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It's pretty pimpsy. We're

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still off on tour. Lots of gigs

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coming up. The remaining ones in 2023

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are in Nottingham on the 23rd

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of November with Scott and Gemma Bennett and Lloyd

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Griffith from Ted Lasso and much more. 26th

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November Justin Morehouse and Katie Mulgrew

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at the Lowry in Salford. Not many tickets

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left for that one. And 2nd December I'm talking

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to Ian Rankin and somebody else at

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the Edinburgh Queen's Hall. Would love to see you at one of

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those. Or in the new year

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loads of great gigs coming up including

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Simon Munry at Leicester on the 25th of February.

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We've got Tommy Tiernan coming up. We've got

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Adam Buxton, Armando Iannucci, Mary

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Beard, Maisie Adam. I

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could go on but I will not. And also during

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the month of November, remember you can pick up Can

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I Have My Ball Back on Kindle and I think

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for 99p and don't even bother

1:11

reading it. It

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doesn't sound like it's a great thing for it to go

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down to 99p but apparently it's a much coveted

1:18

thing and obviously you do sell a lot

1:20

more at that price and they're e-books.

1:23

So it's good if you buy

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it. So if you... I would read it because it's

1:27

good too. You can also get it as an audiobook and

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a book. If you want

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to spend full price on it or one of your Audible

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credits. Christmas is coming up.

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Buy tickets to my tours or

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one of my books. Or

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just, you know, something

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don't know who I am. Anyway let's sit back relax

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and enjoy Rohanastapur. RichardHaring.com

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Thank

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you very much. Love to see you. You're

3:33

much better than the audience will have in about four

3:35

months' time. Due

3:37

to the odd way these are going out. Welcome

3:40

to Richard Elling's Leicester Square Theatre

3:42

Podcast Book Club. Though

3:46

I was playing Conkers with

3:48

some ghost school children from 1976. They're

3:51

all killed by bits of shell

3:54

hitting them in their face. They

4:00

called it Rallastapa buca. Rallastapa

4:03

buca. Rallastapa buca. I

4:06

can't believe it. Apparently it conquers.

4:08

I've looked it up this week. It wasn't banned

4:11

by health and safety. It just, kids stopped playing it. It

4:16

made me very sad. I live in

4:18

the countryside and there's just conquers lying everywhere

4:20

on the ground. The ten year old me

4:22

would not believe the riches. I

4:25

picked one up and put it in my pocket. I thought,

4:27

what am I going to do with it? Nothing. You guys couldn't. It

4:29

was too good a conquer to leave behind. I

4:32

once had a 35er. And

4:35

I can't remember if it got destroyed.

4:37

Or whether it just got

4:39

lost. Who knows?

4:41

Like everything from the 1970s and

4:43

my youth it has got. Right,

4:45

look, we're going to crack on straight away because this is the sophisticated

4:49

book club episode. Yeah,

4:52

we don't mess around. Unfortunately the person we've

4:54

got is crazy and therefore the

4:58

sophistication will go out the window. But,

5:01

please welcome, she's probably best known for

5:04

being one of the losers on Champion

5:06

to Champions Taskmaster. It's Luz Anders,

5:09

ladies and gentlemen. It's Luz Anders. Luz Anders.

5:13

There she is. Luz

5:15

Anders. Ah!

5:18

Luz Anders. Have you got over the loss of Champion

5:20

to Champions?

5:23

The producer of Taskmaster

5:25

actually said to me that the winner of Taskmaster

5:28

is never really the winner

5:29

of Taskmaster. Is that what they said? Yeah.

5:33

But you did win Taskmaster as well though, so. Yes.

5:37

Also, oh,

5:40

do you think I look like Steve Pemberton because I do.

5:43

I do. Like me and Steve Pemberton look. If

5:47

you think

5:47

about it, me and Steve Pemberton look alike.

5:50

The same, it's this area.

5:52

Sorry, this is the podcast, the snout. I

5:55

wouldn't have said so. That's really put

5:58

me off when I'm going to have sex with them later. I'm

6:00

gonna be... Don't

6:02

be imagining. If you didn't go that well... He

6:06

did get straight in the cab to the north of

6:08

the country. It won't make any sense to people listening

6:10

at home who go, What? I see Pemberton

6:12

is an umpum mum. And

6:15

rightly so. Look,

6:17

we're going to talk about your fantastic book.

6:20

Can you see out of those glasses? They're a bit

6:22

dirty. I'll use them

6:24

to keep my hair out of the way as well as a glass. I

6:26

can just about clear them. They're very

6:28

nice. Lovely. Thank you very

6:30

much. It's Lou Sanders, that's you.

6:33

What's That Lady Doing? It's your new book. That's

6:35

not the full title. What's That Lady

6:37

Doing? An incredible piece of writing, but it's

6:39

an old theme. False starts and happy

6:41

endings. There are some happy

6:44

endings in there. Maybe we could talk about

6:46

that. Then put your glasses

6:48

down. I keep getting it. I put

6:50

that up and erect and above my eyes. This

6:55

book is very funny, Lou. There's

6:58

a fart coming. It's very honest

7:00

and it's very much Lou Sanders distilled

7:03

into paper form, I have to say,

7:06

or audio form if you listen to the book like I did

7:08

on audiobook. It's very much

7:10

you. I wrote it. Yeah, but

7:12

that's... I

7:16

got Jordan to go try to do it. I'm

7:18

glad you wrote it yourself, but it's

7:22

so your style and it's so written. It's

7:24

like having a conversation with you, which is a good thing.

7:27

Thank you for reading the book when you could have just had

7:29

a conversation. I could have just talked to you about it. It's

7:33

weird for me reading it because I've known you for

7:35

a long time and I

7:37

saw some of your very first gigs. You and Katie

7:40

would gig together and we're friends

7:42

together back in 2008, I guess, that

7:45

was one of the first three. The

7:48

book makes me a little bit sad because

7:51

you've been through quite a lot of shit and

7:53

unpleasant stuff and it makes me sad that that's the

7:55

world we live in. But you are very...

7:57

Yes, because I had seen that with Katie, his wife.

7:59

had dinner with, oh and can I tell you something she said?

