

He said to his lawyers, do something. What do you

2:21

think I'm not paying you for? So,

2:24

yeah, who's

2:26

the... He's

2:31

hitting a distraught and pissed off these days. But I've

2:33

got to say, Don, if there's a silver line to

2:35

this, you finally did something that made Stormy come. You

2:47

know what they say? Don't do the porn star if

2:49

you can't do the time. An

2:52

old shame. Now,

2:58

of course the Democrats are trying not to

3:00

gloat, but it's hard.

3:03

Hillary Clinton today tweeted, lock who

3:05

up, Bill? She

3:16

did not tweet that. She

3:18

thought that. She did not tweet. But

3:22

of course this trial is not really

3:24

over because I can't

3:26

believe I'm saying these words, but Trump is

3:28

appealing. Yeah,

3:35

they're going to be in a pool. And

3:39

their big talking point today is, if

3:42

they do it to me, this could happen to

3:44

anyone. Yes, of course. I'll have to

3:46

remember that next time I'm cheating on my third

3:48

wife with a porn star to pay her off

3:50

when I'm running for president. Well,

4:00

this morning Trump, oh my gosh, did you

4:03

see the press conference outside of Trump Tower?

4:06

He went off, everything was fixed, everything was rigged, everything

4:08

was unfair, but he said, I have to get him,

4:10

it's the worst day in the history of the world.

4:15

Crazy leaps, the Associated Press said it

4:18

was completely disjointed. All I got to

4:20

say is, he's still got it. He's

4:22

still got it. Nothing

4:25

gets the edge down, but... Magination

4:30

is distraught and spitting

4:33

mad. Over

4:36

on Fox News, Judge Jeanine Pirra was drinking

4:38

straight out of the bottle. I mean, it's...

4:48

Of course, Trump's fans, the Magination, they're

4:50

trying to buck him up. Did you

4:52

see when he walked out of the

4:55

trial after the verdict, they were all

4:57

out there singing, for he's a jolly good Sal,

4:59

and for he's a jolly good Sal, and... Remember

5:09

all those Republicans who were dressing like

5:12

him? Yeah, now they're all

5:14

in orange jumpsuits. I mean, it's very

5:16

weird, it's very weird.

5:18

And... This

5:24

was a touching scene in the courthouse, right

5:26

after they announced the verdict, all guilty,

5:29

guilty, guilty, 34 times, and

5:31

they started to take him away. Lindsey Graham stood up

5:33

in the back of the gallery and screamed, I'll wait

5:35

for you! So... Oh

5:47

yes, it is funny, and we can

5:49

laugh, but let's not lose perspective here.

5:51

This is actually a very sad day

5:53

in American history, when a former president,

5:55

and possibly future president, is now an

5:57

American felon. And You know, on the other hand, I see

5:59

that as a very sad day. Like tonight, I'm the guy you

6:01

should be dancing jerking off to guy. Or.

6:16

My. Family's America Cinematic Master

6:18

of the Outrageous. His cult classic

6:20

musical Cry Berries Baby starring Johnny Depp

6:22

was just released and up for gay,

6:24

ultra High Def and Brew Lorenz Week.

6:27

John. Waters is

6:31

this. Coming

6:42

summer that you had never seen this clip

6:44

I just showed up well judging he's doing

6:46

the monkey that was a dance and that

6:49

some his era. Really you just went up

6:51

down here are gonna keep. Doing

6:55

this as oddly specific stew

6:57

else just monkeys. you know

6:59

they too can eat it

7:01

to end your call from

7:04

public sauce. I

7:11

remember. When you were like a trial

7:13

groupies yak in the seventies you like to

7:15

go to dry use of an recognize. I

7:17

don't go right but did you watch this

7:19

on Team Hundred Years and a thing I

7:21

keep thinking is for sentencing if it gets

7:23

home detention you will hear Molony a scream

7:26

all the way from from. Anything.

7:37

He her go to prison. Well. I

7:39

only want to see that one shot in the shower

7:41

when they allow sit down. And that one piece? a

7:43

Hair's Millionaire. Family

7:47

now because otherwise, You

7:50

know, in jail? In.

7:55

Iowa you say the guards and sneak in

7:57

our cell phones. He's gonna have to sneak

7:59

in. Justin. Man on

8:01

a glass. Was

8:09

amazed. I feel like so many of the

8:11

details or come out in this trial were

8:13

like this: Is. Just a perfect for you

8:15

if you want. Well I'm in the mushroom

8:18

shape of his depth. they didn't have that

8:20

much last he said that are high your

8:22

yard where she had said that earlier and

8:24

right. but. What? I mean like I'm

8:26

item. I don't know that much about decks, but.

8:35

On my maybe you know what what would

8:37

cause about why would why would be I

8:39

don't know just some kind of deformity or

8:41

nothing I don't know make their decks are

8:43

all go pointed different ways and everything else.

8:45

That's why when I was younger there was

8:47

club called the glory Hole where people just

8:49

went in and yes and I'm about heard

8:51

somebody. Somebody said.i

8:53

hope I didn't blow Rex receives. Is. T

8:59

Mobile male model. Pursuing

9:05

the film critics half. Ago.

9:08

I know that much about his rival,

9:10

a manner of i didn't know when

9:12

you're in the booth and one came

9:14

into our was upstairs. yeah. Different

9:17

times everyone to know I was called Basic

9:20

Plumbing and the booze were clear of course.

9:25

I'm learning so much tonight. I. Also.

9:34

And then get out. You cast people in

9:36

a way most directors have not. And when

9:38

you cast Tracy Lawrence when she was born

9:40

store Stormy Daniels is a porn star. Well

9:42

but the difference was nothing happens good when

9:44

you're a porn site under age and as

9:47

movies are all kiddie porn she's overnight. Chevron

9:49

are like the Stormy Daniels actually took credit

9:51

for. You know she produced movie just Strikers

9:53

My friend used the greatest Porn Star ever.

9:55

Wondered. why do you think there's never

9:57

been up a crossover porn star him there Marilyn

10:00

Chambers and there's a good new book about her.

10:02

She was on a crossover. Yeah, she was in

10:04

the David Cronenberg movie. Yeah, she crossed over some.

10:06

Yeah. A little bit, but not like a star.

