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Welcome to reach me A podcast from

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A H B O Latency A Real

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Time with Him. Over

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and over. And over

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there like organizer. For

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times normal, a writer for the

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grocery Workers. for morning ever the

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revelation really role. Here

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the first arose from Paypal. The People:

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Michael Eric Dyson this is for you.

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Your next book is about the right

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to vote. Do you think voter suppression

1:34

will be a factor in the upcoming

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election? Will. Absolutely. Or mean the

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Supreme Court just ruled a couple days

1:40

ago. That. The amount of it

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was Louisiana, the kind of rejigger,

1:45

the map and gerrymander against African

1:47

American interests. Was. Just point

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unconstitutional. So. They're all kinds

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of tricks in the bag. People

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have to continue to stand up. the have to continue

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to call that out. and they have to continue

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to show up the polls and book What

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do you think, what do everybody

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think about the Justice of

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the Supreme Court hanging a

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flag upside down outside

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his house and then blaming it

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on the wife? As

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a person with a

2:21

very opinionated wife, I applaud

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it and I think it's fabulous. They're

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going to

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have the real housewives of the Supreme

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Court soon. They're

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ruling on Trump, the

2:44

January 6th ruling, the big one. So

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that's him and Clarence Thomas, they both have these,

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I mean they're far right

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wing and apparently it's a Lady Macbeth

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situation also. We need one more for

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the wife. But

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it's horrible. I mean you think about these people,

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at least Katanji Jackson Brown had

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the presence of mind and integrity to

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recuse herself on the Harvard case. I

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don't think Clarence Thomas or Samuel Lito

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have any sense of integrity about

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that and that's a shame because the Supreme Court among

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all of us should be looked up

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to as the one last bastion of

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if not objectivity, at least fairness. Clarence

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Thomas' wife was

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actively involved in

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trying to overturn the last election.

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I mean it wasn't just on

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the sidelines. Do

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you get to say, well that's my wife, that's not

3:47

me. I'm not my brother's keeper.

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No, no I think that if

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there were justice they would both,

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both justices would recuse themselves from

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the upcoming decisions. Yeah. Nellie,

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what were your thoughts? The on the walk out

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at Jerry Seinfeld, commencement a Duke University

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right, well, first of all of their

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few facts here, I mean it. A.

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I don't I was like the three people,

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Thirty people, well as many V A was

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But. I. Think a lot of people

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are very uncomfortable with. Comedy.

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Right now. and it's. Hard

4:19

for them. Jerry Seinfeld is someone who makes. Fun of

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a lot of things and who is now? kind. Of

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weighing in on the Israel Gaza

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staff and I'm not surprised. There is

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a walk out. There was a walk I'd

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like feel like with college kids today. If

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there's a couple of thousand and thirty walk

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out. That a huge victory. Yeah. I

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guess I think this is or what I thought. this. Was

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a very serious net or

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is there any relationship between

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and Tisa. And. The Protests

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on college campuses today. I

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never thought about. I think some. Okay

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I'm was a week the of.

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Know, I think C N T. I

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got us ready for the idea that

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there should be a little bit of

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violence in some protests since he's a

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sense it's okay for protests are a

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little scary. On. right? I think at

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the time it was really downplayed that nt for was

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part of anything. That's that violence was ever on the

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table and now. That's. Have been

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downplayed. I mean the protesters or

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chanting anti father revolution? There's only

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one solution. Learn on. Their children. she

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started chanting for violence, the for. What? They're

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pro war protests, but I think that's the

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majority of people they are. I mean, look,

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I'm I'm a professor. The cows camp or

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it's definitely not. The majority is not the

5:31

majority by far. and. Love. You

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gonna always have Among those were righteously

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engaging and protests and protest can never

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be comfortable. That's the whole point. right?

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Martin Luther King Jr. said that he began

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to use and last two years of his

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life or term caught aggressive nonviolence. He's it

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occupies the spaces in Dc you ain't got

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a job come here and protests and source

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so people who think they can juxtapose Martin's

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The King Junior's brands and variety of nonviolent

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protest against was going on. Now I think

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I miss way of how. However, having said

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that, you don't want to have truck with any

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kind of anti-Semitism, anti-Islamic belief,

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anti-Palestinian in terms of as

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human beings. You can have

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principled positions that hold opposition

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to a state without

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demonizing human beings at the same time. And

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then we have to teach young people to

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be able to express their

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protest in a very powerful and

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sometimes subversive fashion, but not

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to the degree, obviously, where

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we begin to endanger other

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people's lives. That

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would be a thing.