8:02

I said how's rich and she

8:04

said, I said like how's the marriage because it's

8:06

been like 20 years, no

8:07

one thought I would laugh at

8:09

that. And

8:11

she said oh will I still really fancy him?

8:13

And I thought that would be lovely, isn't that lovely

8:15

after 20 years? I'm

8:16

pretty sexy, I'm not going to say.

8:18

I don't think anyone

8:20

fancying anyone else in 20 years is so nice.

8:22

It is nice, I don't feel the same about

8:25

her. That's why I

8:27

said it because he knows he's fancy, trying

8:29

to make it feel

8:32

pretty cool. And now with the rumble, I mean

8:34

come on. Two walls

8:36

was too much to be honest. She

8:39

likes you more with one. You

8:41

can cope with the volume but they're producing much

8:43

more. Believe me she

8:45

could cope with the volume that I was producing. This

8:47

is an impression of Katie.

8:50

Sorry it's an audio for me.

8:52

We're filming it too. That was not very

8:57

feminist and she's really

9:01

funny. Why did you want to write this? It's

9:03

a lovely book, it's about… It's very

9:05

funny, it has got light and shade.

9:07

It's very funny but it's very honest.

9:10

It's about embracing

9:13

your shame and you've been through a lot

9:15

of stuff. You've had

9:18

quite a wild life. But I'm

9:20

boring now. That's why I could write it now because

9:22

it's distance

9:24

from a lot of

9:25

the stuff that happened. A lot of stuff I

9:27

did or people had done. I think

9:31

it was drawing a line under

9:33

that part of my life. Then that's

9:37

processed and done.

9:38

And I thought I could sell it.

9:41

But it's good because I think most of it, to some

9:43

extent and not necessarily all of it, but most

9:46

people have been through a wild time. Most people have

9:49

done stuff that's embarrassing.

9:51

For somebody to talk about it and own it

9:53

and embrace it.

9:55

If

9:57

everyone was honest about the stuff that we've done…

9:59

to us and done to other people and

10:02

can, I'm not saying that forgive yourself without processing

10:04

stuff, like process it and then forgive yourself, try

10:06

and forgive other people if you can. Like if the world

10:09

was really honest, like and that

10:11

show Unforgivable that I do and we all talk

10:13

about like the worst things that we've done and stuff and it's

10:15

not to celebrate them in a kind of like oh

10:17

don't worry about like fuck anyone over, the

10:19

opposite is like, I

10:22

just want to get rid of shame and I think if everyone

10:24

was honest with their story and I've had loads of messages

10:27

from women, just ignore the ones from men,

10:29

and that's true, it's

10:32

a little bit true, but I've

10:35

had loads of messages from women saying that they've had similar

10:37

experiences because all of our experiences really are universal

10:40

and sort of saying how much the book really

10:42

really helped them process stuff and that

10:44

means everything to me. Obviously I want it on the

10:47

Times best solo list

10:47

but really I want to connect with people. Well

10:49

it's true because I don't think people do, you know, especially

10:52

about sexual things, people don't talk honestly about

10:54

them, either they, you know, they can exaggerate one

10:56

way or they can, you know, deny stuff that's

10:58

happened the other way, but it really gets

11:01

across that idea that, you know,

11:03

when you look at, especially when you're a comedian and

11:05

you tour the country,

11:08

especially if you're at the weekend, and you

11:10

see the chaos that's going

11:12

on on a Friday and Saturday night in every

11:14

city centre, in older shot especially,

11:17

but every single one.

11:19

In Newcastle I saw, I got to

11:21

Newcastle for a gig at 4pm, we

11:24

saw someone being sick on her shoes, loads

11:26

of girls, like one girl walking with a broken heel,

11:28

just like she hadn't really realised and she was just talking

11:30

the other

11:31

way, then one girl being sick

11:33

in the street while her friend, this is my favourite

11:35

one, gave her a wedgie as

11:39

she was being sick, this was 4pm,

11:43

what a town! So

11:45

you know, clearly they need to read

11:47

my book. People are doing this, you

11:49

know, every weekend, young people especially,

11:52

are going out and getting drunk and doing

11:55

stupid things, and sometimes those are fun

11:57

things and sometimes they turn out not to be fun

11:59

things.

11:59

like a little worm and then you drink on

12:02

top of that, you are going to get yourself in situations

12:04

and you have got like a beacon of like, sort

12:07

of use me because you don't really, you

12:09

haven't got those boundaries in place because you know, for

12:11

whatever reason growing up. So I

12:13

do think it's not anyone's fault but it's

12:17

a nightmare. And then if you put shame on top of that,

12:19

of like, look what you've done or you know, look

12:21

what you've had done to you, then it's

12:23

even worse. I just think,

12:24

yeah, I don't know. I think most

12:27

people have sort of a self esteem issue as well.

12:29

Like most people imagine everyone else is together

12:31

and know what they're doing and feel

12:33

like, you know, feel like you're talking about exactly

12:35

what you're talking about, feel like a worm, feel like they're not

12:38

deserving. And so like, if you get attention

12:40

or if you get, you know, someone

12:42

who likes you, if you miss them massively

12:45

inappropriate, you know, you might

12:47

go along with it. So, you know, a lot of

12:49

it, you know, I don't think my life is very

12:51

similar to yours. But you know, in the 90s,

12:54

I was drunk most of the time. And you know,

12:57

I did stupid things that I've,

12:59

you know, that

13:02

everyone does, you know, but it's so it's, I

13:04

think it will speak to most people in that way. But it's

13:06

great that you make it funny. It's obviously like,

13:09

early on you talk about your family

13:11

and say how they some of them won't want to be in the

13:13

book. I've been a nightmare.

13:17

I've been the same situation where I've written about my own family in

13:20

various formats. You've got a nice

13:22

family, right? Yeah. That's so unusual.

13:27

Yeah. And so your family.

13:31

I don't know why I've turned out the way I have.

13:33

There's more questions around.

13:37

I have got a very stable and loving

13:39

family. And you created a nice family

13:42

as well. It's lovely, actually, Rich. Well done.

13:44

Thank you. But

13:47

how was, you know, how was that minefield

13:49

for you? How was that minefield for you to

13:51

kind of get through that? Because obviously you're pretty

13:53

honest. What actually what are you write about your stepfather

13:56

quite a lot? And what I like about it is you didn't

13:58

you know, you had a complicated relationship. relationship with

14:00

him. But there are chapters where you acknowledge

14:02

how crazy he was. I

14:04

loved him so much by the end. Well,

14:06

I'll get a sad note because he's dead.