10:09

Well, Tracy Lores was in a movie with Johnny

10:11

Depp, so... Yeah, that's true. ...and she did pretty

10:13

well. Yeah. And that's a great movie. Thank you.

10:15

Thank you. And it's about

10:17

juvenile delinquents. In the 50s they called white

10:19

kids that the blacks were criminals. Right.

10:23

You know, and she were a teenager. So juvenile

10:25

delinquent was kind of sexy in that. I'm

10:27

an adult delinquent now. It's

10:31

amazing the way, you know, what they said about whores

10:33

and old buildings or something. If you

10:36

wait around long enough, everything becomes respectable. Well, yeah,

10:38

I've been around a long time, definitely. And

10:41

the movies and everything are doing better today than

10:43

they ever did. I mean, Pink Flamingo was

10:45

banned. Oh, everywhere in the country. I never, I

10:47

lost every obscenity case ever. Right. We

10:50

just pled guilty. It was easy. But then it's

10:52

on... It is obscene.

10:55

But I think it's in the

10:58

Library of Congress's... Well, yeah. And

11:01

we didn't even have intimacy experts. Imagine

11:03

if we had, you know, they make you have them

11:06

now... Oh, you're into that be all right to eat

11:08

shit? Do you have breath mints? Yeah. You

11:16

mean... They

11:18

call them intimacy coordinators. Yeah, they're on set if you have

11:20

sex or anything. Right, if you're about to

11:22

have a sex scene. Do you have any problems with

11:24

saying the line, do my balls, mama? I mean, you

11:26

know... But

11:33

you think it's really needed because I've never once

11:35

heard any actor talk about doing a sex scene

11:37

in a way that it was sexy. No, I

11:39

hate filming them. It's embarrassing. And it's embarrassing. You

11:41

want to get it over with. Right. So why

11:43

do you need somebody to look over your shoulder?

11:45

Just one other person to, you know, watch. Right.

11:50

You know, some other voyeur

11:52

hanging out. Right. I

11:54

mean, I don't know if this is true, but I think it was

11:56

George C. Scott who was attributed to this line. He

11:58

was about to do a... sex scene with the

12:01

woman and he said, the actress, and he

12:03

said, I apologize if I get an erection

12:05

and I apologize if I don't. Exactly. I

12:08

had a, it happened,

12:13

in a dirty shame before we had extras

12:16

that had to make out and French kiss

12:18

each other all day in the background. They

12:20

didn't complain. Right. They had fun.

12:22

You know, it was, it was fine. It's an amazing

12:24

job where you can meet somebody. I heard one extra,

12:26

that little fucker got a hard arm. That's a one-so-one-ter.

12:32

And you can be doing it at eight in the

12:34

morning. This is six in the morning sometimes. Right. We

12:36

shot early. Get that morning shot, right? I'm out of

12:38

bed and you have to come. I

12:41

didn't mean that. Well,

12:44

so it's pride month tomorrow, the

12:46

beginning. I don't have a date

12:48

yet. But

12:52

the Pope, right on cue.

12:54

I know. I'm sure he saw this

12:56

story. Against faggoty. That's child molester. That's what we ought

12:58

to be watching out for. But

13:01

I don't. Wrong. I'm

13:03

wrong. Beyond

13:06

the gay thing is I want, because it's

13:08

so accepted now, I want new minorities. I

13:10

want strags. That's straight guys who only sleep

13:12

with faggots. And

13:16

there's nothing wrong with the term faggot either, by

13:18

the way. They're in our community. Right. There's

13:21

also drag kings. That's trans who go further

13:23

and get in drag is what they were

13:25

before, more exaggerated. And

13:29

there's not beatin' us but neatniks,

13:31

the cleanest people alive, who snort

13:33

Ajax and vacuum their

13:35

front lawns and hang out in

13:37

laundromats. I'm trying

13:39

to come up with new perversion. Yeah. I

13:45

didn't mean

13:48

to get to work that hard. Well,

13:50

and I feel sorry for young people. They

13:52

never had crabs. Our pubic

13:54

past is something we have to remember.

13:56

So I think there was people

13:59

my age that always... Crabs again

14:01

for nostalgia. Why?

14:07

I know more. No one had. Crab

14:09

Vitter eyelashes and I was talking to

14:11

us that she was. Means

14:18

ships were a feeble of know the

14:20

story were referring to the Pope Julia

14:22

the other day. Recess was big into

14:24

a group of his own faggot three

14:26

or so Asia for sightedness idea was

14:28

something like that he was decrying. I

14:30

mean he's bees bitched about this before

14:33

because I feel like I look I

14:35

think he they could soon as the

14:37

com the world pope I think. "It's

14:39

some ways he is, he is not anti

14:41

get hit, yes, he is, here's the things",

14:43

he says, "Sigma Edge: I gave a fuck

14:45

and pope you got rid" Of

14:48

one straight face. had no more eat

14:50

meat on Friday were got rid of

14:52

limbo so say is legal. Who cares

14:54

thinking do with one second. Okay but

14:56

my I think the which that's true.

14:58

Chipmakers A don't commit me I'm a

15:00

guy you made religious. Okay, I'm a

15:02

sucker. For

15:08

the Abs conventions, he said they were all

15:11

drunks. Know

15:13

we're not all I know. When she went

15:15

to the convention she said most were oh

15:17

please, we have less reason to drink and

15:20

the I before he says matt I'm Madeline

15:22

Marie was from Baltimore see I know. bumper

15:24

sticker and title rare is begging. Begging.

15:27

Yes, it is. Yeah, Okay,

15:29

are you are not last

15:31

one I'm drawn to reply

15:34

heads anyway. I

15:36

think that would bugs the pope is that he's

15:38

not. I don't think he's against gay people like

15:40

he's made some moves that were very helpful in

15:42

said you can get into heaven so forth. What?

15:47

I'm saying nobody like a liberal fi still

15:49

see how angry and you can't get married

15:52

and it's not okay. But Wesley What he's

15:54

totally shocked when he's as a good bugs

15:56

him is that. On. p i think

15:58

he saying i'm not against gay But

16:00

I'm ahead of this organization, which is

16:02

all gay now. They're not all gay,

16:05

they're pedophiles. That's different. They're not all

16:07

pedophiles. Most are. Let me tell you.

16:10

I used to think,

16:12

who chooses to be a pedophile? Nobody.

