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rumbles up to the school's entrance and halls.
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Emptying into its yard, a horde
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of heavily armed men, many of their
2:07
faces hidden behind ski masks. They're
2:09
stoned with tactical gear and magazines
2:12
and firing beat up Kanashnikov rifles
2:14
into the blue sky with chilling cries
2:16
of Allahu Akbar. They're
2:19
young and bearded and they're speaking
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Chechen, the language of Nulfasetia's
2:24
war and crime-ravaged neighbor. Some
2:27
seem like experienced soldiers. Others
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illiterate thoughts. A couple of
2:31
women who wear
2:33
alongside their black hijabs, chunky
2:35
explosive belts. One
2:38
father primes a pistol and fires at the horde. He's
2:40
dead in seconds. Other men of fighting
2:43
age are executed, leaving the remaining men,
2:45
women and children over a thousand
2:48
of them to be herded like goats into
2:50
a sprawling sports hall, which
2:52
the terrorist bedizm with a series of nail-packed
2:55
bucket bombs, strung together with
2:57
wire like diabolical black
2:59
pinatas. If any of you
3:02
resist us, one of the killers tells the parents,
3:04
we will kill the children and leave the ones
3:07
who resist alive. As
3:09
a Russian military veteran, Kazbek
3:11
Mizikov knows very well who
3:13
his murderous cats are and the
3:16
long, brutal decades of conflict
3:18
out of which they've emerged. In a Chechnya
3:21
that has since the days of Stalingrad
3:23
sink gangsters and warlords and
3:26
gun runners and Salafist Mujahideen coalesce
3:28
into one lawless republic,
3:31
hell bent on violent revenge, no
3:33
matter if hundreds of innocent children
3:36
are their victims. Chechens
3:38
have lived in fear of brutal death from above
3:40
since the early 90s. Now
3:43
their most radical sons and daughters are
3:45
turning the tables. Kazbek
3:48
glares at the bucket bomb hanging above his head and
3:50
wonders if there's something he can do, anything
3:53
to prevent further bloodshed. It's
3:56
hot and sweaty and there are
3:58
sites trained in him from almost every other. angle. If
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the bomb's wires are tripped, he realises, they'll
4:03
blow shrapnel into the skulls of him, his
4:06
wife and their two sons, and
4:08
kill them all instantly. Kasmin
4:11
can't fight. Instead, he
4:13
clasts a stretch of the wire in his hands, silently
4:16
and surreptitiously kneading it like play-doh
4:18
until there's a crimp. He does this
4:21
over and over, outside, for hours.
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If he can break the wire, the bomb won't explode.
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But as a veteran himself, he knows something else
4:29
and it turns his blood cold. The
4:32
Russian army won't just sit back and watch this play
4:34
out. They're coming, with
4:36
gas and grenades and gunfire. And
4:39
when they do, people are going to die. So
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Kasbek keeps turning the wire moment
4:44
by moment. It's the only hope he
4:47
has to save his family. Whatever
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happens next, God only knows.
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Welcome to the Underwood. Hi
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guys, it's Deep Breath now and welcome
5:10
to the Underworld podcast, the show where we tell you stories
5:13
about global organised crime without saying
5:16
kinda a million times. Although quite
5:18
a few. I'm your host, El Teiroa Sean Williams,
5:20
Kia ora Te Wiki or Te Ria Maui,
5:22
by the way. I'm joined by Daddy Gold in
5:24
New York City. We are two journalists who've
5:26
been all over the world in trenches, trap
5:29
houses and toilet cubicles. And
5:31
today's episode is the second of three parts
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on our history of what some might call the
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Chechen Mafia, but far more than
5:38
that, weaving through war and terror
5:40
and oligarchs and auto plants and drugs and
5:42
riots and political assassinations and, yes,
5:45
MMA fighters with cauliflower ears and
5:47
pointy beards. Yeah, I mean, hopefully
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we'll get to the NoHo Hank origin story too
5:52
in this episode. But what was the
5:54
saying kinda a million times? Is that a reference
5:57
or some sort of slight to some other podcast
5:59
that I didn't know? recognise? Yeah I
6:01
think I've been listening to too many crap podcasts
6:03
