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Welcome everyone to the RV Strength Podcast. I'm

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Nick Schallen joined by Dr. Mike. Yo.

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What up? What up? And

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Dr. Robert Santana,

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joining us again, gracing us with

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his presence and his lovely

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looks and hair. And my dad, I can

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see him on video. Why

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don't I have hair? Why not? You

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had it when I met you. Yeah. Did

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you lose it? Well, the combination

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of terrible genetics and anabolic

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steroid abuse. So you

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can't find it? You can lose it, but you can't find it? Oh,

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I know where it is. It's in various sewer

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systems. But

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it's unretrievable, realistically, Robert. So

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why does it come off your head and then grow all

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over your body? I've never actually dug into this. Yes,

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yes, same answer. A combination of terrible

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genetics and anabolic steroid abuse. I

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meant with the second one, how come when you

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abuse anabolic steroids, it goes everywhere else but then

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it comes off your head? Yeah, that's like a

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way, you know, I've never looked into the scientific

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depth of that because I couldn't give a

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shit about hair, but clearly. But

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yeah, it does cause body hair growth

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and it can cause hair loss. That's

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some sensitivity to dihydrotestosterone that

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is a side

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effect of anabolic steroids, decompose

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into that. So yeah, that's why

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like, especially if you're a lady and you want

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to get juicy and you take in the steroids

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because you think it'll give you big muscles, make

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it beautiful, make everyone love you on Instagram. Turns

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out that it probably will cause a

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receding hairline, a thing of hair and

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more hair on your back and face,

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I might add. So ladies reconsider. Be

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easy, be wary, be very mindful of

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the trade offs. Yeah. Yeah,

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when I was a youngster, the hair was the deal breaker

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for me, believe it or not. Oh,

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with ladies. Yes. In

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which direction, let me guess, a woman needed

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to be sufficiently hairy for you to be

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attracted to her. That's exactly what I

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was saying. My man. Yo,

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what's up Sasquatch? She's like, my name's Cara. And

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you're like, oh, even better, girl. And

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I got this. Let's

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keep it together, Nick. Keep it together. Keep

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it together, Nick. Robert, how many times... What's

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up, man? How many times

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do people call you Carlos Santana? More than

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I can count, probably. Is it always the

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most hilarious? Yeah, I say I wish, man.

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I'd have a lot more money. Mm.

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What was Carlos Santana's best well-known

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song? Shit that a

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lot, dude. Smooth, right? Probably.

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Yeah, probably. Yeah, probably. It's the only one

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I can recall, so that's good. I'm

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asking Chachupiti. That's

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gonna tell you. I'm

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not asking about his song. I

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am asking about Carlos Santana's net worth.

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Is estimated to be between 120 and $140 million. See

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what I mean? Royalty's

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for music are real

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legit if you're a megastar and you signed

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decent contracts when you are producing music. This

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is true. I'm in the

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wrong business. I mean, that's about what you

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make annually at your gym down in Phoenix

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area, right? A daily, man. Daily.

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I am. That's awesome. I would

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hold it out. Yeah, that's a

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trillionaire lifestyle, I see. Excellent. Robert,

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what are you up to down in the greater Phoenix area

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these days? Not much, man.

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I'm here. Got my dogs. I've been dabbling

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in dog training. I don't know if you've seen some of

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that. But yeah. Hold on. Explain

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the dog training. There's different kinds of

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dog training. There's like the dog jumps

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and bites your arm and you wiggle

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it around kind of training. That's

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where I'm going. Okay. Not Fido

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sit, Fido fetch, Fido bag. It started there. It started

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there. It was like, okay, I need my dog to

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behave around people. Then it like went this whole rabbit

3:48

hole of, oh, I want to do more shit. Oh,

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now I got a Malinois. Oh, now we're doing bite

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work. And now I'm going to do a PSA competition

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at some point. Holy shit. So you started out with,

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I need my dog to behave around people and then

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eventually went I need my dog to hurt people. That's

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right. Do you feel safe

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with your dog? Oh, absolutely. No, I'm

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sorry. Do you feel safe in relation

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to your dog? I

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like that that one requires a little more

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thought. I feel safe in relation. What do

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you mean? Yes. Yeah. So

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you clearly feel safe when your dog is around

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a relation to other people,

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like no one's going to, cause five, I was going

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to fucking, you know what I'm saying? He's going to

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handle business. But what if like he looks at you

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one day and he's like, Hey Robert, you're like, what?

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He's like, you tested me motherfucker. And you're like, do

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you stand up to him? Do you say some shit back?

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Or are you like, well, kind of, he's in charge now.

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Like, how do you feel about it? That doesn't typically happen,

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especially if you get them young, you know, but. You

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mean they don't, uh, dogs don't typically like, uh, speak

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in human voices to you? No, that's

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the word that they will be anthropomorphizing them.

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Well, I will say like your mushroom dealer

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is not the right dealer. Pretty

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good with kind of knowing who the top dog

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is. Yeah. Especially

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since you know, they need to, they kind of

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need you to eat and survive. You know, they

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don't know that. Of course

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they do. If the food's always coming out of your

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hand. That's true. Well, they say like, okay. I

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have a German short haired pointer at

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GSP and a Belgian Malinois. So

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Belgian Malinois is the preferred special forces dog.

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Right. That's right. Yeah. And they're like ultra

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smart and ultra need a lot of training

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and ultra like regimented and bomb sniffing and

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all that shit. Oh yeah. They can sniff.

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They can bite their multi-purpose. They can do

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anything. There's only one dog that's a better

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working dog than that. And that is the

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English bulldog, the old English bulldog, which is

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my, uh, my wife and I have an

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old English bulldog and her name's Gwen and

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she's wonderful and perfect. And

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she knows how to sit. She knows how to stay. She

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does not know anything else as far as I can tell.

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No, she knows how to lay around

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very well. Oh, she's an expert

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in it. Yeah. If

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you're like really stressed and anxious, you need an old

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English bulldog to chill you the fuck out because it has

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nothing to do with its time other than like The

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zoomies one and a half times a day for

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15 minutes. And then that's

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it. If the rest of the time the dog is

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either sleeping or just staring at you and wants love.

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And growing muscle. And she's the most Jack dog ever.

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I love that. God damn dog. We didn't even try

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to get a Jack dog. It just showed up. Bulldogs

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are power lifters of the dog world. Yes.

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Lazy useless and Jack.

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Bodybuilders too. Jeez, while we're at it. Yeah.

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I was going to make the joke with Bella French Bulldog. Oh

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geez, that's what you have. They're fun. She

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is. Yeah. I mean, she probably could have used

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some better training. I don't know if it's too late. Actually that's a

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good question. Is it too late to start at like two or? No,

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no, it's still young. Okay. Yeah.

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Cause she kind of more or less hates everyone except

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for us. Oh no, we hate. Yeah, she does. She

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does warm up to people if they're in the house long

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enough, but generally. Nick, if I come over, will she hate

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me? I would bet at first you've

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been here before. So I feel like she'd not take care.

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She was really young. Yeah, that's true. Oh

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no, we mean. But she's

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so adorable. How can you even, I wouldn't feel hated. I would

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just laugh at her as she barked at me. It's

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actually really interesting if you, she's

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totally cool, but if you like look at

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her, she'll just, she freaks. What?

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You just like look somewhere else though, she's cool.

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She's chill. I'm gonna stare

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that bitch down. You saw it in your own peril. All

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right. I need like an oven mitt before I do

7:22

that. Put the sleeve on. For

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a French Bulldog, an oven mitt more than

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likely suffices as protection. I

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would agree with that. Sure, sure.

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Do you take your dogs out hiking a lot

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Robert? I take them everywhere, yeah. I just alternate

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between the two on the hikes. I'm gonna start

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bringing them both out together. I

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have a follow up. Do you take the Malinois

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to the dog park? To ignore other dogs, yeah.

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Oh, so he just looks at you all the

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time and waits for the instruction? Yeah,

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he just kind of stays by me. Holy

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balls. Yeah. That

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was one of the first things I taught all of my dogs. We

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go to the dog park, sit by the entrance. All the dogs are

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going in and out and they just their jobs. just chill.

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That's a fucking, Jesus Christ. I can't even

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do that dog park. I want to go

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pet all the dogs. Yeah,

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you just don't know what you're going to get in there. I'm very

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anti dog park. What do you mean? Explain

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that. Because you can't really predict

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the behavior of somebody else's dog and

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you just kind of setting yourself up.

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You're setting your dog up for

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a potential altercation that can be completely avoided,

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which could lead to problems later, you know, it's

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bad enough. Yeah, the

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dog park's a weird place. On the one hand, it's awesome when dogs

8:29

get along and it's great and they get to socialize. But on the

8:31

other hand, like anytime I'm there, sometimes

8:34

when I'm at the dog parks, your crystal's in charge. She's

8:36

usually the one that handles Gweny

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and I'm like often like high on marijuana.

