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0:07

Welcome to you. To

0:10

this special feature of

0:12

Manuel doors. 169

0:16

this time, it is

0:31

Welcome to Roman Emperor, sir Terence Rankium.

0:33

I am Jamie. An ad rob, and this is episode

0:35

one hundred and sixty nine, and

0:38

it is, as you may have guessed by

0:40

the introduction. Medwell

0:42

doors. Medwell, the

0:45

doors. You've

0:47

been looking forward to this one, Jeremy. I

0:49

really have. I really, really have. Are you

0:51

hoping that Manuel does is everything

0:53

that we we have built them up

0:55

to be I I'm not hoping

0:57

I know I know he's everything. How

1:00

disappointed will you be if he's actually

1:02

a completely pathetic loser of an

1:04

emperor? Well, that's not gonna

1:06

happen, so I don't even think about it. Okay. That's

1:08

good. That's good to be fun. Right. I'm

1:10

gonna warn you. It's as I have

1:12

already warned you in previous episodes, gonna

1:14

be along today. It's our last nine episode

1:17

of the Roman Empire is Oh.

1:20

Yeah. So we should probably dive into

1:22

this. We start on the twenty seventh

1:25

of June in the thirteen

1:27

fifty. What a late sounding

1:29

date that is? Nice, like end almost

1:31

like end of summer. Can

1:32

I even know it's the beginning of summer? Yeah.

1:35

Yeah. That's nice nice summer days.

1:37

Than the mid-1300s. The

1:39

days were getting longer the night

1:41

shorter. The the black deaf was wafting

1:43

in the razors. It was what's

1:44

on my nose? Oh, what is

1:46

that smell? Well, Helena

1:49

and John five have just had their second

1:51

son and they have named him

1:54

Manuel Doss. Or he probably

1:56

named himself. Let's be honest. Yeah.

1:58

Oh, yeah. No. He said

1:59

it. He he named his parents as well.

2:02

That's how it works. Name is

2:05

Mendoitte. The name is Mendoitte,

2:08

pleased to meet you.

2:11

Instead. You may call me, sir.

2:14

Yeah. Anyway, let's just be

2:16

clear because it's it's been a little while

2:18

since we've got a less last episode. We'll make

2:20

sure you know what the family is

2:22

and how everyone relates to each other. We've

2:24

jumped around a bit. So remember, we had jump

2:26

five He's the emperor who we covered a

2:28

few episodes back. And then we

2:30

covered his first 169, and then his

2:32

grandson, that's Andrew. Yes. Or

2:35

worse than ever, and then John

2:37

seven. Yeah. Yeah.

2:39

So today, we're covering John five

2:42

169, so this is brother two

2:44

Andronica's four were

2:45

seven. Right? 169 uncle

2:48

two John that we covered last time.

2:50

Yeah. Yeah. Is that clear? Good. Okay.

2:52

So just like his brother, Andronikus Manuel

2:55

was born during the time of John five and

2:57

John six and Cazenos having their

2:59

civil war. Just like Androlika's

3:01

four, Manuel spent his first few years

3:03

moving about quite a bit. By the age

3:06

of three, he'd already lived in Digitown

3:08

and the island of Tenadusts.

3:10

And in Thessalonica briefly,

3:13

been mastered making red wine.

3:15

Yes. Every time he went

3:17

to, he mastered a new skill. He's --

3:19

Yeah. Red wine in Didi

3:21

town, rolling black cigarettes

3:23

on

3:24

Canada's. Yes. And

3:26

Tahitos in in Trinidad Tobago.

3:29

Yes. He has. He popped there as well. And then

3:31

when he was probably too young to understand

3:34

the politics, but

3:36

not too young to for his own cigarettes.

3:38

His father would have taken Constantinople

3:41

and become the emperor. His older

3:44

brother, Angelikus, was made co emperor

3:46

and as we've covered. So

3:48

his earliest memories probably would have

3:50

been of this. His brother being

3:52

air and his father becoming the emperor.

3:55

He would have been raised typical for royal prince

3:58

soon there were more princes, brothers

4:00

Michael and Theodore soon followed And

4:03

there were also

4:04

sisters, but as per usual, we

4:06

don't know how many there are, massaging of the Romans.

4:09

Yeah. But,

4:09

yeah, just know there's a couple of brothers around

4:12

Now we get our first concrete mentions of Manuel

4:14

when he's sixteen years old. No longer

4:16

a little boy. His father realizing that

4:18

he needed help against the Ottomans had decided

4:21

to take the unprecedented step of

4:23

traveling to the Catholic Kingdom

4:25

of Hungary and asking for aid.

4:27

The air andronicus was left behind

4:29

remember But going with that

4:32

was Manuel and Michael. As

4:34

mentioned before, we have no detail on this

4:36

meeting. But as we speculate John

4:39

five almost certainly agreed to become a Catholic

4:41

in this meeting and also steer

4:43

the entire empire towards the western

4:45

church. Yes. But what we do

4:47

know about the meeting for certain is that

4:49

when John left, he left his

4:52

son Manuel behind as a hostage.

4:56

Caught us hostage ever. Obviously, we've covered

4:58

this kind of thing before Manuel would have been treated

5:00

very well, guessed about that kind of hostage,

5:02

but he was definitely there just just to

5:04

make sure that the emperor didn't

5:06

do anything just to annoy the Hungarians.

5:09

So -- Yeah. -- Manuel, you you stay here. So

5:11

Manuel would have just been part of the Hungarian

5:13

court for a while. He would have heard

5:15

at some point that his father had been stopped

5:18

by the Bulgarians on the way home and

5:20

essentially taken prisoner 169 that

5:22

his elder brother was doing nothing to

5:24

help. He just sits there all

5:26

the time.

5:27

Yeah. Well, Manuel can't do anything. He's

5:29

guest of the Hungarians, so he just

5:31

has to says he would be rude to kill my hosts.

5:34

Yeah.

5:34

Exactly. So he's he's not gonna go on

5:36

quest for vengeance. I mean, it's in his heart.

5:38

Nice. But

5:39

Totalus there's lots of young

5:41

Hungarian maidens to

5:44

get to know, I'm sure. So

5:47

Yeah. Come on. Come on. So so

5:50

he stays in Hungary. Next

5:53

thing he would have heard is that Lord flash

5:55

out the green counter Armando of sausage

5:58

of Subbuoy had rescued his

6:00

father. What a title? Some

6:06

of those titles are historically

6:08

accurate. Yes.

6:11

So his father was rescued. Manuel,

6:14

being sixteen a hostage, like I say,

6:16

not involved, but he would have heard of

6:18

it. And at some point, he was released

6:20

from Hungary. We don't know how

6:22

or when this happens. He

6:25

just he just said, I'm going for

6:27

a work. Yeah. Probably. I

6:29

might see you soon. Yeah.

6:31

I've read off sunset gone.

6:33

Yeah. Which is weird because if you're riding

6:36

to Constantinople from Hungary, you'd

6:39

actually be going east. And

6:41

therefore, the sun shouldn't be setting. But

6:44

Manuel Aria, he doesn't doesn't

6:46

have to worry about that kind of thing. The sun sat

6:48

in the east dammit. Physics Shmimiks.

6:50

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So

6:52

anyway, within year, he is back

6:55

in Constantinople. We know that

6:57

he's back in Constantinople because we

6:59

know that he was part of that meeting when

7:02

the new Latin Patriarch Constantinople

7:05

met with the Maltjohn six

7:07

camped casinos to talk about the unification

7:09

of the church that we covered 169 previous

7:11

episodes. Yeah. We

7:14

speculated that Andronikus, who

7:16

definitely was there, probably sat around

7:18

and didn't contribute I'm

7:21

guessing Manuel didn't contribute too much to this

7:23

meeting

7:23

either, but in a much cooler way.

7:26

Yeah.

7:27

Yeah. Fee on the table. Use a different

7:29

color ink. Yeah.

7:32

That was his guy. High tire of

7:34

blue. Yeah. Sorry he did.

7:37

So another year passes then his father

7:39

told Manuel that he's off to the west

7:42

to see the pope and get assistance against

7:44

the Ottilans. Andronikus

7:47

was left in charge of capital when he's gone.

7:50

Don't worry, Manuel, I've given him some strict

7:52

instructions. As for you,

7:55

you are going to become the

7:57

governor of our second city thessalonica.

8:00

Now at this point, I'm going to ask you,

8:03

do you still have the triangle of

8:05

vague geographic knowledge. Oh,

8:08

yes. Oh, two hand. Excellent.

8:10

Right. So just so you're

8:11

clear, Manuel is off to thessalonics.

8:14

That's found it. Yeah. Good. It's got

8:16

a zed next. We always have a zed next to That's because

8:18

the zed next to it. But they're gone now. You can cross

8:21

that zed off. Their Zedow. Their Zedow is now back

8:23

in Roman hands. See. So

8:25

Manuel goes off to thessalonica to rule

8:27

the second set of the empire we get nothing

8:29

on him about him going to his new

8:31

city. We do hear

8:34

from him about a year later, however, because

8:37

as we have covered John that went to Rome,

8:39

met the pope, converted catholicism, then

8:41

headed to Venice, and there he made

8:44

a deal, tally up the nations, you

8:46

give me back the crown jewels, some

8:48

ships and some men. I'll sell you the

8:50

Isle of Totalus 169 the

8:53

Venetians went, yeah. Okay then. And

8:55

then John wrote to his son, Andronicus,

8:57

to arrange 169, refused

9:00

to remember. Mhmm. Yeah. Unlike Islands,

9:03

So John, the Emperor was trapped

9:05

in Venice, very embarrassing. We

9:07

get few details, but it appears that Manuel,

9:10

who is twenty one by this point, by the way,

9:12

heard of his father's plight 169 his

9:14

brothers refusal to help 169 took

9:17

matters upon himself. He

9:19

set sail to Venice to pay for

9:21

his father's freedom. According to

9:23

OneSource, his arrival I quote

9:25

here filled the parental eyes

9:28

with joy. Like Abel's

9:29

eyes.

9:29

Oh, look at, man, who's Manuel? He's

9:31

Manuel. Yeah. I like the legend

9:33

says. Yeah. I'd like think

9:35

that he wasn't asked to do this at all.

9:38

John was just in Venice sparing,

9:40

then a Jamaican massage just just

9:42

strums softly in the window

9:45

there's man well. Throws a purse

9:47

of gold, he does. Oh, but

9:49

the I have gone. So

9:52

Manuel, hands over cash. He

9:55

braised this cash in thessalonica through

9:58

taxes, which did not

10:00

necessarily go down too well with the people living

10:02

in the city. Remember, as you just

10:04

crossed out that zed thessalonica isn't the

10:06

most loyal of cities in

10:08

the Roman Empire? No. No.

10:10

So then paying their hard earned cash to

10:13

save an emperor that they were that keen on

10:16

weren't too happy about it. But still,

10:18

Manuel went to Venice, freed

10:20

his father by paying some of the money owed

10:22

back. Manuel himself, however,

10:25

guess what he's got to do 169 jump five

10:27

leaves.

10:29

No. Same as before. He's got to stay

10:32

behind as a hostage. Oh. Oh.

10:34

Yeah. I will be

10:36

a hostage. No. No. No. It's perfectly

10:38

fine. No. No. I

10:40

will be a hostage. Either

10:43

that or people just keep asking him

10:45

to stay where he goes.

10:47

He was just so cool. Just

10:50

just stay a bit longer. Duty

10:52

calls ever

10:53

go. What if we said you were a

10:55

hostage? Now it's

10:57

not clear how long man was stayed in Venice,

10:59

but it wasn't long. Most likely

11:01

until he got bored. Yeah. Most

11:03

likely until John was able to get home and

11:06

send more of the cash that

11:08

he owed. Still, he was definitely no longer

11:10

than a year in Bellis, and soon enough he

11:12

was back in Thessalonica. 169 here,

11:14

we see one of the first cases of Manuela

11:17

hitting on his own. Because while he was

11:19

getting home, the Ottomans and the Serbians

11:21

had finished up a decisive war,

11:23

and the Ottomans had come out on top.

11:25

And Manuel 169 when Manuel got

11:27

back from the west, he saw how weak the

11:30

Serbians were and decided to take back

11:32

the city of Cerus from them. If

11:34

you remember it from back back in John

11:36

Canada's Gazette' episode, the

11:38

city was lost to the Serbians. So

11:40

-- Yeah. -- the Serbians were weak Manuel

11:43

was able to take the city back parleye. So

11:45

if you look at the giant goal, there

11:47

you go, but a thickness to Sarah's. It's

11:50

back in the empire. Where else

11:52

is it? It's sort of in in the middle to

11:54

the left of thessalonaka quite close to

11:56

it.

11:56

Oh, yeah. Found it. Found it. Yeah. There we go.

11:58

Yay. Ampont's grown again. Yeah.

12:01

So there you go. That's AAA city

12:03

close to thessalonica back

12:05

in the empire. Fantastic. His

12:08

father was very pleased publicly announced

12:10

that Manuel would rule over any land

12:12

reclaimed for the Roman empire. Now

12:14

remember back to his ANDROLICIS'

12:17

episode, this is when him and ANDROLICIS

12:19

are having a big falling out. However,

12:21

ANDROLICIS is an awful 169. So

12:23

Manuel's really on the rise here.

12:26

However, things start going downhill

12:28

because this is roughly the same time that John

12:30

five goes to the Sultan Morad

12:33

and accepted becoming a vast state.

12:37

Yeah. We do not have Manuel's reaction

12:39

to this, but we get the feeling it was not good

12:41

based on on things that he does

12:43

throughout his life, he got the feeling that he

12:45

was not happy with his father giving

12:48

him to the Ottomans, sir, I am merely

12:50

disappointed. Now making the period

12:52

even more politically confusing is the

12:54

fact that this is when his brother andronicus joined

12:57

forces with the son of Morad and they

12:59

revolted together. We

13:02

have less no detail on what Manuel

13:04

was doing at this time. But if

13:06

you remember, well, yeah, remember

13:08

the revolt failed and Andronikis 169 his

13:11

son John were blinded and thrown in

13:14

jail. Yes. I remember that. Yeah.

13:16

Again, we don't have my mask reaction, but

13:19

probably you get the feeling he didn't get on

13:21

with his brother. But I don't know. Would he have

13:23

liked the fatest brother was blinded? In the snuffier.

13:25

Mhmm. Who knows? An eye

13:28

for an

13:28

eye.

13:29

Does it make sense, Manuel? It

13:31

does. Think about it. It's

13:33

just an eye and an eye. But

13:36

his brother's in jail as

13:38

is his nephew, so a

13:40

new heir is needed. So in September

13:42

of thirteen seventy three, Manuel

13:45

becomes coemperor and heir

13:48

a ray. And then the next three years

13:50

pass in relative peace. Nice. Manwao

13:52

ruled the second city as air, but

13:55

it would appear he spent significant some time in the

13:57

capital as well. It's hard to pin down his movements

13:59

at this time. But then his brother

14:01

is broken out at prison by the genoese. As

14:04

covered, Andrulikus was able to take the

14:06

city with the help of the genoese and

14:08

the Ottomans because Murat's just having fun

14:10

playing. Everyone off each other.

14:13

I heard yeah. Manuel and

14:15

his father and also his younger brother

14:17

Theodore were captured and thrown

14:19

into the same prison that Andronika's four

14:21

had been in. Mhmm. According

14:24

to 169 source, Andronika's four ordered that

14:26

Manuela and his father be placed in wooden

14:28

cages. Within their mouths just

14:30

to make it even more uncomfortable. I think think

14:33

my 169 walked in and just saw a

14:35

burnt bed. Yes. This

14:38

is where we speculated that Manuel

14:40

just played cards with the the rat.

14:42

The rat. So he was probably just doing that.

14:44

But interestingly, We

14:46

do actually get some details from Manuel's

14:48

perspective. The reason why

14:50

this is a longer episode is because quite

14:53

a bit of Manuel's writings survive. He

14:56

made a few speeches in his life when

14:58

he was pleased with his speeches, he

15:01

wrote them down and he sent them to his friends

15:03

169 they survived. And in one

15:05

of his speeches, this is

15:08

much later in life at his brother's funeral.

15:11

He recounts the time that he and his brother

15:13

were thrown into jail. Together. So

15:15

we actually do get a bit of detail. So he

15:17

says that his cell was like a tomb

15:20

and that I quote darkness prevailed within.

