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was just part of the carnage this

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week on the There's so much to get

2:01

into. There's a lot going

2:03

on. Very short episode. I think it felt very

2:06

short. But at the same time,

2:08

a lot seemed to be packed into that short

2:10

time span. And

2:14

we don't want to lose any time here on the Rebel

2:16

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2:19

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2:21

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2:29

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2:45

We are very, very much appreciated

2:47

of that. So let's get

2:50

into it. If you're new

2:52

to the program and introductions may be

2:54

in order. My name is Jason. And

2:56

with me this week and always my

2:58

good friend and yours from Chicago, Jimmy

3:00

Mack. Hey, Jason. Hey, Star

3:02

Wars fans. Just give me one second. I

3:04

got to scratch out Jedi kebab from my

3:06

notes. That's already been used. Okay. Well,

3:09

that was killer, though. That

3:11

was a great sequence and I really enjoyed it

3:13

very much. So

3:15

I'm really excited to talk about this episode

3:17

of the Acolyte night. You

3:20

know, the day destroys

3:22

the night. Night divides the day. Tried

3:25

to run, tried to hide, break on through to the other

3:27

side. Back to

3:29

you, Jason, for the tale of the thing. You

3:32

know, I don't know what about your hippie music. You're

3:35

at the doors. That was the doors, right? Yeah. No,

3:38

I know about classic, classic rock. But

3:41

if I had been back in that time, I would

3:43

have been totally anti counterculture at the time, you know,

3:45

me and my short hair. But

3:48

anyway, let's get into

3:50

it. Tell the tape. We

3:52

are talking about, of course, season one, episode

3:54

five night following last

3:56

week's episode day written by a

4:00

Cora Adana and Cameron Squires,

4:02

directed by Alex

4:04

Garcia Lopez, and

4:06

fairly short runtime, 28 minutes, 32 seconds, minus

4:09

the 18 minutes of credits. You know,

4:11

when you see that, when

4:14

you hit pause on the episode and you're like,

4:16

oh, we've got so much more left. I'm gonna

4:18

go to the bathroom or get a sandwich. And

4:20

then you go, oh, I forgot, like the last

4:23

third of that scrub bar is

4:25

the damn credits. So,

4:28

that original air date, June 25th, 2024, Jim,

4:32

lots of stuff to unpack this week, but

4:34

I mean, we have to start, I think,

4:37

by talking about the star of the

4:39

show this week. And the star is

4:42

absolutely the saber fights and the force

4:44

food. The fight choreography that we saw

4:46

this week was not

4:49

just good for the acolyte. And a

4:51

lot of people are losing their minds

4:53

about this episode. And I'm

4:55

here to kind of, I don't wanna

4:57

pee in anyone's Cheerios, but this was

4:59

a fantastic episode of the acolyte, but

5:01

I'm hearing some people out there saying,

5:03

this is the best Star Wars since

5:06

the empire strikes back. We've never seen

5:08

lightsaber battles this good. Lightsaber

5:10

battles were very good, probably the best we've

5:12

seen on any Disney live action TV series.

5:15

And I'll be honest, I thought the force

5:17

food as a followup to these lightsabers really

5:20

added to the drama and

5:22

what they were, the feelings

5:24

that they were trying to get these characters to

5:27

convey, the anger,

5:29

the desperation, the fear, all of

5:31

that. Yeah, I agree.

5:34

It was wonderful. I

5:36

mean, I couldn't believe that Disney

5:38

era Star Wars is finally giving

5:40

us some lightsaber duels that we

5:42

can really get behind. The

5:45

episode picks up right from, right

5:47

where episode four left off from

5:50

Osha's perspective. And I

5:52

got to admit, when she came to, it seemed

5:54

kind of quiet. And I

5:57

just had this sense of fear and dread.

6:00

that OSHA awakened and the battle

6:02

was over and we missed it.

6:05

I thought the same thing man.

6:07

I'm like, oh crap. She's

6:09

only going to she's only witnessing the

6:11

aftermath. I thought we were

6:14

going to get some killer Saber action

6:16

or any action, but there

6:18

was a big sigh of relief when seconds

6:20

later, we did get

6:22

some killer Saber dueling hand-to-hand

6:25

combat martial arts. I

6:28

noticed the Jedi don't do as

6:30

much acrobatics as

6:33

they would sometimes do and especially in

6:35

the prequels or Clone Wars series where

6:38

they were leaping around and you

6:40

know, I mean these Jedi should have been jumping

6:42

up into tree branches and run around

6:44

like that. But you know when I think about it, sometimes

6:48

that ruins the action a little

6:50

bit because if the Jedi can

6:53

do all that then there's

6:55

not there's not going to

6:57

be any dueling going on. So I

6:59

prefer the one-on-one stuff

7:02

or the two-on-one what

7:05

have you but yeah at first I thought

7:07

oh no, she's been knocked

7:09

out. We're going to see it through her perspective.

7:11

So we're going to miss everything now, but and

7:14

the first thing she sees did you notice those

7:17

lines in the terrain showing where

7:20

the individual Jedi dragged on

7:22

the ground after Darth

7:25

Kymir tossed them at the end of episode

7:27

four, you know, because that's

7:29

where we left off. There were eight trails

7:31

for the eight Jedi on the mission. It

7:33

was great. Yeah, yeah, no, it was I

7:36

mean the carnage in this episode was was very

7:40

very surprising and

7:43

you know for Star Wars somewhat

7:45

graphic. I mean characters

7:48

dying with their eyes open. That's

7:50

typically something that's for a little

7:52

bit more, you know, adult viewers

7:55

and there's been so much talk myself included

7:57

about this show being sort of a you

8:00

know, young adult

8:02

CW kind of vampire diaries,

8:05

vibey sort of thing. And

8:07

this was really, really intense. But

8:14

what I thought really, really

8:16

worked was that the

8:19

hand-to-hand stuff really

8:21

showed just how desperate

8:24

and frantic the Jedi

8:27

were to put this guy

8:29

away. And they have

8:31

no idea what they're dealing with.

8:33

They're completely baffled. It's kind

8:35

of like, you know, when you read about

8:39

how the way that the old school, like

8:41

British army, they used to fight, they had

8:43

these rules and they had these conventions. You

8:45

would line up and the two sides would

8:47

line up away from each other and they

8:49

would have like almost a synchronized

8:52

shoot off. But then during the American

8:54

Revolution, and you know, we learned how

8:56

the native Americans fought and guerrilla warfare

8:58

and all that. So it's kind of

9:01

like that, like the Jedi are so

9:03

unprepared for this

9:05

type of thing that,

9:09

you know, you can almost see, I

9:11

don't want to jump too far ahead,

9:13

but like Saul is really dealing in

9:15

particular with some absolute rage here because

9:17

of his frustration at not being able

9:19

to dispatch with

9:22

this guy. Yeah, I

9:24

think they all felt that frustration. And

9:27

it immediately gives the Sith the

9:29

upper hand because the

9:31

Jedi have their guard down

9:34

because they believe they're virtually invincible at

9:36

this point. It's kind of arrogant,

9:38

you know? And it's a

9:40

vibe that you can still feel

9:42

among the prequel era Jedi as

9:44

well. Just an

9:46

arrogant vibe. It seems consistent with

9:49

the prequels as far as I'm

9:52

concerned. But you

9:54

know, you talk about the conventional rules of

9:56

battle and stuff. You're even...

10:00

He references that when

10:03

he doesn't

10:06

know what to make of the Sith. He

10:09

says things like, he doesn't follow the

10:11

rules of combat. There's no method. It

10:14

doesn't make sense. So

10:18

yeah, they were confused. And

10:20

it's I think partly because of

10:22

their arrogance or hubris and partly

10:24

because the dark side clouds everything.

10:26

They don't know what to make

10:28

of the Sith. They haven't

10:31

been around someone who masters

10:33

the dark side like a Sith

10:36

Lord does because the Sith

10:38

have been in hiding for decades,

10:40

for centuries. And

10:42

so they're in way over their head

10:44

right now. It seems that that's all

10:47

they really know, Jim, about the Sith

10:49

is when

10:51

Saul says, well, why would you reveal yourself?

10:53

The only thing that they really know is

10:55

that if they are

10:57

still around, they're hiding. That

11:00

seems to be the only thing they know about them. Yeah.

11:04

So, so I'll even mention to Kymir,

11:07

you know, why

11:09

risk revealing yourself? Right, right. So

11:11

I think there's a general knowledge,

11:13

at least among the masters, that

11:16

the Sith are

11:19

still out there, but

11:21

they've been hiding out for so long. Well,

11:24

they've been undetectable, too. They're always

11:26

undetectable. Maybe it's like cryptozoology, you

11:28

know, like if

11:31

I ran into a Bigfoot, I

11:34

would probably say, well,

11:36

why risk revealing yourself in your whole

11:38

species? You've done such a good job.

11:40

So I don't

11:42

know that they necessarily believe that they're

11:44

still out there, but maybe there's a

11:46

thought of if they are still out

11:49

there, they are, they have to stay

11:51

hidden or something. They're

11:53

certainly not unaware of dark force

11:56

using the using the dark side of the force. Obviously,

11:58

we just saw them a couple of days ago. a

12:00

couple episodes ago dealing with the witches. And

12:02

there seems to be, and Khmer even

12:06

refers to this, to this

12:08

is that the Jedi keep

12:10

a very, very strong hold

12:13

on who can use the force, how they can

12:15

wield it, all of that. And he sort of

12:18

gives his Sith manifesto

12:20

where he talks about what does he really want? He

12:25

wants a pupil. He

12:29

wants to be able to wield

12:31

power the way he wants it. The

12:33

freedom to wield my power the way

12:35

I like without having to answer to

12:37

the Jedi like you. I

12:40

want a pupil, an acolyte. So

12:42

essentially what he's saying is I wanna do

12:44

my thing and I also want to be

12:47

able to pass on what I've learned and

12:49

spread this, but you're not going

12:51

to allow me to do that. Now

12:53

his ultimate motives aren't revealed, but

12:56

certainly his desire to be able

12:58

to express himself is

13:02

stated, that's for sure. Yeah,

13:04

he wants to go out there. He wants

13:06

to let his freak flag fly publicly, say

13:08

it loud, say it proud. You

13:11

know, he's just a simple Sith trying to make his

13:13

way through the universe and

13:15

he doesn't wanna be hassled. Could you blame

13:17

him? You know, I think all

13:19

Sith have always kind of felt this way, right? But

13:22

I think Sith have generally

13:24

been more focused on

13:29

destroying the Jedi, not

13:32

trying to like negotiate with them or

13:35

saying, well, you guys have your place in the galaxy

13:37

and I want my place where I can be a

13:39

Sith. I don't think the

13:41

Sith, they're not gonna count out to the Jedi

13:43

in any way, shape or form. No, they're not

13:45

looking for coexistence by any means. Right, that

13:48

might be what they say at first. Yeah,

13:51

of course, of course,

13:53

I guess, you know, when you're suddenly

13:55

revealed. I mean, Khmer

13:58

wasn't prepared to. reveal himself

14:02

to the Sith. I mean, to the

14:04

Jedi, he wasn't prepared to reveal himself

14:06

as a Sith to the Jedi at

14:08

this time. He, he, he did so

14:10

out of necessity because he wasn't expecting

14:13

me to suddenly flip on

14:15

him like she did. But how,

14:17

how committed was she to that

14:19

anyway? Because it sure seems

14:21

like she flips back

14:23

pretty quickly as soon as Jackie

14:26

confronts her. And

14:28

also as soon as she gets

14:30

reunited with Khmer, she's

14:32

apologizing, groveling. Please

14:35

forgive me, I was weak. Maybe

14:37

that's, she truly believes that. Maybe,

14:39

may really did slip up somehow.

14:43

Maybe the proximity of her and

14:45

Osha and both of them rediscovering

14:48

each other. They have been sort of

14:50

communicating with each other through the Force.

14:53

Osha hears that voice of the kid

14:55

May from time to time. So

14:58

there's some Force connection happening there, I

15:00

think. It's interesting that that seems to

15:02

be the only way, if you've noticed

15:05

that how they can communicate is through

15:08

some version of their childhood

15:10

selves. You never really

15:12

see them communicate as adults. So there's

15:15

not through the Force, right? No, through the Force,

15:17

not through the Force. Yeah. Yeah. But

15:20

there's something going on there. And

15:23

maybe it's because prior to their reunion,

15:25

they only knew each other as kids.

15:30

And so from that perspective, the

15:32

Force then takes

15:34

you back somehow. You

15:36

know, it makes it more familiar to you. But

15:40

to when you last had a connection,

15:42

perhaps, she believed to be dead. Like

15:45

something like that. But she does have that

15:47

connection. So I think just the

15:49

proximity of the light within Osha

15:52

has done

15:54

something to brighten

15:56

up the darkness in May. That's

15:59

kind of how I... I always see the

16:01

force working. I always thought like the clone

16:03

troopers. How did they become so like Valiant

16:06

and so just

16:08

like great soldiers and they followed all

16:10

of the Jedi orders until order 66

16:14

What was it that made them really heroes?

