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Hey, look at that, we are back. Rebel

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2:03

those of you who have found us

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through our bad batch after shows welcome

2:08

great to have you we got

2:12

lots of lots of great

2:14

things to talk about this week two

2:17

trailer reviews that's right two

2:20

trailers we're gonna be looking

2:22

at the tales of the Empire trailer which

2:24

is really tales of the

2:26

Jedi season two we knew that there was

2:28

a second season coming what we didn't know

2:30

is that it was gonna be called tales

2:32

of the Empire which is it's kind of

2:34

a cool concept when you think about it

2:36

because we know that there's all these classifications

2:40

of people

2:42

and beings in the Star Wars universe

2:44

so you have tales of the Jedi

2:46

tales of the Empire you can have

2:49

tales of the Sith tales of the

2:51

Republic tales of the bounty hunters tales

2:53

of the underworld there's so many possibilities

2:55

with this tales of my only

2:58

criticism is let's

3:01

make them longer instead of

3:03

them being shorts let's let's do whole seasons

3:05

of these things so but anyway we've got

3:08

a review of that coming up we'll be

3:10

looking at it scene by scene clip by

3:12

clip also the latest game coming out from

3:14

Ubisoft Star Wars outlaws Star Wars outlaws will

3:16

be taking a look at that very interesting

3:18

you know the these games

3:21

are become so cinematic and

3:23

and so much

3:26

a part of the fabric of Star Wars storytelling these

3:28

days we've got to look at it we got to

3:30

take them seriously because there are

3:32

canonical ramifications of some of these

3:34

games plus there's a Jimmy

3:36

Mac's gonna have a review of the

3:38

Star Wars stuff that's on display at

3:40

the Disney 100 exhibition in Chicago so

3:43

we'll be taking a look at all

3:45

that stuff and I mean

3:48

the main event of this week if

3:50

you don't listen to any other part

3:52

of the podcast this week you gotta

3:54

check out puppet Lando's new tune that's

3:56

right drops tonight as

3:59

we record this show live buckle up baby

4:01

and you better buckle up for this

4:03

week's Rebel Force radio and I know

4:05

one guy that's buckled up and ready

4:07

to talk the wars and that's of

4:09

course my good friend and yours from

4:11

Chicago Jimmy Mack. Hey Jason

4:14

hey Star Wars fans we are

4:16

back again Bad Batch earlier this

4:18

week that was an exciting after

4:21

show with Blake's take

4:24

taking center stage of course and

4:26

a lot of

4:28

great speculation and thoughts

4:31

about how that series is gonna wrap

4:33

up but this week

4:36

on RFR we have so much

4:38

stuff to talk about what Jason

4:40

mentioned in the intro isn't even

4:42

everything that we have going on

4:44

here this week on RFR so

4:49

I'm ready to jump right in and I'd

4:51

love to jump right

4:53

in I'd love to hear what you guys think so

4:56

let's hit some listener feedback

4:58

before the main course is

5:00

served let's do it check

5:04

boys check for Morgan just

5:06

been listening to the Bad Batch

5:09

after show podcast

5:29

I wasn't able to listen to it

5:31

live but um I

5:33

got the Blake's take and he's bringing up how

5:37

Omega and the three four sensitive

5:39

kids are gonna link up and

5:41

do something I was just thinking

5:44

oh I

5:48

mean as far as we know they

5:50

they haven't been had any Jedi training

5:52

I mean we don't know that but

5:54

I assume they they don't they just happen

5:57

to have a high-end count and

5:59

our are naturally force sensitive.

6:02

What if, I mean, this isn't anything crazy,

6:05

but what if

6:07

she, you know, helps them tap into

6:09

something that leads to their escape from

6:13

some stuff she learned from Gunji back in season

6:15

two? I think that was season two. I don't

6:17

know. Yeah, I think

6:20

it was season two. But anyways, now

6:22

just a thought. Keep

6:25

it up, boys. Looking

6:27

forward to next week. Have a good one. Hey,

6:29

thanks, buddy. Thanks for the

6:32

voicemail. This did come up on

6:34

the Bad, Bad Chapter show this week. And

6:37

I think it would be, I don't

6:39

know if ironic is the right word, but it would

6:41

be fitting if this

6:43

character, Jim, that we've speculated or

6:45

fans have speculated, including us, that

6:47

could have some sort of force

6:49

potential, Omega. What if

6:52

her legacy in terms of the force

6:54

was to bring some

6:57

of that meditation and some of

6:59

those sort of core

7:03

skills, thoughts,

7:06

ideas to these kids who actually have

7:08

the high M count things she picked

7:10

up from Gunji, things she picked up

7:12

from Asajj Ventress.

7:15

That would be very interesting, even though

7:18

she herself is not necessarily a vessel

7:20

for this type of power, but

7:22

she could bring some of that discipline,

7:24

that training, those ideas to these kids.

7:26

That I think would be also very,

7:29

very cool. In

7:31

the words of Master Yoda, pass on

7:33

what you have learned. And

7:36

it doesn't take a Jedi or

7:38

someone even connected to the force

7:41

to be able to pass along

7:43

a lesson. I mean, we've seen

7:45

it in Star Wars. If you want

7:47

to think about Maz Kanata

7:49

and just the simple things

7:52

she said, the life lessons

7:56

she passed along to Rey seem to be

7:58

effective enough to help her. out in the

8:00

battle with Kylo Ren when she did

8:03

what Ma said, just close your eyes, you

8:05

know, close your eyes and let the force

8:07

flow through you. And she was able to

8:09

survive that showdown, pass

8:11

on what you have learned. And

8:14

we clearly know that Omega

8:16

has learned this skill from

8:19

the Wookiees and

8:21

the Wookiees who are connected to the force like

8:24

Bungie, because we

8:26

saw Omega practicing meditation earlier

8:28

this season. Right.

8:30

So, and the characters even said she

8:33

learned that from the Wookiees. So,

8:36

it seems kind of random for that just

8:38

to come up all of a sudden in

8:41

season three. Maybe that's

8:43

some level of foreshadowing going

8:45

on. Maybe Omega will

8:47

have that kind of impact on

8:49

those kids in the vaults. Interesting

8:53

that you bring up Ma's, you know, it's

8:56

been a while since I've thought about Ma's as

8:59

a character in the Star Wars universe. And she

9:01

did seem to be steeped in

9:03

the lore, in the letter of

9:06

the force and the idea,

9:08

but never did

9:10

I think that she was necessarily a

9:12

force user, but she certainly respected it,

9:15

understood it to some degree that she

9:17

could. And so,

9:19

yeah, so Omega having

9:21

sort of a similar role

9:24

makes a lot of sense. There's precedent.

9:26

I mean, you could be steeped in

9:29

spirituality without having the ability

9:31

to perform a miracle. Right.

9:34

But it's like, isn't that what faith

9:36

is all about is passing on what

9:39

you've learned. And it doesn't matter if

9:42

you're able to touch the

9:44

force or not, everyone

9:46

lives in the same plane of existence.

9:48

So life lessons can

9:51

be passed along from non-force users

9:53

to force users and have a

9:55

great impact. Right. Right.

9:58

Well, I think that that. I

10:01

think that there's a great possibility that that could be

10:03

the role that she ends up playing as she is

10:06

stuck in this Prison

10:09

with these four sensitive kids

10:11

like Ava and Jax. I

10:14

don't remember the name of the Pantorin girl

10:18

Yeah, I don't remember her name button

10:20

blue Bluey

10:22

the Pantorin well, and there's also

10:24

the baby which we didn't see

10:26

this week the Baron

10:32

Baron that was the little baby that they

10:34

had sort of Oh, yeah, I

10:36

mean it kidnapped so it's a little the

10:38

cat pig the look Little

10:41

cat pig. She's in there somewhere. Well,

10:44

we just don't know where maybe she's in the

10:46

nursery I don't know. Maybe this is for the

10:48

older kids in this particular environment

10:50

that hey My thought

10:53

a little bit more because I can't

10:55

stop thinking about it. Thanks to our

10:57

voicemail Omega

10:59

also has a relationship with Boba Fett

11:02

They're kind of cutting from the

11:04

same cloth. What's literally? She's

11:07

the Omega. He's the Alpha so

11:11

there's that connection there and In

11:14

Star Wars storytelling you could look at the

11:16

moment when Boba Fett finds himself amongst

11:20

Allies that he never thought he'd

11:23

run across the Tusken's and He

11:26

was able to pass along what he

11:28

knew to them like a

11:30

Bantha You know, yeah,

11:32

yeah, yeah sure. It's a joke and a

11:34

meme and stuff But I mean it all

11:36

sort of plays out it it's

11:39

that George Lucas echo that the

11:41

rhyme on The ring

11:43

theory whatever you want to call it.

11:46

It's like stanzas in the song You

11:49

know and George used that I think is

11:51

a little bit of a protective bubble Because

11:54

he kept rehashing similar ideas if he

11:56

repeat. I don't know by

11:58

design Yeah,

12:00

yeah, yeah. George always wanted us

12:03

to think it was all by design. And

12:06

I loathe him for that, and I appreciate him

12:08

for that. You know, I mean, it's

12:10

kind of a tug of war going

12:12

on there. I always want

12:15

to have confidence in my storytellers.

12:18

And while George did have a

12:20

certain perspective of history that may

12:22

not have been accurate, he presented

12:24

it to his fan base as

12:26

if it were gospel. So

12:29

I don't mind that, you

12:31

know, as somebody who's being told a

12:33

story. I want to

12:35

have confidence in my storytellers. That's

12:38

why when J.J. Abrams puts his tail

12:41

between his legs and starts

12:43

apologizing for Chewbacca not hugging

12:45

Leia because he didn't recognize

12:47

the importance of that situation

12:49

at the end of The

12:51

Force Awakens, that makes

12:53

me lose confidence in the

12:55

storytelling. I lose confidence

12:57

in the storyteller. I lose confidence in

12:59

the storytelling. You know, there

13:02

is an aspect of George where he's almost like

13:05

Uncle George. He puts you up on his lap

13:07

and he spins a good yarn, you know?

13:10

And you know, that uncle that

13:12

used to be able to tell you a good story,

13:14

a good bedtime story or whatever, there

13:18

was a little bit of, he was a bit of

13:20

a BSer. There was no doubt about that. That's part

13:22

of storytelling, right? Especially when

13:24

you're telling fake stories is there's

13:27

an art to BSing a little bit.

13:29

So I don't mind. And I also

13:32

sort of respect in some ways the

13:34

way George took responsibility for

13:36

his own legacy, his own history,

13:38

his own, he wanted to be

13:40

the one that wrote his own story. And

13:44

so I admire that. It's also fun

13:47

to look at things like the

13:49

Icons on Earth documentary that features Marshall

13:51

Lucas, the secret history of Star Wars,

13:53

some of these unauthorized, because I don't

13:56

think that you can really be a

13:58

Star Wars historian or scholar. Unless

14:00

you look at both sides, there's

14:02

the official take that George has

14:04

authored through, you know, his own

14:06

recollection and and and others

14:08

and then there's sort of that unofficial take you

14:10

gotta really if you want to know the full

14:13

story you gotta look at both. But

14:15

I but I agree with you, you know, you sometimes

14:17

you just want to be entertained and put up on

14:19

the lap and been told a good story. Yeah,

14:22

that's how it's done, baby. That's

14:25

how it's done. So well, that was

14:27

a great voicemail and let's see how

14:29

it plays out on the Bad Batch.

14:31

We're only down to three episodes and

14:35

I think we're all expecting something big to happen.

