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In 1989, two missing hikers were rescued from

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a mountain in Japan and were told the

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enormous SOS

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sign that they had built helped locate

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them. The hikers were confused revealing they

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made no such SOS sign, leaving investigators

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to realize that there was someone else

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on the mountain. Today we

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follow the confusing tale of the SOS

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sign incident. This is Red

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Web. Welcome

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back Task Force to another episode of

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Red Web, the podcast all about unsolved

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mysteries, cases, true crime, cryptids, conspiracies, a

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little sprinkling of aliens. They always make

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their way in there. I'm

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your resident mystery enthusiast, Trevor Collins,

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and joining me hearing this case

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for the very first time, Alfredo

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Diaz. A very interesting

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case. Yet again,

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I go, wow, there's just a lot of

1:01

unique mysteries out there. Never

1:03

thought about, okay, hikers, SOS

1:06

sign, they're found. They didn't make the sign.

1:08

Oh yeah. Instantly, my

1:11

mind, my emotions go, that's

1:13

eerie. That's creepy. Then

1:15

very quickly dives into the creepy section and

1:18

goes, oh no. That

1:20

means, because like that's probably someone

1:22

watching you, right? You think someone

1:24

just said, I feel like that's someone's watching

1:27

you, tracking you, being

1:29

close by. That'd

1:31

be wild. No, he's very wild. Back

1:33

up into the trees. I still can't, I've never

1:35

let that go. Scurry back up

1:38

into the trees. I hate that visual. But

1:40

like, I don't know, to me it just seems

1:42

like someone's just like watching you and then it's

1:44

like, well, you need help and it makes a sign

1:46

or whatever. But I don't

1:50

know, man, I'm already lost. I don't need

1:52

someone stalking me while I'm lost in the

1:54

woods. Seeing what

1:56

I'm doing, when I'm pooping, when

1:58

I'm rubbing my nips. I don't

2:00

need any of that to be like

2:02

seen by even someone that is unknown.

2:05

These are the things he does when he's lost. I

2:08

do when I'm lost, man. You know, you got to

2:10

really take full advantage of the fact that he's out

2:12

there. For sure. Bolderness.

2:14

It's interesting the take you have because I

2:17

mean, and that's the kind of meandering path

2:19

that I've walked you down with the, a

2:21

long story to history of this podcast and

2:23

conspiracies, but, but the story

2:25

is very strange. It definitely gets even

2:28

stranger. The more we talk about it,

2:30

but yeah, just to me,

2:32

I was gripped by the tail of hikers

2:34

and I've heard about this first many years

2:36

ago, but hikers being found and

2:38

they're like, Hey, that giant SOS sign you made

2:41

clutch move. And they're like, what, we don't, what

2:43

are you talking about? And

2:45

that's it. Yeah. I don't like that.

2:47

Like I'm interested to see what the SOS sign was

2:49

made out of. How big it, how big

2:51

was it? Where was it

2:53

in a correlation to like

2:55

their campsite? Um,

2:58

yeah, I mean questions. Oh yeah. We got

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instant answers for you only so that way

3:03

we can unfurl just a boatload

3:05

of questions on the other side of it. Yeah.

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so much and with that said let's dive

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into the initial disappearance on

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July 24th 1989 Two

4:37

hikers from Tokyo were reported missing while

4:39

climbing the path from Mount Kuro dake

4:42

to Asahi dake in Daisetsu

4:44

zan National Park Asahi dake

4:47

is the highest peak in Hokkaido the

4:49

northernmost island of Japan and it sits

4:51

at 2291

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illustrious meters or 7500

4:56

feet there we go. Yeah, I got you,

4:58

baby We're talking meters this time because

5:00

we're in Japan, but I'll bring those feet around for

5:02

you sticky little feet So

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the two hikers went off the path

5:07

and turned south toward the Chubatsugawa River

5:10

while rescuers were searching for them in

5:12

a helicopter They spotted a enormous

5:14

my own words SOS sign in

5:16

a clearing about four kilometers from

5:19

the summit of Asahi dake Or

5:21

two and a half miles the sign was made of

5:23

19 5 meter long

5:26

birch tree limbs or 16

5:28

feet long the letters themselves were 5 meters

5:30

wide by 3 meters tall or if you want to

5:32

picture it this way Fredo Let's just like lay out

5:34

a bunch of King's feet. Yeah, it'd be 16 feet

5:36

wide 10 feet tall Oh,

5:40

okay made with birch limbs But the image

5:42

that I have you can I mean check

5:44

it out here that sounds manageable doesn't seem

5:46

like it maybe I They

5:49

look like logs not like limbs

5:53

Yeah, I mean that's a big old SOS sign.

5:55

Yeah, so they got lost because they went off

5:58

of the path, right? Okay, so They're going

6:00

from one peak to another. Yeah. Common

6:03

path, little straight shot. For

6:05

whatever reason, they decided to go south, which is

6:07

kind of off into the wilderness. Not really the

6:09

appropriate way to go. Why do you do that?

6:11

Yeah. And then they got lost. And by the

6:14

time that they were found, or

6:16

at least where this S.O.S. sign

6:18

is, it's almost directly south by

6:20

a good ways from Asahidake, which

6:22

is that main peak there. So

6:25

notably, they were essentially in the middle

6:27

of nowhere. No trails nearby. So

6:29

they were out there wandering. Yeah, it's a

6:31

sizable S.O.S. sign. It

6:33

looks very clear. It's like a big,

6:35

huge clearing. So it's not like obscured

6:38

by anything. So that's nice, too.

