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2:17

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2:21

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2:23

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2:25

guess. Alright. So with this movie, emancipation

2:28

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2:31

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2:34

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2:36

career. You guys saw the movie

2:39

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2:42

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2:44

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2:46

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2:49

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2:51

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2:53

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2:55

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2:57

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2:59

So it all started with this devastating photograph

3:02

that many say is the

3:04

first viral image.

3:07

The photo quickly spread across the country,

3:10

shocking millions with the horrors of slavery.

3:12

And exposing the line that enslaved people

3:15

were treated humanely. Peter's

3:17

portrait inspired many free black men

3:19

to enlist in the Union Army.

3:22

I I'll never forget the first time I

3:25

saw that picture. It was

3:27

so moving --

3:28

Yep. -- in such

3:31

a just heartbreaking

3:33

way. Yeah. Yeah.

3:33

And for that to be like the first, like, viral

3:36

image is crazy. Yeah.

3:38

So, emancipation is the story

3:40

behind the famous picture. It's

3:42

based on the life of a

3:44

slave named Peter. Give

3:48

thanks to God. Don't

3:52

know what is with us. I

3:58

will come back to you. You

4:08

walk the earth.

4:12

Because I let you. I'm

4:16

your god now. Slaves

4:20

awfully. We

4:24

must get to battle bush through

4:27

this one. There

4:31

are many ways to die in a

4:33

swamp. Please

4:46

persist. Running,

4:49

hiding, surviving. I

4:52

fight him. They

4:54

beat me. They

4:57

whipped me. They

5:00

braked the bones. In

5:03

my More

5:06

times than I can count. But

5:16

they never never break

5:20

me. Wow.

5:27

Wow. I have not seen the

5:29

trailer.

5:30

Raise. Yeah. There was some

5:32

deeply moving moments. Yeah.

5:34

It was rugged.

5:36

We

5:36

had some calls while you were shooting.

5:39

Yeah. I was

5:40

very concerned. You you you

5:41

you you you say

5:43

son? Yeah. He was just it was

5:46

Now he can he can say.

5:48

Yeah. What do I what? You guys been

5:49

around for most of my career. It's

5:51

like, as the years have gone

5:53

on, I've gotten more and more

5:56

locked into these characters for

5:58

longer -- Yeah. Period. --

5:59

periods of of time. And

6:02

it's just the weight of

6:04

this story, the weight of

6:06

these experiences, the

6:08

quality of the actors. Yeah.

6:11

It was emotionally, it was

6:13

physically, it was spiritually

6:16

taxing one of the first days

6:18

on set. There was a scene

6:20

with one of the actors, he leans

6:22

down in my face. He says, you a cold one

6:24

ain't you? And then he ad libbed

6:29

I was like, I

6:43

was like, Mexico. Right.

6:47

No. But it was like It's just me about that.

6:50

I was like, whoa. Every

6:52

actor on this set was taking it

6:54

really easy really

6:56

seriously -- Yeah. -- when the first teaser

6:58

came out as people were like, why another slave

7:00

movie? And it's like, this is

7:02

not a slave

7:03

movie. No. This is a Freedom movie.

7:05

There were some parts of me when you said you

7:07

were making a slave movie that I was like, mhmm.

7:10

Yeah.

7:10

Well, you know, originally, I

7:13

was considering doing Django. Did

7:15

you guys know that? Did you guys know? We

7:18

had a family meeting. We had a family

7:20

meeting about and we all talked about

7:22

Jango. Yes. Yes. Yes. Well, I

7:24

wasn't all the way in, but one of the main reasons

7:26

why I wasn't was the

7:28

looks on your faces because you

7:30

knew what that would mean

7:33

and those characters seep back

7:35

into the house. Yeah. So

7:37

I invited college students to

7:40

watch the movie and to share

7:43

any questions that it brought up for

7:45

them. So first up is

7:47

Devin.

7:54

I just finished watching the film, and

7:56

honestly, it feels like I just woke up from

7:58

a terrible nightmare. My

8:00

whole body physically hurt as I was

8:02

walking out of the movie theater. That's how

8:04

powerful the film was.

