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the red hook daily catch
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is not just the local news site it's
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hyper local one it serves exactly
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three zip codes in town of red hook
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in the new york hudson valley the net limited
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scope gives it freedom to go deep on
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the town board the school board profiles
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local farmers a restaurant opening
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it's doors so if you scroll through
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the website you might find headline
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her field for rhinebeck park inches
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closer to spring construction but
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then this one ,
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inch closer daily catch correspondent
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declares quote i need to
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find a weapon weapon wait
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a minute new high school performing
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arts center springs to life with first
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full production through the
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darkness of war or ukrainian
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correspondent exalts and holiday
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flowers
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for women
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how did the red hook daily catch have
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ukraine correspondent
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gas from war has now arrived
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at his doorstep or ukrainian president
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right the station platform
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to be raised to train level
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why did the red hook daily catch need
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a ukraine correspondents and how
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did readers feel about these words dispatches
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tucked in and train platform
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that bees were not even
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the most interesting questions to ask but
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it is where our story begins
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though you posted
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a jar mean such just yet tell me the story
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so in december of twenty twenty one
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feeling overwhelmed with
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the mayor was placing on myself in building
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this newspaper i decided that i wanted
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an editor
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amelie sack are launched the daily catch in
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june of twenty twenty one and by that
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december she says she had more than one thousand
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subscribers and she needed help
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and i put an ad on journalism jobs
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dot com and incomes
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to my email and application
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from a man in russia or
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i thought it was russia did
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get a bunch international
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applications
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know if we got know
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international applications in fact
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specifically asked for people who knew
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the hudson valley
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he opens his application
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from a certain cabo cool yolk the forty
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four year old journalists living not in russia
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as she first thought but city of claim a tourist
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in eastern ukraine the qualifications
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were doubtful for the editor role
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he been to the hudson nor to the
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u s he didn't break or speak english
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very well and it never
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been an editor
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it he said he'd love to
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be the editor that i looking for
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not , edit the stories of
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american journalist but because he
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could generate interesting stories
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for us us his example
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of what he could offer was
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the could offer gone through the red sox
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town board
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a database
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i don't even know where he found this
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and he proposed a story with
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data on how revenue from
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dog permit licenses was down
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and he thought that would be a perfect story
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for the daily catch
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yourself right
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this guy in ukraine seem to care more about
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the microtrends of red hook in
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a lot of red hook local seem to
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i send him and know and i said thank
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you for the idea i don't think dog
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permits or
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i'm great interest to me right now
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but tell me more about
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your database skills
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emily had bigger plans for bottle than
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a story about dog permits long before
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she moved to red hook and launched the daily catch
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to spend fourteen years as a reporter it
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newsday she won an award for analyzing
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patterns of the year of new york city subway delays
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in college to study calculus and
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advanced differential equations just for fun
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the she wanted the daily catch to do more work
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with data at the time she was working on
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investigative feature about the twenty largest