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I just want peace and love and to play

8:43

with dogs. And then all of a sudden like two dogs

8:45

get into it and they start doing that like barking that's

8:47

not for fun barking. And I'm like, what the fuck is

8:49

going on? Like, I'm going to have to put one of

8:51

these dogs down while I'm high. This is terrible. That's

8:55

what I'm talking about. You just don't know what you're going

8:57

to get. It's a trip. And some people like, I swear

8:59

to God, some people know their dogs are like poorly behaved.

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Are they still taken to the fucking dog park? Oh, fuck

9:03

yeah. Your dog's in other places. And

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other places. That's true. I feel like that would be

9:08

me taking Velado dog park. I'd be like, this is,

9:10

I know what's going to happen. So why would I

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do that? Yeah. They, the

9:15

last time we went away to Vegas on Lori's

9:17

birthday, we came back to the place

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where like, you know, we boarded her, put

9:21

her up for the weekend. It's very, very lovely place down

9:24

here. And they were basically like, yeah,

9:26

she can't come back. Your

9:28

dog sucks. Nick, that sucks, bro. He hates

9:30

all of their dogs. Yes. And

9:33

people. She just hates. She

9:36

like you. She loves us, but

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she's got, she's got lots of hate in

9:40

her heart. Damn. And that tiny little cute

9:42

heart. Yes. Oh my God. Adorable. Go

9:44

sad. She loves us though. She

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loves us. Yeah. That's all that matters, right? She's so,

9:49

she's so, she's so good at dust now. So

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the place I use, they, they tramp. Well, they

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trained my dog, my first dog, and then they

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gave me the second dog, the Ballonot. And

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they do. They train their dogs for police

10:01

work and personal protection. So when I

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travel, I leave my dogs there. Nice.

10:07

So they know the people, they

10:09

want to talk to me everything. So the training gets kept up. Wow.

10:13

Makes sense. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. That's

10:16

pretty nice. Someone do like a

10:18

task rabbit contract where they come to your house three

10:20

times a day to feed and lock the dog, which

10:22

you don't tell them it's a killer dog and just

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leave. Oh yeah. That's that's what

10:27

he is. I got to do anything. What really? That's

10:30

I tell him to, he has a bite command, but he's

10:32

not just going to go and bite somebody. So

10:34

if there's a home intruder and he doesn't hear

10:36

a bite command. Well, they're going to bark. So

10:39

it's going to alert them. That's going to wake me up.

10:41

Obviously the ball, the pointer will bark for her. She she's

10:43

the loud one. He's the quiet one. He's the one that's

10:45

actually trained to do damage. She'll

10:48

bark. I probably wake up and then I'd say that's the

10:50

guy and then he'd go after him. Oh,

10:52

that's the command. Yeah. Or that's him, you

10:54

know, Holy fuck. Now, if there's two people

10:56

standing in the doorway, which one is she

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go for? Well, there's a full posture. So

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whoever I'm facing, they follow your body language.

11:03

So dogs follow physical cues before verbal cues.

11:06

So when you're first teaching a dog, something you use

11:08

physical cue, then you introduce the sound and then you,

11:10

then you fade out the physical. Anytime

11:14

Gweny hears someone at the door, she does her big

11:16

girl bark. And every time she

11:18

does it, she looks at Crystal and I, she's like,

11:20

what's going on? And the only thing

11:22

we do, I do back to her is, Oh my

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God, who's a big lady? Who brought it to people's?

11:26

That's all I do. So she's like, you're not helping.

11:28

What the fuck is going on? I

11:31

just make fun of her and come up and give her

11:33

kisses. So I don't know what cue that is, but I

11:35

definitely hear you out there. Like she goes down, they look

11:37

at you. They're like, what's he thinking? If they know what

11:39

to do and you tell them and you point and they're

11:41

going to go. So like just now we're, we're kind of

11:43

building it out from scratch. He's bitten a decoy before, but

11:46

we're trying to like structure it now. Cause I'm going to

11:48

go into competitions. Um, so I had, um, one of my

11:50

members, she was holding the tuck, you see those tug toys

11:52

where they hold it on each end and they bite it.

11:55

So she stood there squared up in front of them

11:57

holding it. And then he's facing her in a down

11:59

position. I'm behind him with the leash. As soon as

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he turns his head back like this and makes eye

12:03

contact, I release him and then he bites

12:05

the thing. So later on you do that

12:08

same drill and eventually it's a sleeve, then eventually it's

12:10

a whole suit and they bite the person. Do

12:12

you teach the dog to go square for

12:15

the testicles? Could I guess. I mean

12:17

they work on targeting because I know they bite legs

12:19

and arms, but they know not to

12:21

bite hands when it's a decoy. Okay, that's great.

12:23

And also when it's a real person in your

12:26

house, are they supposed to bite

12:28

him so that he becomes frightened and runs away?

12:30

Are they supposed to bite him to restrain him

12:32

like police dogs or are they supposed to bite

12:34

him to kill him? No, I'm not that far down

12:36

the rabbit hole yet. So I can't answer. That's

12:38

a good question to get answered at some point

12:40

before you get a lot of lawsuits. Well,

12:42

I know here they have to be threatening your life.

12:44

So that's why I can't hold them when I'm not

12:47

home. So if the intruder comes in and then the

12:49

dog comes after him and they turn around and run

12:51

and bite him, they consume me. Yeah, for sure. That's

12:53

so fucking weird, dude. If you intrude in the home,

12:55

unless you're like the electrician, you're going to have to

12:57

get it. Yeah, that's bullshit. So I

12:59

can't hold both of them when I'm not here. Sure. All

13:03

right. Have a gym. Coach,

13:05

clients at RP. Train

13:08

your dogs. Yep. What else?

13:10

The hike you mentioned earlier. Hike. Well,

13:13

you train yourself obviously with weights. Of course.

13:15

Oh yeah, yeah, still lift. How

13:18

long do you hike for? What's the hiking protocol? Probably

13:21

an hour a day during the week, maybe an hour and

13:23

a half in the weekends. And

13:26

do you do elevation hiking? Is it terrain hiking?

13:28

Always. Otherwise my fucking knees and hips feel like

13:30

shit if I don't do that. Wait,

13:33

what? Explain. So

13:35

two years back, right after

13:37

the pandemic, I started getting achy knees and I just

13:40

kind of attributed it to my training. I'm like, well,

13:42

you know, I've been doing this a while. Then

13:44

I tore an ad doctor misloading one side of

13:46

the bar where I pulled it. I didn't pull it. Oh, no. I

13:49

was supposed to go from four Oh five to three

13:51

65 on the squat, but I left the quarter on

13:54

one side, left the full plate on the other side.

13:57

So on the right side, pulled out my, Oh, well, I got to take

13:59

weight off. Let's get. conditioned. So I started hiking

14:02

within five days, my knees immediately stopped hurting and I

14:04

wasn't doing it for that reason. And then it's

14:06

never come back. So I'm like, Oh, I was just

14:08

lifting heavy and sitting on my ass all day. That's

14:10

the problem. That's why my knees hurt. Yeah.

14:15

So I've been like hammering people on this now in

14:17

terms of clients. I'm like, yeah, you should probably do

14:19

some sort of uphill walking. It's good for the hips

14:21

and knees. Interesting. It was

14:24

immediate. You don't find that

14:26

walking on like if you want and walked around

14:28

the mall, that wouldn't, uh, it's not

14:30

the same more range of motion. Okay.

14:33

Interesting. So I do an uphill three quarter

14:35

mile down the street and then

14:37

I run downhill and then I come back and go by

14:39

my day. So it's like five minutes away. How

14:42

about anecdotally? If you've had clients start doing that,

14:45

have you had similar feedback and results? Yeah. So

14:47

I get like, you know, I got it guys,

14:49

you know, that just sit all day. And then,

14:51

you know, they start training, they get stronger, especially

14:53

if it gets pretty heavy than a whom I

14:55

hit my back. And then you're down to like

14:57

basically squatting nothing. And they're still hurting. And then

14:59

I'm like, what are you doing all day? Ooh, like

15:01

5,000 steps. And I'm sitting at a computer all day. So

15:04

I'm like, look man, I'm like, there's no way around it. I'm

15:06

like, you know, lift heavy. You're going to get stiff. That's just

15:08

the nature of the beast. So you need to counteract that and

15:11

make sure you're not sitting on your ass all day. So I

15:14

got one guy that I'm thinking of in particular, and

15:16

he's probably going to listen to this because he listened to our last one. And

15:19

uh, he know he sees the correlation on Mondays.

15:21

He feels better because he's moved around all weekend

15:23

and then throughout the week, he just gets worse

15:25

and worse and worse. Hip, hip and back just

15:27

gets stiff and hurts. But um, when he started

15:30

throwing that, when he throws that in during the

15:32

week, it tends to get better. But I've heard

15:34

the same story with others. That's interesting to hear,

15:36

man. That's really cool. So yeah, this like, you

15:38

only got to lift and not do cardio stuff.