14:38

So fingers crossed something big happens

14:40

because I want to maintain my

14:43

confidence in the storytelling here. So

14:46

and I and I've had a lot of confidence

14:48

in the Bad Batch storytelling. Although I think it's

14:50

a it's a concept

14:52

that's been stretched as thin as it

14:55

possibly can be at this point. I

14:58

think the three seasons and out is

15:00

a great great great

15:03

way to handle this series and

15:05

these characters. And I

15:07

think we'll look back on this and see that this

15:09

was a really worthy chapter of Star

15:12

Wars storytelling. As

15:14

we talked about on the after show this

15:16

week. Yep, it's been stretched thin. There were

15:18

a lot of filler episodes in the

15:20

first couple of seasons. But boy,

15:22

I will. I'll even give this last

15:25

week's episode of pass a bit because

15:27

it has been very focused and very

15:29

much the

15:32

pacing I think has been really

15:35

certainly the best of the series and

15:37

among the best of Star Wars animation. I

15:39

think when you look at the season as

15:41

a whole and how it's maintained its pacing,

15:44

I think it's really been very well disciplined

15:46

storytelling. So Matt McDevince, who is the story

15:48

editor over there, gets a lot of kudos

15:50

from me for this season. Yeah,

15:52

a Clone Wars veteran. He

15:56

served in the Clone Wars.

15:58

Matt did. That's

16:00

where the whole idea was hatched for

16:03

the Bad Batch during those

16:05

Clone Wars writing sessions with

16:08

George Lucas applying

16:10

a lot of grease to the skids He

16:13

had a lot to do with the the inception of the

16:15

Bad Batch And I don't think

16:17

that should be forgotten as we're now in the

16:19

series at this point. No, certainly D.

16:22

Bad D. Bradley Baker when we've had the chance

16:24

to talk to him He I think

16:26

he wears it as a badge of honor. He's

16:29

attached to a series that is really

16:31

the last major

16:33

contribution by the maker himself George Lucas

16:35

It's not long as of this point

16:38

as of this point as because we

16:40

know George had been Working

16:42

hard on that live-action Star

16:44

Wars underworld series That

16:47

ended up where on the shelf

16:51

George's words. That's his quote.

16:54

Where's the series? It's on the shelf

16:56

50 episodes and there's Star Wars detours

16:59

Which has completed episodes

17:01

man, and George Lucas

17:04

was personally involved in the creation of

17:06

that So it would

17:08

be funny to watch Star

17:10

Wars detours just to get a

17:12

taste of What George

17:14

thinks of Star Wars in a satirical

17:17

way? Right. I

17:19

think that would be very interesting and We

17:22

saw George on stage at Star Wars

17:24

celebration. Gosh Do

17:27

I want to say 2012? Yeah, we

17:30

sat front row there was Steve Sansweet

17:32

and and Buddy

17:35

JC from the scum

17:37

in villainy canteen Riefenberg.

17:40

Yeah, we were quite the crew. I think JC

17:42

had a three-foot

17:45

spiked red What

17:48

do you call those things down the middle

17:50

of the head? Mohawk? Mohawk? Yeah, Mohawk Yeah,

17:54

he had a Mohawk and it was all spiked

17:56

up and stuff and we're sitting there and Lucas

17:58

is right there and It

18:00

was great. It was a lot of fun

18:03

and George was there promoting Star Wars detours

18:06

And that was a dozen years ago. He

18:08

was having a ball up on that stage

18:10

with Seth Green In

18:13

Matt Sennreich. He was having so much fun

18:15

I think a lot of it

18:17

was fueled by kind of looking like the cool

18:19

dad to his son jet You

18:22

know bang that was a big in

18:24

the end right of robot Lincoln my

18:26

kid thinks I'm cool You

18:29

know is that what it took is that what

18:31

it took for the son of George

18:33

Lucas to finally get some credibility? For

18:36

his dad or for his dad

18:38

to get some credibility with him is

18:40

to hang out with Seth Green. He

18:43

created a modern filmmaking To

18:46

some degree. I mean gosh. It's crazy to

18:48

think about But you

18:50

know jet jet Lucas he

18:53

has advanced into a career in In

18:57

sound you know television movie sound

18:59

I don't know he's still approaching

19:01

that but you know he also

19:03

got involved in some Internet

19:06

startups and things like that so

19:08

you know he's out there hustling

19:11

I even heard any updates on jet for a while You

19:15

know best of luck to him George

19:17

has his son you know

19:20

like you need my luck

19:22

Right all right well

19:26

Jim it was just a couple weeks

19:28

ago our last regular rebel force radio

19:30

podcast that you brought us some incredible

19:33

audio history of Harrison

19:37

Ford Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher

19:40

in the studio WGN 1977

19:44

their first and only promotional

19:46

tour as a trio if you

19:49

can imagine going around the country and Making

19:52

stops and promoting this little independent

19:54

film called Star Wars And

19:58

we've had some great great feet as

20:00

you know we talked about the bad batch

20:02

things are that are at the forefront the

20:04

current the Star Wars but this

20:06

goes back to the very foundation and

20:09

it's it's humble beginnings so great

20:11

feedback on those highlights that we

20:13

brought you the entire by

20:16

the way the entire segment is

20:19

available for patreon members so you can

20:21

check that out if you're a patreon

20:23

member the all access tier starts it

20:26

I believe eleven dollars and thirty eight

20:28

cents appropriately enough you

20:30

can check that out but that

20:32

wasn't enough you have some more for us you wanted

20:34

to bring in addition to

20:36

those highlights that we shared a couple weeks ago yeah

20:39

the feedback was so tremendous

20:41

I thought maybe we should

20:43

shine the spotlight on this

20:45

incredible find just found in

20:47

a random closet at

20:51

Chicago radio station WGN and then

20:53

pass along to me to digitize

20:55

it this is a

20:58

reel-to-reel tape of entertainment

21:00

reporter Roy Leonard talking

21:03

to the stars of Star Wars Mark

21:05

Hamill Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher when

21:08

they were on their first ever publicity tour

21:10

for the film the

21:12

date was June 16th

21:14

1977 mere weeks

21:17

after the release of

21:19

the original Star Wars film and

21:22

people were already excited about it

21:24

it is already gripped the

21:27

nation soon to grip

21:29

the world because remember Star

21:31

Wars were was released internationally sort

21:34

of on a staggered I mean

21:37

it was released nationally kind of

21:39

on a staggered level where it

21:41

opened up in a very small

21:43

amount of theaters and then just

21:45

spread like wildfire throughout the country

21:47

and then months later it was

21:49

released overseas and in international

21:52

markets and the rest is history but

21:54

this is the very first publicity

21:57

tour for the original Star Wars

21:59

so let's go back to June 16th, 1977. We're

22:03

going to tune our radio dials to 7 20 AM WGN. And

22:08

we are going to listen to the Roy Leonard

22:10

show as he takes

22:12

listeners calls asking, these are

22:14

obviously very new star Wars fans

22:18

because star Wars itself was

22:20

very new. This is the coolest part. The

22:22

fact that they're taking listener calls is just

22:24

amazing. Right. And so

22:26

we have somebody on the line

22:28

who has several questions about Darth

22:30

Vader. Let's hit the switchboard. I've

22:33

got three questions about Darth Vader,

22:36

but the bad guy. Okay. Who

22:39

played him? David Prowse.

22:41

Oh, good. I'm right. Okay.

22:43

And why did he breathe so funny? Do you

22:45

have asthma or something? What?

22:48

Why do you breathe so funny wearing a face

22:51

mask? A grass mask. Yeah. That's sort

22:53

of a portable iron lung. He can

22:55

breathe in any atmosphere. And there was

22:57

also a rumor that his face was

23:00

disfigured in the clone wars. George has

23:02

set up this whole history

23:06

of the galaxy. So many of the

23:08

facts that are in the script were,

23:11

you know, not in the film for

23:13

pace for whatever reason, but we

23:15

all know our histories and that's, that's

23:18

the interesting part about it. There's so

23:20

much room for, you

23:23

know, for what? I'm

23:25

sorry. I just, I just, I

23:27

just switched to hyperspace. I apologize. Okay.

23:30

Renee. And let's see. That was

23:32

two questions. Did you have another one? Yeah, I

23:35

was wondering, okay. I'm special sex. Were most of

23:37

those animated? A lot of them

23:39

were animated. A lot of them are miniature, miniature

23:42

models that

23:44

are there

23:46

was a special computer system developed

23:49

to manipulate the camera platform and

23:51

the model at the same time.

23:53

So those were all photographs time frame

23:56

by frame. I was wondering, and I hope this doesn't spoil

23:58

the fun of watching the movie, but you know, scene

24:01

when the three of you along with Chewbacca

24:03

are escaping and you have the dogfight where

24:05

you shoot down the four interceptors now could

24:07

you see what you were doing or is

24:10

that all put in afterwards? No it was

24:12

all put in afterwards. Yeah the blue screen

24:14

I mean George would say okay now look

24:16

over your right shoulder there it's coming down

24:19

and you'd you pretend just

24:21

the way you intended when you

24:23

played Cowboys and Indians but to

24:25

see it on the screen is

24:27

just a thrill for all of

24:29

us. Can you imagine Renee making

24:31

money for playing Cowboys and Indians?

24:34

That's great Renee with the question about

24:36

Darth Vader and then the special effects.

24:40

I think it would be Jim do you

24:42

think it might be reasonable

24:45

to give Charlie Lippincott some of

24:47

the credit for the incredible PR

24:49

training that must have gone in

24:51

to Harry. Now I don't mean

24:53

this to the disparage Carrie and

24:55

Mark and Harrison but I'm just

24:58

shocked at how able

25:00

they are to answer these questions

25:03

their ability to immediately recall I

25:05

mean the fact that Harrison detailed

25:07

the essentially the Dykes reflects which

25:09

he's he's referring to there with

25:12

the ability to take these models

25:15

and make them move on screen. You

25:18

know yeah Charlie Lippincott deserves a

25:20

lot of credit and certainly the

25:23

way he prepped these actors to

25:25

go out and do this public

25:27

tour. I don't think it's anybody

25:30

prepping Mark Harrison and

25:32

Carrie it's they lived

25:35

through it this was fresh history

25:37

for them. But what was

25:39

going on at ILM

25:41

that's what's shocking to me so

25:43

that story must have been being

25:45

told to them somehow or maybe

25:47

they came out and visited I

25:50

really don't know but Harrison

25:52

has always had a natural

25:55

curiosity for the mechanics of

25:57

things. Not surprising. And he leaves no

25:59

stone. unturned if he's working

26:01

on a project and here you're

26:04

catching him in the moment. If

26:06

you talk to Harrison 2024 about

26:09

Star Wars he might be, whatever,

26:13

whatever, whatever he wants to do.

26:15

But here he's in the moment.

26:18

He's experiencing his own

26:21

history in real time along

26:24

with Mark along with how great

26:26

was it to hear Mark name-checked

26:29

the Clone Wars. Right. In

26:31

that just random

26:33

conversation. Yeah there's this story that

26:35

he disfigured because of the Clone

26:37

Wars and all of that. So

26:39

disfigured. I mean there was

26:41

never anything in the film that came up

26:43

that indicated Darth Vader was an actual

26:47

man. It was quite possible

26:49

he was a droid. Two filmgoers

26:52

of 1977. Did you think he was a robot? Or a

26:58

robot? People back then called it?

27:00

No we called them droids back then. There

27:04

was always that kid on the playground who

27:07

had an older brother who knew everything.

27:10

Oh. And the older brother

27:12

had revealed to us a lot

27:14

of information about Darth Vader. Especially

27:17

the fight on

27:19

a volcano with Obi-Wan Kenobi.