8:07

It's one thing to read about slavery

8:09

and all these terrible things that happened

8:11

in history books, but it's

8:13

another thing to watch it

8:15

right there on the big screen. Well,

8:18

how did playing a slave for

8:20

months on end with people

8:22

saying horrible and dehumanizing things

8:24

to you affect your

8:25

mindset. And what did you learn about

8:28

yourself? Oh, so

8:29

good question, Devin. Great question,

8:31

Devin. I was getting called the n word,

8:33

you know, a hundred times

8:35

a day by by very good

8:38

actors. Yeah. I know. But very

8:40

very good actors, you know.

8:42

It's rough. It twists your mind up. You have

8:44

to be really careful because you definitely

8:46

you definitely twist your mind

8:47

up. There's like a magic moment as

8:50

an actor you look for The

8:52

best way I can describe it is

8:54

like you feel the

8:56

character wash over you.

8:58

Yeah. It'll

8:58

be wardrobe, It'll be a scene, it'll

9:01

be the dialect, something. What

9:04

happened is we were

9:06

trying on the neck chains. So

9:08

we're it's, you know, six weeks before we're

9:10

shooting, and they're trying to get the right size and

9:12

the right weight. This

9:20

feels horrendous.

9:22

Won't be

9:23

too much work to find this character, putting

9:26

the chains on. Oh. As

9:28

a actor, you're always trying to find

9:30

a thing that makes you understand the

9:33

character on pursuit of

9:35

happiness. Chris Gardner took me to the

9:37

bathroom that him and his son

9:39

had to sleep in. Oh. And

9:41

I walked in the bathroom with him and I was

9:43

like, got

9:44

it. And as soon as those

9:46

chains went on, I was like, got it.

9:48

It turns off your agency.

9:53

You don't wanna step. You don't wanna

9:55

move. You don't wanna look anybody in

9:57

the face. It's

9:59

deeply dehumanizing.

10:07

Yeah. Yeah. That just put me

10:09

back in there. Yeah. That put me back in

10:11

there. That's crazy. Yeah.

10:16

Take a moment.

10:19

Sorry. Yeah. That that that that that yeah.

10:21

Wow. So they put it on and they're

10:23

doing so I'm standing there

10:25

and then he goes to take it off

10:27

and it doesn't work. So

10:31

it's locked on and my heart jumps.

10:33

Yeah. And I'm like, oh,

10:35

no. Oh, no. And

10:37

oh, no. So I'm sitting there. Now he's

10:39

running around looking for the keys.

10:41

And for fifteen minutes, I'm

10:43

stuck there in the chain. Mhmm.

10:45

And my heart is pounding and I'm

10:47

like, will do

10:49

not freak. Mhmm. Right? And

10:51

I'm sitting there, and then it's

10:53

like, I I got it.

10:55

It's like, I'm Will Smith, with

10:58

people running around

11:01

looking for

11:01

keys. And your heart is

11:03

still pounding and I'm still scared

11:06

Imagine --

11:07

Yeah. -- what it was like for Peter to have

11:09

that stuff on -- Mhmm. -- barefoot

11:12

and nobody cares. Yeah.

11:14

And it was like, whoop. Yep. I

11:16

got it. Yeah. That was a powerful moment

11:18

for you. Physical and emotional claustrophobic.

11:20

Yes. Absolutely. Really

11:23

dehumanizing. And haven't been

11:25

able to articulate why, but I felt

11:27

embarrassed. Mhmm. I was

11:29

embarrassed while I was standing there and I was

11:31

waiting, and it was emasculate

11:33

and dehumanizing all of

11:35

that, and it was, like, like, got it.

11:37

Yeah. Yeah. Got it. Once

11:39

you experience those things,

11:41

they go into the

11:44

the same banks

11:46

as your actual memories. You

11:48

don't have a separate place

11:51

for acting. Yeah. Your

11:53

brain and your body recognizes it

11:55

the same way it recognizes actual

11:58

memories. Right. You have nightmares about it the same

12:00

way and so it's all of that kind of

12:02

stuff. But six degrees of

12:04

separation was the only other time

12:06

in my career where I got lost --

12:08

Mhmm.