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landlords in red
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i sent him a link to
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the excel spreadsheet that i had and
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i asked him if he could
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queen three things to me that
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could not make sense of the spreadsheet
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said them more fifty thousand data fields
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and less three hours
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he had the entire thing figured out
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he was filling in these really important
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holes in the data
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she paid for his work and look for other data
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stories he could help decode
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the problem self to a puzzle
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i was trying to untangle who
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he was
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and disrupt inflation and
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gregory warner
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emily wondered why this
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ukrainian guys he can set an interest
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in this little town in the new york hudson valley
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but a couple months later when russia invaded
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ukraine was emily's turns
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get curious about cobblestones
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house
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and i sent a note a powerful and inches
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said
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more about where
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you live in ukraine so began
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a partnership that would change both emily
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and pavle and this community news sites
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as emily would learn what topple was
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really looking for when he reached out
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to read
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just adds up that while
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this is a surprisingly peaceful story
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about war there is one act of violence
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than his briefly described
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warner is ever spent time in the
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section of a news article you might recognize
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this comment why should i
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care or just sometimes who cares
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any newsrooms reporters often have to
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answer that question implicit the
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justifying the story or that story choice
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the thing about local journalism
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if you care because it's there
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and your their the geography is the justification
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my role is not just that it is
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in nice if codes it's that it affects
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the zip codes
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hyper local stories for hyperlocal audience
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that was emily's formula but public curiosity
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the to challenge
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he went to the trouble
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the looking up this little
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town of ninety hundred and six
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people five hundred miles
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away from his home town was so
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endearing
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i just
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i wanted to know him i wanted to have tea with
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him
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at least you to interview him that his neck
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of the woods
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right now it was cobbled turn to be suspicious
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i ask
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can i call you can i watch sap
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you know he says we cannot why
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because he doesn't feel he english well to
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which i say no problem i'll get
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translators to with us
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no no he doesn't want to do that then
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it becomes clear he's nervous
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eventually they worked out a system emily email
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questions
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where exactly are you
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harbor would answer in russian his mother tongue
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amador
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school bus to clay and then
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he would run it through google translate and email
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it back we hired a actor to
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represent papa in english who are you? where
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i live with my wife she's
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a very patient and hard working woman
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she bakes breads at home we
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, a small of domesticated quails
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four cats and the yard dog
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what is going on for two days
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i was food and managed to by almost
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fifty kilos kilos is a curious
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to puzzles answers gillis
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every item that shortened supply and
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com and tourist there's a shortage
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breadth toilet paper potatoes
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clean water meat eggs
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milk the detail told
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the numbers and data points
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in two days i walked almost forty miles
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are you trying to get out know we
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will not evacuate are homeless
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here what sounds do you hear
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now the city's quiet the
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the most terrible sound and war
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but silence is the most terrible
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sound and war
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can i have i read it out loud