27:23

And the fact that he is a man

27:26

underneath that helmet completely

27:29

disfigured. So the

27:31

novelization, the George Lucas novelization

27:33

that was of course ghost

27:35

written by Alan Dean Foster

27:40

sort of reveals

27:42

that he is a man underneath

27:44

that. Is there

27:46

a review? Well they refer to

27:48

the fight on a volcano. That

27:51

is in the novelization. In the novelization

27:53

I don't think so. I

27:57

do not think so. reveal

28:01

of to us as fans

28:04

about Darth Vader's backstory suffering

28:07

his wounds as a result

28:09

of a saber duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi

28:11

on a volcano as it

28:14

was you know places there was no mother far

28:16

there was no lava play and

28:18

it was a volcano and the

28:20

word was was that Obi-Wan had

28:22

overcome Darth Vader and kicked him

28:24

into the volcano and when Vader

28:27

emerged he needed the

28:29

cybernetics to survive that first

28:31

appeared in a George Lucas

28:33

interview with Rolling

28:35

Stone magazine late

28:37

in the summer 77 did

28:40

it creep into one of the did it

28:42

creep into the return of the Jedi novelization

28:44

oh quite possibly yes maybe

28:46

that's what now now I think you're

28:48

on the right track yeah that novel

28:50

is a certain written by James Khan

28:52

who's from Chicago and who we got to

28:54

meet at Star Wars celebration 2015 when

28:58

you and me hosted the behind-the-scenes

29:00

stage for that entire that's right

29:02

James hung on with us backstage

29:04

and he was so cool and

29:07

I had my return of the Jedi

29:09

novel that I bought at

29:11

the Walden books back in

29:13

early 83 and

29:16

I had him sign it and you

29:18

know but he's a guy we never spoke to here on

29:20

the show I think that's what

29:22

I'm I think that's what I might

29:24

be remembering it wasn't in the novelization

29:27

so there's nothing in the novelization the

29:29

Alan Dean Foster ghost written

29:31

novel that would would

29:34

conclusively say that that Darth Vader

29:36

is not a droid in fact

29:38

is a person underneath okay the

29:40

only thing we knew about Vader

29:42

in 1977 was he was a former Jedi Knight he

29:44

was a former

29:48

pupil of Obi-Wan Kenobi's who fell to

29:50

the dark side he fought

29:54

in the Clone Wars yes

29:59

he betrayed it murdered Anakin

30:01

Skywalker. Yes, he

30:03

killed Luke's father.

30:05

That's pretty much it. That's

30:07

all we know about him. Doesn't

30:09

seem too droid-like, but it

30:12

could be. Well, you

30:14

know, with with 3PO walking around.

30:16

Right, right. Maybe. But no, he

30:18

did, he never did. Like

30:22

Dave Prowse never walked like a robot

30:24

or anything. No, never. He always

30:27

seems. And then there's the breathing,

30:30

which also indicates humanity

30:32

underneath the helmet

30:35

and armor. So,

30:37

you know, but I mean, these are

30:39

mad questions we were asking ourselves in

30:42

the summer of 77 about this film

30:44

and the uncertainty about it

30:46

all. But like I said, there was always

30:49

that kid on the playground

30:51

whose older brothers subscribed to Rolling

30:53

Stone Magazine and he

30:55

was ready to dish out the deets.

30:58

All right, Jason, we got somebody else on

31:00

the Switch 4. All right, who do we

31:02

got? We got somebody who wants to talk

31:05

about, I don't know, caller. What's

31:07

your question about who? For

31:10

Harrison. Yeah. His talk

31:13

with the, shall

31:16

we say, bird-headed green friend we

31:18

had in the cantina scene. That

31:20

was the most hilarious thing

31:22

I had to see with the with

31:25

the subtitles. That was Greedo, by

31:27

the way. Greedo. Greedo is his

31:29

name. Yeah, Greedo is his game.

31:31

And you're taking care of the

31:33

intercom and the detention center. Hilarious.

31:36

You had to be the most

31:38

fantastic guy. Okay, the force be

31:40

with you all. Thank you. Oh

31:43

boy, you know what? She understands

31:45

great comic delivery and timing with

31:47

his, we're all fine here

31:49

now. How are you? And then

31:52

Greedo, I Love that Mark is just like,

31:54

it's Greedo. You know, he just wants to

31:56

get right up in there. I Know these

31:58

names. Reno area here.

32:01

I agree the marts reaction I like

32:03

care is going to. Grieve.

32:05

His name greed is game but.

32:11

They they just seems a it's just it's what

32:13

a great time capsule because there exists on top

32:16

of the world. They know that they've got a

32:18

hit on their hands at this point. I don't

32:20

think they obviously you don't know what how big

32:22

of a hit but they know they have a

32:25

it. And. Yes,

32:27

just as as incredible as I can

32:29

say. It's a time capsule so check

32:31

it out as your patriot member. All

32:34

Access tears. The entire interview can be

32:36

a listen to and what it would

32:38

treasure it is. And the fact that

32:40

we're kind of exclusively on Earth thing

32:43

at your and Rebel Force radio probably

32:45

hasn't been heard since. Ah Jim. Any

32:47

evidence is this has been heard since

32:49

Seventy Seven. None whatsoever. All we have

32:52

these the reel to reel tape. as

32:54

far as I know on the first one

32:57

to digitize it. And. Make it

32:59

listen A bowl for audiences in

33:01

the here in this century. It's

33:03

all right. Well hey I'm think

33:05

it is a speaking of string

33:07

seat up Pinocchio or and all

33:10

of that is did you go

33:12

to this Disney One Hundred exhibition.

33:14

Those. This was the Saw

33:17

though we're about was a

33:19

great time. It's a place

33:21

called Exhibition Hub and the

33:24

Walt Disney Archives his open

33:26

up. it's vault of various

33:28

film treasures, props, arts, the

33:30

times of great objects, some

33:33

of the Disney crown jewels

33:35

or on display. Hundred Years

33:37

Said from Missouri to Dad's

33:40

Itself Room Hundred Years. It's.

33:42

interactive it's funny goes all the

33:44

way back to things like the

33:47

original snow white the seven dwarves

33:49

all the way of zeus for

33:51

ants disney stuff and even pixar

33:53

star wars in marvel it was

33:55

a great time to ago see

33:58

this exhibits i believe it closes

34:00

this weekend. Oh, all

34:02

right. If you're listening to this, you

34:05

only have probably hours, maybe a day or

34:07

so to check it out for yourself. Right,

34:10

maybe. Is this a traveling exhibit? Is

34:12

this something that might be going elsewhere?

34:14

It's going to Kansas City next. Okay.

34:16

And it's currently on display in London,

34:19

but that's as far as the reach goes.

34:22

And it was a really cool exhibit.

34:25

It's had all these great classic Disney

34:27

artifacts like at

34:30

the beginning of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves,

34:32

they have this book that opens up and

34:35

they have the book prop there. Oh,

34:37

wow. You can look at

34:39

it and see all the detail and lots

34:41

of costumes and artwork

34:44

from classic Disney films

34:46

like Peter Pan to

34:48

the Dalmatians to even

34:50

newer stuff like Encanto and

34:53

things like that. Did you and the

34:55

whole family go out there? Oh, of course. Dylan

34:58

is a big Disney fan. Oh,

35:00

yeah. Oh, yeah. He was

35:02

definitely in his element at

35:04

this exhibit. So I shot some video of the

35:07

Star Wars display and I wanted to share

35:09

it with you. So

35:12

we have it going on right here.

35:14

This is, you see, this is the

35:16

entire display. It was about four or

35:18

five, six different little

35:20

things like Han Solo's dice from the

35:22

Solo film. I got to

35:24

pause this because I want to know. Okay,

35:27

here it is. This is the Oribesh dice.

35:31

Is it? Is that Oribesh? That's

35:33

the Oribesh dice. Not

35:35

to be confused with the original

35:38

dice. And I only say this because

35:41

I'm a proud owner. The

35:44

original dice maker, this was many

35:46

years ago prior to the sequel

35:48

trilogy coming out, the

35:51

original dice maker of the dice that were

35:53

seen on the

35:55

Millennium Falcon in A New Hope, they

35:58

were just traditional. gold

36:00

obviously but he Jim do you remember

36:02

this when he went out online and

36:04

said hey I'm gonna recast these just

36:06

for a limited time yeah I remember

36:09

you guys and I jumped

36:11

we I personally didn't but we got

36:13

a set and they

36:15

were cast out of the same mold

36:18

and what's interesting about this prop is

36:20

that at that time they were traditional dice like the

36:23

dice that you would find you know with a with

36:25

a board game in the sense that it has the

36:27

you know the one dot the two dots the three

36:29

dots etc and then when

36:32

this became a thing with

36:35

the force awakens and

36:37

by the time they showed up on the force

36:40

awakens they were these or a bash dice

36:43

so they were sort of redone in

36:45

a in a way but

36:47

so yeah these are the or bash dice

36:49

they show up again in solo as well

36:52

you know or bash didn't exist at

36:54

the time of the original Star Wars

36:56

film you actually see

36:59

English letters on certain

37:03

things like the tractor

37:05

beam controls that Obi-Wan

37:07

adjusts that's in

37:09

English where

37:11

did I think or best came about

37:14

for the Empire Strikes Back when

37:16

I think the first time we see it is

37:19

when Luke is flying

37:21

away from Hoth with R2

37:24

in the back slot of the X-wing

37:27

fighter and Luke starts

37:29

talking to him and you can see

37:31

the readout on the screen of

37:33

what R2 is saying that's the

37:36

translation all his beeps and boops

37:38

and it was in Oribesh and

37:41

it's been that way since

37:43

the original release in 1980

37:46

so that's when Star Wars I

37:48

would love to know actually the

37:51

origins of Oribesh

37:54

who actually came up

37:56

with the design it's an original

37:58

trilogy design I

38:00

believe for the most part, maybe it was

38:02

just random stuff at

38:04

first. I always thought... Somebody developed

38:06

it into an actual alphabet. Yeah, exactly.

38:09

I always thought it was a bit

38:11

of a response to, Jim, if

38:14

you recall, back in the 80s, the

38:17

early 80s, that's when Klingon

38:20

first became kind of considered

38:23

an actual language

38:25

and linguists were brought in to

38:27

expand it. The Klingon dictionary came

38:30

out and I always thought that

38:32

Oribech was sort of Star Wars'

38:34

response to Klingon. I

38:37

never felt it was the response to Klingon. I

38:39

felt that way when in the

38:42

expanded universe, in

38:44

the Karen Travis novels, she

38:47

had devised a language

38:49

for the Mandalorians called

38:52

Mandoa. That's right. I'm

38:55

like, now there's your response to

38:58

the Klingon freaks in Shrekidome.

39:02

Which I was one, you know, I got

39:05

the audio book, How to Speak Klingon. I

39:08

got that. You could get a

39:10

degree in it in some universities. That's true.

39:12

That's true. Now I never sat and listened

39:15

to try to learn it. I

39:17

got it because it was funny for radio

39:19

bits. It's true.

39:23

It's true. I get all the... So

39:25

there's an audio book version of the

39:27

Klingon dictionary. Wow. You

39:30

talk, you talk, you talk. All

39:32

right, let's get back to the

39:34

Disney 100 Star Wars exhibit.

39:37

Here's a poor puppet. And

39:39

when I see these things, you

39:42

know, Star Wars props, I

39:45

love to look at the detail. So

39:48

when I'm shooting video, I zoom

39:50

in big time to really get

39:52

a feel for the craftsmanship and

39:54

the detail and everything. And here

39:56

we see the dead black

39:58

stare of the eye. of the

40:01

pork puppet. Now here's BVA, this is the

40:03

real centerpiece of the exhibit.

40:06

I have an affinity for

40:08

BVA because Jim, do you recall

40:11

back at Star Wars Celebration, one of them,

40:13

right before The Force Awakens came out, we

40:15

happened to be looking

40:18

at some of the displays that were there

40:20

and just as luck

40:22

would have it, as we were looking at the

40:24

BVA, we knew nothing really

40:26

about BVA at the time. I

40:29

think maybe we'd seen the teaser,

40:31

that was pretty much it and some

40:33

of the original or some of the guys

40:35

that had worked on the original BVA puppet

40:38

or excuse me, model, robot,

40:41

were working on the display when we

40:43

happened to be there and we chatted

40:45

with them a little bit and

40:48

I remember one thing that came out of that was they kept

40:50

calling BVA to he. So we knew that BVA was a guy, was

40:53

a dude, but what a treat that was, that was really

40:58

cool. So I always feel kind of an affinity

41:00

for BVA because of that sort

41:03

of serendipitous moment we had. Well

41:05

it was a funny moment because I think

41:07

they were the guys who were

41:10

the actual performers of it. It is a

41:12

puppet, it's a puppet. They

41:14

attach these handles to

41:16

the thing and roll it around and

41:18

I mean there is a model

41:20

that used to be a remote control,

41:23

but a lot of the times it's

41:25

just these puppeteers who are

41:27

guiding it around and all of that stuff

41:30

gets painted out digitally. So

41:32

these guys were in there, yeah

41:34

they kept referring to BVA as he

41:36

and I remember at the time on

41:38

the internet there was a lot of

41:40

talk about BB-8

41:44

like shifting genders because they

41:46

changed the sound

41:48

effect that accompanied BB-8. At

41:51

first he had a very different sound

41:53

and then they switched it up to

41:55

more of a chirpy beepy thing and

41:58

people are like, Oh,

42:00

BB-8 sounds like, I

42:03

mean, it just sounds absurd to say it. BB-8

42:06

sounds like a girl now. And

42:09

so people were saying that and,

42:11

uh, but the guys kept referring to BB-8 as

42:13

he, and so I said, masculine

42:17

programming. And they were

42:19

just like, Oh shoot, we said too much. Yeah.

