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than welcome to this week's episode a

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one main god i'm your house if

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you i'm sure i

1:09

mean we have dogs imagine

1:11

if you don't the other that

1:14

in a while you and your buddies watch tv

1:16

you change your dog up by your chair

1:19

and if the dog so much as made a noise

1:22

you would beat the dog you made the dog

1:24

beg you to use the restroom and quite

1:28

the dog while

1:30

it bothered me it's , dog

1:32

did something that you didn't look you would

1:34

punish the dog by chaining about to a tree

1:36

and the front yard city and color code

1:39

like me me

1:41

does absolutely nothing and

1:43

at the very least if you could pay for

1:46

so you should be in jail for clinton about you would be

1:48

a the dog owner like what's a person

1:51

would your dog the what's

1:53

even more of a pressing question is what kind

1:55

of percent would do this to

1:57

another human being because

1:59

that

2:00

david that as always

2:02

full source notes your available rotten mango

2:04

podcast dot com but there is and amazing

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book on this case called careless

2:09

in february i've ,

2:11

heard of this case up until this books and

2:13

i could not put downs i will warn

2:16

you though he gets very very emotional

2:18

probably leave you with this feeling of like

2:21

like is really i had one is what his voice

2:23

that's the feeling at the end but it is a really

2:26

good deep dive on this case the others spoke

2:28

with a ton of people involved in the case some

2:30

talking prosecutors

2:32

ernie defense attorney detect

2:34

is he interviewed the victims' families

2:37

he interviewed hundreds of people to

2:39

sign right on this case so

2:41

let's get in jonathan

2:44

may within the first date and she was

2:46

hiding a bit of a seat just steal from

2:48

the outside she seemed like a hobby kid

2:51

constantly trying to make friends but

2:53

in private she was struggling with the

2:55

speech papa ave it's just

2:57

too much for her she didn't even like to admit

2:59

it so inclined when teachers bastard

3:01

answer questions she would just for see a seasonal

3:04

straight up she wouldn't even say like i didn't understand

3:07

she wouldn't the out you please repeat

3:10

newton she would just shut up and

3:12

rather not embarrass herself in front of the

3:15

teachers later found out that she had dyslexia

3:17

they put her in special education classes

3:20

great improved but i think her self esteem really

3:22

suffered there was such as deadline i think

3:24

that they're still is which is horrendous still

3:27

with such as stigma and she just felt

3:29

lesser than the other students they made her feel so stupid

3:32

like she wasn't learning as quickly as then

3:34

she refused to show up to the special ed classes

3:37

and by the time

3:39

he did my refuse to go to school

3:41

to add onto that her parents her parents divorced

3:44

she felt like her life with free falling

3:46

crashing burning plummeting

3:49

straight to the ground her mom would

3:51

leave for work

3:52

that you'll have gone to school but then she would come

3:55

back home and jill didn't even pretend to go to

3:57

school slick you know imagine your mom left me

3:59

like i'm skipping class

4:00

like i go into schools you put on your look at that you walk

4:02

into any likes i'm so sorry school

4:04

so crazy know she would be a bee jay's

4:07

and like i should say no sense i make

4:09

it a class let she

4:11

started acting out she said it ignore throw

4:14

her mom had given her this person

4:17

yeah and her mom all the time

4:19

just nonstop during some

4:21

days the which is the noise or there for days

4:23

at a time jill started talking about

4:25

how she wanted on live with her dad the

4:28

cooler parents should spend

4:30

the weekend with her dad and them

4:32

that dude between yet less

4:34

strict on curfew never really made her do chores

4:37

is that our little ever thought i don't like being

4:39

here anymore and nc was like you know what

4:41

then do it go live with your father

4:44

i can this

4:47

you like my mom she failed

4:49

to realize that her dad was lenient because the only

4:51

saw her the on the weekends but in actuality

4:54

living with him was a lot more

4:56

intense than living with her mom nancy like he

4:58

had way more rules he was much more strict

5:00

he was in it only

5:03

our to go crawling that

5:05

her mom i'm sorry mom like

5:08

i promise i'm gonna try harder i'll do

5:10

better in school i'm going to change this issue

5:12

of the everything i will never skip

5:14

another this i was so please

5:17

nancy took a back in and , change

5:19

within the theory short lived nancy

5:21

was so fed up this times jail

5:23

went back on her word and see me the to figure

5:26

out something new i mean this is not teaching her

5:28

any less than that there have been this

5:30

place sexy joke joke waco

5:32

in cut the method

5:34

to think of it as to think

5:37

inside a community

5:40

i mean obama hundred forty acre plot of land

5:42

at houses two hundred silt

5:45

and so it's like a boarding school storm

5:47

but on the kids stay there but they attended

5:50

by public school so they'll

5:52

take the by go to the regular school that

5:54

go to come back home and it's like us

5:56

as i that christian boarding schools

5:58

they would have administrator

6:00

who would or that they would have security guards making

6:02

sure nobody left it was almost i think of it

6:04

as the ranch from dr phil that's

6:06

the vibe that it was good play

6:09

the to be idea

6:11

waco texas for like

6:13

two towns over s i'm going to be so

6:15

far away from my parents which by the way a

6:17

methodist church or

6:19

to me that sounds like

6:21

gonna be free i grew up going on

6:23

methodist church nested

6:26

is in the name of methodist some

6:28

to say and up with and nod of freeing

6:30

and bottom

6:32

they're going to let me be a dependent that's

6:34

the vibe and gangsters can be no

6:36

parents my bad

6:40

i'm not gonna they can be ruled and stuff

6:43

but whatever gonna do if i break that yeah no

6:46

the noted the kids on one hundred

6:48

thirty eight

6:49

i could have easily slip through the facts

6:52

or this is great the jill

6:54

those to the home and at school that the he

6:57

never realized

6:58

the confederate that there would be more holes

7:00

at the homestead

7:02

martin they were teachers counselors

7:05

supervisors and security

7:07

guards administrators constantly

7:09

they're always , watching

7:12

her waiting for the kids to violate

7:14

a wolf it seems like the women's golf on

7:16

it they like ah ah must you

7:19

the remember the favour now they

7:21

would take away another privilege as you

7:23

must steps which by the

7:25

the privilege that you had to earn to even

7:27

see your parents they , have abandoned

7:29

and and now it's that city own pump

7:32

it just interferes with the process as

7:34

, thing hard to be and so the first

7:37

month is really bad said tutoring sessions of

7:39

the time is this like boot camp still

7:41

would call her mom to say i

7:44

met being home with i'm going to do that

7:46

acts and her mom with they know this

7:48

hell i'm not taking you back slowly

7:50

that getting better the company

7:53

and since it's not an all girls house

7:55

seat and started flirting with boys if

7:57

you like the boy he would walk at hand and the

8:00

administrators and request to start dating

8:03

and if they approved it you can officially be

8:05

boyfriend and girlfriend and i don't know

8:07

what that means paying out of the how

8:09

this

8:10

she did a flirty gets her parents might

8:13

have flipped out but the administrators letter day

8:16

and jill was really popular once she

8:18

put any effort to make plans for fans

8:20

are called her and i quote vets

8:23

pets

8:26

by her nicer clothes and the rest of the kids sell

8:29

are they just called her read specs

8:31

this new kill a lot of confidence third

8:34

grade stated improving says getting

8:36

along better with their parents the

8:38

really serious about a boy named

8:40

tennis the

8:42

book of a wild stories and your best

8:45

friend at the home is in jail and she

8:47

introduced the two of them she said jill

8:50

i want you to me my other son he's a guy is

8:52

a myth tennis or he's a very

8:54

as he drives a motorcycle you're gonna love

8:56

him he's i

8:58

love him she they immediately

9:01

start dating eligible

9:02

we'd be every single day you

9:04

would walk through the home and you would always see jill

9:06

kenneth in jail

9:10

you can have a little weird to think they'll feel

9:12

like a third wheel but that wasn't the case

9:14

gil and tennis the package

9:17

the ah would always blame the motorcycle

9:19

press they were

9:21

always together but he was fiercely

9:23

to science girl was dating another

9:25

guy that she wanted to marry how

9:28

faith honestly

9:30

new hobby for me hopefully i will

9:32

be attained person when day but i

9:34

won't be like you or your lot of sense

9:37

but not go this man's that's too much you can

9:39

have girlfriends know away

9:41

i did you

9:43

know what i beat

9:45

could it be worried about this little three way friendship

9:48

think , weird it's a chilling deal

9:50

looked practically identical of

9:53

i'm confused they always call the jail

9:55

jail they called gail jail and they're like what

9:57

the for his though not a huge issue notices where

10:01

you could be then i will not

10:03

be a little bit weird for the

10:05

let's talk about camp felt like i guess

10:07

in order to understand this whole love triangle

10:09

and she actually becomes important to the investigation

10:12

way later the contacts

10:14

on deals life her story is

10:17

getting , when she was just fifteen

10:19

years old her mom and dad have a heart attack

10:21

her dad remarried and are step mom made

10:23

it super clear i have no

10:25

interest in raising another woman child i

10:28

just don't i don't care that your mom died i

10:30

don't care that i'm dating your dad not

10:32

they're not like her and her dad took

10:35

the step mom's side he drove

10:37

her to the methodist home and dry

10:40

that's why keep returning a slut or that he

10:42

didn't like and not is fifteen year old

10:44

daughter so deal goes

10:46

to the home and she said opting out and very interesting

10:49

ways still lot of the kids the kids they were

10:51

sunday because they were troubled kids and the parents

10:53

couldn't handle that snow most of them

10:55

were just had a runaway muslim would make her

10:57

feel but game she would accept

11:00

i mean she would run the and whole campus

11:02

that neat clapping after

11:05

got it

11:06

mercator you cannot

11:08

science is waiting so

11:12

, wants us because of the human psyche

11:14

and minnesota's really mumps or which

11:16

is disgusting and they definitely publicly

11:19

but i'm at know like all the students they

11:21

loved her they loved being around

11:23

the which isn't good hearted percent

11:26

choose one of them

11:27

god on the campus and can

11:30

was her favorite person ever they just

11:32

click since day one accessed better

11:34

diminished a good few dates

11:37

didn't feel dizzy

11:39

three years it's like if we're going

11:41

on a date with your best said that you know

11:44

it feels like we're trying to force it to be romantic

11:46

but we're not we're just best friends

11:49

like it's weird as in the and they both agree

11:51

their friendship which is be so much better as the

11:53

wishes percent

11:55

the tight can with head over heels

11:57

for jail the that the

12:00

other three find group was born some

12:02

kids that even t kenneth that he had twin golf

12:04

fans with jilted not seem jealous

12:06

of her or even displayed any jealousy about this

12:09

it seem to work for them galen gel

12:11

even got jobs together at the texas rangers

12:13

hall of fame gift shop so the

12:16

a job out of on his way take over

12:18

the home and ask hey can we take an officer

12:20

job the weekend we

12:22

went to either side seen it please

12:25

please please the method of film allows

12:27

that they granted permission which really

12:31

imagine you think they get permission from an organization

12:33

vi kan

12:37

so that weekend

12:39

jill had so much fun see been caught

12:42

up with old friends and at the end of the weekend she

12:44

tells her mom hey i'm going to be taking the

12:46

bus back to without other i

12:48

wonder blur works

12:50

the pooper can offer you

12:52

don't have it and now when negative

12:55

i'm home what the

12:58

be and wake up by now it's always like you're passing

13:00

your devices are gone market

13:03

my the other way the

13:05

in the morning mom

13:09

don't want to go back

13:11

he knew that children and like going back to defend

13:13

itself different like i've been so many times agilent

13:16

called and plaid it pleaded with her please

13:18