15:41

I am not out on that train. Well, the

15:43

people that say that typically are insanely unathletic, wildly

15:45

immobile people. Just, it's

15:48

like when quote unquote power lifters means people

15:50

who are recreationally trained and pretend they're power

15:52

lifters. Yeah. So she like, man, anything over

15:54

a triple as cardio. Uh, you

15:57

know what, uh, 2006 called and wants. joke

16:00

back. First of all,

16:02

second of all, you're fat and you

16:04

suck. Shut up. And

16:07

all the people that are bigger and stronger than you

16:09

walk more steps than you fat fuck. I

16:11

don't typically tell them that. I just smile

16:13

and go, yep, cardio. I

16:18

think it

16:24

was when I started lifting, I was in college. I

16:26

walked around a lot. I always walked on campus. I

16:28

didn't take buses or anything. And then I moved to

16:30

LA. So I was walking a lot there because I

16:32

was more urban living. But then here

16:34

was the first time I literally was just on my ass all

16:36

day. And that was the first time I ever, ever had any

16:39

like orthopedic pain like that. You know, where's

16:41

here? Phoenix. So you

16:43

live in the Phoenix metropolitan area.

16:45

Mm hmm. That's right. And Phoenix

16:48

is like America's suburb, basically. Yeah,

16:50

essentially. So you're driving everywhere.

16:53

How is your relatively

16:55

macro friendly fast food scene in Phoenix? What

16:57

do we got down there? Yeah. You like

16:59

to your acting madness. Do you have like

17:01

Chipotle? What do you got? Oh

17:04

yeah. All the basic fast food places.

17:06

McDonald's, Jack in the box. It's the one that

17:08

everybody likes in an outburger. And you got Chipotle.

17:10

We used to have keto, but now there's only

17:13

one left and it's on ASU campus. Yeah. Keto

17:15

sucks. I'm sorry. Yeah. I mean, I

17:17

liked it. I like it too. Just circle the drain,

17:19

man. We lost the

17:21

one that was in town now. The last ones

17:23

in ASU campus. So you're not going over there

17:26

because it's a zoo. No. Yeah. The parking is

17:28

horrible. Yeah. Not doing it. Yeah. I

17:30

don't want it that bad. But yeah, there's

17:32

just a lot of water burger here. I

17:34

think Carl's Jr. Okay. What's your

17:36

sushi scene like? Pretty good. Pretty

17:39

good. Nice. I'd say it's pretty solid because I do

17:41

that a lot. The West coast is dope

17:43

for sushi. I would say so.

17:45

That's when I started eating it all the time was when I moved

17:47

to California. Yeah. And I just

17:50

kept that up here. Nick loves sushi. Nick, tell us

17:52

what your favorite kind of role is. I don't know.

17:54

I'm just sketched out by raw fish. I gotta be

17:56

honest. saying

18:00

this right now, like to your

18:02

credit, to your credit, when you and I lived

18:04

together in New York city back

18:06

in the day, I was like, I don't, I

18:08

don't want like Chinese food. I don't want Asian

18:10

food. I'm like, and then this,

18:13

this motherfucker just over time is

18:15

like, no, come on, come on,

18:17

come on. I'm like, it's objectively

18:19

superior. Dude,

18:22

if, if Lori and I go out to eat,

18:24

there's a good chance we're going to a Thai

18:27

restaurant and it is so good. Man,

18:30

I just, I'm willing to take that one on the

18:32

chin. Listen, could it be

18:34

the case for sushi? It totally could.

18:36

I'm probably wrong. I know that I'm probably wrong,

18:38

but just, just, I don't know, man. I got

18:40

a weird mental thing. It's totally,

18:43

I feel you. I have like 80 of

18:45

those. Have you tried sushi recently? Ever?

18:48

No. We got to get it to try it. The

18:50

first time might be strange, but after that you'll learn

18:52

to love it. It's a question. It's a quote. My

18:54

own told me, I'm just kidding. I was going to

18:56

go on that. But no, even if I can't,

18:58

I know. Family podcast, Michael family.

19:01

It is a fair, well, my uncle was family.

19:03

So it's a second thing. So

19:05

no, a hundred percent man, like

19:08

Nick, no, to self, we got to get you on the

19:10

sushi train. Cause you're going to, it's one of those things

19:12

where there's a decent chance you're going to be like, wow.

19:16

The literal magic carpet. And we will do

19:18

a duet of a whole new world. Yeah.

19:21

Where has it been? When, uh, all right.

19:23

When, um, dude, we got

19:25

to do it in Vegas for Olympia. I'll probably be out

19:28

there. We can, you said, you know, that's

19:30

good. Oh yeah. Vegas

19:32

is solid dude. You know

19:34

what? They don't have at least here, Vegas. They probably do,

19:36

but here I didn't see it much in California either. They

19:38

don't have the fricking boats. They don't do the boat. So

19:40

if you want a lot of sushi, that was it bringing

19:42

up some plates? Yeah. They just bring

19:44

it along. It's like a long

19:46

rectangular thing. Yeah. But I'm not,

19:49

in Vegas they do it some places. I

19:52

remember a Vegas on the Midwest. That's first

19:54

time. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Chicago does a

19:56

lot of boats. Um, the

19:58

Vegas, all you. can eat sushi

20:01

scene for a very low

20:03

price is preposterously good. Really?

20:05

It's unreal. Off

20:08

the strip. Everything about Vegas that's good is

20:10

off the street. No shit. I mean, unless

20:12

you like strip things like hookers,

20:15

strippers, tons of

20:18

drunk people, tons of people on drugs, degenerate

20:21

gamblers, loud, everything, smoke everywhere.

20:24

Cigarette smoke, cigarette smoke, cigarette

20:26

smoke. Um, clubbing,

20:29

I guess is cool. Cigarette smoke, lights,

20:31

cigarette, sound, cigarette smoke, hot smoke too,

20:33

right? I

20:36

mean pot smokes leads to your problems down there,

20:38

but yeah. Okay. We were in

20:40

Vegas on four 20. It's the Lori's birthday. That's

20:44

one of the greatest stories I've ever heard. A

20:47

typical American family goes to Vegas on four 20.

20:51

You didn't think that went through, huh? No, we didn't. I

20:53

certainly didn't think that went through. There was one

20:55

place on the strip that, well, actually, I don't

20:57

know, is this is circus circus still considered the

20:59

strip circus circus. Yeah,

21:02

fine. Before you go down that rabbit hole. So like

21:04

you go in there and it's, it's it's

21:06

circus circus. Obviously. Then there's like

21:08

this little nook and it's a restaurant called the

21:10

steakhouse and it's fucking good. Really? Yeah. It's called

21:12

the steakhouse. Vegas does one thing very well and

21:14

that is food, food in abundance. There's a lot

21:16

of good food there. Yep. Vegas is one of

21:19

the best food in the world. I didn't know

21:21

that. I didn't know that was there until six

21:23

years ago. My mother was there with her husband

21:26

and she's like, go here. I'm like circus, what?

21:28

And then like I'm walking, I'm walking, I'm walking.

21:30

I see like this 1950s looking steakhouse. It's really

21:32

fucking nice. And the food was delicious. It's like

21:34

hidden. You, you would miss it if you were just walking through

21:36

there. Folks, definitely go check

21:38

that out, but stay the fuck away

21:41

from circus circus or every other solution.

21:43

I would agree with that. It's like

21:45

old casino. If you

21:47

took somehow some magical nano

21:50

tech chemical process and

21:52

removed caked in cigarette smoke from circus

21:54

circus, it would collapse from a lack

21:56

of structure. Make

22:00

your responses We

22:04

walked in and out of a few casinos just to like

22:06

show my kids the You know whatever

22:08

it's a little bit around cuz you know, they all got

22:10

all sorts of different casinos Dude, my

22:12

head started hurting after a while. It's just like so

22:14

much cigarette smoke. It's just like in

22:16

your face You're like this fucking terrible Imagine

22:18

people I feel bad for the people of voluntarily going

22:21

to setting that and their degenerate gamblers and do that

22:23

for hours and hours Fuck

22:26

I can't do it man. I can't either. I think

22:28

it's terrible Yeah,

22:31

I actually like the smell of cigarette

22:33

smoke for one reason I think One

22:36

of my childhood best friends his dad

22:38

smoked cigarettes his entire life Well most

22:40

of his life all of

22:43

my childhood and all the times I spent at

22:45

his house We're just wonderful

22:47

times and so I learned to associate the

22:49

smell of cigarette smoke with wonderful exciting beautiful

22:51

times and I

22:53

like the smell but there's a difference between like

22:56

fresh cigarette smell when you smell like someone you

22:58

walk by someone smoking I'm usually That's

23:00

the life. I've got like caked in

23:03

ashtray cigarette. Yeah Yeah,

23:05

you could stay the fuck away from

23:07

that. That's fine And also man

23:09

like yeah, I know a lot of people do a lot of

23:11

people do but I

23:13

will say Something Scott the

23:15

video guy and I were talking about earlier

23:17

smoking is so cool

23:21

Like you can't do anything

23:23

cooler looking than smoke a cigarette,

23:25

you know, and it isn't actually

23:27

cool No, it's a lung cancer

23:30

insertion device and it makes

23:32

your breath smell like shit It makes you age

23:34

faster and then she uglier the whole works But

23:37

like just seeing someone drag a fucking

23:39

sig down and just it's

23:41

the most nonchalant like oh, they're

23:43

just so awesome I just want to be that

23:45

cool and I was I never smoked and also

23:48

I've never been cool and I don't think that's

23:50

an accident I Viamitly

23:52

disagree with everything you just said I guess you're

23:54

immune to 1970s Child

23:57

targeting cigarette. Yeah Yeah I

24:00

don't know man, I was in Germany and

24:02

March and Italy and everybody fucking smokes there.