16:14

It's reckless. But the people that know

16:16

they are in Haidom, they're more guilty

16:19

morally. I think so. Yes,

16:25

of course. Yes, obviously.

16:28

I think they're conflating gays and pedophiles, and

16:30

that's a dangerous question. No, it is, because

16:32

there's nuns that are pedophiles. They're all, everybody.

16:35

Okay. Anyway, I'm going to

16:37

drop this. I think what he's

16:39

just trying to say is like this

16:41

organization used to be about something other

16:43

than gayness. And now it's all

16:46

about gayness. I'm not against you, but this

16:48

used to be about a different thing. This

16:50

guy, Jesus Christ. Anyway, let's move on to

16:52

another subject. So

16:58

it's Pride Month. It used to be called

17:00

Gay Pride. And now

17:02

you wouldn't ever say that because it

17:04

has to be included. LGBTQ and all

17:06

those other things. I'm sorry, I

17:08

don't remember all the letters now. But

17:11

are you for that? I'm for it,

17:14

but my parents never asked me if I was

17:16

gay. They feared it was something worse. For

17:21

me, I think gay is a good start, but

17:23

it's not enough. But

17:27

isn't it wrong to lump all these different people? To

17:30

me, if I was one of these people, I

17:32

would not want to be lumped in with this,

17:34

like, okay, here's the heterosexual people, and here's every

17:37

other one of you people who many times don't

17:39

have a lot in common. Well, they don't. I

17:41

mean, like, you know, I mean, I

17:43

say I'm from a generation of gay men. We don't

17:46

have a jerk-off to them. There's

17:50

something they have to teach us. Right.

17:53

All right. Well, good luck with the

17:55

human movement. I'm

17:57

glad you recovered from your accident. It's always good.

18:00

Great to see you John Waters. Thank

18:02

you. John Waters. All

18:05

right, let's meet our panel. Hi,

18:17

I'm President Obama's Chief

18:19

Campaign Strategist, CNN political correspondent

18:21

David Axelrod is with us.

18:26

And he

18:28

is the former Republican Congressman and

18:30

Representative of Colorado's 4th Congressional District,

18:32

Ken Buck. Out of Congress now.

18:35

Great to see you. Thank you. I

18:39

want to thank you especially for keeping the book in here. I

18:41

know this must have been a tough day

18:44

for you yesterday. And all Republicans, they did

18:46

not like what happened. I'm

18:49

not sure where you are with who you're voting

18:51

for, but did the verdict yesterday might

18:54

change your vote that he's found

18:56

guilty? I am not a Donald

18:58

Trump fan and I am not a Joe Biden

19:00

fan. So I'm still looking for that alternative

19:03

out there. Well, that's wow.

19:05

That's optimistic because it's, you

19:07

know, almost June. So

19:12

you're not going to vote for either one of them. Right

19:15

now I'm not voting for either one of

19:17

them. We'll see what happens when we get

19:19

closer to election day. OK, I want to

19:21

read some of the statements that people made

19:23

for the Republicans because I just want to

19:25

ask this one question about that. Here's like

19:28

Laura Ingraham, the Democrats are showing what real

19:30

power is, the type of power we usually

19:32

see dictators exercise in China and Cuba and

19:34

North Korea. Pretty strong words there. Sean

19:36

and Tucker said, the foundation of our

19:38

constitutional republic is literally dying before our

19:41

eyes. Tucker, anyone who defends this verdict

19:43

is a danger to you and

19:45

your family. This

19:48

is a jury. This seems

19:50

to be lost on the people

19:52

in your party. I don't get

19:54

this stuff about dictators and, you

19:57

know, we're losing our way of life. This is our way of

19:59

life. This was a journey.

20:12

From my perspective, I don't blame the jury.

20:14

I think the jury was given instructions. They

20:16

follow those instructions. they they look at the

20:18

facts. The prom I have is I I

20:20

prosecuted for twenty five years. I never ran

20:23

for office and said I'm going to get

20:25

somebody Number one, Number two. On.

20:27

I never tried a case or or

20:29

or handle the case or supervised a

20:31

case that didn't follow a very specific

20:34

pattern. The police are called, there is

20:36

a dead body, there's for bullet holes,

20:38

there's a robbery, there is a burglary,

20:40

and. Ah, Youth of what

20:42

happens before the who Then the police

20:45

go out and investigating determine who in

20:47

this situation. The Police That the

20:49

the police. The prosecutor said we're going to

20:51

go. I'm in a whole Donald Trump accountable

20:53

And he did. And that's what people are

20:55

objecting to. As if they can hold down

20:58

com accountable taken aim at one person. This

21:00

is a dangerous situation for our country. What's

21:02

wrong with holding people accountable. For

21:07

more. Or.

21:11

Horrible. You and I and David have

21:13

all committed crimes if we want to

21:15

take a magnifying glass and it's illegal.

21:17

Nails and. Honestly,

21:26

you don't need a huge magnifying glass

21:28

in this case. I mean, this is

21:30

you. got it. Michael Cohen Went to

21:33

prison. For. His involvement in the

21:35

thing that Donald Trump got. Convicted

21:37

for. Yesterday

21:40

so I don't. I.

21:42

Don't understand. But. Know

21:45

how that is? Taking. A magnifying glass

21:47

at it was there for everybody to see.

21:49

The question is whether it's the guy who

21:51

masterminded the thing. Would. Be held accountable

21:53

and now he is. Sign is a good

21:55

thing. I think it's a good thing in

21:58

this country if. No. Matter of. you

22:00

are, you are

22:03

held accountable when

22:05

you break the

22:08

law. You

22:11

are such an honorable member of Congress,

22:13

you know this. Democracy

22:16

rests on rules and laws and

22:18

norms, institutions. It's

22:21

dangerous when the guy in charge doesn't

22:23

believe in any of those and doesn't

22:25

think they applied to him. That's really

22:27

dangerous for our country. So

22:29

this kind of rhetoric is nuts.

22:32

Should he go to jail? Over the top. That

22:35

rhetoric is over the top. I'm not excusing that rhetoric.

22:37

I'm not excusing Donald Trump's language

22:40

at all. What I'm pointing out

22:42

is that I can't even understand his language.