12:08

-- where I went too far -- Mhmm. -- with

12:10

it with a character. Yeah. I

12:12

wouldn't say I went too far with

12:15

Peter just lost track of

12:17

how far I

12:17

went. Yeah. Okay. Got it.

12:20

I got twisted up in there

12:22

a little bit. What

12:23

does look like for you? Like losing

12:25

track of that? You go into

12:27

a state, and when

12:29

you go that one click too

12:31

far, Will Smith disappears,

12:34

and then what happens is psychologically,

12:37

you go farther farther farther into

12:39

Peter and you don't realize that

12:42

you are slipping

12:44

away. Yeah. And then it's over and

12:46

you go back and you look

12:48

for you and you're gone.

12:50

Mhmm. Yeah. It's a it's a it's

12:52

a hard thing to explain. Right?

12:54

So what happens you play these characters

12:56

and when you play them

12:58

long enough, It's

13:00

like moving

13:02

to another country and

13:04

speaking another

13:05

language. If you speak the other language

13:07

long enough, you'll start to

13:09

lose

13:09

-- Yeah.

13:10

-- your native tongue -- Yes.

13:12

--

13:12

and phrasing. You can

13:15

forget how you walk Your

13:17

previous personality. Now your previous personality. Right?

13:19

And, you know, you can see when

13:21

actors get out

13:23

on that edge. Right?

13:25

When you you touch that

13:28

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13:30

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13:32

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16:10

is as far as I've ever been

16:13

with a character and you have

16:15

to actually train yourself to

16:17

be able to go farther and farther

16:19

and

16:19

farther. It's

16:20

a skill. I mean It's it's

16:23

blissful out there. Mhmm.

16:25

Right? To be in a scene and

16:27

you have that moment on camera

16:29

when you forget. Yeah. And

16:31

you're lost. It's

16:33

like it's blissful.

16:35

Except when they say cut and you

16:37

reach back for you, Yeah.

16:41

Right? And you it's a weird thing, but I

16:43

got I got out there to that

16:45

terrifying, blissful edge. Wow.

16:48

Mhmm. So I wanted to

16:50

show you guys in

16:52

real life some

16:54

of the brutal dehumanizing

16:57

devices

16:58

that were used during slavery.

17:00

When you say

17:01

in real life, do you mean, like, right now

17:03

here? Like

17:04

like, right real? Yes. Oh, no.

17:06

No. No.

17:07

No. No. No. I don't need to see that.

17:09

I just want

17:09

you have to know, so you have to

17:12

know.

17:13

Wow. This is insane.

17:16

Yeah. So

17:17

that would go around your

17:18

neck? Yes. Wow. Keeps

17:20

you from running. This

17:22

is,

17:22

like, the ones that were in the movies that had, like, the bells

17:25

on them and

17:25

stuff. Somebody would run. But, like, who even

17:28

dreams this?

17:28

It's, like, that's what I'm thinking right now to

17:30

make Here's

17:30

one we could build. Oh.

17:32

Filled a way to that.

17:36

Mhmm. Yeah. That's my

17:40

gosh. And just feel the weight of that, what it would

17:42

do on your neck. Imagine

17:44

somebody puts that on your neck.

17:46

They can take any of you away, they

17:49

could rape anybody they want, whenever they

17:52

want. For me as an actor, my

17:54

image was you guys imagining

17:56

being pulled away. Mhmm.

17:58

Right? Just imagine somebody

18:00

comes in here right now and

18:04

beats

18:04

me. And snatches

18:06

me away. And you guys don't know if

18:08

you'll ever see

18:09

me again. That

18:12

is the legacy of

18:15

slavery in

18:17

America. It creates generational

18:21

trauma Even on a cellular

18:23

level, you

18:23

know. It's been

18:24

proven scientifically. Exactly.

18:26

Yeah. As brutal as it is, there's

18:28

also the other side of

18:31

how resilient and

18:33

powerful -- Extreme.