6:41

Yeah. So just

6:43

to give you kind of a lay of

6:45

the land, and of course, Task Force, as

6:47

always, will provide a map online at redwebpod

6:49

on our social if you want to check

6:51

that out. I don't recall exactly how far

6:54

these two peaks are from each other,

6:56

Asahidake and Mount Kurodake, if you

6:58

don't mind looking that up, Christian.

7:00

But either way, several

7:03

kilometers south of Asahidake is

7:05

this S.O.S. sign. Now, this sign allowed rescuers

7:07

to locate the two missing people, and they

7:09

themselves were about two to three kilometers north

7:11

of the sign. So they were somewhere between

7:14

their intended destination, that peak,

7:17

and the sign itself, one to two

7:19

miles. Looking at the hiking path,

7:21

they're about 13 kilometers apart, which translates to just

7:23

a little over eight miles. But regardless

7:25

of where they were, when they were rescued

7:27

and they were told about the S.O.S. sign,

7:29

of course, the two hikers were confused and

7:31

said that they did not make any such

7:34

sign. It appeared that there

7:36

must be another missing person somewhere

7:38

on Asahidake, so Hokkaido police began

7:40

looking for whoever created the sign

7:42

that very next day on July

7:44

25th. Upon investigation,

7:46

police discovered broken human bones

7:48

surrounding the S.O.S. sign. They

7:51

appeared to have been gnawed on by animals.

7:53

Whoa, I was about to say, like,

7:57

I had to even think about someone else making a

7:59

sign for themselves. Mm-hmm, but

8:01

also in my head. Well

8:03

if you made the sign you're probably close by

8:06

Mm-hmm bones being not

8:08

on I mean like right is

8:10

89 we have a little

8:13

bit of technology there like How

8:16

long were the bones there for? Great

8:18

question decay rate look like Can

8:22

we calculate like a time span

8:24

the time frame of like death here?

8:26

Mm-hmm. These are all great questions and

8:29

we're gonna explore some of them to the best of their

8:31

ability at the investigation at the time Some things were overlooked.

8:33

I'll go ahead and say it I don't think DNA tests

8:36

were done at this time and some of the tests that

8:38

they can do on bones are A

8:41

little inexact, but we'll get to

8:43

all of that but fantastic questions

8:46

So according to a Japanese blog these

8:48

bones Constituted the pelvis the

8:50

femur and the humerus so

8:53

a wide smattering here of human bones

8:55

But not all of them it seems

8:58

now it's unclear whether these bones were

9:00

broken before or after death because in

9:02

addition to being gnawed on some of them

9:05

were Obviously broken so police continued

9:07

to search the area when they came upon

9:09

a strange hole beneath the roots of a

9:11

tree about 50 meters or 165

9:14

feet from the SOS sign Sources

9:16

often describe this hole as just large enough

9:18

for a person to be able to crawl

9:21

into Inside the hole

9:23

there was a backpack containing toiletries two

9:25

cameras a tripod a notebook basketball

9:28

shorts a tape recorder slash

9:30

Walkman some cassette tapes and

9:32

Jewelry now this jewelry

9:34

by some sources is referred to as

9:36

an amulet So it's possible that

9:39

these were some good luck charms For example

9:41

the blog I mentioned earlier claims that this

9:43

was a sono shrine traffic safety protection term

9:46

Which is essentially something that in modern times you would put

9:48

into your car to offer you protection

9:52

I believe against just like car wrecks or against

9:54

bad traffic Christian. Do you know much

9:56

more about that one looks like they're meant

9:59

to protect So you really when traveling with

10:01

any means of transportation, car, train, airplane,

10:03

etc. Ooh. Oh.

10:06

That's good to know because something that will come

10:08

up later. I'll just go ahead and

10:10

throw out the T's, throw out the line right now, helicopter.

10:13

Oh, okay. Yeah. So

10:16

in addition to that bag with all those

10:18

goodies inside it, there was

10:20

also a human skull. Oh,

10:23

geez. And conveniently an ID

10:25

belonging to a man named

10:27

Kenji Iwamura. So now

10:29

the investigation begins. We have two hikers that

10:31

were found, an SOS sign that is shockingly

10:35

owned up by no one. It just seems like out

10:37

of place and out of time. But then

10:39

when looking closer, we have an individual here.

10:42

So let's look at them. Iwamura was

10:44

an office worker from Konan Aichi who

10:46

had also visited the area to go

10:48

hiking. Now Konan is 1600 kilometers

10:51

or a thousand miles south by way

10:54

of car of that mountain, way

10:57

down the island of Japan. Pretty far,

10:59

yeah. Yeah. It turns out

11:01

that Iwamura didn't show up for work for about

11:03

a week after he planned to. So

11:06

his parents reported him missing on July 10th, 1984. That

11:09

would have been almost exactly five

11:11

years prior to the SOS sign

11:13

being discovered. Wow. Like

11:16

five years and two weeks exactly. So you're

11:18

saying this sign is potentially five years old?

11:21

Yeah, potentially. This

11:23

case has gone a totally different

11:26

direction. The war, I thought it

11:28

would go. We've got, I didn't

11:30

even think about another person making this sign and

11:33

having it be their situation. If

11:36

I was in their situation, look,

11:38

excited that someone else was found because

11:40

of my sign. Loki kind of mad it

11:42

wasn't me. It worked. Yeah,

11:45

it's not for you. But also

11:47

years prior, oh man, how is

11:49

it not found for five years?

11:52

Right. Oh, and a

11:54

giant open clearing on this relatively

11:56

well known mountain. Yeah. Yeah.