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to my husband i called a few people
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and i said my imagining things
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or is this really great thing
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is you know
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everyone loved but
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what be hurt
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not everyone
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family published part of the interviewee to served
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on february twenty six the third
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day of the war
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right away i had readers
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writing in to us
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letters
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why is the daily catch covering
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this story in ukraine
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the to the new york times leave it npr
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don't need to be in ukraine you need
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to be down at the for meeting to find
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out why the local donut shop is having so much
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trouble getting their permit
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emily new she continued to interview paavo
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for a paper she may threaten the very
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hyper local mission that she was trying to
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achieve
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a couple people said i'm not the subscribe
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any more and one person one
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we find to her recurring monthly
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five dollar donation
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on the other hand she couldn't help be
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moved at this ukrainian guy is shown
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such an interest in red life
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what emily did not know
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the getting under the skin of place with
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something that pavle had done that
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once or twice many
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many times before and you look
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at salonika to remove it so them someone who
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loves solitude and i like being home
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most of the time and put them in
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my job as a journalist allows me to find
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myself in places long
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before he met emily hobble skill
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with data analysis had landed him jobs
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with media outlets ukraine and russia
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kazakhstan and belarus he
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analyze data about real estate in housing
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trends the prevalence of hackers and u
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f o sightings happy people seem
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to be in one place for says another and
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another does it to these deep dives into
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places he the ming yan
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they will have room for me the preferred way
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to travel to have this virtual
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so when i in this virtual
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way traveled to new cd i opened
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their website and i just look at how
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people leave their whether it's a trip
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the stock sweden would say you the
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thong okay and what is that for town in california
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alice geauga such a beautiful little
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bitty town pick redone of english deport
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you ten minutes and committee reports
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and trail maps and look at their photos
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find information about their daily life
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start with their farmers market study the records
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each data points of some paint a picture
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that can inhabit followed same
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time thing invisible our
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, item is three point one one
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of retirements and imagine
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myself being one of the residence their it
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gets a little
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the in dublin subway happens
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when it's windy
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hi i'm out and
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is it magical apps
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colbert
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was move the internet makes it possible to
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travel around the world is and you can
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notice things that even the local sometimes
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don't see similar see similar
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catching saints the locals miss
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i've never spoken directly
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with pavel we've been interviewing him over the last
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few months sending him questions by email
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which he answers with voice memos that
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he makes and a cellphone and
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, a little a policy is the news which
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city of the puzzle pieces
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wood when it's recordings are interrupted by sirens
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ringing by sirens background to relocate
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find a quiet place continue
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other times he goes out just to record
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the church bells in town and
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then second home making tea with
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his wife for
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running a cold shower while his village this
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village this water hobble
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also captures the small moments of daily
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life in his answers to emily's questions
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and so a day after she published that
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first the interview with pavel family
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decided to publish a second and then the third
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i just couldn't imagine a newspaper