14:08

I'm on my period.

14:12

Cut that bit out then. Not

14:14

the whole sad thing. Oh, God.

14:16

Yeah. But in the book

14:19

it was quite funny because I said, I can't

14:21

really talk about my family because I don't want me to.

14:24

But I can talk about my stepdad because he's dead. And

14:26

I was like, I didn't do it. No,

14:29

we hated each other at first. Yeah. Well, you

14:31

know, but it sounds like it was, you know,

14:34

I think you would have been, you

14:36

know, by your own admission,

14:38

I think, you know, you were probably not an easy teenager

14:41

to deal with and be the stepfather of. Yeah, but

14:44

I was four when I met him and I was fucking cute

14:46

of four. I was well cute. Yeah.

14:48

But he was

14:51

autistic and had his own, well,

14:53

we'd never got him tested. But,

14:55

you know, he's so rude to everyone. You've got to ask some questions.

14:58

No, I cut that as well. That's not

15:00

going to come across well.

15:03

A lot of my friends were autistic. Okay. But

15:06

of

15:07

course they are too comedy. But no,

15:10

but he's, you know, he was a sort

15:12

of man. He was very sensible. I wore a lot of brown,

15:14

love train spotting before he met my mom,

15:16

you know, would say, but he said, he said,

15:19

say once, I think I put this in the book, because

15:21

everyone was like, do you think you might have, we

15:23

called it aspect at the time, but I don't think you can say

15:25

that now. But he

15:26

was like, I didn't ask purchase

15:28

test once. And I was very bloody good at

15:31

it. He likes to be

15:33

a higher chief, but, but

15:35

no, I mean,

15:36

it's funny those relationships, it's funny how people

15:38

read different things into it. So his brother,

15:41

lovely, my uncle, really

15:43

nice man. And he read the book. And he's like, Oh, I'm

15:46

so sorry. I didn't know any of that, you know, I was in

15:48

my own world. And then he

15:50

took away the sort of negative stuff

15:52

of it. And I thought it was a beautiful story

15:55

about sort of redemption and forgiveness and

15:57

how we sort of came together and a lot of people were like,

16:00

loved him very much in the

16:02

last 10, 15 years. But

16:05

he was like, oh, God, I didn't realize he, you know,

16:07

and he said, think, oh, he's

16:10

read a different thing to that. Whereas some people read that

16:12

and thought that he was the hero of the book and thought

16:14

that he was, you know, like Al Green

16:17

texted me and went, you're so hilarious

16:19

because he used to write letters. He

16:21

was very, like, weirdly, like very moral about

16:23

certain stuff. And we've all got blind spots, I suppose.

16:26

But he used to

16:28

write letters to the local paper

16:30

quite a lot and complain. And then one

16:33

time he wrote a letter to a brewery to say,

16:35

you've got loads of crazed memorabilia up.

16:37

And then he detailed in graphic

16:40

detail, there's a violent crimes

16:42

on people. And like really went

16:44

to town and then said, just don't want your

16:46

beer. And

16:47

they

16:50

took it all down. Yeah, I thought

16:52

it was really nice because why were you like glamorizing

16:55

like absolute like,

16:57

I don't want to get kneecaps, but scumbags. I

17:00

think that I think you're safe from the craze now.

17:02

I think that hopefully, friends.

17:04

Got grandkids, maybe.

17:07

But yes, no, I think you'll be

17:10

okay. Yeah, but it is it is for you

17:13

as well. It's a story of redemption because you know,

17:15

it's you, you started

17:17

drinking as I did as a

17:19

teenage. So you had a kind of taste when you're about 11

17:22

and but drinking seriously at 13, which I

17:24

think probably I

17:26

think I think I say that much more with my

17:28

generation. It feels like later generations. That's

17:30

a little bit more unusual for because it was a bit

17:32

harder. I would imagine to drink we were

17:35

just drinking in pubs from 14. Yeah, we

17:37

were we got 13.

17:41

It's fucking mad. That is like,

17:44

yeah, mad. And then I went

17:46

more seriously at like 15. 13 was a

17:48

bit of a one off. But yeah,

17:51

mad. Yeah, so but you obviously

17:53

you know, had a had a taste for alcohol and you've

17:56

been up and down you've stopped drinking

17:58

now, right?

17:59

Yeah. seven years or something.

18:01

I don't really miss it. I don't

18:04

find it that hard to, obviously as

18:07

a massive head, but I find

18:09

it quite easy because I was on

18:11

a definite path of destruction

18:13

and now I've got the things I want

18:16

on this path. It's very easy to not,

18:18

like if I had one I'd be like, it wouldn't be

18:21

one and I'd be like, oh no, it'd

18:23

lose everything. So it's quite easy not to drink. Yeah.

18:26

I mean, I've given up drinking as well, but I don't not.

18:28

I don't bang on about it. I

18:31

do bang on about it, but it wasn't

18:33

for the same reason. But

18:36

it was just because I'm old and it

18:38

started to hurt a bit too much. But I'm

18:41

not missing it at all. But it is a weird,

18:44

it's a difficult thing to negotiate, right?

18:46

Just because of that is so

18:49

embedded in society, especially if you're younger, I think

18:51

it's so like all of your...

18:53

I love young people don't drink. They're just like,

18:55

well, waste the time and money. But I think...

19:00

What am I going to

19:01

say? Great.

19:04

My memory has come back since it's not drink. Oh,

19:06

I'm not going to say. I

19:08

can't remember. Still didn't crack, obviously. Just

19:13

liquidize all drugs and drink them in

19:15

one big cocktail. That's a good idea. But

19:18

yeah, so there's lots of funny stories of

19:20

you being drunk and inappropriate.

19:23

And there's some sad stories about you being drunk

19:25

and inappropriate. The reason I

19:27

put the sad stories in as well is because a lot of

19:29

the time men don't believe that... Because

19:32

I think every woman has got

19:34

at least one story. And even if they don't, they

19:36

sort of forgotten. Because we were going

19:38

around in the second one, so it's about tens of

19:40

women. And we

19:44

were all going around and then one girl was like, no, I don't

19:46

have anything bad that's happened to me that was sexual

19:48

stuff. And then I was

19:51

like, really? My God, that's amazing.