16:16

What turned them into individuals? I always thought

16:19

it was the proximity to

16:21

the clones to the Jedi

16:23

generals and that Brought

16:25

out the light side of the force in them. So

16:28

sometimes and even with Vader and Luke

16:32

That reunion that kind

16:34

of brings the light side out of Vader.

16:37

So there's a consistency there I believe the

16:39

problem with that though is that OSHA

16:42

is disconnected from the force No,

16:46

she's not because in the previous episode

16:48

she said she was able to sense

16:51

the bug and the bug's death

16:53

through the force She

16:55

was the sense that so that's that's her

16:57

four skills kind of coming back

16:59

up to the surface Yeah,

17:02

I okay. I've got a simpler

17:04

take on this whole thing with May. I mean Part

17:08

of me thinks that it's it's

17:10

it's it's a little Little cheap

17:12

on there on on the writer side to

17:14

be honest with you I think that there's

17:16

some consistency issues, but it's the Star Wars.

17:18

It's being presented to us So, you know

17:21

the case that I'm gonna make is that?

17:24

May's goal is to reunite

17:26

with her sister. She wants

17:28

family back Whether

17:30

she has to use Khaimir

17:33

whether she has to kill Jedi no

17:35

matter what she needs to do. She's

17:38

not a true believer She

17:40

is not a true believer. So it

17:43

doesn't matter what

17:45

fire she needs to

17:47

walk through she's going to bring her sister back

17:49

and Isn't until

17:52

her sister Totally rejects

17:54

her at the very end of this episode

17:57

Categorically, they've got They

18:00

think that Kaimir is toast, that he

18:02

was taken away by the bugs. And

18:07

all that's really left is for

18:09

them to, in May's mind, is

18:11

for them to just go off into the sunset

18:13

together and be sisters

18:15

like nothing ever happened. She

18:18

gets the family back that she's always wanted. And

18:21

Osha shuts the door right in her face

18:23

and says, no, I'm here to do what I set off

18:25

to do, which is I'm going to arrest

18:27

you and bring you in and

18:30

all this. And I think it's that point where May

18:33

realizes, okay, this

18:37

isn't gonna happen. I'm gonna have to

18:40

eliminate any other

18:43

options that you have. And that includes

18:45

Saul and the, I've got to sever

18:47

every single possible

18:51

thread, to use their own term,

18:53

the witches term, any possible

18:55

thread that you could pull yourself

18:57

out of this. And I'll leave you to, you

18:59

have no choice. You have no

19:01

choice but to be with me. Well,

19:05

she thinks she can cure her sister. She

19:07

thinks that the Jedi have corrupted her and

19:10

she thinks they brainwashed her

19:13

and all of this stuff.

19:15

And we, as an audience, we know that it's not

19:17

true because Osha was clearly

19:19

attracted to the Jedi and didn't want

19:21

to have to stay attached to the

19:24

hip, to her twin forever. She

19:26

saw a life away from the coven. And this

19:28

was when she was eight years old. Nothing's

19:31

changed. She

19:33

wasn't brainwashed. It's just not true.

19:36

Osha showed an immediate fascination with the

19:38

Jedi when they came to Brandeis. And

19:41

that's because Osha equals light side,

19:43

May equals dark side. It's that

19:45

duality. May doesn't understand. She

19:47

thinks there's something wrong with Osha. And

19:50

then Osha says, well, you know, you

19:53

know, I'm going to arrest you. And she kind of puts

19:55

her in a arm lock there

19:57

and says, this is all on you. You

19:59

followed a... false master. Now, what does that

20:01

mean? Does that mean he's a

20:04

false master because he practices the dark side and

20:06

he's a Sith or is

20:09

Osha considering Khaimir to

20:12

be a pretender and the Sith

20:14

don't exist? Are they still? I

20:16

don't think she knows what the Sith are. Maybe

20:19

not. Maybe that's only knowledge for

20:22

the masters. But you

20:24

know, you know, Saul knows what's up there. Even

20:27

though he does seem kind of confused at first

20:29

because he sees the red blade and immediately

20:32

identifies it as a Jedi weapon.

20:35

Mmm. And that's not the case. Everyone

20:38

knows the red saber is a Sith

20:40

saber. So there's a little

20:42

bit of confusion on his part too.

20:45

So yeah, I really would have preferred

20:48

it to be honest

20:50

if when he revealed himself

20:52

to be a Sith and

20:55

he says, you know, he says, what

20:57

are you? He says, I have no name, but

20:59

the Jedi like you might

21:01

call me Sith. Sith

21:06

and I would have preferred it

21:08

if Saul was still confused instead

21:10

of going into the Y-Risk discovery

21:12

because he's showing total ignorance of

21:15

what the Sith are up to that point

21:17

and then even after that point, but he has

21:20

that one moment of well, why was risk discovery?

21:22

So that's why I'm saying like the only thing

21:24

he seems to know is if the Sith do

21:26

exist, they would be living in secret. Yeah.

21:32

But I know you didn't care for that

21:34

line where he reveals

21:36

himself. I don't care the way he delivered

21:38

it the way the actor delivered it Manny.

21:42

Manny Jacinto. He had a lot of great moments

21:44

in this episode, but I just don't I you

21:46

know, the thing that really trips me up is

21:48

this sort of sarcastic glib

21:50

humor. That's just so popular

21:53

in movies and TV and

21:55

there's a time and there's a place for it.

21:57

But like when he says He

22:00

says, Iris Discovery, well, I,

22:02

I did wear a mask.

22:06

Oh, come on. You know, it's, it's just

22:08

winking. It's winking at me.

22:11

It's a little bit. I mean,

22:13

he literally does arch his eyebrow when he says

22:15

it. Right. Right. It's

22:18

just way too. It's just way, it was

22:20

too much. I didn't dislike the line. I

22:22

just disliked the way, the way that he

22:24

delivered it. But he does

22:26

have some really, you know, I

22:28

think great moments he's, he plays a

22:30

good psycho. And that's

22:33

the, that's the issue that we

22:35

have with this guy is I don't think

22:37

that he's any

22:39

kind of great strategist. He

22:42

doesn't seem to me to be any

22:44

kind of, I

22:46

don't know. He's certainly not, I

22:49

wouldn't give him a doctorate in the mythology.

22:52

I think he's a blunt instrument. He's like,

22:54

he's like Darth Maul to me when we

22:56

meet Darth Maul and the Phantom Menace. So

22:59

this guy is definitely not the top of his food

23:01

chain. I don't think. No,

23:03

I don't think he's the master. I

23:05

think he's an apprentice himself and

23:09

he's looking to train his

23:12

own apprentice for the day when he

23:15

eventually turns on his master and kills him.

23:18

So that's how, that's how it works with the

23:20

Sith. Darth Khaimir.

23:23

Nobody calls him Darth Khaimir, but me. Lucasfilm

23:26

wants us to call him the stranger.

23:29

Yeah. Come on guys. The

23:32

stranger really. I'm better with

23:34

calling him Darth Khaimir, quite honestly. He

23:37

hasn't been. Find out his Darth name.

23:39

At some point we'll find out what

23:41

it is. I think it's important. We

23:44

don't identify him as Darth Khaimir quite

23:46

yet because the possibility

23:48

that he is a pretender still

23:51

does exist in my book. In

23:55

my book, he might still be a

23:57

pretender. I don't know. What

23:59

do you think? convinced? I'm fully convinced. I just

24:01

don't see them go on that route because then

24:03

you're going to have to establish a

24:05

real Sith and then you're going to have to see the difference

24:08

between the pretender Sith and the, and

24:10

the, and the real Sith. And we only

24:12

have three more episodes to go. So I

24:14

don't, I don't think he's going to go

24:16

there, but I don't think he's going

24:18

to be Darth Kaimir either any more than a

24:20

Duke who was, he wasn't Darth Dooku. He was

24:22

a Darth Taranis. So he's going to have one

24:25

of those, I think, Sithi names.

24:28

Yeah. Although I do like Darth Kaimir. Because

24:30

it's, you know, it's like baby Yoda. It's

24:33

our, it's, it's our own. What

24:35

else we can call it at this point. As

24:37

I was watching it, I was a little

24:40

puzzled at first. What was shorting out the

24:42

lightsabers? Why weren't they working?

24:45

And it has been confirmed on

24:47

starwars.com that Kaimir's gauntlet

24:49

and helmet were made

24:52

of cortosis, which

24:54

is an alloy that was originally

24:57

introduced in the expanded universe back

24:59

in the day. And dark side

25:01

users or enemies of the Jedi could create

25:03

armor or weapons

25:09

out of it. And it has

25:11

the ability to not only absorb

25:13

the energy of a lightsaber without it getting

25:17

sliced or anything, but it also

25:19

has the ability to short out the lightsaber.

25:23

So it's a metal kind of like Baskar, but maybe

25:25

not as, as durable or

25:27

as strong as Baskar, but it's,

25:30

it has this energy sucking ability

25:32

and it makes the lightsaber short

25:35

out. By

25:38

the way, if you end up with cortosis, you can

25:40

take some penicillin and it knocks it out in about

25:42

three days. I have a

25:44

really bad case of cortosis though. But

25:48

this is pretty damn valuable because as

25:50

you say, Jim, not only does it

25:53

deflect the energy, it absorbs

25:55

the energy, but it's implied

25:57

that it also stops the Jedi.

26:00

from utilizing their Jedi mind

26:02

tricks on. OK,

26:04

everyone's new to me where if you wear

26:06

a helmet made out of it, the

26:08

Jedi can't get in your head. So

26:11

that's that to me is a new

26:14

element, a new twist to

26:16

the cortosis. But, you know, it's

26:18

it's almost like a kryptonite for

26:20

the Jedi, I guess, that

26:23

limits their abilities to use it. It doesn't actually

26:25

make them weaker. Well, I guess it does if

26:28

it shorts out their lightsabers. Yeah,

26:31

that's a pretty important element of being

26:33

a Jedi and being able to protect

26:35

yourself and defend yourself as a Jedi.

26:37

You need that lightsaber charged up. All

26:40

the bars need to be lit up on the

26:42

light. They were at all times. It is your

26:44

life. Yeah, I

26:46

wasn't wild about the about

26:49

how this somehow blocks the

26:51

Jedi mind trick. That

26:54

was something I could have possibly done without

26:56

it. And they wouldn't have necessarily needed to

26:58

make it a mechanical thing. You

27:00

know, it could be just something

27:03

that he's learned to do. You know,

27:05

your Jedi tricks don't work on me.

27:09

Right. But

27:11

then later you speaking of, you know,

27:13

being in someone's head. This

27:15

is where I'm what I'm

27:17

really curious where this is going.

27:19

When May says to Yord,

27:22

because, as you were mentioned

27:24

earlier, Jim, Yord is totally baffled by

27:26

this thing. Doesn't know what it is.

27:29

It makes no sense. And he says he gets into

27:31

your head and he stays there. May says, Oh, she

27:34

says, my mother could do that.

27:36

Get inside a Jedi. I saw

27:38

it once. So now all of

27:40

a sudden, they're drawing parallels between

27:42

Darth Khaimir and mother Anasaya. And

27:45

I'm asking myself, are we building up to

27:47

an I am your father? Girls

27:49

kind of moment here. Could Khaimir

27:51

be the. If

27:55

not the physical father, the spiritual

27:58

father. And

28:01

that's that one. I mean, I

28:05

know he looks to be about the same age as

28:07

them, maybe a little older and doesn't look old enough

28:09

to be their father, but you never know with Star

28:11

Wars. Yeah, but he'd be like 15 years

28:14

old or something. I mean, just

28:16

based on the actor's age, I think the actor is

28:18

like 30 years old. Yeah. And

28:21

so, I mean, if this happened 16 years

28:23

ago that I don't, I don't see that really

28:25

working. But,

28:27

you know, and I don't want

28:29

to start talking about the age

28:31

of characters anymore after that kiai-mundi

28:33

shit show from last week. Okay.

28:37

God, can the fan base

28:39

embarrass themselves more by obsessing

28:41

over kiai-mundi's birthday? Get a

28:44

life. We're seeing here the

28:46

actor is 38. Thank you very much. Oh,

28:49

he's 38. Oh, probably chaos on the

28:51

chat. Now he's old enough. Now

28:53

he's old enough. So he

28:55

and mother Anisaya, you know, they could have

28:59

had a little one nighter. I

29:01

don't know. I don't know how long it takes

29:04

to do what they did. No, I'm sure that

29:06

it's much more of a spiritual than a physical

29:09

thing, but I don't know. Maybe.

