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it's rico daily

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madam clerk justice

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for a couple years now about forty percent

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of workers in the united states had been rocking

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the business on top pajamas

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on the bottom look i'm one of up

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in , almost every episode

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rico daily that i've hosted has been

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taped from the cozy confines of my

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closet in brooklyn brooklyn

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they've got they've hang of it over the years

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and i'm not the only one who's feeling

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more confident ronnie

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bola see your data reporter for he code

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and a fellow work from home her husband

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going for the other remote workers out there

1:13

generally people who work from home or saying

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that they've become more productive than

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they were when they were thrown into remote work

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at the beginning of two twenty earlier

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, they said they're about five percent more

1:24

productive and now they're a whole ten percent

1:26

more productive at the same time same lot

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of companies are also asking that

1:30

their office workers come back into the authors

1:33

said there's said lot of tension there

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how do we know that workers are actually

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more productive at home like how

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do you even measure that we

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know that

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they're saying they're more productive

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there's the stanford professor nicholas blue man

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he and some other academics has been asking

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knowledge workers people who work on their computers

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over the course of the pandemic how productive they've

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been relative working in the office

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okay will not to be a debbie downer your

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but it's totally subjective you can feel more

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productive at home but that doesn't necessarily

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mean the you are more productive at home just

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take the saida with a grain of salt vast

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majority of people had ten work from home want

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to work from home so you know they made say

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of course a more productive there are but we

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do have more objective measurements

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there's information about software engineers

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pushing code and that went

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up when they work from home nicholas bloom

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also has some say that that preceded the pandemic

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about call center workers and all things

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being equal they were more productive

2:34

if they got to work from home then they wanted to work from

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home is also data from the bureau

2:39

of labor statistics that looks at output

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per hour worked and that's gone up as

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well and that's just the general measure of productivity

2:46

okay bureau of labor statistics sounds

2:48

reliable this is what they do

2:51

so that's one point for remote workers

2:54

were the bosses say what data are they bringing

2:56

to the table that backs up the

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demand or even commands

3:01

to returned offices so they

3:03

mostly have

3:04

them over to the side of okay you

3:06

can be mostly productive working

3:08

from home that was sort of prove

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and out because we've been doing it for the last

3:13

two and a half years but there's some

3:15

other stuff that is a bit harder to

3:17

measure things like creativity

3:19

and innovation loyalty

3:21

to your company like how

3:24

you know working from home isolated from her colleagues

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impacts your company's

3:28

culture they're worried about that sorta

3:30

stuff sure but could you also argue

3:32

that letting workers stay remote if

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that's what they want to do is a great way to

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build loyalty since they've identified

3:39

work from home is something that really matters to

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them

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totally and we have some data that backs

3:43

that up to say the

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wax is also been continuously

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measuring the sentiment of knowledge workers

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and they found that people working

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from home have a much better experience

3:54

of work now that people

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have been called back to the office

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rankings of the experience have really

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dropped through the floor the reporting

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there were simply experience since like began

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collecting the stay there

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i've definitely heard about that from some

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of my friends who have to go back just a couple

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days a week dirt required to and

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they absolutely hate it but

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let's take let's take back the labor market

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continues to be really tight so i would

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imagine that workers

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are continuing to use their

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the power in their favor to negotiate

4:26

more flexibility when it comes to working from

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home yeah absolutely at there are a

4:31

bunch of remote job listings a think

4:33

it's something like twenty percent of jobless things on

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linked in our for remote work

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and they're getting more than half of the applicants

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so if your you know the having

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a hard time hiring people amid the

4:44

great resignation or the great reshuffle

4:46

you might want to offer remote workspaces

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you'll get a lot more attention and a lot more people

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applying a lot of

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people say they would quit their jobs if they were made

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to go back

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the full time and then anecdotally

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i'm hearing from people that returned to work this isn't

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actually happening you know lot of and players are

5:02

saying okay gotta come in two or

5:04

three days a week so people are coming in like

5:06

one or two days and there

5:08

doesn't seem to be much punishment going on

5:10

known really a sickie it that seriously known

5:13

ten and knows where to draw the line the

5:15

often other companies even like apple which

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has been a little bit tighter about it's remote

5:19

work policy then other smaller

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tech companies has had to walk

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there's back a little bit just because they've gotten so

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much opposition

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what happens is a balance of power changes

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by the economy is on the verge of going

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downhill i think they were rolling

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in that direction for sure

5:36

what happened then what happens if the labor market

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isn't so type and companies are struggling

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yeah it's a balance of power changes

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and employees have less leverage

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they'll certainly have less leverage to ask

5:47

to work for mostly you know you could see a

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future in which companies are cutting back

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and they are much more able to get what they want

5:54

and what they want is people now we'll get

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people in the office that said

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you could also make the argue that getting

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rid of office spaces or much leaner

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way to run a business you could save a bit

6:05

of money that way so potentially

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cost cutting measures could err on the side

6:09

of everyone's remote

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well run you been covering the work from home beat

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since the beginning of the pandemic and

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i know that you made some predictions

6:19

couple years ago when , want

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to hear about as i won't see what they are

6:23

but you remember like that the days when we're talking about

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putting a barriers and offices and like more

6:28

hand sanitizer and that's how we thought we're gonna go back

6:30

to the office they were so so young we love

6:32

it and now would you think they've been away

6:34

from the officer some suit a half years you

6:36

think that we're ever going back or

6:39

should we at at i just

6:41

want to say the things that sort of fundamentally chains

6:44

the another spin vaccinations the nature

6:46

of cover the spreading around as a little their friends

6:48

so that's a long way of apologizing

6:50

for maybe some bad predictions i made about what

6:52

the office mate look like but i

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don't think we're ever going to go back

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to normal and by normal i mean people

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expected to go back into an office by

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this week nine to five this

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just proven that you don't have to do that

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so even if you're willing to say okay this say

7:08

lot of good things about the office

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i just don't think there's like five days a

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week good things about the office and i definitely don't

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think your

7:14

the able to convince a workforce has been able

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to do so for so long to go back even

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if you really want them to and now it's homesick

7:21

we have the dated approved it we

7:23

can actually even be more productive at home even

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if we just feel that way yeah and now

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we have another thing that you could argue

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with your boss about ronnie thanks for joining

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us and for having me

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