19:53

And then she's like, no, isn't that weird?

19:55

And then she thought for about 10 minutes, she'd be like, oh, there

19:57

was this, there was this, there was this.

19:59

I was like, there we go.

20:01

I think some people don't want to believe

20:04

that that's the world we live in. So then I thought,

20:07

like, oh, well, I

20:08

don't know. But I really cut back on

20:10

them, actually. But Katie,

20:12

because I went for dinner. Sorry to keep bringing up Katie's

20:15

wife, but I went for dinner with her. And, oh,

20:17

yeah, because you tweeted. You said, oh, I'm about to

20:21

read Lou Santa's book and getting

20:23

in the basket with Lou Santas. And then I didn't

20:25

hear from

20:26

you for about two weeks. And I was like, oh, my

20:27

God, you hated it. And then I saw

20:29

Katie and she said, oh, no, it just made him

20:32

really

20:32

sad. Well, it made me sad about

20:34

men. And maybe, you know, I think I've written

20:36

here that you're like, you know, because you're a

20:38

free spirit stomped on by

20:40

reality, but still... But

20:43

where's the mega-an? Yeah, but you didn't get... You haven't

20:45

got crushed by it, which is kind of the amazing thing. So

20:47

it is this story that you... But it's

20:49

just... It's horrible to think

20:51

that, like, men took advantage of

20:53

you in the ways that they did. But,

20:56

you know, I 100%... You know,

20:58

I'm aware that that is what happens. I think that's so many people's

21:00

story.

21:00

That's the negative side. But I think

21:03

for any life, if you zoom in on... I've

21:05

had so many good things happen as well. You're not a sum

21:07

total of a couple of bad things. Like,

21:10

I don't like that sort of... I've

21:13

been so lucky. You know, think of a woman

21:15

in a sort of developing country who

21:18

doesn't have, you know, three healers

21:19

on my face. You know? You

21:24

know, can't get access to loads

21:26

of crystals. Like,

21:29

you know... My set was a shit to me when I was

21:31

younger. But, like, I

21:33

had the nice thing to, like, make up with him and see what

21:36

a wonderful man he turned into. And,

21:38

you know, my mum's nice. And,

21:40

like, there's so many good things. It's like if we

21:43

wanted to see ourselves as a victim, we

21:45

could all focus on, like, you know... I mean,

21:47

everyone got bullied at school. Everyone had this. Everyone had

21:49

that. So, I don't know. I don't think

21:52

that makes you who you are, unless you decide

21:54

it does. And then, like, we're all going to have

21:56

trauma and we're all going to have,

21:58

like, a stand-out. in great luck.

22:01

Yeah. So it's what you

22:03

like zoom in on I think. Of course and

22:05

you know and you definitely don't come across as a victim

22:07

in the book and you know that's it that is the

22:09

freedom of who you are and like sometimes

22:12

that's a lot to deal with. For

22:15

everyone who knows you. Why

22:17

because you're doing crazy fucking

22:20

drunk and shit. Now you're fine and

22:22

you know but you

22:26

know I do because I know you so well it's upsetting

22:30

but it also makes you think of the times

22:33

that you yourself would

22:35

like to treat you badly but

22:37

also when you treated other people badly

22:40

and I think it is that sort of realizing

22:42

that well you sort of talk about realizing

22:44

that men are people about halfway

22:46

through the book. Yeah. And I think that it

22:53

does take people a long time to really kind

22:55

of have proper empathy with

22:57

other people. Yeah.

22:58

But I think

23:01

I don't know I do feel very lucky. I do

23:03

think. Yeah. Well you

23:05

know because you've sort of

23:07

stayed true to who you are and

23:10

even though you've changed a lot within this journey you're

23:12

still Lise Anders and you're still.

23:14

I did go mainstream to make a bit of a

23:16

catch. Yeah. But it's interesting

23:19

how you have the realizations

23:21

you go through all of this as to why

23:24

as you know becoming a comedian which is in

23:26

some ways the perfect job for you in other ways you've

23:29

walked into the Vipers nest of

23:31

horrible men. But you know

23:33

but you took a while to kind of find your

23:40

place in comedy but you again you realized it was sort

23:42

of your self destructive urges or your kind of

23:44

you know the madder things that you were doing that were

23:46

putting people off. Say what people don't want is

23:48

you putting a vagina on a stick

23:51

with a top hat wearing a matching top hat and singing I'm

23:53

a vagina I am from Africa. Yeah they probably

23:56

don't want that. That didn't go well.

24:03

Did you remember that? I used to have this bit though. I

24:05

don't remember that particular bit, my dear. He starts with a vagina

24:07

and he's going, I'm a vagina, I

24:10

am from Africa, aren't we all in the way? And

24:14

let me tell you, in Milton Keynes, they're absolutely bombed.

24:19

Well, your stuff was, you know, your stuff was, I've

24:21

seen you right from the beginning and like right at the beginning

24:23

I thought, you know, wow. She's

24:27

not going to get anywhere. But

24:29

wow. And here I am at the first

24:32

bit. But also because you think, well, you know, how's

24:34

that going to translate, you know, how's that going to

24:36

become something? I loved it right from the beginning,

24:38

I have to say, but you kind of think it's so crazy and

24:40

it's so out there and it's so you. But of

24:42

course, that is the way, that's the best comedians

24:44

will be, that will be kind of confusing.

24:47

I sort of

24:48

stripped it right back to go mainstream to make some cash.

24:51

Yeah, but you're still, you know, even

24:53

if you are more,

24:55

you've got to a point where you've realised like, OK, well,

24:58

I won't do the crazy shit and I won't be unnecessarily

25:01

rude on Jeff Lloyd's show. I

25:04

don't know why you need to bring that

25:06

up. You mentioned it in the book. So,

25:10

you know, you've realised the way to go. So

25:12

again, it is that redemption, it is that realisation.

25:15

And having got to that, you are now, you

25:17

know, in that top west echelon of successful

25:20

sort of TV comedians. So you're

25:23

doing Dancing on Ice, Luke. Yes,

25:25

tomorrow my training starts. I'm so

25:28

excited. Yeah, I

25:30

don't get any money if I break my arm in the first

25:32

month.