18:35

--

18:35

that that blacks in America It's

18:37

incomprehensible, honestly. You

18:40

know? Imprehensible. Let's talk a

18:42

little bit about your physicality --

18:44

Yes. -- and what you had to go through to get your

18:46

body into the place, making

18:48

this

18:48

movie. Because Willow kept noticing in the movie,

18:50

like, he's getting skinnier. He's getting

18:51

skinnier. He's getting skinnier. Yeah.

18:53

You guys may remember I posted

18:56

out of shape. Yeah. The dead bod.

18:59

Yeah.

18:59

The dead bod picture was

19:02

my beginning of

19:05

preparation to lose weight for Peter. Okay.

19:07

I was probably two

19:09

twenty five ish when I

19:11

started. And at the lowest on

19:14

the movie, I got to one

19:16

ninety five.

19:16

Wow. For me, the physicality is

19:18

a big part of what makes people go whoa.

19:20

Mhmm. Yeah. You know, to

19:22

be able to transition

19:26

and manipulate your body as an actor

19:29

is a big part of the suspension

19:31

of disbelief for people and

19:33

actually being out in the

19:34

swamps. Yeah.

19:35

I'm sure you were just losing weight just being Yeah. Just it's

19:37

it's hot. It's nasty. You're

19:39

in the swamp. Your hands are

19:42

dirty. You don't really wanna grab food and

19:43

eat. Yeah. You were

19:45

really in

19:46

it. Yeah. Yeah. When

19:47

it went in there deep. It's insane.

19:50

What's the most impactful part of the movie for

19:52

you? So so there was

19:58

And it's all I can't even talk

20:00

about Peter without being altieri. So Mhmm.

20:02

But y'all see me cry all the time. Y'all see me

20:04

cry all the time. So Peter

20:08

said in his writings or

20:10

probably dictations to somebody, but

20:12

the the the things that exist

20:14

historically. Peter was

20:17

beaten into a coma.

20:19

Mhmm. And

20:21

in the coma, He said he

20:24

met God. Mhmm. And he's right in

20:26

the middle of the movie and he's been

20:28

running for a few days and

20:30

there's no food and no water and

20:32

out in the swamp. Mhmm. And he's

20:34

there and he's feeling lost and he's

20:36

feeling turned around and his hearings going a

20:38

little bit. And he stops and he gets

20:40

himself together and

20:42

he goes. Yeah.

21:20

And

21:20

he finds the

21:24

gratitude to praise

21:26

god in the middle of

21:28

that. Yeah. It was one

21:28

of the things that I

21:31

wanted to be able to share with you

21:33

all the ideas that I learned

21:35

from Peter. So the

21:37

concept is that nobody

21:39

gets out of this life without

21:41

having to bear their

21:44

cross, facts, Right.

21:47

So you may not have to

21:49

bear it to the level that Peter had to

21:51

bear it or to the level that

21:53

Jesus had to bear it. But the

21:55

only way to

21:57

be here joyfully

21:59

is to be grateful

22:01

for the cross you've been

22:04

given to bear, you

22:06

have to know that suffering leads

22:08

to salvation. Mhmm. Fully. And

22:11

the only thing that

22:14

would make you not reach the

22:16

promised land is

22:19

giving up. And Peter

22:23

knew and trusted

22:26

God

22:26

fully. That all he had to

22:29

do was bear his

22:31

cross with gratitude. He

22:33

was saying thank you god

22:35

in the middle of that. Peter's

22:39

faith throughout the whole movie --

22:40

Yeah. -- was something that really stuck out to

22:43

me -- That's a little bit. -- as a wire.

22:45

Peter has absolutely changed

22:47

my life, you

22:48

know. So yeah.

22:51

That's beautiful. I

22:52

heard a a great quote The

22:54

only way to be here is you have to learn

22:56

how to have an open heart

22:59

in

22:59

hell. Yeah. One

23:02

hundred percent. Yeah.