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People must knowing

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that they might be held accountable. They

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showed their faces. They were proud to

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stand up for that cause. So I

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do find it a little disturbing

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that so many of the current protesters

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are masking and sort of getting

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very upset when, you know,

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with the idea that they might be

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in any way held accountable. People were

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prepared to be arrested for

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the cause of civil rights. So if you

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really believe in that and you believe in

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protest, then you go all the way. But

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they had a corollary belief. And that

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belief was we're willing to challenge society

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because we believe the moral law is

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above the legal limit. So they had,

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in their sense, the righteousness of God

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and history on their side because what

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the segregationists were doing was wrong and

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they knew it already. So we

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have to grant at least the possibility

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that those who are protesting now believe

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the same thing. But the question is,

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how do we enact that protest? I

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believe in vigorous, subversive protests. I don't

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believe in demonizing other groups. And I

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don't believe in the kind of either

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fast terror where you drop bombs and

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kill people or slow terror where you

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daily deal them deadly destructive practices. We

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have to acknowledge both of that going

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on here and find a way. But

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do you think Hamas needs to be

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eradicated? I don't I'm not. Look,

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I don't believe in any terrorist organization, period.

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Bottom end of the story. But

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I don't equate Palestinians. with

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Hamas any more than I would.

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But they're fighting Hamas. Do you believe that Hamas

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should be a witness? Well, but they're not killing

8:06

Hamas. They're killing them. Oh, yeah, they are. Well,

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I'm saying they're not only killing Hamas. Of course.

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They're killing a lot more people besides. Okay,

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well, my point is... What war did we

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ever have where they were only killing the

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soldiers? None. Well, wait, wait,

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wait. Never happened. Never will happen. All I'm

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saying, Bill, is that if you're

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going to have moral outrage, as you should... The

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evil that was enacted on October 7th is

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undeniable to me, and I don't

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apologize for opposition

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to that. Straightforward, right?

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When I wrote my piece in the New York

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Times about anti-Semitism, deeply entrenched

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in this culture, I believe that. At

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the same time, we can't talk about a

8:45

world in which we can't at least acknowledge

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that the over-response of Israel that many progressive

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Jews and others have said is wrong and

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problematic do you have to be called out?

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That's what I'm talking about. I

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disagree with the premise. Either

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you believe Hamas has got to be wiped out.

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This is a group that, again, has attacked Israel

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five times. Israel gave back that land in 2005.

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Since then they took

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a lot of money from the world that was

9:09

for charity and for their own people. They stole

9:11

it. They used it to build tunnels and

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import bombs and attack Israel five times,

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including that horrible one on October 7th.

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OK, their charter says

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we'd like to wipe these people off the face

9:23

of the earth. They proclaim over and over

9:25

again that they are going to do it. Does

9:28

that group have to be wiped out? And if it

9:30

does, then the idea that you know

9:33

better than the Israeli Defense Force how to accomplish

9:35

that... It's not that I

9:37

know better, but I'm saying, are you saying

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it's justifiable that the 35,000 people

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who have been killed now in response

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to what happened there is

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something that we're willing to live? I'm saying I

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want both evils to be eradicated. I want

9:51

both to be removed. And I don't justify

9:54

assaults upon Jews any more than I justify

9:56

assaults upon... But it's a fake argument, because

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if you think Hamas... has to be, because

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if you think Hamas has to be eliminated,

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then sometimes people are going to die.

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And you can't put a number on it because we don't

10:08

do that with any other war. Bill,

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I don't believe the justification of that

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occurs. And I stand tooth and nail

10:15

against anti-Semitism and the evils divisited upon

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Israel and Jewish people, and we have

10:20

to hold them accountable. Look, if you

10:22

oppose Edi Amin, you're not anti-Black because

10:24

you're calling him into question. Now we

10:27

know a Jewish state is different, we

10:29

know Zionism is different. No, I'm just saying to

10:31

you, if we can't have it

10:33

both ways, it used to be that

10:36

the argument was to Ralph Ellison and

10:38

other figures who were Black James Baldwin,

10:40

you're mistaking Israel with Jews. Now we're

10:42

talking about the collapse of that. We

10:44

must protect to the nth

10:46

degree the ability of people to

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live freely from terror and destroy

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that terror. But the terror is

10:52

operating in multiple forms. Very simple

10:54

solution, stop attacking Israel. One

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of the panel's thoughts on the recent suggestion by

11:08

the founder of dating app Bumble. That

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AI could be used to

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help people find their partners.

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I think I would do great helping somebody

11:19

find their partners. No,

11:23

that's what I love about OverTime.

11:27

There's no rhyme or reason to it. It could

11:29

actually work at

11:31

random. I didn't hear about

11:33

this. Dating app Bumble is doing what? They said

11:35

that AI could be used to help people follow

11:37

course. Isn't it already doing what? I'm surprised, right.

11:39

I figured it already was. I think it's

11:41

a great idea. Let them get rid of,

11:44

do the small talk and then come in

11:46

for the kill. I

11:49

think it's

11:53

a terrible idea. Even the kids are coming

11:55

around to that. I've read that recently that

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they're swiping left on dating.

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from the phone and they finally

12:02

figured it out. You cannot, that's

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not, you can put all your data in there,

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it doesn't matter, you could match perfectly. You have

12:09

to talk to somebody, you have to see them

12:11

in person, you have to smell their breath. Yes.

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I'm not a geneticologist. I'm with you, I'm with you

12:17

on that. I'm also a little bit of a hater.

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All right, well. Thank

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you, we'll see you next week. Catch

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