25:32

Right,

25:35

just a show. No, but I cannot wait. I'm so excited

25:38

to do that. Well, it's very in your wheel.

25:40

Wheel? No, there's no wheels. I

25:44

was like, that's a play on work. No, it's late. Yeah, if it

25:46

was roller skate, it would be great. But you

25:48

do roller skate already. Is that a transferable

25:51

skill? Yeah, it

25:52

is. It's all similar balance

25:54

and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I think I'll be all right at the actual

25:57

skating bit initially.

25:59

But it's the finesse, the

26:02

posture, the dancing. So

26:04

I'm quite clumsy and stuff. And

26:07

the ITV audience is a bit scary to

26:09

me.

26:13

Well, they're like you. No,

26:16

on Instagram, because I'm the least known

26:19

one.

26:20

They love

26:22

someone from Corey, somebody from EastEnders,

26:24

they're like,

26:25

eh, gimme, gimme, gimme. And then they

26:28

pop my photo up in the mix of people, and

26:30

everyone's like, who? It's

26:33

mostly women just really

26:36

sort of, fuck.

26:41

They will see you, and they'll love

26:43

you, and they'll warm you. I mean, they don't, doesn't

26:45

matter. Well, I did reply to quite a lot of them, so

26:47

I don't know if they will. I

26:53

had a bit of fun saying, I'll pop

26:55

you my CV, and stuff like that. Who?

26:58

Sagittarius with a fur coat made. Linda,

27:04

gimme. So you know,

27:06

but it is an exam moment. Taskmaster

27:10

as well, and all the other things you've done, guessable, and all

27:12

the things you've, what's it called, guessable? No, what's

27:14

the thing you did? Unforgivable. Unforgivable. Yeah.

27:17

They, you know, you've

27:19

sort of established yourself on TV, and that's

27:21

kind of. Well, then you didn't have a fucking clue. But

27:24

TV, you know, TV now, so like, ITV

27:27

is a different cat-la-fish, but even that, you know, even.

27:29

I hope so. Like Big Brother got 2.3 million viewers,

27:31

and they're all excited about it. 2.3 million is nothing.

27:33

That's what I used to get on Fist of Fun. Really?

27:36

Yeah, and no one knows who I am.

27:37

Yeah, we put business fair front on TikTok now. That's different.

27:39

It's changed.

27:40

I know, but that's what I mean. So like, being

27:42

on TV doesn't mean instant recognition,

27:44

but I think Dancing and Ice, you know, probably,

27:47

I mean, I don't watch it, but I believe people

27:50

do watch it. But your vote. Your vote. Oh, I'm

27:52

happy with it. You get three free votes online,

27:54

which. Sounds like a lot of hassle.

27:57

But somebody definitely won't win. Wow.

28:05

Wow.

28:07

No, I'm

28:08

so excited about. I love

28:10

learning new things, but I'm not very

28:12

good at it. But this is something that I think I'll be

28:15

passable at the actual skating. I think

28:17

I'm so excited. Twizzling around,

28:19

jumping

28:19

and all this stuff. And your friends were... Is Mel

28:21

B one of the judges or something? I do. Were

28:24

your friends with Mel B within your kitchen?

28:26

I was in Mel B's

28:27

kitchen. Oh, sorry.

28:30

Have you made friends with Mel B?

28:32

Was someone a bit jealous?

28:35

Yeah. Very good.

28:35

She came to see a show that I

28:38

was supporting, Catherine Ryan, at a theatre ages ago. And then

28:40

she came to see that. And then the next

28:43

week she came to see my show at Sohai

28:45

Theatre. But

28:47

the one in the ticket was just in the little upstairs room

28:49

and the tickets were sold out. And then everyone was

28:51

like, can we get some tickets from Mel B and

28:52

her onto the kitchen? And it was

28:54

a very small room. And I thought, my mum and

28:57

stepdad and they never come

28:59

to my show. Well, I can't know, I'm going to do

29:01

that. But I didn't mention,

29:03

boo. And that's

29:05

what I'm going to do on Dancing on Ice. This one's

29:07

my stepdad. I

29:11

bet they will try and make me do that actually.

29:15

But... And then,

29:17

so they were sent there like this

29:19

because they'd never come

29:20

to my show. It's like very, very uptight. And then a couple

29:23

of people were like, oh, Mel B and everyone

29:25

else thought this is weird.

29:26

But no, she's lovely actually. I really like her.

29:28

She's like, I've got a lovely soul.

29:30

Just a normal lovely leads woman.

29:34

Anyway, maybe cut that out. I

29:38

know, but you know, we're all just people,

29:40

aren't we? We're

29:43

all just people. But

29:45

what were we talking about?

29:46

I mean,

29:49

talk about how crazy you are. I think mainly

29:51

about that.

29:52

It's a gendered label.

29:55

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30:01

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31:11

Um,

31:13

this book is just full of like, that's

31:15

why I mean, you know, there's a lot of honesty

31:17

in here. I mean, you talk about-

31:19

It's very brave, yeah. You talk about your

31:22

foray into drug dealing. Oh,

31:25

I was a drug dealer for a day. Luckily

31:27

it didn't really work out for you, so you can probably write

31:30

about it in the book without getting into trouble. I mean,

31:31

I must be protected by angels because

31:33

there's so much stuff that could have been a nightmare. Like

31:36

I nearly died twice, and like, that's

31:38

really lucky that I didn't. So, you know, take the

31:40

wrath of this move. But yeah, I was walking down the hallway, right

31:42

thinking, drug dealer now.

31:45

You know, talking about it. I

31:48

don't want to give away any ideas. No, she doesn't want to give

31:50

it away, but in the end, you

31:52

weren't a drug dealer. No, well.

31:54

Because it wasn't drugs. Let's

31:56

talk about having sex with

31:59

Matt Masseuse. or messes, messes,

32:01

what do you call people who mess are you? Oh no, let's not talk about that.