don't let me back please on set me back but

13:22

it didn't the rules

13:24

or she wanted to be think know

13:28

going there was confusion

13:30

her voice so taken

13:33

aback by this she sat down and

13:35

she just went straight into mom

13:37

what's the matter honey i

13:39

, don't wanna go back back but

13:42

why would why and just sat

13:44

there and slowly cures are forming

13:46

on horizon like to a thing down her face

13:49

and nancy thought choosing punched choosing the guy because

13:51

i mean this guy because daughter something is wrong with

13:53

it

13:54

the auction mom ,

13:56

let me say i just can't go back there be

13:59

used what about

14:00

the job and you love the gift shop

14:02

and your fans in jail just

14:04

said itself are you throwing

14:06

me like i'm a dirty dish mad mom

14:09

and he just felt like a puppet show

14:11

them from being fearful to suddenly very angry

14:14

with her mom's which any is understandable

14:16

if you're that scared

14:18

yeah it's gonna be okay i'm gonna call

14:20

the home tell them that you're with me and

14:23

that pointed out that figure something and

14:26

several of family meeting and they tell

14:28

jokes you can stay with your money but

14:31

sweetie that's try one more time

14:33

and you have to understand the rules haven't changed

14:35

you have to be the one that changes the

14:38

rules the world

14:39

if you am not set to

14:41

, away i know i'm just happy to be home

14:43

and get extended to keep up my grades it's i've

14:46

been doing well so i just see to do that

14:48

here to don't worry so

14:50

they just don't even go back and get the rest of her clothes

14:52

she just stays there for there night and in

14:54

the first couple of least

14:55

the doing well she didn't get into college

14:58

but she attended like a secretarial training

15:00

school hi to work

15:02

at rips early to say so she could

15:04

say she talked about our future

15:06

and she just wanted to like excited and probably

15:09

like a smoke with finally on track potential

15:12

and and things to take a second

15:14

week she wanted to be the adult and

15:16

just get it and she needed to

15:20

she needed to put up and her

15:22

old workplace the texas and

15:25

my bad things

15:28

she wanted to break up with him see them sat down

15:30

with nancy and asked her mama what

15:33

, you dealing you love someone the uterus know

15:35

isn't good for you and , said

15:38

honey i don't know i don't think i'm the best person to

15:40

ask cause i'm divorced since

15:43

hilarious the children i'd still do

15:45

not appreciate the joke at all and

15:47

her mama

15:51

yeah well i guess all i can tell you as

15:53

you just have to use your head and follow your

15:55

heart and , two of them just

15:57

sat in the next

16:00

gender team jellies her

16:02

weight that with her friend by mean so we'll run

16:04

as not from waco she's not part of the methodist

16:06

home she's like from her hometown rights

16:09

and she's gonna she's gonna know helper running errands

16:11

get closure so nancy

16:13

her daughter having no clue that

16:15

her daughter was holding on tight lease in

16:17

her pocket a pocket knife for

16:22

the what is still so scared us what

16:24

i mean issue scared of her boyfriend tennis who

16:27

is kenneth let's talk about and sir

16:29

kenneth grew up in a quiet and and in texas

16:31

his parents had two kids

16:34

and at first everything was great richard was

16:36

the dad

16:38

he worked as a manager for a pain company

16:40

near wake up he both ends of money

16:42

like

16:43

even if he always

16:46

gone always gone trips to

16:49

show ends richard would be gone monday

16:51

through friday and every monday before

16:54

happy with fit his wife can sandra sandra

16:57

i really don't

16:59

leaving you in the kids i wish i could just stay

17:01

home live next to cuddle

17:04

with the boy said duty

17:06

calls bills need to be paid either

17:09

the go but then when

17:10

to the motel sandra would call at night and calling

17:12

calling cause any wouldn't be so

17:15

, fighting gets home and she's like why is it

17:17

that every night you don't pick up your motel

17:19

phone with the would

17:21

you mean i own a business meeting where

17:23

might you the reason other

17:26

than , would happen again next week any good at at

17:28

my car broke home so had

17:31

i had a chip away and

17:34

you know how it

17:36

and then i quit i have a late

17:38

dinner with some clients are you know decline

17:40

as ago delayed the

17:44

with it

17:48

the i knew but don't take out

17:50

there to calm down don't freak out don't

17:53

even get mad because i promised myself

17:55

that i would never do it again silly usually

17:58

the demand that i did in the first sensitive

18:00

rt learned my lesson to think i made a mistake

18:02

and i'm moving on i learned my lesson so like you don't have

18:04

the right feel anything now

18:07

i mean i guess he tried so the next time

18:09

that he was

18:11

he turned on the tv read a book in

18:13

a motel

18:15

two marines

18:19

lonely poor baby you're lonely

18:21

you are a few weeks and then he went back

18:24

to cheating on his life i mean and went on

18:26

for years in the last two years

18:28

of their marriage sandra richard tried couples

18:30

counseling but he was actively cheating

18:32

on her and she just couldn't take it anymore

18:34

she filed for divorce and richard hung

18:36

his head and said you know what team

18:39

and twenty so they don't want to the guess

18:42

it's not a bad person i love you sandra but

18:44

i hate hurting you but , than

18:47

that i hate being faithful more

18:49

sick so

18:51

even though their divorce is surprisingly amicable

18:54

like sandra

18:55

and that i could have ever been standard was hit really

18:58

hard he just are ready many

19:01

credit blaming himself for the parents to boy citizens

19:04

that he couldn't do anything to stop in

19:06

a lot of they can it was really funny teacher you

19:09

know how to answer is

19:10

the world only with also struggling with

19:12

dyslexia so they get a divorce

19:15

and around the time that canada has finally eleven

19:17

years old he puts doing a little bit better

19:19

like you said call says he cites

19:22

go into a specialist a thing

19:25

but it mom decides to get be married to

19:27

, man who already had a daughter evidence

19:30

on he just was pissed pissed

19:33

dad was honestly trying to be the bigger person

19:36

will not really but is the reason you get

19:38

it anyway we try to be very helpful to

19:40

be those kids this is great

19:42

look now i have a friend to

19:44

hang out with i'm gonna hang out with your sept that's

19:47

and it's good

19:48

people can say that they have two dads discovery

19:51

amazing senators ,

19:53

he's like i will never called the new guy dad so

19:55

far feel feel he just said is asking

19:57

a man standing straight

20:00

chair psych evaluation done for her son

20:03

know long guy all she

20:05

learned from it with that had and above average

20:07

i you he had some

20:09

running any a behavioral and emotional problems

20:11

so around this time she disliked

20:15

why she called her ex husband richard

20:17

and finally admitted no mom

20:19

my statement i mean over my

20:21

head i need help skis ignoring

20:23

my though it even

20:25

trying like i did can't do

20:27

it anymore i don't know how to help him

20:29

or even begin to discipline and he's

20:31

just so negative is rubbing off

20:34

on all know that i'm scared it's rubbing

20:36

off on the new has been in my new stepdaughter

20:38

and he's just not letting us be

20:40

happy the to the grady said

20:42

i think the boy just needs more structured environment

20:44

you're right he can't live like this i

20:47

, i could take him but you know how much

20:49

i travel for work as a while there's

20:51

this place and i drive by all the time and people the amazing

20:53

things about it it's called the method is home and with

20:55

know maybe we can enroll

20:57

tennessee and that's what i just i

21:00

forsee hated it he hated the structured

21:02

environment it made him on an app that more

21:04

but then slowly is

21:06

hi my name is gone into jail

21:09

tali and others that sort of the whole

21:11

wide world but let's the only found that

21:13

he had ever trusted and by his second

21:15

year in the home planet was improving your

21:17

look like using soft top into a success

21:19

story good grades

21:21

are getting better prankster

21:23

edge though so he would he would do these

21:25

high the teachers and then

21:29

everybody thought it is nice isn't it

21:31

the energy in the classrooms where he was

21:33

like it's not a bully but like you

21:35

know mother's come to flicker the

21:38

ball and was doing so well

21:40

that he actually lost his died if he could move

21:42

in with him and spend time with him and said

21:44

and richard agreed but first

21:47

he wanted to talk about tennis about something

21:49

man to man now that

21:52

he sat him down and he said son the

21:55

reason your mom and i didn't work and

21:57

got divorced with because with

22:00

the nonstop and i wouldn't stop i

22:02

refuse to change ten it's

22:04

just sit there in shock like you didn't even know how to react

22:06

steered no idea that his dad was

22:08

to blame for the breakup of the family eight

22:10

and for years he blamed his mom

22:12

he blamed his mom forgetting we married

22:14

for treating the rest of the family

22:16

like they were just nothing it's for abandoning

22:19

them for betraying the family it

22:21

has since he felt like he

22:23

saw the get offended his mom he mom

22:26

he their relationship he felt this burden

22:29

how to rp didn't know what to do with

22:32

kids the information we

22:34

are beyond the hunger and

22:36

it's new life

22:38

amazing is that is so proud of that me but

22:40

i'm a motorcycle

22:42

and then slowly it started to fall

22:44

apart that summer he had

22:46

to take some classes he to work

22:48

part time his broken

22:51

it needed repairs

22:52

the needed to work more because that can be

22:54

expenses and and the

22:57

worst part is his girlfriend

22:59

the wake of her good she

23:01

, one weekend and decided she was ever going

23:03

to come back when is that doesn't mean he's

23:06

clashed between he

23:09

got a phone call human leap

23:11

that it is try to get epithet kill

23:13

her

23:14

hey i'm in town and i was wondering if you have time

23:16

to hang out i really need to get home tonight

23:19

maybe a park we could watch the sunset

23:24

no embryo find way mean she's

23:26

coming so maybe you could being assigned to yes

23:29

, are being affected see

23:31

hangs up any called the somebody hey

23:34

bobby

23:35

want to ask if we want to go to coney park tonight

23:37

she's bringing a find are you still grounded can you can

23:40

sorry man the former they

23:43

did about for fourth of july

23:46

come on raylene vices mean

23:49

she's like a really pretty blonde girl

23:52

hi there really past has

23:54

he finds sit at home hundred

23:57

thousand you said i knew more

24:01

friends and important stuff but can i borrow your carpet

24:03

we use my motorcycle is broken i need to meet

24:05

her at the park where

24:07

, just invite the goals over to our house instead

24:10

you can sit by the pool or the club room remember

24:12

where you had your ask

24:16

to the but

24:19

you have to you have so be

24:25

, to me up so i your

24:27

i am harm as i say this is the last

24:30

conversation that tennis with have with as

24:32

you'd never saw the the only

24:34

part is a beautiful place or sunsets it was one

24:36

of those arms it's like there's

24:38

like half like half public parks around the sure those

24:40

shorelines of like waco and

24:43

tony parker then teams would go hang

24:45

out but some

24:47

parts were really quiet they have these congress

24:50

the bench

24:51

and just soak into view

24:53

you could even camp there that midnight

24:56

richard takes one look at us

24:58

ukraine and , late

25:00

i got a me is assessor as six

25:02

pm eighth ave

25:06

whoa whoa

25:10

but while this wow there's no use waiting

25:13

at moussa which it goes to bed but

25:15

he not only that but

25:17

he did not sleeping on he drowns himself

25:19

out of bad goes to ken's room is empty

25:22

again vincent and kinda

25:24

sad all night since he misspoke you already

25:26

his already his simply going back nate i'm

25:29

already late the assistant so

25:31

responsible lately

25:33

that he wasn't going to be home a curfew cannot made

25:35

it a habit of calling his dad letting

25:37

him know where to

25:41

, days days then flan

25:44

richards anger turned into anxiety

25:46

and it's better to boil over ten was still

25:48

not home they get stressed

25:50

he rushes to pony park patrick

25:53

right and it's pitch black it

25:55

was barely any lights on and with your twelve

25:57

and drove around and isa know side of really

25:59

anyone ready teenagers but it just

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no hungry outlaw and well and which