29:12

Or it gets inside your head. You know, it

29:14

could, his master could be the

29:16

impetus. Let's say not father, let's

29:18

say the impetus, the co-creator of

29:21

the twins along with mother Anisaya, because

29:24

I think it's pretty well assumed

29:27

that she had some help in

29:29

learning how to do that. He

29:31

gets inside your head and sometimes

29:34

he gets inside other orifices. Gets

29:36

everywhere. So when

29:38

he said that, though, I was thinking like,

29:40

well, Freddy Krueger vibes, you know, he's in

29:42

your head, you know, but they

29:44

don't like how Freddie used to populate

29:47

their nightmares and stuff. Right. Um,

29:50

Osha says my mother could do it.

29:52

I saw her do it. She's talking

29:55

about Torbin in episode three, obviously. Right.

29:57

But to me, this is affirmation. confirmation,

30:00

let me say confirmation, the

30:02

witches are using

30:04

the force by tapping into the dark side

30:07

because if getting inside your

30:10

head is a trick that Kymeir is doing self

30:13

proclaim Sith Kymeir,

30:16

then it's obviously

30:18

a dark side way of tapping

30:21

into the force. Sure.

30:23

And and so an unnatural

30:25

usage of the force as

30:27

the Jedi would be concerned.

30:29

And so and

30:31

again Yord, he just

30:33

can't figure it out because the dark side clouds

30:35

everything, you know, you know, Yord, I

30:38

gotta tell you his death really

30:40

surprised me because and to

30:42

be, you know, towards the beginning, he's

30:45

running with OSHA. By the way, I

30:47

like how they sort

30:50

of established that the Jedi have these sort

30:52

of they call

30:54

these plays, you know, like in the field

30:56

civilian to the ship. Yes, sir. Civilian to

30:58

the ship. You know, this is like it's

31:00

this sort of shorthand. They're

31:02

so regimented. So Yord is off

31:04

trying to get OSHA

31:06

to safety to protection because she's wearing

31:08

the civilian robes. So she can't we

31:11

don't want to lose the civilian in

31:13

battle and she says, oh,

31:15

you know, you're injured and he's like, oh,

31:17

I'm fine and I'm like,

31:19

okay. Well, that eliminates him because they're just

31:21

saying he's injured very rarely. Do you see

31:24

a character get injured go back

31:26

to the scene of where they were injured

31:28

and then get killed? I mean, it was

31:31

they really did have me have me

31:33

guessing. I did not think that we were going to

31:35

lose. You know, when we lose the two red shirt,

31:37

Jedi's at the beginning of the three Jedi, I thought,

31:40

okay, that's fine. We don't really know

31:42

who they are. But man, did things

31:44

get real once Jackie

31:47

and and and Yord went down.

31:49

I thought, okay, well now now

31:52

every anybody is is is a

31:54

potential victim. Yeah, this guy

31:57

it sure seem like that these were characters that

31:59

were. getting built up, you know, foundations

32:02

were being established for them. And

32:05

that's because I thought these were characters

32:07

that were going to carry on through

32:09

the story and we'd really get to

32:11

know them. Little did we know they

32:14

were being built up only to be knocked

32:16

down. And,

32:19

and that's what makes their death significant is

32:21

because we spent a little time with these

32:23

guys and kind of got to know them.

32:26

I was very surprised at both of them. Now

32:29

with Jackie, one

32:31

saber gut. Okay. They can

32:33

survive that one saber slice to the

32:35

gut. They can survive that, but

32:38

three of them. Oh,

32:40

wow. That was pretty impressive. Uh, you know, it

32:43

was, it was the power of three.

32:49

Her back looked like a sight

32:51

of dice or a, or a

32:54

domino. It looked

32:56

like a baseball diamond minus home plate.

32:58

Yeah. Somebody rolled a three. Uh,

33:01

when it comes back, look like the three eyed

33:03

fish from the Simpsons. Boom,

33:05

boom, boom. I don't think

33:07

she's coming back from that. No, it's

33:10

been very frustrating to watch characters get

33:13

stabbed with lightsabers and just like, Oh

33:15

yeah. Well, we'll put some salve on

33:17

it and we'll be fine. No, it's

33:20

that diminishes the power of the

33:23

saber, which is the most significant

33:26

device used by star Wars characters.

33:29

It's the lightsaber. And,

33:31

um, I've just hated how

33:34

the Obi-Wan series and the Ahsoka

33:36

series kind of scoffed

33:39

at its ability to be

33:42

deadly. And,

33:44

uh, you don't want that

33:46

you want the saber to connect and

33:48

you want it to, to, to bring

33:50

instant death. And that's what happened. Well, she

33:52

had coming back. Yes.

33:54

If, if acolyte does nothing else, it is

33:57

brought a consequence.

33:59

consequences back to Star Wars.

34:02

It has brought high stakes

34:04

and consequences. And so I

34:06

got to hand it to him. This was this.

34:10

This took guts, I thought, and

34:13

this build these guys guts and

34:15

a neck snap like with your

34:18

that was brutal. That was

34:20

one of the more brutal things we've ever seen

34:22

in Star Wars. Yeah.

34:24

Come here, snapping your neck. And it

34:26

was also satisfying because I wasn't a

34:29

fan of your. I thought he was

34:31

a douche, but it

34:34

was says that this is the episode, Jim, for

34:36

all the haters to watch, because even if you

34:38

hate the show, you can take

34:40

some sort of comfort and satisfaction. The

34:42

fact that you get to see them

34:44

all killed. So if

34:46

Jackie's not your thing, well, there you

34:48

go. You're not your thing. There you

34:50

go. You can have some fun with

34:52

that, especially since the actor Charlie Burnett,

34:55

when he was on his media junkets

34:59

to promote the acolyte multiple

35:01

times, he claimed Anakin destroyed

35:03

the Death Star multiple

35:06

times, not just once. Really?

35:09

And I saw the one I didn't know he

35:11

kept. He did a few times, but

35:13

you can't look and see the Anakin blowing up the Death

35:15

Star possibly killed millions and millions

35:18

of people. Well, Anakin just

35:20

killed a whole Death Star. How many people

35:22

died on that? And

35:24

he did it to make that lame

35:26

argument, like, what about the innocent people

35:28

on the Death Star? Come on, you

35:31

know, that's from Clerks. Right. Right. Let's

35:33

just leave it there. OK, these

35:35

people were all agents of evil. I don't there

35:38

were no innocents on the Death Star. I

35:40

don't care what you say. You know, like,

35:42

what about the plumbers? There were no plumbers. It was

35:45

all droids doing all that stuff. Now,

35:47

these guys were soldiers and

35:49

they were enlisted in a civil. They don't

35:51

even let human beings do space walks.

35:53

They have to have to have a legal

35:56

mechnecks. So they're going to have

35:58

droids doing all that stuff. The

36:00

death of your quality kill let's just

36:03

say they were yeah wild kills both

36:06

both Jackie and your I

36:09

believe the body count was seven

36:11

for Darth

36:13

Khmer in this episode Seven

36:16

well, we see the head of the one

36:18

the one guy now we see the Jedi

36:20

kebab. There's your three we got

36:22

Jackie We got your there's five. I'm missing

36:24

two more. Well, there. Yeah, there are a

36:26

couple naka. We gonna count kill Naka Well,

36:29

no, no that was last episode So

36:32

but I was still smelling the burnt hair this

36:35

week. Yeah. Yeah, once it gets

36:37

in your nose You can't get it out. But

36:39

no there were five nameless Jedi at the beginning

36:42

He was slicing through his way around

36:45

in the forest Of

36:47

course the Jedi kebab was the most spectacular And

36:52

then later Yord and Jackie really the

36:54

only Jedi who survived this mission was

36:56

master Saul and

36:59

Yes, you know his story complicated

37:04

Yeah, right. I mean there's something

37:06

I know that shady Saul. I've got it in

37:08

my notes for this week I wanted to throw

37:10

it at you because He

37:14

you know here there's shades of him

37:16

knowing something and then he doesn't and

37:18

he still hasn't come clean with exactly

37:20

what Happened on

37:22

Brenda Khmer seems to know in

37:25

fact, he throws shade at Saul By

37:29

by saying when Saul says what

37:31

master hides his face from his pupil He says

37:34

you tell me right and

37:36

then he starts teasing OSHA with oh, he didn't

37:38

tell you he didn't tell you All

37:42

in Khmer clearly have a history at

37:45

the very beginning Khmer says you don't remember

37:47

me Right makes me

37:49

wonder if Khmer was a former

37:52

padawan of Saul's Or

37:56

if you want to go in the other direction,

37:58

it's real fishy that a

38:00

Jedi master would have had

38:02

any interaction with a Sith.

38:06

And Kymir is a Sith. So why

38:08

would they have a relationship? Well,

38:11

why did your look at Kymir

38:13

and say you? You're

38:16

also recognized him. They met

38:18

each other in the second episode when the

38:20

Jedi went to. Oh, damn it. Damn it.

38:22

Damn it. Yes, yes, yes,

38:25

that's right. So he had seen his

38:27

face. OK. All right,

38:30

better scratch that one off. Oh, that

38:32

went off. OK, well, we're back to

38:34

Shady Saw. She's well,

38:36

he's shady. All right. I mean,

38:38

there's foreshadowing galore that

38:41

there's going to be an eventual reveal of

38:43

what is Saul guilty

38:46

for. What is the monkey

38:49

on his back? What did he do?

38:52

Who was it? Justin Brandach? Or

38:55

does he have a whole history of bad news?

38:58

He was just about ready to reveal some

39:00

information. Those OSHA when may

39:02

stunned him. And

39:05

that was disappointing because I thought the guy was

39:07

just he was going to spell he was going

39:09

to spill it all right there. And then he's

39:12

going to eventually end up telling me in

39:16

the next episode what actually happened.

39:18

And that's where we'll have our

39:20

flashback. The next

39:22

episode is directed by the same guy

39:24

who did episode three. This

39:26

guy named. Kogan,

39:29

Nada, Kogan, Nada. That's

39:32

his that's his name, just Kogan. And he's like,

39:34

Cher, you just call him Kogan, Nada.

39:37

And he's directing

39:39

episode seven. So that's why

39:41

I believe that. So

39:43

he directed all those sequence, all

39:45

the sequences from the. Yes,

39:48

the flashback sequences, all that stuff. Yes. So

39:50

that would make sense that he would have

39:52

both of those episodes. So these directors are

39:55

kind of directing arcs

39:57

or or or. major

40:00

plot points or something like that. Well,

40:02

Entertainment Weekly flat out ass headlin. If

40:06

that means since it's the same director, are

40:08

we going back to Brenda? And

40:11

she just said you'll have to watch to

40:13

find out. Yeah, that's that's what they're doing.

40:15

Now, Steve Perkins says, well, didn't saw meet

40:17

Khmer in the Apothecary just a few episodes

40:19

back? Yes, he did. Yes.

40:22

But that's there's something

40:24

deeper because he says,

40:28

I guess his master saw,

40:30

he says, who are you? You don't remember

40:32

me. And he says, I

40:35

sent something familiar. So that that.

40:38

Points to something deeper, not just the

40:41

connection or the recognition that you had with him

40:43

that I was reading too much into because you

40:46

are is also someone that ran into

40:48

him. So they're they're definitely pointing at

40:51

something that's much more

40:53

profound than. Oh, yeah, you were the rat

40:55

in the in the drug store.

40:58

Yeah. Yeah. Or

41:00

maybe that is what they mean. You

41:03

don't remember me. I don't know. Yeah. You don't remember.

41:05

We just met two episodes ago. What's going on with

41:08

what's wrong with you? But he says, you

41:11

know, I sent something familiar. Yes.

41:15

Yes. He feels the dark side

41:17

in Saul. I

41:20

think there's something that

41:22

Saul is. Or

41:24

soul. What do you say? Soul or

41:26

Saul? I say Saul Saul.

41:28

Like better call Saul the jet.

41:31

OK, good. I'm the Jedi years. So

41:35

there's I just felt like when they

41:37

first initiated the hand to hand combat

41:40

in the second duel, Kymer

41:43

smiles. And,

41:46

you know, it's like he's feeling the dark

41:48

side coming off of Saul.

41:50

Oh, very much so. Yeah.

41:52

Very. But then he stops smiling. I

41:54

mean, Saul actually does defeat Kymer. But

41:58

Osho stops him. from killing

42:00

him, you know. She

42:03

shouldn't have. She made

42:05

a big mistake. She does.

42:07

He's too dangerous to be kept alive.

42:10

But she's steeped in the dark side and she

42:12

that's how she reacts toward. Violence

42:16

or harming because, you know,

42:18

you look back when her sister, May,

42:20

was torturing the the butterfly

42:22

in episode three. I don't know. It looked

42:24

like she looked like OSHA was doing that

42:26

right before May showed up, so I didn't

42:28

get that part. But in

42:30

episode three, with all these rules

42:34

and Kimeer talks about the

42:36

rules. He's

42:39

he's he's even says he goes, I don't make

42:41

the rules. The the jet I do.