22:44

I don't. What

22:51

I'm pointing out is that this is a

22:53

dangerous precedent. If you don't think Republican DAs

22:56

and Republican attorney generals are going to turn

22:58

this around, they will. And what

23:00

I saw in Congress was I saw

23:02

two impeachments that were unwarranted. And

23:04

the Democrats talked to me about that after the

23:06

fact. Now we all of a sudden

23:08

are impeaching my orchids and we're trying

23:11

to impeach Biden. What one side

23:13

does, the other side picks up on very quickly

23:15

and it's a bad slope for

23:17

us. That's right. But that's a false equivalency as

23:19

to who's committing the crimes. I mean there are

23:22

bad things done on both sides, just not nearly

23:24

in equal measure. I mean you're

23:26

right it's a convoluted case. I brought in what we

23:28

had said, I did an editorial about this way back

23:30

saying I don't know if they should bring this case.

23:32

It's people just going to see it about a sex

23:34

case. Here's what we said. Joe

23:36

Sixback is not going to take the time

23:38

to wrap his head around how the statute

23:40

of limitations applies to a misdemeanor of

23:43

falsifying business records if it involves

23:45

a violation of state election law

23:47

in a second crime involving a

23:49

federal campaign conditional on the residential

23:51

status of the defendant. That's

23:54

kind of hard to put on a bumper sticker. Wow,

24:01

We should have been run federally by Merrick

24:03

Garland because it is of it. The that's

24:05

really the case and that's you know that's

24:08

the weird thing. It was a falsifying business

24:10

records case in the state and yet the

24:12

closing argument was all about hey, this is

24:14

what got him the election. This. Is

24:16

what and it. Didn't. Get em election?

24:18

I don't know. Did. Russia. Get him the

24:20

election. I don't know. And you can't

24:22

We litigate all that stuff I didn't I never

24:24

thought the democrats were right to be talking about

24:27

he's an illegitimate present. He got to

24:29

votes, I agree with you on that, and

24:31

I agree with you, look, when they this

24:33

is not the case they keep saying, "Well,

24:35

this is" Biden. Orchestrated

24:38

plot. First of all, you

24:40

can say a guy is

24:42

senile and incompetent, but he's

24:44

the diabolical mastermind. All

24:50

from the beginning that nobody would

24:52

have chosen this case. There are

24:54

four cases. Some of them are

24:56

very very serious. I mean, I

24:58

disagree with Can about a January

25:00

sixth and that the presence in

25:03

vomit and overturning the election Many

25:05

of the people who voted. Against

25:07

convicting him in that impeachment. Said

25:09

wealth. It's up to the courts now

25:11

and now. The courts are being frustrated

25:13

or. Wants actions

25:16

been frustrated because press wants to delay

25:18

it passed his election but I I

25:20

said at the time that this case

25:22

was being contemplated that if you have

25:25

to say porn star and novel legal

25:27

Syrian the same sentence, maybe better think

25:29

about. his

25:37

early today it's ding dong the wicked

25:39

witch is dead but in i've seen

25:41

this monster arrive arise from the grave

25:43

so many times out of the in

25:45

i'm saying and by his nuts who

25:47

and redux what how the orient what reaction

25:49

with the long term effect of this

25:51

will be except for one bill i

25:53

i i did podcasts earlier this week

25:55

with chris christie who knows him very

25:57

well and he said you guys are

26:00

all thinking about how voters are going to react

26:02

to this. Think about how Trump's going to react

26:04

to it, because the two things that he fears

26:06

the most are bankruptcy in prison. And

26:09

he is going to become angrier

26:12

and more paranoid and more apocalyptic

26:14

if he is found guilty. And we

26:16

saw that this morning. That was a

26:18

batshit crazy press conference. Not

26:21

the first I've seen before. No, of course.

26:23

There's been many. He sort of lives in

26:25

that state. I didn't see a big

26:27

difference between normal. But now

26:31

here's the key question. Is he going to

26:33

go to jail? Would this judge dare do

26:35

that? And should he? I mean, should I

26:38

mean, I've heard some people say, if his

26:40

name wasn't Donald Trump, he would definitely get

26:42

jail time. But sending it

26:44

a former American president to jail, I don't know.

26:46

That's something I'm asking. I

26:49

don't think he goes to jail on a white collar crime like this.

26:52

I just don't think that's the sentence. If you

26:54

look at the sentencing history for crimes like this

26:56

in Manhattan, I just don't think he gets jail

26:58

time. I mean, first time offense. And your point

27:01

is right. Listen, a lot of

27:03

people in my tribe don't like it when I

27:05

say this. But yeah, I think

27:07

there is something about jailing a

27:09

former president, especially on something like

27:11

this that is,

27:14

to me, worrisome

27:18

for our country. And

27:20

I would really be

27:22

shocked if this judge gave

27:25

him a prison sentence for this. I mean, Maganation

27:27

will go nuts. I don't know if that's a

27:29

reason to or not to do something. But

27:32

they will. Yeah, but one of the things about

27:34

this apocalyptic language that you hear from all of

27:36

these, the Amen chorus, is

27:39

they really are inviting violence. And

27:41

that's a big concern of mine.

27:44

And Trump is completely unrestrained in

27:46

suggesting that maybe that's appropriate.

27:48

I mean, he hints that all the time. That's

27:50

how he got in trouble on January 6. And

27:53

he's doing it again, because I think he's more

27:55

desperate now than he was then. But

27:58

if they put him in jail, I. I know it'll

28:00

happen because the judge's name was Juan. Yes.

28:05

Everything becomes racial in this country. That's

28:07

partly because of our horrible, despicable racial

28:10

past, partly because some of

28:12

that racism lives on in the present, and

28:14

some of it because the far left

28:16

makes everything racial. But

28:19

that's what it's gonna be. I mean, do you

28:21

see that movie, Civil War, that's out now? I

28:24

have not. I've heard that I should. Yeah,

28:26

no, it sucks. All right, could you? It

28:30

just saved me two hours. Yeah, I did. I'm

28:35

sorry, that's a hard reveal. The actors

28:37

are great, but it sucks because

28:39

they don't explain why we're in the Civil

28:41

War, and it's just not realistic. First of

28:43

all, California and Texas are on the same

28:45

team, and they

28:47

never explain that. The federal government is

28:50

fighting the Western Alliance, which is us

28:52

in Texas. Really? They're

28:55

on the same side? And

28:59

it's unclear who's on what side and for

29:01

what reason. And there's black people fighting alongside

29:03

a white people. I'm

29:06

sorry, but- Now I don't even have to see the movie. No,

29:08

you don't. A

29:10

Civil War in this country, I'm sorry to say, becomes

29:12

a race war. That's the

29:14

sad truth about this country. And if they

29:16

put him in jail, I mean, the

29:19

first thing his supporters are gonna say is, oh,

29:22

that's what it is. Well, that's the

29:24

first thing- A black district attorney, all

29:26

these people who are the district attorneys,

29:29

they're black, the judge was not white.