24:04

Oh Europe, they fucking smoke, right? It's crazy,

24:07

yeah. That's what you said. I'm

24:09

like, I kind of want one. Where'd

24:12

you go in Italy? I

24:14

went to Rome and then I went to Montalcino.

24:16

How was Rome? I'm going in September. It

24:19

was awesome. It was fucking awesome. If

24:21

you're going to do the Coliseum, they have like,

24:23

they've opened up the underground now

24:25

and they have what's called the penthouse,

24:28

which is the very top, but you have to order

24:30

those tickets in advance online, so you better do that

24:32

now. So I got

24:34

to go in last minute, so it was like basically

24:36

like Black Friday shit where I'm there at like seven

24:38

in the morning waiting in line for day of tickets

24:40

and the gal is like just

24:43

everything, no underground, but I'm like, oh, can I

24:45

pay for that? She's like, not a chance. The

24:48

Talia accent, you know, that I'm like, I started laughing that she

24:50

started laughing. She's like, yeah, do it like at least three weeks

24:52

in advance. She's like, do a month just for good measure. They

24:56

only let like eight people up top at a time, but

24:58

now that I know that top, what does that mean up

25:00

top? So you know, the Roman Coliseum looks right.

25:03

The very, very top. You can't go to the

25:05

very, very top otherwise. Oh, like where Caesar sat.

25:07

Yeah. Or I don't know where they,

25:09

and I think they actually sat lower because the peasants sat at the

25:11

top. Oh, cause they further away. It's

25:13

like, um, no, it's like the seed seeds. Yeah. Yeah.

25:17

There you go. Yeah. The

25:20

same thing with the underground where all the gladiators were.

25:22

Interesting. Oh my God. I'm like, oh, I'm on a

25:24

trip. You know, I feel like I've

25:27

been to the Coliseum because I've seen gladiator,

25:29

the movie with Russell Crowe so many times

25:31

that I'm like, yeah, you know, I basically

25:33

live there for a while. Pretty

25:36

much all of us. It's a great movie. Well,

25:38

this well-deserved Oscar. That was actually the

25:40

best picture that year, I would say. Oh yeah. I

25:42

heard Russell Crowe is very not nice in real life.

25:45

That's what I heard. Yeah. I

25:47

wonder if that's true. Wouldn't that suck hearing something

25:49

like that about yourself if it wasn't true? I

25:51

mean, I hear all sorts of terrible things about

25:53

you on a daily basis, Mike. But

25:56

they're true. So it's like, wow, you know. I

26:00

lean into that. I guess that is true. It's the nice things that

26:02

are not true. So I don't know if that would really be

26:04

offensive to you. So are you mad that the nice things are

26:06

a lie? Nick's just mad. He

26:10

trained that dog of his to hate everyone like he does.

26:12

Secrets out. Secrets out. Do we have any coaching

26:15

questions for Robert or are we just going to

26:17

talk about random bullshit? Because I love

26:19

the random bullshit. I'm here all day for that shit. Last time we

26:21

did Beavis and Butthead, remember? That's right. We

26:23

did. Beavis and Butthead. Robert, you were the

26:25

start of this podcast going downhill quickly. Now

26:27

you're back. And I'm doing it again.

26:30

This will be the last episode. This is where we

26:32

get canceled forever. There we go. I'm

26:35

going to try not to let that happen. Robert,

26:38

how long have you been coaching folks now for RP?

26:40

It's been a while. Eight

26:42

years in July. Eight years in July.

26:45

Awesome, man. Eight years. How

26:47

many clients do you think you've worked with over that time?

26:49

Oh shit. Thousands probably. I would

26:51

imagine. So extrapolate that out. How

26:53

many total pounds of fat loss do you

26:56

think you've helped? Oh fuck.

26:58

Are you trying to come up with

27:00

an algorithm so you can charge per pound? That's

27:03

a good idea. Maybe

27:05

what on average? Maybe like 10, 15 pounds

27:07

per client? Probably yeah. I'd say

27:09

that's probably right. Somewhere between 10, 20. That's

27:11

probably reasonable. 1,500 clients, 15 pounds. That's

27:14

what? 22,500 pounds? There's

27:17

the math guy here. Sure.

27:19

I believe you. Robert,

27:22

share some stories with us. Not stories

27:24

necessarily. I'm sure there's time for that.

27:27

If I was a client and

27:29

I was going to hire a coach and

27:31

I wanted to come in ready

27:34

to have the highest probability of

27:36

success on my end, just got to

27:38

pay the money and I know the coach is good. I

27:41

want to come in like just as a

27:43

quick analogy, if I'm going to Machu Picchu,

27:45

you know what that is? Yeah. That's

27:48

the South American fucking mountain hike situation with the

27:51

native shit. I'm like, and

27:53

I talked to someone like, Hey, like what do we need

27:55

to know? They're going to be able to train up for

27:57

it, like get in good hiking shape because otherwise just going

27:59

to. and you're just gonna sit there and everyone's gonna go

28:01

on the cool hike and you're just gonna like be out of breath.

28:04

If I'm about to hire an RP coach, tell

28:08

me some things that I can bring

28:10

in mentally and willingness wise

28:12

and schedule wise and anything you have to

28:14

share for us that it's gonna maximize my

28:16

chance of success. Okay,

28:18

sure. Where do I start? Well,

28:21

it depends. Anything, no wrong answers. The way I

28:23

look at something like that, so you're talking about

28:25

a very specific physical activity that's

28:27

gonna require a lot of endurance,

28:29

some strength, a little bit of everything. So

28:32

you gotta set the date first of all and

28:35

block out enough time. So what's the limiting factor?

28:37

The first thing I wanna know, are you an

28:39

already strong person? Are you somebody who's already got

28:41

a lot of endurance? Where's your base at? Wait,

28:43

are you answering the Machu Picchu question? Yeah.

28:46

No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry, that was just an analogy. That

28:48

would actually be fascinating if you wanted to answer that right after. I'm

28:51

hiring a coach to a fat,

28:53

my apologies. I'm hiring a coach to lose some

28:55

fat. And I wanna

28:57

know mentally, what tools do I bring

29:00

to the equation? What willingness to work,

29:02

what understanding about the process, what understanding

29:05

about communication that will really

29:07

help me out. Cause like people will hire a

29:09

coach and a lot of them don't

29:11

know that like, hey, like there are some ways

29:14

of behaving as a client that is

29:16

just using your time and money best. Cause it's not

29:18

just, I wish it was like you hire a coach,

29:20

you press the big red button, you look down at

29:22

your gut and it disappears in terms of a six

29:24

pack, but that ain't it, right? You gotta bring your

29:27

own shit to the party. Tell me about

29:29

that. Sorry, one second. I'm sitting

29:31

there listening to Robert starting to

29:33

answer that question and thinking

29:35

that he's answering Mike's question, not realizing

29:37

that he's answering the Machu Picchu question.

29:39

And I'm like, wow, I'm not sure

29:41

where this is going, but okay,

29:43

all right, let's get it out. Machu Picchu,

29:46

I'm really interested. I had a hunch he was answering

29:48

the Machu Picchu question after the first time. So I

29:50

was like, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. It was a

29:52

good, it was a great answer actually. I'd love to

29:54

hear that after that. I was thinking about it on

29:56

the fly, man, but. Yeah, yeah. You have

29:58

to come in with the mentality that. you

30:00

know, first and foremost, at least with me, you

30:03

have to come in open-minded and

30:07

not thinking that you know more than you, you only know

30:09

what you don't know. That's

30:12

the first thing I tell somebody because one of the most

30:14

common problems I see with clients where

30:16

things don't go so well is they come in

30:18

with some sort of knowledge that they acquired somewhere

30:20

and not a whole lot of experience applying it

30:22

successfully. And then they want to turn it into

30:24

this situation where it's, okay, I'm going to pay

30:27

you to tell you what to tell me what

30:29

to do. So you got to flush that

30:31

shit down the toilet, you know? What's an

30:33

example of some shit that people come in and be like,

30:35

this is how my body works. I know how my body

30:37

works. I've read everything. Okay,

30:40

I'll sum that up for you. This is a sentence that I've

30:42

said on my own show and that I've said in many other

30:44

places. I've read everything,

30:46

I've watched everything, I've seen everything, but

30:48

I've done nothing, right?