42:45

I have to live in secret. I have

42:47

to keep my face covered. And

42:49

now that my face has been revealed, I

42:51

have to kill all of you. You can't

42:53

hold me accountable for that. These are your

42:56

rules. This is your galaxy that you are

42:58

running. It's pretty sick and twisted. The

43:02

jet, I say I can't exist. They

43:05

see my face. They all die. Yeah,

43:09

that's how it works. But

43:11

again, he thinks, you know. He's

43:14

just responding to the way they respond to

43:16

him. So yes,

43:20

yeah. Act in reaction and another

43:24

way of looking at it is that this guy

43:26

is just

43:29

blindly killing Jedi and fits

43:31

of rage, but he's doing it with a

43:34

purpose. So the Sith remain

43:36

underground and off the radar

43:39

so they can continue their rule of two and

43:44

work their way toward galactic domination. Yeah,

43:48

well, I think

43:50

that he has. I

43:52

don't know if he's always felt this way or

43:54

if this is just something that is sort

43:56

of recently have become an option or

43:58

a possibility. for him, which is. I

44:03

think he thinks he's going to walk away with one of

44:05

these twins as his apprentice. I think he's open to the

44:07

idea that it could be either one. Yeah.

44:10

So and I don't think he really has a

44:12

preference, which way it goes, because he's keeping them

44:15

both on the board. And

44:17

but I agree with you. You said earlier

44:19

about he wasn't prepared or he didn't want

44:21

to reveal himself.

44:24

He only had to because she

44:26

went AWOL on it. He

44:29

had to get me had to he had to bring

44:31

her in. He's put a lot of time into her.

44:34

And so he was able to sort of.

44:38

Tutor her, teach her and

44:40

wipe out Jedi in the process. It was a great deal

44:42

for him. He got to kill

44:44

Jedi by extension through her, and he was

44:47

training her to be his his acolyte.

44:50

So when she left the

44:52

whole the whole plan

44:54

got upended. And then he had to, I think,

44:58

at least accelerate what might have

45:00

happened eventually. But and then

45:02

that's why he has to to kill everybody. So

45:04

he's got to loose end. He's got to loose

45:06

ends at the at the end of this episode.

45:11

And he's got Saul and who he thinks

45:13

is OSHA going off

45:15

of Saul. We now we know it's really made. They

45:17

do the whole, you know, twin. Um,

45:21

the switcheroo with the twins, people are calling it

45:23

the current trap. Yeah, it is a trope. It's

45:25

been done in all kinds of movies

45:28

and things like that. So,

45:31

you know, Star Wars has borrowed from things before

45:33

in the past. So I don't see that this

45:35

is any great crime, any great sin

45:38

against humanity that they have their own sort

45:40

of twin switcheroo. But

45:43

I do I do question the

45:46

Jedi and in this case,

45:48

the Sith's inability to sense

45:52

who is who, although we

45:54

don't know, maybe they do sense. Maybe

45:56

Kaimir knows exactly who that is and

45:59

maybe Saul. does as well. I'm

46:02

fully convinced that

46:04

Khaimir knows that

46:06

he has OSHA. I'm

46:09

fully convinced of that. He immediately

46:11

was able to see

46:15

through her BS when she

46:17

first went to the apothecary

46:19

and was impersonating May. Within

46:22

seconds he figured that out. Plus,

46:24

OSHA also has that tattoo, which

46:27

is a huge way to tell the difference between the

46:29

two of them. I

46:32

don't think that earlier

46:34

in the season, I think it was

46:37

episode one or two even, when Saul

46:39

saw that tattoo on OSHA, it serves

46:41

a purpose. I forgot about

46:44

the tattoo. Yes. And

46:46

there's also a moment. Yeah. So he

46:48

rolls her over. He sees the tattoo.

46:51

I've got the screen capture up here on the screen.

46:54

So that was certainly not a coincidence.

46:57

And then he also, oh, we don't want to see

46:59

you. I thought I had the screen

47:01

capture when he heals her wound, by the way,

47:03

he does a little force. He does heal her. I

47:06

wasn't really certain about the,

47:09

he was using that force healing

47:11

ability, but I

47:13

sort of felt like he was, but

47:15

I couldn't confirm it with myself. So,

47:18

um, you know, I was surprised about,

47:21

oh, go ahead. Oh, no, you go ahead. Well, I

47:23

was going to say what I was surprised about in this, in this

47:25

shot, it's so damn

47:27

close to Palpatine leaning

47:30

over Anakin and old Ben leaning over

47:32

Luke. All he'd have to have done

47:34

is just put his hand on the

47:36

forehead. I'm so shocked that

47:38

they didn't go that little extra step, but I

47:40

do think that's what they were sort of, um,

47:43

hinting at here. I think they were sort

47:45

of evoking that, that, that scene. Oh,

47:47

there were a few shots that reminded me of

47:50

things we've seen previously in star Wars. Just prior

47:52

to this, the scene opened up

47:54

only on Kymir's feet. As

47:57

he was walking through the carnage on the

47:59

battlefield. to retrieve his

48:01

helmet and his cloak. And as it just

48:03

showed his feet, it reminded me of the

48:05

end of Return of the Jedi when

48:08

Luke is walking toward the funeral

48:10

pyre for Vader. It

48:13

just seemed like a similar shot. I

48:15

am fully convinced that Kaimir knows

48:19

he has OSHA. He

48:22

found OSHA there. I'm fully convinced of

48:24

that. Now, on the other side of the

48:26

coin, how is

48:28

Saul being fooled by

48:31

May impersonating OSHA? I

48:36

think that's easy. Number one, guy's

48:39

battle fatigued. He's just been

48:41

through a lot. Right. And

48:43

he's lost two of the people very

48:45

close to him, Jackie and Yord. And

48:49

we all know that it takes a certain

48:51

amount of energy to exert your connection to

48:53

the Force. So he's pooped.

48:56

But also, again, I said it

48:58

earlier in the episode, the dark

49:00

side clouds everything. That is Star

49:02

Wars 101. Yoda

49:05

said it. Mace Windu said our ability

49:07

to use the Force is diminished. And

49:09

that's all because of the growing dark

49:11

side power. And when the

49:13

dark side is in play, the

49:15

Jedi are not fully working

49:18

with everything, everything

49:21

they normally have at their disposal. The

49:24

dark side clouds everything. Nuff

49:26

said Star Wars 101. Palpatine

49:29

in the prequel era

49:31

was working alongside not

49:33

just any Jedi, but the Jedi

49:36

Council, the most powerful masters of

49:38

that era, were working alongside

49:40

a Sith Lord for more than

49:42

a decade. The dark side clouds

49:44

everything. Nuff said. Yeah.

49:48

By the way, if you're wondering who's figured all

49:50

of this out and

49:52

the real genius of this series, it's this guy

49:54

right here. It's Basil. Basil knows everything.

49:57

Basil was, he was

49:59

following the action. He

50:01

knows that they did a switcheroo. He

50:03

rescued, what is it? Pip, the

50:05

little droid of Oceus. And

50:10

he's bringing it to the ship. Now, my

50:12

theory is that Pip is the

50:14

one that might blow the whistle on May,

50:17

not being who she pretends to be.

50:21

Because there's got to be a reason

50:23

why Pip survived after being pulled

50:26

up into the air, into the trees

50:29

with old Khaimir and thought

50:31

that Pip might've been moth food. But,

50:34

and to go through and have

50:37

Basil find Pip and then

50:39

follow May and Saul. And

50:43

so I actually think that Pip is going to

50:45

be the one that's going to start literally

50:48

blowing the whistle on Ocea. And

50:51

then it's going to be revealed, but that Saul

50:53

knew that it was her all along. I don't

50:56

for a second think that Saul doesn't know. Profit

50:59

or loser, Jason Swann. Profit

51:01

or loser, but that's your take. I

51:04

thought it was just so, such

51:06

a cringy moment when

51:08

she takes that little flashlight and

51:11

goes, I love you Pip. And

51:13

it puts it on the back. That was so stupid.

51:17

That was just, oh God, what a

51:19

bad piece of dialogue. I

51:21

largely think the writing on this show is pretty

51:23

damn good. But some of the

51:25

dialogue is, the story's great,

51:28

but yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, the

51:30

way it's all plotted out, it's real

51:32

solid, but there are occasional moments with

51:34

the dialogue when it's just like,

51:37

wow, you know, who wrote this? George Lucas? But

51:43

Pip, and then of course, Basil,

51:45

he's still being referred to as

51:47

a Jedi on the descriptive audio

51:49

track. Oh, somebody better tell them.

51:51

When he came on screen, the

51:54

narrator said, the short otter-like

51:56

Jedi runs through the forest. It's

51:59

like, well, wait. a second now, you know,

52:02

got some civilian robes for a reason.

52:04

And last week I said, I

52:07

guess it was kind of being played up as a

52:09

joke about the civilian robes. I

52:11

said the joke was ineffective, but the

52:13

introduction of the civilian robes is

52:16

interesting. It's led to a

52:18

payoff with May then

52:21

taking it and putting on those

52:24

civilian robes. So you you

52:26

see where, you know, that's become her

52:29

disguise. Right. So, I

52:31

mean, I guess she could have done it with any clothes

52:33

that OSHA was

52:35

wearing, but the civilian robes, I

52:37

don't know. If you were wondering if lightsabers

52:40

are accurate enough to cut your

52:42

hair, turns out they are. Oh, yeah,

52:46

they are. So very, very

52:49

effective. You know, who says

52:51

you can't get a quality do. I

52:53

wonder if that's how they cut hair

52:56

at Kessel Run. Our friends at Kessel

52:58

Run care in action figures. I'm

53:00

going to take the acolytes. That's

53:03

what you order up there. I

53:07

think the thing about the the twin

53:09

swamp that bugged

53:12

me a little bit was that

53:14

I knew it was coming. It was just a matter

53:16

of time. And they already

53:18

sort of did it. They dipped their toes

53:20

in the water there with with chimer. So

53:24

it's just that's another

53:26

reason why I don't believe for a second that

53:28

Saul would fall for this. I'm going to lose

53:31

so much respect for him battle weary or not.

53:33

I'm going to lose so much respect for him.

53:35

But I get what you're saying about the shroud

53:37

of the dark side falling and all of that.

53:39

That, you know, yes, yes.

53:43

All of those. That sounds like such

53:45

a baloney answer, though. The dark side

53:47

clouds everything, you know, that works. It

53:52

works within the lore. Yeah. Domino's

53:54

fall in the proper direction. When

53:56

you when you do things like

53:58

quoting Jedi like. makes window in

54:01

Yoda. So right,

54:03

right, right, right, right.

54:05

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55:04

Brendan says, Chut, Chut, fellas, lightsaber

55:06

action was really good. The

55:08

brutal nature was next level. I don't

55:10

think the House of Mouse, I

55:12

didn't think the House of Mouse had that in them. Wow.

55:16

Oh, yeah. I mean, I agree.

55:19

I it was definitely more intense than I

55:21

thought they were going to go. And

55:24

and I'm not one of those that says I

55:26

need Star Wars to grow up with me. I need

55:28

Star Wars to be brutal and I need Star Wars

55:30

to be. I don't demand that sort

55:32

of thing. I do think that you have to

55:34

have consequences. Ben Kenobi dying

55:36

was a huge, huge consequence.

55:39

I mean, it was a

55:42

relatively a last minute decision. Turned

55:45

out to be a great decision, but even

55:47

the actor didn't want that to happen. Allie

55:49

Guinness was kind of peeved about that.

55:53

Killing off Yoda. Now

55:55

he didn't die in battle, but it certainly

55:58

led to the. the feeling

56:00

of abandonment and loneliness that Luke had. And

56:02

he was really going into this thing at

56:04

the end of the third movie all by

56:06

himself. Um, so

56:08

it's, it's always had, had, there's always been,

56:11

I think high stakes and consequences. My God,

56:13

they killed an entire planets. Um,

56:17

so that's what I've been looking for. The

56:19

fact that they did it in kind of a brutal

56:21

manner. I don't know. I see Blake is on the

56:23

line. So we'll have to talk to him and see

56:25

if he's had, had nightmares last night after seeing this.

56:28

Um, you mentioned Jim Freddy

56:30

Krueger. I was getting Michael Myers

56:32

vibes from, uh, and,

56:34

and, and, and Michael Myers. And then what's

56:37

the, uh, what's the character

56:39

from scream? Uh, ghost

56:41

face, ghost face. Yeah. Uh,

56:44

there was a moment and I used it for our

56:46

thumbnail that, uh,

56:48

cause in, in the original Halloween movie, there's

56:50

a, there's a scene where he after he

56:52

kills the one guy and Meyer steps a

56:55

few, a couple of steps back and he

56:57

does that dog tilt, you

56:59

know, or the head sort of tilts. And,

57:01

uh, we see Kymer

57:04

doing this, doing the same thing.