29:32

This is what it is. So which team are

29:34

the Nikki Haley voters on? I gotta figure this out.

29:36

Oh. Is

29:47

she the one who shot the dog? That's

29:50

the other one. I'm sorry. All

29:53

right. Let me ask you this

29:55

question because I'm worried about

29:57

Biden as many people are. And

29:59

David. you've said things like there is

30:01

a lot of leadership talent in the Democratic

30:04

Party poised to emerge, like

30:06

cicadas. That

30:10

sounded like you wanted someone else at

30:12

one point. I mean, I certainly

30:15

did. I loudly said I

30:17

thought he would be Ruth Bader

30:19

Biden if he continued to run,

30:21

but he is continuing to run.

30:23

But here's what I read in

30:25

Politico, a pervasive fear, sense

30:27

of fear, has settled in at

30:29

the highest levels of the Democratic

30:32

Party over President Joe Biden's reelection

30:34

prospects, even among office holders and

30:36

strategists who had previously expressed confidence.

30:39

The debate is June 27th. We never

30:41

had one before the convention. If

30:43

Joe really shits the bed, would that be

30:45

a good opportunity to make the switch then?

30:49

Listen, that is a

30:51

fantasy that I hear a lot. Yes,

30:54

I did rate, I like Joe Biden, and

30:56

I worked with him and I was grateful

30:58

to work with him and I think he's

31:00

done a lot of very, very fine things

31:02

as president for which history will be kind

31:04

to him. That's not the question.

31:07

The question is whether at this

31:09

age he should have run, but he did run.

31:12

And right now he is the

31:14

nominee of the Democratic Party. This is

31:16

not 1968 where the convention is going to decide.

31:19

We changed the rules. Voters nominated a

31:21

candidate. They've nominated Joe Biden and he's

31:23

not going anywhere. And there's no delegation

31:26

of elders. I mean, how do you

31:28

find elders anyway? But there's no generation

31:30

of elders who

31:32

are going to go to the White House and tell

31:35

him that he can't run. He is going to run.

31:37

And one of the reasons they wanted an early debate, I'm sure,

31:39

is to focus people on this is the choice.

31:42

It's Trump and Biden. I mean, you can take

31:44

the easy way out and say, well, I'm not

31:46

going to vote for either of them. But one

31:48

of those guys is going to be president of

31:50

the United States. And people ought to focus on

31:52

that and give up on

31:55

the sort of fantasy that

31:58

there's going to be another candidate. I'm about

32:00

to rest. All right, listen. I have

32:02

a few thank yous to do. This book

32:05

came out this week. It's my book. This

32:07

is Canadian Fed this afternoon. And

32:14

it went straight

32:17

to number one. I've been saying New York Times best-selling

32:19

author for a long time, but all my guests, and

32:21

now I get to say it about myself and the

32:23

great people on this staff who helped me with this,

32:25

and the people who bought it, I want to thank

32:27

you, the people at the publishing company. I

32:29

have one quibble. I was out in New York last week promoting

32:32

it. You may have seen me on every show. Rule

32:39

in selling the books. But the

32:42

title, you know, this was a funny title, I

32:44

thought. What's this Canadian Fed will shock you? You

32:46

see, it's a joke on clickbait. I

32:52

just can't sell the joke of this title, apparently. But

32:55

I thought it was funny because I never saw

32:57

clickbait as a title. And the truth is that

32:59

we are getting to the point in this country

33:02

where you're going to have to use clickbait for

33:04

literally everything because people don't read anymore. They

33:06

don't read newspapers. They don't know what's going on because

33:08

they don't read. And this is the only way you

33:10

get them to read. So we thought we'd

33:12

show you some of the headlines we're probably going to see in

33:14

the future. If you want to get people to read, you're going

33:16

to have to clickbait it. Would you like to see some of

33:18

these? You'll never guess

33:21

what this 80's celeb looks like now. Um,

33:37

come on. Fall asleep anywhere

33:39

with this one simple trick. Uh, we're talking

33:41

about twisting home. Uh, pet training tricks. Veterinarians

33:45

don't want you to know. Uh,

33:52

you want to get them to read about Mike Pence? You

33:54

won't believe what one boss did when this employee sees him. I

34:00

said, no. Ah,

34:07

Lauren Bobert, this trick for getting a second

34:09

date may surprise you. Ah,

34:17

you mentioned Chris Christie. See what happens if

34:19

you drink syrup every day for one month.

34:26

Um, John Fetterman, you

34:29

won't believe where this man works. And,

34:37

uh, Marjorie Taylor Greene, baby born without

34:39

brain, is now all grown up. Can

34:53

we talk about the Supreme Court a little

34:55

bit? Because I see Mike Johnson, Speaker of

34:57

the House, after the verdict said, I

34:59

do believe the Supreme Court should step

35:01

in, obviously. I don't know if it's

35:04

that obvious. He said, I think that the justice

35:06

on the court, I know many of them personally.

35:08

Well, maybe you shouldn't. I

35:10

thought this was separation of church and

35:12

state, okay, and branches

35:15

of government. I think they're

35:17

deeply concerned, blah, blah, blah. First

35:19

of all, I don't know if the Supreme Court should step in.

35:21

Second of all, I feel like the

35:24

Supreme Court used to have such esteem, and

35:26

now they're just a politician in a robe. Um...

35:34

And, I mean,

35:36

we see this with Alito. This, this, this,

35:39

brouhaha about the flag. Now, I want to ask

35:41

about two flags. The

35:44

first story was he flew the, his wife, he blamed

35:46

it on the wife. Okay, but it's his house. Flew

35:48

the American flag upside down. I want to

35:51

get your take on that, because flying the

35:53

American flag upside down, and I'm not a

35:55

raw, raw kind of guy, you know. I

35:57

don't get a boner when the Blue Angels

35:59

fly overhead. I

36:01

don't give a shit what you do during the national

36:04

anthem. You know, you can kneel, you can sit, you

36:06

can fuck on the 50 yard line. I

36:09

don't care about any of that. But

36:13

there's a chapter in this book called Patriotic

36:16

Immunity. And I don't

36:18

understand why Republicans get away with doing things.