32:04

Well I want to talk about it because it's one of my fantasies

32:06

and you've... it never happens to

32:08

guys, does it? It does, it

32:11

does. If they go to certain ones maybe

32:13

it happens. It

32:15

does happen. Well if you go to any rounds

32:17

here. Yeah. But

32:20

you know, that is actually infidelity. Yeah. Is

32:23

it

32:23

cheating if you're just having

32:26

a massage? I mean there's a great

32:28

Larry David one about this where you get

32:30

sent to one and there's two pumps

32:32

or something and they have to decide whether that

32:34

counts. Before he stops it, I mean

32:36

I would stop it eventually. How many pumps? How

32:39

many pumps? It was pumped out. And

32:42

then I'd go, oh I didn't expect that. But

32:48

it's, you know, again it's

32:50

an example of your kind of wildness and

32:52

your freedom and, you know... I

32:54

don't think you feel good after. Do you not? No,

32:57

no. I think you feel like, you

32:59

know, I actually

33:00

wouldn't recommend it. Okay. Because

33:04

there's all sorts

33:05

of moral questions coming in. There

33:07

are, yeah. I can't find this. This book is just

33:10

one massive moral question to be fair. You'll

33:12

have to read the book if you want to still read that sort of

33:15

muddy stuff. Okay, we'll wait

33:17

till everyone's read the book and then we'll talk. No, but I think

33:19

there's

33:19

a lot of... What's interesting to discuss morality and

33:21

then where you stand off it. I think actually,

33:23

hmm... Well,

33:26

I'll tell you something. The book was

33:28

a lot more resentful at

33:30

the start and then I sort of put myself

33:33

in everyone else's place and I was like, oh God,

33:35

everyone is just doing their best usually.

33:38

Yeah, well that's

33:38

an interesting thing. So you wrote

33:40

a draft of it and you showed it to some people and they sort of

33:42

said it was. I didn't show it to someone. You showed it to your

33:44

healer. I didn't show

33:46

it to my healer. I just, I reread

33:48

it and thought, what a bloody bitch. Then

33:51

I spoke to one of my healers

33:54

and she said, the thing

33:56

is, you know, parents mostly

33:59

want

33:59

to...

33:59

do the best for their kids or they're just blindsided

34:02

by whatever shit they're going through and

34:05

so you have to sort of, and

34:07

I thought oh yeah that's true actually and

34:09

also we all look back and being a parent

34:11

must be so hard. I see my friends, yeah

34:14

it's okay to,

34:17

I see my friend doing it now and I think

34:19

it's so much, so my God, she comes

34:21

around with my God's daughter and I love my God's daughter so much,

34:24

we went to go see

34:24

Frozen and it's so cute and

34:26

she's so cute but they

34:28

just want you to watch them do everything

34:31

and you're

34:31

like, what's my attention?

34:34

I'm actually a professional performer

34:36

so this, what you're doing

34:39

is amateur and it's embarrassing.

34:41

How

34:43

about we

34:44

watch money? But

34:49

just the energy it takes is

34:51

insane and also now we've got loads of stuff

34:53

on Instagram. I actually sent her stuff on Instagram

34:56

about like, which she doesn't mind if I did check

34:58

with her, like from a psychologist going this is what

35:00

you do if your kid's having a meltdown or whatever because it's

35:02

impossible age like three and a half whatever and

35:05

so I sent her all this stuff and I've read some of it as well because

35:07

I love psychology even though I haven't got kids so I'm reading

35:09

it going okay, okay that's what we'll do and then when

35:11

kids do that at our house we were all stressed so she

35:13

did have a tiny meltdown, just the one actually

35:16

and then when she's in this meltdown I was like

35:19

okay get down to eye level, it's like okay,

35:21

talk me through your feelings. You're doing

35:23

all this stuff that you've learned and

35:25

she's going

35:26

ahhhhh and you're facing it like this

35:29

doesn't work. But

35:31

yeah so I think it is really hard

35:34

to you know and no one wants to like you

35:36

know sort of temporarily fuck their kids up to those

35:38

so and my mum is lovely and I think

35:40

people are going to end up there. But again, your mum comes across great and the thing

35:42

where you protested against the

35:44

community, I mean there's a weird thing in the school story

35:46

where they wanted to have a pig's

35:49

head. Yeah they

35:50

wanted to have a pig's head at this like

35:52

banquet and my mum was

35:54

kind of like quite arty and like used to

35:56

for motorbikes and smoke doobies when she was younger and

35:58

stuff and And

36:01

so she was like, yeah, it's an autocracy

36:04

and all this. And she would like get us like pumped

36:06

up against authority and stuff. Yeah.

36:09

Yeah. But she possibly kind of leaked the

36:11

story to the press as well. So that, you know, so

36:13

I think, yeah, so, you know, so your mum

36:15

comes across as being cool. I think you're very nice. And

36:17

what I do to your family, I think you're very, you

36:19

know, it's very balanced and as you say, it

36:22

is the empathy of

36:24

the other comedians or to burglaries,

36:26

which I read quite a lot of them. Yeah. And I

36:28

wouldn't have all of them on to talk about because

36:31

most of them are dickheads. But

36:33

most of them are like, oh, I was so brilliant when I

36:35

did this or, you know, this was all this person

36:38

treated me badly. So it's all like

36:40

I'm the, you know, I'm the main character in

36:42

this. Yeah. And how dare someone

36:44

criticize me. I think you're very, hey,

36:47

you're very open to admitting your

36:49

foibles and your mistakes. Yeah. Which,

36:51

you know, I'd say if you read I haven't read

36:53

TK's read reason book, but his first book, he

36:56

never makes one mistake. No,

36:58

they were. So maybe he didn't make any mistakes.

37:00

But but equally, you know, you're very you are

37:02

very fair to. Oh, thank

37:05

you. Yeah. Yeah.

37:07

I mean, you'd be living in madness

37:10

if you think that, you know, you're

37:12

in a vacuum of Yeah, I mean, yeah,

37:14

I don't know.

37:15

So I do know, I think it's it is a really

37:17

funny and it's a really lovely book, but it's also it

37:20

is a book about being

37:22

young and it's a book which I think will resonate

37:24

with people. And I think exactly that. I mean, I

37:26

think you're right. And obviously people are saying

37:28

this to you. Right. But people will go, oh, great.