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27:15

takes care of for us to do

27:25

now during a memorial day sale six thousand

27:27

dollars on the streets number for special was a sports

27:30

as we know mean i can only for

27:32

limited to other or remember

27:34

how

27:36

he did find a car that seem to belong to just

27:38

find it at a bumper sticker on the back

27:40

for a high school but there was no one inside

27:42

maybe they met up with mother kids and they took

27:45

one cause they , driving

27:47

around until the sun came back up and see just

27:49

thinking about the car in the parking lot see that are

27:51

going up as lockhart who drives that

27:54

the county park back to the car any start peering

27:56

inside the some the literally gets out of his head

27:58

and of inside and sixteen

28:01

the passengers the

28:03

driver pushed forward

28:06

and in the

28:07

what not make tens

28:09

, chain chain was wedged between

28:12

the seat in the bathroom and

28:14

in that moment richard new

28:16

all the anger that he felt melted away

28:20

the one thing that he taught his son is that if

28:22

you are in trouble you should always hide your teeth

28:25

no way

28:28

hide your keys i

28:30

am evidence navy the

28:33

know

28:34

find your keys enforced you to go home the

28:36

out the price hey this is i've

28:39

been you know like phones you

28:42

know headlines

28:45

the dropped on the lot of his

28:47

pocket the richard square that

28:50

him a car and left over

28:54

come home asap i will

28:56

help you he knew that he needed to call

28:58

gels parents to let them know what was going on but

29:00

you know how secrets then

29:03

you find him as a station to rain and which

29:05

is why mean father

29:07

the manpower from everything that he knows the they even get

29:10

chills mom's number they call or two

29:12

and then richard went in and

29:14

your points for all three kids

29:17

around the same time that they should is taking

29:19

out of the police he said there were two fish

29:21

in and out and having some crappy lock

29:23

beard

29:25

not any the wee hours of the money

29:27

not a single thing with found nothing

29:30

go fish was caught nothing

29:32

to , up and go home home

29:35

every time a time maybe

29:37

we should have on our time before sunset the

29:40

load of their kind they said driving through this

29:42

little short cut out gal

29:44

park know they turn into this dope mode

29:47

the hundred and twenty feet the taliban

29:50

a book about

29:50

the can i be applied stretched

29:52

out onto the dirt path in the fisherman stop

29:55

the car it's i mean it's think this part of part little

29:57

weird they sit in the classroom minutes

30:00

he looked up the car break parapets

30:02

limited sit there together like putting others

30:06

it's uncertain future okay

30:08

it's gotta be a prank it

30:11

, like body that doesn't it get

30:13

exactly like a pain like a mannequin mannequin

30:17

fifth thirty it is i

30:19

mean babbled i since he

30:22

got on top of get

30:26

they open their doors and they walked towards the

30:28

cloak dummy that's cloak big proponent of

30:30

them

30:31

and the figure was laying beneath a small tree and it looks

30:33

like a young man oh , is it

30:36

is i put on his shirt he's a good

30:38

you need me that

30:40

is having his eyes in a white bandana if

30:43

hands

30:44

the pack was you that says oh

30:46

my god it's a real percent of the body so

30:48

the personally run back to their car they

30:50

drive and a

30:52

talent we found

30:54

the a quaker we need to go where the

30:57

surface not seeking out easy out

30:59

as as of july in texas the body is

31:01

just an old fisherman the

31:04

you need

31:06

it's a similar to do is also seen any

31:08

power july

31:10

in texas no

31:13

much sun exposure maybe even dehydration

31:16

calmly walked out with the money that i lead

31:18

the way would have even if it is an

31:20

old fisherman i have issues clinton

31:23

know what the com this is about but

31:25

his whole attitude apparently changed when he

31:27

got to the bodies it with not as an older

31:29

sister men which like how is that okay anyway

31:32

it was other

31:33

the boy it was clear that he had been stabbed

31:36

god and heightened it

31:38

was clearly was homicide he

31:40

called for backup but in this small town

31:42

where it had gotten around so all done this

31:46

go a constable of the german tv

31:48

reporters park employees kids just

31:50

kids in their pants were showing up to see what the hell was

31:52

going on it was a circus the

31:54

police were trying to secure the scene and also

31:56

survey the rest of the area and they found

31:58

that new the body know

32:02

then i knew

32:04

the young girl she had she had of red

32:06

and white cloth tied around her mouth try

32:09

to and her ankle and city

32:12

i'm just a few feet from her with another nude

32:15

body md and

32:17

her body within the worse condition she had been

32:19

stabbed more it was a very bloody scene

32:22

her throat had been caught as well he

32:25

remained in cause they've

32:28

to run their rooms searching the

32:30

following up on the thing is desperately looking for

32:32

their kids anticipating that one

32:34

phone call i would tell them hey there meanwhile

32:38

the police rush three bodies to get

32:40

a seat century

32:43

, do at this is getting these

32:45

are these bodies of tennis will mean

32:47

engine so the market examiner

32:49

sided with tennis and dad's

32:51

he had k s tattooed on

32:53

his own said slip and stop twenty times

32:56

and cut from the chest on the neck part

32:58

of the star boons were in his heart books of

33:00

them in his lungs to punctured the liver

33:03

themselves would have been fatal to

33:06

finish your partner with get a flu a superficial

33:08

wounds as them to treaty that it could be

33:11

seen , an accident know the

33:13

theory deliberate someone wanted to torture

33:16

him before he died the next body

33:18

with gel montgomery's the doctor settlers

33:21

clear that she had been sexually assaulted she

33:23

had struggled had great deal like she fought

33:25

for her life there were parts on her

33:27

right hand her right even after

33:29

escaping all the wounds that was no piano that

33:31

the the point

33:35

nine innings the chair sliver almonds

33:38

she had five cats across her chest and

33:41

and also indicated that the tortured

33:44

rather than flake or less noble had also

33:46

been cut off her best the medical

33:48

examiner was probably desert desert by this

33:51

because she realized that none of the stab

33:53

wounds are slashes would have resulted in that none

33:55

of them were fatal not even

33:57

hesitate incident

34:00

how did she die sublet she

34:02

believed thankfully that you might have been unconscious

34:06

she probably our an anger

34:11

eleven i'm a hard

34:13

had been stabbed cause

34:15

internal damage she's also stopped

34:17

once in the throat or not have been slashed

34:19

similar to gels and they believe that factory

34:24

alarming autopsies brutal

34:26

injuries and heinous murderess having the kind

34:28

of way

34:29

the to the victims they demanded answers

34:32

unfortunately for the police there just wasn't

34:34

much evidence to go on sure

34:36

they knew they victims they try to reconfirm

34:39

in find out what happened but i mean

34:41

it with hard the idea

34:43

to they just started bouncing there

34:46

a lot of them were just selling off guys with

34:49

call it listen to this there's

34:51

an officer named

34:52

ronnie and running that

34:54

running an idiot run me

34:57

i know what happened grab coming

35:00

down and i'm telling you he's strange i

35:02

think he could be a potential se or

35:05

, would just add to a suspect were

35:08

you always have them here in a ponytail i mean

35:10

the guys in his forties or thirty some tonight

35:12

and in orbital i think she's an insert

35:14

our word word the argument

35:17

if you could even call it arguments that idiotic

35:19

at best and you picked can you believe this

35:21

principally system can you believe

35:23

any to take the money is really something else and

35:25

you can be very frustrating and this investigation

35:28

so earlier that day know that the day before

35:30

that murders had gone to the county clerk's

35:33

office and the receptionist

35:34

the mechanics and current all that

35:37

i'm , the runny runny

35:40

never actually i think all

35:45

kinds of things i'm all little

35:47

nervous to tell you this but i know that this can tell

35:50

you because i'm getting offended you your

35:52

concern

35:54

you don't know that i'm not crazy about

35:56

because you know went on to the you the dallas

35:58

police department automatic grogan case

36:01

why did so i mean it's the dallas police

36:03

department think that i'm though know

36:06

something's gonna have experienced

36:08

right an untenable and you know to the thing and crazy

36:10

night what it is

36:13

tell me i'm not gonna think you're casey

36:15

the illusion seduces

36:18

, the murders were found at

36:21

okay diversify anything it the news to for

36:23

the police have a new about the lately though murders

36:25

it was like the day of the murder

36:27

percent anyway

36:29

the had a out of this away

36:32

, so i mean i

36:34

sitting alone my living room right and right have

36:36

the on and i guess i just

36:38

the couch and a out of nowhere

36:40

i popped up like i literally shot

36:42

up and i was a pup i was up an alert

36:45

and i checked my watches eight forty five pm

36:48

explanations i have efficient switches

36:50

like a cz doesn't approve such sits

36:52

up suits the for me it was a car

36:55