doing the research for these ones. Yeah
6:07
I really don't need to know what people think
6:10
about Chechens from certain
6:12
podcasts but anyway anything
6:14
else we should be mentioning up top? I don't
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know I think if this show's going out I
6:19
think maybe one of my stories is out maybe
6:21
two of them one of them
6:23
actually our patreon subscribers actually encountered
6:25
around 18 months ago so we'll
6:27
do something on that for sure any
6:30
other stuff you've been working on one or shout out any colleagues
6:32
whose input you've been enjoying lately? Not not
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really yeah you're still getting sued
6:37
right a hundred hundred million I think I last
6:39
I heard it still getting sued we got to find a way
6:42
to get some attention because that's a that's
6:45
a big number yeah it's a it's
6:47
a little bit more than we make on the podcast
6:49
and I might actually have to buy a suit if I'm going
6:51
to be summoned to a to a court appearance
6:54
in California somewhere but that will
6:56
be fun. Something tells me can you
6:58
sue someone under a fake name I don't know. Something
7:00
tells me I might get thrown out but um oh
7:03
our friend Lily is running the TikTok
7:05
for us where she's doing these like cool one-minute videos
7:08
I think it's at the underworld pod if you
7:10
guys are or the underworld podcast if you guys are on TikTok
7:12
definitely go follow her on
7:15
that because she's working really hard and
7:17
I just like I the first time I opened TikTok I just
7:19
gave up right away like there was no chance that was gonna
7:21
work what else patreon.com slash
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underworld podcast for bonus
7:25
episodes which we have like almost one a week now
7:28
I think yeah Instagram is always
7:30
the merch at underworld pod.com all
7:32
that advertised with us so I can stop
7:35
having to say these things but yeah
7:37
you know I'm excited about this you've done I mean
7:39
the last episode on unchecked and stuff was incredible
7:41
I feel like I'm actually learning a lot from you during
7:44
these. I aim to I aim to educate
7:47
but yeah it's I mean this is like one of the most fascinating
7:49
subjects like I thought I knew a little bit about
7:51
it but there's just millions and millions of more stuff
7:54
that's behind all of this I mean
7:56
I you know I realized some of you may have had to
7:58
press pause and touch grass after to that intro
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and yeah we're gonna head back to Beslan and the
8:03
siege and what happened next later
8:05
in the episode. It's like it's a really
8:08
pivotal moment not just for Chechnya but
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modern Russian history. The response
8:12
to it, Putin's involvement and what it did to the
8:14
elusive concept of an independent
8:16
Chechnyan state. Yeah, I think as
8:18
I was reading this I was like isn't there some theory
8:21
that Putin was behind this but I was confused.
8:23
That's the apartment bombings right from years earlier.
8:25
Here the scandal was like the inept
8:27
response right? Yeah, I mean inept
8:31
is like a very passive way of putting it. These
8:33
guys go in like completely
8:35
batshit when they get a sniff of
8:37
a parrot act like this. So yeah
8:40
this fits the thing that was going on for years and years.
8:42
And yeah we'll get to the apartment bombings too. Very
8:45
very controversial moment in
8:48
I guess like European history really. But
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the story of Kaczbek Myszkow as well. I
8:53
got that mostly of course. I think plenty
8:55
of people will know from CJ Chivas' Esquire
8:57
article The School. It's
8:59
just like an amazing bit of work. I think one of the
9:01
best long form articles I've ever read.
9:04
It's on the list for subscribers of course. Any
9:07
feature articles you've thought or ate of late?
9:09
I mean I read read Michael Lidl's one
9:11
about the mad Russian Senate Ducky New York
9:13
director for GQ last week
9:16
as I was doing Russian stuff. That's one of my all time
9:18
faves. No, I mean I'm reading
9:20
Wanderings by Hayyim Polikov but that's not really
9:23
our underworld niche. But oh
9:25
yeah our friend Zik has his book out
9:27
on crypto I think. It came out this week and there
9:29
was a... Oh yeah I got the
9:31
email. Yeah yeah yeah that's going to be great. I mean there was an
9:33
excerpt in New York magazine which was fantastic. But
9:36
he's just a funny dude
9:39
who covered all the grifters
9:41
and con artists and all that. So I'm looking forward to
9:43
reading that. What's it called? Money Go
9:44
Up?