42:25

They were all weirded out about it. But

42:28

I think BB-8 does have

42:31

the masculine programming. I think

42:33

it's been, but just how cool that

42:35

we just happened to be in there

42:37

at the time that they were working

42:39

on that display. Yeah. That was crazy.

42:42

And it was a cool thing to happen.

42:44

So I zoom in, I want to see what

42:46

BB-8's little radar eye looks like.

42:49

And there's a lot of detail

42:51

in there. You see

42:53

the artificial scuffing and

42:56

aging of the droid

42:58

all around it. You know, this is

43:00

the work of artists. It's not actual

43:02

usage. Maybe some of it is. Here's

43:05

the cool thing. It's those books that,

43:07

uh, Ray had stashed away or she

43:10

found in the hollowed out tree

43:13

trunk on act two. Here's

43:15

one of the books they actually had on display.

43:17

It's like looking at, you know,

43:19

the original Bible or something. Wow. Zoom

43:22

into a very dramatic, but you see there's a

43:24

lot of detail there. Um,

43:26

and it's a very, the

43:29

craftsmanship of these props are

43:31

outstanding. Here's the Skywalker late

43:33

lightsaber hilt from the rise

43:36

of Skywalker. This is the one

43:38

that was split in half in

43:40

the last Jedi and soldered

43:43

together by Ray. And they

43:45

had a full first order storm

43:48

trooper set of armor

43:50

on display. So in my

43:53

video, I zoom in, I get a real

43:55

close look at what's going on with

43:57

this first order.

44:00

Stormtrooper and I get down to his shoes and I

44:02

see he's wearing Keds that have

44:04

been spray-painted. That's

44:06

once again, you know, very high-tech. Look

44:08

at that! They won't notice

44:11

on the film. Yeah, but

44:13

guys, this stuff becomes museum exhibits after a

44:15

while. You gotta really tighten it up. I

44:17

remember when people called it the uh... Eggs

44:19

that are spray-painted. They called it

44:21

the uh... Alright, and there you have the whole display.

44:23

But there was this one other cool thing at the

44:26

end. It was like this Hall of Mirrors that

44:28

was showing all of the Star Wars, all

44:30

these Star Wars visuals on it. You

44:34

know, clips from all films of the trilogy.

44:36

Look at that! And it was a real

44:38

trip to walk through this thing. And

44:41

uh... experience. And of course the

44:43

sound was... This is like Jimmy's dreams. If you ever

44:45

want to know what it's like to get a G-pad.

44:47

The Hall of Mirrors and there's the statue

44:50

of Walt Disney with Mickey Mouse. And

44:52

that's the end of the tour. So it was really

44:54

a lot of fun. Yeah,

44:57

so would you recommend this if you're in

44:59

Kansas City or... Oh,

45:01

absolutely. In the market for something

45:03

like this? Check it out. It's

45:05

great also. I mean, just, you know,

45:07

the Disney history is very thick throughout

45:09

the whole exhibit. And you see

45:11

a lot of things that you'll connect to just

45:13

as a person. And it's

45:16

a great walk through the

45:19

entire timeline of Disney from

45:21

the animation to the live action

45:24

to the parks. It's

45:26

all very... the music, the sound

45:28

effects, everything is very heavily represented

45:30

in this thing. More than 250

45:33

artifacts, works of art,

45:36

costumes, props. Just

45:38

amazing memorabilia. It's a

45:41

really, really fine display. And I knew

45:43

it would be of interest to us

45:45

as Star Wars fans to

45:47

see some of the Star Wars props

45:49

they had on display at this thing.

45:51

So always a thrill. I would

45:54

have preferred a little more original trilogy stuff

45:56

in there. It was all prequels, but you

45:59

know, you take... what you can get

46:01

and to see it all in

46:03

the flesh in person is very

46:06

impressive. Yeah, it's always a treat. It never

46:08

gets old when you see that stuff. The

46:11

exhibit they had, the Mandalorian exhibit

46:13

that they had at Star

46:16

Wars Celebration in Chicago was just

46:19

out of sight. Anaheim. Anaheim,

46:21

sorry. Anaheim was, I

46:24

think, probably, we said it

46:26

was at the time it was the best

46:29

collection of exhibits for any, as

46:33

far as all those artifacts, just absolutely

46:35

incredible. And it helped it was out there

46:38

in California where they shot the show so

46:40

it was easier. But yeah, it

46:43

doesn't get old. It doesn't get old seeing

46:46

that stuff. No, it doesn't. And

46:48

I was getting similar vibes from

46:51

seeing this particular exhibit. So if

46:54

you're in the Chicago area this

46:56

weekend, today or tomorrow, get

46:58

over to Exhibition Hub and check

47:01

out a cool Disney exhibit that

47:03

features Star Wars, also Marvel. There's

47:06

Marvel stuff there. I saw Captain

47:08

America's shield. Oh wow.

47:10

Very empowering, very empowering. It

47:13

was a great time, yeah,

47:15

and great for families. Awesome.

47:18

Awesome. All right, well if you're in the market

47:21

for more Rebel Force radio, there's one place

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right, the entire interview that

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highlights just a few moments ago, of

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47:45

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And that's just scratching the surface

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48:18

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48:21

10 Star Wars vintage toy

48:23

sounds with Joe

48:25

Dallas and Joe

48:28

quizzes me By playing

48:30

these electric sound effects that

48:33

simulate ship engines blasters and

48:35

cannons whatever and he made

48:37

me guess What

48:40

ship it was from the vintage Kenner era

48:42

so you could play along at home with

48:45

that I feel like in my memory. They're

48:47

all the same. They're all the same sound,

48:49

but I guess they're there they're Your

48:53

memory is pretty sharp. I'd

48:55

say also RFR

48:59

RPG is back with

49:02

we actually wrap up our most

49:05

current game campaign the

49:07

battle for whisper bass

49:10

it reaches its epic conclusion with

49:13

carnage surrounding him on the

49:15

battlefield Podcasters our

49:18

hero Podcasters has been

49:20

severely injured and his

49:22

only hope for a last-minute

49:24

rescue is grando

49:27

the Grand played

49:29

by Tyler Page So

49:33

will we escape certain death you have to listen

49:35

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49:38

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Q&A 200 with

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Tyler Page. We

50:03

decided to honor our 200th

50:06

episode of the Q&A featuring

50:08

a conversation with a special

50:10

guest VIP official

50:13

RFR show observer Tyler

50:15

Page. I

50:17

hate to throw these kind of

50:19

accusations, but I'm just a

50:21

guy that is doing the after shows and reading

50:23

all the chats. When Tyler

50:25

and his beard are a big

50:27

hit with the lady fans of

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50:33

all just, every time we

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show Tyler, all these heart

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emojis start showing up in the chat.

50:40

He is definitely a fan favorite.

50:45

Yeah. I mean, really, I've

50:47

seen it in real life, in real time,

50:49

right in front of me. So,

50:53

yes, that beard does attract. Now

50:55

he has trimmed it down. Yes.

51:00

His beard was so thick, he could fold

51:02

it over his face and watch the eclipse.

51:05

It was so, it was perfect.

51:08

But the eclipse of glasses, the

51:11

eclipse burned the beard off his

51:13

face apparently. So he's, you know,

51:15

he's ready for summer. You know,

51:17

he's not doing the ZZ Top anymore,

51:20

but give him a couple weeks. It'll

51:22

be back. But

51:24

it was great. We love Tyler

51:26

and we appreciate him so much for everything

51:28

he does here for us at RFR. So

51:31

I really wanted to get to know a

51:33

little bit about him as far

51:35

as his history in Star Wars,

51:37

his history with RFR, all that

51:40

stuff. We discuss on

51:42

RFR Q&A 200 and all the

51:44

RFR VIPs. Yeah.

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And we got the next

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And wow, we just we never take it

53:02

for granted. So as a little treat

53:05

I shouldn't say a little treat a big treat Coming

53:08

up right now. We have

53:10

the latest drop. That's what the

53:12

kids call it Yeah drop the latest

53:14

drop from puppet Lando. I didn't

53:17

even know about this folks You think oh

53:19

well, you know Jason's the co-host. He's got

53:21

to know about these things I don't know

53:23

until I open up my email and I

53:26

see that puppet Lando has been busy in

53:28

the recording studio and has

53:30

dropped his latest on

53:32

us and Apparently

53:35

it is a buckle up, baby

53:39

And this is epic, I mean this is like The

53:43

the peak I think of

53:45

puppet Lando's recording career at this

53:48

artistry has peaked I Can't

53:50

get bigger than this this show

53:52

this song not only features the

53:55

vocal stylings of a mr. P

53:58

Lando, but also for the features

54:00

on drums, bass,

54:02

guitar, trumpet, and keyboards,

54:05

RFR listeners. And

54:07

they all take solos. So listen

54:09

closely to this song. You'll

54:11

hear Ben Rolloff on drums, Joe

54:14

Dallas on bass and trombone, Ian

54:17

Savage on guitar, Charles

54:19

Maclean on trumpet, and Jeff

54:21

Ulistney on keyboards. Of course,

54:23

Jeff Ulistney also serves as

54:26

puppet Lando's producer.

54:29

And, uh, I mean,

54:31

really puppet Lando is Jeff's muse at this

54:33

point. Or maybe it's the other way around.

54:35

I'm not really sure. A

54:37

crowd sourced, uh, collect,

54:40

but this was a collaboration

54:42

that was crowd sourced across

54:44

the RFR listening audience. Yes.

54:46

Featuring additional voices by RFR

54:48

listeners. Wow. We'll go through

54:50

that roster after the song

54:53

is over, but, uh,

54:55

this is a team effort

54:57

led by our leader, the

55:00

puppet Lando. So

55:02

I, uh, am so excited to

55:05

present puppet Lando with the

55:07

rebel force radio orchestra in

55:12

his latest song. Buckle up baby

55:14

making his world debut here on

55:16

rebel force radio. All right, man. What

55:19

do you want to do? You want to do a, you

55:22

want to buckle up? You

55:24

want to buckle up, baby? Drums.

55:27

You ready to do buckle up, baby? All

55:30

right. Can I count it off? All

55:32

right. Here we go. Oh, one, two, three, four. Buckle

56:19

up baby, just

56:21

sit here at my side

56:23

Adventures calling us, so baby

56:25

buckle up Buckle

56:28

up baby, the

56:31

college city's on Buckle

56:33

up baby, for

56:35

the next couple of hours Adventures

56:38

calling us, so baby buckle up

56:42

The channels of the castle

56:45

run, only twelve concepts And

56:47

we'll go to my private moon,

56:50

we'll have lots of fun

56:55

Buckle up baby, the

56:57

empire's on our tail Buckle

57:00

up baby, oh

57:02

fellas, fuck this tail, we're going

57:04

to the city's on our tail

57:08

Shall we hold it? Here,

57:22

give me a little guitar Pull

57:39

that

57:41

horn

57:43

Chuck

57:45

Sue

57:50

Dallas, Vegas is the rebel face

58:04

It's all you,

58:06

Ben. How

58:23

about this band, ladies and gentlemen? Does

58:26

this get sooner than I do? Between

58:29

that key party... You

58:31

know what I mean. I'm

58:34

pretty sure you do. Take

58:39

it back to the top, fellas. Buckle

58:56

up, baby. I've

59:00

had a lovely night, and

59:03

that's just calling us.

59:05

So please buckle up.