12:00

Okay. So, he was 22 years

12:02

old when he went missing, and at the time police had

12:04

no lead so they had to give up the search. Returning

12:08

to 1989, the story going on, on July

12:10

27th police listened to the cassette tapes that they

12:12

found in the tree hole, as I'm calling it.

12:15

They were recordings from multiple anime

12:17

theme songs, including Magical Princess, Minky

12:20

Momo, and Macross. Friends

12:22

of Iwamura had known him to carry

12:25

recordings of various anime themes on him,

12:27

so this makes a lot of sense.

12:30

Eerily enough though, there was also a recording

12:32

of a man screaming for help for 2

12:34

minutes and 17 seconds. Jesus,

12:37

that is morbid. Yeah.

12:41

I mean, wildlife probably got

12:43

to him, I would say. Old

12:45

or something, you know. Potentially. Found

12:48

him in his little den, and then

12:50

just, ugh, I guess he just turned

12:52

it on to just give some kind of evidence

12:55

as to his final moments. Yeah,

12:58

we're not going to discuss it too much in here,

13:00

but when I was looking around some of these Japanese

13:02

blogs, and there could be translation

13:04

errors of course, a lot of

13:06

people were talking about the recording, and

13:09

the potential that it was inadvertent,

13:11

that while carrying the cassette player,

13:13

the recorder on him, that he

13:15

accidentally turned it on and or

13:17

off while in various positions

13:19

underneath the tree. So I don't

13:21

know if this was a deliberate recording, I just want to put that on the

13:23

record, or if it was accidental.

13:26

But either way, it is

13:28

definitely a disturbing recording of a man

13:31

clearly lost in the woods, desperately seeking

13:33

help, however his life may have ended

13:35

after this. So he says,

13:37

quote, S.O.S. Help me. I

13:39

can't move on the cliff. S.O.S. Help me.

13:42

The place is where I first met the helicopter. The

13:45

sasa is deep, and you can't go up. Lift

13:47

me up from here. So the voice

13:50

pauses between and enunciates each and every

13:52

syllable, so when obviously when you're yelling,

13:54

sometimes it doesn't carry the proper meaning,

13:56

the enunciation. And sasa is

13:59

broadleaf's bamboo. So basically what we're hearing is

14:01

a person calling out for help saying

14:03

that they can't really move because they're near a

14:05

cliff, so they can't go up, but can't go

14:08

down, and the bamboo is too thick to be

14:10

able to move through. And so they found

14:12

at the point of this recording, kind of maybe

14:14

a clearing where they're like, this is a safe

14:16

spot for a helicopter to get me. And

14:18

it's where I last saw a helicopter or

14:20

they said, I first met the helicopter. Again,

14:23

I don't know if there's a translation error there,

14:25

but essentially, maybe a helicopter

14:27

brought them there. I mean, the

14:29

helicopter. Yeah. Or maybe they

14:31

just saw a helicopter going by. Hence the,

14:33

you know, and this is also not exactly

14:36

where the SOS sign was placed.

14:38

And we'll talk more about that later, but

14:40

we'll just say it now. There's

14:42

no cliff side near the SOS sign.

14:45

Oh, interesting. So this indicates that this person

14:47

did eventually move. They recorded this and then

14:49

found a different spot to set up the

14:52

SOS sign in a clearing. Now most

14:54

of the items in the bag appeared to belong to

14:56

Iwamura. To substantiate this, the basketball

14:59

shorts, for example, were of his size.

15:02

I'm sure he's not a unique size, but either way, it

15:04

would make sense that they were his. However,

15:06

and this is where the case gets even more twisted. What

15:09

felt like a very simple case just keeps kind of going

15:11

down the rabbit hole. So when bones

15:13

from the hole were sent to

15:15

Asahikawa Medical University to be examined,

15:17

police assumed that they belong to

15:20

Iwamura. Makes a lot of sense.

15:23

Makes sense. Oh yeah. But

15:25

the tests revealed that the bones, including

15:27

the skull, from the hole belonged

15:29

to a woman between the ages of 20 and 40 with

15:33

type O blood. Further testing

15:35

showed that there might be bones

15:37

from different people in the hole.

15:39

And according to Asahi Morning Edition

15:41

from July 30th, the report also

15:43

showed that the woman would have

15:45

been about 160 centimeters tall or

15:47

five foot three and died

15:49

within the last one to three years.

15:53

So not long enough

15:55

to go all the way back to Iwamura.

16:00

I'm a loser eating. Go. Run

16:02

off and then a couple years later decided to

16:04

go on this hike. Me: he.

16:06

Came in build the Us O S. Went

16:09

home came back last know I was a

16:11

S O S bill five years ago. Are

16:13

we to say made could have been five

16:15

years ago because they're going off with the

16:18

assumption that he went missing and immediately went

16:20

to the So case right? But it could

16:22

have been you are missing or ran away

16:24

and in a couple years later found himself

16:27

in a situation could be eating Lawson for

16:29

us to be mans like the positive he

16:31

has I'll be honest ah player involves yeah

16:33

is as a whole nother thing I mean

16:36

the i'm thinking now or group got lost.

16:38

Bad. Situation. Entirely. Piano

16:41

and a from there. it's i self preservation

16:43

type stuff. I wonder. and this is

16:45

definitely a leap. Christian I don't know if you'll

16:47

be able to find this. But. Knowing

16:49

where we're going in the outline is it

16:51

possible to find out how toxins even when

16:53

I was. Because. There's discrepancies

16:55

with the bone test, right? And

16:58

you know you can look at the bones and

17:00

relatively size of the height of some if you

17:02

have the steamer first enough. proportionally you can kind

17:04

of come up with their height. And.