9:45
Money Go Up. Yeah
9:48
I've got a PDF copy of that because I think we're going
9:50
to do something with Zigzang on
9:52
that book. Yeah it was great. It was a
9:54
whole lot of organized crime going on there. Yeah
9:57
that's going to be awesome. So to get
9:59
you guys... up to speed on this pretty
10:02
whopping free part on Chechnya so
10:04
far. Last episode we went
10:06
from ancient Chechnya in history through its invasion
10:08
at the hands of the Mongols, the Russian Empire,
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you've got Islamist freedom fighters,
10:13
Stalin's purges and the birth
10:15
of Chechen organized crime in exile
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across what is nowadays Kazakhstan
10:20
and Russian Siberia. And then we
10:22
had the fall of communism and the increasing
10:24
collusion between Chechen gangsters and
10:27
rebels in its independence movement and
10:29
a grisly double murder of course in central
10:32
London. Now that killing happened in 1993 and
10:35
it resulted in the revenge killing of an innocent British
10:38
woman in the sleepy town of Woking
10:40
of all places the following year. And
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that's where we're picking up for part two and
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in case you're wondering no it doesn't get any
10:47
less crazy from now on nor will it do in
10:49
the third episode so hold on to your butts
10:52
guys here we go. That whole sorry
10:54
episode the BBC journalist the Armenian
10:57
pool attendant the KGB killers
10:59
and the Utsiev brothers on a mission either to
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buy weapons steel contracts and oil
11:04
for the Chechnya independence movement or
11:06
just to take all the cocaine in London and that's
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a lot. This is when we
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see Chechen organized crime and
11:13
the gears of its political players all grinding
11:15
together as one. And this is coming
11:17
at a time when I probably don't need to
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mention the Soviet Union has collapsed
11:22
and its largest former constituent
11:24
and seat of power the now Russian
11:26
Federation is a complete basket
11:29
case free for all. Russian
11:31
corruption of course is older than Rasputin
11:33
but in the embers of the Soviet Union it
11:35
really really goes bananas. You've got
11:37
scams on minerals, scams on currency
11:39
something called the Great Ruble scam which is when the Russian
11:42
deputy PM sanctions a bunch of Western businessmen
11:45
to buy billions of dollars worth of exchange
11:47
but they're all actual Ukrainian
11:49
con artists. It's mad. Yeah we have
11:51
that great episode on the on those car wars
11:53
right? Toilati however you say it. Yeah yeah
11:55
yeah. And
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I think I've always want to do something on the aluminum wars, which
12:01
was like a big industry
12:03
mafiosa war there. Maybe I'll get a Stravs, get a right,
12:05
something up on it. You know, I was about
12:07
to fly to Toliakti to write
12:10
that story for a big American
12:12
magazine. And then, well, we
12:14
know what happened, but yeah, it's pretty hard to get
12:16
there these days.
12:17
Anyway,
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on December 26, 1991, the Soviet Union is formally broken
12:20
up. And
12:25
might I add Albania is still going strong
12:27
under communism, but I just thought I'd get the Albanians
12:30
in there. But politically, things are still a
12:32
power kick. In 1993, Communist
12:34
Party chiefs are pissed off at Russian President Boris
12:37
Yeltsin. Yes, that Yeltsin of the
12:39
drunk dancing and the nose, more noble
12:41
than the druid's pimp stick. He's dishing
12:43
out mineral wealth and formerly state-owned conglomerates
12:46
to oligarch pals like Kandy, creating
12:48
the world's biggest black market in everything
12:50
from tanks to tongues to minds. Yeah,
12:53
Moscow in the 90s, I mean, I know we're talking Russia,
12:55
but Moscow then just seems like the most
12:57
insane place, like a party scene like Kaligula,
13:00
thousands of murders. I mean, if you ever
13:02
seen the numbers for murders in Moscow during the 90s, it's
13:04
insane. Yeah,
13:07
yeah. Like thousands. Well, we're going to get...
13:09
Mafia wars over like ball-bearing factories and stuff
13:11
like that, you know, just insane. Yeah, I mean, remember
13:13
that Toliakti episode? There are people like fighting
13:15
over the windscreen wiper
13:18
section of the company, like, and people are dropping
13:20
in their dozens over that. It's fully
13:22
mad. I mean, I remember the first time I went to Moscow and
13:24
it felt very, very
13:27
un-European and like moody. And I went
13:29
to a few of those old famous bars that people talked
13:31
about, I think is one of them called the
13:33
Pravda Bar or the Propaganda Bar. It's
13:36
really a very, very weird vibe.