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even a hyper local one focused
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on screen zip codes that has nothing
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to say
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about ukraine crisis she figured
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you'd get a few more sights and sounds of
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the opening days the war but her conversations
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with bible were about to take a deep
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right away he mentioned that he
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and his wife would like to have children and
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i'm trying to have a baby is shared
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a lot of personal things with emily including
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him pretty traumatic stuff that he went through the
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tells her that when he a kid the father
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attacked his mother with a knife that
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are multiple times pobal
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witness the whole thing the mother
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lived but his dad went to prison
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and papa grew up without him the
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bullets from disagree with a stuck
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on was the last year the bulk of to
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knock on i mean and it was shortly after i
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turned ten what happened up
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a wall separated me from
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others i stopped trusting anyone
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trusting this distress created loneliness
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after his family fell apart though the
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country the soviet union
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collapsed at the end of ninety ninety one
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when kabul was a teenager he supported
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himself by cigarettes and bulk reselling
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them he could not afford to finish college
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sure for some with will also i want to be my
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best because as a child no one
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told what as good and smart boy
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you are now i have tried
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to prove that i am on
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a to myself the
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experience is shaped pavel in ways that he
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is still processing he describes himself
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as a person with a limited range of emotions
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he doesn't like crowds are big cities he
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yelled deserves for the last fifteen years
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i have practically never left com adults
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and lead in my house and take
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care of my garden center which
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emily
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was learning more and more about hobbles life
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she was also dealing with some disgruntled readers
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to don't about that's going
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on
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ukraine a day care a lot
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what's happening
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the amtrak station
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and i responded we
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will do folks we
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are not gonna ignore any
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stink locally and never
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gonna turn my back on the three
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zip codes
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emery wondered how could she get her readers
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to care about far away pavle
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hi for had we're
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going to tell the story about the in if
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people don't want to read it does skip it and
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i'll go back to the story about the local town board
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meeting
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i learned immediately
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this is this walking every third
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day six , each
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direction to the dot shock
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to see this cat cat
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as possible to record this journey for us to
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his daughter is country holes in the village
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of military com which emily
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following bible says with the russian pronunciation
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mother to mother any weight
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is cat dora lives
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there alone because he says dora
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did not get along with the other three cats that
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live in their house is all boys
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school my morning
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sort of us morning
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was upset with anything like that
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i would accept that there's this cat
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living in motor neuron
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who
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he apparently cares about the who is
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living with no human beings and doesn't
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see a human for three days at a time
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how about this badge about feeding his cat
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was published on march third a week into
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the the headline was as
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russians approaches town the cadmus
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still be said
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it was a leap of faith on my part
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that it would either feel relevant
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right away or it would become relevant
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and it became relevant very
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quickly because we got feedback from readers the
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were really interested in what gonna
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happen to the can
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the
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they write a messages the
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remains concerned about the welfare of his cat
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speaks of his humanity is