17:06

I'm very curious. You know we have somebody saying

17:08

well these bones look like the person die one

17:10

to three years he one where it was five

17:12

years ago. Because. Of some use

17:14

five three potentially as he is wildly

17:17

taller than that or shorter than that.

17:19

then we know and other players involved

17:21

and I sail that because while he

17:23

looks set up, when the university reexamined

17:25

the bones, they found that they were

17:27

from a male with Type A blood.

17:30

Well known others a consistency with the

17:32

bone right so and opens up a

17:34

lot of protesters. Were the testing conclusive

17:36

with a test flawed? Will talk about

17:38

that later. Or. As

17:41

you were going to getting it was it a group. Or

17:43

their various bones from multiple people. In

17:45

this one spot. Also. Incredibly

17:47

possible. While. This. Your.

17:50

like to hide or loss and then found

17:52

anyways that's not the main point we've got

17:54

this whole the island on how to see

17:57

this effect of the s as sign is

17:59

like It's like fate.

18:01

That this- We found you only because this thing

18:04

was here. And they're like, yeah, we had nothing

18:06

to do with that. You're like, okay.

18:08

Well, let's go poke around that SOS sign. See

18:11

what- Oh my God, there's so much here.

18:13

Yeah. That's wild. It's

18:15

like, forget y'all's story. He's like,

18:18

we just doubled upon something wilder.

18:20

Yeah. Well, this is where

18:23

the police ended their investigation. They believed

18:25

that with the recent re-examining of

18:27

the bones being type A blood,

18:29

being male, that they think that

18:32

they have Kenji Iwamura. And

18:34

that's where the official investigation ends, really.

18:36

Case closed. Yeah. So again,

18:38

it's a tall order to ask Christian. But

18:41

at the time, I'm thinking at the time, if

18:43

you know Iwamura's height and you know his blood

18:46

type, which his parents would hopefully know, then

18:48

we can start to cross-examine here. But looking

18:51

back, as Christian's kind of discovering, resources

18:54

to thin out, trying to find

18:56

the commonality, the through thread that

18:58

is a true path through the

19:01

story, it can be difficult. But man, those

19:03

are the questions I would be asking at

19:05

the time. Wow. That's a

19:07

good one. Oh, I get mysteries out there.

19:10

What a turn. Yeah. There's

19:12

a couple of other things I want to mention before we get to the

19:14

theories. But how we look

19:16

in Christian, it's okay if you don't come up with it.

19:19

I was just very curious if it's out there. You can

19:21

solve the mystery too. Right. Right. Just go ahead and just

19:23

tippy-tap on Google a little bit. That should do it, I think. That's

19:27

a very good question. Unfortunately, yeah, it

19:29

looks like both Kenji's height and blood type

19:32

are unavailable information, at least from what I

19:34

can say. Sure. I mean,

19:36

that makes sense. But it's always worth putting

19:38

the burden on you and see what

19:40

you find. So, like I said,

19:43

police ended their investigation. They believe that

19:45

Iwamura followed a path trying to find

19:47

a landmark called the

19:49

Safe Rock, which is used to mark the safe

19:51

way down the mountain. So if you

19:53

get off the beaten path, this is a known landmark.

19:55

You can even go to that spot on Google Maps,

19:57

type it in, especially if you type in the Japanese.

20:00

Japanese name it becomes a lot easier and you

20:02

can see it. I have photos of

20:04

them for you, however there is another landmark,

20:07

and I hate that I was venting and

20:09

ranting and raving with Jillian on this fact,

20:11

but there is another landmark that looks very

20:13

similar to the safe rock and guess what

20:15

it's called? The fake safe

20:17

rock. Why? Because

20:20

confusion is awesome, so it does not lead

20:22

to a safe lay down. So

20:24

this theory was pointed out

20:26

by Asahikawa Mountaineering Association Chairman

20:28

Kiyoshi Hayami. Iwamura and

20:30

the two hikers must have both been

20:32

following a very similar path trying to

20:34

get to the safe rock but instead

20:37

found the fake safe rock and

20:39

managed to maintain themselves in unsafe

20:41

terrain. And so you're looking at them now,

20:44

Jillian had to mark them because in

20:46

the mist you can see there's a photo of them

20:49

in the mist, nigh identical. So

20:51

there's like a rock and

20:53

they're both behind this just

20:55

diagonal slant on the ground.

20:58

Mm hmm. Misty on both sides. This is a

21:00

test. That's a test. I'm not

21:02

gonna fail. So this is the same image

21:04

just from one from the other side and

21:06

one from the other side. That's what it

21:08

looks like. It looks like the exact same

21:10

image and you guys just went I took

21:12

it from the front then I took it from

21:15

the back. And why does the fake one include

21:17

the word safe rock? Just

21:19

call it not the good rock. Just

21:22

bad rock. Just call it bad. You know what?

21:24

I told Jillian this I'm gonna go out there

21:26

and blow it up. Why is it there? It

21:28

shouldn't be there. It should demo that thing. Yeah.

21:31

It's too similar. Apparently people have tied a rope

21:33

around it to demark it and I'm like you're not

21:35

gonna see that from a mile away. No you're not.

21:37

But yeah. I mean like you could start with just

21:39

going up to it then I guess. Yeah. But

21:42

then again it's just like all right this one has

21:44

a rope. This one doesn't have a rope. Knowing

21:46

me and the way I overthink stuff it's like

21:49

well is this one the

21:52

bad rock because it's got yellow rope

21:54

so cautious. Right. I mean like I'm

21:56

gonna overthink the hell out of that

21:58

man. It's like Michael. Scott trying to

22:00

put on the board, don't bother, I forget

22:02

his name, but it was like, don't bother

22:04

Blake or whatever the name was. And then

22:06

he circles it, put across it. And then

22:08

he's like, well, it makes it sound like

22:10

you said, don't, don't bother. Like, all right.