still does the movie

36:57

they react to a body of water i

36:59

didn't know anyone in the parts as

37:02

up so much anxiety i thought this

37:04

sudden rush of like what is going

37:06

on the television get going

37:08

i saw the car moving down the

37:10

it look like he was near a break it felt like

37:12

i was no longer in my living room but instead i

37:14

was literally in the car or

37:17

is it felt like felt like floating near the i

37:19

was watching what within the care but

37:21

i didn't have a body becomes the

37:27

the car and or three different guys

37:30

they were strangers to me i even

37:33

where the car was going it was all new to me i don't the

37:36

funny the go in a fancy with it the

37:39

really pretty ladies don't

37:42

care , i go airside

37:44

there was airside there driver and he had this take

37:46

his shoulder length hair and a mustache and huge

37:49

is laughing you get casey

37:51

who was like listening to that several laughing

37:54

and it wasn't funny nothing was funny know

37:57

any any of it he had

37:59

a median

38:00

and and about the two or three more people

38:02

to guys and one of them eyes widen

38:04

the other one listens and anyway advisor

38:07

the back

38:09

no evil they were drinking beers

38:12

or the car was speeding deeper and

38:14

be

38:14

the into the with in i just felt

38:17

like something evil was happening since

38:19

it i'm , division was only just

38:21

getting more intense and i know that you might

38:23

think that i'm crazy but trust me me

38:25

been having these visions and over the years old

38:28

today of he the first time

38:30

the stream that first car hit of put

38:33

a road in front of our house like a little the her post

38:35

the driver the mob happy

38:37

and the chi soo than the next

38:39

eating lunch with my family and i hear this big boom

38:42

sounded like a crush the like that russia

38:45

men crashed into the tree so

38:47

yeah that my family because they caught the guy out

38:49

and i'm like get the dog to get the dog and

38:53

what about i am i gonna buy photo

38:57

the there's a puppy

38:59

some i got book any working found a

39:01

soothing will

39:03

holding the need to seek he took

39:05

the dog has any meaning

39:07

many artists you know that little

39:09

dog with in the car

39:12

i just said the man on i

39:14

had more visions year and that's my

39:16

friends and family they all believe me and they cause it's

39:18

a little psychic but i guess if he attempted

39:21

to hone in on any of this like their profit off

39:23

of it in fact i really hate most professional

39:25

psychics i feel

39:26

people don't something that you can control

39:29

honeymoon but i grew up and i got married

39:31

right i moved to georgia did you know that

39:34

and into alternative to the that and is in georgia

39:36

with my first husband and patronize listens

39:38

to the turn it with his vision's

39:41

about me or it's things directly connect

39:43

me anymore i know i said seen

39:45

kang scenes

39:46

the i started seeing this young black had been

39:49

murdered in atlanta and i saw

39:51

the area's really familiar to me but i

39:53

don't live anywhere near atlanta i mean i lived

39:55

in the rural parts of torch as i call my sister

39:57

who lives in atlanta is at stake

40:00

we're going to sounds crazy but recently with that

40:02

little boy murdered maybe in his

40:04

early teens with he lured into a car and than

40:06

senselessly murdered in a brutal with

40:09

oh my god how did you know it's been over the news

40:11

there's going to be to moisten few more murders

40:14

the bodies are going to be near each other and near a lake

40:17

during a decision that i know it's do maybe

40:19

i'm wrong i would i hope i'm wrong but please just

40:22

let me know if you hear anything else

40:24

the be repaid a second instead turned

40:27

sister called

40:30

the paper that two kids the a sound

40:32

off of the lake road

40:35

the my fourteen and never found a hundred yards

40:38

away from each other

40:39

what began the war that would later be known

40:41

as the atlanta child murder

40:44

knowing i could drive and telling her about my visions

40:47

she knew where kids had been killed or that in it

40:49

be seen she would know their ages education

40:52

and she said that she had no idea she wasn't gonna pick

40:54

army of this living a nightmare

40:57

and she don't know what to do

40:59

gary that she called the atlanta police department and

41:01

suggested that they work with current help solve

41:03

the murders and the police up getting

41:06

a fourth you were not working with no psychic

41:09

the can said that she saw the killer of

41:11

isn't use a vietnam veteran

41:13

who is an outpatient that the a lot of veterans

41:15

hospital he had seen several of his comrades

41:17

get killed by vietnamese children business

41:20

yet during the day or more a lot of kids were

41:22

forced to fight and would have the flashbacks

41:24

these moments and normally has a very

41:26

calm laid back well like patient

41:29

guy that but he would buy soda kids

41:32

he would go on a mission to set out and find them

41:34

and kill them to get his revenge

41:37

where he'd military police uniform and tell the

41:39

kids that is a police officer and lord kids

41:41

and kill them

41:42

all day every day all turned it was wake

41:45

up and write down her visions she was obsessed

41:47

over the atlanta child murders and in a pretty huge

41:49

strain on her marriage it got so bad

41:52

that they got a divorce and this kind of woke

41:54

up she knew that she had a put some distance

41:56

between her in the murders and move

41:58

on with her life they they try to the

42:00

he moved to texas to get a fresh start

42:03

two years later wayne williams was

42:05

convicted of the murder of two young black children

42:07

in atlanta

42:09

even though his murders of the children were very

42:11

different from the atlanta child murders the police were

42:13

like yeah we know it doesn't make sense

42:15

but if you don't think about it at all it makes

42:17

a lot of the we copy here

42:19

killer we excel at our job

42:21

and everyone can conduct

42:24

with my commence i mean if nobody else

42:26

is that convince see that provision states

42:29

he doesn't like her life a change publishes terrified

42:32

she hated violence is it a be frozen

42:34

and she promises are never to get him thus

42:36

again as yet another reason she would never

42:38

tell anyone about it and she would just try

42:40

to move on that night july

42:42

thirteenth said division

42:45

you could even see the particular weighing in the car

42:47

she could sell that a boy she another name but

42:49

it was kenneth had recently watched

42:51

his hair and the girl the pretty brunette she

42:53

had three wings on hand and one of those wings

42:56

was a gift from the boy she just knew it the

42:58

other younger to blonde was wearing this heavy

43:00

perfume and it's actually that almost smell

43:02

it during a visit the three of them

43:04

were sitting on a concrete people in the park and

43:07

it was clear that the pretty brunette and the boy they

43:09

like each other and then

43:11

we more people

43:12

hold up to them and they started talking it seems

43:14

like he knew each other

43:16

the driver was about five nine he will take

43:18

you to wieghtlifters and because he didn't have a shirt

43:20

and or shoes and he was drinking beer and was clear that

43:22

he was pretty high the boy tennis immediately

43:25

resumes since he started introducing

43:27

to the driver to the girls

43:29

i work of name and division i heard the name

43:32

is gail no day

43:35

and then division

43:37

then a little while later that they

43:39

were all in the same car and the

43:41

when i wanted to get into the back to the driver insisted

43:44

that she said in the sense of him i mean a strange she

43:46

didn't know any of them and it just felt like she was watching

43:48

strangers which she knew something

43:51

very very evil something very very bad

43:53

was gonna happen

43:54

i'm telling you running of is weird and the guy

43:56

left to go to another part and instead of making it's

43:58

way into the wooded area then out of nowhere

44:01

the boy one of the boys in the back leaned over

44:03

and stabbed the nice boy

44:06

i felt a chill go down my spine the

44:08

driver stopped and the two men pulled

44:11

the boy out the cars let his body gold member

44:13

on the road to tighten up the pretty

44:15

printer try to make a run for it's stumbling

44:17

on the branches in the dark the driver

44:19

caught up to rs shut up against

44:22

a huge oak tree tore off her clothes

44:24

and the two guys were laughing while they drive to about

44:26

to the car the division

44:29

it started with that would this on the other guy from

44:31

the back seat was driving the was dragging

44:33

the blonde girl out of the car with the most her throat

44:36

the boys a nice boy was forced to watch

44:38

as his friends were and

44:42

activision with were saying you don't even understand

44:45

it was a paralyzing sequence of violence and

44:47

sexual abuse when they return

44:50

the guy took a rings and the blonde girls finger

44:52

any slipped into his pockets as

44:54

a souvenir

44:57

division had thing that can would see the

44:59

two men urinating in the like and then throw

45:01

something and that supervision lasted

45:03

for three hours and have felt like she was living

45:05

a nightmare for three hours to

45:07

was shaking terrified full of anxiety

45:10

but it can't be true right i

45:12

mean she doesn't even know where this took place

45:14

how would you even call the police did

45:17

it even happened wasn't going to happen that

45:19