15:22

So Not

15:24

a happy time. He wrote that at one point,

15:27

he had a wound on his head his

15:29

brother Theodore helped him cradle he

15:31

said. So we're guessing Manuel was beaten

15:33

or Balagaard somewhat. He also mentioned

15:36

a plot to free Theodore

15:38

that would have worked if his cowardly father

15:41

had not backed out, fearing for

15:43

his own life. Mhmm. Yeah.

15:46

Now, like I said, this all comes from a speech

15:48

much later on in life and

15:51

Manuel and his father had fallen out by

15:53

this point. So who knows how true this is,

15:55

but apparently there were several plots

15:57

to to break out to prison, and

15:59

his father was slowing them down. He went

16:01

on to describe the time I quote here,

16:03

as for everyone under such

16:05

circumstances, I should be doing it in

16:07

the man, wow. I was fairly shook my head. I

16:10

said, 169 under such circumstances, it

16:12

was necessary to turn to many activities

16:15

so I could sketch a little the

16:17

cloud of despair with some leisure

16:20

and not surrender completely to

16:22

the present 169 future evils.

16:25

No one could do that. So

16:27

at this time, it seemed good to

16:30

me to continuously occupy myself

16:32

with this activity. Spending

16:35

time with books day and nights, along

16:37

with performing my duty

16:39

to god. It was necessary to

16:41

use the latter whenever I turn to

16:44

such an occupation.

16:46

So he's reading a lot. Before he said

16:48

he's reading, it sounded like he's up to something else.

16:50

No. No. He's definitely reading. I'm sure that's

16:53

gonna use the phone to say, yes. He's definitely

16:55

reading

16:56

the hell out of his books. Oh, he's gotta use a lot

16:58

of Sometimes four or five times a day. It's

17:00

it's really dark. It's hard to see what's going on

17:02

in the

17:03

cell. It's cutting it's cutting it's a lamp.

17:05

Yeah. Oh, sorry. It's a bit more light

17:07

carrier. Since I was bereft

17:10

of an instructor, I could not

17:12

advance in many respects in proportion

17:14

to my great labors, yet

17:16

in the continuity of activity, an

17:19

utterly tyrannical love for locust

17:21

was imprinted into my soul, and

17:23

it prevailed over all things

17:26

as to make me not simply a

17:28

lover, but a craving 169

17:30

too. See,

17:33

Tonya has a reading book No. He's definitely not

17:35

reading books. He's

17:38

he's a he's a raving lover of something.

17:41

He's got a thirst. For for

17:43

knowledge. For for

17:45

theology. That's what it is. He's doing

17:47

a lot about theology. Really

17:49

shaken out theology. Yeah.

17:53

Yeah. So don't think manacles

17:56

chained to a wall. But do think

17:59

dark, damp conditions 169 they're

18:01

able to smuggle in books to them occasionally

18:03

to keep himself occupied. Unpleasant

18:05

but not three years of actual

18:07

torture. Is is what we're looking

18:09

at here. Just

18:10

an occasional beating kind of thing. Anyway,

18:13

all this is written after by Manuel

18:15

to make himself look good. Remember, he

18:17

wanted to make it seem like he got through tough

18:19

times by becoming more educated and

18:21

closer to guards. Who knows, maybe he did do

18:23

this while he wasn't present? We

18:26

we don't know. What we do know is three years

18:28

after being imprisoned, Manuel, his father

18:30

and younger brother escape. We

18:32

don't know for certain one source claims

18:34

that they were smuggled in a file

18:37

they're able to literally file away the

18:39

boughs and crawl out

18:41

classic, hope the file was in a cake.

18:44

169. OneSource

18:46

says that a man named Angelos, who

18:49

had a nickname the devil, lowered

18:52

them out of a window. Interesting. Yeah.

18:54

I I like the fact that someone

18:56

called Angelos has an nickname to the devil.

18:59

Let's combine the stories. Let's just say the devil

19:01

smuggled in a file. Together they

19:03

packed open a

19:04

window, and then they loads -- Yeah. --

19:06

load them out. Okay. I like to

19:08

think my wilders walked out the front door. It's like, I'm

19:11

leaving now.

19:12

Yeah. I've had my fill. He

19:14

just got to the end of the book. was really angry.

19:18

Bye bye. Goodbye.

19:20

Just close the book, places it gently

19:22

down on the table, my time here

19:24

is

19:24

done, and

19:25

he leaves. First lady

19:28

is like, are you gonna clean up all those tissues? They

19:33

are the leader of my love.

19:38

And then he just leaves. Frustratingly,

19:41

in the speech where Manuel has been

19:43

talking about this he says he

19:45

won't go into details of the escape

19:48

because everyone already is familiar with

19:50

the

19:50

story, which is very annoying.

19:52

Yeah. Yeah. Because we got it probably seven hundred

19:55

years ago, but -- Yeah. -- as much now.

19:57

Yeah. Exactly. So who knows? Anyway,

19:59

As covered, there was then a period of cold

20:01

civil war betweendialysis four

20:03

and John five, backed by the genoies

20:06

and the Ottomans. During this civil war,

20:08

Manuel is set to go and fight for

20:11

the Ottomans in Anatolia. Remember,

20:14

jump five is pretty much said, I'll be your

20:16

vassal, and Murad,

20:18

the sultans said, okay, then

20:20

send me one of your sons to fight for me.

20:22

Just make sure that you

20:24

soundboard. So again, which one

20:26

should I send?

20:30

Well, we've got Manuel Yet

20:32

again being a hostage that seems to be his

20:34

life. It's going from one place to another, just

20:36

being a hostage. This

20:38

time, however, not as a guest of Honor,

20:41

but as a

20:42

fighter. He's actually in part of

20:44

the Army fighting for the Ottomans

20:46

in Manitoba.

20:49

At this time, Moranbah is trying

20:51

to take over the rest of Anatolia, squash

20:53

down the over emperors that are in the

20:55

area. So,

20:57

yeah, he would have been involved in that that

21:00

fighting. The civil war ends

21:02

with the agreement that we've covered John five

21:04

would become an emperor again, angelica's four

21:07

would become the heir again. John

21:09

seven becomes the next

21:12

in line. Blother Theodore, by the way,

21:14

is going to be given Moria to rule.

21:16

That's the bottom of the triangle south of

21:18

Greece. As for Manuel, well,

21:20

He was in Anatolia when he heard the news,

21:23

and he returned to the capital, but

21:25

not for long. Manuel was not

21:27

happy by this point. He

21:29

felt like his father was being too weak

21:31

with the Ottomans. His brother was being

21:33

and nuisance kept trying to

21:35

revolt. They were both as bad as each other.

21:38

So Manuel decided he's just

21:41

going to go back to Thessalonaka. Didn't

21:44

ask 169. He just left. And

21:46

said, I'm going to boil off the salonika

21:49

body. So

21:51

that's what he did. Once there, he

21:53

started to run the city as his own

21:55

independent city. He did this

21:57

for several years. His brother

21:59

died in this period to make him the succession

22:02

unclear once more. He did listen

22:04

to his farmer, but then he just did his own thing

22:06

afterwards. And his own

22:08

thing was to defend the city

22:10

against any invaders. this included

22:13

the Ottomans. And he was very loud

22:15

when he was starting to say things like this.

22:19

So there's his father saying

22:21

to Mulat, don't worry, we're

22:24

your vassal state, but his own

22:26

son is in the second city

22:28

of the Empire, loudly saying the Ottomans

22:30

are here illegally we need to fight

22:32

them. Through Flamenco dances? Yes.

22:35

Right. As you can imagine, this greatly annoys

22:38

Morat. He saw this as a betrayal of the

22:40

vessel ship. The Sultan

22:42

ordered jump five to reign his son-in.

22:45

Jump five said to Manuel

22:48

stop. Stop what you're doing with

22:50

vassals. Manuel returns

22:52

around and says, no. So John

22:56

five says, find you traitor

22:59

them. You are no longer part of

23:01

my family. You are a traitor to

23:03

the Roman Empire.

23:04

Step down. Let's just step down

23:07

I want to step down. Yes. That's

23:09

exactly what Manuel says. So

23:11

Manuel and John five fall out.

23:13

By this time, Morad has ordered

23:15

for Thessalonica to be taken. Just

23:17

just take it into the Ottoman Empire

23:19

completely. However, slight

23:22

problem with this. Thessalonica was

23:24

very difficult to take. There's

23:26

a reason why it's one of the last cities

23:28

in the Roman empire. It's bloody hard

23:30

to take. The gentleman in charge of

23:32

taking Thessalonica wasn't able to take the

23:34

city, but he did take Sayers, which

23:37

was nearby, just to show Manuel.

23:39

So if you look back on your triangle and

23:42

you pull a tip next to it

23:43

earlier, cross that out. So this has

23:45

gone again. Second

23:47

time out to do this.

23:48

Yeah. We got Sara,

23:51

Sharon over the wall. Yeah. Sonica. Just

23:53

listening to the lovely Florento music. Just

23:56

a solitary tear goes

23:58

down. Man who else cheaper

24:00

would be avenged.

24:01

Yeah. And then he he burns

24:03

a map of Cerus 169 then just sort

24:05

of floats the ashes

24:07

into the breathes he plays. Yeah.

24:11

Anyway, word was then sent into

24:14

the city. The word was surrender.

24:16

Look, what happened to Sayers. Didn't just

24:19

take the city, we destroyed it,

24:21

and we have sold most citizens into

24:23

slavery. So you need to

24:25

surrender. We're coming into thessalonica.

24:28

Those of you who we don't kill, we

24:30

will sell into slavery. It will be

24:32

a massacre. Or

24:34

you can surrender and everyone can

24:36

carry on with their lives. So

24:39

Manwai looked at this offer and

24:41

scuffed. How

24:44

little did they know the spirit of the people

24:46

of Thessalonica, he said. We

24:48

would rather be slaves to live

24:50

under the rule of the enemy. He

24:53

said. Right?

24:56

He said, looking around. What

25:00

is everyone? Yeah.

25:03

There there were some people left listening to

25:05

him, but they were shuffling around looking awkward

25:07

for quite meeting his eye. Yeah.

25:11

Unfortunately, despite apparently being a fairly popular

25:13

roller, Manuel was kind of losing support here,

25:16

the options seemed quite clear in the city

25:18

as that we are gonna

25:19

lose. We can either give up and live

25:21

or we can put up a dramatic class

25:24

stand. And

25:27

he's just poor, you know, Tony. He's just

25:30

first farm. He's spent he'd been building

25:32

it money for years and years by his very first farm.

25:35

Kerosence on to Sprout. Potato is

25:37

around the go ready for winter season. He's

25:39

like, I

25:41

I spent my life saving the list. Yeah.

25:43

Come on, man. Well, I I love

25:45

my I love my crop. Don't be

25:47

forgiven of my crop. Manuel, please.

25:50

Manuel puts his hand

25:52

on Tony's shoulder, but we will fight.

25:54

No.

25:56

No. My

25:59

carrots. Yeah. Manuel realizes

26:01

that he's gonna need some help.

26:03

Before his own people turned against him.

26:06

So -- Yeah. -- he writes

26:08

to various western leaders but

26:11

little or no replies come. For

26:13

four years, Manuel struggles

26:15

against the siege from the Ottomans. While

26:17

his own father is declaring him as

26:20

a traitor and a usurper. Eventually,

26:23

it becomes clear to Manuel, he's

26:25

not going to win this. The city

26:27

has lost its desire to fight. They were

26:29

going to lose. It will be better

26:31

around less surrender rather than tie fighting.

26:34

So In April thirteen eighty

26:36

five, age thirty seven, he

26:39

secretly sails away from the city,

26:41

accepting that he has lost. Using

26:44

his FOMECO guitar as an

26:46

or, just splashing through

26:48

the waves. Yeah.

26:53

So where's it gonna go? Is that

26:56

the island? That's that's Santa Cruz.

26:58

No. Thumbbeggett? Ten ten

27:00

of us? That's the one. Telados.

27:03

Well, actually, he didn't quite get the island

27:05

right, but yes, the first thing he does do is go to a Greek

27:07

island, Les Boston, in fact, and

27:09

he stays there for a while. This name,

27:11

this island does live up to his name. Yeah.

27:15

He he doesn't last their long. He realizes

27:17

he is going to be an

27:19

outlaw for the rest of his life unless

27:22

he can get something settled. And

27:24

as we had seen before, with his

27:26

father and his brother, there's only

27:28

one person of power in the area.

27:31

Unless you get this person's forgiveness, you're

27:34

not gonna last long. So,

27:36

man, well, for menco Patel in

27:38

hand goes to the Sultan

27:41

to ask for forgiveness. Ola,

27:44

I'm here to accept your forgiveness. Well,

27:51

interestingly, Murad received Manuel as

27:53

guest and actually forgave him.

27:55

And then sent him back to Constantinople,

27:57

Totalus John five, Forgive

28:00

you, son. I know I've been telling you to denounce

28:02

him for the last four or five years, but

28:04

now I'm telling you forgive him. So do that.

28:07

Which might actually tell us why Mora

28:10

did this just to keep stirring up the

28:12

Roman pot. Yeah. Yeah.

28:14

So Manuel is back in Constantinople, Farronson,

28:18

are together. A couple of

28:20

years passed, and the two seem to make up

28:22

somewhat. then we hit

28:24

what we cooked last time, which is John's episode.

28:27

Morette dies remember, and his son,

28:29

Bayazit, becomes the Ottoman Sultan.

28:32

Yes. Remember that? Yes. Bayezed

28:35

looks at Young John seven 169 decides,

28:38

yeah, actually, let's keep stowing the Roman pot.

28:40

Throw us some weight behind him and let him have

28:42

a go at

28:42

Cooling. This

28:44

is great to watch. So

28:47

in April of in ninety, John

28:49

enters the city after someone opened

28:51

the gates and the emperor John five

28:53

locked himself up in a tower in the city walls.

28:55

Manuel, however, didn't do this.

28:58

He was in the city at the time. But instead

29:00

of locking himself up, he flees. He's

29:02

back in his little boat paddling with his guitar

29:04

again.

29:06

Oh, yeah. think I forgot to know the Lesbos.

29:08

I don't think I checked that one. Well,

29:10

he believes he doesn't just flee, but in his boat,

29:13

it's all his valuables. Flees with

29:15

all all he has that he can

29:17

carry with him. Now, Manuel

29:19

is on shaky terms with his father. Nonetheless,

29:22

he is not about to give the Empire up

29:24

to this upstart as Nephew John

29:26

seven. So 169 he gets to

29:28

some of the Greek islands, he sells all

29:30

his belongings. He raises as much

29:32

money as he can, and then he goes

29:34

to Rhodes. Living on Rhodes at

29:36

the moment were the Knight's Hospitaler, essentially

29:39

military religious order. Very

29:42

similar to the knights templar, where

29:44

we're in this region of of history,

29:46

where you just got military groups

29:49

that are from orders from God,

29:51

of course. Therefore, they could

29:54

go around doing whatever they wanted.

29:56

Essentially, a personal unit, but pokes

29:59

on-site.

30:00

wonder if there's some interesting things with the etymology

30:02

of that, like, with the hostesses. Yes. Yes.

30:05

It is that it is all linked as far as on the web.

30:07

Friends. Yes. Anyway,

30:11

they they're willing to do fighting for cash

30:13

is all that Manuel cares

30:15

about. So he hands over the cash

30:17

-- Yeah. -- and the knights hand over their fighting.

30:19

Just just a bag of swords. Yes.

30:22

This is what I meant. Well,

30:24

using the order, Manuel was able to enter

30:26

the city after a couple of attempts over

30:29

four months. They don't get in the first

30:31

attempt, but they it doesn't take long.

30:34

His nephew was deformed 169

30:36

his father was back in church. That

30:38

was the glorious reign of John seven.

30:41

See. Manuel was praised by his father,

30:43

but Besid was not happy at all. His plan

30:45

had failed. And he wrote to John,

30:48

send Manuel to me. I

30:50

want him in my court. So

30:52

off Manuel goes, off to be a hostage

30:54

once more. Now from

30:56

what historians can gather, Manuel and

30:58

Besid did not get on at all.

31:01

Get the feeling that Manuela Moretz, bears

31:03

its father, kinda got on well enough.

31:06

Yeah. This is a completely different

31:09

Basic would He always saw you as

31:11

the sun. Well, yeah. Just

31:13

so cool. Basic would have been around

31:15

when Manuel was there before. Remember?

31:17

When basic was just some of the saw terms.