57:06

It's a very creepy, eerie, um,

57:10

you know, that head tilt, but so

57:12

yeah, I see definitely horror elements. Yeah. Yeah. I

57:15

get it. I get the only, I there's nothing

57:18

about the physicality or the approach to

57:21

the character that makes me connect with

57:23

Freddy Krueger. It was just that one

57:25

line in specific, he gets inside your

57:27

head and stays there. Oh yeah.

57:30

Yeah. Yeah. But they weren't

57:32

definitely going for like some kind

57:34

of horror jump scares. Oh

57:36

yeah. More so than, uh, you

57:38

know, uh, anything in, in star wars, really.

57:41

I can't soundtrack from Michael

57:43

Abel certainly fuels that as well.

57:45

Very much so. Yeah. What

57:47

a great soundtrack. They released the

57:50

complete soundtracks for episodes one

57:52

through four. You can

57:54

stream it now. It's good stuff. It is

57:57

good stuff. Here's Chris

57:59

have Chris says great. episode RFR number

58:01

one and how awesome is Saul? I

58:04

don't know. I think so. You don't

58:07

know. Well, you know what? The

58:09

action sequences he was involved in

58:11

were top notch. Oh, yeah. No

58:13

question. Good martial

58:16

arts, good dueling, good usage of

58:18

the force all around. And

58:21

he saved the day in a few cases.

58:24

Didn't he? Wasn't

58:26

he the one who jumped in right when when

58:30

Khaimir was going to deliver a death blow

58:32

to maybe was Jackie.

58:35

Or maybe it was me. It was me. It was

58:38

me. He was going to

58:40

kill me. No, it was it was when

58:42

OSHA was running away from him and he

58:44

threw the lightsaber through the through the forest.

58:46

Yeah. Yeah. That was one also. That was

58:48

when he. Yeah,

58:50

he jumped up and saved. So, yeah, very

58:52

heroic. When I when I

58:55

say shady, Saul, I'm of two minds on this

58:57

one. We know that he's not been 100 percent

58:59

truthful. So right there now, is he

59:02

a bad guy? Is he a Sith?

59:04

Is he perhaps a

59:06

master of Khaimir? It'd

59:10

be a hell of a twist. I'm not

59:12

ruling it out because what is what

59:15

if he's Khaimir's father? Is

59:20

anybody on that one out there? I

59:23

know the Jedi don't do that. You know,

59:25

it's just not done. Jimmy Mack, it's not

59:27

done unless you have a Monday. Maybe

59:30

he's one of Kiadi Monday's kids. Who

59:33

knows? Sometimes

59:35

it's hard to keep that saber sheathed.

59:42

It's definitely a possibility that the little

59:46

exchange that they have about the

59:48

master not revealing and keeping himself

59:50

masked to the student to

59:53

the pupil. That started

59:55

making me wonder about, well, what

59:57

if we find out that

59:59

Saul? is actually

1:00:01

Kymer's master. And Kymer

1:00:04

doesn't even know it. Perhaps. Well,

1:00:07

Kymer does say he's never

1:00:09

seen his master's face. Didn't

1:00:12

he reveal that? To you?

1:00:15

No, they were talking about the

1:00:17

stranger in that conversation. Yeah, okay.

1:00:19

She says, because they're, in

1:00:22

that conversation, they're talking about the

1:00:26

stranger. They're not talking about

1:00:28

the stranger's master. In fact, I don't think

1:00:31

that there's been any

1:00:33

reference to there being, there hasn't

1:00:35

been any in-universe or in-show reference

1:00:37

to there being anything above Kymer.

1:00:40

No, I know, I know this, but

1:00:43

a master

1:00:46

would have an apprentice, an

1:00:49

apprentice would have an acolyte. I

1:00:51

think that's the way that line

1:00:54

of succession works. A

1:00:57

master and apprentice.

1:01:00

It's not a master and an acolyte. No.

1:01:03

I know, I know. It's just, these are

1:01:06

just, it's just terminology, but

1:01:09

I'm thinking Kymer is

1:01:11

the apprentice to the true Sith

1:01:13

Lord. I agree. I

1:01:16

agree. I don't think though, that

1:01:19

the apprentice reveals

1:01:21

the master to the acolyte until they're ready

1:01:24

to make a go. Yeah.

1:01:29

I think you're right. It's all done on the

1:01:31

side. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

1:01:35

So it seems unlikely

1:01:37

to me that May would know that

1:01:40

there's anyone above Kymer at this point. But

1:01:45

I think Kymer is presenting a situation. I see

1:01:47

it gets confusing, I

1:01:49

see it gets confusing because Kymer is

1:01:51

the Sith. You know,

1:01:53

he is a Sith Lord, but

1:01:56

he's not the master. And

1:01:59

I believe. that Kaimir

1:02:01

was presenting the master

1:02:03

to May clearly

1:02:06

is two different people. I mean, she

1:02:08

didn't know that there was any connection

1:02:10

between Kaimir himself and

1:02:13

the Sith Lord. She's

1:02:15

dealing with the shock of that right now

1:02:17

herself. Right. But

1:02:19

they both serve him. She so

1:02:21

may believe that there was that

1:02:24

she and Kaimir both served who

1:02:26

they called the master. Yes.

1:02:29

So in that situation, Kaimir is

1:02:31

maybe more presenting himself to be

1:02:33

an apprentice. Ah,

1:02:37

but, but we have no,

1:02:40

I think you're right. But we

1:02:43

don't see May observing Kaimir

1:02:46

doing any apprentice like stuff. She even says

1:02:48

in the one scene, I'm out here

1:02:50

killing Jedi risk in my life. What

1:02:52

are you doing? And you're just sitting back.

1:02:55

So hierarchically, I would

1:02:58

see her thinking that

1:03:01

she's above whatever Kaimir is

1:03:03

to the master. Yeah,

1:03:05

you're probably right. Because he does. Maybe he's just

1:03:07

a toady. She does say

1:03:10

he's serving the master to

1:03:12

pay a debt of

1:03:14

some sort. He says that

1:03:16

that's right. Yeah. A deal that they made

1:03:18

or something like that. Yeah.

1:03:21

So I think it's unlikely he

1:03:24

was presenting himself to be the apprentice. Um,

1:03:28

he's just sort

1:03:31

of the go between May

1:03:34

and his Sith alter ego. Yeah.

1:03:37

He just presents himself as a

1:03:39

regular guy. But it's brilliant because it's

1:03:41

like you can be the boss and

1:03:44

be the coworker. It's like that

1:03:46

TV. That's

1:03:49

what they should call this show. Undercover.

1:03:52

Seth, there you go. That's it.

1:03:57

Roll credits. Undercover.

1:04:01

So he gets to see both sides. He gets to

1:04:03

see both sides of her. I

1:04:06

also, and this is again, nothing that I, that

1:04:10

we've seen in the show. This is just my own thinking,

1:04:12

my own head cannon is that

1:04:15

I think the amount of time

1:04:17

that May has had with

1:04:20

the master proper in the garb has

1:04:23

been relatively limited. I

1:04:25

feel like he's sort of like a ghost

1:04:27

that sort of comes in and out. I

1:04:30

don't think she spends hours or days at

1:04:32

a time with him. So he uses chimer

1:04:34

as this proxy. Yeah. Yeah,

1:04:37

right. Exactly. A

1:04:39

go between himself and May. Yeah,

1:04:42

exactly. Yeah. Here's

1:04:44

Kurt Bear. Kurt says choreography was finally

1:04:46

something cool, but just as I was

1:04:48

getting into it, the jarring editing ruined

1:04:50

it. Not feeling the show, but always

1:04:52

love RFR. I

1:04:55

didn't really, I don't know, Kurt, you might just

1:04:57

let us know what you mean exactly. What's an

1:05:00

example of that with the jarring editing. I

1:05:03

didn't feel that it was, there was nothing jarring

1:05:05

here for me. Although

1:05:07

I did want to ask you, Jimmy, we've talked a

1:05:09

lot about this since Disney Plus,

1:05:11

Star Wars series started airing and you

1:05:14

and I, I've agreed with you. You

1:05:16

made the case that you're really glad

1:05:18

that these things drop one episode at

1:05:20

a time every week. It

1:05:22

gives you time to digest it and

1:05:24

shows like this to happen. But I

1:05:28

think this is a show that

1:05:30

will be or would be infinitely

1:05:32

better if you were able to

1:05:35

watch it unfold at once. I

1:05:37

am struggling a little bit with some of the

1:05:39

gaps and just some of the

1:05:42

examples that come to mind are, you

1:05:44

know, you were dealing with the

1:05:46

witches. I mean, it was a really intense

1:05:49

delve into

1:05:51

the witch culture there, that coven, and

1:05:54

then bang, you're out of it. You're shot like

1:05:56

a cannon the next week and there's no continuity.

1:05:58

If you were watching this thing. all at

1:06:00

once, I feel

1:06:02

that it would maybe,

1:06:05

maybe some of the criticism wouldn't be quite

1:06:07

as, uh, as

1:06:09

fierce. I think the story would reveal

1:06:13

itself to be a lot stronger, uh,

1:06:16

than it is. Cause I do think we have

1:06:18

a really strong story here. I just don't know

1:06:20

if it's doing it any favors by chopping it

1:06:22

up this way. Well, there's

1:06:25

a reason to feel that way. And I'll tell you

1:06:27

exactly what that reason is. Okay.

1:06:30

Yeah. You're impatient. You're just

1:06:33

an impatient human being. You

1:06:35

want it all now. You got to have everything

1:06:37

it wants. No, no, I, I, I'm

1:06:39

seriously, I don't want to do you like that.

1:06:41

So you, you, you, you

1:06:44

do share a

1:06:46

sentiment that I think, could

1:06:49

be an area of

1:06:51

improvement for Lucasfilm if they made these

1:06:53

episodes longer, they're

1:06:56

too short. Episode

1:06:59

five, or wait, which one are we

1:07:01

on? No, episodes four

1:07:03

and five could have

1:07:05

and should have been one episode. Yeah.

1:07:09

They, you know, I just tried to get

1:07:11

as much milk out of the cow as

1:07:13

possible. The best way

1:07:15

to do it is longer episodes,

1:07:17

more fleshed out storytelling. And

1:07:20

then maybe people are feeling jarred

1:07:22

by the edits. If you

1:07:25

let it, if you let the story play out

1:07:27

a little bit longer episodically,

1:07:32

yeah. Half hour episodes. I mean, this

1:07:34

episode is like 25 minutes of content

1:07:37

maybe. Right. That's not cutting it week

1:07:39

by week. It just

1:07:41

simply is not cutting it. And

1:07:44

that's the problem. I think that's

1:07:47

the problem. The way to fix

1:07:49

that is just longer

1:07:51

episodes, flesh out the

1:07:54

story a little bit more. Maybe, uh,

1:07:56

I don't know, a second draft of

1:07:58

your script. I

1:08:00

know it sounds revolutionary, but

1:08:03

ever since Lucasfilm worked with Ryan Johnson, they think

1:08:05

they could just get away with one draft. One

1:08:08

draft. When I think about what

1:08:10

I feel is the pinnacle so far of

1:08:13

episodic Star Wars through Disney Plus

1:08:16

is those first two seasons of The

1:08:18

Mandalorian. And I think

1:08:20

what it was was, yeah, it left me

1:08:22

wanting more each week. Like I wanted to

1:08:24

stay in that universe because I

1:08:26

loved it. I loved the characters and they were doing such

1:08:28

a great job, but I

1:08:31

didn't necessarily feel unfulfilled

1:08:33

after an episode where

1:08:36

this is sort of borderline, wait a

1:08:38

minute. It's like, you

1:08:41

know, certain types of food where I'm

1:08:43

hungry, like five minutes later, give

1:08:45

me more to eat. So I

1:08:48

think you're right. This isn't necessarily

1:08:50

mean that they need

1:08:52

to dump it all at once. It's just give us

1:08:54

a little bit more on the bone each

1:08:57

time, keep serving. It's just,

1:08:59

I like the weekly drops because

1:09:01

everyone's at the same pace. Yeah.

1:09:05

You drop full seasons, people binge them the

1:09:07

second they get dropped. And then other people

1:09:09

stretch it out for a few weeks or

1:09:12

whatever. You know,

1:09:14

it is either is too urgent or

1:09:16

it lacks the urgency when you drop

1:09:18

these complete seasons at once. Everyone's at

1:09:21

their own pace. When

1:09:23

you drop an episode once a

1:09:25

week, we get a get together,

1:09:27

have conversations like this show is

1:09:29

providing and really just

1:09:31

go along for the ride. When

1:09:34

they drop full seasons, when you

1:09:36

see the full season, you want to talk to someone about

1:09:38

it. And how many people say, oh

1:09:40

no, don't say anything. I haven't watched it all

1:09:42

yet. I mean, because everyone's at

1:09:44

their own pace. We have a lot

1:09:47

of time on our own Jedi council waiting for us

1:09:49

to watch it on a Tuesday night. We

1:09:52

start texting each other. FDA

1:09:54

was traveling. So right. You

1:10:00

know what I'm saying? I think it's, it, it builds

1:10:03

stronger community to

1:10:05

have just the once a week drops. It

1:10:07

keeps everyone at the same pace. Yeah. Yeah.