30:51

So what's more important that you've consumed a

30:53

lot of information and you haven't successfully applied

30:55

it, you know? So

30:57

that's, you know, I can characterize a

30:59

lot of different people that way, but that's, you

31:02

know, with all the content that's out there, I

31:04

think people consume a lot of information and come

31:06

in, prepared

31:08

academically, I guess, for lack of a better word. They have all

31:10

this information in their head and they think

31:13

they know it all. And then, you know, they're coming in,

31:15

they're, you know, squatting the empty bar. Robert,

31:17

sorry, real quick to follow up on that.

31:19

Do you think this trend of people coming

31:21

in sort of armed with more information and

31:23

education is progressed over time?

31:25

Like, whereas maybe when you first started, there

31:27

was less of that or did you question

31:30

what you're taking on that? It was definitely

31:32

less. And, you know, there's just a lot

31:34

more shit out there now. You know, eight

31:36

years ago, typically the typical client

31:38

that I would get from you guys was

31:41

female, 35, 55, does CrossFit

31:43

classes three to five days a week, may

31:45

have, may or may not have been in some sort of

31:47

a lifting sport. Usually that was more rare and

31:50

just wanted to learn how to lose fat, you know? And a

31:53

lot of the time I got a lot of latitude to, you

31:55

know, say, okay, this is what you need to do. And not

31:57

too much pushback. There were, you know, there's a

31:59

natural neuro... that kind of comes with dieting or

32:01

training really hard for something, just anything, you know?

32:03

I mean, Mike, yeah, I got

32:05

Mike, you and I both got doctorates that comes with

32:08

that too, you know? A lot of neuroticism going through

32:10

that process. You know, I can list a bunch of

32:12

different things, you know? So that's just, you know, if

32:14

you're coaching somebody, you're gonna deal with that, you know?

32:16

There's a lot of, from the person going through its

32:18

perspective, there's unknowns there. You may see the knowns, so

32:20

like, it's on me as the coach, be patient with

32:22

that, okay, this is unknown to this person. They don't,

32:24

you know, they don't see that it's gonna happen, you

32:26

know? But I'd say early on,

32:28

I didn't get as much, hey, wait a minute,

32:31

why are we doing this? I read this or saw

32:33

this here or saw this there. That's kind of trended

32:35

that way over the last, probably since the COVID years,

32:37

I'd say. That's where I really saw it start to

32:39

shift. Do you ever get any

32:41

people quoting Dr. Mike? All the time. But

32:44

Dr. Mike said, of course, please

32:46

feel free to I wanna be public with us and spot as

32:48

public. You just said, Dr. Mike is

32:50

a fucking idiot, he knows nothing. No,

32:52

I said that. It's a totally fine response. No, please, by

32:54

all means. No, I haven't said

32:56

that. I mean, I can joke on that. I tell

32:58

people that all the time, so. Yeah, so wait, I

33:01

can say that? Can I start saying that now? Oh,

33:03

fuck yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. Do that. I'm

33:05

not saying do you do that, do it. And CC

33:07

you. Yeah, hell yeah, and I'll

33:09

reply like fact. And they're like, wow, Dr. Mike.

33:11

Dude, let's just do it like WWE and start

33:13

like trolling each other with the client on the

33:15

thread. I

33:19

swear, you could almost turn all this fucking shit

33:21

into WWE, that's what I've concluded. When I sit

33:23

on social media and watch it, I'm like, man,

33:26

if these guys just all got together and agreed to

33:28

like, you know, make it fake and just start fucking

33:30

with each other and like, you know, make a

33:32

lot of money probably is how they used to do, you know, one

33:34

guy loses and the next guy loses, you just keep putting each other

33:36

over. World champ and then you're

33:38

no one the next day. Yeah, that I cut a

33:40

pro-po talking shit to you because you beat me, you

33:42

know? There you go.

33:44

That's what it started to. I think that's what

33:46

social media started to. Oh, sure, social media is

33:48

a dumpster fire. So what else

33:51

you got for us? What other client empowerment? Hold on,

33:53

I wanna hit. I'm sorry, Nick, no, no, I'm just

33:55

gonna ask you the questions. I'm Dr. Mike. It's

33:58

all about me, Mike. You, you. You

34:00

get YouTube. You get YouTube. This is

34:02

mine. This is mine. My domain. Robert,

34:07

so let's say you do get a client that's

34:09

like, Hey, well, you know, I watched this YouTube

34:11

video or I heard Dr. Mike say this. How

34:14

do you deal with that as a, as a coach? Cause like

34:17

the video is, is, is general. It's

34:20

not to speaking to an

34:22

individual. How do you deal with that? I

34:24

have to find the context in what they're citing usually, you

34:26

know, because you know,

34:29

I've watched enough of your stuff to know that I'd

34:31

never heard you like say there's absolutes, you

34:33

know, sometimes unlikely. Yeah.

34:36

You know, I, the, the, the, the, the exhausting thing I'd have to

34:38

go back and watch it, you know, cause I forget half the

34:40

shit you say, you know, did I forget half the shit I say,

34:42

man? People sent my own videos to me. And I'm like, I said

34:44

that dog. Yeah. I'm like, all right. I'm

34:47

like, okay, hold on. I'm like, cause I

34:49

kind of, I'm kind of used to your style now.

34:51

I'm like, he's not saying any absolutes. So for whatever

34:53

he said, there's probably another context where he said something

34:55

else, you know? Oh yeah. And that's

34:57

kind of where I start. I'm like, okay, what

35:00

are you saying? He said, what did he say?

35:02

Who does it apply to? You know, that, that,

35:04

that's brilliant, man. You know, on a quick, quick

35:06

tangent, because I literally get my own videos, like

35:08

not throwing back in my face, but kind of

35:10

like, but you said this, there

35:12

are a lot of folks and I totally

35:14

understand this predilection. They want

35:16

absolutes. Oh yeah. Absolute answers are

35:18

fucking great. Cause the answer is

35:20

three and a half. There you

35:22

go. That's it. It really, it

35:24

really does. And rarely

35:27

are there absolute answers in fitness, especially fitness

35:29

has applied to an individual. And

35:32

a lot of times what I'll get as far as

35:34

questions is like, you said this, what's the answer to

35:36

this? And I'm like, look, I'm

35:38

going to need a lot of specifics and they're like,

35:40

okay, I'll give you specifics. And I'm like, I'll have

35:42

to be your coach for that. Cause that's how many

35:44

specifics I need. And we'll have to test things out

35:47

on you and see how it goes.

35:49

And they're like, oh God damn it. And for

35:51

some things they're all great answers that are very

35:53

likely to be the case, but it

35:55

really is a trip. How many people really

35:58

just act as if like absolutes

36:00

are out there. And another

36:02

thing is you'll go way, way, way,

36:04

way, way out of your way to

36:06

do nuance and context and talk about

36:08

relatives and trade-offs and individualization. And some

36:11

people, most people are totally dope. They're

36:13

cool, they understand. But some people

36:15

will be like, okay, so the answer is three and

36:17

a half, right? And you're like, Jesus Christ, 30

36:20

minutes of fucking nuance later. You got nothing out of

36:22

that. It's a trip. I think some people will come

36:24

to their coach and say, well, Dr. Mike said I

36:27

can have carbs after 9 p.m. So

36:29

your diet says no carbs. So you're wrong.

36:31

And you're like, okay. You just told me that

36:33

anytime you have carbs late at night, you can't

36:35

fall asleep. And I'm like, right? So

36:38

let's try no carbs. Like, but Dr. Mike

36:40

said, God damn it, Dr. Mike doesn't know

36:42

that you can't do it. Nevermind. Yeah,

36:46

yeah, I get a lot of that, you know? You're

36:48

a popular guy. I'm

36:50

not a guy. I'm just a pathetic

36:52

idiot. You don't exist. No, I

36:54

mean, you know, the internet me is totally different than in

36:56

real life. A lot of people say that they're like, when

36:58

I meet you in real life, it's like everything you said

37:00

online is a lie and you're a caricature. Ghosts,

37:03

soulless, idiot piece of shit. They say

37:05

mean things. They throw rotten vegetables at

37:08

me, believe it or not. They

37:10

hurt. I say the opposite. I say the opposite.

37:13

Like, people ask me all the time, like, Dr. Mike really

37:15

liked that in person. I'm like, listen

37:18

here, Jake. You

37:20

got no idea. He's

37:22

even more insane. He's

37:25

even more like himself in real life than

37:27

he's liked himself. That's actually true. I know.