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any way to get free and take preventative
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to pavel
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i speechless by this man's vivid
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heartfelt accounts over the next
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few weeks readers retreated to more dispatches
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from daily routine the
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morning exercise out in the garden with
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his dog and his other cats i was
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learning that he spends
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a nunchucks is
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, for a weapon to protect
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himself from bandits he ends up with a toy
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gun and a screwdriver his concerns
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about explosions missile strikes
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power outages good luck purple
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and may your heart stay warm despite
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your cold showers and argument
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was scared to his wife and admission
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of frayed nerves here resilience
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is amazing pavel as
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as best as i wonder about your
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wife and your country often to
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the reader is the answer their questions bush
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a civil me up a level most the well i like
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answering their questions about my garden
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have of garden is really important
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to has he does some form
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of that's just a spiraling which also
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a topic of great interest here and redhawks
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so that's another connective piece of connective ensure
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lasagna one of which norway me norway
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slumps and sixty three
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wish i could send you a hug
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the have several in our yard with
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you by the me up provoked i and
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i still use watering can
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at it is
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the first story i read apostles was the one
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about him walking six miles to the doctor defeatist
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cat brent julia the lives in
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red hook tell me about this this is the
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first week of the war everybody i knew
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was talking about ukraine writing
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ukraine and during with the implications
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of this conflict could be
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and that headline
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as russians approaches town the
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cat was still be said that's
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so bravely small officer
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universal the same time like you could
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sub any international crisis into the
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front of their phrase that would still work as
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cove a death surpass one million the
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cat was study said the
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planet reels from climate change the
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cat must still be said hubble's
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early from the war are all
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in the same writing about the war
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by writing about the everyday the routine
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like this dispatch for march fourteenth
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today i went to the city centre
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again and i saw the paving slabs
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have been next to the new car wash
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and
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an old town of com a force clothing
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store has opened mix of the train station
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one , the owners the house next to us is
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painting two cents in read read
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our neighbors are preparing
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swigs desperate for
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all of us it is time for garden
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we don't want war at all
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the up in i also dream of peace
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and we want a
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baby so very much i
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wish you happiness to you and
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your children no huddle
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, is the sign else hoping that
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you will never have to endure the miseries of
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war with respect and sincerity
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by the as long as the gardens and you
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are with me i'm afraid
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i love you americans yours
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the bible could look with gratitude
21:45
to readers of the red hook daily catch
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by though advice watch
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the war on tv not from
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the window a house like me sincerely
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the ukrainian says they dream
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of peace
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that can be a euphemism for saying they support
22:09
seating land to russia apple
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is pretty open in his dispatches that
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he blames both ukraine and russia for the
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war those views on this a fairly
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common where he lives in eastern ukraine
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bordering russia and it's worth remembering
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that the war between ukraine and russia began
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there in twenty fourteen and never
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let up thousands of ukrainian soldiers
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died in that long before
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the russian invasion it's way twenty two hobble
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that volunteering for the ukrainian army he
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says has a medical exemption because of
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the trauma experience as a kid the