22:12

And he races don't out of it, writes

22:14

don't on the outside, circles it again, crosses

22:16

it out and they go, okay, so don't,

22:18

don't, don't bother Blake, right? Don't not

22:20

do bother Blake. And

22:23

he goes, I can't make it any clearer. I feel like that's

22:25

what's happening with his rock. What's happening? I feel like I need

22:27

to give this to you as a test. But when you look

22:32

at them in the clear daylight, they're

22:34

slightly different, right? But even then, so

22:36

similar, if you even then though, you

22:38

go, okay, kind of like a rectangular

22:40

shaped rock sticking out of a diagonal

22:42

like slant in the ground. That's what

22:44

they both are overlooking the grand view.

22:46

Right. If you, if you showed me

22:49

both of those and you go, the one safe one's

22:51

not safe and then tell me

22:53

to go off, I'm not going to remember. It

22:55

looks so similar. Yeah. And

22:58

also, and I pointed this out too, but in

23:00

this image, you can see it much more clearly

23:02

the safe rock demarks naturally

23:05

the safe way down the mountain. The unsafe

23:07

rock naturally demarks a terrible way

23:09

to go down the mountain. But what makes

23:11

it more confusing is that by the unsafe

23:13

rock is a manmade sign with an arrow

23:16

and some kanji that I mean, I think it

23:18

might say danger, but it points. And I'm like,

23:20

just a sign pointing indicates you're telling me where

23:22

the path is. What rock would tell me where

23:24

a path is? The safe one. I looked at

23:26

both these image. I didn't read which

23:28

one was safe. Rich one was unsafe. I

23:30

assumed the one with the sign next to

23:33

it, the manmade sign with an arrow. Yeah.

23:35

And then boom. Wow. Just to make it

23:37

even more confusing. Hey, you know, the one

23:39

with the manmade sign, that's not the safe one.

23:41

Right. Come on, bro. I thought even then I

23:43

can go. All right. Well, at least one has

23:45

a sign on it. I'm going to go out

23:48

there. I'm not detonating. No, it's not. I'm rolling

23:50

it down the mountain. I'm now lost. Yeah. That

23:52

is very confusing. So that is

23:54

essentially the story of the SOS sign. And

23:57

it only got more turbulent the closer

24:00

looked at it and we don't have everything answered.

24:02

That's why it's an unsolved case. Now

24:04

there's not necessarily theories as to what

24:06

went on as opposed to questions to

24:08

answer. So in our theories section today

24:10

we're gonna kind of ask

24:13

three different questions and attempt to answer

24:15

those and that will attempt to close

24:17

the gaps on this case. Oh

24:19

yes, no and burnt cheese are my

24:21

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did the bonds belong to Iwamura? So

28:42

due to the location of the skull and the

28:45

items in the backpack which most likely belonged

28:47

to Iwamura himself, it can be assumed

28:49

that the skull also belonged to him. However,

28:51

the bone test results were conflicting. Examining

28:54

bones for gender can be inconclusive since,

28:56

according to the Natural History Museum of

28:58

London, bones often do

29:00

not fit a strict gender binary.

29:03

They are rated on a five point

29:05

scale with one ending in probably female,

29:08

the other ending in probably male, and

29:10

then three that are undetermined. Oh,

29:12

that's not good odds. Right. Like

29:15

I said before, there was also no DNA testing

29:17

on the items in the backpack as far as

29:19

we could find anyway. Some

29:21

believe that the woman went in with Iwamura

29:23

to the mountains, but there's no leads for

29:25

who that would have been if Iwamura did

29:27

go hiking with the person that they knew

29:29

or a stranger or what have you. And

29:32

if there was a person with him, there's no leads

29:34

as to who that person was, what her

29:36

identity is. And there's no record of a

29:38

woman going missing in a sahidake around that

29:41

time. Though that doesn't make it impossible. There's

29:44

been missing elsewhere. Missing

29:46

elsewhere, unreported, happened all the

29:48

time. He was what, a thousand miles away?

29:50

Yes, by way of car. But yeah, he

29:52

was quite a long way from home.

29:55

And plenty of people, as we've discovered on

29:57

the show, can go missing without being reported.

30:00

So completely out of the woods. but it is something to

30:03

bring up. I. Even like a

30:05

spitballs the julian a little like.

30:07

I. Don't know a bittersweet idea

30:10

like what is this? Was you,

30:12

Amara. Hiking in the woods,

30:14

hiking on these these mountains with someone

30:16

that he loves. and then they built

30:19

the signed because they were lost and

30:21

you know how that story ends. But

30:23

then you flash forward five years and

30:25

you have other hikers perhaps not dating

30:27

or whatever. But. Then

30:29

they are saved by the acts of these others

30:31

and I feel like such a. I.

30:33

Don't know. Four point it's a little

30:36

poetic you here again I'm I'm kind

30:38

of controlling a story for another.but I

30:40

it is were saying and when I

30:42

was on the julian she mention this

30:44

like. At the time, that's kind

30:46

of how the Japanese use was reporting

30:48

it, that they were known associates of

30:50

some kind that they were hiking together.

30:52

Not that they were. Different. People

30:55

out of time, right? like he will more. Five

30:57

years ago, this woman One to three years ago

30:59

and then this group. Then. Suddenly among

31:01

a lotta groups orbiting this kind of as

31:03

west side. Anyway, When.