23:04

Here's a

23:04

question from a theater goer from

23:06

Los Angeles. What we got? My

23:09

name is Stacy Ramsey. I'm twenty

23:11

three years old. And I went through so

23:13

many emotions throughout this whole

23:15

movie, to be honest. Some

23:17

were sad, some were happy, sound

23:20

felt really familiar because

23:22

no matter what it is that you go through, there's

23:24

so many things, whether it's people, work,

23:27

family that try to break parts of you and

23:29

it's so important just to push through and not

23:31

let them break

23:31

you. I have

23:32

a question for Will. I just would really like

23:34

to know what form

23:37

of personal suffering did you tap into

23:39

to execute this role?

23:41

Wow. That's a crazy question. I don't

23:44

have thank god. Anything

23:47

in my life comparable to

23:50

what Peter

23:50

experienced. There's a universal suffering

23:55

that

23:55

-- Mhmm. -- I

23:56

think we can all connect

23:58

on. But I don't know

24:01

what I would actually do

24:03

face of that kind of demonic

24:05

level -- Oh, yeah. -- to be

24:06

really faced

24:09

with

24:10

The true darkness. I've had moments

24:13

within myself where

24:15

I've had to face things,

24:17

but, like, to look into the eyes

24:19

of that kind of malevolence. It's

24:21

that you're enlightened or you go crazy? Yes. Exactly. There's

24:23

no You gotta

24:24

be confined or it breaks you. Yeah.

24:26

Like, that's it. There's AAA

24:28

term Plato used that

24:31

puts those together divine madness.

24:34

Yes.

24:34

That there's a certain divine

24:37

madness that I was trying to

24:39

depict from

24:39

Peter. Because when you stop

24:42

and you pray in that

24:44

moment -- When you're being chased --

24:45

When you're being chased -- -- young people with dogs --

24:47

Yes. -- horses. --

24:49

that is a taste of divine

24:51

madness. Yeah.

24:52

That's what I learned from Peter, like

24:55

the the idea of

24:58

the darkness being the road

25:00

to the light -- Yeah. -- and facts.

25:02

So one of the most critical

25:04

moments in the movie for me

25:07

was the speech that Ben Foster's

25:09

character gives -- Yes. Yes. Yes.

25:11

Yes. Yes. Yes. -- telling the story

25:14

of his nigga house girl.

25:16

And what was so beautiful

25:18

about Ben's portrayal

25:21

is he loved

25:22

her. You can tell. And

25:24

what I love is

25:27

that you can see

25:30

his heart was taught

25:33

to hate. Yeah. Yeah.

25:36

My father is a

25:38

core nusker.

25:41

My mother passed when I was

25:44

young, so The

25:46

job of raising me fell on

25:49

her house girl. She

25:51

took care of me. She

25:53

fed me, she washed me, she

25:57

taught me things. She's

26:00

my friend. What

26:07

evening? I

26:10

asked

26:10

my father

26:12

if he could join

26:14

us for supper. And

26:18

he at way and said, then

26:21

work.

26:21

And I said, so we

26:22

could eat together. To

26:26

what she asked. Then

26:27

what? I didn't

26:32

know her. She's just a boy. But

26:35

he did.

26:37

He said,

26:39

first, they eat their

26:41

food. And they'll take

26:42

our jobs and then they'll

26:45

steal our land. We

26:48

give that so much as a crumb. They're gonna

26:51

take over the whole damn

26:52

country. Wow. That's

26:55

crazy. And then he goes on to tell the story and how

26:58

he

26:58

watched or die for

26:59

three years. Yes. Exactly. In

27:01

the

27:01

field. His father taught him

27:04

hate.

27:04

And through trauma. And

27:05

through Like You were in trauma.

27:08

It's like I just

27:10

couldn't imagine seeing someone you love

27:12

so much in the field dying for

27:14

three days. And you can't do anything.

27:16

Like that on a mild mind

27:18

-- Yeah. -- is

27:18

like a blunt force

27:21

trauma like

27:21

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emancipation. I hear he sent the red table a

30:01

message and I haven't seen it

30:02

yet. Uh-oh. Wow. Ben

30:05

is the total opposite of his

30:06

character. Yeah. Like,

30:09

who's that? The first

30:12

day of SET, was

30:15

staggering two hundred plus

30:17

background actors portraying

30:20

the enslaved I was walking past

30:23

men in chains

30:25

and in situations of

30:27

such tremendous violence.