1:10:09

No, I like, I like that. Um,

1:10:13

let's go to a Trey, Rick, Trey says, I'm

1:10:15

so glad the sith wasn't one of the witches.

1:10:17

That was my theory. I thought it was going

1:10:19

to be mother Anis. Saya could

1:10:21

have been mother coral, but, uh,

1:10:23

the smart money, the obvious was,

1:10:25

was, uh,

1:10:27

was chimer. So not a huge surprise

1:10:30

for some. And by the way, I found out that

1:10:32

that was spoiled online. I didn't realize that. So all

1:10:34

of you, uh, they think your

1:10:36

genius is for figuring that out. That was,

1:10:38

it was spoiled online. It was,

1:10:40

it was. Yeah. Who spoiled it. I'm

1:10:43

not going to mention names, but I'll

1:10:45

give you a list of five and the

1:10:47

first four don't count who likes to take,

1:10:49

get pictures from behind the scenes and Oh

1:10:52

God, that douchebag store.

1:10:56

Yeah. All right. Whatever. So

1:10:59

yeah. Uh, Hey, let's go to the

1:11:01

phones. I mentioned him before, but,

1:11:04

uh, uh, let's do it. Hey,

1:11:09

Blake,

1:11:12

where your ears burning? Chuck, Chuck,

1:11:15

buddy. We're talking about like, uh,

1:11:17

how are you guys doing? Doing good. How,

1:11:19

my question is how are you doing? This

1:11:22

was some intense stuff. Are you

1:11:24

doing all right? Did you have any nightmares

1:11:26

where you crawling in mom and dad's bed

1:11:28

last night? No, I was up all night

1:11:30

excited about this episode though. It was crazy.

1:11:35

Yes, it was. Well, we know that you you

1:11:39

didn't think it had it in them today. You

1:11:41

didn't think so. I'm kind of

1:11:43

with you. You're a bit of a dark,

1:11:46

you're a bit of a dark cider, Blake.

1:11:48

We know that your, uh, your saber runs

1:11:50

red. So, uh, this must've been, uh, pretty

1:11:53

exciting for you then. Oh yeah. It

1:11:55

was exciting. I was jumping up and

1:11:57

down and he was like, use his,

1:11:59

uh, his arm. and just

1:12:01

turn off their savers, then he just

1:12:03

headbutt their lightsaber and just turn that

1:12:05

off. He was going

1:12:07

back and forth, deactivating their lightsaber. Then

1:12:10

he had his shish kabob with two

1:12:12

Jedi's on it with

1:12:14

the lightsaber. It

1:12:16

was crazy. Were you surprised when it turned

1:12:19

out to be Khaimir? Were you

1:12:21

thinking that that's who it was? I

1:12:23

like, I

1:12:25

knew it would be Khaimir, but I

1:12:27

didn't want it to be Khaimir. I

1:12:30

wanted it to be someone else. It

1:12:32

felt too basic to be Khaimir. But

1:12:35

it turned out cool with him being in it, though.

1:12:37

So you're happy with him? Are

1:12:39

you accepting him into the ranks of Sith? Are

1:12:43

you happy to have him in there? Alongside

1:12:45

Palpatine and Vader? He's

1:12:48

got the coolest armor, though.

1:12:52

All he's got to do is just put up

1:12:54

his arm. Boom, your lightsaber's gone. You can't use

1:12:56

it for a good 10 seconds. Then

1:12:59

you can turn it back on. By then, you're

1:13:01

dead. What, Mack, what was that called

1:13:03

again? What's that metal? The

1:13:06

cortosis. Cortosis. Yes.

1:13:10

It's been around the Expanded Universe for a long

1:13:12

time. I feel like Darth Vader should have that.

1:13:14

Yeah, why didn't Vader use that? Cortosis, that's what

1:13:16

it had been, what his shoulder pads were made

1:13:18

of. And the codpiece. If I

1:13:20

had, if I was ever wearing a codpiece, you better

1:13:23

believe that it would be made out of cortosis. I

1:13:26

think it's some of the Marvel

1:13:28

comics. He runs

1:13:30

around with a staff and

1:13:32

a shield made of that stuff.

1:13:34

It's wild. Oh, yeah.

1:13:38

So, Blake, where do you think this is going?

1:13:40

We've only got three episodes left, and

1:13:42

we've got Osha, who's

1:13:45

really May on the run with Saul.

1:13:47

We've got the real Osha

1:13:49

in the clutches of the vile Sith.

1:13:52

Where are we headed with this? I

1:13:55

think that in this episode, well,

1:13:57

yeah, in this episode, The

1:14:02

stranger, I guess, is what Disney wants us

1:14:04

to call him. He

1:14:06

says, you don't remember me, the soul.

1:14:09

Right. Which that means

1:14:11

he in an earlier episode,

1:14:14

um, Vanessa, Rose

1:14:16

says that he looks like

1:14:19

he's been, they

1:14:21

were trained by a Jedi. That's

1:14:23

right. That's right. Vanessa does say

1:14:26

that. Despite the

1:14:28

fact that your is claiming that

1:14:30

he's never seen anything like this,

1:14:32

that he's so erratic, his movements

1:14:34

and Vernestra is saying that, oh,

1:14:37

wait a minute. No, hold on. Hold on. I

1:14:40

think I'm either I'm misunderstanding Blake

1:14:42

or you're misunderstanding. Vernestra was looking

1:14:44

at footage of May, not,

1:14:47

not the stranger. May was taught by a

1:14:50

Jedi. May was taught by a Jedi. Yeah.

1:14:54

Which that's what I think, uh, the

1:14:56

stranger was taught, but he was taught

1:14:58

by a Jedi. So he taught her

1:15:01

basically the ways of a Jedi, but

1:15:03

not fully a different version of it.

1:15:07

Okay. Let's unpack this a minute though.

1:15:09

Cause you got, you got me, you got me real in

1:15:11

here. So we've got, we've got

1:15:13

Vernestra who is sort of built up in

1:15:15

this series to be sort of the Mace

1:15:17

Windu character, one of the highest on

1:15:20

the junior council. Cause we know

1:15:22

she's not in the high council. None of these are. She

1:15:25

says, look, anyone can see that this,

1:15:27

this person was trained by a Jedi

1:15:29

looking at, at, at May. We

1:15:32

know that May's master is Kaimir.

1:15:35

Kaimir by all description from

1:15:37

Saul and, and

1:15:41

Yord fights erratically. There's

1:15:43

no, there's no logic to it. It's

1:15:46

something that they've never seen before. So

1:15:50

how does this exactly add

1:15:52

up? Just because

1:15:54

is like he changed his way of doing it.

1:16:00

Just this way if it would

1:16:02

happen he's it cuz he definitely

1:16:04

thinks ahead Before he

1:16:06

does it before he does anything. Well, do you think

1:16:08

a little bit ahead of it? All right. Is

1:16:10

it possible that he's trying he's doing this to

1:16:13

throw the Jedi off The

1:16:15

the the trail he could Yeah,

1:16:18

he could be Yeah,

1:16:21

I don't know. I'm Mac

1:16:23

you're very quiet. I think max reading the chat Don't

1:16:27

distract Jimmy Mac in the chat people

1:16:30

I didn't even look at the chair the

1:16:32

last couple of weeks and we're trying to

1:16:34

reconcile this Where you've

1:16:37

got vernestra? Identifying May as having

1:16:39

been trained by a Jedi, right?

1:16:41

Right, right, but we know that

1:16:45

We know that May's master who's been

1:16:47

doing the training Yeah

1:16:49

is chimer Who

1:16:51

is described by Saul and Yord?

1:16:54

Mm-hmm as being very Very

1:16:58

anti Jedi and in terms of

1:17:00

his fighting style and in all

1:17:02

of that. They've never seen anything

1:17:04

like this. So Does

1:17:08

this mean that there was maybe someone else that could

1:17:10

have been training? It

1:17:12

could have been training mayor was or

1:17:14

was chimer deliberately training May in the

1:17:16

style of The Jedi

1:17:19

to throw them off the scent perhaps.

1:17:21

See earlier. I brought up the idea

1:17:23

that maybe Kai

1:17:25

Mir was a padawan himself

1:17:28

at one time and

1:17:30

he was trained by a Jedi but

1:17:32

now he's kind of twisting it and taking

1:17:35

the Jedi arts and using

1:17:37

them for Evil

1:17:40

purposes quite on Jim said

1:17:43

that Darth Maul was familiar with

1:17:45

the Jedi arts and And

1:17:49

so that's what I think might be A

1:17:52

play here. I think somebody might have a

1:17:54

former connection to the order or It's

1:17:58

just the other side of the coin

1:18:00

is is to highlight that moment

1:18:03

when Soul

1:18:05

master soul says to chimera

1:18:07

you use a Jedi weapon

1:18:09

see they're confused Yes,

1:18:12

and that's that's really fueled by their arrogance

1:18:14

where they think they're the only Force

1:18:17

users around and the only legit

1:18:19

force users in the game. They

1:18:22

are they're confused. They can't

1:18:24

understand Another

1:18:27

order they brought up splinter orders

1:18:30

in earlier episode when they were hanging around

1:18:32

the war table with Kiyadi

1:18:35

Mundi and in Vernestra row and they

1:18:37

brought up the idea of these splinter

1:18:40

orders We're Jedi

1:18:42

who maybe are no longer with the

1:18:44

order or or people who were trained

1:18:46

to be Jedi, but just never

1:18:50

graduated You know Maybe

1:18:53

they go off and they start finding

1:18:55

different ways that they can Incorporate

1:18:58

the force and the Jedi

1:19:00

are they don't want to have nothing to do with

1:19:02

that. They're gonna shut that down Because

1:19:05

the Jedi think that they control the

1:19:07

force Right.

1:19:09

I think that's becoming more and more clear

1:19:12

and that's what blinds them to

1:19:15

What's really going on? Yeah,

1:19:18

but I here's the here's the leap that I'm

1:19:20

not willing to take with this show and I

1:19:22

know that this show was positioned early on to

1:19:26

be from the perspective

1:19:29

of the Sith and

1:19:31

when you do that you tend to make the

1:19:34

person whose perspective you're seeing it

1:19:36

through sympathetic and I

1:19:38

won't say the hero or the protagonist of

1:19:40

the show, but You're

1:19:43

certainly trying to create under a level

1:19:45

of understanding in sympathy I'm

1:19:47

not willing to follow this show where

1:19:50

I think they want me to which is to have Sympathy

1:19:53

for the Sith potentially and

1:19:55

see them as some marginalized

1:19:57

group that aren't able to

1:19:59

practice religion the way they want to or

1:20:01

what whatever this is. I'm not buying it.

1:20:03

Just like you said with the witches, you

1:20:05

know what? The witches were evil and the

1:20:08

witches got what they deserved. And

1:20:10

I'm going to say that till the

1:20:13

same in the same way about the Sith. I'm not I'm

1:20:15

not willing to go down this road

1:20:18

of sort of equality

1:20:21

of evil or equality of motive

1:20:23

or whatever. Just

1:20:26

not willing to go down that that that path. That's

1:20:28

the path to the dark side right there. Right. I

1:20:30

think you might be on to something here where

1:20:33

we're being presented with the

1:20:35

perspective of characters and we

1:20:38

as an audience are acts being

1:20:40

asked to reserve our

1:20:42

judgment. Right.

1:20:44

I don't want to reserve my judgment. I've

1:20:47

been a Star Wars fan for almost five

1:20:49

decades. I know the difference between good and

1:20:51

evil. I know the difference between light and

1:20:53

dark. I know the difference between Jedi and

1:20:55

Sith. I will never be sympathetic toward the

1:20:57

Sith. No matter how cool

1:20:59

they look sometimes, we'll

1:21:02

never be sympathetic because they are

1:21:04

the embodiment of evil. And

1:21:07

there's no working your way around that.

1:21:10

So, yeah, things can be presented from

1:21:12

the perspective of the Sith, but

1:21:15

they're still evil. I mean, for

1:21:17

crying out loud, I fell in

1:21:19

love with Tony Soprano, but never once

1:21:22

did I think he was, you

1:21:24

know, he was doing everything out

1:21:27

of the goodness of his heart.

1:21:29

You know, the guy pulled off

1:21:32

some real nasty evil things. He's

1:21:34

a murderer. He's

1:21:36

everywhere he goes. He leaves a wake

1:21:38

of destruction. But yet he's

1:21:40

the protagonist, the antihero in

1:21:43

the Sopranos. But that's the Sopranos

1:21:45

and that's, you know, HBO and

1:21:47

that's mob like this. Star

1:21:49

Wars. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I

1:21:51

know I love the analogy. I'm

1:21:53

not discrediting the analogy. What I'm what

1:21:56

I'm saying is that that

1:21:58

to me. tends to be a

1:22:01

bit of a step too far when it comes

1:22:03

to Star Wars, which is about the

1:22:05

white hats and the black hats. There's a, it

1:22:08

doesn't mean that there's no room for gray

1:22:10

at all, but it does mean that there

1:22:12

is part of the thing that

1:22:14

makes Star Wars work, work is that it

1:22:16

is simple. It doesn't mean it's simplistic, but

1:22:19

it is simple, simple rules.