36:21

That if a Democrat would did it, I

36:23

mean, if Katonji Brown Jackson flew the

36:25

flag upside down, would that be OK?

36:30

Well, I don't know if Judge

36:32

Merchant's daughter worked for the Democrats,

36:34

if Judge Merchant donated

36:37

to Democratic causes, should he

36:39

recuse himself? I mean, that's what

36:41

they're actually asking is for Justice Alito

36:43

to recuse himself. And Congress

36:45

has the audacity to say, well, we

36:47

should impose certain rules. George

36:50

Santos has some free time right now. Maybe he

36:52

could draft those rules. And

36:54

then maybe Bob Menendez can carry that bill

36:56

in the Senate because he's certainly qualified. Well,

36:59

that is an interesting question I was going

37:01

to get to, the recusal. But right now

37:03

I'm just asking about the flag and flying

37:05

it upside down. I mean, Trump called McCain,

37:08

you know, he said he's not a war hero.

37:10

He's called military people losers. He

37:13

wouldn't go to that cemetery in France because

37:15

it was raining. He

37:17

said the other day, Memorial Day, this is

37:19

his tweet, Happy Memorial Day to all, including

37:22

the human scum that is

37:24

working so hard to destroy our once great country.

37:27

Don Jr., after the verdict, called

37:29

this country a third world shithole.

37:32

I remember when, when Obama didn't wear

37:34

a suit coat in the Oval Office.

37:37

I'm just asking about this weird

37:42

double standard of who gets to shit

37:45

on America and still be deemed

37:48

patriotic. It's bizarre to me. Is it

37:50

not to you? I

37:52

find it really offensive that on Memorial Day,

37:54

President Trump would talk about

37:57

this country being once great. It's

38:00

all about those who died for this

38:02

country to be great. And

38:04

the people who are wearing uniforms now

38:06

and risking their lives to keep this

38:08

country great, that's an insult to them. It's

38:10

an insult to the immigrants who want to

38:12

come to this country legally and be part

38:15

of this country. It's an insult to the

38:17

people who invest their money in our stock

38:19

markets. It's an insult to the police officers.

38:21

It's insulting to everybody. We don't need to

38:23

make America great again. America is great. I'm

38:25

a famous country of the world. I'm a... I'm

38:29

not sure... I'm

38:32

not sure the son of an immigrant,

38:35

a refugee actually from Eastern Europe

38:37

and who came here

38:39

with nothing and I ended up

38:42

as a senior advisor to the President of

38:44

the United States. I'm pretty grateful to this

38:46

country. I fly the flag right

38:49

side up and I think everybody

38:51

should. We have problems and we ought to

38:53

address those problems. That's what democracy is all

38:55

about. We're perfecting the union all

38:57

the time. But they're running down the country

38:59

for their own personal gain. And

39:02

that's unacceptable. Excuse me. Good. But

39:08

you're still going to

39:15

vote for them. That's

39:17

the weird part for me. Okay.

39:19

All right. So then there's this other

39:22

flag, the appeal to heaven flag. I had never heard

39:24

of this. I'm not again a flag person. But

39:27

this one, it says appeal to heaven on

39:29

it. It's got a picture of a pine tree.

39:33

I guess because the air is very fresh

39:35

in heaven. I don't know what that... I hope

39:37

so. I

39:39

hate to get to heaven and it smells like the

39:42

turnpike. You know? Huge disappointment.

39:44

But okay. I

39:49

find out now, because you never get the full

39:52

story from the first day

39:54

or from only one source, this flag flies

39:56

a lot of places. They're

39:58

saying it's, you know, Alito flag. fluid as it's

40:00

kind of a dog whistle to

40:02

stop the steel people, to machination. This is

40:05

their flag now. It means that we don't

40:07

believe in – you know, the election was

40:09

fair. But it was flying over the

40:11

city hall in San Francisco for 60 years. And

40:15

now, because of this flap,

40:18

Mayor London Breed there has ordered

40:20

the flag to be removed. And

40:24

the person who was

40:26

– the folks who went for San Francisco,

40:28

the parks official, since it's

40:31

since been adopted by a different

40:33

group, one that doesn't represent the

40:35

city's values. What

40:37

are the values of San Francisco? Well,

40:41

they have some good values in San Francisco and some

40:43

that go – and sometimes they take it way too

40:45

far. I would totally agree with you on that. I

40:47

would never vote for Trump, but I always say when

40:49

people do, I get it. The

40:52

left is cuckoo. Yeah. There's lots

40:54

of shit that makes people go

40:57

right where you go. But let me

40:59

ask you about this, okay? Because

41:02

I've seen the American flag – yes,

41:04

the American flag – trashed by

41:06

people who think that is somehow

41:09

owned by MAGA now. Nobody owns

41:11

these flags. Nobody owns

41:13

patriotism. I think it's a very

41:16

bad thing for San Francisco to take this down and

41:18

say, okay, that's you now. No,

41:21

it's not. Why? George Washington flew

41:23

this flag. They own George Washington

41:25

now? I'm

41:35

far more concerned that these

41:39

flags became

41:41

an issue because the upside-down

41:43

flag, that flag, were carried

41:45

by the insurrectionists on January

41:48

6th. I'm far less

41:50

concerned about the flags than the fact

41:52

that Donald Trump lionizes them as heroes

41:54

and says he will, as one of

41:56

his first acts, pardon all of them.

41:59

And that, to me, is more disrespectful to the

42:01

American flag than, than.

42:11

You agree with all that? I, I, look,

42:15

I don't get it. I'm honest. I just

42:17

don't get it. It's a flag. It

42:19

means different things to different people and why

42:21

San Francisco does that. So

42:24

here's what Alito said about this. He said, my

42:26

wife, he's saying that she's

42:29

flying this, and which is

42:31

okay, my wife is an independently minded private

42:33

citizen. She makes her own decisions and I

42:35

honor her right to do so. Pretty

42:41

funny from a guy who just out, made

42:43

abortion illegal. Well, I think he just changed.