are already have maybe ten years ago

45:22

you pray that it was all a nightmare he

45:24

knew but she knew deep in her bones

45:27

hum where this happen to someone

45:30

the next day she woke up and she scanned every single

45:32

paper she could get our hands and that

45:34

morning and there was no news of the time she

45:36

goes to work and she tells ronnie everything

45:39

about her vision the nigger before

45:41

you know the police found out about the murders so

45:43

she looks at her you cheeky

45:46

smith the that have passed

45:48

since it's got done telling a story and she waited

45:50

and he says smiling

45:52

okay she knew where this is telling

45:54

running a smiling and thrown away that made her feel like

45:56

you're crazy

45:59

i'll i'll look into that

46:01

many that the told her that

46:04

if he saw any signs of her visions

46:06

and he would help any sort of investigation he

46:08

would call her

46:09

something important to note about to take the money is that

46:11

he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed for one

46:13

best i had absolutely no social cues

46:16

at all whatsoever so after

46:18

the news of the murders broke he ran into

46:20

nancy chills mom at the grocery store

46:22

and he told her i'm so sorry for

46:24

your by some it's i'm personally involved

46:26

in the investigation and i will happen nothing

46:29

until you get justice i will

46:31

pay you one thing your daughter was a fighter

46:35

where do you mean i mean we heard

46:37

in the office at her fingers were severed because she was

46:39

fighting so hard for her life i also

46:41

heard it took a long time

46:43

to die so she really liked till

46:45

her last breath i mean you really had a fighter

46:48

maybe felt like she was going to faint she broke

46:51

down into tears you when i had a sore and

46:53

one he said and southlake we whatever

46:55

i say was so mad and that

46:58

the guy , doesn't he can seriously

47:00

was honestly to pull out a little blue side

47:03

note another key thing that happened with another

47:06

psychic called during the theory high

47:08

profile lake waco murder investigation

47:10

and she said that she had visions of the murders and

47:12

divisions were eerily similar to

47:14

game ends with the driver how it

47:16

happened the lakes the only difference

47:18

was that she said she thought she'll get stabbed

47:20

in the car first meanwhile turns

47:23

out kenneth get stabbed in the car first but

47:25

everything else but mean was pretty

47:27

much the same might have some inconsequential details

47:30

that kind of creepy know

47:31

now i mean the police do not take it seriously

47:34

and i can't even get mad at them for this the

47:36

police kind of ignored and they moved on to other

47:38

these which they had plenty of they were getting

47:40

a hundreds of calls every single day but

47:43

they were

47:44

how severely disorganized the waco police

47:46

department just didn't have assistance

47:48

and sometimes it would be to investigators investigating

47:51

the same leads three four five times

47:53

separately they just had no way of

47:55

knowing what at each other we're working on sometimes

47:58

event that no leads we're getting to admit

48:00

to meet we're going completely unchecked the

48:03

the team on this case you know there were a couple different

48:05

officers and the head of the case

48:07

my then decide to put an end to the as inefficiencies

48:10

he said that he had his team read the reports being

48:12

filed on a daily basis so that they

48:14

knew everything i was going on states team

48:16

of getting smaller due to less funding but he couldn't

48:18

a decade with a better working

48:20

oiled machine have a t

48:23

within a few months they still had no some suspects

48:26

the team is losing hope more to take

48:28

a sudden working in other cases they stopped

48:30

reading the case or third and then to

48:32

talk to folks and hooked on the case with detective

48:35

truman famous

48:37

the truman purely out of his own personal

48:39

interests he is is one of those people that couldn't

48:41

go to sleep at night without checking the boxes

48:43

answering the questions and he was a curious

48:45

percent in september he read the updated

48:48

case reports which by the way none of his other colleagues

48:50

seem to be reading and the word slapped him

48:52

in the face enrollment not the by thought of hence

48:54

case suspend dead

48:57

what the heck roman and fifty two days

48:59

since the case even opened a triple homicide

49:02

and less than two months is investigating has been

49:04

suspended the didn't

49:06

make sense

49:08

you know this wasn't good because the only way they suspended

49:10

casey get solved at this point with

49:12

someone walked into the station and gave a full

49:14

confession

49:15

many people don't get funding they don't get a

49:17

temp since they don't get manpower he was

49:19

going to the filing cabinet and be forgotten

49:21

along with all the other suspended unsolved

49:24

case it

49:25

but how do you do figure three teenagers

49:27

that ended up murdered by the lake

49:29

that doesn't make sense say picks

49:31

up the phone and he pauses boss and he said i

49:33

want to overstep the decline

49:36

these king gave ,

49:38

to shouldn't and i

49:40

think that think can that i page the investigation

49:42

i think that they would be very helpful

49:45

i will kill the the rest my case works i just

49:48

want to get the

49:49

herman with known for having a really good that

49:52

like us is known for having beautiful instance

49:55

in the ball anyone

49:57

can have for this case is going to be

49:59

true

50:00

and you know what you mean i was actually wondering how

50:02

long it would be before you call the about this the

50:05

yeah work on it on your free time he

50:07

was given the go ahead and he started going over the

50:09

case files one report immediately

50:12

set up tents someone had reported a man

50:14

named money or snap money or had

50:16

owned store across a methodist don't like little

50:19

grocery shops and he hated kenneth

50:21

he threatened kenneth at one point so

50:23

many years as guys in his early twenty three

50:25

variants it very ambitious by the way

50:28

he talked about how the so it's just the start

50:30

he would eventually have like a video game will

50:33

like a pc been situation and

50:35

you know he would have some of the most popular games

50:38

get a business partner those already helping and lisette

50:41

coincidentally though his business partner

50:43

used to be a former police officer named willy

50:45

clinton that you trim

50:47

and interviewed willie the business partner

50:49

and william added that money i had talked

50:51

about lake waco markers and he straight

50:54

up started laughing about and news it was weird

50:56

he said money i was happy that kenneth was killed

50:58

and said that he got what he deserved and he had

51:01

it coming

51:02

many also mentioned that he knew the two girls that were

51:04

killed state come into the store the day that

51:06

they were murdered but you know one thing

51:08

to know about this guy is that he was making

51:10

outrageous statements many he does

51:12

it does it ever does he was getting attention

51:14

in that way

51:16

the truman moved on anyone to interview

51:18

a guy named bobby remember the senate

51:20

tenet with supposed to go into the part that is grounded

51:24

to defend that yeah well i mean

51:26

he knew the severity of the situation the would have died

51:28

if he had been here since he's interviewing

51:30

a true man and he's likely what's going on

51:32

why are you asking me about me about named the near are

51:35

you seriously thinking that would be do that runs the store

51:37

by the methodist home coconut i mean

51:39

he hated kenneth robert speaking of pulled

51:41

something like that

51:43

the guy couldn't even know with his way out

51:45

of a paper bag tennis would have loved

51:47

to get into a fight with am honestly kicked his ass

51:50

remember that why would they have wanted to get into a fight

51:53

move it cannot be staying in out something to do

51:55

with gal one of ten percent or

51:57

know much but having money or had the hots or her

51:59

some and can ah be able to create he

52:02

did to say they come in and can you

52:04

make an innocent and then you'd make racial

52:06

jokes and hand and we're going to have your cravings

52:08

i put i was not booze no

52:10

way with money or have been described as good as his own

52:12

shadow you really need

52:14

something to do with murder i don't

52:16

know bobby for we do have a lot of names or less and

52:19

we're just gonna check them all out

52:20

herman found out that money or himself was probably

52:22

incapable of committing such a gruesome murder

52:25

excuse a bit more on the pathetic site that

52:27

which room and said so for example

52:29

he was obsessive gail and he would give skill

52:31

and higher bags of marijuana and at first

52:33

he would say i will give you this bag of seaweed

52:36

if you give me a kiss now

52:39

what about a kiss on the cheek now

52:42

how about a handset sure

52:46

then he shook my hand and gave her a

52:48

bag of weed the at it as picking

52:50

up my mom puppet and disappointment and are

52:52

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the i completely forgot what it looks like to someone lads

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mobs she gets into course immediately

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she's yelling and me to pull over oh my

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that mother calm down it's not

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friends without the our best beans