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says he doesn't want to fight said on
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regular war is going on anyway suppose
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that you gonna do you know what i'm probably just trying
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to ignore it to show my contempt
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it
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i he'd like every day to be he gets off
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he walks to fedora
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come back or he works in the garden
22:59
molly's out there he sees have his peas are doing
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he comes home and set lot of make
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dinner for him i mean i think that's the life he
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wants to live during this war
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in late march as russia shifted
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it's war strategy concentrated forces
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in the east and started capturing territory
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moving closer to puzzles home outside
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from a tourist
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the album daily routine it didn't
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how many stories can we do about
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the height of panels beans like
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they've broken the soil great now
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they're six inches tall
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we do another story now the he's harvesting
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the been to we do have now because some kind
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of fun this
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we report that we have to make some
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determination that at some point
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that's enough is enough on the beans
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the all the problems that emily expected to have
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she gave pavle a regular column in her new
23:47
site the last thing she expected
23:49
was at the portrait of life in a war zone
23:52
would be too dull the daily catch
23:54
one of our board of advisors
23:56
and numbers
23:58
often says to me t m the on
24:00
the stories too information
24:02
if you like in these moments there's a gap between
24:04
a you see the job and how he sees the job
24:06
he sees the job as
24:08
calling the story where his day to day life
24:11
like through war
24:13
reporting
24:14
from the ground
24:16
the journal
24:18
what his life is like
24:19
that group a vision that he has of israel
24:22
what's your vision to that
24:24
was his original role the report
24:27
on the daily life the cat
24:29
the you
24:30
he did such a good job at what he was doing
24:33
that now i want more i
24:35
want more of him
24:37
an example is i'll say don't
24:39
you take a walk down the road and
24:41
just talk to people about how they're
24:43
feeling and he says he'll say everybody's
24:46
fine everybody sells spring
24:48
where
24:49
just the day before
24:51
there was russian air strike five minutes
24:53
from his charles
24:55
doing journalism has become more fraught
24:57
ukraine since the war pobal
24:59
, us he was rehearsing would he might tell
25:01
russian forces if they capture the and
25:04
questioned his journalistic work emily
25:06
was trying to figure out though how much of puzzles
25:09
costs in puzzles costs to his neighbors well
25:11
advised and how much was him falling
25:13
back on old habits of putting a wall
25:15
between himself and other people
25:23
they didn't want to be greedy for
25:25
his time for his intellectual capital
25:27
for his for , fear
25:30
i wanted to respect it but
25:33
as a journalist i felt journalist had
25:35
to push headset really sure
25:38
i comfortable with the limitations
25:40
that the
25:40
based on his storytelling without
25:43
putting public putting danger she wanted
25:46
him to do more than his daily routine is gonna
25:48
work me and
25:49
for us more for the daily catch him or for our
25:51
readers and we're paying him i'm
25:53
gonna force him out of that comfort zone
25:55
but what if the key to getting
25:58
him out of his comfort zone
26:00
maybe to make some readers
26:02
uncomfortable
26:06
rough translation
26:08
that after the break
26:18
we're back with rough translation and gregory
26:20
warner april and may were busy
26:22
months to the red of daily catch there was there was
26:24
race for two seats and the school board congressional
26:27
district lines were redrawn eleven
26:29
trees are planted for earth day and
26:31
new barbershop landed it's permit but
26:33
continued to do what she promised readers she
26:35
published regular dispatches from pavle
26:38
in ukraine and problem in his
26:40
side sought ways to write about his neighbors
26:42
without having to to them
26:44
one day he said i have idea tomorrow
26:47
i'm going to out and look at all the different kinds
26:49
of ways to people are boarding their windows
26:52
the format of the story also played the powerful strands
26:55
walking many cataloguing
26:57
in observing world each choice of
26:59
window protection seeming to reveal something
27:01
about the budget and the beliefs of the people
27:03
inside
27:06
we did a photo gallery com
27:09
the windows of war
27:10
the most versatile and convenient way
27:13
to protect the window from a blast wave
27:15
is with an ordinary piece
27:17
of carpet this is a window that's
27:19
safest also works to
27:21
black out delight most cost
27:24
effective a more economical way to
27:26
protect windows is would soar with
27:28
a wooden boards this is a window religious
27:31
the most way to protect windows
27:34
is would icons and photographs
27:37
of ancestors
27:39
this person thinks that the for the image of
27:41
god is facing the street them
27:43
the blast wave will not destroy
27:46
them this
27:48
thing is not to have to protect your windows
27:51
not have war
27:53
respect insincerity
28:01
there's april turn to may and is more places
28:03
in eastern ukraine sell to russian forces
28:06
the felt himself start to falter
28:08
the needed his job with the daily catch it
28:11
always dreamed of a journalism job in
28:13
the us but writing about bomb
28:15
blasts and refugees even
28:17
at this removed the overwhelming
28:19
this year is as a superbowl defensive
28:22
our third widely i try as hard as i
28:24
can to distance myself from the want to
28:26
share of and to secure for myself some
28:28
kind of a peaceful future outside
28:32
i may be in ukraine physically but spiritual
28:35
and intellectual i want to be outside
28:38
because ukraine there's
28:40
not a place now we're normal people can
28:47
introduction of them with their or whatever
28:49
midler me to save any my reaction
28:51
to current events has become sluggish
28:54
takes me much effort to force myself to
28:56
continue working as a journalist
28:59
become , heart dial up
29:01
the most of the new policy deemed of yes it
29:03
brings good money but i would not
29:05
to meet any money and not to
29:07
write about war
29:11
kabul was questioning his future in journalism
29:13
some families readers were telling her to
29:16
it quits on top of com
29:17
i'm some people still say to me this
29:19
is not what you're doing this is like your
29:21
indulging some weird thing that you back
29:23
going on
29:25
and so i guess i'm wondering
29:27
net is part of thinks okay
29:29
i may have to shut this down you
29:31
bigoted stories rights course would you feel
29:34
guilty or would you feel that you'd a
29:36
contract you the had with him
29:38
a written contract that someone
29:40
to keep listening
29:42
i want to keep him relevant
29:45
the great choked up talking about this
29:50
i
29:52
would keep him relevant
29:54
that it requires us daily cats for
29:57
his honest or paper is here
29:59
the paabo was reaching out to emily less
30:02
often
30:03
the write him off are you okay
30:05
what are you writing were you thinking about what's your
30:07
next story
30:08
one time she didn't hear from him for over a week
30:10
i think the longest ever gone then
30:12
she remembers early june an email
30:14
cancer pavel the brimming with enthusiasm
30:18