37:30

I remember we were recording some podcasts

37:32

called the Sports Scientist Podcast with a

37:34

few friends. That's the closest

37:36

we've ever come to getting canceled. Yeah, oh yeah.

37:39

Really? Long shot. Oh my God. I

37:41

wasn't on that one. Robert, I was not on that one. No,

37:43

Nick, I want to hear this. Well,

37:45

so, you know, it's all just jokes and we

37:47

answered questions and joked and made fun of people.

37:49

But someone made a comment that, oh,

37:52

like, this is what you guys, this is just

37:54

like what the guys joke about when the camera's

37:56

not on. And we like all had a real

37:58

good laugh at that backstage. we were like, if

38:01

we joked like we would without the camera

38:03

on the camera, we would last a third

38:05

of an episode and YouTube would kibosh us

38:07

and then like we would go to jail.

38:10

So yeah, no, they

38:12

don't fake anything on YouTube. And it really is. There's

38:14

more to me than I put on the internet, but

38:16

it's all kind of same, same, just more grandiose version

38:19

of that. Like if you think I'm an asshole, I'm

38:21

an even bigger asshole in real life. If you think

38:23

I'm cool, I'm really cool in real life. So anyway,

38:26

okay. So we got a kind of

38:29

come with a beginner's mind sort of situation,

38:31

right? Basically what about bandwidth? Do you

38:33

ever have a problem with people coming

38:35

in and they kind of have the

38:37

mentality of like, and like, here's my info, here's my shit,

38:39

write me a diet, just kind of get it done. And

38:41

I'll go and I'll get it done with, they kind of

38:43

don't realize the profundity of how much work they're going to

38:45

have to put in and how much correspondence they're going to

38:47

have to give and how much meal prep they're going to

38:49

have to do. Tell us a story about that. Sure. Yeah.

38:51

I know. Like, you know, they'll come in and they'll say,

38:53

here it is. They'll give me an abundance of information. I'll

38:55

put it together and they'll be like, what do I do?

38:57

You know, and then

39:01

I'd just have to go through and kind of explain it. I'm

39:03

like, look, it looks like a lot, but it's actually pretty simple.

39:05

You know, you got your five categories. You're just, you know, plugging

39:07

and chugging here, you know, then I kind of walk them through

39:09

it where they really get surprises when

39:11

that they're training clients and I want them to

39:13

get a tripod and get a camera and buy

39:16

micro plates and buy shoes and other things. And

39:18

they're like, what lifting is this complicated? And I'm

39:20

like, well, it's not incredibly complicated, but it's a

39:22

lot more than, you know, your, I guess they

39:24

don't look at magazines anymore, your social media videos

39:27

and, you know, the global gym, yeah,

39:29

make it out to be, you know, there's, there's

39:31

specific movements, you know, some easier than others, some less

39:33

technical than others, but that's where they, that's where they

39:35

really get kind of shocked. Cause I've, I've form checked

39:37

every workout with my clients.

39:39

Wow. Folks are getting a great deal

39:42

on that, man. That's awesome. Yeah.

39:44

I've been, I've been told by

39:46

Hunter that I'm doing too much, but

39:48

you like being told by Hunter, you're not doing

39:51

enough. Yeah. Robert,

39:53

you, you, you love doing that though. I just

39:55

don't feel comfortable giving somebody a training program and

39:57

not seeing what, what their exercises

39:59

look like. Have you

40:01

ever seen really wild discrepancies between the reps

40:03

in a reserve people say they're doing and

40:05

what they're actually doing? Yep. Yep.

40:08

That's why this direction does that trend both or

40:10

is there more of like people go harder than

40:13

They say or people go easier than they say

40:15

or is it is a gender bias situation there?

40:18

What about that they tend to go easier most

40:20

of the time if you're dealing with somebody who's

40:22

not competed in anything It tends to just look

40:24

like a workout full of warm-ups So

40:27

I use it a little bit differently So I just use

40:30

RP because that's where I started so I just kind of

40:32

stayed there Same concept

40:34

though And I will use that usually in

40:36

the first few months because there's a lot

40:38

of variability in the way they move You

40:40

know and they and that's what

40:42

I used to what I used to do is I

40:44

would prescribe load every time and then what? What happened

40:46

was well, why'd you add weight when last time you

40:48

told me to repeat it, you know and like shit

40:50

like that would happen So I'm like, okay I'm like

40:52

I'm my some my baseline assumption is I

40:54

can't fix them in five minutes the way I can here

40:56

So we're just gonna put an RPE in there to keep

40:59

them safe so they're not adding a bunch of weight to a

41:01

lift that looks like shit and Once

41:03

I start seeing more and more reproducible reps then

41:05

like on certain exercises I'll start prescribing load obviously

41:07

the bigger ones and then the smaller ones that

41:09

can't be finally loaded then I kind of keep

41:11

that In there but in general it'll look and

41:14

general to look like a workout full of warm-ups most of

41:16

the time if I get someone Who's competitive? That's why I've

41:18

never used it on someone who was competitive But I remember

41:20

when somebody had me do it and this is why I

41:22

don't use it on competitive people I would try to go

41:24

really heavy on the bench press or the lift that I

41:26

liked and then I'd not go heavy enough on The lifts

41:28

I didn't like oh, yeah, I squatted enough sure.

41:30

I mean I'd still put enough on that wasn't

41:32

like a serial offender But like I noticed that

41:35

like I'd go and I'd go RP

41:37

10 or our zero on a bench press But

41:39

I wouldn't necessarily and when I was supposed to

41:41

be an eight or seven or you know Two

41:43

or three or whatever, but then I wouldn't

41:45

do the same on a squatter deadlift Because

41:48

that's hard hard yeah, fuck

41:50

that I don't even squand I left anymore man

41:53

I don't even do anything anymore. I don't even lift to be

41:57

What order did they disappear the overhead press what first?

42:00

that they'd great the other than first. I

42:02

still bench press every now and again. I

42:06

can't deadlift because of a spinal

42:08

injury I sustained in jiu-jitsu to my

42:10

neck. I definitely

42:13

squat when given the opportunity. I haven't done free

42:15

squats in some time, but just

42:17

because the stimulus to fatigue ratio isn't ideal for

42:19

me at my size and strength anymore and the

42:21

fact that I'm trying to train my quads and

42:23

not overall strength and movement ability. The

42:26

overhead press, I just do not,

42:29

my arms are too big to touch anything

42:31

remotely close to my chest. I was like,

42:33

fuck that. Yeah, seriously, legit, my forearms and

42:35

biceps will touch when I'm halfway down and

42:37

I'm like, okay, I can barely shave my

42:39

face at this point. It's

42:41

sweet, but it's also not sweet. And

42:46

the overhead press is like a ball or strength

42:48

movement just from manhood, but as far as stimulus

42:50

to fatigue ratio for just your front delts, I've

42:53

had a full body cramp doing standing overhead

42:55

presses before. Your quads start

42:57

cramping. I've got that, I've got. Oh yeah, and you're

42:59

like, is exactly the point of

43:02

this other than to fuck me up

43:04

and make me brutal? And so

43:06

yeah, bodybuilding's lame in the sense that you're training

43:08

hard, but you're also trying to very baby, very

43:10

much baby your body in that specific context. Well

43:12

yeah, I tried to fuck her out with that

43:15

for what? Almost two years. I

43:17

started getting a bunch of tendonitis and I'm like, oh, what

43:19

the fuck, you know? And I had a lot of- Overhead

43:21

pressing? No, just doing that,

43:23

but I added a bunch of single joint

43:25

stuff and tried to follow a hypertrophy program

43:27

for like, then once I got past nine

43:29

or 12 months, of course

43:31

I was trying to add load every time, then

43:34

shit just started hurting and then I learned a

43:36

few things there. That sucks. Do you have clients

43:38

that when you tell them, hey, listen, we're

43:40

gonna stop you progressing in load and we're gonna work on your

43:42

technique. Do you have anyone push back on that? And they're

43:44

like, no, I think it's fine. No,

43:47

not really. That's good. Yeah, I haven't

43:49

really dealt with that too much.

43:51

When people come here, I'd screen that out by saying,

43:53

like in person, I mean, you

43:56

have to get a training session because everybody here lives the same. So,

43:58

you know. Yeah. pretty much with somebody someone

44:01

like that. Yeah. Some people that what I've

44:03

gotten more of, and I think part of this

44:05

is because most of our clients are coming for fat loss,

44:07

or it's usually how it's been for most

44:09

of the time I've been here is what the hell that

44:11

wasn't hard enough. Why am I redoing this? And it's like,

44:14

you know, what's on this tech? What's with this technique stuff?

44:16

I didn't come here to learn how to move, you know,

44:18

I came here to lose fat. So

44:21

this is an industry wide thing that, you know, I'm

44:23

curious to hear your thoughts on it, because I'm sure

44:25

you've observed it, maybe have a different take on it.