55:50

the operated by jail her own apartment

55:52

and give her job at the stores and she asked

55:54

if she had to sleep with him in exchange for that and

55:57

he said what know you need to worry

55:59

about me

56:00

i can't even get it up

56:01

then he would take her shopping and butter all sorts

56:04

of things are her new apartment

56:06

all courtesy of money earth and

56:08

deal moved in and excited he invited

56:10

kenneth over to a new fancy apartments

56:13

and was there on the floor talking money or

56:15

stop by unannounced and he was pissed

56:17

his entire face went bad and he told guess

56:20

i'll talk to about this later and he slammed the door

56:22

said he lived out of the parking lot

56:24

and deal was so terrified she

56:26

had kenneth help had passing things

56:28

up and she moved at the same day the

56:31

night club must be

56:33

them afterwards calendar moving in with a friend

56:36

and after the murders took place

56:38

she came home to have her apartment broken into

56:41

multiple times the first time she's a

56:43

topic is nothing was taken but something

56:45

strange happened in the kitchen all

56:47

the nice were taken out of the drawer

56:49

and remains on the countertop in about from

56:51

smallest to largest it was very

56:54

pp they need to

56:56

deny over the need why

56:58

we must do this for will get you know

57:01

the believe they can't they just wanted to grill

57:03

gail about her murdered friends they said i

57:05

was that they take anything and you get her

57:07

what are we gonna do about it the also

57:10

reported that one day she went to a seven eleven

57:12

and patty her fund was waiting in the

57:14

clock

57:15

the oh sees that you guys are leaned up against

57:17

or kind one of them says hey what's

57:19

that like to be alive at eighteen

57:22

and she she knew this guy he hung out

57:24

with manila books was his name was

57:26

it like deal the

57:28

gave him the the like david

57:32

something like i

57:34

didn't know he went by there was his nickname

57:37

silly i think you're always on earth

57:39

she's chile built his nickname set

57:41

his nickname there's you telling

57:44

me to the plate

57:45

then i said out why would you mean how does it

57:47

feel to be alive at eighteen oh

57:49

nothing forget it forget it uses had a birthday

57:52

i'm only seventeen we

57:54

want to party with me now

57:57

how or why does that maybe since money wasn't

57:59

getting any uma i could have small logo

58:02

the are brought into the car and drove off produce

58:04

a terrifying experience anyway

58:07

that can be near and is other shady dealings

58:09

a one point he asked his desk and

58:12

david span

58:14

that is powerful political haven't

58:17

changed not too into the both

58:19

of money and father's capable of the gruesome triple

58:21

homicide but go that spawns

58:24

who goes by silly

58:26

might have been used very scary guy let

58:28

me explain to go from the method as

58:30

hell named linda had gone on a date with

58:32

chile after the lake waco murders

58:35

i mean she does not to go to do with the guiding silly

58:37

but her friend was going on a date with

58:39

silly spend into that are just calmly getting

58:41

to be a guy there for you and it happened to be freaking

58:44

shelley's he picks them up while

58:46

drinking a ton of years while driving

58:48

he drove to pick up leases or the find the

58:51

old you have to the parts together and while he's

58:53

drinking beer leases hand and the

58:55

others i go off suits disagree with them and

58:57

starting to get back in the park anything

59:01

he continued where you can the

59:03

sunglasses off pretty tight outside

59:06

there he doesn't want you to see his eyes republicans

59:09

are percent

59:12

he but it's getting dark here i am i can i think

59:14

we should go back home

59:15

why i just only the words

59:18

it's too similar to a place where my friends were killed

59:20

recently in chile laughed put

59:22

his arm around her and said you wanna go into

59:24

the leds the chili or protects you

59:26

ain't nothing gonna happen here when you a chilly

59:29

i mean it's just i think in the third person

59:32

to is it's creeping around no

59:34

i'm not really the woods that anyone one tiny skinny

59:36

he is a to die or something you fate of the reaper

59:39

you shouldn't be afraid to die nobody

59:41

should be

59:41

today know don't actually a beer

59:44

from the cool no i'm not your servant

59:46

then he grabbed her by the i pulled her close and

59:49

said get chilly a beer

59:51

then without a word he kissed her and said to

59:53

fondle hash and she started trying to pull

59:56

away and he said he read

59:58

it here sure will

1:00:00

be nice to you

1:00:02

the kids are against and at this point

1:00:04

her discomfort and unease just straight

1:00:06

up turned into feel for her life afterwards

1:00:09

everyone suggested that they all hang out at

1:00:11

shelley's place linda did

1:00:13

not want to go her friend is not go code

1:00:16

by now but there was no way for her to say

1:00:18

no and melinda gates to to with me

1:00:20

she treated casually be leo she's

1:00:22

i'm gonna go get some

1:00:25

any blocks has anything to the walking

1:00:27

in a he said you cannot be too

1:00:30

the new radically tippett the blade on her chest

1:00:33

sherry will be nice to you

1:00:35

the third circling her nipples at the point of

1:00:37

the nice and he calmly walked to the front

1:00:39

door locked it grabbed her by the

1:00:41

hair slapped around through hands

1:00:44

of the bad and said you're going to get

1:00:46

some fit

1:00:48

then proceeded to undress has she started

1:00:50

screaming please leave me alone like please let me

1:00:52

go if it's if you don't you're going to get an a lot of top

1:00:54

all

1:00:55

the roster and he said you stupid chili's

1:00:58

are ready in ready lot of trouble then

1:01:01

he proceeded to

1:01:03

there were bite marks oliver his shoulders and been

1:01:05

slashed by ha and

1:01:07

it took her days steven telephone what

1:01:09

happened

1:01:11

so this is david spence aka

1:01:13

chile and within until then later so

1:01:15

anyways many all evil

1:01:17

go back into galvao him he political

1:01:20

got to the movies with our front party this

1:01:22

party this that matters and i'm

1:01:24

watching the movies that was like a really grissom horror movie

1:01:27

just autumn of dying everywhere blood everywhere

1:01:29

deal with what goes out she needed to leave early

1:01:31

and you thought i can't do this the whole thing reminds me too much

1:01:33

of what happened to my fence

1:01:35

money because some and so on

1:01:37

he said out loud and barely a whisper the

1:01:41

though open

1:01:44

i'm not kidding i'm

1:01:47

kidding don't the be matters is a job

1:01:50

immediately called the tactics whom and when she got home

1:01:52

which might have a he knew that yeah it's important

1:01:54

to the stories he didn't know why yet but

1:01:57

detective human believed that they'll

1:01:59

looking so did you played a paper

1:02:01

in the murders

1:02:02

you don't know why he didn't know how to make sense

1:02:04

that but it had to the internet

1:02:07

that night money was arrested for the murder of

1:02:09

tennis the police ecstatic they were

1:02:11

finally going to get some justice but

1:02:13

we're gonna stop having the public breathing down their

1:02:15

backs but there was no clear

1:02:17

logical mode at what money again from

1:02:19

killing all of that sure he hated cat

1:02:22

as but there must have been better ways to kill em what

1:02:24

are the girls have to do with any of that

1:02:26

maybe think that chill is gail because they look

1:02:28

so similar because maybe he didn't know jill

1:02:31

at all maybe you know the village you've

1:02:33

got all of us again

1:02:35

that inside a memorable he started

1:02:37

paying attention to david spend money

1:02:39

on hand and which by the way i

1:02:41

mean he didn't intend to the story football

1:02:44

side note on hand smoker grew up at the method

1:02:46

of punks he was married at this club

1:02:48

years old he was not a good husband

1:02:50

at all is a horrible father are thought to

1:02:52

that clothes and after that he just kind

1:02:54

of became an attention he started mixing

1:02:56

drugs marijuana speed has

1:02:58

alice the everything he would commit twenty

1:03:01

five dollar robberies get caught and

1:03:03

because he was so embarrassed that he got caught pursuing twenty

1:03:05

five dollars you'd bob the people are

1:03:07

united states with i'm audrey right

1:03:10

i'm hoping attempted murder charges of a police

1:03:12

officer what has

1:03:14

any better i mean this is bonkers

1:03:16

me for the david changed after president

1:03:19

regardless of what he was in for us he was

1:03:21

drinking more pretending to be the tough

1:03:23

guy he's at one time in prison he stabbed

1:03:25

another and made him ya the

1:03:28

the required as this time and honestly he

1:03:30

hung out with nobody and per that he didn't

1:03:32

have any friends

1:03:34

do you get any better you not a lot with these

1:03:36

two guys named gilbert and tony

1:03:39

melendez and it was the my and

1:03:41

as bad as they were wild these brothers

1:03:43

gilbert had been a runaway since he was sixteen

1:03:45

years old and he had a very

1:03:47

scary criminal record is charged with assault

1:03:49

with intent to murdoch he literally shot

1:03:52

someone in the head

1:03:53

you could influencing his little brother tony to start

1:03:55

committing crimes the time it'll be fine he

1:03:57

said the anyway

1:04:00

they become closer david spent on i

1:04:02

think he's a cool guy like worst

1:04:04

economic forces doesn't have much

1:04:07

time on the floor on her knees while

1:04:09

the boys watch tv she would be chained

1:04:11

to a chair with the dog least if you

1:04:13

had to use the restroom she would be forced to

1:04:15

buy get his feet and he would be nice to the

1:04:17

bathroom with the lease on all fours

1:04:20

it just felt like you have been approved still

1:04:22

me other called her a bit and senators

1:04:24

and one days cause i'm christie was putting the

1:04:27

definitely david demanded that she

1:04:29

stand up against the wall thickness it

1:04:32

the threat against the law and started

1:04:34

throwing nice at her

1:04:36

they they had to sell you the dishes and see with them

1:04:38

he had dreams of spiders crawling all over him

1:04:41

he was one for the buried and spiders

1:04:43

and he would scream for his mom's come save him but

1:04:46

she didn't really care if she's too busy getting remarried

1:04:48

he hated spiders he had a lot of fear at the

1:04:50

same time but he also you to being alone

1:04:52

i mean who's a lot like you the wanna be tough

1:04:54

guy but he had all these weird fears the

1:04:57

guys favorite hobby when he was a kid

1:04:59

with stomping on fox give

1:05:02

him bowing stray cats with a pocket yeah

1:05:05

this guy that the early nice that is terrified golf

1:05:08

and was hilarious the brothers

1:05:10

seems thrown off but they found a comical

1:05:12

whatever david was mad at his golf and he would

1:05:14

force her to sleep outside in the front yard

1:05:16

with the dog collar around her neck and

1:05:19

tied to a tree by the leash london

1:05:21

he would tie up and voice your to follow the end of the

1:05:23

ropes of he slowly joseph to

1:05:25

his house the heat you pick chasing the

1:05:27

car you to hurt her during

1:05:29

sex to climax he would bite

1:05:31

her all over her body closing her depletes

1:05:34

a lot of time she was terrified that he had the really fitness

1:05:36

her nipple during sex

1:05:38

you just want the sight of blood he wanted to make or

1:05:40

bleed it turned him on another