31:20

So, yeah, maybe there was

31:22

a dislike from that period of time.

31:24

Not only do Manuel and bears it not

31:26

get on, but John seven also

31:29

turns up

31:29

soon. Well, are they all being put in the same

31:31

cell? It's just wide open or something.

31:35

A few bricks to say pull here for

31:36

escape. That kind of thing. John No

31:39

data decisions. Ever

31:40

put in jail to begin with when Manuel

31:42

the city jumbles flat. Okay.

31:47

Probably through the cell. That's how

31:49

open it is. It's

31:52

more of a walkway. What

31:56

a lean to at this side of business.

31:59

So, yeah, Uncle and Nephew are forced

32:01

to fight for the Sultan in

32:03

the Sultan's court whilst John five

32:05

gets on with ruling the Empire

32:08

Both take part in the siege of Philadelphia.

32:11

Philadelphia is one of the very few

32:13

Greek cities left in Anatolia. No

32:16

longer part of the empire, but it's it's

32:18

not been taken by any of

32:20

the emperors yet.

32:23

But you've got two

32:25

heirs of the Roman throne attacking

32:27

a Greek city for the

32:29

Ottomans, to which the Ottomans

32:31

find hilarious. Yeah.

32:34

Yeah. People Philadelphia less so.

32:36

Phase it was able to use Manuel, being

32:38

with him to his advantage also, when

32:41

he learned that John five was

32:43

starting to strengthen the walls of Constantinople.

32:46

He wrote to John saying stop, strengthening

32:49

your walls, or I will take

32:51

the eyes of Manuel. 169

32:54

as we saw at the end of John's episode,

32:56

this was too much for John. He retreated.

32:58

He fell ill. And he died.

33:01

So there we go after several episodes we

33:03

finally got to the point in the narrative

33:05

where we are moving forward into the unknown.

33:08

New material. Oh my goodness. New material. Yes.

33:11

Like being at sea. Yes. It is.

33:13

Say, let's do this. Bayes it.

33:16

Had the two claimants for the throne

33:18

in his

33:18

power. I mean, they're both

33:19

with him. He's got Manuel and he's got John.

33:21

He would be able to make them play off each other

33:24

as to who was allowed to go back and be the next Roman

33:26

emperor. Now, I've read two

33:28

different versions on what happens next,

33:30

so you can choose which one. This is

33:32

like those books we get to choose the next beach

33:34

web snacks. Cool. Either Manuel

33:37

received word of his father's death. And

33:40

escaped, rushed to the capital

33:42

169 claimed his throne. Or

33:45

Behzad decided that Manuel

33:47

could be the emperor, gave him a ship allowed him

33:50

to go. Or three, Manuel

33:52

just said, I'm importer, I'm

33:54

off. Okay?

33:56

Yeah. Actually, that kind of covers

33:58

both, doesn't it? Because -- Yeah.

33:59

-- that's that's still his agency him leaving.

34:01

And I'm guessing bears that told himself that

34:03

he chose Manuel, Like, after

34:05

Manuel left the room and the the

34:08

glamour had lifted slightly. And

34:10

he was just being slightly confused of what had just

34:12

happened in the last five minutes. But

34:16

this Manuel came in and started speaking

34:18

and he strung down the tower Yes.

34:21

I just don't remember Eddie for the rest of the conversation,

34:23

but apparently he's left. Now and now he's the emperor.

34:26

Could I agree to this? I must

34:28

have done. Yes. It was me. Yes. Because it was

34:30

me. I'm the sultan. Yes. I

34:33

decided. So, yeah, that's what happened. I

34:35

basically decided. So

34:38

in March of thirteen ninety one

34:40

at the age of forty one, Manuel

34:42

Two, Doss, becomes

34:44

the emperor. Bezerd immediately decided

34:47

to ensure that the new emperor knew who was boss.

34:50

So he straightaway ordered that the

34:52

annual tribute go up. Seventy

34:54

seven, like, well, what a welcome package. There's

34:57

a little hamper. Well, a little

34:59

hamper with just a note saying you owe

35:01

me in it. Yeah.

35:04

Pay up more money. Oh, and also,

35:06

There was something else in the hamper. It was

35:08

a man. Yeah. Yeah. This

35:11

is a new adviser in your court. He's

35:13

there just to make sure that the Muslim

35:15

citizens in your city are treated well,

35:17

that's all. But he will be attending

35:19

all meetings. Ignore

35:21

the clipboard. On the next

35:23

phone. Yeah. Just

35:26

just a little bit. It's fine. Yeah.

35:29

Stop asking questions. It's fine.

35:31

Oh and I'll quote her. If

35:33

you do not accept my orders and

35:35

do as I command, then shut the

35:37

gates of your city and govern what lies

35:40

behind them for everything beyond

35:42

the gates belong to me.

35:44

Oh, so threatening.

35:50

Well, three months later, Bayez had then

35:52

summons Manuel to him. Again,

35:54

showing Manuel, who's boss, you've gotta

35:56

come to me. So

35:58

Manuel has no choice here. He's he's left

36:01

in this situation that his father was

36:02

in.

36:03

So he's heading this way already is fine.

36:07

Well, he left his mother Helena as regent

36:09

he sets out. And again, Manuel

36:11

was forced to fight for the Sultan. Alongside

36:14

his hated nephew for another six

36:16

months. Wow. So this

36:19

is not not just the heir,

36:21

this is the actual Roman emperor.

36:23

Just fighting for someone else for

36:25

six months instead of governing. I

36:27

mean, can we at least admit now that the

36:30

the air is kind of over No.

36:32

No. It's still going, Jamie. Still

36:34

got two and a half episodes left.

36:37

It's not really though. Well,

36:39

maybe it picks

36:40

up. Maybe golden age is around the corner to help me.

36:43

Alright. Okay. This morning, you know, I classroom, there's

36:45

a spider that got put in that sink

36:47

all night. Yep. One leg was missing.

36:50

It was barely alive. Yep.

36:52

My TA decides for the tap on. I

36:55

thought very sad, but got flushed down the

36:57

sink 169 it just wouldn't go down.

36:59

Just little little tiny legs hanging on.

37:01

We all knew that spider was dead, but his

37:04

legs were just clinging onto the

37:06

the holes in the tap hole thing.

37:09

And it just wouldn't just admit

37:11

that it's gone there's no

37:13

more. That is where we are.

37:17

Maybe. But maybe that spider

37:20

crawled out as soon as you stop blocking. And

37:22

right now, It's nesting

37:24

in my own. It's taking

37:26

over your classroom. Invaded

37:29

three of the classrooms. Yeah. Maybe maybe

37:32

it's all about Suriname, Jeremy. Who knows?

37:34

Because after six months, Manuel

37:37

goes back to the capital 169 Now

37:39

he can start RawLink. Bay

37:41

zed thrown his weight about showing him

37:43

who's boss, but right here we go.

37:45

Let's settle down to doing some

37:47

RawLink. So first things first,

37:50

what does he need to do? Succession. He

37:52

needs to make sure he has an heir because all

37:55

the business that's been going on lately

37:57

with his father and John's

37:59

six came to the scene, Austin. All the fallout

38:01

of that was a mess. So let's let's

38:03

have a clear succession, shall we? So

38:06

he found a Serbian princess 169

38:08

he married her. You

38:10

do. Yeah. Well, The

38:14

father of this princess, so his new

38:16

father-in-law, was also a vassal

38:18

to the Ottomans. So, obviously,

38:21

this had approval from Bezerd.

38:23

Her her name was Helena, just like his

38:25

mother's. How nice? So her

38:27

and Manuel were formally crowned in the heart

38:30

of Sofia to great fanfare. Apparently,

38:32

huge big ceremony. The the kind of ceremony

38:34

that perhaps maybe was

38:37

bit too much considering

38:39

how far the Empire is for them. But still,

38:42

tradition is competition, isn't it? So Was

38:44

it the Ghana ceremony where it's just like a

38:46

few balloons that are off? They just gotta go.

38:49

We Mister Skye.

38:51

No. No. It was full on. You've really

38:53

fancy ceremony. It shouldn't be

38:55

ceremony like that because

38:57

Budget party poppers No. No.

38:59

It was it was a lot of money spent

39:01

on it. Okay. You got the deposit process

39:03

then. Yeah. Yeah. The go were

39:05

all dressed up in their best

39:07

finery. Yeah.

39:10

It's it's very good. We have a first

39:12

hand account for a a Russian who was passing

39:15

through. And he was very impressed with

39:17

all. Mhmm. Yeah. Anyway,

39:20

during this time, I I like literally

39:22

drawing the wedding, but roughly around the

39:24

same period. Of time, the Bulgarians attempted

39:27

to fight back against the Ottomans. Like

39:29

169 in the Balkan area, they

39:31

were worried about the

39:33

Ottomans to say the least, and they

39:35

were attempting to rebel. Did not go

39:38

down well for them. The Bulgarians were

39:40

pretty much destroyed and absorbed

39:43

into the Ottoman Empire, not as a vassal

39:45

state, but as subjects. This

39:48

is, yeah, what everyone is faring.

39:50

Bezer himself was furious that

39:52

the Bulgarians dared to challenge him.

39:55

Manuel knew that he was not going to be

39:57

happy so was not loving the

39:59

fact that he had just been invited to

40:02

Sayers to meet the Sultan

40:04

personally. Just gets an invite

40:06

out the blue. Come to Cerus

40:08

now. And this is

40:10

just after the Bulgarians have been defeated.

40:13

Yeah. Well, he

40:15

can't ignore the summons, so Manuel

40:18

sets off. When he arrives, he

40:20

was quite shocked because guess who's

40:22

there? First

40:24

of all, his brother Theodore,

40:27

who's ruling Morio at the time, so

40:29

the only other Empire. So

40:31

his brother's there. Yeah.

40:34

Not only that, his

40:35

nephew, John Seven, is there. Oh,

40:38

not you. I mean, oh, not you again.

40:41

Yeah. He's just gonna call his accents the

40:43

thing.

40:44

Also, two Serbian rulers, one

40:46

of whom was his father-in-law.

40:48

Essentially, it was all the leaders of

40:51

the Balkan peninsula who were

40:53

not actually in the Ottoman Empire,

40:56

but were all vassals. All

40:58

in one place, and they all knew

41:00

that Bezid was not

41:02

happy. So what do you think is gonna happen?

41:04

Well, maybe an ultimatum, maybe

41:07

a kind of you'll be Vasily for

41:09

me, all of you. Or

41:11

Yeah. I think ultimatum was

41:14

a best case scenario on

41:16

on their heads. They they

41:18

were they were very nervous. Still,

41:20

hopefully, they'd find out what was going on in the

41:22

morning they thought. So

41:26

If you just drink your drinks, it's

41:28

certainly wonderful. Well, they all go

41:30

to bed. Manuel himself writes

41:33

what the plan was. According to him,

41:35

the Sultan, once everyone had gone to bed,

41:37

ordered a general, murder all

41:40

of them in their sleep. However,

41:42

for unknown reasons, the general disobeyed

41:45

the order, and now our quote man

41:47

well, the sultan, far from

41:49

publishing obedience, thanked

41:51

his servant for delaying the execution

41:53

of his command. Apparently,

41:56

bezid was by this time quite flighty

41:58

in his his opinions and his commands.

42:01

Just what you want in a leader. Yeah.

42:03

Exactly. Apparently, he ordered them all.

42:05

No. No. No. No. Yeah. Pretty much. That's

42:07

that's what happens. He realized

42:09

that he realized that murdering

42:11

the royal families of all his vassal

42:14

states in the Balkans in one

42:16

go might cause more harm

42:18

than goods maybe might

42:20

lead to uprisings and such. According

42:23

to Manuel, bezid however, was still

42:25

angry and wanted someone to point

42:28

his his frustration 169, and I'll quote

42:30

Manuel again here, he vented his

42:32

rage on some of that officers,

42:34

putting out their eyes 169 cutting

42:37

off their hands.

42:39

If you're happy, I can always

42:41

clap your hands. Squout.

42:43

Squout. Yeah.

42:47

Basic then apparently attempted to

42:49

present Manuel with

42:50

gifts. Guess of what.

42:52

Guess of what? Well, hands. Here's

42:55

a bag of hands.

42:56

Here's a jar of eyes and

42:58

joy. I bet it was a bag of hands.

43:03

Yeah. I I'll just quote Manuel here as

43:05

one tries to come a child with

43:07

sweets after 169 has beaten

43:10

it. Yeah.

43:12

You really get the impression that Bay is its

43:15

cocking with one log fewer

43:17

than a campfire.

43:19

Yeah. As as they say. Maybe

43:21

it's like Queenie from

43:23

Black Hatter. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely seems

43:25

a little bit a little bit like that. Anyway,

43:28

who's Hilton? Well,

43:30

they they were allowed to leave at this point

43:32

and then well gets the hell

43:35

out of there.

43:36

Yes. Thank you, Zoltan.

43:38

Thank you as well as get the hell out of it quickly

43:40

quickly. Thank

43:41

you. Yes. I gotta keep waiving. Yes.

43:43

Yes. Faster you.

43:45

He starts playing this for Mako guitar in that

43:47

really fast time instead of it.

43:52

Yeah. He gets back to the capital. Glad

43:54

to be away with his life. The this

43:57

this trip changed things for Manuel.

43:59

This was when he really decided he

44:02

needs to be his own ruler. He can't carry

44:04

on with the policies of his father. Bayes

44:07

it would be the end of him unless he does something.

44:09

And Sherwinov shortly after this, Manuel gets

44:11

another summons from the Sultan. Not

44:14

sure how long afterwards. I'd like to think five

44:16

minutes after he got back to the capital. Have

44:18

he just just written in his diary, full stop,

44:21

new letter? Oh, no. Yeah.

44:24

This time however, Manuel ignores

44:26

it. No.

44:29

I will not come. Bezed was furious.

44:32

How how dare you not come to my summons or

44:34

my vassal? So he sent

44:36

an army to burn down the populated

44:38

area outside the Constantinople City

44:40

walls 169 then blockade the capital.

44:43

You can see, not happy. Now

44:45

not not full on siege. This

44:47

isn't like siege warfare trying to get into

44:49

the

44:49

city, but this was economic blockading.

44:53

Yes. Very different. Different,

44:56

but also devastating. This was an

44:58

awful time to be in the capital. Houses

45:00

had to be torn down for fireworks. Food

45:03

was very scarce and unreliable because

45:05

the city had to rely on donations from the

45:07

west. The Ottomans were

45:09

able to completely blockade the city by

45:11

land. But as we've seen many times, it's very

45:13

hard to blockade Constance and Noble by

45:15

sea. Two years go by

45:18

like this. Wow. As the

45:20

city slowly starts to death.

45:22

The only thing going for them

45:24

is the aid. And where is the edge coming from?

45:26

Well, With the great city of

45:29

Constantinople looking like it was about to

45:31

fall, the kingdoms of the west were

45:33

finally starting to think about how pink

45:35

169 how best to help they thought. How

45:38

about one of those crusades? Bring

45:41

god into the

45:42

area. They they always go so

45:44

well.

45:44

Yeah.

45:45

What could it say do we on

45:46

now? It's so fast. It's like, oh, we stopped

45:48

numbering them, but it just got depressing. I

45:51

Rankium of numbers. Yeah. We're

45:53

just we're just in the kind of the later also

45:56

ran crusade section on Wikipedia. So

45:58

that's a it's had good thing. Probably

46:01

Totalus let's

46:03

do one of those anyway, shall we? He said.

46:06

Yeah. The main organizer was the

46:08

king of Hungary who knew that he'd be

46:10

next in line to be attacked.

46:13

By the Ottomans. So

46:16

the king of Hungary wrote to both

46:18

popes, only phase nine and

46:20

Benedict thirteen, That

46:22

that's why there were two popes at this point. I'm not

46:24

gonna go into why. Pontofax can do that.

46:27

Me. Yeah. Anyway, France

46:29

and the holy Roman Empire

46:31

provided troops, the Venetians

46:34

provided ships, the Genoese, and

46:36

various Greek island states stated

46:38

they would protect the Black Sea and the hellespont

46:41

kingdoms. In Italy, Spain,

46:43

England, Poland also provided troops.

46:46

This

46:46

was. Wow. This was a big

46:48

scale. This was I guess even

46:51

there at this point, looking at the ottomans going, actually.

46:53

Yeah. Yeah. This is their way to the

46:55

beginning. It's been a long time coming.