30:29

And then I

30:30

felt him.

30:31

I didn't see him. I

30:33

felt him. It was will.

30:36

Onset. But it wasn't will.

30:39

Smith, as we know him, it was a man,

30:41

and that man was

30:44

vibrating. It's animal stuff, it's

30:46

hard to explain. But

30:48

I could feel the presence of this

30:51

man who is digging deep.

30:53

And I passed him and

30:55

I felt, well, I'm gonna

30:57

give him his space.

30:59

We didn't speak for six months

31:02

of shooting. What I saw with

31:04

Will is an actor whom

31:06

I've respected for for so very

31:08

long. I think does some of the most

31:10

important work not just of his

31:12

career, but of current day cinema.

31:14

This is a performance that

31:16

speaks to the human spirit against

31:18

all odds. To

31:20

fight for love, the fight of faith, the fight

31:22

to endure, and endure for

31:25

love. I'm blown away by

31:27

what Wilson Smith did in this film.

31:29

What I hope people take away from this

31:31

film is the worst thing that we could do is

31:33

not raise our hand, is not to have an

31:36

open dialogue. We must reflect on our

31:38

past in order to meet our current

31:39

day. And our current day is rife

31:42

with frightening similarities

31:45

of what happened during this

31:47

true story when it took

31:48

place. I happen to believe

31:51

babies are not born with hate in their heart.

31:53

hate has learned, that hate can be

31:55

unlearned, and compassion

31:57

can fill that void,

31:59

heal that virus and

32:02

we can remind each other of

32:04

our similarities or commonalities

32:06

with empathy. We don't have to

32:08

get each other wholly,

32:10

but we must recognize that we

32:12

were all flesh and

32:12

blood. We're not here for long. Let's

32:15

leave with kindness. Wow.

32:19

Wow. That's

32:20

crazy. That's crazy. That's

32:21

sad. That's sad at all right there. Yeah.

32:23

That was beautiful. That's great that he felt

32:25

you. He felt your

32:27

presence So my side of

32:30

that --

32:30

Right. -- his

32:34

interest

32:35

has my first job here in his

32:38

side. Right? So we were having

32:40

delays. I think we didn't even get a shot the

32:41

first day. Wow. There was

32:44

lightning, and there was heat, and we had

32:46

literally lost an entire day. So

32:48

I'm doing my, you know, thing.

32:50

And the extras, hey, thank you all very

32:52

much everybody. Blah blah blah. In my

32:54

mind, I was given my best Will

32:56

Smith -- Mhmm. -- and

32:58

then just walk past me.

33:01

Mhmm. And didn't

33:02

say nothing. I was

33:04

like, Oh, he

33:05

must he must not have seen me.

33:06

Yeah. Yeah.

33:10

And then for six

33:14

months. He didn't speak to

33:16

me. He didn't make

33:18

eye contact with me he

33:20

didn't say a word, he didn't

33:22

acknowledge me for

33:25

six months. But

33:27

when he did that first day, I was

33:29

like, Yep.

33:31

Got it. Mhmm. We're not

33:33

playing. This is real. This

33:35

is serious. We're not fooling around with

33:38

these

33:38

ideas. And I really credit

33:41

Ben for clicking me

33:43

into the next

33:46

gear of depth and focus. So

33:48

the final day, me and Antoine are

33:50

at the monitor looking at the

33:52

shot,

33:52

and Ben

33:52

comes over. He never came to the monitor

33:55

ever. Yes.

33:57

So I'm

33:57

hard. Well, he's there. He comes

34:00

to the monitor. He watches the shot,

34:02

and Antoine said,

34:04

I'm

34:04

happy. We got

34:07

it. And then I look over

34:09

at Ben. It's his

34:11

last day. He says, Nice

34:14

to meet.

34:21

Yo. Great job.

34:24

Crazy. Yeah. I was

34:26

like

34:26

yeah. Because it it was

34:29

like because, you know, We've been we

34:31

have been through that whole movie together.

34:32

That is crazy. Did

34:35

you guys talk at all after that? Well, you had to

34:37

You know, people come

34:39

up. He went home. It was his

34:42

last shot. It was his last day because he went

34:44

from.