59:07

We're going to need this scary

59:09

place, but it'll be safe with

59:11

me. This

59:13

beach travel is twice as nice when

59:15

you walk up any. Buckle up, baby.

59:19

Buckle up. Buckle

59:22

up. Buckle

59:24

up, baby! Buckle

59:26

up, baby! Buckle

59:29

up, baby! Buckle up, baby.

59:33

We're talking for a ride today, so buckle

59:35

up. One more time.

59:37

Buckle up, baby. Buckle

59:41

up, baby. Buckle

59:43

up, baby. Buckle

59:45

up, baby. It's

59:47

all right, just

59:50

hall it by my side. One

59:52

more time. One more

59:55

time. Give it up, boys.

1:00:02

Hey, look out

1:00:05

now. I

1:00:07

told you that would do it. I've

1:00:17

given a standing ovation to

1:00:19

this. Wow.

1:00:23

Swike is standing. I am. I'm

1:00:26

getting a standing ovation. Incredible.

1:00:30

You know, I love the Great

1:00:32

American Songbook. I love

1:00:36

stand-up singers Sinatra,

1:00:38

Bobby Darin, Dean Martin,

1:00:40

Tony Bennett, Sammy Davis Jr. And

1:00:43

now I think we can officially

1:00:45

say puppet Lando. He is definitely

1:00:48

taking his place amongst the upper

1:00:50

echelon of the stand-up

1:00:52

singer, the saloon singer. Incredible. And

1:00:55

in all seriousness, I mean,

1:00:57

the artistry and the

1:00:59

musicianship that our listeners have

1:01:01

displayed in this incredible crowdsourced

1:01:07

composition. It's incredible. Wow. Amazing,

1:01:10

amazing, amazing. This is definitely the

1:01:12

showstopper, the 11 o'clock number. Amazing.

1:01:17

It was really great. I got to

1:01:19

give props off again to Ben Roloff

1:01:22

on drums, Joe Dallas on bass and

1:01:24

trombone, Ian Savage on guitar,

1:01:26

Charles McAlie on trumpet,

1:01:29

and Jeff Ulistney on

1:01:32

keyboards and overall arrangement

1:01:34

plus additional voices by

1:01:36

loyal RFR listeners, Joey

1:01:38

Meyer, Mike Tenney, Rod

1:01:42

Stewart,

1:01:47

Josh Lick, Ron

1:01:49

Keplinger, Kennedy Drake, Jeffrey

1:01:52

Clark, and Todd Suds.

1:01:56

And this song will be made available

1:01:58

on Bandcamp. You can download it. and

1:02:01

support Puppet Lando and Jeffy

1:02:03

Listney and keep the studio

1:02:07

humming for more Puppet Lando

1:02:09

songs. We are still considering

1:02:11

that vinyl release. I

1:02:14

keep saying it and it's gonna

1:02:16

happen. If I keep saying it, I will... I

1:02:18

was looking over at the turntable here and I

1:02:20

was thinking, wouldn't it be great to spin Puppet

1:02:23

Lando on the old Hi-Fi?

1:02:26

That would be great. By popular

1:02:29

demand, it could happen. How many tracks are we up

1:02:31

to now? That's a good question. I think we have

1:02:33

enough for at least an EP. An

1:02:36

EP? Okay. We'll try

1:02:38

to see what we can get Cook in

1:02:40

here with the Puppet Lando vinyl. Just

1:02:43

to sort of pay tribute to the fact that

1:02:45

Billy Dee Williams, when he first started his career

1:02:47

in the 60s, put out his own album of

1:02:52

show tunes and soon-to-be

1:02:54

jazz standards and things like

1:02:57

that. Maybe

1:02:59

Puppet Lando is on that

1:03:02

same trajectory as Billy

1:03:04

Dee, the great Billy Dee Williams. Thank

1:03:07

you everyone who was involved in Puppet

1:03:09

Lando's latest hit, Puppet

1:03:11

Lando and the Rebel Force Radio

1:03:13

Orchestra, Buckle-a-Baby! Incredible.

1:03:17

Just imagine when Puppet Lando gets around to

1:03:19

writing his tell-all book. Billy

1:03:21

Dee has written his, but we don't

1:03:23

Puppet Lando get. I

1:03:26

can't imagine. Too hot for the publishers,

1:03:28

I would guess. This

1:03:31

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news for you my lord. That's good

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have good news. Alright,

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one of two trailers we're going to be

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looking at. Two big

1:05:39

drops. You know what happens? We take

1:05:41

a couple of weeks off on the flagship Rebel

1:05:43

Force Radio Weekly podcast and we get two

1:05:45

trailers. So, we're going to start off with

1:05:48

a video game trailer. This is for

1:05:50

Star Wars Outlaws. And

1:05:54

this is coming out of

1:05:56

Ubisoft or Ubisoft and Massive

1:05:58

Entertainment. An open world. AAA

1:06:00

console game set between

1:06:03

Empire Strikes Back and Return of the

1:06:05

Jedi focusing on

1:06:07

the main protagonist K.

1:06:10

Vess. Gun for hire. Yeah.

1:06:13

Gun for hire. She'll

1:06:16

work for the...any of the criminal

1:06:20

syndicates just to

1:06:22

get herself into in and

1:06:24

out of a lot of trouble. So

1:06:27

that was the description that

1:06:29

we were given a couple of months back

1:06:31

before we saw this trailer. Now we've got

1:06:33

the official trailer here. And

1:06:35

Jim, as I was saying at the top of the

1:06:37

show, these are relevant because

1:06:39

these video games as we saw

1:06:44

with Cal Kestis or

1:06:46

as you're fond of

1:06:48

referring to him Cal Kestis. Kestis.

1:06:53

Kest...Ketsup. Catfish. But

1:07:00

these things do have often

1:07:03

canonical ramifications. So we

1:07:05

want to take a look at this official trailer. We're also

1:07:07

going to be looking at that Tales of the Empire

1:07:11

trailer in just a few moments. But let's start

1:07:13

off with this one. And

1:07:15

I gotta say, you know, at first I was like,

1:07:17

well, you know, should I really care about this? I'm

1:07:19

not much of a gamer. Blah

1:07:22

blah blah. But there is a cameo

1:07:24

that shows up in this

1:07:26

trailer that I think is of great interest.

1:07:28

No, there's a few cameos in this trailer,

1:07:30

I think. And also, you know, we did

1:07:33

cover it when they first made the announcement

1:07:35

about this game and showed footage. I

1:07:38

think we universally decided that

1:07:40

it was something that

1:07:43

looks pretty damn interesting and might

1:07:45

be worthy of our

1:07:47

pursuit once it becomes

1:07:49

released. I've been trying to tell Wank

1:07:51

forever to play Jedi Fall

1:07:54

in freaking order. Yes, he's,

1:07:56

you know, he's still too busy with

1:07:58

his... his lifestyle

1:08:00

to let,

1:08:02

to let awesome Star Wars video games

1:08:04

get in the way. You know, it's,

1:08:07

uh, you know, what the, one of the

1:08:09

things that's cool in this outlaws is that,

1:08:12

um, as this character, as

1:08:16

KVESS, uh, you can

1:08:18

work for all these various syndicates, including job

1:08:20

of the hut. That's pretty

1:08:22

cool. And what's

1:08:24

also interesting is that you can sort

1:08:26

of make your own

1:08:28

path. Uh, in

1:08:31

this, although there is a

1:08:33

canonical ending that all players

1:08:35

will go through. So

1:08:38

that tells me that

1:08:40

obviously this has potential for

1:08:43

having some canonical ramifications in

1:08:45

the Star Wars universe at

1:08:47

large. Um, also of note is

1:08:50

that this is not one of those games.

1:08:52

It's going to take hundreds of hours to

1:08:55

finish. Uh, so that's

1:08:57

good to know. So this is, you know, I

1:08:59

wouldn't, I don't want to say this is for

1:09:01

casual gamers, but if you think you got to

1:09:03

devote hundreds of hours to it, uh,

1:09:05

you don't. So might

1:09:08

be more entry level, I guess. Takes

1:09:10

a little bit of the pressure. Yeah.

1:09:13

I mean, the big part of me,

1:09:15

when it comes to some video games,

1:09:17

especially the ones that seem like they're

1:09:19

never ending is the

1:09:22

commitment you make to the

1:09:24

game. And I'm not someone

1:09:26

who likes to leave things unfinished. You

1:09:29

know, says the guy who's been playing Jedi survivor

1:09:31

for the last year and sees no end in

1:09:33

sight, you know, but

1:09:35

Hey, I take my time. I savor

1:09:37

it. You know, it's like video game

1:09:40

time to me is something kind of

1:09:42

special and sacred. It's not something that

1:09:44

happens all the time. I don't want

1:09:46

to rush into it and worry about

1:09:49

what's going on outside the room. I

1:09:51

say, you want to make sure that

1:09:53

you have time for it. So you

1:09:55

can envelop yourself into the universe. And

1:09:58

yeah, it's special. I agree with you. you.

1:10:00

Yeah. And so you put aside that

1:10:02

time, you can lose yourself in the experience,

1:10:05

the environment, the action and everything. And

1:10:07

it's a lot of fun. I

1:10:10

don't just play video games as a

1:10:12

part of my day-to-day existence. When I

1:10:14

play, it's special. It's

1:10:17

like a treat for

1:10:19

me to be able to sit down. So

1:10:21

I'll stretch these suckers out for years if

1:10:23

it takes that. But I will finish the

1:10:26

thing. But like I said, Jedi

1:10:28

Survivor been playing it for a year. I see

1:10:30

no end in sight. And I'm good

1:10:32

with that. But I would like to

1:10:34

get it done with by the time

1:10:37

Outlaw comes out because this game looks

1:10:39

very interesting. Each

1:10:41

of you represents some of

1:10:43

the most powerful criminal organizations in

1:10:45

the galaxy. Like

1:10:48

Crimson Dawn. Yes,

1:10:51

it's the Golden Age for

1:10:54

the underworld. That guy. Golden

1:10:57

Age for the underworld. So this

1:10:59

is set between a new hope

1:11:01

and Empire Strikes Back. This is

1:11:03

considered to be a

1:11:06

Golden Age for the underworld, the

1:11:08

syndicates, all of that. Because the

1:11:10

Empire is more than happy to

1:11:12

let them sort of take the

1:11:14

lead and grab

1:11:16

all the headlines. And as

1:11:19

the Empire sits in the background and does

1:11:22

what it's doing in terms of taking

1:11:24

away people's rights and freedoms and all that

1:11:26

stuff. This guy is

1:11:29

a character from the Star Wars

1:11:31

criminal underworld who was

1:11:33

first seen in the actual Marvel Star

1:11:36

Wars comics from

1:11:38

a couple of years ago

1:11:40

that featured Kira and

1:11:43

the Crimson Dawn Syndicate War.

1:11:45

That was a story

1:11:47

thread that ran through Marvel for a

1:11:49

couple of years. And he's

1:11:51

someone who was an associate of

1:11:55

Crimson Dawn and someone

1:11:58

who Kira

1:12:01

tried to work with, tried

1:12:03

to manipulate,

1:12:05

you know, to act against

1:12:07

the huts, the huts and

1:12:09

the kids. So they were all like button

1:12:12

heads at this one point. And

1:12:16

when did that happen? This is, I

1:12:19

think this is a little bit

1:12:21

later in the timeline. Yes, it's

1:12:24

between Empire and Return of the

1:12:26

Jedi. That's where the Marvel Comics

1:12:28

has been focusing on for the

1:12:30

last few years. This game takes

1:12:32

place in that period. Yes, indeed.

1:12:40

But they're distracted by a rebellion that

1:12:42

won't quit. It's

1:12:44

an opportunity to make

1:12:47

me. Interesting, so you

1:12:49

know this, the

1:12:51

Empire, which is seems to

1:12:53

be more than happy to let the syndicate

1:12:56

sort of take the lead,

1:12:58

take the headlines. But at

1:13:00

the same time, the syndicates

1:13:02

themselves see this as an opportunity

1:13:04

to really flourish because

1:13:08

the Empire is distracted by

1:13:10

the rebellion, these seeds of

1:13:12

rebellion. It's whack-a-mole. They just

1:13:15

keep trying to pour water

1:13:18

on all of these little fires

1:13:20

that are erupting throughout their

1:13:23

galaxy. And at the

1:13:25

same time, the syndicates then are able

1:13:27

to sort of seize control and do

1:13:29

what they want to do, for the

1:13:31

most part, unfettered. And this seems to

1:13:33

be very much along the

1:13:35

lines of what Jim you were

1:13:37

referring to earlier about the Star

1:13:39

Wars Underworld series that George Lucas

1:13:41

had conceived of many,

1:13:43

many years ago. Right, yeah.