46:58

Eventually, around one hundred thousand

47:01

men were gathered. Now --

47:03

Wow. -- maybe numbers are always

47:05

obviously disputed. This one is

47:07

hugely contested, but it's

47:09

a big, big crusade, crusade

47:13

in

47:13

force. Larger than we have seen in

47:15

a very, very, very long time. This

47:17

this is so annoyed though, right, if you were an

47:20

English soldier. then

47:22

you're joining up with the Venetian soldiers

47:24

like, I've been walking for months,

47:26

which is like, I'm spying. It's fine. That's

47:28

fine. We've got our ships.

47:30

Yes. Yeah.

47:31

I don't know. The weather's nicer. That's

47:33

true. Yeah. We've been walking for months, eating like

47:36

stale bread. Yeah. But go for France, stale

47:38

breads, and wine and good cheese.

47:40

That's actually a really good point. Yeah. Exactly.

47:42

So that's fine. Anyway, crusade.

47:44

Last stand. A huge gathering,

47:47

not seen in a very long time rivals coming

47:49

together. You got the Venetians and the gen o e is

47:51

working together and everything. Yeah. This

47:53

was everything that Manuel could have hoped for.

47:55

Word got into the city help us on

47:57

the way the Ottomans will finally be destroyed. So

48:00

the combined forces of the west traveled

48:02

down the Danube. The Bulgarians quickly

48:05

revolted and joined them because remember

48:07

the Bulgaria had been taken over

48:09

recently, so that's even more

48:10

forces. And it was at the fortified

48:13

city of Totalus. That Behzid

48:15

met up with

48:16

them, and the battle of Nicholas

48:19

took place. It feels it

48:21

feels like there that that matrix fight

48:23

in the last film, but it's all raining, and it's

48:25

all full of agent

48:27

Smiths. I don't know why in picture in that.

48:29

Let's say yes. That's exactly what it was

48:31

like. As is often

48:33

case with the Crusades, the Crusading forces

48:35

were inherently weak because there was

48:37

not a clear chain of command. The French

48:40

forces disagreed with the Hungarian ones.

48:42

The king of Hungary wanted to be cautious. The

48:45

French wanted glory and

48:47

decisiveness. So the French

48:49

attacked early and the Ottomans suddenly

48:52

crushed them. And then the rest of the

48:54

Crusaders saw just how badly the

48:56

French had just been destroyed demoralized

48:58

they attempt to attack, but the tide

49:01

of the battle is on bears its side by this

49:03

point, and the Ottomans win a decisive

49:05

victory. Oh. Says

49:10

Manuel, in Constantinople. Yeah.

49:12

The first he hears of this was when the

49:14

king of hungry turns up, begging.

49:18

Yeah. Pretty much turns up. Yeah.

49:21

Ave's shows how little the Ottomans

49:23

were able to blockade the sea because the king

49:25

of whom we was able to just pop to the capital,

49:27

deliver the bad news, to Manuel. Sorry,

49:30

try my best. We're

49:32

destroyed. So Hold

49:34

dear. And then the king of Hungary

49:36

gets back on his ship. The Ottomans By

49:39

this point, had lined up all the prisoners

49:41

that they'd captured in the Totalus,

49:43

so the king of whom we could see them as

49:45

he sat past. Yeah.

49:48

Wave. Wave's your king.

49:52

Yep. So it's not coming,

49:54

and that is how the last

49:56

grand crusade went. There's really isn't

49:58

any crusades after this, which just

50:01

just doesn't happen anymore. So

50:04

there you go. Blended. Mhmm. I

50:07

mean, it wasn't a complete waste of time

50:09

in terms of for the empire. It

50:11

did help manmiles slightly with Bayezed off

50:14

fighting elsewhere. The blockade had mostly

50:16

been lifted, so there was

50:18

a period where they

50:20

managed to get more supplies into the capital,

50:23

which is just as well. Because once

50:25

Besit had won, The blockade was back

50:27

on in earnest. In fact, so much so

50:30

it stopped being a blockade it became

50:32

a foregone siege. Yeah. Yeah.

50:35

Bezos really wants the city

50:37

now. He's annoyed. He's gonna take it

50:40

by force or he's gonna use

50:42

John seven, which we touched

50:44

upon in his episode. Now remember

50:46

John's nearby. He's not in the capital.

50:49

He's in a town nearby, and Beyze

50:51

had says John, you say your

50:53

emperor 169 if you're put on the throne,

50:55

I'll go away pinky promise. So

50:58

John loudly starts saying how he should be

51:00

emperor. And if I'm emperor,

51:02

Besid would lead the city. The

51:04

siege would be lifted, and this was

51:06

very tempting to many in the capital people

51:08

are starved to death. This has been going on for years

51:10

now. Life is

51:13

tough. And what all we

51:15

need is a different guy in charge

51:17

or who cares which Peony Lagos is

51:19

pretend emperor to the man

51:21

who's actually in charge. Yeah.

51:23

Fine swap then we could eat. So

51:26

Manuel found himself yet again in a

51:28

besieged city turning against him.

51:30

Well, it's hard to be positive when you're besieged. Yeah.

51:33

Exactly. But he was

51:35

able to hold out three years into

51:37

the siege. Nothing had changed. Manuel

51:40

started to write to the kings of the west once

51:42

more asking for help. know last time it didn't

51:44

go too well, but seriously, I need help.

51:46

The Venetians kept tanning man well. Yes,

51:48

of course, we'll send out soon. Soon

51:51

as someone else joins us. We don't do it

51:53

on our own. But anyway, it's definitely coming soon.

51:56

The pope was keen to let him know that

51:59

His thoughts and prayers were with

52:00

him, so that was a good

52:01

piece. Thank goodness. King Richard

52:03

II of England, you seem like

52:05

a nice chap because he promised three

52:07

thousand pounds. Yeah.

52:11

Not bad. A lot of money about that. Excellent

52:13

thought, man, well. There's a King

52:15

King Richard the second of what's his place,

52:17

England. Okay. That's

52:20

nice of him. I look forward to that arriving.

52:24

What's this what's this letter?

52:26

Oh oh, King Charles is six of France.

52:28

Oh, even better. He's gonna send some men,

52:30

not just some cash. So there

52:33

we go. He's got some some

52:35

possible things coming through.

52:37

Yeah. Actually, only one

52:39

of them get through. To

52:41

be fair, maybe the thoughts and prayers from the pope

52:43

got through as well, but they didn't do anything.

52:46

It was the last one that came to pass

52:48

because five years into the siege,

52:51

a small force of one thousand two hundred

52:53

French knights, broke through

52:55

the Ottomans 169 entered the city, and

52:57

they were led by a man called

52:59

marshal Bussicot. Bussicot. Very,

53:03

very cool French man. He

53:05

broke through the siege and entered the city. I

53:08

was rubbish. I mean, he wasn't

53:10

much, but it was something Busakur

53:13

met with Manuel in one of the coolest meetings

53:15

ever. And now we are siege with

53:17

you as well. A very cool meeting. Well,

53:19

they talk to each other and call accents for a

53:21

while. Anyway, Boussek was

53:23

a a professional military man, unlike

53:25

Manuel. And he went and had a lock

53:28

around with his military

53:30

I. Just keyboard. Yeah.

53:32

I want it on that. Oh. Just just to get a

53:34

sense of how things are going. He realized

53:37

two things fairly quickly. Number

53:39

one, the city was Number

53:45

two, they needed support. These

53:47

were his military opinions. Excellent.

53:50

That's good. Which are actually kind of tied with what

53:52

Manuel had been thinking for quite some

53:53

time.

53:54

That's good. Reassuring. Yeah.

53:56

So the saying is my previous

53:58

assessment was right.

54:01

We miss you. It's mouth.

54:06

Yeah. So Brusica told

54:08

Manuel that what you need to

54:11

do is you need to personally go

54:13

west and ask for help. Like

54:15

your father did. Sending the letters isn't

54:17

working. You got a striking bearing.

54:19

You come across like a decent guy,

54:22

Manuel. And it's hard to put a finger on it.

54:24

You just call. So if you go

54:26

personally, I think you'll be able to get

54:28

more success than these letters. I

54:30

agree. Manuel, agreed with

54:32

this, but that's a problem. Yeah.

54:35

I agree. I am cool. But

54:37

he needs someone to leave the city when he's gone

54:39

there isn't anyone. If he left,

54:42

the supporters of John seven would

54:44

be able to put John on the throne and John would

54:46

give the over to the Ottomans immediately.

54:48

Okay. That is a problem. Bussica,

54:51

however, had an idea. How

54:53

about radical I know he

54:55

said? Why don't you put

54:57

John seven in charge when you're gone?

54:59

Manuel, probably said something

55:02

along the lines of, but that's what we're

55:04

trying to avoid, isn't it?

55:07

Well, Bhushka points out

55:09

that if you unite with your

55:11

a few first, unify the

55:13

factions in the city then

55:15

he won't give it up to the Ottomans because

55:18

you'll be one unified faction. Now

55:20

details are slim, but somehow the French Knight

55:22

managed to get Neffier and uncle to patch up

55:24

their differences. Now, the

55:26

two men don't trust each other. As

55:29

covered last time, they end

55:31

up adopting each other's children just

55:33

in a vague attempt to force some kind

55:35

of bond between them. They don't

55:37

like each other, they don't trust each other, but

55:40

Manuel's got little choice. It's still wartime

55:42

time. I'll adopt your child, but I'm looking

55:44

at him. Yeah. Well,

55:46

John's embedded into the city. They

55:49

make up, they have a ceremony. John

55:52

is put in charge and Manuel.

55:54

In December of thirteen ninety nine,

55:57

leaves the capital. Telling

55:59

his nephew, you are not allowed to

56:01

sell out the empire to the Ottomans,

56:03

the moment I turn around the

56:04

corner, is that clear don't

56:07

be your father. What you're

56:07

not allowed to do? Are you

56:09

still on the island? Yes. Tell him an empire when you're gone.

56:12

Now, last episode, we stayed with John

56:14

Sevel and covered how to spike not liking his

56:16

uncle, he did not give him to bears

56:18

it, but to many people surprise,

56:21

and he kept the seats going. This time,

56:23

however, we follow Manuel on his

56:25

tour. To begin with, he took his wife and

56:27

his two young sons, to Moria,

56:29

to his brother Theodore. The

56:32

two sons at this time, by the way, is

56:35

John John eight 169 a

56:37

boy called Theodore. You don't need to worry

56:39

too much about him. His his wife and his children

56:41

go and stay with his brother in Moria. Manwau

56:43

did not trust his family staying behind in

56:45

Constantinople, being besieged

56:48

with a nephew he didn't trust. So

56:50

once his family was safe, he then carries

56:52

on to Venice. Now the idea

56:54

was to go to Paris and to talk with

56:56

the French king because it

56:59

was Charles the sixth of France who

57:01

had actually offered some support.

57:03

But the corps immediately headed

57:05

to Paris to prep the arrival of

57:08

the Roman Emperor. Where his Manuel

57:11

headed there slowly. He's gonna take his

57:13

time. He's gonna work through some Italian

57:15

cities, including Milan to

57:17

try and gather some support there.

57:19

Now if Manuel was expecting his arrival to

57:21

be like that of his

57:22

fathers, he was pleasantly surprised.

57:25

When his father went west, he was treated

57:28

with pretty much contempt and then imprisons

57:30

until he handed over cash. However,

57:33

things things have changed somewhat in

57:36

the west. Although they would not have known

57:38

it at the time, the Renaissance

57:40

had started. Yeah.

57:42

Sort of.

57:44

So something

57:45

is like a a day and night kind of things like

57:47

nighttime medieval dark ages. I

57:49

think someone found a button and a seller somewhere.

57:52

Just to switch, medieval renaissance.

57:56

I wonder what this does. This

58:01

is beautiful. What's that looking though?

58:03

DaVinci just flies past him with a helicopter.

58:08

Good times. I mean, obviously, we're we're

58:10

very early on. We this is

58:12

certainly not the heights of

58:13

169, but

58:15

The early renaissance you There's things you

58:17

could score like that. Yeah. Things are starting,

58:19

should we say, Greek culture, suddenly very

58:21

enfashioned in the cities of Italy.

58:24

was treated as a wise and cultured emperor

58:27

greatly defending the Greek Roman

58:29

empire. He would have been guesstered

58:31

unaware if he won't.

58:32

No. No. No. No.

58:33

No. There's just the Roman empire.

58:35

Yes.

58:36

169. The Greek Roman Empire is ordered to spy by

58:38

the Greeks. They're lazy there today. But

58:41

we have Roman. Creek Roman?

58:43

Yes. Yes. Who would have

58:45

been cast of honor where he went? It helped

58:47

apparently that he had, as I've already

58:50

mentioned, but maybe you thought I was just joking

58:52

because what we've been saying, he

58:54

has quite an imposing

58:55

figure. He was large

58:58

chested. He has Yes. Apparently

59:00

had an impressive white beard. I can only

59:03

assume that that is a translation error

59:05

to from an impressive Moustache.

59:08

Small run Moustache. Yeah. Exactly. It's

59:10

easy done in the ancient Greek. But

59:13

yeah. It he was

59:15

Also said to be impressive in

59:17

his communication,

59:19

I'm taking that to me and he sounded cool.

59:22

Yeah.

59:23

Yeah. As as much as we have been

59:25

joking, apparently, he did have

59:28

quite a bit of charisma. So he

59:30

was liked where he went. And

59:32

wherever he went, he made two things clear.

59:34

One, Constantinople needs

59:36

help two, no,

59:39

I'm not about to become a Catholic in order

59:41

to get it. I'm Orthodox. I'm

59:44

fighting for the Orthodox Christian

59:46

capital of the world to save

59:48

my way of life. And you guys

59:50

as fellow Christians are gonna help me.

59:53

This approach very different to his fathers,

59:55

which was, yeah, of course, I become a Catholic. As

59:57

she seemed to gain in some respect, which

1:00:00

again kind of shows that a lot of

1:00:02

his charisma is doing the work for him. Rather

1:00:04

him coming across his belligerent, he

1:00:06

just comes across as a strong minded

1:00:10

Anyway, he slowly goes to Paris. It takes

1:00:12

him six months to get there, but

1:00:14

he does. He gets to Paris, Jamie.

1:00:17

he was greeted by cheering crowds of

1:00:19

over two thousand people when he gets there.

1:00:23

Yeah. He's making quite a splash on his tour.

1:00:25

Is this the first time we've mentioned Paris? No.

1:00:29

But it's been a very long time. If

1:00:31

I remember correctly 169 I certainly haven't locked this

1:00:33

up, The last time we would have mentioned

1:00:35

Paris as a city was right at

1:00:37

the start of Paris being a city

1:00:40

back in Julian's episode.

1:00:45

If I remember correctly, Julian was posted

1:00:47

in Paris for a while --

1:00:49

Okay. -- before he was emperor. Think

1:00:52

back when you were finding him particularly annoying.

1:00:54

Oh, yeah, Judy. Oh, bloody Julian. Yeah.

1:00:56

Yeah. Bloody Julian. Yeah. That's a

1:00:58

bit Julian. But

1:01:01

we might have mentioned Paris since that that is

1:01:03

just off the top of my

1:01:04

head. But this is

1:01:05

back in the day as well where the Eiffel Tower's made it

1:01:07

wood. Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say this

1:01:09

is a this is a very different power store

1:01:11

when we last saw it. The the

1:01:13

Eiffel Tower's word, the the Louv

1:01:15

is there. That is actually

1:01:18

there. So there are recognizable

1:01:20

things in Paris when he goes there.

1:01:23

That you can point at TTRion. So

1:01:25

pretty evolution. It

1:01:27

was there, but it was also wood as well. Yeah. Lots

1:01:29

of lots of wooden structures. Just

1:01:31

place holders for now. We put something there

1:01:34

at some point. We've not decided, but

1:01:36

anyway, so he meets

1:01:38

Charles VI of

1:01:40

France 169 he is treated

1:01:42

as a guest of honor in Paris just as he

1:01:44

was in Italy. He was set up

1:01:46

in the French capital he used

1:01:48

this as a launching pad to contact all

1:01:50

the other kings of the west. Starts

1:01:53

writing off to everyone. He wrote

1:01:55

to the kings of Castile 169 Aragon, he

1:01:57

also contacted the king of England. Richard

1:02:00

the second promised me three thousand

1:02:02

pounds. I know he's no

1:02:04

longer king, but maybe you

1:02:06

guys could still pay up that three thousand

1:02:08

pounds. I was wondering if he

1:02:10

was so helpful. Yeah. To whom

1:02:12

it made concern, whoever's king at the moment

1:02:15

heard Richard the second is no longer there.