1:22:21

Good guys, bad guys. And

1:22:24

the line is, is rather thick

1:22:26

between those two sides. Right. Right. Yeah.

1:22:29

But sometimes, you know, it's

1:22:31

kind of interesting to get there in the

1:22:34

middle and so we live in this world

1:22:36

sometimes of, you know, moral equivalents and

1:22:38

it, it, I'm

1:22:41

not willing to go there with my Star Wars. All right. We're

1:22:44

going to jump to another call, but buddy, you've given

1:22:46

us a lot to think about. Appreciate it. We'll

1:22:48

see it. Talk to you next week. Okay. Bye

1:22:51

Blake. All right. There

1:22:54

he goes. 7 0 8 8 6 6 1 7 3 7. The last couple episodes,

1:22:58

you guys have been awesome. We put the phone number

1:23:00

in the description of the, of the stream and

1:23:03

I throw it up on the screen. I haven't

1:23:05

even had to say it last couple episodes. You

1:23:07

guys are like locking up the switchboard. Tyler, our

1:23:09

official call screener is very, very busy the last

1:23:11

couple of weeks. In fact, the whole acolyte after

1:23:13

shows we've had jammed up switchboards the

1:23:15

whole time. So for a show

1:23:17

that everyone seems to hate, you sure do love talking about

1:23:19

it. Let's go. Let's go

1:23:22

to a Riley. Riley's

1:23:24

calling from Indianapolis. He's a Patreon member. Of course,

1:23:26

the Patreons get sent to the head of the

1:23:28

line. So Riley,

1:23:32

welcome. Yeah. Hey guys.

1:23:34

Yeah. Thank you. I'm a, yeah. Newer. Patreon

1:23:36

member first time caller. Uh, just, uh, so

1:23:39

excited about the act right now. Welcome bell

1:23:41

there. First time. I

1:23:44

love it. I thought the ice cream truck was coming around

1:23:47

the corner for a second. I was going to excuse myself

1:23:49

every once in a while. I just got to do a

1:23:51

little hacky radio, right? You know, next

1:23:53

week we'll do topics. Oh yeah. pipeline.

1:24:00

So Riley, what do you got for us?

1:24:02

Hey, just, yeah, I mean, just, you

1:24:04

know, this story, the acolyte, especially

1:24:07

this episode, the grittiness, you know,

1:24:09

it's really drawn me in and it's the first

1:24:11

time in a long time that I've, I've had

1:24:14

goosebumps watching new star Wars. I've gasped, you know,

1:24:16

there's a lot of a lot

1:24:18

of crazy stuff that happened this episode and it kind

1:24:20

of made me realize I liked this show a little

1:24:22

bit more than I thought, you

1:24:25

know, especially with the death of Jackie and

1:24:27

Yord, you know, seeing that and it's kind

1:24:29

of gruesome in a way, you know, the,

1:24:31

the death of Jackie, you just kind of

1:24:34

see those three lightsabers go through or the,

1:24:36

you know, the, the three lightsaber holes there

1:24:39

in her body. And it was just, yeah,

1:24:41

that's where I, I gassed the first time.

1:24:43

And then, you know, Yord's

1:24:46

death was, was very graphic and

1:24:49

yeah, just, you know, really getting into the show.

1:24:51

I'm glad that they didn't,

1:24:53

you know, carry on this who's

1:24:55

behind the mask mystery, you know, all the way

1:24:57

to the finale. I'm glad that they're able to

1:24:59

do it now. And we're,

1:25:02

we're able to dig into the story about Kaimir

1:25:05

and I kind of think we're going

1:25:07

to go down another duality route here.

1:25:09

You know, we've had the duality with

1:25:12

the different episode themes

1:25:14

with Osha and May. And I

1:25:17

feel like there, there's something going on with

1:25:19

soul and Kaimir, you know, whether they were,

1:25:21

you know, I'm kind

1:25:23

of thinking that maybe they're both trained

1:25:25

at a young age and some type

1:25:28

of darkness of

1:25:30

the forest, you know, you know,

1:25:32

we've learned now that there's this kind of witchcraft thing

1:25:35

here in the acolyte. And

1:25:38

my, my guess here is

1:25:40

that they both were getting trained, but the

1:25:42

Jedi came and, and pulled soul out, just

1:25:44

like they pulled Osha out and

1:25:46

left may on this path of darkness. And so, yeah,

1:25:48

just kind of excited to see where the rest of

1:25:51

the story goes now that they've swapped Osha and may,

1:25:53

and, you know, they have the different systems. now

1:26:00

and it's just going to be an exciting final

1:26:02

three episodes. Well, where do

1:26:04

you stand on the whole issue

1:26:06

of of Saul and how much

1:26:10

to blame is he for all of this?

1:26:12

I mean, there's a range that

1:26:15

he could have just kind of stumbled into

1:26:17

all of this causing things in motion. You

1:26:21

got that and then all the way on the

1:26:23

other side you got maybe this guy is pulling

1:26:25

all the strings and he's secretly

1:26:28

kind of like a little

1:26:30

too much for him to be that evil

1:26:32

and and be the master. Yeah,

1:26:35

I'm kind of hoping that you know, it's

1:26:37

just a situation that

1:26:40

yeah, he's lied and he's been sketchy

1:26:42

and obviously with what

1:26:45

kind of said, you know, he told

1:26:47

him I accepted my darkness. What have you done

1:26:49

with yours? Yeah, that was a

1:26:51

good question. I mean, I think that's a

1:26:53

good question. I accepted my darkness. What have you done with

1:26:55

yours? Yeah, that

1:26:57

was a good line to unpack with.

1:27:00

Yeah, yeah, there's a lot to come back with

1:27:02

soul. He's a just

1:27:05

like time here. I feel like they're

1:27:07

both very very interesting characters and you

1:27:09

know, it's kind of the first time in a while with Star Wars

1:27:11

is I'm really getting swept up in the story now and I'm really

1:27:14

excited to flesh out, you

1:27:16

know, these completely new characters that we really

1:27:18

don't have any backgrounds with and kind of

1:27:21

see where the story takes us. Yeah,

1:27:23

this show may really just stumble onto something pretty

1:27:25

good. It

1:27:30

sort of feels that way because it just I don't

1:27:33

know. There was just there was there was so much

1:27:36

chatter going into this series from the

1:27:38

creatives and from the stars where they

1:27:40

would seem to be talking about everything

1:27:42

under the sun other than just story

1:27:45

and characters in Star Wars. So it's

1:27:48

refreshing to see that I think the

1:27:50

art creating what is a really

1:27:54

interesting and compelling story. So even

1:27:56

if the execution may

1:27:58

not always. be

1:28:01

exactly the way we would do it or we'd want it done. The

1:28:05

sort of the larger view of this is that

1:28:07

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1:28:56

from Georgia. He's got something to

1:28:58

say about Ky-Mere. Hello,

1:29:01

Layton, you're on with Rebel Force Radio. Hello. Layton.

1:29:05

Let me see, maybe I didn't click the

1:29:07

button. I think there's some latency with Layton.

1:29:09

There, there. Layton, that was my fault, not your

1:29:11

fault. How you doing, buddy? Oh,

1:29:14

for once, I wasn't the one on mute,

1:29:16

okay. Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah,

1:29:20

I hope you guys are doing

1:29:22

well. Yeah, I had, I mean,

1:29:25

well, I enjoyed the episode. I

1:29:27

also love the after shows, as always. I haven't

1:29:30

been able to call in much, but definitely love

1:29:32

them. Yeah, so I'm gonna

1:29:34

stay away from the low hanging fruit

1:29:36

that I think is the twins. But

1:29:39

for me, Ky-Mere is who I

1:29:41

wanted to talk about because I

1:29:43

don't know about you guys, but to

1:29:45

me, he was at

1:29:48

the same time the most interesting

1:29:50

character and compelling character of

1:29:52

this episode. And on

1:29:54

the other hand, maybe the most confusing,

1:29:59

just, with, I mean, some of

1:30:01

his lines seem to

1:30:03

tie him up to the witches, but then the other ones

1:30:05

not seem to tie him up

1:30:08

with soul, but then soul had no

1:30:10

clue who he was other than seeing

1:30:12

him before, you know, in an earlier

1:30:14

episode. He did say

1:30:17

he said something familiar though. Saul

1:30:19

does say he sent something familiar.

1:30:22

So clearly, um,

1:30:25

chimer remembers Saul better than Saul

1:30:27

remembers chimer outside of the, you

1:30:30

know, the apothecary. Apparently so. Apparently

1:30:32

so. I'd, so one thing

1:30:35

I had mentioned, um, to, you know,

1:30:38

I called in, um, was

1:30:40

it, so the

1:30:42

line was probably my biggest beef

1:30:44

with as far as chimer's dialogue,

1:30:47

which I thought in some parts was great, like his,

1:30:50

uh, kind of come back about, so I'll ask him

1:30:52

why, you know, why have you risked

1:30:54

revealing yourself? And he's like, well, I was wearing

1:30:56

a mask. You know, that, that was kind

1:30:58

of funny. But then soon after that he's, you

1:31:00

know, who are you? And he's like, well, I

1:31:03

don't have a name, but you might call me

1:31:05

Seth. And I, it just, the way he

1:31:07

said it was such a throwaway line

1:31:09

when I kind of felt like, I

1:31:11

don't know about, I mean, for me, it was like, oh, this

1:31:14

is all leading up to the sith and the sith are going

1:31:16

to get revealed and oh my goodness, like what

1:31:18

that's going to be like. And it was basically like, yeah,

1:31:20

I'm a milk man. No big deal. You

1:31:26

can call me milk man. Yeah. It

1:31:29

hit me. It

1:31:31

hit me wrong too. And, and

1:31:34

I don't know that it has to be as

1:31:36

dramatic as I always use this example of, you

1:31:38

know, the old Gendy series when they show Ventress

1:31:40

and she's like, I am say if the, you

1:31:42

know, the lightsaber's drawn all that. I don't think

1:31:45

it had to be that dramatic. Um,

1:31:48

but he does kind of throw it away. And I,

1:31:50

and I think some of this has to do with

1:31:52

just sort of, you

1:31:54

know, the way, the way, the

1:31:56

way actors act these days, you know, go through

1:31:58

history and there's different styles. of acting and

1:32:01

there's definitely a desire to be

1:32:03

so natural that

1:32:07

you do underplay certain things. And I think this

1:32:09

is one of those cases where the guy was

1:32:11

trying to sort of play it

1:32:13

cool and play it natural, but it was

1:32:15

underplayed. And I think to

1:32:18

the detriment of the scene, he

1:32:20

does redeem himself and I think have some really

1:32:22

great moments and the way he delivers all this

1:32:25

stuff about the freedom to yield the power he

1:32:27

wants. Definitely, I

1:32:31

think pulls that off really well, but I agree with

1:32:33

you. I was a little disappointed with that reveal. I

1:32:36

think it could have been a little bit

1:32:38

more dramatic and not so glib. Why? I

1:32:41

mean, what if it isn't the truth? He

1:32:43

doesn't say I am Sith either. I

1:32:45

forget how he words it. He says, but

1:32:48

the Jedi like you might call me dot,

1:32:50

dot, dot, Sith.

1:32:53

Might call me if

1:32:55

I actually was a Sith. Although

1:32:57

Jason said it was more drama, actually. I

1:33:00

did. You might call me. Yeah,

1:33:02

it was Sith. Yeah, that's

1:33:04

a good reading. Nice

1:33:06

reading. But yeah, I think.

1:33:09

This is like the third time you've thrown out

1:33:11

this possibility that he's a poser, that he's not

1:33:13

really a Sith. Yeah, that's

1:33:16

right. There

1:33:18

could be some. So, because how does it

1:33:20

play out for you? How does that play

1:33:22

out? If he's a phony, does

1:33:26

this mean that we go through the series never

1:33:28

having really met a real Sith? Where

1:33:30

does the real Sith come into play? Maybe

1:33:33

the real Sith gets word that there's

1:33:35

a poser out there and

1:33:39

puts an end to it his own way. Or

1:33:43

recruits this guy. Interesting.

1:33:46

He's just very hard to pin down.

1:33:48

I'm not, I'm not, that's. Yeah, he's.