34:47

Nice

34:47

to meet you. He wanted to,

34:49

like yeah. He wanted

34:52

to make sure that

34:54

I can this shall we stop and be on his

34:55

character? He is my son. Ben set

34:58

the tone for

35:00

everybody. Right? And he

35:02

wasn't going to his trailer. He was

35:04

staying in his tent on the

35:05

set, like,

35:07

all day long. Like

35:08

his actor like his character test. He had all of his stuff

35:11

in his character test. Well, you

35:13

taught me this. Mhmm. Great

35:16

great actors. Make everybody

35:18

else's job easier. Yeah. Yeah.

35:20

Yeah. Right. Wow.

35:20

Yeah. If you're

35:21

great at anything, you make it easier

35:23

for everybody. Absolutely. So that

35:25

was it. You guys did it talk

35:28

anymore.

35:28

No. Not until a few months after that. You

35:30

know, that we we came back together for

35:32

some press or something

35:33

like that. How was that?

35:34

I was like, who are

35:36

you? Who are you? You kind, sold you.

35:39

Who are you? Oh,

35:42

man. That's

35:44

crazy. So the brilliant director

35:46

of emancipation Antoine Fuqua

35:49

wanted to

35:51

say this.

35:51

Hey, Will, and

35:52

Rare Capital Talk. Here's a few thoughts about

35:54

an anticipation. I thought I would share with

35:56

you. When

35:57

people go to see this film, I'm

35:59

hoping they'll be inspired. And

36:02

experience the love story and see a

36:04

film about freedom and

36:06

faith and family as

36:08

well as story about

36:10

strength and Percovance.

36:12

The story of Peter is incredible,

36:14

a man that was

36:16

a slave, but was free

36:18

in his

36:18

mind, in his heart, in spirit.

36:21

Antwan is no joke. Oh,

36:23

no joke. Antwan said this is

36:25

what it's about. I

36:28

respect that. Yeah.

36:31

Antwan is a is a beast man. He

36:34

created something I think

36:36

is a a real

36:38

masterpiece. Yeah. It really is. The d

36:40

p Bob Richardson put

36:42

his thing down

36:44

with this movie. The cinematography.

36:47

Is insane. And I've never

36:49

seen any movie that just visually

36:51

looks the way that

36:52

this one does. Yeah. First. Yeah. One of

36:54

the things that that texture. The

36:57

tone. He said he

36:58

wanted to

36:58

drain the color out of

37:02

the

37:02

confederacy. Right. Or

37:04

that not to be glorified. Wow.

37:06

There's a great shot

37:10

with Peter firing a gun at

37:12

one of the last moments in the

37:14

battle with the American flag

37:16

going by the dark line.

37:18

Got it. And the fought

37:20

for this country. Right?

37:23

We fought and

37:25

earned our position in

37:29

this country. We don't have to feel like outsiders

37:31

here. Yeah. This is this is our

37:33

home. It's treated Right.

37:35

You're now. We're the

37:38

opposite. Of that.

37:39

And the thing is, like, no, no, no,

37:41

no, no, no, no, we are America

37:43

-- Mhmm. -- like,

37:46

own it. Yeah. And not

37:48

ownership in a way that is ours and not

37:50

other peoples, like, it's all of us. It's

37:52

easy. It's equally mine as it is

37:54

yours. Yeah. Yeah. We are a

37:56

part of the fiber of this

37:58

place. The

37:59

ownership has to be in our

38:02

minds. Yeah. In

38:03

the same way the emancipation has

38:06

to be in our minds.

38:08

Mhmm. Like Peter

38:11

was enslaved but he was never asleep. But he was free

38:13

with you. He was free with

38:15

you. Yeah. When I was growing up, you

38:17

know, because daddy

38:20

o was in the air force.

38:22

Oh, damn. Yeah. So daddy O raised me like

38:25

American. Mhmm. He raised

38:27

me with the idea if

38:29

somebody said, going back to Africa.

38:32

Nope. You go back to wherever your people came

38:34

from. I'm

38:34

here. Mhmm. You go back.