31:06

Police played a recording of the man calling

31:08

for help he will more as parents couldn't

31:10

descended to the say. Whether. Or

31:12

not at that was the voice of their soon. As

31:15

possible that the school belong to

31:17

someone else? Yet another person's potentially

31:19

a group of people. As you

31:21

had mentioned, Which. Would make. A.

31:23

Third person, I guess. Bomb. again. Most likely

31:26

this was even more as, but this will

31:28

be the only time that we conclude that

31:30

perhaps there's yet another person. or I do.

31:33

So. Next question to ask is did

31:35

you are more up build the Sls

31:37

side. It's. Possible that he

31:39

built the sign since his stuff

31:41

was found so close the by

31:43

topographical data from the Japan Forest

31:46

Agency and Japan Geographical Authority so

31:48

that the sign. Had been

31:50

there since at least September twentieth, Nineteen

31:52

Eighty Seven. Just like Google

31:54

Maps, however, those images are sourced

31:57

some sort of. necromancy private

31:59

details We have satellite imagery all

32:01

over the world and these exist

32:03

for this area and you can

32:05

see the SOS sign now Iwamura

32:08

went missing three years before that so it's still

32:10

in the cards that he was the one that

32:12

made it The sign was not seen

32:14

in aerial photos going back to 1982 The

32:18

issue here is that we can't

32:20

necessarily dial it in to Iwamura's

32:22

absence Because these photos are

32:24

taken every five years and there is

32:26

a gap of two years before him

32:29

So you don't see it in 82 you see it in

32:31

87 he went missing in 84 You

32:35

know, right? I

32:39

mean five-year gaps. I mean this the

32:41

whole missing situation was five years. You

32:43

know, I mean, yeah so

32:47

Man, that's a huge gap. That being

32:49

said feel like I need

32:51

to Figure out when a

32:54

sound lights outside my house So

32:56

then every five years I could step outside

32:58

and point an invisible get at the Sun

33:03

It's like this Mac you stepping outside point yeah,

33:05

you gotta find the same spot, too. Yeah,

33:07

this man's not moved 15

33:11

years then you got to make sure that

33:13

when Google Maps drives by and they

33:15

you know Yeah in the road and

33:17

the roads and I'm there too that

33:19

you're there. They'll point at the Sun

33:21

Yep, the long con wearing the same

33:23

clothes every time every time man weird.

33:25

I Wonder if somebody's done

33:27

that or done something like I ought to be I've seen

33:29

some people Plan around it like

33:32

they get a whole like yard situation, you

33:34

know, I cook out going on and then

33:36

they cheer it going by Oh, yeah, it's

33:39

ruined now because everyone's faces get blurred makes sense.

33:41

But anyway back

33:43

to the case so Assuming the cassette

33:45

recording was a Womura He

33:47

might have seen a helicopter and tried to get their attention

33:49

by making the SOS sign Well five

33:52

years early Did Strangely, we

33:54

couldn't find any further information regarding any

33:56

helicopter, whether he was dropped off by

33:59

one with each. One is a

34:01

conversation I've seen online regarding this case

34:03

that a lot of people have been

34:05

frustrated like she's saying in the recording

34:07

something about a helicopter and then everyone

34:09

discussing this case like ourselves kind of

34:11

let it go and never come back

34:13

to it. and Julian deter darn is

34:15

to like figure out what that angle

34:17

was and we just we can't find

34:19

anything we are documented anyway so it's

34:21

own known what the speaker may have

34:23

been referring to in is it when

34:25

again whether it was being dropped off

34:27

at some point as a hiker or

34:29

that somebody. Was flying by We're they

34:31

met a helicopter. Now

34:33

when looking at the sign, looking at the

34:35

would have made up of the limbs, the

34:38

branches, maybe some laws, whatever. It was estimated

34:40

that it would take about two days to

34:42

create this sign. A lot of work the

34:44

a lot of effort to these. The

34:47

birch trees themselves would have had been shot

34:49

down isn't probably not naturally celled trees that

34:51

were used but again this is the conclusion

34:53

of people investigating not my own. They concluded

34:55

that they must been chopped down. Birch is

34:57

a very hard wood and most likely was

35:00

taken a considerable amount of effort not only

35:02

to cut down button to fall into place

35:04

and make sure it was all good to

35:06

go is a voice on the recording blondie

35:08

were more of a sound like he was

35:10

hurt If that's the case. It

35:12

would be very difficult for someone like that to

35:15

make this sign. The bones

35:17

also showed that whoever owned the bones

35:19

the person was likely week or ill

35:21

so if they were even more as

35:23

it would stand to say that. He

35:25

could not have done this as a Was sign alone.

35:28

It's not impossible that you know maybe

35:30

adrenaline takes in desperation tix in this

35:32

is a survival situation after all. Maybe

35:34

he pushed through it, but it's hard

35:36

to say. But. He

35:38

was out there for a while. Who's to

35:40

say that the injuries and the tip income

35:42

after this I was both snatched. The great

35:44

point a some people have argued that he

35:46

is he will more. I had the ability to

35:49

chop down the tree. More. The

35:51

trees enough to build this sign arrange

35:53

them, take the full two to do

35:55

all of that. And. maybe the yeah

35:57

maybe that's how we got injured but you would have then

35:59

also had the energy and time to

36:01

go down the mountain to the base.