1:13:45

The Pike syndicate was supposed to

1:13:47

play a major role in

1:13:50

Star Wars Underworld as well. And

1:13:53

they've been revived. And I believe you see

1:13:55

a Pike, a member

1:13:57

of that crime family, show up here.

1:14:00

in this trailer at a certain point.

1:14:02

But right now we're sitting around the

1:14:04

table with Zarek Besh and

1:14:09

some other warlord. There's a pike right there!

1:14:12

But he's not wearing the cool helmet they

1:14:15

wear. He's got more of the, you

1:14:17

know, he's got the fishy head. And

1:14:19

I prefer the helmeted pike. They

1:14:23

were more mysterious, but

1:14:25

then they emerged without

1:14:28

helmets on in the Boba

1:14:30

Fett series. And so now

1:14:32

I guess that's how we have to look at him all the

1:14:34

time. I like them better with

1:14:36

the helmet on. They seem more mysterious, creepy.

1:14:40

Yeah, otherwise he looks like Akbar's

1:14:42

kid brother here today. Yeah, yeah,

1:14:44

yeah. The one nobody talks about

1:14:47

anymore. The family reunions. And

1:14:50

then we go around the table here

1:14:53

and he's naming off the various syndicates.

1:14:55

And that's, is that a Zeezor? What

1:14:58

do you call them? A

1:15:01

Falleen. I don't think that's a Falleen. But

1:15:04

this is definitely a weak way. Oh,

1:15:07

that's a weak way! Yeah. The

1:15:10

lighting is piss poor, so another

1:15:13

new thing that's going on with Star

1:15:15

Wars. And all across the board in

1:15:17

Hollywood is, you know, you don't

1:15:19

get to see the cool stuff no more.

1:15:21

Everything's in the shadows. Oh,

1:15:24

you go, all you have to do is adjust your

1:15:26

blah, blah, blah and your blah, blah, blah on your

1:15:28

TV and it's fine. Oh, and

1:15:30

that's the truth that how come every

1:15:32

screen grab I see online, even those

1:15:35

that come from official sources, are just

1:15:37

as dark and impossible to see. You

1:15:40

tell me I got to adjust something?

1:15:42

Adjust your eyes. Can't see nothing.

1:15:46

It's a golden age in the

1:15:48

end of all. The

1:15:51

Empire controls every corner of the

1:15:53

galaxy, but they're distracted

1:15:55

by a rebellion that won't quit. It's

1:15:58

an opportunity to me. And

1:16:03

here's K-Vess. K-Vess,

1:16:07

which is kind of a, I guess

1:16:09

a female Han Solo is sort of

1:16:11

the vibe that I'm getting. Exactly. Yeah.

1:16:15

Yeah. As if George

1:16:17

Lucas casted Jennifer

1:16:19

Lawrence as Han Solo

1:16:21

instead of Harrison Ford. This

1:16:24

is what you get. This is K-Vess.

1:16:26

K-Vess. K-Vess. Stop

1:16:28

for a second. What's with

1:16:31

all the female protagonists in Star Wars?

1:16:33

K, Mae, Rey. I

1:16:36

mean, is he a pattern here?

1:16:39

Do we sense a pattern? I

1:16:42

see a pattern. I hear a

1:16:44

pattern. Enough. For sure. All right,

1:16:47

here we go. K-Vess, the

1:16:49

underworld's favorite new scoundrel. Oh,

1:16:53

she's a scoundrel. Look at this. What is

1:16:55

this? This is a Soliston?

1:16:58

Yeah, that's a nine-num. He's a nine-num.

1:17:00

Yeah. He's a

1:17:02

cousin of nine. And you see why they

1:17:04

wear those floppy hats all the time is

1:17:07

because you don't want to be

1:17:09

looking at the scrotum head of theirs. What

1:17:12

did Billy Dee say in Robot Chicken? You're

1:17:15

like a short stock of pancakes. That's

1:17:18

exactly what he looks like. I

1:17:22

need it last. Who's this? Is

1:17:25

this the same dude? No,

1:17:27

this is a different one. No, that's another

1:17:30

scoundrel. And

1:17:32

he meets K for the first...

1:17:34

They're probably two bounty

1:17:37

hunter pirate scoundrel types

1:17:41

that have large reputations

1:17:44

and they're meeting each other for the first time, which

1:17:47

means maybe a collab

1:17:49

is in their future. She

1:17:51

pulls a blaster on him the second

1:17:54

she sees him and he's just sitting there

1:17:56

like having a drink, you know. Look,

1:18:00

Bash, their new... Rich.

1:18:04

Hmm. The Bash. Right

1:18:07

there, you? This is what I'm talking about. Okay.

1:18:10

This is, uh, they're introducing something new, I

1:18:13

think, into the canon here. Yes.

1:18:16

Their new... Rich. And

1:18:19

lethal. You cross

1:18:21

their bottom, Lero. Rob

1:18:23

is fortunate. Buy your free. This

1:18:27

job is a death wish. Okay.

1:18:30

Now check this out. This... This grabbed

1:18:33

my attention. I mean... So

1:18:35

we've got, uh, is she staring

1:18:37

at Han Solo in carbonite

1:18:39

here? This does take place between Empire

1:18:42

and Jedi. Yes. So something

1:18:44

puts her face to face with

1:18:48

the scoundrel, of all scoundrels,

1:18:50

Han Solo in carbonite as

1:18:52

he's hanging, I think, I believe, on the

1:18:54

wall here. At

1:18:56

Jabba's palace, I believe? Well,

1:18:59

it could be. Maybe not. There's

1:19:02

a whole side story that

1:19:04

goes on in the Marvel comics

1:19:07

about Boba Fett delivering Han Solo

1:19:09

to Jabba the Hutt. Like

1:19:11

a million things happen. And

1:19:14

Han in carbonite gets passed

1:19:17

around a little bit before

1:19:19

Boba is finally able to reacquire the

1:19:22

slab and deliver it to Jabba.

1:19:26

There's a whole scene going on. Even

1:19:28

Darth Vader plays a hand

1:19:30

in this, according to the Marvel comics.

1:19:33

So I think that if they're going

1:19:35

to be bringing in the

1:19:37

crime syndicate of the Zarek Bash, which

1:19:40

came from the Marvel comics, and

1:19:43

it's from this time period, they're

1:19:45

trying to stay consistent with

1:19:48

the comics. Okay. And

1:19:50

Han does get passed around a little

1:19:52

bit before he finally gets

1:19:54

reacquired by Boba Fett and delivered

1:19:57

to Jabba. It wasn't, you

1:19:59

know, no stopping. Crip that's

1:20:02

been to Tatooine there were

1:20:04

a few stops along the way. So

1:20:07

crazy crap happens. Like

1:20:10

have you seen the black series action

1:20:12

figure of Boba fat and he's painted

1:20:14

all black. Yes. Comes

1:20:16

with a yes. Yep. So

1:20:18

that figure originates from this

1:20:21

storyline in the Marvel comics.

1:20:23

I see. So he does a, he does

1:20:25

a redeco of his armor

1:20:27

at some point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's

1:20:29

how he disguises himself. It's

1:20:32

about as effective as Clark

1:20:34

Kent's eyeglasses, but it's all

1:20:36

fiction. The

1:20:39

same armor, but just painted black. Oh

1:20:42

boy. Okay. I'm

1:20:45

in. Here

1:20:48

you live and die by your reputation.

1:20:53

Oh, these guys. Yeah. Yeah. More pikes. Are

1:20:56

they pikes? I feel like they're pikes,

1:20:58

aren't they? Yeah. But

1:21:01

one appears to be wearing like ceremonial

1:21:04

headdress, um,

1:21:07

that like might be some sort

1:21:09

of priest or shaman or something.

1:21:12

Possibly this is a new pike, a

1:21:14

new type of pike. A super

1:21:16

bike. Super bike. Yeah.

1:21:18

Super pike. I think

1:21:20

so. It's such a quick cut. It's hard

1:21:23

to tell. But that

1:21:25

it's pike-ish. Very pike.

1:21:27

Twin suns. So I believe we're at that. So

1:21:29

we. And

1:21:33

that was an Aqualish. No, no,

1:21:35

a Calamiri. Yes. Yes.

1:21:39

A Mon Cal and a Cantina.

1:21:43

That's a pike right there. Helmetless.

1:21:48

Okay. The full frontal

1:21:50

pike is I can't get used to it.

1:21:52

I like them with the helmets. What's

1:21:55

with the full frontal? They're

1:21:57

showing us too much. Too much. That's

1:22:00

a big old punch too. She

1:22:05

has a little like cat-like thing So

1:22:09

is that gonna be the thing now with

1:22:11

a lot of protagonists in Star Wars? They have

1:22:13

a little pet with them This

1:22:15

is all because of Filoni and those loft cats

1:22:19

Look what he started. I Don't

1:22:21

know I would if I could exist

1:22:23

in the Star Wars universe and go

1:22:25

on adventures with my dog That

1:22:28

would be great. I couldn't think of a

1:22:30

better life. I mean chewing was the was

1:22:32

the original He was the original

1:22:35

dog copilot. Wait a minute. Are those

1:22:37

Gamorian toes? I'm looking am I having

1:22:39

a look at Gamorian toes Those

1:22:42

are Gamorian toes. Oh jeez

1:22:44

with a Gamorian flip-flop. Yeah

1:22:53

Too much yeah Right.

1:22:58

Oh, she's right over the ragcore

1:23:00

pit here She's

1:23:03

smart to step in front of it. She was

1:23:05

I do love the little Current

1:23:07

sense of humor that ironic sense of humor

1:23:10

that she displays here Very

1:23:18

modern very modern. Okay, what else we got

1:23:20

here? That's a

1:23:25

Me and Nick's Oh Nick's is the little critter

1:23:28

here. Yeah, Nick's She's

1:23:31

looking befuddled as Nick's

1:23:33

runs in front of stormtroopers Put

1:23:37

him on a leash. Oh No,

1:23:40

he just delivered her a blaster What

1:23:44

little guy is awesome? Look

1:23:46

at him. Yeah, watch he delivers her a

1:23:48

blazer Nice play

1:23:50

fetch I've

1:23:52

got to be some rebel to do that

1:23:55

heavy firepower in exchange. Oh

1:23:57

nice and usually all I get back is a

1:23:59

tennis ball She gets

1:24:01

a blaster! That's pretty

1:24:04

impressive. Yeah, oh I do like this Imperial

1:24:07

shuttle here. Yeah,

1:24:09

big ones those like troop transporter

1:24:11

ones. It

1:24:14

seems like a normal shuttle here to me. I

1:24:21

have to survive. This is

1:24:23

my one shot at freedom.

1:24:27

At freedom? Oh, oh now okay

1:24:29

that's a tell right there. Freedom,

1:24:31

why? A slave and

1:24:33

a dentured servant of some sort. And

1:24:35

a parent is? Maybe just the debt

1:24:37

that she owed. Like she owes Jabba,

1:24:39

like Han did. That's right.

1:24:42

Or the bad batch owed Sid. Right,

1:24:44

right. So that's

1:24:48

curtailing her freedom. She

1:24:50

needs the big payday to

1:24:52

get out from underneath the oppressive

1:24:55

gang lord. But

1:24:57

if we're going to pull this off, we

1:25:00

need the right ship. And

1:25:03

the right ship. Alright,

1:25:06

so she's got to assemble the right

1:25:08

crew, the right ship, and

1:25:10

go off on their mission together.