38:37

this conversation with people a lot of the

38:40

times where they're like, this thing that you're talking about

38:42

is so dark or this thing that you,

38:44

you know, our our shining

38:46

light on is so terrible, but it's like, we

38:48

can never forget about

38:50

the history of the

38:51

reality. Because

38:51

if you

38:51

don't know that those types of things are possible and people

38:54

can do that of

38:55

people. Yeah. Yeah. Then, you know, you're gonna have to move throughout

38:57

the world knowing history. You know what I mean?

38:59

Like, those who don't know their history are doing Or don't you

39:01

repeat? Yeah. Do you

39:03

repeat Yeah. There's another one I really love.

39:06

The one thing we learn from

39:08

history is that we don't learn anything

39:10

from

39:11

history. Yeah. Yeah.

39:13

You do

39:13

it all over again. Yeah. Exactly. Let

39:15

me do

39:16

it all over again. And I'm hoping

39:18

that it won't be

39:19

the case. Yeah. It was really

39:21

critical for me for you guys and really your

39:24

generation to see this

39:26

movie and

39:28

to understand the

39:30

foundations of

39:32

this story and what it means in this

39:34

country. Yeah. You guys

39:36

were born with a black president.

39:39

I remember when Barack Obama got elected,

39:41

you and we were crying and you guys

39:43

couldn't be we knew he was gonna

39:45

win. It was like you guys grew up in

39:47

a in a largely different era. So to

39:50

me, it's really important when you know where

39:52

you've been. It helps

39:54

you get

39:56

a better sense of where you're going or even why certain

39:58

things are the way that they

39:59

are. Yeah. Yeah. Right? But don't we

40:02

wrap

40:02

before we wrap? Yes.

40:04

We have a message from your biggest fan. A

40:06

message from

40:07

my biggest fan. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh.

40:09

Who

40:09

is it? Hey,

40:12

babe, this is your mama. And I

40:14

just want to tell you what

40:16

a wonderful movie in

40:18

anticipation is I just

40:20

couldn't believe what a

40:22

wonderful job did you perform because

40:24

Peter just came right through. And

40:26

I looked and looked and I knew it was

40:28

an old that as my

40:30

child. Mhmm. But Peter

40:32

just exuded through you and I just

40:35

oh, you just

40:37

left yourself and just became Peter when Peter

40:39

was in the swamp and he's

40:42

there and it seems like forever in

40:44

that water. And I wish I could've just gone

40:46

in and

40:48

just got me out to the camera. Will I know

40:50

how much hard work and dedication

40:52

you put into making this

40:54

movie come to life? I

40:58

can't wait for the world to see it

41:00

and learn from it. I'm gonna

41:03

tell everyone that I know that

41:05

they definitely need to go. I

41:07

love you so much, and I'm so proud

41:09

of it. And trey,

41:12

Shane, and Willow. My

41:14

mom loves you. Some real love you, mama. Pepper.

41:19

Pepper. Pepper. Pepper.

41:22

Pepper. Yeah. I'm so glad that we

41:24

were able to have this conversation. I feel

41:26

like I learned so much and that the entire

41:28

youth is gonna learn so much. Mhmm. A

41:30

anticipation is streaming now on Applebee's

41:31

class. Thank

41:32

you. Thank Thank you. Yeah. You ready? Oh, yeah. We

41:34

got that. It's a red table takeover

41:37

with my kids, Willow,

41:40

Jane, Trey.

41:42

I'm the boss. I'm the judge.

41:44

And we're talking about making a

41:46

movie. It pan it's the it's

41:50

the It's amazing. We're talking about the most grueling

41:52

and transformative book. No.

41:54

No. No. No. It's fine. It's

41:58

Willow. Because

42:00

you've got your plan behind me.

42:02

You've plan behind

42:03

me. Ad Liben is how we

42:05

got this out.

42:08

Alright? Me

42:09

and myself. That's why you messaged me.

42:11

Y'all are

42:11

here. Just kept

42:13

having sex

42:14

because I was angry.

42:17

Come on, kids. We got you. We got you. Are

42:19

being so immature. Making the

42:22

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42:24

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