37:30

You know, this is this makes me feel

37:33

better about my own mistakes. Yeah. Because

37:35

because, you know, we all make mistakes and we sort of do

37:37

live in a we do live in a society now where everything

37:40

is jumped on. Yeah,

37:41

it's so bad. And also

37:43

the thing of like shame is where you're

37:45

living in this thing of like, oh, no one like

37:49

I feel bad about this thing and you don't talk about

37:51

it. And then it breeds bacteria

37:55

because you're sort of like the secrecy

37:57

around it. And then if someone's like spread.

38:00

it out on the page, that's a horrible phrase.

38:02

Then they're like oh yeah yeah so yeah

38:05

I don't know.

38:06

Good and I'm glad you know I think all the new

38:09

age stuff that you believe in is absolute

38:11

nonsense but I am I'm

38:13

glad but you

38:16

know but I also think... What about my experience

38:17

where I met the occasional Michael and he came

38:20

into my body? Not

38:21

in a real way. That

38:23

is compelling. It's

38:27

compelling evidence. Science

38:29

and spirituality

38:30

actually meet in the middle.

38:32

Yeah. If you know

38:34

some of the cases. It's the middle bit

38:36

where it's two stuff and not two

38:38

stuff. It's right

38:40

in the middle there.

38:41

But you're so stupid to think that we

38:43

know it all.

38:44

I mean you sit there in your lawsuit.

38:49

Aliens exist and we're not

38:51

talking about

38:52

it. Come on. Look

38:54

I think you know it doesn't matter. We all

38:56

believe in crazy stuff. You're absolutely

38:58

right and so everyone has a belief system

39:01

and they make everything. Every belief system

39:03

is an invention of some kind. So

39:07

people will die for causes that aren't

39:09

actual. You know people die for democracy which

39:11

doesn't really mean anything. And

39:14

so you know I think if something's

39:16

helpful to you so obviously you've found these things that

39:18

have helped you. I've had

39:19

so many experiences that it's not even

39:21

just like oh believe in this because it feels nice.

39:23

I have to have genuine experiences

39:25

where I'm like I cannot doubt this stuff anymore.

39:28

Like it is like I mean

39:30

dare to dream. It's not just what you can see. But

39:32

even physics says everything's energy. So

39:35

yeah

39:35

physics is more fucked up than anything. Quantum

39:37

physics is ridiculous. You don't believe in

39:39

quantum physics. Well I think it's ridiculous. It's as crazy

39:42

as that. Well a seahorse is ridiculous but it

39:44

exists.

39:46

An octopus. Come on.

39:53

There are more things on heaven and earth

39:55

that is true. And

39:57

if we're this 15 dimensions and we're

40:00

and we're the third dimension.

40:01

Love exists and you can't prove

40:04

it or measure it, but it's an energy that exists

40:06

when we feel it in our heart, so

40:08

come on. All right, you're right, you talk to me now. You

40:10

talk to me now. The

40:13

Archangel Michael can enter me now. I

40:16

don't think he wants to. He's

40:18

had his negative attitude. And

40:23

look, there's lots of, there is, as

40:25

I say, very honest, and there's

40:27

stuff that will make you feel

40:29

sad, but there are things that will make you feel very happy and

40:31

very funny. I like the real... It all ends with a

40:34

lightness of touch. It is, the revenge

40:36

of, you take on Andy

40:38

Peters is particularly enjoyable. And,

40:41

you know, not really, not

40:43

really equal to this crime, which is

40:45

nothing. No, I feel bad about that.

40:48

Yeah, it's nice. Any comments

40:50

from Andy Peters? No, weirdly,

40:52

I might chase that up. Yeah, seems

40:54

like a nice guy. He

40:55

seems lovely, yeah. I mean, I do put that

40:57

in the book. He does seem lovely.

40:58

You know, there's an apology to Andy Peters. Well,

41:00

the problem was that he wanted to expect you to bring in Mc

41:08

I

41:11

was a runner, but I was very shy.

41:12

They've got so much confidence. I just sort of stood there, I think,

41:14

oh, dear. And I sort

41:15

of didn't know what, like I always said

41:17

sorry 6,000 times and

41:19

was just sort of running around, just feeling embarrassed

41:22

about myself. And then I sort

41:24

of made him a cup of tea, so I didn't make him, you know,

41:26

and then I just saw him say like

41:29

to one of the other people that

41:31

I saw him go, can I have a cup of tea, please?

41:33

And then look at someone else and roll his eyes.

41:35

And it's like, oh, embarrassing. I didn't know when he wanted to

41:37

come a tea. But yeah. But

41:39

you know, it's sort of crazy to me that you think, you

41:41

know, that you don't

41:44

think you're confident, right? Because you seem like ever

41:46

since I've known you, you've seen one of the most confident

41:48

and assured people. Obviously, we don't, you know,

41:52

we judge other people by what we see. So

41:54

to me, you would think, I know, but even like 15 years

41:57

ago, you seemed like incredibly confident

41:59

about who. you were. We don't know what's going on

42:02

inside other people. That's what I love about this book

42:08

is that it sort of reveals that. The first

42:09

time I did this podcast I was shitting

42:12

myself. This was years ago, wasn't

42:14

it? The first time. And I had to have a big wine to actually

42:19

knock back a wine for my confidence. But I remember

42:21

standing out there going, God, I feel sick

42:24

now.

42:24

Nor me. And that's why it's such a success.

42:26

And it does show. Oh, lovely.

42:39

And there isn't very much, if anything, about

42:42

the three months we worked together on Fubar in the

42:44

book. I'm disappointed. Disappointed

42:46

there isn't. Is it you waiting for another whole

42:48

book about that? Or is there? Is there not even a

42:50

mention of that? I don't think even. Someone said

42:53

that you'd say that when

42:55

you got into trouble on the Jeff Lloyd show

42:57

you did that because you were used to working on my

42:59

show, on an internet show where you could say

43:01

what you wanted and think that means our

43:03

show. I mean, we couldn't get into trouble

43:05

on our show because you were allowed to send what you wanted and

43:08

no one was listening. So it was

43:10

absolutely impossible to get into trouble.

43:12

And it was the same producer though that for

43:14

that show that was on Jeff Lloyd's

43:15

show.

43:17

So I saw her

43:18

and I just thought, well, it's cart-blast. So what we want.