1:05:43

time he forced her to get naked in the living room

1:05:45

in front of the brothers so that he could have sex

1:05:47

with her he would hit her because she wasn't

1:05:49

and i quote being a good girl not

1:05:52

allow you to openly cheating on her sometimes

1:05:55

you'd bring back mistresses back home to rub

1:05:57

it in her face and that spain

1:06:00

people working at a grocery store near

1:06:02

the methodist money and and

1:06:05

mark how they that knit minute and

1:06:07

he said in a while they're having

1:06:09

his eyes on christie making sure that she was imploding

1:06:11

with other guys because he was just that

1:06:13

abusive

1:06:14

individual mccain equity side of

1:06:17

minneapolis he also noted that to the developing some

1:06:19

strange habit because of his fear of spiders

1:06:21

have a nice within spec the entire about

1:06:23

on the room looking for spiders making sure everything

1:06:26

was spiders three hundred he hated

1:06:28

him sitting on top of each loop a close

1:06:30

eye on a thief locking not alone at

1:06:33

temple i've never understood

1:06:35

what he was even saying you

1:06:37

are getting more and more terrified

1:06:39

and one day david asked to bothers to hang

1:06:41

out with him to go get some beer the

1:06:44

other than a see hanging around the lake that

1:06:47

night was delighted

1:06:49

the david is finally arrested and that's

1:06:51

what's crazy is that he actually confess to the murders

1:06:53

to his parole officer the past

1:06:55

like yeah no liberal

1:06:57

ralph nader was like

1:06:59

no went to the police and the police did

1:07:01

not take it seriously the make matters

1:07:03

worse david in the by those were being investigated

1:07:05

for a different case after the waco matters

1:07:08

because they how the guy hostage

1:07:10

and forced him to perform fellatio meant

1:07:12

sexually assaulted and and drowned him repeatedly

1:07:14

in a toilet bowl

1:07:16

the witness and the parole officer reporting

1:07:18

to replace a david better the confessor the waco murders

1:07:21

no were like maybe it has nothing

1:07:24

to do that confusing

1:07:26

know

1:07:27

the david fans get through i said and he

1:07:29

is not a sharpened he told

1:07:32

a soul mate in jail of that money or had hired

1:07:34

him and the brothers to kill tennis

1:07:36

and gail so he thought she was

1:07:39

gail and raylene just happened to

1:07:41

be there since this whole thing is

1:07:43

he's trying to say that money or was upset that

1:07:45

girl had rejected and left him with this

1:07:47

twelve month apartment me since moved

1:07:49

on with tennis so he hired

1:07:51

them to kill for both of that

1:07:54

suits or two birds one stone he never even

1:07:56

like to add up to begin with david

1:07:58

also went to tell his cellmate that the victims

1:08:01

were tied with their own shoestring one

1:08:03

of the girls browse was around her ankle

1:08:05

this is not made public police

1:08:08

are like okay this isn't the strongest evidence

1:08:10

that would definitely on to something so true

1:08:12

men be a detective that open the case

1:08:14

he starts talking today they're trying

1:08:16

us form some relationship like a buddy buddy

1:08:19

relationships and david said

1:08:22

the moment it's tells you about something but i didn't

1:08:24

want to say that i'm the person that

1:08:27

i'm talking about what we'll cover you

1:08:29

know when my kids not to wheel

1:08:32

you mean hypothetical yes

1:08:34

yes of seal hypothetically speaking

1:08:37

if it's like a dream the industry

1:08:39

this

1:08:40

the high seas himself

1:08:42

killing somebody says this guy

1:08:44

is has of the go on the floor and

1:08:46

he's on top of her he's over he

1:08:49

stopping her and i mean he just loses it it's

1:08:51

like he's not even himself anymore he says spending

1:08:53

over the hacks watching and stabbing

1:08:55

and it feels like he's not even doing the

1:08:57

killing it's crazy right

1:09:00

wouldn't that be crazy if someone says

1:09:02

something like that like would he be considered insane

1:09:05

they did i would say that there's definitely something

1:09:07

wrong with that someone

1:09:09

i mean you tell the person like that you know when

1:09:11

i had to put that down an alley stopping hurts

1:09:14

like that

1:09:16

and the hypothetical to the first percent

1:09:19

and then he had the conversation short

1:09:21

truman with says decided to go talk to

1:09:23

david's mom and just like have a conversation with

1:09:25

tax and during that time period he

1:09:27

perceived around a david place and found

1:09:29

a watch with a little piece of dried blood

1:09:32

on it the once belonged to jail montgomery

1:09:34

but because humans in of a search warrant any went

1:09:36

in there wanting to talk to do that's mom it wouldn't

1:09:38

be admissible in court and then day

1:09:40

that went to trial for sexual abuse charge

1:09:42

against yanni powers to this is the guy

1:09:44

that he held hostage and drowned in the toilet bowl

1:09:46

so gilbert he pled guilty

1:09:49

and got a seven year said the right yes

1:09:51

i assaulted am and i drown him in the toilet

1:09:53

bowl after that yoga

1:09:55

is that

1:09:56

you ready to compare saw the murder he thought you know

1:09:58

what since i'm out

1:10:00

departing from the mighty going to place an

1:10:02

absence of already it's hard to deal with all

1:10:04

of this trial nonsense and everybody's

1:10:06

saying that i'm gonna get a real time for this

1:10:08

i just want to consult

1:10:10

global hopeful that means

1:10:12

to his younger brother tony consulting

1:10:14

and there is a little bit of discomfort see in both

1:10:17

of their stories mainly because gilbert

1:10:19

is trying to protect his younger brother tony

1:10:21

they were county gilbert and money or

1:10:23

were all indicted for three counts of capital

1:10:25

murder i think the infuriating part

1:10:27

in all this is that this is his associates

1:10:30

or the police that i mean be really miss

1:10:32

handle this case how do you even not

1:10:34

do your job to this degrees

1:10:36

it's baffling sir tony was arrested

1:10:38

and he starts singing like a tweety bird

1:10:41

see immediately confessed and he said you

1:10:43

know i was there i was there the night of the klein's

1:10:45

we were all drinking we started looking for logs

1:10:48

and you know there were no dealers that were home

1:10:50

soon so we smoked pot drove around

1:10:52

it the monitor go to the point

1:10:55

david wanna go to the park any money to

1:10:57

buy more be a while they were headed out there since

1:10:59

then he gave him a see these two

1:11:01

girls and boys picnicking epidemic at

1:11:03

noon

1:11:05

doing it then the brothers have no idea if he

1:11:07

knows these people who are these people nothing

1:11:09

the brothers have never met these people anyway

1:11:12

david said the

1:11:14

the original and i told you later that the one

1:11:16

that ripped off many i that girl of it as

1:11:19

the car

1:11:20

there were like okay well what he wanted to

1:11:22

do about it i don't think we should go over there and talk to

1:11:24

them than tony said that he was so

1:11:26

drunk that he had no idea what was even going on

1:11:28

he thought maybe they were going to hang out with more friends

1:11:31

maybe not he was the city for the good time

1:11:34

david walks up to the group and says hey what

1:11:36

are your options and it's got

1:11:38

up and said oh would you have in a couple

1:11:40

of beers your your david date

1:11:43

many years fine let

1:11:45

me what about this guy's

1:11:47

a dozen part in the car way they can smoke

1:11:49

some pot with i said maybe we can run to the store

1:11:52

buy more beer and was in come back and party

1:11:54

it up with a little bit hesitant

1:11:58

go home home for the world or

1:12:00

we might not be able to go

1:12:02

oh come on we will be gone from within

1:12:04

five minutes let's go

1:12:07

did they agree and they all pile into david

1:12:09

carr railing and tenants get into the back

1:12:11

with the brothers and at first jill wanted

1:12:13

to squeeze back in there but david

1:12:15

insisted you drive shotgun

1:12:17

like let's get into the passenger side i'm the driver

1:12:20

i want you in the me i is

1:12:22

so you think on in

1:12:27

david a driving them in the whole carson and

1:12:29

he turns around to gilbert and says

1:12:32

hey bro this six a really big tits

1:12:35

why yeah how about you

1:12:38

in the back seat you know tennis as nervous any

1:12:40

kind of laughing but more so like what

1:12:42

do we do this is i don't think when a good position

1:12:44

right now deal with upset

1:12:47

she still don't have to me like that

1:12:49

why we do have big cats

1:12:51

any reached over and tony said that he just

1:12:53

grabbed her by then she turns

1:12:55

going with the matter with you she slapped

1:12:57

his hand away but me how does this car does

1:13:00

not this is disaster

1:13:01

well i'm i'm not allow the poem a global

1:13:04

problem on t

1:13:05

ben tony said david park the car

1:13:08

and started pulling at her shirt and she's

1:13:10

screaming trying to get out what's wrong with you

1:13:12

leave me alone you're crazy and

1:13:14

about kenneth started reaching for it's like hey what

1:13:16

are you doing but gilbert kept fighting him back

1:13:19

and with you that he to the

1:13:22

david the and the

1:13:25

up you to

1:13:28

me what to do

1:13:29

then he started driving again when he

1:13:31

finally part gave it opened the door and

1:13:33

ordered other buddy to get out

1:13:36

the all lined up and the whole can with

1:13:38

that the brothers and david we can

1:13:40

make sure that the three teenagers did not run away

1:13:42

need looked at him and said you soon as it does i

1:13:45

say

1:13:46

am i don't even know you decide you know what

1:13:48

i don't know you are signs the

1:13:51

would seem like david genuinely thought that

1:13:53

she was jail he did they

1:13:55

look so alive keeping

1:13:58

up with can a centuries ago

1:14:00

what are you saying that a person could

1:14:02

be like oh do you just look like or maybe

1:14:04

we're thinking about somebody hours

1:14:06

that point the that pulls out a knife and tulsa

1:14:08

goes to remove their clothes and he

1:14:10

states if you don't i will kill you

1:14:13

albert tied up tennis and the girls are forced

1:14:15

to get naked while david with this maniacal

1:14:17

a law saying he started pulling a chill

1:14:20

and and he yelled at the muscle guys

1:14:22

i'm going to go into the woods with her county you watch

1:14:24

that guy and gilbert you can take the other girl

1:14:27

your workforce is very lean back into the car

1:14:29

ties rob and teaspoon and please

1:14:31

don't hurt me which to he responds

1:14:34

with ahead of on her you like i'm not like that

1:14:37

many proceeded to david

1:14:40

ordered kenneth to come

1:14:42

where he was little so that he could watches

1:14:44

golf had been forced

1:14:47

, watch the that not only the survey petra

1:14:49

her by a superficial

1:14:52

stab wounds of the site moved

1:14:54

from her class and on her now

1:14:57

when us the

1:14:59

record honey with his turn

1:15:02

up until this point it seems like tony was pretending

1:15:04

to take like the back seat and all of that he was

1:15:06

actively tying them out but i

1:15:08

guess you win as a youth like the main instigator

1:15:11

of this but this is where i start getting frustrated

1:15:13

tony said that he tried he tried to that

1:15:16

you couldn't get an erection so he gave the

1:15:20

the name david cobb tennis by the third and called

1:15:23

him a steampunk and started stabbing

1:15:25

and kenneth slumped to the ground

1:15:27

and do that no town close enough to feel

1:15:29