42:45

I think he's so safe. Okay.

42:51

Don't you think under that black robe he's got a

42:54

shirt that says, you know, my body, my choice at

42:56

this point? I don't know about

42:58

that. I, I, I don't understand Republicans with

43:00

that kind of small government thing. I, I

43:02

believe them and then they do things like

43:05

DeSantis in Florida. He's

43:07

outlawing fake

43:09

meat. Why? Well, I thought there

43:11

was a small government people. If you, if you, if I

43:13

don't want to eat fake meat, I

43:16

don't eat fake meat. He's outlawing it. He just passed

43:18

or trying to pass something. It said for the next

43:20

like three months, bridges

43:22

can only show red,

43:25

white and blue colors. In other words, it's obviously

43:27

a shot at gay pride month so that you

43:29

can't show the rainbow colors. But to

43:31

make that a law is

43:33

this is not the kind of Republicanism you're for, is

43:35

it? Well, no, I don't think that

43:38

any form of government, any level of government has anything

43:40

to do with fake meat, unless

43:43

it's dangerous to the human body and it's

43:45

not. So leave it there. No,

43:47

but your, your point is exactly right. It

43:52

is weird to fly under the banner

43:54

of freedom when you're constantly trying to

43:56

take them away from people. I

43:58

Mean, it's not, it's just, You

44:07

get enough overbearing government from the

44:09

left. When the right

44:11

started to do it to, it's

44:13

just too much. Okay, last question,

44:15

The Washington Post says nearly everything

44:17

Americans believe about the economy is

44:20

wrong. So. Interesting. Sixty

44:22

five percent think the economy is shrinking

44:24

or is in a recession. And

44:26

thought be there were more the

44:28

reverse staff thing unemployment. Is it

44:30

a fifty year hi? it's it's

44:32

four percent are roughly half. Think

44:34

the stock markets are down there

44:36

an all time highs. I mean

44:39

Era Strategies. What? Do you do? When.

44:41

You can't get information and this on

44:43

my point about a quick. You.

44:46

Can and Information. Into people's heads? How can

44:49

jump? I. Pretty

44:51

much how can a run on? Are you better?

44:53

For years ago the new were enough Now and

44:55

you are four years ago Is it? If.

44:58

People don't think they are and the

45:00

truth is they are. Listen, Bill or

45:02

we were faced with something of this.

45:04

In two thousand and twelve, we'd come

45:07

through this horrible financial crisis. the country

45:09

was recovering, unemployment was going down, but

45:11

we understood that we couldn't claim more

45:13

than people were willing to tolerate. In

45:16

fact, as you've got a link up

45:18

with people where they live, everything you

45:20

said is true, You at us has

45:23

everything. Bonuses for Us is doing better

45:25

than other countries. Ah, for sure in

45:27

recovering. From the pandemic we had a

45:29

soft landing ever be. So we're gonna

45:31

have a recession that didn't happen. He

45:34

there's a lot to be proud of

45:36

their but the big but his cost

45:38

of living. Inflation sings. Yes, inflation's coming

45:40

down but stuff is twenty percent. More.

45:43

Costly than it was before the

45:45

recession. And that's how people are

45:47

experiencing the economy through the prism

45:49

of and sloss at the grocery

45:51

store, their rance, mortgages, and the

45:53

problem is that Biden. I'm sorry,

45:55

but he's too feeble to be

45:57

the explainer, and cheese. get

46:00

out there and you know that's why we need

46:02

somebody a little more vibrant. Alright,

46:06

thank you gentlemen. Time for Newell. Newell

46:18

has another billionaire is planning to

46:20

take a two-person submarine to visit the

46:22

Titanic. Okay,

46:28

knock yourself out. Good luck to you, Larry Connor.

46:37

I see you've had some recent dental work,

46:39

so that's

46:41

how we'll identify your body. You

46:50

know, there's got to be an easier way to

46:52

reduce America's income inequality, but hey, if it works,

46:54

it works. Newell

47:02

outraged conservatives upset about Peacock TV's

47:05

new documentary, Queer Planet, about gay

47:07

animals, have to calm the hell

47:09

down. It's

47:12

not like your dog's going to see it and change

47:14

his pronouns. And

47:23

it shouldn't be that surprising lions are gay.

47:25

After all, they do have a Broadway musical.

47:34

And they are called a pride. While

47:42

we're on the subject, Newell, everyone must

47:44

accept the Pope's apology for saying Catholic

47:46

seminaries were already too full of faggotry.

47:49

I mean, it's not like he's infallible. But

48:00

if we do forgive him, then the Pope has

48:02

to tell us, what is the right amount of

48:04

fagotry in the Catholic Church? And

48:14

how do you measure it? Because here in Hollywood, we

48:16

generally use a ruler. So

48:25

now that scientists in Switzerland have developed

48:27

a substance that can prevent alcohol from

48:29

getting you drunk, someone else to explain

48:32

to them that that's the whole point

48:34

of alcohol. Yes,

48:42

I know. It's aged in oaken barrels

48:44

and has notes of cinnamon and orange

48:46

rye. But that's all window dressing for

48:48

the main thing. It gets you fucked

48:50

up. The

48:59

notes, that's the window dressing. Getting fucked

49:01

up, that's the window. You

49:05

know, someone has to tell Bark Air, the

49:07

new airline that allows dogs to fly in

49:09

the main cabin with their owners, OK,

49:11

but not for a red-eye flight. We've

49:16

all been there. You're tired. You just want to

49:18

get some sleep. And the bitch behind you won't

49:21

stop yapping. Yes,

49:29

Bark Airlines, because even creatures that lick

49:31

balls and sniff assholes draw the line

49:34

at flying spirit. And

49:43

finally, New World, if you're out protesting for

49:45

a couple of hours wearing this, you

49:47

have to go all the way and spend an afternoon

49:49

running errands wearing one of these. You

49:54

can't side with the people who ruthlessly oppress

49:56

women without at least getting a taste of

49:59

what you're supporting. Well,

50:10

now that summer is here and

50:12

the Hamas-backing college protesters have dispersed

50:14

back to their summer internships at

50:16

Goldman Sachs, I

50:19

thought it might be a good time

50:21

to say this. I actually admire your

50:23

youthful idealism, and our world would be

50:26

poorer without it. Much like your

50:28

parents who just wasted 300 grand on that

50:30

ignorance factory you call a college. Not

50:39

that I think it's your fault

50:41

being this poorly educated and morally

50:43

confused. That takes a village, shitty

50:45

schools, overindulgent parents, social

50:47

media, that priest who rubbed lotion

50:49

on you. But

50:55

three cheers to you for at least

50:57

having the impulse to seek a cause

50:59

in something bigger than yourself. It's

51:01

just that the one you picked, you missed the

51:04

boat by a fucking mile. But

51:14

here's the good news. You want a cause? Because

51:17

I totally got one for you. Apartheid.