1:02:18

Anyway, all this took a while in the meantime,

1:02:20

Manuel got used to life in the French royal

1:02:22

courts 169 all its finery.

1:02:25

Now Paris obviously was less

1:02:27

impressive than Constantinople in

1:02:30

terms of architecture, massive

1:02:32

cathedrals, etcetera, etcetera. But

1:02:34

it was more impressive in some ways because

1:02:36

Constantinople was a city in decline

1:02:39

and Paris was one on the rise. So

1:02:42

Manuel has more impressively thought he was

1:02:44

gonna be. He thought he was on the fringes

1:02:46

of civilization. And he

1:02:48

was pleasantly surprised. However,

1:02:51

not bad. So it's something dampened

1:02:53

the spirit slightly or just dampened the

1:02:56

betrayal because Charles's

1:02:58

six have gone mad. Oh. Yeah.

1:03:00

That halted things somewhat. This wasn't

1:03:03

a new thing for Charles. He was Charles

1:03:05

six, but he was also known as Charles the

1:03:07

mad. For the last eight years, he'd been

1:03:09

suffering from something that affected his mental

1:03:11

capabilities. Back in thirteen

1:03:13

ninety three, he forgot his own name. And didn't

1:03:15

know he was king for a while. In ninety five,

1:03:18

he declared he was safe George himself

1:03:20

169 he didn't recognize his wife and children.

1:03:22

Very much like our own Justin too. If you

1:03:24

remember, his ex literally braked

1:03:26

up areas of the palace to keep him from

1:03:28

wandering. And at times,

1:03:31

Charles thought he was a lion.

1:03:33

He was an animal as well. He was an animal

1:03:35

as well. It's very similar to the stories we got at Justin

1:03:37

too. So I he did have large periods

1:03:40

of being very lucid and had been

1:03:42

doing alright for a while, but just

1:03:45

after a man while visited, he he lapsed

1:03:47

again. So someone

1:03:49

took Manuel to one side and suggested, maybe

1:03:52

why don't you go and see some of these kings you've been

1:03:54

writing to her because you're not gonna get

1:03:56

anything sensible out of child for a while. So

1:03:58

Manuel has a look at the insert cadence that

1:04:00

he's been writing to. Who's struggling under

1:04:02

the term? That three thousand

1:04:05

pounds is still really bogging me. I'd really

1:04:07

like that three thousand pounds. Maybe maybe

1:04:09

I'll pop over it to England and

1:04:11

visit the king there. By this time

1:04:13

he'd found out who the king was, it's king Henry

1:04:15

IV. King

1:04:18

Henry the fourth, that's who it is.

1:04:21

So Manuel, in December of fourteen

1:04:23

hundred, crosses the channel 169

1:04:25

lands in Dover.

1:04:27

We're

1:04:28

in England JV.

1:04:29

Is this so cool? Yeah. What

1:04:31

happened? Two days later, he

1:04:34

was in Canterbury. Can't

1:04:36

debris. Was it can't debris? I was in can't

1:04:38

debris two days ago, Jamie. Yeah.

1:04:40

Yeah. it two

1:04:41

days? No. It's long ago. Anyway, a few days ago,

1:04:43

I was encamped with Did

1:04:44

did you see him there soon? No. But

1:04:46

I did look around to see if I could see any evidence

1:04:49

that he was there. Any guitars

1:04:51

lying around? Didn't say any guitars.

1:04:54

cathedral, however, that

1:04:56

is in Canterbury. Canterbury cathedral is

1:04:58

the own cathedral that was there when Manuel

1:05:00

went there, so he would have fancied. Yeah.

1:05:03

He he definitely went and saw the cathedral

1:05:05

while he was there. So Or he went in it? Yeah.

1:05:07

Yeah. No. He did. He stayed

1:05:09

with -- Yeah. -- he stayed as

1:05:11

far as we can tell, he stayed just off-site

1:05:14

of the crude oil. Saman era.

1:05:16

And there's no way he wouldn't have gone in the

1:05:18

cathedral. It's

1:05:20

the only thing to do in Canopy. So

1:05:24

yeah. So he he did that. He stayed there

1:05:26

for a few days, and then it was off to London

1:05:29

to meet with Henry 169.

1:05:32

Manuel was very impressed with what he

1:05:34

saw. He was treated well.

1:05:36

Fees were put on. Entertainment, a

1:05:38

toy was held. We're very medieval

1:05:41

here. This is medieval England. We

1:05:44

actually have a letter that he wrote in London,

1:05:46

a man well wrote glumingly

1:05:49

of King Henry, using words to describe

1:05:51

him that he'd only ever used to describe his

1:05:53

brother Theodore. He thought Henry was a

1:05:55

really good bag. That

1:05:57

was the word. He threw a

1:06:00

translator, asked Henry about three thousand

1:06:02

pounds. Henry said that he

1:06:04

would inquire what his predecessor had done.

1:06:06

And I I get back to you. Don't worry. According

1:06:09

to Henry, Richard had indeed paid for three thousand

1:06:12

pounds. But the money was last accounted

1:06:14

for in Genoa. But fear not,

1:06:16

said Henry, we're gonna track out money down.

1:06:18

We're gonna get it for you. They did a

1:06:20

wink. The man wow said,

1:06:24

the English, I like. They

1:06:26

said, this sounds we're trying to bring company together.

1:06:29

It's just little

1:06:30

bit. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Sorry.

1:06:32

It's now been transferred to that. But I do get the impression

1:06:35

that Henry maybe was just saying,

1:06:37

oh, yes. No. We definitely paid, but it got

1:06:39

lost. But don't worry. Yeah.

1:06:41

Find it. We'll find it. Okay. Yeah.

1:06:43

And also, we'll provide you with men to defend

1:06:45

Continental a pull of course. Manboy was

1:06:48

very happy and like I say, we've got the letter.

1:06:50

Our quotes are can can can can

1:06:52

can we mess up the Jeff stories a bit? Gondola.

1:06:55

English Jeff. Oh, there's there's been an

1:06:57

English Jeff for for quite some time.

1:06:59

Lost lost line of Jeff's. Yeah.

1:07:02

We just had They're they're Jess, but they've

1:07:04

slowly anglified, and they

1:07:07

are

1:07:07

spout, GE0FF.

1:07:10

And they are just become fairly competent

1:07:12

butlers.

1:07:13

Oh, yeah. That's a great idea. As

1:07:15

in they can stand up straight and not

1:07:16

drop mugs too. Yeah. But fairly confident

1:07:19

in Jeff's universe terms. Yeah.

1:07:21

Yeah. They

1:07:22

they can hold the doors open if they lean against

1:07:24

them slightly. Yeah. Yeah. But I

1:07:25

yeah. Hold the doors open the same way

1:07:27

that the door stop can. Yeah.

1:07:29

Do worries, Jeff. Well done. Anyway, Manuel

1:07:32

was very pleased in London.

1:07:34

He wrote to a friend. A large

1:07:36

number of letters have come to us from all

1:07:38

over very excellent and wonderful promises

1:07:41

most important is the ruler

1:07:43

with whom we are now staying. The

1:07:46

king of Britain, the greats. The

1:07:48

king of a second civilized world, you

1:07:50

might say who abounds and so such

1:07:52

good qualities 169 is adorned

1:07:55

with all sorts of virtues. Although

1:07:58

he has gone to extremes. In

1:08:00

all he has done for us, he seems

1:08:02

almost to blush in the

1:08:03

belief. And this is alone that

1:08:05

he may of follow considerably a shot

1:08:08

of

1:08:08

what he should do for us. This

1:08:11

is how magnanimous the man

1:08:13

is. Say,

1:08:16

yeah. Man, well,

1:08:18

we need to get somewhere with Henry. Two of them.

1:08:21

Don't speak the same language. I have to speak

1:08:23

for translator. Stands a bit

1:08:25

of awkward

1:08:25

laughing, which she was like, But

1:08:36

translators actually translating the laughter.

1:08:42

Yes. Your wife, she is very beautiful.

1:08:45

Yeah. Things like that. Alright. Thank you.

1:08:47

Yeah. So a great foreman

1:08:50

well gave Henry a gift,

1:08:53

a piece of the seamless tunic

1:08:55

of Christ. There you go. Have

1:08:57

a relic.

1:08:59

People love Dorelix back then. There's a bit of tunic

1:09:01

of Christ. Be careful with it.

1:09:03

One of the kind. 0II see a man

1:09:05

well. It's it's your your church

1:09:08

is you're missing a a square shape

1:09:10

of this this fabric that

1:09:12

says made in

1:09:13

concert, no pull. Well,

1:09:15

Harry was very pleased with the seamless tunic

1:09:17

of Christ.

1:09:18

It's the thought that counts. Yes. Yes.

1:09:20

It's the thought. Well, he immediately cut it into two

1:09:22

and gave half of it to the archbishop of Canterbury.

1:09:25

Okay. Who immediately cut his piece into

1:09:27

and started giving bits

1:09:28

out. So yeah.

1:09:31

There you go. Pound a piece. Everyone

1:09:34

ended up with a thread of the tunic of Christ.

1:09:36

It was great. Anyway, you

1:09:39

know how you you could keep going like cutting

1:09:41

it hard to get like the atoms. Well, yeah,

1:09:43

you keep going

1:09:43

forever. Mhmm. It's it's

1:09:45

just endless. So anyway,

1:09:48

where were we? Manuel is in London. That's what he's

1:09:50

doing. He spends time seeing the sights

1:09:53

London Bridge. That's there then.

1:09:55

Oh, of London. That's there then.

1:09:57

Westminster Hall. That's there

1:09:59

then. It's got a brand new

1:10:01

Westminster Hall. Westminster Hall.

1:10:03

Yeah. Yeah. Westminster Hall, obviously,

1:10:06

the the rest of the houses of

1:10:08

parliament built way, way afterwards.

1:10:10

But Westminster Hall itself survived.

1:10:13

It's about a thousand years old. Now it's survived

1:10:15

for a very long time. The

1:10:17

roof has just been redone, and it's now

1:10:19

the largest hole in Europe. At

1:10:22

this time. So it would have been very impressive

1:10:24

when he went to go and see it. Yeah. Yeah. He stayed

1:10:26

two

1:10:26

months. So did all that. He did the chat, the

1:10:28

web of the tour. Bannity

1:10:31

swords.

1:10:33

That's great. Of the end, Portugal, London,

1:10:36

London. So I guess London, London's people

1:10:38

kept chomping out of him. Arms

1:10:40

falling off, blood spurting everywhere. Not

1:10:43

makeup. This was just my people. Yeah.

1:10:46

It's great.

1:10:48

Anyway, did you did you do, like, an open

1:10:50

rooftop tour? Yes. Definitely.

1:10:52

On a horse, like, open horse tour.

1:10:54

Oh, that's brilliant. I had a great time. Yeah. Well,

1:10:56

there's I love London t shirts as well. Yeah.

1:10:59

It's a it was a bit tacky thought,

1:11:01

but you know what? He's over going to be in London

1:11:03

once. So Yeah. Why not? Something on

1:11:05

the display cabinet. He he found the worst fridge

1:11:07

magnet he could find and sent it back to John

1:11:09

seven. So many of you. So

1:11:12

anyway, he stays for two months, like I say, and then

1:11:14

it's back to Paris. It really

1:11:16

doesn't feel like we're doing a Roman Emperor episode.

1:11:18

Does it? No. This is the tour. Yeah.

1:11:21

Back to Paris. With what he got

1:11:23

in his pocket. That's right, Jeremy.

1:11:26

Three thousand pounds. Yay.

1:11:28

But they somehow found it in Jamaica

1:11:31

and brought it back Yeah. Someone else It's

1:11:33

fine. We found it sorted. So it's a administrative

1:11:36

error. He goes, and everyone in London

1:11:38

goes out. God for that. That

1:11:40

was expensive, wasn't it? And

1:11:42

we said we were gonna send lots of men. It

1:11:44

doesn't matter. Thomas'

1:11:47

abate were given. Back in Paris, Manuel

1:11:49

is writing to all the other kings of the west.

1:11:51

He's tasked Phil more optimistic. But

1:11:54

as the monks wear on, becomes clearer

1:11:56

and clearer to man well that wherever he

1:11:58

went, he was treated well promises were

1:12:00

given, but that's all they were, promises,

1:12:03

words. Months turned into

1:12:05

a year in Paris, the nominally two

1:12:07

by this point, and he was no closer

1:12:09

to turning with an avenging army. every

1:12:11

day that passed was more danger from the Ottomans

1:12:14

and from John who he didn't trust.

1:12:16

So at this point, he writes to John

1:12:18

admitting that the English, who were his best

1:12:20

hope, was still in no position to help.

1:12:23

He spent his time writing in Paris,

1:12:25

a lot of which still survives. Theology,

1:12:28

it was his main concern. He did lots

1:12:30

of stuff around theology, you get the impression

1:12:32

that if he wasn't the emperor, he

1:12:34

probably would have been quite happy to retire in

1:12:36

Paris and get on with his

1:12:38

writing. He seems to be having a nice

1:12:40

time. I mean, he still could.

1:12:42

He 169 nothing stopping him. Well,

1:12:44

he I mean, he feels like he's got job

1:12:46

to do, though. He feels like he's he's

1:12:49

got a job to do when he's failing. However,

1:12:51

there is some encouragement rumors from

1:12:53

the east start to filter into

1:12:55

the west. It started when he was back in

1:12:57

London and then become more

1:12:59

when he goes back to Paris. Apparently,

1:13:02

the king of the Turks has been

1:13:04

killed. This can only mean 169 thing,

1:13:06

the king of the Turks, that's that's got to be

1:13:09

the Ottoman Sultan, but it's dead.

1:13:11

Okay. I I mean, this is great

1:13:14

if true, but Manuel was very cautious.

1:13:16

News is obviously very unreliable at

1:13:18

such a distance. So what's

1:13:21

really going on in the east? Is bears

1:13:23

a dead do you think? No. Awesome.

1:13:25

Well, it's complex and I'm going

1:13:28

to simplify it. I mean he's yes

1:13:30

or a no. That's quite simple. Okay.

1:13:32

No. He's not. But

1:13:35

let me let me just catch

1:13:37

with what has been going on in the east. Shall I?

1:13:40

I'm gonna simplify this. I'm gonna

1:13:42

brush over a lot because it's not

1:13:44

really important to the story of the Roman Empire,

1:13:47

but you do kinda need to know some of it.

1:13:49

So the Ottoman Sultan base it

1:13:51

has been the siege in

1:13:52

Constantinople. Yes? Yes.

1:13:55

Good. But that's not all. He's also

1:13:57

consolidating all his empire in Anatolia,

1:14:00

going from strength a strength getting stronger

1:14:02

and stronger. He's also got

1:14:04

lots of land in Europe by this point.

1:14:06

And because of this, especially

1:14:08

the getting stronger in Anatolia, Beysett

1:14:11

had caught the attention of a man who we have not

1:14:13

mentioned in this podcast 169 yet has been

1:14:15

around for a while, and this is Timur, also

1:14:18

known as Tambulin. Now, Tamar

1:14:20

was sixty four and is a legend in his

1:14:22

time has still wanted this day, he

1:14:25

claimed to be a descendant of king

1:14:27

of scam. And for the last forty years,

1:14:29

he'd been doing a very good job

1:14:32

at trying to rebuild the Mongol empire

1:14:34

over Humberger's previously. So who is

1:14:36

this tomorrow? Born into

1:14:38

relatively humble origins as part of the

1:14:41

Turkish mongrel tribe. He

1:14:43

became a military leader where roughly

1:14:45

Afghanistan's standards today. That's where

1:14:47

he was. He went from strength to strength,

1:14:49

from rose through the ranks he did until

1:14:51

he was rolling over what became known as

1:14:54

the Temerad Empire. Which covered

1:14:57

modern Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan,

1:14:59

Pakistan, Central Asia the

1:15:01

Caucasus. This is a

1:15:04

huge pendant. Yeah.

1:15:06

In other words, this is the major

1:15:08

power in the

1:15:09

east, just as the parthians and the Persians

1:15:11

and the

1:15:12

caliphate used to be. Well, he's probably got

1:15:14

the biggest empire in the world over time. It's

1:15:16

it's

1:15:16

it's rivling one of the most powerful

1:15:18

folks, consolidated empires. Definitely,

1:15:20

yes. Yeah.