36:04

Others have suggested that he could have been following

36:06

the Chubetsugawa River all the way

36:08

down the mountain, which with it winding to

36:10

and fro, might've been difficult, maybe

36:12

not the most efficient way. And

36:14

though we don't know his mental state at the time, he

36:17

likely had no idea where he was going and

36:19

was just supremely lost. I was just about to

36:21

say, you can't assume

36:23

the person knows

36:25

where they're going, right? Mm-hmm. It

36:27

could have been an inexperienced hiker and

36:30

then all of a sudden it's like, well, even then experienced

36:32

hikers get lost. Oh yeah. How

36:34

would you know, follow this? Yeah,

36:36

that's true. I mean, unless you knew- It's high tide,

36:38

right? It's like, well, if you're in this location, just

36:40

follow this. It's like, well, how do you know they

36:42

get lost in that location? Yep.

36:45

Man, this is why I got to stick to these trails. So

36:49

notably with the idea that,

36:51

again, going with the conclusions of people investigating

36:53

that these must've been cut down, these weren't

36:56

discovered limbs, these weren't discovered trees, there

36:58

was no ax found in the area. It's

37:00

not uncommon, of course, like in scenes left

37:02

alone for five years, things are gonna move

37:04

apart, right? Animals might find bodies, gnaw on

37:07

the bones, distribute them around, tools

37:09

might go missing. If a second person

37:11

got lost and also found your sign, maybe they took the,

37:13

but either way, there was no ax found

37:16

though it is possible that it moved. It just was

37:18

elsewhere. We don't know. Discussions

37:21

from Japan have pointed out that the SOS

37:23

sign resembles one from the manga for Astro

37:25

Boy. As we know, E. Astro

37:28

Boy. Yeah. We know that

37:30

Iwamura had some anime themes on his cassettes.

37:33

Yeah, I was just a lot for anime. Or I guess,

37:35

yeah. And so it stands to reason that maybe, maybe he

37:37

was also a manga reader. Maybe this is how he got

37:39

the idea. Maybe we're connecting dots that

37:41

shouldn't be connected, but this was a conversation at the

37:43

time. The characters were trapped at one point,

37:45

they got the idea to cut down trees and make a

37:48

sign. I would just say 9,000. That

37:51

way it could be like, whoa, Dragon Ball. So

37:54

you would just chop down trees and put out

37:56

the number 9,000. Yeah, So

37:58

it's like, well, they won. This

38:00

will find me but to They also

38:02

know my power level so. A

38:04

as important. As

38:07

long as guys his last bit of

38:09

a powerful are now it's over nine

38:11

thousand. Suit. Put a greater than

38:13

symbol on their docile on work. At

38:17

least a couple as you marry. Yeah,

38:19

wow, That is which direction is greater

38:22

than in which direction is less than

38:24

totally off the rails And Greer there's

38:26

less less and is right. Booty.

38:28

Mean left. Like. Wow Wow!

38:30

Land in the mouth is open to the

38:33

left has grown less than. Yeah. Math

38:35

was my sources snow our the alligator want to

38:37

go for the bigger one right there? Yeah you'd

38:39

have our yeah yeah years ago and I've heard

38:41

by an eye open towards the bigger one. Yeah

38:43

I see so many people get their own any

38:46

we're not looking at towards a better human rights

38:48

of your loss even let people know your power

38:50

level don't it as simple the wrong and know

38:52

given Atlanta and on my savior of the other

38:54

not apply knock out of us as a. Is

39:00

very dumb. Okay, now coming back to this

39:03

question. it's possible that someone else built this

39:05

signed before or after even worse disappearance if

39:07

that's the case says, becomes the norm Earliest

39:09

sign for safety or I ever heard. it's

39:12

because so many people it's a it's like

39:14

a cursed sign that if you find it,

39:16

you'll stay last. And if you don't find

39:19

it, you'll. Be. Found. White.

39:21

I can, ya do we think about that?

39:24

I could just been over the span of

39:26

five years, multiple bill getting lost, coming across

39:28

as a suicide, or who knows, maybe just.

39:31

Built. By multiple people. Maybe.

39:33

They really have to have any.

39:35

I'm in and settlement right My

39:37

name's ear som. And

39:40

then they only I wanted. I wouldn't

39:42

say someone is so in Syria picked

39:44

up so I guess this is really

39:46

important for us. So. Remember

39:49

that this is one of the tallest mountains in

39:51

Hokkaido. And the reason why

39:53

I mentioned has because like it

39:55

is a destination for mountaineers, hikers

39:57

of all caliber and from that.

40:00

And. According to the data from Hokkaido

40:02

Wilds, search and rescue teams have been

40:04

sent to the Asahi Decay and they

40:06

said Susan National Park Area roughly two

40:09

hundred times Just since Twenty Fifteen Soon

40:11

the last nine years search and rescue

40:13

has gone to the area two hundred

40:15

times you can imagine. Is a

40:18

kind of now. A hotspot for

40:20

people to do miss and so when when

40:22

are getting lost that be really loss of

40:24

right Like their dispatchers search rescue because people

40:26

are more Yeah and so it it does

40:29

Stand readers under rocks man the mall is

40:31

one of my server said it will make

40:33

any sense Yeah. Car. Or

40:36

easier said than done. And who knows, can

40:38

assume someone's mode over. Or. Whatnot,

40:40

but spit on the trail?

40:42

Yeah, I mean. I

40:45

don't know. Is wild, so like regardless

40:47

of whether he made it or not, it's

40:49

definitely possible the other people stumble across it.

40:51

were in the area, didn't know about it.