43:20

And then turns out there are off-com

43:22

regulations. I

43:26

mean, it's sort of incredible that you've

43:31

got through all this time and still got

43:33

other jobs. What? Hang

43:36

on. Let's just rewind

43:38

there. It's incredible that I got worse. What?

43:40

Because if you're breaking off-com regulations,

43:43

you'd think... One time. Well, yeah, but you'd think we would go,

43:45

all right, let's not book that girl again. Well, Russell

43:47

Brand did that and raped loads of people and he's

43:50

still got work. Up until now

43:53

and then I think he will try

43:56

up a bit now.

43:58

One time.

43:59

Yeah, I know, but you know what I mean? Even

44:02

when you were working... I felt so bad about that.

44:04

I love Jeff Lloyd. He's such a good broadcaster

44:07

as well. I felt so bad about that. I

44:08

sent them all sort of pastries, but you sort

44:10

of think, that's not really going to cut it.

44:14

But people, I think there's something about it that people

44:16

do kind of give you another chance and forgive you

44:18

and love you, because no one thinks anything you would do comes

44:23

from a mean place. But I think you made one mistake.

44:25

Come on. I've made loads, but I mean,

44:27

in that context... I've

44:28

read the book. You can't just say it

44:30

was one mistake. But

44:31

I've done loads of live stuff and I've

44:33

never sworn since. I've never said

44:35

anything rude. In fairness, actually, I didn't

44:37

swear.

44:38

No, that's true. I said, have you got

44:40

time to suck me off? Which

44:43

actually isn't swearing. But

44:45

it seems like I've done loads of live stuff and nobody's

44:47

like, you've

44:48

got to learn. Sometimes you've got to learn

44:50

the hard way. But people make mistakes and

44:52

people...

44:52

People have done that, like on Ed and Matt's

44:55

radio show. They

45:01

were saying that a couple of people were sworn and stuff and they didn't

45:04

get in trouble.

45:05

I got in trouble on six music

45:07

when I did the show with Andrew Collins. I spilled coffee

45:09

on myself. And I said, oh,

45:11

it looks like I pissed myself. You didn't

45:13

get in trouble for that. I got in trouble for that. I had

45:15

to apologize at the next break. It was like Saturday morning,

45:18

but even so, I mean, that's... I don't understand

45:20

what the boundaries are

45:22

because I do in

45:24

life, but

45:26

I often step in for Ellis

45:28

or John on that radio show and obviously

45:31

that's live and there's no dump button to the

45:33

layer and never got in trouble.

45:36

But I don't under... Because sometimes I'll say to the producer,

45:38

well, can I say that? You

45:40

can say weird body parts. I

45:43

think you can say labia, I

45:45

jacked. Did I check? That's the first

45:47

thing I did, walked in. Can I say

45:49

labia? Of course you can. Knock yourself out. We get three

45:52

per show.

45:53

But you can say certain things

45:55

but not others and it blows my mind because John

45:58

said making the phrase... making

46:00

love on one of them and

46:01

I was like, I was a goth. He

46:03

was talking about what he'd

46:05

been up to that weekend. Yeah,

46:09

well, I think if you use the correct

46:11

anatomical terms, you're OK. But

46:14

I've got lots of radio stations at the moment. I've

46:17

got lots of radio stations to talk about

46:19

testicular cancer. I never know quite what I'm allowed to say. You

46:26

should be allowed to say testicular cancer, right? So that's fine.

46:28

You'd be able to speak for that. So,

46:31

yeah, it is a minefield. Well, look, I usually ask

46:33

my book club guests

46:35

if they're reading anything by anyone else at the moment

46:38

that they'd like to recommend. Are you

46:40

a big reader? Yeah,

46:41

I am actually. Go to your phases. I'm

46:45

very excited to meet Debra Levy. Well, I'm not going

46:47

to meet her. I'm going to go to her talk first in

46:49

a couple of weeks. I might meet her. She's

46:53

one of my faves. And then I'm reading,

46:55

I'm halfway through Joly Alderton's new one, but I don't think

46:57

that's out yet. But obviously that's very good. She's great. What

47:01

did I read recently? Monica Hycees, which I

47:03

thought was really good. Really good,

47:06

actually, I think it's called.

47:10

I guess I like women also. It's

47:13

good to have more of those. You're an amazing

47:16

comedian. You're going to be amazing ice skater. I'm

47:18

sure you'll be in the Olympics with the ice skating

47:20

very soon.

47:21

I watched Itonia. My friend told me to watch Itonia.

47:24

It'll really get you

47:25

in the mood for dancing. I

47:27

watched it with my friend who's just coming out of a

47:29

really horrible relationship, really

47:33

dark. And I

47:34

was like, oh yeah, my friend said this will really get me in

47:36

there. He's like, yeah, just a light hot fucking hell. I

47:41

couldn't sleep.

47:43

Yeah, don't take it that seriously.

47:46

I'm going to kneecap Claire Sweeney.

47:49

I love Claire Sweeney. I'm very excited about meeting

47:51

Claire Sweeney. Well, look, really good luck on

47:53

dancing with our nice... Thank you. And

47:55

then I just pop off, do I? And wait, are we going off together?

47:58

Yeah, OK. Go and buy. Lou Sanders,

48:00

What's That Lady Doing, false starts and happy endings.

48:04

And there is a happy ending. It

48:06

takes you up to last year, where

48:09

I did get heartbroken and of course, My

48:11

stepdad

48:12

died! But,

48:14

well

48:14

it's about dealing with grief and loss, but in a fun

48:17

way. Yeah. But yeah, it takes you

48:18

up to there. Well look, nothing, you know, Nothing

48:20

lasts. Nothing gets, you don't get to a point where things

48:22

are better, but it doesn't stop bad things happening as well.

48:25

No, you've got one more. Then you can, exactly. But

48:28

I'm still here and that's all. Yeah. Just

48:30

about. Yeah. And so, maybe not for a while. And thank

48:33

you for having me on your lovely show. It's my pleasure, always

48:35

lovely to see you. Please write a book about the

48:38

turbulent three months at Foo Bar Radio.

48:41

I'll write a blog. Yeah. I

48:43

can't really remember much about it at all.

48:46

I used to come in with whisky at 2pm. Good

48:49

times. Knock yourself

48:51

out, you'd be fucked for a year. Ladies

48:54

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48:57

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49:01

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