44:27

But there's this expectation that what

44:30

you do in the weight room should feel

44:32

like endurance exercise. And I've been like really

44:34

hammering people on their completely different stimuli, whether

44:36

you're bodybuilding or powerlifting, it's not supposed to

44:38

feel like cardio with weights, you know, but

44:41

that's the expectation. And I see it

44:43

crossing sexes and different groups, whatever, like

44:45

people that come to us for fat

44:47

loss, they think that the weight room

44:49

workout should feel like, you know, cardio

44:51

workout, heart rate. Yeah, that ain't it,

44:53

man. And if it feels like cardio,

44:56

because you're resting very short between sets,

44:58

within the sets, it should feel like

45:00

it's breaking you into pieces through

45:02

heavy resistance. But yeah, then some,

45:05

I guess folks... Well,

45:08

it's the wanting to go hard thing, I think, Mike,

45:11

that we talked about. It's

45:13

wanting to go hard, but it's also wanting

45:15

like everything to be ultra specific. It's like

45:17

you give someone a diet, you give someone

45:19

like a plenty of carbohydrate after a weight

45:21

training workout. And they're on a fat loss

45:23

plan. And they're like, does this

45:26

make me leaner? And you're like, no, this part grows your muscle. And

45:28

they're like, but I want to get lean. And I'm like, yes,

45:30

but if we don't grow muscle while getting leaner, you're

45:32

going to get really skinny and frail and you're going

45:35

to suck. They're okay. And there's

45:37

every food, every movement, every lift, every

45:39

step is going to be leaner, leaner,

45:41

leaner, leaner. And you're like, yes, believe

45:43

it or not, this is not a

45:45

unidirectional logical flow. It's like

45:47

pointing to a computer, like you get a CPU and

45:49

you point at the fan and you're like, is this

45:51

the processing unit? You're like, no, that's the processing unit.

45:54

They point to the fucking, the

45:56

fucking plastic container. Like this also does information

45:58

processing. Like, I don't know. Are you out

46:00

of your fucking mind? Like it's not everything does

46:02

the thing that you're here for, the way the

46:04

world, it's like trying to go

46:07

to McDonald's, ordering a fucking burger and fries and

46:09

trying to eat the tray too. Not everything here

46:11

is made of food. So when you're trying to

46:13

lose fat, not everything in your program is gonna

46:16

be proximately targeting fat loss. You have the overall

46:18

calorie deficit that shit, but believe it or not,

46:20

like high protein diet with plenty of carbs or

46:22

on workouts, it ensures you against muscle

46:24

loss. And that is a thing that we consider, yeah,

46:26

100%. If you're on meth,

46:29

yeah, you can try to eat the tray I suppose. Oof,

46:32

yeah, just you're using your meth superpowers for

46:34

you know, you could be doing like

46:36

running into the dumpster head first in the parking lot.

46:38

That's also fun. Do you

46:40

guys have a meth thing in Phoenix or no? Probably,

46:43

I don't know. Okay. I

46:45

don't know, meth circles. Down where I can break the best.

46:48

Down where I can break the air. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

46:50

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was Albuquerque, that's Mexico. No, no,

46:52

I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. Same

46:55

area, same general area of the country is what I mean.

46:58

Michigan and Ohio are different places.

47:00

Oh, oh, Michigan and Ohio, I

47:02

know. Whoa,

47:05

whoa, completely different

47:07

places. Michigan and Ohio are identical

47:10

places except for two places within

47:12

them. Columbus, Ohio, specifically

47:14

the campus of The Ohio State

47:16

University and Ann Arbor, Michigan. Specifically

47:18

the campus of The

47:20

University of Michigan. And then everywhere else

47:23

is identical. But those two places are

47:25

just, it's like heaven and hell. And

47:27

they alternate depending on which university you

47:29

like best. Yeah, and- It's

47:32

like fucking Illinois and Iowa, you take Chicago out, it's

47:34

the same shit. Oh, fuck yeah, fuck yeah. If I

47:36

dropped you off in fucking rural Illinois and I took

47:38

your blindfold off, like where are you, you'd be like,

47:42

there could be about 80 places. Yeah.

47:46

If you drive for, so when I drove

47:48

to the West Coast, Illinois, Iowa, Nebraska, and

47:50

eastern Colorado look like the same place. Yes, like

47:53

three quarters of Colorado looks like anywhere else in

47:55

the fucking plains. And you go up north, like

47:57

the Dakotas, like the fucking same, everything's the fucking

47:59

same. The Midwest is like the most boring place

48:01

on earth. I like it. I think it's great,

48:04

but it's not for everyone. Um,

48:06

I am just trying to be responsible and keeping

48:08

track of time. So do we want to move

48:10

to wrap up questions? Should I really do

48:13

my question? Is it like mandatory now that we do this? Let's

48:17

do it. Okay. Robert, it's late at

48:19

night. You're at a grocery store. It's just

48:21

you and an attendant and one other person.

48:24

And you're like going through the auto checkout line

48:26

a couple of miles over and the

48:28

grocery store attendant is, um, uh,

48:30

isn't that it was a cashier and she's checking someone

48:32

out and she's like a frail old woman and the,

48:34

and the, and the guy she's checking out, he's

48:36

like, oh, it's overweight. He's like probably 250 pounds.

48:39

He's like five foot seven, but it's not athletic.

48:41

Just really, really over fat. And,

48:43

uh, he's berating this lady. I mean, just

48:45

yelling at her swear words. He's making it

48:47

racial, even though the same race. Um,

48:50

and, uh, just like totally out of his mind, like

48:52

ready to fight her type of shit. What do you

48:54

do? Well, of course you try to fight it, right?

48:56

Start yelling at him and assume that you could take

48:59

it off. I'm kidding. Listen,

49:01

we've had every coach has been asked this and everyone's

49:03

had a little slightly different answer. You

49:06

know, you try to vote what I do

49:08

in that situation. Yeah, no wrong answer.

49:10

What do you have your dog with you? I guess it's

49:12

the first. Oh fuck. Let's say you, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

49:14

yeah. You have your dog with you. That complicates things. Cause

49:16

as soon as you try to push them away, your dog,

49:19

you're going to fucking kill that guy. I have

49:21

my dog with me and I probably approached the

49:23

situation calmly. If I was to, if I saw

49:25

that it was a reason to approach it, you

49:27

know, because typically in a grocery store, you'd think

49:30

that her coworkers are going to help her. No,

49:32

there's no coworkers, Rob. She's like, this is just,

49:34

yeah, exactly. It's like, okay, I can leave and

49:36

this guy can totally fuck this lady up or

49:38

I can try, I can try to deescalate, right?

49:40

So I, you know, that's, what I try to

49:43

deescalate and not try to do anything

49:45

aggressive. But if he got aggressive

49:47

with me, he's got the dog to get through.

49:49

Right. That's going to be a real straightforward fight.

49:51

A fucking Malinois is a deterrent, you know, like

49:54

I wouldn't make him bark or anything. He'd just be next to

49:56

me and people kind of recognize it. No,

49:59

he's like your dog. It looks pathetic. I've got

50:01

a fucking mastiff at home that eat your fucking

50:03

dumbass dog. You can't do anything until he tries

50:05

to take a swing at you. Right,

50:08

so let's say he swings at you. Do you say

50:10

the command? Depends

50:12

if I think I can take him. Nice,

50:14

so you're like, hey, I don't want, chill

50:16

for a sec, watch that. I don't want

50:18

my fucking dog put down because he bit

50:20

some dumbass at the grocery store. Facts. I

50:22

got to protect the dog first. Now

50:26

if I'm getting subdued, now we got a different situation.

50:30

Like John Wick 4. John Wick 4, exactly.

50:32

The dog goes after people. That was a

50:35

bad one. Yeah, of course.

50:37

What if you are like, for

50:41

some reason, like you're not fucking with the guy? Let's

50:44

say you're like, you have like a leg and a cast and you

50:46

can't even do it. So you tell the dog to

50:49

attack, but he just goes right for the

50:51

lady instead. Is there like a command to like, you're

50:53

like, yo, you got the wrong, the wrong fucking person.

50:56

Yeah, they have out commands. What, does

50:58

your dog know him yet? That

51:00

he knows. I know how to manually do

51:02

it. Cause when he bit

51:04

the decoy head manually, I basically put my hands under

51:06

the chain that he wears around his neck. And then

51:08

I pushed into his head and then he let go.

51:12

That's how I did it. But I can't do it in

51:15

that situation. So there's gotta be sound commands. I

51:17

haven't gotten that far yet. You better not get in

51:19

that store situation anytime until you get those commands done.

51:21

Cause that lady is gonna be a fucking world of

51:23

hurt. I can't use that dog as a weapon right

51:25

now. He's not fully trained for that. The

51:28

blunt sword. Yeah. Robert,

51:32

two other questions. Oh, okay. So continue.

51:35

De-escalation, that's where I would want to go.