every time that this is what tony said that

1:15:32

david which is fascinated by the process of death

1:15:34

and he stayed there until there was no more movement

1:15:36

and ten it's beauty

1:15:38

david gilbert back to where he left chill

1:15:40

and gilbert jail as well and

1:15:42

when he was done they they got back on top

1:15:45

of jealous and said now and get to get even with

1:15:47

you and he started poking her at first

1:15:49

again torturing her with her in a nice and

1:15:51

then he started to plunge the nice deeply into

1:15:54

attacked that the way that he was doing it

1:15:56

i need so evil he said

1:15:58

he wasn't anything

1:16:00

he would stop in the chest take

1:16:02

the nice out and pause and

1:16:05

stare at her face make eye contact

1:16:07

and then stabbed her again and then pots

1:16:10

it's like he was enjoying it he wanted it to

1:16:12

last longer he wanted to make the pain and suffering

1:16:14

as long as possible that

1:16:16

was his ultimate goal kenneth

1:16:19

in jail are both dead raylene did

1:16:21

not know the sort of her since she was near the

1:16:23

car and had i mean she was terrified she

1:16:25

had just been sexually assaulted but she

1:16:27

had no idea that uncensored

1:16:29

the guy drives out of the car and david

1:16:31

said now it's your turn and started stabbing

1:16:34

her all over the chain

1:16:35

the when i thought you get a statement in electrical

1:16:38

tape and he assaulted railings corpses

1:16:40

it so easy i mean it's unclear

1:16:42

as this is like a sick twisted thing that he did

1:16:44

or if maybe he was trying to

1:16:46

get rid of dna evidence i'm not entirely

1:16:49

sure

1:16:50

they then proceeded to steal all the cash

1:16:52

on the teenagers and rose put

1:16:54

the body back into the car by the way to go

1:16:57

to another park to dispose of their bodies

1:16:59

so they want their bodies to be found so

1:17:01

close to william scott

1:17:03

they to be like oh wait are you my yeah we did go to

1:17:05

the park the we went to make keyhole

1:17:07

park or whatever but they were there

1:17:09

so we can be on

1:17:12

when they were putting homes body in the middle that

1:17:14

little small dirt road they lost at

1:17:16

how they were going to put his sunglasses that

1:17:18

then and they said and i quote man

1:17:20

begin to freak out when they signed his dude sitting

1:17:23

under that tree with his sunglasses on

1:17:25

then proceeded to tell a couple of items

1:17:27

into the local lake they do a screwdriver

1:17:30

and railings classes deal

1:17:32

but at this point so freaking out like men are

1:17:34

know what's going on i'm going to get my said and get

1:17:36

outta town i can do this anymore the recording

1:17:38

come down

1:17:40

nobody's gonna know what happened but asks their

1:17:42

dad they can't say anything that people can

1:17:44

talk we're never going to

1:17:46

talk about

1:17:48

the david goes back home to golf and christie

1:17:51

and he was drunk he slapped

1:17:53

her mom because she started asking questions like

1:17:55

where the hell were you the nat faxon

1:17:57

after i'd say the one sack out

1:18:00

with different things and he took them to

1:18:02

the same band that the teenagers had just

1:18:04

been peacefully sitting on hours ago

1:18:06

the will grow up and before you about that need a

1:18:08

separate giggling talking drinking a beer

1:18:11

not attend the world

1:18:13

that said that during the trial david

1:18:15

said keep his dental records match

1:18:17

the bite marks around the to go victims

1:18:20

sir david was found guilty on all the talents

1:18:22

of capital murder he showed

1:18:24

no emotion even when they said that is eligible

1:18:27

for the death penalty no emotions

1:18:29

psychologist stated that they the has a severe

1:18:31

personality disorder he was a sociopath

1:18:34

their outlook with graham they said in a quote there

1:18:37

is no chance at all of his

1:18:39

behavior changing for the better

1:18:40

the of your personality type is limited

1:18:42

to a very few people fortunately

1:18:45

it's got nothing to do with mental illness but

1:18:47

it is a personality disorder the

1:18:49

only change in his personality his gonna

1:18:51

be for the worse

1:18:53

no i don't see how could get worse people

1:18:55

like this act some an urge have no connection

1:18:58

to property or people they will do

1:19:00

anything to serve that urge they

1:19:02

are they're matter manipulators con

1:19:04

artists they never learned from an experience

1:19:06

or even from severe punishment we

1:19:09

believe a psychologist said david

1:19:11

even locked up in prison will be a threat to society

1:19:13

without question the with

1:19:15

that david was sentenced to death

1:19:18

you know after a while in prison david's mother was

1:19:20

brutally murdered in her own house she

1:19:23

died from a violent beating and sick irony

1:19:25

was that she would side with eight months

1:19:28

all over her body who

1:19:30

the killer they did convert them

1:19:32

will be indicted to people for her murder and

1:19:34

they said that they had nothing to do with the lake lake and learners

1:19:37

the coin the ballet

1:19:39

pled guilty in exchange for life in prison

1:19:42

and they avoided the death penalty gilbert

1:19:44

would die in prison tony would spend thirty

1:19:46

years in prison before he died and he

1:19:48

said that he spent thirty years in prison for a crime

1:19:50

he was unjustly convicted us he

1:19:53

said i wasn't a good guy but

1:19:55

didn't kill anyone paid for the

1:19:57

bad things and a dead none

1:19:59

of his public thunders you know listen to

1:20:01

not once did they encourage him to fight for his innocence

1:20:04

they just told them if you're going to trial you're going to get the death

1:20:06

penalty

1:20:07

you've got to the cops questioned him for two weeks and

1:20:09

they kept saying tell us the truth viewed that

1:20:11

as we know you did it you're gonna die

1:20:13

for it so let us help you get

1:20:15

out as well when he died in twenty

1:20:17

seventeen from bone cancer and kidney failure

1:20:20

minority with some guilty and sentenced to death

1:20:22

he spent his time on death was studying law

1:20:25

he presented his own five hour presentation

1:20:27

phrase appeal and his capital conviction

1:20:29

was overturned

1:20:31

the granted a new trial and they found him

1:20:33

not guilty

1:20:35

owning the case against and and always been pretty

1:20:37

witness heavy it there was no physical

1:20:39

evidence really i mean i guess at the allegations

1:20:42

that he was paying the guys to kill the three of

1:20:44

them but that doesn't make sense i think with

1:20:46

this money or probably has

1:20:49

the auditorium and they were there they confess to

1:20:51

it at least but many or wasn't even there

1:20:54

they are very complicated after

1:20:56

he was freed even went to vienna for the united

1:20:58

nations world conference on human rights

1:21:01

life magazine profile them in an article

1:21:03

of people who have been wrongly convicted and

1:21:05

he filed a ten million dollar lawsuit against the

1:21:07

sheriff's department and the da's office it

1:21:10

takes quite a bit of

1:21:12

the group of people think that money is absolutely

1:21:15

innocent and

1:21:16

he was of middle eastern descent with

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mentally sense the justice system of

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being racist on that while i do agree though

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that exists i wouldn't say that he's necessarily

1:21:25

make the best person in the world i

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do think i do think that there wasn't

1:21:29

enough evidence to build a solid case

1:21:31

legally speaking even it's morally

1:21:34

ethically emotionally we go to find i do think

1:21:36

they legally speaking illicit

1:21:38

canada weird case i don't think that

1:21:40

it was walk solid for sure but

1:21:42

then he was rearrested for receiving and concealing

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stolen property i think the thing is

1:21:46

money or not a great person i don't think

1:21:48

is admirable i don't think he's someone that you wanna like

1:21:50

put on posters everywhere and boycott

1:21:54

specific things and use him as like

1:21:56

the murder but i do think that the

1:22:00

right to the guys he was probably the least

1:22:02

involved

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might not even know what's going on afterwards

1:22:07

he seemed to live a normal life and he passed away from

1:22:09

cancer know there is a kind of controversy

1:22:11

of controversy this investigation was handled though

1:22:13

i mean why was it suspended and

1:22:16

then truman was under fire because the town of people came

1:22:18

forward to say that he was someone who offered you special

1:22:20

things as you testified

1:22:23

he would even feed you very specific information

1:22:25

to secure a testimony or a witness statement

1:22:27

or a confession done it was later

1:22:29

decided that the postmarks on the girls' bodies

1:22:32

were heavily debated even the original

1:22:34

medical examiner went back and said oh

1:22:36

yeah nevermind those are not leitner

1:22:39

the problem with that is i dated entire trial

1:22:41

really centered around the fact that his dental records

1:22:43

match the beat the to

1:22:45

prevent to say that they they didn't do it it's

1:22:47

not to say that the brothers and do it either or

1:22:49

that or even good people because sure

1:22:51

they could have not done it was a to

1:22:54

be the worst people in the world which and influence

1:22:56

people and he says something to think

1:22:59

i think like more is how

1:23:01

close the trick karen

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during her vision what

1:23:07

is that all about

1:23:09

i mean that's how she generally says it like this

1:23:11

is something that has been happening my entire life

1:23:13

i can't give you a reason for an explanation

1:23:15

or anything

1:23:17

they tried it because i especially i am

1:23:19

against psychics in the true crime

1:23:21

world i think psychics or grade i think

1:23:24

that there's a huge space for them and most

1:23:26

people mean very well but i the in the to

1:23:28

come world when people go missing when

1:23:30

there's not hard facts it's so sad too

1:23:33

the from an increase in the like oh don't worry your

1:23:35

daughter's gonna come back like that seems horrible that

1:23:37

into renders it's just seems speculate way that

1:23:39

this one made me rethink their whole life

1:23:42

i'm like wait a minute this doesn't even make sense

1:23:45

i wonder how much is it was and

1:23:47

of tinkled with in her memory after

1:23:49

the climb them

1:23:51

it is wrong thing like where did a story

1:23:53

come from is it from the police that guy

1:23:55

irani and they also said that i'm see

1:23:57

most of the cops was terrified of her they the

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that she's just so spooky

1:24:02

so it seems like there was some reason

1:24:04

that they were scared of her like it doesn't seem like she's

1:24:06

out of her marbles and making stuff

1:24:08

up by yourself but i wonder how much

1:24:10

of it is true of like oh this is a genuine vision

1:24:13

versus how much was added to the story

1:24:15

after the fact after the investigation

1:24:17

to i dunno make it a crazy

1:24:19

or story what are your thoughts

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and i hope you guys enjoyed this week's may not basalt

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and i will see you guys on sundays the many said

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