1:25:15

All she needs is a Wookie, an

1:25:17

old man wizard, a harm kid, an

1:25:21

aploid, a short droid. I

1:25:23

mean it is very, the archetypes

1:25:25

are speaking at me

1:25:27

very loudly and clearly here. For

1:25:30

sure. She basically is Han

1:25:32

Solo with boobies. And she's

1:25:35

going to assemble a crew that will

1:25:37

have similar characteristics to those

1:25:40

that followed the big three in

1:25:42

the original trilogy. Because

1:25:51

you were one of the best hunters in the Outer Rim. She's

1:25:55

more connected than you are honestly. She's

1:26:00

more connected than you let on, Sleerow.

1:26:03

That's right, Sleerow. What is Sleerow?

1:26:06

Sleerow is the leader of the bash.

1:26:09

Ah, okay. All right. Uh-huh.

1:26:12

He's top bash. He's,

1:26:15

he's, he's head of the bash. Okay.

1:26:19

He's the best of the bash. He's the best of

1:26:21

the bash. These

1:26:30

visuals are outstanding. They really

1:26:32

are. Commando droids. I

1:26:35

mean, if you think about it, Jim, if this

1:26:37

was an animated series, let's say this was a

1:26:39

trailer for the next project

1:26:42

from Lucasfilm Animation, we'd be

1:26:44

blown away here. Absolutely

1:26:46

blown away. It looks great.

1:26:48

It looks outstanding. And it

1:26:50

feels like Star Wars. It

1:26:53

does. Because it's, it's giving

1:26:55

a nod to those classic archetypes.

1:26:57

For sure. And the

1:26:59

tropes of Star Wars. They're

1:27:02

all live. It's a

1:27:04

list of the ages. So

1:27:06

I'm going to risk it off. Hold

1:27:09

on, Dick. Oh.

1:27:12

Sliding into the sarlacc. Was

1:27:14

that a sarl- it is a sarlacc. Check

1:27:16

that out. Yeah. That's

1:27:19

pretty impressive. You see the teeth? Now,

1:27:21

no beak. This is

1:27:24

pre-special edition. I

1:27:28

do got it. I got it a bit.

1:27:30

I do prefer Sans beak. As

1:27:33

much as if a little Shop of Horrors fan as

1:27:35

I am, I don't want it

1:27:37

to come into my Star

1:27:39

Wars. I do like the

1:27:41

Sans beak sarlacc pit.

1:27:44

You know what Billy Dee Williams is going to

1:27:46

say about the Sans beak sarlacc pit. I

1:27:50

know a lot about George after seeing that.

1:27:56

Yeah, he got George's number after seeing that

1:27:59

sarlacc pit. But yeah there

1:28:01

check it out deaf

1:28:04

trooper Those

1:28:07

are a cool little spider

1:28:09

droids small spider droids with

1:28:11

oh, yeah Illuminated bodies

1:28:14

is it like a little

1:28:16

more monk those aren't bow marm.

1:28:18

Those are spiders No, those are bull mark

1:28:20

monks, but they're similar in

1:28:23

shape, but much smaller Yeah,

1:28:26

and they don't have the telltale Brain

1:28:30

aquarium up front right right

1:28:32

the fishbowl Great

1:28:45

dragons. Yep great. You're right. New

1:28:47

year things lots of familiar imagery

1:28:50

here speeder bikes scoundrel

1:28:55

great dragon I Like

1:28:57

the pet that little pet

1:28:59

he has a tail he's got like a lizard

1:29:01

tail He's

1:29:03

he's like an iguana. He's

1:29:06

kind of like this multi-eared

1:29:08

iguana That

1:29:11

pals around and brings blasters

1:29:13

to cave s and

1:29:16

she seems cool Like I said

1:29:18

a little derivative of Han Solo of definitely

1:29:21

you know, it's it's a different spin and

1:29:24

a Game

1:29:26

that appears to be steeped in all

1:29:28

the tropes of Star Wars. Yep, which

1:29:30

is you know, it's it's a familiar

1:29:34

Neighborhood that you like to go back

1:29:36

and visit. It's you know, it's Star

1:29:38

Wars when you're there there will be

1:29:42

ample moisture evaporators Prove

1:29:45

my point but it looks

1:29:47

cool So that Star Wars outlaws coming out

1:29:49

at the end of the summer August 30th

1:29:53

Well, I have completed Jedi survivor.

1:29:55

Will I have completed it by

1:29:57

then? That's the real question, but

1:29:59

you can is your bets on fan bets.

1:30:01

I think they're taking the

1:30:04

odds are very much against my

1:30:06

success, but you could put your

1:30:08

money down. Yeah. Great visuals.

1:30:10

And certainly, um, you know,

1:30:13

this seems to indicate that there will be

1:30:16

some canonical connections

1:30:18

here. We already know

1:30:20

that, uh, Kira is,

1:30:23

uh, there's a still that's been making the

1:30:25

rounds, uh, that Kira

1:30:28

will actually be in this game.

1:30:31

Kira Kira from

1:30:33

solo. And if this is

1:30:35

taking place between empire strikes

1:30:37

back return of the Jedi, you know, what role

1:30:40

is she going to play? There's very

1:30:42

little detail out there. And we don't even

1:30:44

know, uh, at this point,

1:30:46

if, uh, the original actress, uh,

1:30:50

Amelia Clark, Amelia Clark, if she's going to even

1:30:52

be playing the role. We don't know that,

1:30:54

but game informer and some

1:30:56

of the other gaming, uh,

1:30:59

trades have been showing this image of

1:31:02

Kira, uh, in the game,

1:31:04

but we don't know as to, you know, whether

1:31:06

it be like Clark's going to be involved or,

1:31:08

you know, how big of a role she's going

1:31:10

to play, but she definitely is

1:31:12

gone, baby. So, I mean,

1:31:14

like I said, this is a terrain

1:31:16

that has been explored with the Marvel

1:31:19

star Wars comics over the last few

1:31:21

years. If you are

1:31:23

interested, check out their syndicate war

1:31:25

arcs and,

1:31:27

uh, go on the crazy journey

1:31:29

with frozen on

1:31:32

solo. And I mean,

1:31:34

I wonder if anyone actually told him all the places

1:31:36

he went to before

1:31:38

he got sold for Boba fat, and then

1:31:40

he ended up in the, there

1:31:43

was an auction for him actually an

1:31:45

underworld auction and see all you thought

1:31:47

was it was just a couple of

1:31:50

years in between movies and,

1:31:52

you know, that Boba Fett left cloud

1:31:54

city and went right to Tatooine. You

1:31:56

don't know the half of it. It's

1:31:58

like that Johnny. song. I've

1:32:01

been everywhere man, I've

1:32:03

been everywhere. Yeah,

1:32:05

so it's a wild ride. So it

1:32:07

appears that this video game will

1:32:10

have several connections to Marvel,

1:32:13

Star Wars, and let's

1:32:15

see how it all plays out. It looks

1:32:17

interesting. So it sure does. If I finished

1:32:19

Jedi Survivor by the end of August, then

1:32:22

I might sign up for this game.

1:32:24

I still have to play the Dark

1:32:26

Forces remastered though. Now that was

1:32:28

a game that meant a lot to me in the early

1:32:30

to mid 90s was

1:32:33

Dark Forces. Yeah, remember Dark

1:32:35

Forces 2. I got

1:32:37

my very first computer. Yeah. It was

1:32:39

an HP. I was heading off

1:32:41

to college in 95 and

1:32:44

it came with

1:32:46

a free copy of Dark Forces 2.

1:32:48

Wow. And boy, I

1:32:51

didn't know what I was doing but

1:32:53

I was sure having fun playing that

1:32:55

game. Yeah. And

1:32:57

it was very, I was,

1:32:59

you know, before special editions,

1:33:02

before so much of what we

1:33:04

considered to be the Star Wars Renaissance.

1:33:07

And I didn't really know what

1:33:09

I had there to be honest

1:33:11

with you. But Jim, you were

1:33:13

a little older than me so

1:33:15

you realized what was happening there

1:33:17

in Star Wars. I had full

1:33:19

awareness. But

1:33:21

you know what was interesting about Dark Forces? It was

1:33:23

released in 1995 and I played it on my Gateway

1:33:25

2000 and the terminal

1:33:34

was like five

1:33:36

feet tall for the computer if

1:33:38

I remember correctly. But I loved

1:33:41

it. It was my first

1:33:43

immersion into the Star Wars universe

1:33:45

since Return of the Jedi,

1:33:47

really. Yeah. This was 12

1:33:49

years after ROTJ and

1:33:53

I was just amazed to be

1:33:55

exploring the environments even as

1:33:57

crudely animated as they were. and

1:34:00

all definitely heavily pixelated and a

1:34:02

sign of the times. But

1:34:04

to me, it was an incredible

1:34:07

experience to have that at my

1:34:09

fingertips in 1995. And,

1:34:13

uh, so I'm really interested in

1:34:15

playing the remastered version of that

1:34:17

game, which has just been released.

1:34:20

And, uh, I haven't downloaded it yet,

1:34:23

but I still do have the old dark

1:34:25

forces on my desktop, just

1:34:27

a mouse click away whenever I want

1:34:29

to. Go back to the

1:34:31

mid nineties, almost 30 years ago.