1:15:22

Yeah. You you've you've gotta go, like,

1:15:24

off to China. It's it's definitely bigger

1:15:26

than any of the empires in Europe. At

1:15:28

this time because Europe has turned

1:15:30

into small little born kingdoms. Now,

1:15:33

the Ottomans obviously have

1:15:35

taken on the role in our narratives of

1:15:38

being the danger in the east. But that's only

1:15:40

really because the Roman Empire shrunk so

1:15:42

much. But beyond the Ottomans,

1:15:45

is this powerful empire? So

1:15:47

anyway, Tamara first came up against

1:15:49

the Ottomans ten years previously, a

1:15:52

small emirate on the right side of Anatolia,

1:15:54

afraid of Bayezid's rapid rise

1:15:57

in the area had gone to welfare protection.

1:16:00

Shortly after this, Besid had demanded

1:16:03

that this emirates become a vasset

1:16:05

state just as bezid had been

1:16:07

doing with the Romans. However, Timur

1:16:09

heard of this and was insulted, how

1:16:12

dare you demand? One of my vassals

1:16:14

to be one of your vassals. So

1:16:16

Tamar took a force into Ottoman

1:16:18

territory and raised

1:16:20

a city to the grounds slaughtering

1:16:23

everyone who lived there just

1:16:25

like that overnight. It's absolutely

1:16:28

flat of the city. It's quite a statement.

1:16:30

Oh, yes. And with that body in place, he

1:16:32

just turned around the left. That's

1:16:36

confidence. Yeah. It really is

1:16:38

just left left a note on it like a burning bit

1:16:40

of

1:16:40

timber. Let

1:16:43

me place three stars. Would

1:16:47

raise again. The

1:16:50

the warning is definitely put in place. So

1:16:52

essentially, Beza, you might think you're

1:16:54

mister Big. Boston around all those

1:16:56

people in the Balkans, but don't think about

1:16:58

expanding in this direction. Keep your

1:17:01

eyes pointed that way, and we won't have

1:17:03

any problems. Yeah.

1:17:05

So this is the tale that had reached

1:17:08

London and Paris. One

1:17:10

of Fraser's sons was involved in

1:17:12

the raising of that city, so it's probably

1:17:14

his son being caught up, which

1:17:17

snowballed into the tail of the Turkish

1:17:19

king being killed. So

1:17:21

Beyzeid is alive, but,

1:17:24

oh, there's there's problems for him.

1:17:26

So the news comes through to man well.

1:17:29

Yeah, Beyzeid's not dead. Manboy

1:17:31

was disappointed, but it's

1:17:34

it's not all bad news. But it's

1:17:36

got far bigger problems than the Roman Empire.

1:17:38

Maybe just maybe fingers crossed. He'd

1:17:41

leave them alone soon. And, sure

1:17:43

enough, this is what happens, Bayazid,

1:17:45

was outraged that Timur

1:17:47

had flattened one of his cities. That

1:17:50

you can imagine. He saw

1:17:52

Timur as a barbarian. He was a

1:17:54

lowly upstart. He wasn't from Stark.

1:17:57

Who was this awful human being

1:17:59

who thinks he's powerful. He he got

1:18:01

lucky. That's all, but allows

1:18:03

on his side not to us.

1:18:05

I I have I have God behind me,

1:18:08

so I will be victorious. So,

1:18:11

where is it? Let that be known. I

1:18:13

don't care, but you flattened on my city. You

1:18:16

need to stay out of the Turkish empire. Don't

1:18:18

come in here again. Tamir

1:18:20

here's of this immediately gathers

1:18:23

all his forces. Right? We're going back again.

1:18:25

And in July of fourteen o two,

1:18:27

the Mongol and the Turkish forces

1:18:29

meet near Ankawa. This

1:18:31

is a huge battle and

1:18:33

very decisive. By the end of

1:18:35

the battle, base it and four of his

1:18:38

sons have had to flee the battlefield.

1:18:40

That forces crushed.

1:18:42

Oh, dear. The sun's escape, but

1:18:45

the sultan base it himself was captured

1:18:47

and taken to Tamir. And he said

1:18:49

that Tamar kept him alive for

1:18:52

at least a year. Oh. Yeah.

1:18:57

Parading him around Anatolia as

1:18:59

he tore everything up, just

1:19:02

ripping apart everything that Bezerd

1:19:04

had spent his life creating. The

1:19:07

Ottoman Empire absolutely shattered.

1:19:09

In Anatolia, it becomes just

1:19:13

a smoldering wreck. The

1:19:15

lands that they had in Europe is

1:19:18

now just leaderless, Totalus.

1:19:21

It's overnight. That's it. The Ottomans

1:19:23

have gone. Tumor soon

1:19:25

becomes bored of just absolutely

1:19:27

gutting the empire, so he heads off to

1:19:29

invade China. Alright. Why

1:19:32

not? Why not? And there he leaves

1:19:34

our story. Fortunately,

1:19:36

he dies a couple of years later before he can really

1:19:38

invade China. But Iyazhi, he was

1:19:40

quite a character he

1:19:41

was. Maybe

1:19:42

I've assumed him

1:19:43

in a panda bear. Yes. Probably. They

1:19:45

were vicious back then. A

1:19:48

lot less lazy. Yep. More

1:19:50

reproductive. Swarmed

1:19:53

by them. Just just like,

1:19:56

drop like drop bears in our shreds, drop other

1:19:58

trees, and -- Yes. -- that's awesome. Swarmy

1:20:01

like locusts. It was awful. Yeah.

1:20:03

So we're we're leaf tomorrow being swarmed by

1:20:05

pandas. Yeah. But we're we're

1:20:07

doing Manuel. So let's go back to Manuel

1:20:09

Manuel, here's of this brilliant.

1:20:12

Okay. I can go home then. I don't need to

1:20:14

be raising troops in Western Europe. Back

1:20:16

to the capital. So he heads back to Constantinople

1:20:19

169 he finds his nephew has already dealt with

1:20:21

the aftermath of the destruction of the Ottomans

1:20:23

understandably. He had to deal with it.

1:20:25

Yeah. His nephew had

1:20:28

sided with Solomon. Solomon

1:20:30

was based its oldest 169.

1:20:32

And was now claiming to be Sultan. And

1:20:34

Solomon had agreed that Constantinople no

1:20:37

longer had to pay an annual tribute, and

1:20:39

also they could have thessalonica back.

1:20:42

Well, Yes. Yeah.

1:20:44

This this was this was great. We're

1:20:46

in Empire again. Yeah. Solomon

1:20:49

was going to rule from Adrianople. And

1:20:51

try and rebuild an incredibly weak

1:20:54

Ottoman empire. But

1:20:56

the the Romans Right. Yeah. Like

1:20:58

you say, we're we're we're expanding again.

1:21:01

And our biggest threat has been destroyed.

1:21:03

Manuel probably couldn't believe his luck. And

1:21:05

also, John seven didn't revolt.

1:21:09

Yeah. Much to Manuel's relief. It was

1:21:11

agreed that John would go to thessalonica 169

1:21:14

he would roll it. Nice. Yeah.

1:21:16

So Manuel unpacks all his

1:21:18

stuff, puts his little wooden

1:21:20

replica rifle tower the tower of London

1:21:22

open his

1:21:23

bedroom. Nice.

1:21:24

Yep. Is that the fridge magnets?

1:21:27

Yes. And then he looks around.

1:21:30

Okay. Right. What do I need to

1:21:32

do? What sort out the city? It's

1:21:34

bit of a mess, but also the land

1:21:37

that we've got back under control. It's not just

1:21:39

thessalarmica, the city. It's a fair

1:21:41

bit of the right side of that triangle has

1:21:43

been given back to them. Not

1:21:45

beyond the Ram's possibility that they're going

1:21:47

to be able to, like, actually have

1:21:49

continuous land down to Morio again.

1:21:52

This is like decent land back in the

1:21:54

empire. I mean, I say

1:21:56

decent. For the time, it's decent

1:21:58

anyway. Yeah. Yeah. So that's

1:22:00

that's good. So he starts just working on

1:22:02

Rowling and trying to improve

1:22:04

things. As he's doing this, a couple of deaths

1:22:06

occur, His beloved brother Theodore

1:22:09

dies in

1:22:10

Moria, that was sad. then

1:22:12

John seven dies, which wasn't sad.

1:22:15

Oh, what's a shame? I

1:22:18

shall grieve him. Finished.

1:22:22

Latin time. However,

1:22:25

obviously, Manuel is not going to be able to just

1:22:28

get our withdrawal link undisturbed for

1:22:30

lung. The Ottomans are not going to be quiet

1:22:32

forever. Beza's sons

1:22:34

were competing to take over the throne

1:22:36

and had started to plot against each other.

1:22:39

Five, in fact, brothers in Totalus.

1:22:42

you want to make a note of these? We've

1:22:44

already mentioned Solomon, the oldest brother.

1:22:46

He is Sultan at the moment, but

1:22:48

there's also Easter, Mammoth,

1:22:51

and Musa. They're the other three

1:22:53

brothers. And also, unknown

1:22:55

to any of them at the time is someone

1:22:57

called Mustafa. Who claims

1:23:00

that he's also a son of Be converset,

1:23:03

but he's sort of unknown at this point.

1:23:05

So there's five sons of Be converset. Solomon,

1:23:08

Issa, Melad, Musa, and Mustafa.

1:23:11

They are all going to fight each other

1:23:13

to see who's going to become the next Sultan.

1:23:15

Place your bets. If you're listening, who do

1:23:18

you think is gonna go out pop if you

1:23:20

don't know? And Jamie, who you're gonna choose? Who you're

1:23:22

putting your money behind? Either

1:23:24

Solomon. So I think he's the oldest he's

1:23:26

got my

1:23:27

experience. He has already salted,

1:23:29

so he's coming from a position of power. Yeah.

1:23:32

I so I don't need to miss Stafford. I think he was 169

1:23:34

like, hey, look, he's me then die his

1:23:37

any. Okay. But almost as soon

1:23:39

as he walks out of a door,

1:23:40

like like wood

1:23:41

drops in his head, unconscious, stabbed.

1:23:43

So I I'm gonna say, cinnamon comes

1:23:46

out on top. You're gonna go after someone.

1:23:48

Okay. And your second

1:23:49

guess, just in case he doesn't? Issa. Okay.

1:23:55

It's the second name you said. Fair

1:23:56

enough. Right. Okay.

1:23:58

The first move in this war of succession

1:24:00

was by Mammoth. He killed

1:24:02

Isa. Okay.

1:24:03

He's out the picture there. He's out the picture. Membered

1:24:05

ordered him to be strangled. So,

1:24:08

there you go, strangulation, death. Cross

1:24:11

him off 169 he's gone.

1:24:13

Yeah. Then Musa declares war on

1:24:15

Solomon. Yeah. This

1:24:17

war lasts six years Manuel

1:24:20

was more than happy to watch the Ottomans

1:24:22

fight against each other whilst he was getting

1:24:24

on with trying to rebuild his empire. However,

1:24:28

Maumas is not a fool as we know. He

1:24:30

realized eventually one of these brothers is gonna

1:24:32

169 up on top, and he needs to use this time

1:24:34

to build the Empire's power up. So

1:24:37

he continues to write to the West support

1:24:39

with the usual results. If yes, of course, we'll

1:24:41

send help. Soon as something

1:24:43

happens that makes us actually do it.

1:24:46

But more practically, he started looking

1:24:48

into how to fortify Moria. He

1:24:51

was worried that the Ottomans, now

1:24:53

that they've only really got decent land

1:24:55

in Europe. Once they organize themselves, they're gonna

1:24:57

sweep down into the bottom of the triangle and

1:24:59

take the only land that they have that's

1:25:02

not their salonika 169 Constantinople. Mhmm.

1:25:05

So plans for a wall

1:25:07

to cut off the south of modern Greece were

1:25:09

made. You know how that southern

1:25:12

bit of Greece is just hasn't

1:25:14

now It's just got a narrow bit of

1:25:16

land. That attaches it. Well,

1:25:18

we could build a wall across that he thought.

1:25:21

So they they make plan to do that.

1:25:23

Eventually, this wall is built pretty

1:25:25

much overnight By the way, it's a quite impressive

1:25:28

feat of engineering. Well, it's a very small bit of

1:25:30

land. It's like three feet across. It's like

1:25:32

really annoyed the land owners in the area though because

1:25:34

they have pay for. But it's halfway through

1:25:36

by farm. But it's

1:25:39

a farmer from earlier.

1:25:40

Yeah. And you're

1:25:41

moving out, new farmland, new carrots,

1:25:43

then suddenly,

1:25:44

But the war through his farm. The

1:25:47

What current? Meanwhile, whilst all this

1:25:49

is going on the wall between Solomon and

1:25:51

Musa came to an end, Musa

1:25:53

attacked Ivan Apple, taking

1:25:55

someone by surprise. Someone

1:25:57

writes to Manuel asking for aid. Manuel

1:26:00

sends troops. You got tables

1:26:02

have turned. Oh, yeah. Definitely. Manuel,

1:26:04

say send troops. He wants Solomon in charge.

1:26:06

Solomon is the one who agreed they could have

1:26:08

their silonica 169 that they could stop paying

1:26:10

the money. Solomon is a soft touch.

1:26:13

They want Solomon. So they send troops

1:26:15

to support the Ottoman leader who

1:26:17

had been so generous to

1:26:18

them, but it wasn't enough Mousa

1:26:21

169, and had Solomon strangled.

1:26:23

Oh,

1:26:24

no more. It's just guessed it was a good one.

1:26:27

You

1:26:27

do guessed it was pleasure. Right.

1:26:28

Go on.

1:26:29

Who are you gonna guess next? That III

1:26:33

rescinded my first point in misstaffing rocking

1:26:35

up and going, I'm never

1:26:36

No. You gotta go from the staffing. Okay. I'll

1:26:38

end the misstaffing. I'm right. So

1:26:41

Musa is now the leader, and

1:26:43

he is no Solomon. Musa

1:26:45

came from a faction who thought that Solomon

1:26:47

had given far too much to the Roman 169

1:26:50

they wanted to take it back. They were the hardliners.

1:26:53

And Musa wasted no time. He

1:26:55

gathered troops 169 he marched on Constantinople.

1:26:59

Another siege begins overnight. However,

1:27:02

this isn't like the earlier sieges. Manuel

1:27:04

had not wasted the previous few years

1:27:07

the city was ready They weren't going to

1:27:09

be caught out like at the start of

1:27:11

his reign, where he was dealing with

1:27:13

the aftermath of his Farber's reign. The

1:27:15

city had enough provisions, no one was going

1:27:17

hungry this time, they had enough ships

1:27:19

to keep the sea lanes open. They

1:27:22

had fortified the walls enough that Musa

1:27:24

had to keep a distance. This

1:27:27

This was looking much better than last time.

1:27:29

Still, mousa sent in demands anyway,

1:27:31

surrender and start paying the annual

1:27:34

tribute again. Solo 169? Pay

1:27:36

the annual tribute, and then I'll leave you alone.

1:27:39

Manuel stalled for time because once

1:27:41

Musa had set up a

1:27:42

siege, Manuel set his plan

1:27:44

in that He did Henry the fourth. Oh, yeah.

1:27:46

No. We sent it. We sent it ages ago.

1:27:48

Yeah. He got it. Waylaid in Genoa.

1:27:51

Sorry. That's bloody Genoa. Yeah.

1:27:56

No. No. He'd sent off a letter

1:27:58

to Anatolia, where

1:28:00

Mennert was. Uh-oh. Okay.

1:28:03

The other brothers

1:28:04

Yes.

1:28:05

He's always strangled, Esa, 169 Yes.

1:28:08

Yep. Absolutely. Right. Why don't

1:28:10

you come and defeat your brother Musa?

1:28:12

This

1:28:13

is right here. Big open fields. Yeah.

1:28:15

I'll help you, and then you can be

1:28:17

in charge of the Ottomans. Mehmed

1:28:20

wrote back saying, I'm listening.

1:28:23

So he was invited to the capital. He's

1:28:26

been through through the siege. Well,

1:28:28

they had the the sea open

1:28:30

because they they bad this time. So,

1:28:32

yeah, he was able to go into the capital. Med

1:28:34

Med was entertained for three days.