on he said i've got a really interesting one for
30:20
you there's no such as know those
30:22
with a killer bread the sigma schuster the lowest
30:24
bidder dutch but now i managed to gain
30:26
mental strength move forward again
30:28
says i want find an occupation
30:31
not related the war that
30:33
is the point cannot be related
30:36
to the war we could send this
30:38
league
30:39
an instagram feed
30:43
stock images like cyclades
30:46
to , alluring in a fight sexual
30:50
sexual woman in a look at black gown smoking
30:52
from a holder a woman
30:54
dancing and silk underwear the
30:56
title the feed was on clad
30:59
new york
30:59
am i really going to be publishing
31:01
each photo or video was cared for the
31:03
statistic or datapoint
31:05
this one about their seventy four hundred
31:07
public
31:08
the horse thirteen hundred public
31:10
bathing beaches operator new york state
31:13
or another post changes in commuting
31:15
habits are part of new pentax
31:17
reality smoking is down to
31:19
less than twelve percent of new yorkers
31:21
halfway ridership started sixty percent
31:24
of normal
31:25
hobbled told her she was published this feed to
31:27
get a job in the united states
31:34
wonder the he even though i thought yes
31:37
probably thought an escape and the war in the way he knew
31:39
best a virtual trip
31:43
the problem was if readers at put a t
31:45
m i on too much a pulse beans
31:48
this one
31:49
really may be tmr the
31:51
concern was more about somebody
31:53
imagery
31:54
and i thought it would cause leaders
31:57
charge him harshly against
31:59
world they don't understand
32:02
the breeders and warm to pavle because he
32:04
was giving them a window into war instagram
32:07
feed with it's stock images and it's
32:09
stats that had nothing to do with ukraine
32:12
it might break the spell
32:14
and yet emily also felt like after
32:16
all those of encouraging pavle to write
32:18
about a war that he not want
32:20
to observe the kind of auditory
32:23
let him have his escape
32:25
this is as close as i've gotten in
32:27
many to how powerful processes
32:30
his loneliness
32:32
this blog this is different blog
32:35
the distraction
32:37
the highest order
32:39
so and we publish this dispatch
32:41
linking to the instagram feed figuring
32:44
readers would probably not get
32:46
stand it was exactly
32:49
the opposite of what i expected people
32:51
thought for exactly what he created which
32:54
was a coping mechanism it is
32:56
hard for me they choose the
32:58
daily catch have ,
33:00
such a wonderful communicate
33:03
with someone living to this terrible
33:06
war people loved how
33:08
innovative he was they loved
33:10
it as a for escape
33:13
i am sure this communication
33:16
is a
33:17
the him during this time
33:21
let us sincerely hope that
33:23
topple set lotta dora
33:26
make , to do you arcs of day day
33:30
the past when have a would take his virtual
33:32
trips lurking , online
33:34
municipal records some small town to
33:37
imagine himself a resident there and
33:39
see the details even the locals nest
33:41
those locals never knew he was
33:44
there he was invisible basically
33:46
but this trip it was taken with red
33:48
hook readers following love
33:50
some people thought she found new information
33:53
that they don't think about on a daily basis
33:56
a found it interesting that he finds
33:58
it interesting because
33:59
that what we're really trying to learn is that
34:02
this pavel rained compelling
34:05
as he's navigating war
34:10
i've been following cobbles dispatches in the daily
34:12
catch for a few months now it
34:14
it was this dispatch about the instagram
34:16
feed in new york that made me realize that
34:18
something really different was going on here
34:21
we don't think this international story
34:24
about ukraine war playing by
34:26
local journalism rules you
34:28
care get it there because
34:30
of their
34:31
what is local
34:34
local what's happening at
34:36
the local school is local what's
34:39
happening in my street corner or
34:41
is local what i make sure what
34:44
i may come to care about in my life
34:47
the problems with mail to us that he said
34:49
just after the instagram feed was published
34:52
how pathetic a totally different person than
34:54
he sounded just a couple weeks earlier he's
34:56
full of confidence the young as
34:58
valley monitor was too i didn't expect that
35:00
they would grow working for the daily
35:03
with the didn't think i would that it has
35:05
been a challenge for me in a it's
35:09
made me grow the russian
35:11
army was now fifty miles from his home
35:13
many ukrainians fled crematory the
35:16
double had another community in
35:18
red hook people following
35:20
his offerings and imposes
35:22
for his garden so was the kind of long
35:24
distance neighbor the net active
35:26
welcome seem to have allowed to
35:29
get closer to his own neighbors shortly
35:31
after the publication of this instagram
35:33
feed pavel took a big step for
35:36
him he did a full interview with
35:38
a neighbor spend a leaner it
35:40
was the first interview of his journalism
35:42
career and he says when the
35:44
most challenging and experience as a disguise
35:47
it is working for the daily catch taught him
35:49
that empathy for people is the journalists
35:51
most important skill thing he
35:53
says he learned belatedly after all these years
35:55
in journalism and after
35:57
feeling so much empathy directed at him
36:00
yeah and you can doubling about almost of said the
36:02
my up a signal nazism with someone's into
36:04
the if i would never have thought of my everyday
36:06
life could be of interest to anyone i'm
36:08
not some kind of pop star politician
36:10
or a big businessmen but he
36:13
out that even a simple person like me
36:16
can be interesting
36:18
i mean for me working with the daily catch
36:20
has boosted my self esteem
36:22
they began to like
36:24
and respect my sophomore
36:26
suddenly that might ordinary
36:28
life
36:29
there's some generally
36:36
the bible says he's no longer afraid
36:38
to write about the suffering of war and
36:41
, up to notice notice
36:43
acts of closer to home recently
36:46
he went to the dancer to fedora any
36:49
noticed she was weak and listless
36:51
examined for and i phones hundreds
36:53
of police police climbing
36:56
indoor his eyes on for miles and
36:59
inside mills last
37:02
summer house fleece literally
37:05
are citing all the blood out
37:07
of to find him good as would
37:09
and wouldn't go let's see been spending
37:11
so much his attention and blocking out the war
37:14
it's know it's nord the cat that he thought
37:16
he was carrying for dora
37:19
dying from neglect
37:24
four days on the role i searched
37:26
for fleas on door and i managed
37:29
to cure hundred twenty of the little suckers
37:32
of corsica that each way anyhow
37:37
all this attention to her fleas must have boosted
37:39
my cat self imagine
37:42
what i kept things when a person
37:44
catches their sleeves four hours
37:47
end they're all making
37:49
attention to door a during the senseless
37:51
war i have xp
37:53
that make the
37:58
front is approaching commodores the
38:00
harder the suit the more
38:02
i will pay to suit lana dora
38:05
and my garden i think
38:08
this is the correct tactic windows of ward
38:10
that you don't need
38:14
i wish he never to be deceived by
38:19
and i wish you never to have fleas on your
38:49
this episode was produced by tessa pioli
38:51
with help from pablo are glass in nyc m
38:53
nevis in our senior producer adelina
38:55
lansing these are editor on this story
38:58
was supervising senior producer bruce auster
39:00
r translator and voice actor was eugene alper
39:04
so , people listen to this piece and made it better
39:06
thank you to julia barton brenda farrell
39:09
wojciech alexey ak miranda kennedy
39:11
lauren gonzales robert krulwich and
39:13
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39:16
rough translations co-creator the
39:18
way if you enjoyed this story about ukraine check
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39:24
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39:27
rough transition team includes luis chance justine
39:29
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39:31
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39:33
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39:35
hook daily catch readers margie john f
39:38
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39:40
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39:42
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39:44
and pavel for sharing their story by the way door
39:47
the cat has made a full recovery
39:49
powerful says she's walking a lot and eating well
39:52
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