1:34:36

Amazing. Amazing. All

1:34:39

right. Well, not to be outdone in

1:34:41

addition to Star Wars, outlaws, there was

1:34:43

a trailer drop for

1:34:45

the second season of

1:34:48

what we assumed was going to

1:34:50

be, and what was promoted to

1:34:52

be to some extent, tales of

1:34:54

the Jedi season two, but

1:34:57

what a surprise Jim, it's not tales

1:34:59

of the Jedi it's tales

1:35:02

of the empire. Yes. I

1:35:04

mean, I heard some old tales

1:35:07

of a franchise. I heard some

1:35:09

murmurs underneath the surface about this,

1:35:12

but I was just as surprised

1:35:15

as anyone when it was revealed

1:35:17

that that was the next animation

1:35:19

coming from Lucasfilm and it's

1:35:22

going to hit us just like less than a

1:35:24

month from now. So tales of the empire. Does

1:35:26

this, is this release

1:35:28

in place of season two of tales

1:35:30

of the Jedi, or do we still

1:35:32

have that to look forward to? That's

1:35:35

something I've not been able to find out is

1:35:38

tales of the empire. Is it just the

1:35:41

tales of. Franchise

1:35:44

now, you know, it

1:35:46

makes sense. I mean, there's so many

1:35:48

possibilities with it. Oh, tons of tales

1:35:50

of the bounty hunters, tales of the

1:35:52

Republic, tales of the new Republic. Tales

1:35:54

of the first order tales of the

1:35:56

Jedi tales. Yes. There's so many. It

1:35:58

reminds me of those. those books, wasn't

1:36:00

there a Tales of

1:36:03

series of novels back

1:36:05

in the 90s, Tales of Java's

1:36:07

Palace, I remember it being

1:36:09

one of them? So the

1:36:12

Moss Ice League Cantina, right, Tales

1:36:14

of the Republic, Tales of the

1:36:16

Empire, it was a compilation of

1:36:20

stories in paperback, but

1:36:23

this new Tales of the Empire seems to

1:36:25

be heavily focused on two characters. Barisofy,

1:36:29

fallen Jedi Knight Barisofy,

1:36:32

who was imprisoned

1:36:36

at the end of Clone Wars season five

1:36:39

for orchestrating a bombing on

1:36:41

the Jedi Temple in

1:36:43

which Ahsoka Tano was set up to

1:36:45

be the fall guy for. And

1:36:49

she was in front of a tribunal

1:36:51

and it looked bleak for Ahsoka until

1:36:54

Anakin Skywalker was able to get to

1:36:56

the bottom of it and

1:36:59

expose Barisofy as the

1:37:01

culprit. And Baris, she

1:37:04

felt like the Jedi were fueling

1:37:07

the Clone Wars and she felt

1:37:09

like the Jedi were being manipulated

1:37:11

by the Dark Side. She felt

1:37:13

like the Jedi were actually serving

1:37:15

the Dark Side and promoting their

1:37:17

way, losing their way, promoting

1:37:19

the violence of the war. And

1:37:22

she wasn't too far off. The

1:37:25

problem that Baris made was

1:37:27

instead of investigating it properly,

1:37:29

she embraced the Dark Side

1:37:31

herself, which is always

1:37:33

a big mistake, especially for

1:37:35

someone like Barisofy. Anger, fear,

1:37:37

suffering, that's the way it

1:37:39

goes. She'd never been

1:37:42

the same after the Brain Worms. Remember

1:37:45

that? The Brain Worms. The

1:37:47

Brain Invasion from season two

1:37:50

of Clone Wars? Or maybe

1:37:52

it was, no I think it was season two. On

1:37:55

Geonosis there. Right, right. Yes, which

1:37:57

was the fall. out

1:38:00

of that incredible the zombie

1:38:02

on the Battle of Point

1:38:04

Rain episode that was just

1:38:07

outstanding. Clone Wars,

1:38:10

you know Jason, it's really

1:38:12

interesting to go back and start

1:38:15

binging your way through that series if

1:38:17

you haven't done it later, you know,

1:38:19

all these years later because for as

1:38:21

well as you think you know them

1:38:23

it still hits you with

1:38:26

a freshness and just

1:38:28

great Star Wars storytelling. Yeah sure it

1:38:30

was a little patchy at times but

1:38:32

when the Clone Wars was hitting it

1:38:35

on all cylinders what a great series

1:38:37

that was some of the

1:38:39

finest Star Wars storytelling in any

1:38:42

format. So that's where you

1:38:44

get to set up for Barris Offee though we haven't

1:38:46

seen her since the end

1:38:48

of the conclusion of season

1:38:51

5 when she was imprisoned

1:38:54

and you know she took

1:38:56

the hit for that explosion on

1:38:58

the Jedi Temple clearing

1:39:00

Ahsoka Tano's name but

1:39:02

Ahsoka said I don't want

1:39:05

none of you guys because nobody had my back

1:39:07

in this thing and so she

1:39:09

walked away from the Jedi Order

1:39:11

altogether. Now I disagree with Ahsoka,

1:39:13

I think Anakin had her back.

1:39:16

Anakin's the one who he blew the

1:39:19

whole thing wide open and

1:39:21

exposed Barris Offee but

1:39:23

that wasn't good enough for Ahsoka, she was just

1:39:25

done with the whole thing. She figures if it

1:39:27

happened once it can happen again and so

1:39:30

she didn't want to have anything to do with

1:39:32

the crusty old Jedi and

1:39:35

she might have been actually

1:39:37

having you know a

1:39:39

sense of their eventual

1:39:41

demise. I think that Barris and

1:39:43

Ahsoka were sort of I think

1:39:47

in a way Jim they were sort

1:39:49

of sensing the same thing. Yes.

1:39:51

But their interpretations of it were a

1:39:54

bit different but Barris

1:39:56

Offee certainly has... you're

1:40:00

scratching your head saying well why

1:40:02

are they doing a Tales of

1:40:04

the whatever series and focusing on

1:40:07

Paris Offee she has huge ramifications

1:40:09

on Star Wars canon because of

1:40:11

her impact on Ahsoka

1:40:13

Tano and they're continuing it

1:40:16

through this through the series so if you

1:40:18

think that it ended with her being imprisoned

1:40:22

that's just the that's just the

1:40:24

beginning right so I apparently then

1:40:26

the Sith and the Inquisitors were

1:40:28

able to sink their teeth into

1:40:30

Paris Offee while she was

1:40:32

in prison they just said hey

1:40:34

you know we're her counselors now you know

1:40:38

right we're advocates for Paris Offee now

1:40:40

she was once a prisoner of the

1:40:42

Republic and now she's a prisoner of

1:40:45

the Empire and so of course they're

1:40:47

gonna be going through the the data

1:40:49

banks and seeing who is in custody

1:40:52

and what use they might be to the

1:40:55

new goals of the

1:40:57

prevailing powers right

1:41:00

so I put this on the timeline

1:41:03

somewhere within 10

1:41:05

years prior to A

1:41:07

New Hope to five years anywhere

1:41:10

from like 10 to 5 years prior to

1:41:12

A New Hope the

1:41:15

rise of the Inquisitors is

1:41:17

essentially what I think the

1:41:19

focus of the Paris Offee stories entails

1:41:21

of the Empire is gonna be all

1:41:23

about so let's take a look at

1:41:26

the trailer we'll try to burn through

1:41:28

it and provide some observations

1:41:30

and insights well do we before we do

1:41:32

that do we want to talk about because

1:41:35

we know this will be likely if it

1:41:37

follows suit of tales of the Jedi three

1:41:40

episodes will focus on Barris Offee

1:41:42

yeah three episodes will focus on

1:41:44

Morgan Ellsbeth this is true I

1:41:46

don't neglect to bring her up

1:41:49

we may want to break that down a little

1:41:51

bit so what do we what do we know

1:41:54

what what don't we know about Morgan Ellsbeth we

1:41:56

know that she's a night sister we know that

1:41:58

she has loyalty to the

1:42:01

whole legacy of Dathomir.

1:42:03

Dathomir was wiped

1:42:06

out during the Clone Wars. The

1:42:08

witches of Dathomir were destroyed by

1:42:10

the forces of General Grievous in

1:42:12

the battle droids. This

1:42:14

was an arc, Jim, I believe it

1:42:17

was supposed to happen in the Clone

1:42:19

Wars, but the series was canceled, and

1:42:21

I believe that the Battle of Dathomir

1:42:23

or the destruction of Dathomir was covered

1:42:25

in a comic book at some point.

1:42:28

Oh, that Darth Maul book? I

1:42:30

think so. I think you're right. I think you're

1:42:32

right. I'm gonna have to recommitment that to my

1:42:35

personal canon, and I've

1:42:37

read that thing like three times, for

1:42:40

some reason it doesn't stick. Maybe if it

1:42:42

was an actual animated show, it would stick

1:42:45

with me a little bit better, but yeah,

1:42:48

that was one of those discarded storylines,

1:42:51

and so with that,

1:42:54

you know, the separatists are the

1:42:56

ones who were responsible for the destruction

1:42:59

of Dathomir and pretty much

1:43:01

the extinction of the Nightsisters, and

1:43:04

Morgan Elsbeth is one of the

1:43:06

sole survivors. So this

1:43:08

series is going to establish how

1:43:11

she then connects to the

1:43:13

Empire in Grand Admiral Thrawn

1:43:16

and might even tell her personal

1:43:19

story about what happened on

1:43:21

Dathomir when the separatists attacked

1:43:25

based on some of the imagery we're gonna

1:43:27

be seeing in this trailer. I believe that's

1:43:29

the fact. Backstory for Ahsoka. Definitely

1:43:32

backstory for Ahsoka. Some

1:43:34

of the frustrations we had with

1:43:37

that first season of Ahsoka was

1:43:39

that so much of it was buried

1:43:41

in the lore, so much of it

1:43:43

was happening in the

1:43:46

past of the storytelling, and

1:43:48

very little of it was happening in the present.

1:43:50

There was so much that you needed to bring

1:43:52

in with you, and there was

1:43:54

so much that needed to be inferred

1:43:56

that it sometimes was challenging, and it

1:43:59

seems like this tale... of the Empire

1:44:01

is an attempt to connect some of

1:44:03

those dots for us. Right. Particularly

1:44:05

the relationship between Thrawn and Elspeth.

1:44:09

And then of course they'll mix in

1:44:12

Palpatine's grand plan to clone himself once

1:44:14

he dies. So there'll

1:44:16

be threads of that in this show

1:44:18

as well because there has to be

1:44:21

threads of that in every Lucasfilm production.

1:44:24

Even the stuff that has nothing to do with

1:44:26

Star Wars. I think they even talked about Palpatine's

1:44:28

clone in the Willow series. And

1:44:30

it's like, what? Who's Palpatine? Don't worry about

1:44:32

it. They gotta explain. We gotta

1:44:35

explain. Palpatine has a Swiss cheese

1:44:37

mess of a sequel trilogy that

1:44:39

we created. We're gonna spin

1:44:41

the rest of our existence trying

1:44:43

to fill those holes. All right.

1:44:46

Well, here it is. This is the official trailer

1:44:49

for the Disney Plus series Tales of

1:44:51

the Empire premiering on May the 4th.

1:44:54

Let's check it out. Why

1:44:57

do you seek Imperial favor?

1:45:01

Thrawn and Elspeth. Why do you seek

1:45:03

Imperial favor? This is Thrawn and

1:45:06

Morgan, I would assume a younger

1:45:08

Elspeth. We were wondering Jim, throughout

1:45:11

the Rebel Force radio

1:45:14

Ahsoka after shows, what

1:45:16

is the connection between Thrawn and Morgan

1:45:18

and Elspeth? Why

1:45:21

that loyalty? So

1:45:24

it's good to see here in Tales of the Empire

1:45:26

that we might see the beginnings of

1:45:28

that. If you

1:45:30

have the subtitles on, which we don't

1:45:33

have here, but if you have the

1:45:35

subtitles, you'll notice that in this sequence,

1:45:37

he's not grand Admiral Thrawn. He's just

1:45:40

Admiral Thrawn at this point, which makes

1:45:42

us, leads us to believe that this

1:45:44

is obviously prior to,

1:45:47

much prior to the events of

1:45:49

the Ahsoka series. Right. And

1:45:51

as I said, I'm placing this, the

1:45:54

series of these events, you know, five to

1:45:56

10 years prior to the events of A

1:45:59

New Hope. So Thrawn

1:46:01

hasn't worked his way up the

1:46:03

imperial ladder. He's still just Admiral,

1:46:05

not Grand Admiral, and you'll see

1:46:07

he's wearing the olive drab uniform

1:46:10

as opposed to the white one that

1:46:12

a Grand Admiral wears. So

1:46:15

this is the origin of his

1:46:17

relationship with Morgan Elsbeth and quite

1:46:19

possibly the origin of who Thrawn

1:46:21

is and how he rises through

1:46:23

the imperial ranks. Alright,

1:46:30

we see some battle going on here.

1:46:32

Clone Wars, yep. Battle droids. Battle

1:46:35

droids. What are the big

1:46:37

beefy ones? Super battle droids.

1:46:40

Super battle droids, right? Alright.

1:46:44

You're the go, my people. We're all

1:46:46

but destroyed. This

1:46:48

is likely that yes, the destruction

1:46:51

of Dathomir here that we're seeing,

1:46:54

which we would have seen had the Clone Wars

1:46:56

continued, but they did not.

1:46:59

Yes, Morgan Elsbeth. Not

1:47:03

a character we knew in the Clone Wars though.

1:47:05

Right, and here's a younger Morgan

1:47:08

and notice that she has the

1:47:10

markings of the Dathomirian

1:47:13

witches. Right. Which

1:47:16

we don't need. Right. Later they

1:47:18

apply that

1:47:21

stuff before the game.

1:47:23

Like the eye black underneath

1:47:25

the eyes of an NFL player, you

1:47:28

know. He doesn't always have it, but

1:47:30

when it's game time he's got that

1:47:32

stuff on his face. That's

1:47:34

how it is. Or you know like tribal

1:47:36

war paint. Sure. Hmm,

1:47:42

so total destruction happening

1:47:44

here. This guy looks cool.

1:47:47

I don't know, you know. He's an

1:47:49

incinerator. I would have called him a

1:47:51

trooper. He lacks that kind of

1:47:54

mystique and cool look. He

1:47:57

looks more like somebody

1:47:59

who works down. in the boiler room

1:48:01

yeah right you know oh yeah

1:48:04

that's that's Raymond down from the

1:48:06

boiler room and he's got a

1:48:08

flamethrower look out yeah so

1:48:12

here's Morgan

1:48:16

Ellsbeth looking at the the

1:48:19

carnage and the destruction

1:48:21

perhaps here of Dathomir

1:48:23

in the aftermath yeah that's

1:48:26

what's happening is

1:48:28

that strike? I

1:48:31

offer the Empire ah

1:48:34

okay so here's a continuation

1:48:36

of that discussion so what

1:48:38

fuels her loyalty to Thrawn?

1:48:40

Her loyalty to Thrawn is

1:48:42

based on her aligning

1:48:45