1:28:37

For three days, he was told how he couldn't

1:28:39

lose. He was really peped up. And

1:28:43

after those three days, apologies.

1:28:46

Still by the government on his own. Yeah.

1:28:49

Pretty much naked with two swords.

1:28:52

What what three days of drinking Well

1:28:55

When I first read this, I assumed

1:28:57

he went back after agreeing to fight

1:28:59

his brother and prepared. But no apparently,

1:29:02

after three days, he left

1:29:04

the city with fifteen

1:29:06

thousand men. Who I can obviously

1:29:09

seem were lent to him. And

1:29:12

yes, I'd like to think with two swords and hands

1:29:15

shirtless, just screaming. Yeah.

1:29:19

He lost -- Yeah. -- to the nipple.

1:29:22

No. No. Or if he did, so he

1:29:24

had tough nibbles 169 it bounced

1:29:26

off. He managed to escape. He was not

1:29:28

killed. Suradoth Manuel

1:29:30

was encouraging him to link up with the Serbians

1:29:33

and then attack his brother again. Okay.

1:29:35

That didn't work. But that's

1:29:38

some Serbians who don't like your brother. I've

1:29:40

I've already given fifteen thousand men,

1:29:42

but yeah, come on. You can do

1:29:44

this. So more pep talks. This does definitely

1:29:46

work. Yeah. Lots more pep talks. Late

1:29:49

night karaoke to build up his confidence,

1:29:51

things like that. Few shots Yeah.

1:29:54

Exactly. 169 soon enough a new force

1:29:56

was put together, and Mehmed attacks

1:29:58

his brother. He loses

1:30:00

again.

1:30:02

But the third time Jamie, the third time

1:30:05

I could do it this time. Yeah.

1:30:07

Just drink the whole bottle before I hit

1:30:09

come on. And this

1:30:11

one worked. Third time, the siege

1:30:13

is broken. Musa is driven off the city.

1:30:16

The two brothers then fighting each other in a short

1:30:18

war. Long story short here, Musa

1:30:21

Lizards. Mhmm. And

1:30:23

as it's becoming traditional with his family,

1:30:26

Mela Edgold had him strangled. Yes.

1:30:28

Right? There we go. Mehmed is now

1:30:31

the Sultan. I wouldn't have predicted

1:30:33

him. No. He was appreciative

1:30:36

of Manuel's support. And once

1:30:38

he had won this war and became Sultan, he sent

1:30:40

work to Manuel. He said

1:30:42

to the the messengers, quote,

1:30:45

Go and say to the emperor of the Romans

1:30:47

that I shall be his subject, a

1:30:49

son to a father. For he

1:30:51

will find me neither unaware or ungrateful.

1:30:54

Let him order me to do his bidding

1:30:57

169 I shall with the greatest of pleasure

1:30:59

execute his wishes like a

1:31:01

servant. That's very kind

1:31:03

very kind, essentially saying,

1:31:06

yeah, I'll be a Totalus state to the moment.

1:31:08

This this is looking really good. Manuel

1:31:11

is plaguing the Ottoman princes

1:31:13

off each

1:31:13

other, and he is getting results. Almost

1:31:16

like, what they did

1:31:17

to him or

1:31:18

Oh, the tables have turned so much.

1:31:20

This is the opposite of how he

1:31:23

came to power. Just devink later

1:31:25

a symbolic table turning in in the

1:31:27

palace. I 169,

1:31:29

grab one egg, one corner. Seriously, it's a circle.

1:31:31

Well, grab a grab an edge. I think

1:31:33

Manuel just leaned back in his chair.

1:31:35

Put his feet up on the table then just get his

1:31:38

heel a quick flick 169 the table

1:31:40

will just

1:31:40

spump. 169 I think that's hard.

1:31:43

Yes. Then then you just put hell

1:31:45

to match the spinning table, match lit

1:31:47

cigarette. Yeah. Manuel

1:31:49

is aging. You can come by this point. So

1:31:52

if it's still yeah. I've been a really cool way.

1:31:54

Oh, in a really cool Silver Fox

1:31:56

kind of way. That stashes. It's

1:31:59

It's a silver mustache now, but it's just

1:32:01

as cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's

1:32:03

he's from Mako guitars looking a little bit

1:32:05

worse for wear, but light

1:32:07

trigger. Like, trip? If

1:32:09

you're you're a guitar fan and you're hearing

1:32:11

this, you know what I mean. Okay. No fan. Don't

1:32:13

don't don't don't interrupt. Don't interrupt. Yeah.

1:32:17

He just plugs away on

1:32:19

his guitar whilst everything

1:32:21

falls into place. Excellent. So

1:32:24

he goes on walling for a bit, peace to

1:32:26

sense of as close to as possible

1:32:28

for a while. He works on fortifying

1:32:31

areas. He goes on a tour of his lands,

1:32:33

the wall that was planned before

1:32:36

is built at this point. His

1:32:38

son John VIII is now old enough to

1:32:40

be left in charge of capital. So

1:32:42

he has left in charge for capital. Meanwhile,

1:32:45

by the way, Bay is its final 169,

1:32:47

Gustavo, who, like I say, may not have been

1:32:49

son. He claimed he was a son but he certainly

1:32:51

wasn't a promised family member. He was a long

1:32:53

lost son. Anyway, he suddenly

1:32:56

pops up. I'm the son of Bezerd,

1:32:58

he said, I'm the true sultan.

1:33:00

And after a series of events that we don't have time

1:33:02

to get into, he was captured in Thessalonica.

1:33:05

So the Romans have him. So Manuel

1:33:07

has two options. He either

1:33:09

hands Mustafa over to Mehmet

1:33:12

or he keeps Mustafa as a prisoner

1:33:14

just in case. What's he gonna do?

1:33:16

Keep him just in case. 169 that's exactly what

1:33:18

he does. He writes to Mehmed and says,

1:33:21

I'm not gonna give him to you, but I

1:33:23

keep him under lock and key. Don't worry. He

1:33:26

cannot harm your sergeant's ship. You

1:33:28

are still sergeant. So this is Manuel,

1:33:30

just letting Ma'am, I'd know who's

1:33:32

actually in charge

1:33:33

here. Yeah. And just having a spare

1:33:35

sultan in the back pocket, that's useful,

1:33:37

isn't it? Yeah. It's grandi. Yeah. Yeah.

1:33:39

You think you'll forget, and it's like finding a five pound

1:33:42

nose. Oh, didn't Let's have

1:33:43

this. Brilliant. Let's spend this

1:33:46

now. Excellent. Great.

1:33:48

Wake them up. Oh, no. We've really

1:33:50

did forget about

1:33:51

him. Didn't we hold it? Oh. Why

1:33:54

don't you give him a drink?

1:33:55

Yeah. A drink. Yeah.

1:33:57

As you can imagine, Mehmed wasn't best pleased

1:33:59

about this, but it does seem like the two

1:34:01

men actually got on well enough personally

1:34:03

169 no lasting damage was done.

1:34:06

So there you go. This is just Manuel.

1:34:08

It's showing up her some political

1:34:10

capital here. Yeah. Right. By this point,

1:34:13

Manuel's getting old. Like I say, he was

1:34:15

passing more and more of the Empire's dealings to his

1:34:17

169, John eight. John gets married

1:34:19

his crowned co m proformally, and Manuel

1:34:22

starts to step back from his duties.

1:34:24

Because of this, we start to see a rift

1:34:26

in the policies towards the Ottomans, however.

1:34:29

Manuel trusted Mammoth to keep the peace.

1:34:32

His son John did not The

1:34:34

more John took over to

1:34:36

the more harsh the empire were with the Ottomans.

1:34:39

At one point, Mehmed asked to pass

1:34:41

through the capital. Whilst he

1:34:43

was passing from Anatolia into

1:34:45

your plans. A man without giving permission.

1:34:47

Yeah, of course he didn't come through. John, however,

1:34:50

went to his father and went, this is the perfect

1:34:52

opportunity to ambush him. We could

1:34:54

ambush him, and then we would have

1:34:56

the Ottoman Sultan in our power.

1:34:58

Manuel looked at his son and

1:35:00

just went, no. No. We we

1:35:03

have made a pact

1:35:05

of truce between our empires. It's

1:35:07

working Let's not rock the boat.

1:35:10

So he refused to listen 169 meant to

1:35:12

pass through the capital unharmed. However,

1:35:16

Shortly after, Mammoth died

1:35:19

very suddenly. It's not clear how

1:35:21

his aids keep it hidden for a while because

1:35:23

they don't want anyone to know in the outside

1:35:26

world, but it's either a hunting accident

1:35:28

or poison. But it's

1:35:30

suspicious or whatever it is.

1:35:34

Yeah. The fact that he was hunting accident,

1:35:36

he had eighteen hours in his back. What

1:35:40

was carrying a glass of poison juice?

1:35:42

News reaches Constantinople. We

1:35:45

can only guess Manuel's reaction to this

1:35:47

and whether he blamed his we just

1:35:49

don't know. Either way, he

1:35:51

wanted to recognize Morad two

1:35:54

as the next Sultan, this is Mehmed's son.

1:35:57

Okay. Succession can pass on. We will

1:35:59

recognize Moab two. Moab

1:36:01

two was more than happy with this, okay, I'll

1:36:03

carry on doing what my father did where carry

1:36:05

on. However, John

1:36:08

eight has a better plan. He

1:36:10

goes to his father, why don't we

1:36:12

use Mustafa? Remember,

1:36:15

we've got mister Stafford and the cell still?

1:36:17

Why don't we use him and

1:36:19

get them to fight each other? Where are we

1:36:21

at least mister Stafford? given some men he can fight

1:36:23

lower too, it will weaken the Ottomans

1:36:26

just like they did to us for

1:36:27

years, just like you did

1:36:29

with the older brothers. Let's carry on doing

1:36:31

that. Good man.

1:36:33

But we don't need to do this.

1:36:36

Well, as well, by this point

1:36:38

me, my son.

1:36:40

Man, wow, by this point was too old to argue.

1:36:43

John Hate has the power in the court.

1:36:46

Man, well, doesn't like the idea, but Mustafa

1:36:49

is released. He's

1:36:51

given support. Mustafa sets

1:36:53

off against moderate two. Who

1:36:56

instantly destroys

1:36:57

Mustafa, at least one of your predictions is

1:36:59

correct.

1:37:00

Yes. This is She

1:37:02

said to the door. I'm free. I'm out

1:37:04

of the face. Yes. Yeah.

1:37:08

We're stuff as dead. So

1:37:10

none of the sons of Beyzez

1:37:13

really win, but you could argue Meyze

1:37:15

was the ultimate winner because it's his son

1:37:17

who becomes the salt on the bench 169 Mora

1:37:20

two is furious,

1:37:23

shall we say, with the empire? You

1:37:25

betrayed me. You said that

1:37:27

I could be the next sultan. And

1:37:29

now, you have just betrayed me. You

1:37:31

tried to have me killed. And Morad

1:37:34

two was not messing about. He

1:37:36

was a a go get them kind of sultan.

1:37:39

He was enraged at the empire, dared

1:37:42

to try and take his birthright from him, So

1:37:44

he raises a force he marches

1:37:46

on the capital yet another

1:37:49

siege. And this siege was

1:37:51

a serious siege. Mora two

1:37:53

was not messing about. It

1:37:55

this was not like the

1:37:57

last siege, which was an attempt to get the

1:37:59

Empire to pay an annual tribute. This

1:38:02

Siege was designed for one thing and one

1:38:04

thing only to break the city

1:38:07

and to end the empire. An immense

1:38:09

ramp up was built power out to the

1:38:11

walls of the city, slave traders

1:38:13

were called to be ready because

1:38:16

once the city fell 169

1:38:18

was going to be sold into slavery. They

1:38:20

were going to utterly gut

1:38:22

this place and raise it to the ground.

1:38:25

Amendment two was not messing about.

1:38:27

Manuel, meanwhile, old Manuel,

1:38:30

barely keeping it together. He's just

1:38:32

slowly reading old love letters

1:38:34

that he composed in his youth and

1:38:37

strumming on his guitar, looking out the window,

1:38:40

and news comes to him.

1:38:43

What's going on? He's got one last

1:38:45

trick up his sleeve. It's an old trick.

1:38:47

It's worked before. Let's see if it works

1:38:49

again. Is he connected,

1:38:51

I guess? Yes. He's

1:38:53

gonna write some letters. He's

1:38:55

gonna write a letter. Yes. Oh,

1:38:57

because Moa too had

1:39:00

a brother Now he was young,

1:39:02

too young to rule, but man well knew

1:39:04

people. He knew people in the

1:39:06

Ottoman Empire because he'd got on fairly

1:39:08

well with Mehmed. Say,

1:39:10

he wrote to these people in Anatolia saying,

1:39:13

if you can overthrow Marad, then

1:39:16

we will support his brother on the throne.

1:39:19

it works. Arrested in the Ottoman Empire

1:39:21

due to this letter meant that Mauret

1:39:23

had to lift the siege, but

1:39:25

that was the only good news because

1:39:28

Morad soon got a handle off on things

1:39:30

169 then decided rather than try to crack

1:39:32

the capital again immediately before

1:39:35

he does that because, oh, he is going

1:39:37

to do that. Morant wants to destroy

1:39:39

Constantinople. But first, he

1:39:41

says, Let's take everything

1:39:44

from them. Oh, no, thessalika.

1:39:47

Things then happen. But by

1:39:49

this point, It's roughly about this time

1:39:51

that Manuel suffers a stroke. He

1:39:54

is paralyzed, but his mind

1:39:56

still works. For the next three years, he's

1:39:58

still emperor, but his son is doing the real

1:40:00

wall ink. So we'll cover what happens

1:40:02

in John eight's episodes. But

1:40:05

Manuel would have been informed that thessalonica

1:40:08

has indeed fallen. In fact,

1:40:10

pretty much everything he has gained in

1:40:13

his lifetime. Has

1:40:15

gone back to how it used to be when

1:40:17

he first became emperor. And as

1:40:19

a very angry, Ottoman

1:40:21

sultan, about to knock down

1:40:23

the gates of Constantinople. And

1:40:26

then in fourteen twenty five, he

1:40:28

was molt a few days before succumbing

1:40:31

to an

1:40:31

illness. And dies.

1:40:34

And that is the end of Medwell

1:40:36

Doss. That

1:40:40

was a good episode. I enjoyed that

1:40:42

very interesting narrative. Yeah.

1:40:45

We're we're we're going out on a bit more a

1:40:47

bit more of a, I don't know, it's still

1:40:49

falling apart, but in a different way to the West

1:40:51

flat apart. Yeah. That was just like a

1:40:53

slow limper. That

1:40:54

was a poor temper. Temper being

1:40:56

rubbish whereas Yeah.

1:40:58

You can see so much potential. There's savvy.

1:41:01

There's politics. There's a

1:41:03

bit of fighting. But, you know Yeah. Well,

1:41:05

I'm talking of which. Let's wait and shall we?

1:41:07

Fiantly. Maximum.

1:41:10

Okay. I mean, he he didn't personally

1:41:12

do really anything in the way of fighting his

1:41:14

emperor. But don't forget, let's look back

1:41:16

at the start of the episode. He was involved

1:41:19

in fighting in his youth. He

1:41:21

fought for More Ads and for Bezos. When

1:41:23

he was young because he was forced to, but

1:41:25

he was doing fighting. We don't

1:41:27

really get any stories of him fighting

1:41:30

for the Ottomans. We do get

1:41:32

one small thing. Apparently, he was the

1:41:34

first over the wall when fighting

1:41:36

against the the Filipians. But

1:41:38

that's almost certainly not true.

1:41:41

This was this is hyperbole

1:41:43

being used to highlight the fact that a

1:41:45

Roman Emperor was fighting for

1:41:48

the Ottomans against a Greek

1:41:49

city, and oh, that looks bad, doesn't it?

1:41:51

He he probably probably picked me sword for the

1:41:53

first time after, like, the fourth or fifth day

1:41:56

of fighting. Probably.

1:41:57

Yeah. He's he's a lover, not a fighter.

1:41:59

That's what he is. What else do you

1:42:01

do though? He did get Sayers back for the empire.

1:42:04

Remember, after he'd freed his dad, he

1:42:06

came back, realized that Saras the

1:42:09

the Serbians didn't hold it very strongly,

1:42:11

so he managed to get Saras back. That's good.

1:42:14

So he did some fighting there. He

1:42:16

was in no fewer than four separate

1:42:19

sieges in his life. Yeah.