40:53

Whenever it's within five years, two hundred missions,

40:55

your scent. Well. Remembered. Organizers

40:58

so you just played your time. And

41:00

twenty at Twenty says team does feel

41:02

like five years ago is nine years

41:04

is nine on my days ago. Nine

41:06

years ago. Yeah, food, you're not wrong

41:08

in that five year stretch. Mathematically speaking,

41:10

about a hundred, it's search and rescue

41:12

again, by modern standards. Who knows if

41:14

it's the same rate of going missing

41:16

or not. But. I modern

41:19

standards. Through. That stretch of five

41:21

years in the eighties, it's possible that

41:23

upwards of one hundred different groups went

41:25

missing needed search and rescue something like

41:27

that, And this keeps the moink cross

41:29

the same side. Yeah, So. Results

41:31

as likely as not far fetched at

41:33

all. Sort of made a sign. Could

41:35

be completely anonymous and we just don't

41:37

know someone who and for themselves with

41:40

never me I have. To.

41:42

Use so now it's gets your what

41:44

was it burnt chocolate oh birch she's

41:47

learnt Caesar was yes no burn C

41:49

right? So yes the bones belong to

41:51

a more know he didn't build the

41:53

sign. And. this

41:56

is a request and so you're in

41:58

minnesota of is the other angle Now

42:00

the other theory that you a mura met another

42:02

person on the mountain Aren't cheese

42:05

Cheese, so it's also possible that he

42:07

met somebody and got lost alongside that

42:09

person Tests from the bones showed that

42:12

you a mura was weak His parents could

42:14

not confirm the voice on the cassette tape was

42:16

in fact him It could have

42:18

been somebody else could have been him just

42:20

with maybe more fear on his voice It's

42:22

really hard to say maybe more horse because

42:24

he'd been yelling regardless And spin

42:26

that a thousand ways But maybe he would

42:28

wanna met up with a person and that

42:30

person was the one who built the SOS

42:32

sign alongside him They may

42:34

have then also used even more as

42:36

Walkman to record themselves also

42:38

considering the discrepancy in the bones once again

42:40

It's possible that there was yet a third

42:43

mysterious person and that maybe we're

42:45

dealing with a group here Dude imagine just like

42:47

being lost running into someone else that's lost and

42:49

then building a slow sign together and then even

42:52

more over the top Someone else you'll say what are

42:54

you guys doing here? I'm lost too My

42:57

hey, could you start working on that s over

42:59

there? Yeah, I thought

43:01

one point of the group becomes so big

43:03

that it's detrimental Well, they start turning

43:06

in on each other and yellow jacketing.

43:08

Yeah. Yeah So what's

43:11

interesting and I mean and that's kind of

43:13

the end of the SOS sign incident. It's

43:16

Fascinating very fascinating. It's so simple

43:18

yet. So elegant. Yeah Now

43:20

what's interesting with these theories is that there is a

43:23

common thread where you know We don't

43:25

know who made it necessarily. We know who was whose

43:27

stuff was near it in the end But

43:30

I can imagine this being a group all

43:32

in the same time frame I can also

43:34

imagine this being multiple individuals or multiple groups

43:36

stumbling over this area I'm building over time

43:38

and maybe camping out in the same spot

43:41

because there's a hole under a tree and

43:43

there's an SOS sign Where else should you

43:45

go and and maybe that's why the

43:47

axe is missing if there ever was one I don't

43:49

it's just the mind

43:51

wanders with Answers with

43:54

possibilities and these are my in

43:56

a morbid way, right? So this is just

43:58

one of my favorite types of mysteries. You can

44:01

see it going so many

44:03

different directions, so many different possible

44:05

answers on the table. None of

44:07

them are necessarily nefarious. They're just

44:09

kind of possible answers. Again,

44:11

it's a refreshing moment to step away from

44:13

like true crime and who done it to

44:16

man, this is unfortunate. No, how it, no

44:18

matter how it's cut, but it could

44:20

be cut so many different ways. It really could. It

44:23

really could be, and there could be so many more

44:25

people involved than you think there would be. And then

44:27

it could have been cross paths or pass the didn't

44:29

cross at all. Right. This

44:31

is such a simple yet sophisticated

44:34

case. And it took an

44:36

immediate turn. It was pitched to

44:38

me as two hikers. I got lost their

44:41

SOS and SOS sign

44:43

is what helped them like get

44:46

found, but they couldn't realize they didn't

44:48

build that sign. I go, that's wild. Let's dig into

44:50

those people. Never heard of those people after that beginning.

44:52

Anyways, all the other fine. Let me tell you about

44:54

the other

44:57

guy. Yeah. Like, Oh man, man.

45:00

And it also just makes me think of all the cases

45:02

that are just out of

45:04

reach, right? We have this whole case.

45:06

We have this whole mystery because police

45:09

went to further investigate and then they

45:11

found items. They found bones. They had

45:13

never found any of that. This

45:15

would have just been a really short, but I

45:18

mean, it still would have been a mystery. Who made

45:20

that sign? I don't know. Someone probably would have claimed

45:22

it. True. I made that when I was 12, but

45:25

like, I don't know. It just makes

45:27

me think what kind of just basic

45:30

bog standard, but wild mysteries around

45:32

any corner that we just don't

45:34

know about. Or this could

45:36

have been just one,

45:39

uh, park rangers

45:42

step on the SOS site from

45:45

discovering a second tape with all the

45:47

answers. They could have stopped

45:49

couples step short from

45:52

a bush to their left. I had another

45:54

bag with answers and just

45:56

never found. Yeah. Whoo,

46:00

well, this has been the Sos

46:03

signed incident the mystery that will forever

46:05

intrigue us And I

46:07

gotta say Japan the mysteries that

46:09

surround Japan. Oh, they're good. Our

46:11

wild wild wild. I'll say one

46:13

that had the Candy

46:16

factory one the soda machine and

46:18

also the monster with a thousand

46:20

faces. Yes, Andy. Yeah the candy

46:24

Yeah, all right. Well Fredo

46:26

I will see you right

46:28

back here next Monday for yet another mystery.

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