51:37

That's a fine answer. Yeah. A

51:39

couple of real quick rapid fire. Robert,

51:41

I want you to know that I said,

51:45

hey Mike, when the coach is around, we should do rapid fire. That

51:49

was Mike's version of rapid fire. That was the

51:51

first question he asked. I'm just like. It

51:54

took like five minutes to ask the first time.

51:56

That sounds constrained in a little bit. Five

51:59

minutes. later after Nathan got through

52:02

his answer. Yeah. I was

52:04

like, okay, that's a good

52:06

fire. The guy's 55 years old. He looks

52:08

like a biker. He has a blue shirt on. No, no, wait. He

52:10

has a purple shirt. Uh,

52:14

actual rapid fire Robert was sure. So,

52:16

uh, favorite food, two types. So what's

52:18

your favorite food to go to in terms of like

52:20

cheat meal and just that kind of normal, um, you

52:22

know, normal meal that you like to eat all

52:24

the time. If I'm going to do a

52:26

cheat meal or just say, fuck it,

52:28

I'd probably go to Indian food, North Indian

52:31

specifically. I'm a big fan of North Indian

52:33

specifically, my man. Yeah. So culture

52:35

North Indian food is fucking good too. Fucking

52:37

awesome. South Indians good too, but I really

52:39

like North Indian. South Indian. Too

52:42

spicy for me. I'll add a little bit as to what

52:44

North Indian food would be. Uh,

52:46

so like, you know, your chicken tikka masala, your, you

52:48

know, coconut curries, things like that. I thought that the

52:50

North is spicier in the South. So you have only

52:52

had South once and I went there and I was

52:54

eating it. This was in a place in a Venice

52:56

in LA. And I was like,

52:58

this doesn't taste like the shit I get. Everywhere else. And

53:00

then my Indian friend was like, Oh, that's cause it's South

53:02

Indian here. You know, I actually said that backwards. I'm a

53:04

fucking idiot. Ignore me. Um, North

53:07

Indian food is basically meat and rice,

53:09

but it's like just tastier than regular

53:11

food, the sauces and the

53:14

smells and the flavors. It's fucking Indians

53:16

close that shit down, bro. Fucking good.

53:18

It's like, I don't

53:21

have a good analogy. It's kind of, nah,

53:23

I wouldn't say it's close to Mexican food.

53:25

No, it's just a whole nother ballpark. I

53:27

would say like from the perspective of if

53:29

an Indian person went and like had like

53:31

central European food, it would be like switching

53:33

from HD TV to like a 1950s

53:36

black and white TV where there's no flavor

53:39

here. This is the fuck. It's

53:41

when does the flavor comment? I go, this is it.

53:44

For those of you listening, you gotta be careful when they ask

53:46

you how spicy you want it because you have to like, you

53:48

know, look at your hand.

53:50

Yeah. Remember that you're white and be easy. It's,

53:55

you know, mild is actually hot. Oh,

53:58

fuck. Yeah. I just

54:00

say white people mild and they're like, got it. I

54:03

used to have a tolerance for Indian spicy. I

54:05

can't do it anymore. No way reduced. Cause when

54:07

I lived in LA, I ate it more often.

54:10

So I was eating like at least once a

54:12

week, twice a week sometimes. And

54:14

I got to a point where I went, okay,

54:16

Indian spicy managed. It was good, but now that

54:18

would like, had me sweating dark purple, not happening.

54:22

It's so fucking good. Can you

54:24

make it not spicy? Like no, that's what I do,

54:26

bro. I'm just no spice. And then people usually look

54:28

at you weird. Yeah. No space.

54:30

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm a,

54:32

I'm a wussy. Yeah. It deals with my favorite

54:34

cheat food for sure. Favorite dessert. Favorite

54:37

dessert, probably ice cream. I'm

54:40

simple. What flavor? Demo

54:42

save vanilla. Don't do it, Robert. Don't do it.

54:45

That's probably chocolate. So any chocolate flavor, any of

54:47

brownies or chocolate. Yeah. Brownies are fine. Cookies

54:49

and cream. That's pretty good too. Anything chocolate.

54:51

Um, I do like butter. I do like butter

54:53

pecan though. That's pretty good. I didn't

54:56

know you haven't had that in ages. I didn't know you were

54:58

75 years old, Robert. That's what everybody

55:00

says to me, man. Really?

55:03

That's an old people thing. I

55:06

like you guys. I work here. You guys are already, you

55:09

got, you got, you got Brewsters out there, right? Uh,

55:13

the fuck B R

55:15

U S T. But we're not 85 years old. The

55:17

fuck are you talking about? Ice cream shop. We have

55:19

the internet. You're looking at the internet. Yes, I have

55:21

about right now talking to you. I

55:25

like butter, but God, ice cream. Fuck it, man. That's

55:27

custard though. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. This

55:30

is the show on which we ask you. Oh,

55:32

did you really? Yeah. So, and so like you could

55:34

kind of tell when people are walking up, you could

55:36

just sort of predict what flavor they were going to

55:39

get. And you know, old elderly people generally. This is

55:41

the podcast in which we ask you your favorite foods

55:43

and then make fun of you for answering. Yes. Got

55:45

it. The only way to do it.

55:49

There's no right answer. Yeah.

55:52

Okay. So, uh, last one then favorite movie

55:54

of all time. Ooh.

55:56

Only one. Only one? Fuck.

56:00

doesn't have to be your favorite favorite, but what makes

56:02

your top five? It's got to be something that's solid

56:04

in your top five row. And I've

56:06

had, I guess the same one comes to mind that

56:08

has for the last, what is it?

56:10

Almost 30 years, 29 years in a brave heart. Classic

56:15

solid answer. Never seen it. Believe it or not. No

56:17

intention of seeing it. Don't care. Don't even start. Three

56:19

hours. Is it three hours long? Yeah.

56:23

It was a two VHS deal back

56:25

then. Now it's obviously. That's right. You

56:28

know, um, I heard it's a lot like Lord

56:30

of the rings, but less violent. Is that true?

56:33

It's pretty fucking violent. Was

56:36

Lord of the rings that violent? No, I'm kidding. I was

56:38

being totally sarcastic. I was going to say, I'm like, I

56:40

don't remember that being violent. I saw them all. Yeah.

56:44

Braveheart is pretty good. That's my, that's

56:46

my favorite all time movie. If

56:48

you go down the list, I'd say pulp fiction would be next. Also,

56:51

we've never seen it. Titanic. What? What? Mike

56:55

only watches terrible movies. I've

56:57

seen every single movie Steven Seagal has ever made.

57:01

I watched those. Terrible. Did

57:03

you watch that more recent one where he's in Russia

57:05

and he takes the Asian girl at the end. He's

57:07

like, she's staying with me. You

57:09

just described the last five of his movies. He's

57:12

got a girl with like a third of his age. That's

57:15

what he does. Yo. So. My

57:19

friend's like, dude, did you get to watch this? So that the

57:21

ad, like he saves the girl and he's got a beard. It's

57:23

like dyed black. But she

57:25

walks forward, takes one step. He's like, she stayed

57:27

with me. Yo

57:29

guys, I have on pretty good record.

57:31

I won't say who told me this,

57:33

but Steven Seagal was exactly

57:35

like that in real life. I

57:38

can believe it. Oh, my friend met him here at the gun club.

57:40

Yeah. He said he just stands there and he's

57:42

all like talks in that like monotone

57:47

that he talks in. Steven

57:49

Seagal. He's like, you know

57:51

who I am. Apparently he was like bitching

57:53

about like something there. Yes, that fits with what

57:55

I heard. And then my buddy's

57:57

like, he was bitching about something and he's like, He's

58:00

fucking huge. He's like six six and he's fat

58:02

or some shit. Yeah, he's real fat. They said

58:04

he's like really big is what he was saying.

58:06

Like just size wise, not like muscular big. He's

58:09

a big fucking dude. The fact that he's still

58:11

alive is a testament to just raw genetics. Right.

58:14

Still there. Anyway,

58:18

Robert, folks wanna sign up with you for

58:20

coaching. Go to the RP site, rpstrength.com. They

58:22

can sign up there. What about your social

58:24

media handle? The underscore Robert underscore

58:26

Santana on Instagram. I'm lazy on the other

58:28

ones. Awesome. People

58:31

can DM me there if they have any questions or wanna follow

58:33

up about stuff. Awesome. Robert, man, thanks

58:35

for hopping on. Thanks for spending an hour

58:37

with us and answering the questions. No,

58:40

beaves and butthead this time. It was great, dude. You're

58:42

great at this, man. You got a great podcast voice

58:44

and presence. Also excellent microphone and

58:46

sound setup. Thank you, sir. Was

58:48

it that SM7B? SM7B.

58:52

Nice, way to shout it out. Yeah, awesome.

58:54

Folks, thanks so much for tuning in. We will

58:56

catch you all on the next episode. We appreciate

58:58

you all. Peace.

59:01

Peace.