1:42:22

Yes. Some of them lasting years.

1:42:25

The first one, thessalonica, he

1:42:27

had to flee. 169 do too good

1:42:29

there. The second

1:42:32

one, he left to get help.

1:42:34

If you were unkind, you could say he fled again.

1:42:37

But the last two, he used political maneuvering

1:42:40

to get out of them, and that was actually pretty good.

1:42:42

So some political fighting there. Analyically,

1:42:46

he just refused to give up. So

1:42:48

he he just kept trying to get

1:42:50

support to fight. Most of his rule was

1:42:52

just trying to get support to fight the up.

1:42:55

Ottomans. He did not bow down to the Ottomans

1:42:57

like his father did. He fought fought

1:42:59

fought and fought his whole life. Yeah.

1:43:01

Just not giving up. So

1:43:04

it's mixed bag, no

1:43:06

massive

1:43:07

stories. I don't think we can go into high points,

1:43:09

but he's certainly deserves some. I

1:43:11

think so. I'd I'd

1:43:13

give him health. There's

1:43:15

a lot so it's political fighting. I'll give him

1:43:17

a healthy

1:43:18

five, I think. But how does that between four

1:43:20

and five? I'm

1:43:21

gonna go five. Okay. I'll

1:43:23

match with them. You can get them. Ten. Ten.

1:43:26

Proveum, crazy of the other.

1:43:29

Okay. We get a lot of detail on Manuel

1:43:31

compared to other emperors

1:43:33

around this

1:43:34

time. And you've got

1:43:36

to say he seems like very sensible guy.

1:43:39

Yeah.

1:43:40

Really does. We've had a word

1:43:42

of sensible weakness for a while. We've not

1:43:44

had much in the way of crazy halfway. Mhmm.

1:43:46

But he Also, Manuel does very little

1:43:49

a program. We've had a program recently. Mhmm.

1:43:51

We've had fathers blinding sons.

1:43:53

We've had sons queuing against fathers.

1:43:56

Manuel doesn't really do any of that.

1:43:58

His father outlaws him,

1:44:01

but you Manuel was doing the sensible

1:44:03

thing. You It's I'm behind him. He

1:44:06

was

1:44:06

trying to defend a city. Yeah.

1:44:10

So if there's not really any a problem

1:44:12

either, unless you can think of something in that story

1:44:14

that I've missed. No. No.

1:44:16

He just seemed like somebody trying to do his

1:44:18

best for the well, I can't see

1:44:20

the Empire City. He seems

1:44:22

like a competent ruler.

1:44:24

Yes. Yeah. Who's very

1:44:27

sensible. Even on

1:44:29

on his deathbed, he

1:44:31

is said to have told

1:44:33

an adviser that his son wants

1:44:35

to be a great emperor, but what he

1:44:37

needs to be is a good manager. It's

1:44:42

just a sensible person. Yeah.

1:44:45

He's not crazy. I

1:44:47

don't think he can get any points in this round

1:44:49

at

1:44:49

all. No. Which

1:44:50

is a shame.

1:44:51

It's a shame. But is

1:44:53

there a

1:44:54

Successless alternatives. Okay.

1:44:56

How do we judge this? The

1:44:59

empire on his death is pretty much

1:45:01

in the exact same state as when he came

1:45:03

to the throne. But I would argue that

1:45:05

in itself is remarkable. When

1:45:08

you look at how long he called. That's a

1:45:10

good point. When he came to power, he

1:45:12

was clearly a pocket emperor

1:45:14

to a Sultan who was about to take over. Who's

1:45:16

being ordered to go and visit, like, yeah.

1:45:18

Yeah. He was being ordered around. He was a pocket emperor.

1:45:21

He was one of two potential pocket

1:45:23

templars. It's but

1:45:26

he had no power whatsoever. And

1:45:29

yet, he outlasted that

1:45:32

sultan he set the Sultan's sons

1:45:34

against each other for long enough the Empire

1:45:36

to keep going for quite some time.

1:45:38

The Roman Empire definitely would have

1:45:40

fallen if it wasn't for his abilities.

1:45:43

Definitely. Yeah. You

1:45:46

get the feeling. If John seven

1:45:48

had to become the next emperor instead

1:45:51

of Manuel, that's it. That

1:45:53

would have been our last episode. But man, well,

1:45:55

keeps everything together.

1:45:56

Yeah. He's he's a spider legs hanging

1:45:59

on water's a four

1:46:01

line

1:46:02

head. That's what he is. And

1:46:04

yes, the empire got very lucky

1:46:07

with bezed being destroyed. By

1:46:09

Timur. But

1:46:12

Ma'am, I'll took advantage of that. You

1:46:14

could criticize him for abandoning

1:46:17

the Empire and just going off to the

1:46:19

west when the city was being seeched.

1:46:21

But you could argue he had no

1:46:23

other option. He needed help from somewhere

1:46:25

and he needs do something, so he

1:46:27

tried it. He didn't succeed in

1:46:30

getting help from the west, and he spent

1:46:32

most of his life trying to do it. So

1:46:34

could you say he failed there? But

1:46:37

could he have done more? I mean, he

1:46:40

he wouldn't lift over there for a while. He went

1:46:42

from country to country asking for help. He

1:46:44

then went back to Constantinople

1:46:46

and ask for more

1:46:47

help. But

1:46:49

he did he did get some of the

1:46:50

help. He had the the whole cavalry,

1:46:53

what's it called? Crusade.

1:46:54

The hell of the crusade wasn't him, though.

1:46:56

No. But he was successfully in getting it started.

1:46:59

That he didn't even get it it. It was the

1:47:01

the king of Hungary. Got that started because he was

1:47:03

born. He asked for help. He

1:47:05

he did. He he was the fire.

1:47:08

He was the flight

1:47:09

catalyst. A That's the

1:47:11

169. Him being invaded was a

1:47:13

catalyst. I don't think we can give him credit for that.

1:47:16

Considering we're only three emperors

1:47:18

to from the end, I'd say he did

1:47:20

remarkably well. It's a falling apart

1:47:22

empire. He bloody well. Yeah.

1:47:24

I mean, he's not getting high points. Because

1:47:27

the empire's still in the same state, but

1:47:29

he kept it going. And that

1:47:31

is impressive. For that reason, I'm gonna give him

1:47:34

60I was thinking the

1:47:36

same

1:47:36

thing. Okay. A five would be

1:47:38

nothing changes. Yep. But it did

1:47:40

change. It got worse. Then it got better.

1:47:43

And we see him. Yes. But

1:47:46

you could argue it it it got worse because

1:47:48

of his son rather than through

1:47:49

heaven. Yes. Wow. That's my son. We will judge his

1:47:51

169. Last episode. I agree

1:47:53

with six. I am gonna match you with twelve.

1:47:55

Twelve. Okay. He's

1:47:58

holding a sausage. He's holding a sausage It's a sausage

1:48:01

or a lobster or something. It's

1:48:03

or a big boomerang. He's holding something

1:48:05

and he looks happy about it. Yeah.

1:48:09

He's got a a big gray beard.

1:48:12

Big gray mustache. 169

1:48:15

it almost looks like he's got a cheeky little

1:48:17

smile. It's that's a cross on. That's

1:48:19

what it is. Oh, from

1:48:20

France. Yeah. It's

1:48:21

from France. It's when he was in France. He's eating a cross

1:48:23

on 169 even looks like he's nibbled the top of it.

1:48:27

Yeah. I mean, it is

1:48:30

still very reminiscent of

1:48:32

previous image.

1:48:33

Yeah. It is. It's not exactly

1:48:35

the same as the drawings we've had It's

1:48:37

it's more of like a

1:48:38

it's more 3DA bit more Yes.

1:48:40

-- painting. It's it is very reminiscent

1:48:43

though, isn't it? I'm going to go straight

1:48:45

down the middle five because it's nothing new, but

1:48:47

I'm gonna give them a bonus point for the cross on.

1:48:49

So get you get over six. Yeah. I'm going

1:48:51

to six. I'll go with

1:48:53

twelve, which gives me a total of three.

1:48:56

K. Ten to complete

1:48:58

it. I think he Oh,

1:49:00

I don't know if you quite answer forty years, but

1:49:03

the thirty late thirty, smile

1:49:05

at. I don't know. From

1:49:07

thirteen ninety one to fourteen

1:49:10

twenty five.

1:49:12

Can

1:49:12

you tell me what

1:49:13

that is? Thirty five years.

1:49:15

Thirty five years. That's very good. Yeah.

1:49:18

That is thirty five years. And for most

1:49:20

of it, him actually ruling like him

1:49:22

being a ruler.

1:49:23

This is very impressive. But

1:49:26

at this point -- Yeah. -- at this point. Huge.

1:49:28

Hugely impressive. Yeah.

1:49:32

That gives him a score four point two

1:49:34

five for this round. Which

1:49:36

gives him a total if I've added this up

1:49:39

generally, of twenty nine point

1:49:41

two

1:49:41

five. That's what I got. Twenty

1:49:43

nine point two five, not quite in the thirties club.

1:49:45

No problem. But

1:49:46

he's point seven five away. So Yeah.

1:49:49

And considering

1:49:51

as one of the last emperors, that is

1:49:53

higher points than I'd be expecting at this time

1:49:55

in a podcast. So Yes.

1:49:58

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, and I

1:50:00

think we've got a genuine question for

1:50:02

now. Oh, we do. Oh. Do

1:50:04

they have a cell phone? Okay.

1:50:09

Strip away all all of the stuff of the fact

1:50:11

that he's calling in Spanish. That's

1:50:13

like a good This is a skin of a sausage. It's

1:50:15

it's I'm I'm just gonna say that there is

1:50:17

a chance that that is not historically accurate.

1:50:19

III don't know where that comes

1:50:21

from. Okay. We'll we'll do that as

1:50:24

hypothetical. Hypothetically, it might not be

1:50:26

a thing. Yeah. It might not be a thing.

1:50:28

We'd like to deal with facts. So let's

1:50:31

pretend that that's would

1:50:33

just discount all the obvious evidence

1:50:35

that he had pencil to thin mustache 169

1:50:38

he had his guitar. If

1:50:40

you just get to the nuts and bolts of the story,

1:50:43

he has the fact that he came to England, that

1:50:45

is something I would tell people about. Yes.

1:50:49

And he went to Paris, which is called

1:50:51

as well.

1:50:52

He didn't give up. He kept

1:50:54

fighting. He was ballsy

1:50:57

compared to his father. It's like, nope. This is what we're

1:50:59

gonna do. You need to help me do

1:51:01

it.

1:51:01

Definitely, compared to his father, he was.

1:51:04

Is that enough to catch any Caesar though, Jeremy?

1:51:07

The empire was at a point where it would have

1:51:09

collapsed. Yeah.

1:51:11

It didn't. It lasted for another

1:51:14

thirty seven years because of him. It

1:51:16

could have

1:51:17

collapsed. Twenty

1:51:19

odd years before, and we'd our podcast would be a lot

1:51:21

shorter. Two

1:51:24

episodes. Two episodes. Sure. Sure.

1:51:26

Yeah. Hi. I

1:51:31

think hand on heart, I think I'd have to say

1:51:33

no. But if you say yes, we can

1:51:35

go to the coin. III think

1:51:37

I have to say

1:51:38

yes. Okay. You're gonna

1:51:40

say yes. Yes. Because

1:51:43

interest thing. He's an interesting guy. He he is interesting.

1:51:45

It wasn't gonna be sold. And this one

1:51:47

This end of this at this

1:51:49

point, can you imagine him for being this

1:51:51

successful, getting almost forty.

1:51:53

That was thirty. That

1:51:56

was almost ten. Almost

1:51:59

two. Okay. It's a

1:52:01

it's a power range coin for these and

1:52:03

their

1:52:03

morphers. Excellent.

1:52:06

Okay. However, both sides are the same.

1:52:08

So that feels

1:52:10

like you're trying to reckless. Yeah.

1:52:14

Dinosorb. He gets it. We

1:52:16

are going to use the

1:52:19

first time ever on this

1:52:20

podcast, a

1:52:22

new coin. Oh, a new

1:52:24

coin. Oh, sorry.

1:52:26

I wasn't looking at the screen. That that's

1:52:28

that's a king

1:52:29

Charles. So you

1:52:30

have a king Charles coin? Yeah.

1:52:33

They When have they been coming out? They gave

1:52:35

them out in shops apparently. Yeah.

1:52:37

They've been out for AII didn't realize.

1:52:40

Then I I don't use my wife's

1:52:42

hands anymore, Jamie. It's

1:52:44

the

1:52:44

future. No. Becky got it for me. So

1:52:46

I think it's just a skincare's coin. Oh,

1:52:48

okay. I look at the new back as

1:52:50

well. All different.

1:52:53

Is that across for England and

1:52:56

Wales and Scotland and

1:52:58

Nova

1:52:59

Ireland? Yes. Just got the Irish

1:53:01

harp on it. No.

1:53:02

Nice. That's got the Giddie harp

1:53:04

on it. Yeah. Now we get to see which lasts longer.

1:53:06

The United Kingdom

1:53:08

of Great Britain or King Charles. Yeah.

1:53:12

Well, I'm sure one of those sites will be obsolete

1:53:14

quite soon. Right. Anyway,

1:53:19

dark.

1:53:22

Yeah. Oh, right. Okay then. So

1:53:24

Manuel gets

1:53:25

heads. He's the head.

1:53:27

Okay. If it's King Charlie, then

1:53:30

he's got it. Okay. And we

1:53:32

flick. That

1:53:36

was the sound of the coin flicking.

1:53:38

We are But it's the camera

1:53:40

so we're obviously at the same time.

1:53:44

Did

1:53:44

you say it? Yes. I did see it. You

1:53:46

did see

1:53:46

it. I can't lie then.

1:53:52

It was head. It was head. Yes.

1:53:55

Sorry. Jupiter has

1:53:57

spoken Manuel, you

1:54:00

get Jenny Caesar, which,

1:54:02

I mean, in my heart some parts, I'm happy about

1:54:04

because obviously, Manuel

1:54:07

being this cool as we say he is is definitely true

1:54:09

and therefore he definitely deserves it. Yeah. Well, I mean,

1:54:11

you gotta go with the facts. Right? Yeah. Exactly.

1:54:13

So that is a yes for Genesis.

1:54:17

Possibly the last one we give out. But then, I mean,

1:54:19

how did you not give it to the very last emperor,

1:54:21

so It's

1:54:23

true. So Jamie, all we've got

1:54:26

is Manuel's two sons left, John

1:54:29

eight and Constantine eleven. That's

1:54:32

it. So

1:54:34

close to the end. I never thought we'd

1:54:36

get to this, I'll be honest. It's

1:54:39

crazy, isn't it? Absolutely

1:54:41

crazy. Right. Okay then. Well,

1:54:44

thank you very much for listening 169.

1:54:46

And I just like to give a Well

1:54:48

done, so Rob as well. Because at the moment, you're inflicted

1:54:50

with the with coronavirus.

1:54:53

Yes. I'm not actually well at the moment.

1:54:56

I've I'll have to edit out the coughs and

1:54:58

stuff. Yes. 169

1:55:01

kill me now. Yeah.

1:55:04

And the sloping of the lens sips. But

1:55:07

I got through the episode. Yeah. I did.

1:55:09

That's good. Yeah. Right.

1:55:12

Okay then. Well, thank you very much

1:55:14

for

1:55:15

listening, 169.

1:55:18

thanks for downloading some Poppy and iTunes Stitcher,

1:55:20

Amazon, and wherever you download it.

1:55:21

Sure. How did you laugh, Raven?

1:55:24

How did you laugh? How

1:55:26

did you laugh? How did you cry? Goodbye.

1:55:48

Hey, thank you for the letter Manuel,

1:55:51

mister Manuel, sir. Thank

1:55:54

you for inviting me. But I just

1:55:57

don't. I just don't think I could defeat Musa.

1:55:59

He's outside. He sees in the city.

1:56:01

He looks tough. And I'm I'm just

1:56:03

the younger brother and that I

1:56:05

don't think I could go against him

1:56:06

so. I'm really sorry. And that

1:56:09

is why

1:56:10

you fear. You

1:56:12

don't believe in yourself. No.

1:56:16

No. I don't.

1:56:18

And that is why you will die

1:56:21

like a do. I don't

1:56:23

want to die. I have an idea. What

1:56:26

else? Down this. Okay.

1:56:29

Now we should have

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