51:19

Yeah, apartheid. The thing you've been

51:21

shouting about with Israel for months,

51:23

never mind that Israeli Arabs are

51:25

actually full citizens. You learned

51:27

that word from a two-chain song and discovered

51:30

that protesting South Africa's apartheid in the

51:32

80s was a righteous cause, and so

51:35

it was. To this day, when

51:37

celebrities are asked who is the person

51:39

they most admire, one name

51:41

is always the safest choice. Nelson

51:44

Mandela. Nelson Mandela. Nelson

51:46

Mandela. Nelson Mandela. Nelson

51:48

Mandela. Nelson Mandela. Nelson Mandela.

51:50

Nelson Mandela. So

52:02

naturally when you heard that Israel was an

52:04

apartheid state, it gave you such a boner

52:06

you literally pitched a tent. You

52:17

knew how wrong it was when tens

52:19

of millions of South Africans had been

52:22

treated like second class citizens just because

52:24

of their race. But here's the thing.

52:26

Today, right now, hundreds of

52:28

millions of women. Or treated worse

52:30

than second class citizens. When

52:33

you mandate that one category of human

52:35

beings don't even have the right to

52:37

show their face, that's apartheid.

52:40

And it goes on in a lot of countries. For

52:49

the last couple of years, women in Iran

52:51

have been saying, take this hijab and shove

52:53

it. Because

52:57

in 2022, a young woman named

53:01

Masa Amini was arrested for

53:03

wearing her mandatory hijab incorrectly

53:06

and then died in police custody. And

53:08

now security forces have killed over 500 people

53:11

protesting her death and

53:13

this obvious human rights violation. How

53:16

about defunding those police? Amnesty

53:26

International says that Iranian authorities

53:28

are waging a war on

53:30

women that subjects them to

53:32

constant surveillance, beatings, sexual violence

53:35

and detention. What P Diddy

53:37

calls a hotel stay. In

53:47

Iran, me too isn't a movement. It's what a

53:49

woman says when another woman says, my life sucks.

54:00

Yasmin Mohammed is a human rights activist

54:02

who got married off to a Muslim

54:04

man with fundamentalist views about women, not

54:07

exactly uncommon in the Muslim world. He

54:10

forced her to wear the niqab all

54:12

the time, including once beating her, because

54:14

she took her job off at home,

54:17

because the apartment had a window through which

54:19

people might see in. And

54:22

this was in Vancouver. Here's

54:24

what Yasmin said about veiling. It

54:27

just suppresses your humanity entirely.

54:30

It's like a portable sensory deprivation

54:32

chamber, and you are no longer

54:34

connected to humanity. You can't see

54:36

properly. You can't hear properly. You

54:38

can't speak properly. People can't see

54:40

you. You can only see them.

54:43

Just little things, passing people on the street

54:45

and just making eye contact and smiling. That's

54:48

gone. You're

54:50

no longer part of this world, and so

54:52

you very quickly just shrivel up into nothing

54:54

under there. And

54:57

that's my answer when someone says Islamophobe.

55:13

Really, feminists? Come on. There's

55:15

got to be a happy medium between a husband making

55:17

his wife wear this and a husband

55:19

making his wife wear this. I

55:30

know 1619 was bad, but

55:32

this is happening right now. Right

55:35

under your nose rings. And

55:39

it's not just the clothes. Fifteen countries

55:41

in the Middle East, including Gaza, have

55:43

laws that require women to obey their

55:45

husbands. Laws. Not

55:48

just Harrison Butker's opinion. And

55:57

those societies also have guardianship laws. which

56:00

means a woman needs permission from her

56:02

husband to work, to travel, to leave

56:04

the house, to go to school, to

56:06

get medical attention. Nothing?

56:14

Honor killings, where women are murdered by

56:17

their own fathers and or brothers, happen

56:19

so frequently they can't even have an

56:21

accurate account of how many. In

56:23

59 countries, there are no

56:26

laws against sexual harassment in

56:28

the workplace, and many have

56:30

no laws against domestic violence

56:32

or spousal rape. 20 countries

56:35

have marry-your-rapist laws. Multiple

56:42

societies have laws about what jobs women

56:44

can and can't do. Make

56:46

a Barbie movie about that. 30 countries...

56:59

... practice female genital mutilation,

57:01

and 650 million

57:04

women alive today were

57:06

married as children. Kids,

57:11

if you really want to change the world

57:13

and not just tie up Monday morning traffic,

57:18

this is the apartheid that

57:20

desperately needs your attention. Gender

57:22

apartheid. Should

57:37

be the social justice issue of

57:39

your time. How about from the

57:41

river to the sea, every woman shall be free.

57:52

But in reality, it's not an issue at

57:54

all, for one reason. The people who are

57:56

doing it aren't white. I hate

57:58

to have to be the one to break it. to you kids,

58:00

but non-white people can do bad things too.

58:10

Now, white-on-black racism

58:12

certainly has been one of history's

58:14

most horrific scourges, but also it's

58:16

true that in today's world, being

58:19

non-white means you can get away

58:21

with murder. So good on

58:23

you kids for following your instinct to

58:25

protest social injustice. Just remember, when it

58:27

comes to finding a cause, pulling

58:29

your head out of your ass is an

58:32

important rite of passage. I'm Bruce Gell, I'll

58:34

be at the North Sea in Minneapolis July

58:36

13th, at Riverside in Milwaukee on the 14th,

58:38

and I want to thank David Axelrod, Ken

58:40

Buck, and John Waters. Now

58:42

go watch Overtime on YouTube. Thank you, folks.

58:46

Catch all new episodes of Realtime with Bill

58:49

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58:51

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58:53

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