1:33:51

Was that Leighton? Well, I was just saying

1:33:53

he seemed hard to pin down. Self-proclaimed

1:33:55

himself as a Sith. But

1:33:58

at the same time. he's referencing

1:34:02

After a few of his lines are yeah

1:34:04

I mean there are a couple for sure

1:34:06

that were very reminiscent of what the You

1:34:09

know what mother an ASEA was saying and I

1:34:12

think the third episode about you know freedom

1:34:14

to wield you know wield power

1:34:17

how they want and There

1:34:21

was there's another one about his ability to get into

1:34:23

your mind that it was should compared to her right

1:34:25

her mom or to the witches Things

1:34:28

like that and oh and

1:34:30

the one where soul says the

1:34:32

Jedi don't attack the

1:34:35

unarmed and Come here says don't

1:34:37

you and that is right out

1:34:39

of episode one? I think

1:34:41

or it's actually right at the beginning of

1:34:43

episode one where may is is is fighting

1:34:47

Now I can't remember the characters name Dara,

1:34:49

but I mean that was direct. Yes. Thank

1:34:51

you You know master and our right

1:34:53

off of that I you know that I was almost

1:34:55

not quite word for word but close enough now, man

1:34:58

This is if he is said

1:35:00

there is he you know from the witch

1:35:02

clan of some sort of deal I

1:35:05

was really more confused at the end of

1:35:07

the episode By who he was

1:35:09

and what they were trying to do with them. I

1:35:12

think that might be by design I think

1:35:14

keeping him enigmatic and somewhat of a mystery

1:35:17

is still by that They've revealed his face but outside

1:35:19

of that we don't know a whole lot about him

1:35:21

the line that you were talking about Layton that

1:35:24

is an interesting one where Saul says I

1:35:26

the Jedi do not attack the unarmed and

1:35:29

Kamiya replies rules rules rules if you

1:35:32

never follow them, you never have to

1:35:34

break them So, you know,

1:35:36

he's definitely saying look look how free I

1:35:38

am to do and wield this power However,

1:35:40

and whenever I want I love

1:35:43

that Anti-authoritarian edge of this guy

1:35:45

he's kind of Yeah,

1:35:50

don't follow him you don't have to break him right

1:35:52

right right Layton great call

1:35:55

man. Thanks so much for hanging out with

1:35:57

us and being a patreon and Really?

1:36:00

appreciate it. Got another

1:36:02

couple of, we got a lot of super chats,

1:36:04

my goodness, you guys are so

1:36:06

very generous. Here's Rich Brendal, our buddy Rich.

1:36:09

Basically they are now calling the Dark Side

1:36:11

user, the stranger. The theme song for this

1:36:13

episode should be Feels Like a Stranger by

1:36:16

Grateful Dead. I'm sure Jimmy will

1:36:18

back me up on that. Sure,

1:36:20

I'll back you up. Feels Like a Stranger.

1:36:22

I keep thinking about

1:36:24

the Billy Joel album myself, The Stranger. Right,

1:36:27

right. There's many songs that can

1:36:30

apply to this episode.

1:36:33

Yeah, but no, I don't

1:36:35

think The Grateful Dead

1:36:37

would make a great soundtrack

1:36:39

for Star Wars necessarily. I

1:36:43

do appreciate that Star Wars and The Grateful Dead

1:36:45

both come from the Bay Area, but that's

1:36:48

pretty much as far as we want to take

1:36:50

that connection. Here's Chen

1:36:52

Puka says, I love this episode. Took a

1:36:55

while to get here, but it was worth

1:36:57

it. Found it interesting that the Kylo Ren

1:36:59

theme plays at the

1:37:01

end with Khmer, possible

1:37:03

founder of the Knights of Ren.

1:37:06

Love you guys. I hear

1:37:08

that. Mack, did you hear that? Well,

1:37:12

I'll tell you this and not necessarily, but

1:37:15

I do see some similarities

1:37:19

in Khmer and the Knights

1:37:21

of Ren. We've

1:37:24

never seen a Knight wield

1:37:27

a saber though. Well, Kylo Ren, Kylo

1:37:29

Ren was a Knight. Kylo Ren does,

1:37:31

but you're right. He's the only one

1:37:33

that does though. He's

1:37:36

just such a conundrum

1:37:39

man. I mean, you

1:37:42

would consider Kylo to be a Sith, I

1:37:44

guess, but

1:37:46

I mean, Palpatine was just toying with him,

1:37:50

but it's hard to

1:37:52

even say if Kylo is a

1:37:54

legitimate Sith Lord. He's not a

1:37:56

Darth. He's not a Darth Kylo.

1:38:00

For that matter, Jim, could you even say that,

1:38:05

uh, oh, God,

1:38:08

um, circus's character.

1:38:11

Um, Snoke, Snoke. Could you

1:38:13

even say that he's a legitimate set?

1:38:15

No, no. Right. And

1:38:18

yeah, so it's, it's,

1:38:20

it's, it's a slippery slope. So, uh,

1:38:23

we, we have seen guys who,

1:38:27

uh, fight the fight for the

1:38:29

dark side, who are not actual

1:38:31

Sith and

1:38:33

Kylo Ren was wielding a red saber,

1:38:36

but I don't think

1:38:38

you can call him a Sith Lord. I don't think

1:38:40

you can either. In fact, I feel that Kylo

1:38:42

Ren is sort of emblematic of a

1:38:45

poser. Yeah. Yeah.

1:38:48

So are we going down that path again with

1:38:51

Khaimir? I'm thinking no,

1:38:54

just because it's been strongly

1:38:56

said about this series is

1:38:58

like you mentioned earlier, that

1:39:01

it's from the perspective of the Sith,

1:39:04

not from the perspective of the dark side or from

1:39:06

the Knights of Ren from the

1:39:09

Sith, specifically. And

1:39:11

so to go against that is almost faulty

1:39:13

advertising in my book. Um,

1:39:16

the contact, the better business bureau

1:39:19

on Lucasfilm. No, but

1:39:21

you know, it's, it's, I think, I

1:39:23

think all roads lead to

1:39:26

Khaimir being a Sith Lord.

1:39:29

Uh, we got Patreon VIP Frank

1:39:32

calling in from New Hampshire. Uh,

1:39:35

Hey Frank. Hey, Hey, Chuck, Chuck, fellas.

1:39:37

Hey Chuck. Chuck. Hi, Frank.

1:39:40

Yeah. This is Frank. Good talking to you in

1:39:42

Bristol. Oh

1:39:44

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I remember you,

1:39:46

Frank. It's good to hear from you. Yeah.

1:39:49

Right on. Uh, you know, I, I gotta, I

1:39:51

gotta say, I agree with you guys that Khaimir

1:39:53

isn't the top of, uh, of his food chain.

1:39:56

Um, I, I believe his

1:39:59

master. Helps the witches create

1:40:01

life we saw that he knows the force

1:40:03

healing ability Seems like

1:40:05

it's in the same vein is creating life So

1:40:07

I think that they showed us that very deliberately

1:40:09

for a reason and I think that reason is

1:40:12

That his master helps the witches create

1:40:14

life. Oh Yeah,

1:40:17

you might be on to something there because

1:40:19

we know the Sith that's

1:40:21

something that they try to do is

1:40:24

to manipulate life and Manipulate

1:40:26

the midi chlorine specifically to create

1:40:28

life And so

1:40:31

that's a Sith thing exactly, but

1:40:33

I mean were they on to it

1:40:35

even prior to Darth cities? Learning

1:40:38

or I'm sorry Darth Plagueis.

1:40:41

I get my darts confused Darth

1:40:43

Plagueis is the guy who I always

1:40:45

thought is the one who? Discovered

1:40:48

how to do that But

1:40:51

maybe Darth Plagueis is actually around

1:40:54

in this era. I Mean

1:40:57

could Darth Plagueis be? Well, that's kind of

1:40:59

what I'm wondering right like is Plagueis around

1:41:01

in this era Yeah,

1:41:03

and could that be who were who were dealing

1:41:05

with? maybe I don't

1:41:09

see why not and Right,

1:41:12

they've shown they've shown a desire

1:41:15

to incorporate expanded

1:41:17

universe stuff into this

1:41:19

show Probably more than

1:41:21

we've seen in any Star Wars

1:41:24

streaming series up to this point

1:41:27

Seems like there's EU heavy stuff in

1:41:29

every episode but

1:41:33

Yeah, you know, I I think it's

1:41:35

it's as possible Jason we're talking

1:41:37

about the possibility of Darth

1:41:40

Plagueis himself being behind

1:41:42

the creation of the

1:41:45

witch twins May

1:41:47

and us OSHA Every

1:41:50

time I say OSHA. I want to

1:41:52

say Ahsoka. This is driving me. This

1:41:54

is driving me crazy. I Just

1:41:57

I don't know if there if that would

1:41:59

imply that there's sort of leapfrogging Tenebris. And

1:42:02

again, this is all legend

1:42:04

stuff at this point, but I

1:42:07

don't know. We've just, with

1:42:10

characters ages and what you

1:42:12

can assume, all of that. But I

1:42:15

guess if we just sort of say

1:42:17

Plagueis and we leave plenty

1:42:20

of room for it to also

1:42:22

include Tenebris, but that line, that

1:42:24

lineage of Sith, I

1:42:27

definitely think that that line is

1:42:29

what is leading to,

1:42:31

or led to the creation of Osha

1:42:33

and May. The

1:42:37

more we talk about this episode, the less inclined I am to

1:42:39

think that it's Kymir. I

1:42:42

just don't think he's, I

1:42:44

think he's, like I said, I think he's smart enough. Kymir

1:42:47

could be Tenebris, or Kymir's master could be

1:42:49

Tenebris. Say

1:42:52

that one more time. Kymir

1:42:55

could be Tenebris, or his master could have

1:42:57

been Tenebris. Oh,

1:42:59

Kymir could be Tenebris? You

1:43:02

never know. Well, it's true. You do never

1:43:04

know. They don't have to necessarily make Tenebris

1:43:07

a bith, like

1:43:10

he was in it. Yeah, yeah.

1:43:12

Mm-hmm, yeah. It is that

1:43:14

one line where he talks about, when

1:43:18

he reveals himself to be Sith, he

1:43:21

says he has no name. And

1:43:24

I thought about that, like

1:43:26

maybe he has no name because he's waiting

1:43:28

for his Sith title.

1:43:32

Ah, so he has names in the

1:43:34

start. Right. You

1:43:37

should be known as whatever.

1:43:40

He's gotta earn his stripes. Yeah,

1:43:42

yeah, he's gotta earn his stripes, gotta earn that

1:43:44

name. Yeah, he's

1:43:46

definitely a big question mark. That's for

1:43:49

sure. All right, Frank. Yeah, anything

1:43:51

else? I think they showed us that forcing,

1:43:54

I just think they showed us that force healing

1:43:56

ability very deliberately and there's something, I think that

1:43:58

might be, you know, that. his master helped to

1:44:00

help create the twin. That's

1:44:03

about it for me guys. Thanks so much. I just want

1:44:05

to say, uh, the power of many didn't really, didn't really

1:44:07

help those Jedi in the forest. Very much. No,

1:44:10

I don't, I don't think

1:44:12

so. I don't think so either. Uh, all

1:44:15

right. Let's go with, Oh, let's check in

1:44:17

with the, uh, the old watch party here.

1:44:19

We'll see what these guys are up to.

1:44:22

We've got the Boston

1:44:24

area, acolyte watch party.

1:44:26

Hey guys, what's

1:44:29

going on? What's going on tonight? You got

1:44:31

a Brian, I'm reading off. Um,

1:44:34

where we're being serious tonight. It

1:44:37

was an awesome episode where layers

1:44:39

are focused on what we're going to talk about. And,

1:44:41

um, for me, I'm

1:44:44

a big EU guy. So

1:44:48

it's like, I was like a human version

1:44:50

of the Leo meme. When,

1:44:52

when the lightsabers went off, I was like,

1:44:55

Oh, it's ketosis. It's ketosis. Like I

1:44:57

knew right away. Um, one

1:45:00

of the things I wanted to bring up was,

1:45:03

um, was, I think he actually

1:45:05

has ketosis weave

1:45:07

through his whole outfit, not

1:45:10

just the gauntlets, not just the helmet. I think

1:45:12

it's in the Cape. I think it's in his

1:45:14

clothes because when OSHA

1:45:16

shoots him with the blaster, it

1:45:19

has no impact on him, which

1:45:21

is another trademark of that

1:45:24

ketosis, which is it

1:45:26

takes blasters and absorbs the energy and

1:45:28

nothing happens. Um, also

1:45:30

he got carried off

1:45:32

by the space cockroaches and you know, when

1:45:35

he landed after killing them all his

1:45:38

clothes are in perfect cheap. There's

1:45:40

nothing wrong with them. So, um, he's

1:45:43

got a courtosis running all through him,

1:45:45

all through him is, is, is boots,

1:45:47

his cape, his, uh, his little skirt,

1:45:53

yeah, he had the car piece on, you know,

1:45:56

uh, but I think that actually leads into

1:45:59

one of the things. that was said by when

1:46:02

you're saying, Hey, he's, um,

1:46:05

he's got no real, like

1:46:07