13:39
I remember going to a bar in the bottom of the
13:41
Ministry of Defense or the Ministry of Information
13:44
and I was going for a pint with an Australian
13:47
dude and there were just tons
13:49
of guys in black suits, black ties,
13:52
sunglasses with guns on the table, eating
13:55
plates of like 50 bucks spaghetti. It was really,
13:57
really weird. weekend,
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these communists, back to
14:02
those communists, they then attempt
14:05
a coup in Moscow, prompting
14:07
Russian leaders to take the extraordinary
14:09
measure of ordering tanks to fight on their own
14:12
parliament building, the so-called White House. Coup
14:14
might not be the right word, they just didn't want Yeltsin
14:16
to divvy up everything so quickly. It's
14:19
all threatening to fall to pieces for the new Russia,
14:22
and amid all of this, just as the Russians
14:24
had done during the Second World War, when
14:26
Stalin accused restful minorities of collaborating
14:29
with the Nazis, and it should be added,
14:31
a small number of them actually did, politicians
14:34
accuse, who else, the Chechnyans
14:36
of plotting to bring down the Russian state. So
14:39
they're just, they've been like the scapegoats going back
14:41
centuries now, right? Yeah, yeah. And
14:43
it's just so weird that they're basically a vassal state now. I don't
14:45
know if I want to spoil it earlier, but like, it's,
14:47
I don't know, man, it's wild how
14:50
that reversal happened. Yeah, I mean, I can't speak
14:52
for all Russians, but it does really seem like
14:54
going back centuries, they really
14:56
have been the bogeyman of the entire Russian
14:59
Empire. And they're always,
15:01
always viewed as others. And
15:03
it's not going to stop at this point either. Rights
15:05
journalist Stephen Handelman in Comrade Criminal
15:07
quote, while there is much open anti-Semitism
15:10
spoken and written, there are a few incidents
15:12
of physical brutality and no problems.
15:15
The Caucasians have more to fear, easily
15:18
recognized by their dark hair and skin colouring,
15:20
as well as their names. They're often targeted
15:23
by thugs and police and were
15:25
the victims of a pogrom organized by the mayor
15:27
of Moscow after the siege of the White House in
15:29
October 1993, when many were
15:32
expelled from the city by the militia.
15:35
I mean, I'm pretty certain there is quite
15:37
a lot of anti-Semitism in Russia at this point. There
15:40
was, of course, an uptick in anti-Semitic and racist
15:42
violence all over the Eastern block after the fall
15:44
of the Iron Curtain, not least in former
15:47
Eastern Germany, which we got into in the show about
15:49
Rhein-Ozontai. But if you can
15:51
set your watches to anything in 20th century
15:53
Russia, it is that the Chechens are
15:56
going to get it in the neck. And
15:58
to be honest, given the shit they've gone through, I'd forgive
16:00
a fair number of the Chechens for wishing Russia
16:02
would just disappear off the map altogether. At
16:05
this time, leaders in the Caucasian
16:07
Republic itself are gearing up for
16:09
an aggressive independence run – aggressive
16:12
might be the biggest euphemism all the time. Very
16:14
few coincidences are going on here,
16:17
guys. In 1992, forces
16:19
loyal to proclaimed Chechen leader, Jokhar
16:22
Dudiyev, they ransacked Russian military
16:26
posts in the region. Chechens
16:29
withdraw soon after, while in early 1993
16:33
a schism opens up between pro and
16:35
anti-Dudiyev factions in Chechnya
16:37
itself. And Grozhny, the
16:40
capital, blooms into protest.
16:42
Remember, as much as Chechens might want
16:44
their own independent state, this is
16:47
also the Caucasus, so you get tribes
16:49
facing down rival tribes, families
16:51
versus families, infighting within
16:54
infighting. As inevitable as
16:56
a lass at a Moldovan craps table,
16:58
a Russian dole of tribal embassy you could
17:01
call it if you're a second-rate writer, but I
17:03
of course wouldn't do that. It's really just a honourable one
17:05
these days. It's marvellous stuff, you
17:07
know? Are you still getting over the goat in the gulag?
17:10
I'm just happy to witness it. We're
17:12
all witnessing it. I'm not sure if you're witnessing a renaissance
17:14
or a slow breakdown, but we'll go with it.
17:18
This is exactly, by the way, when the Utsiev
17:20
brothers are being offed by the Armenian KGB
17:23
in the UK. So you can see how
17:25
quickly things are unraveling in the Caucasus
17:27
at this point. Later that year,
17:29
with two of his most trusted deputies
17:31
laying on north London mortuary slabs,
17:34
Duryev pulls a Russia, and he shells
17:36
his own people in downtown Grozhny. It
17:39
doesn't have the same effect as Yeltsin's bombing
17:41
of Moscow's White House, however, and
17:43
the coup in Chechnya explodes into
17:45
a civil war. And that is
17:48
precisely the excuse Boris Yeltsin
17:50
needs to order a full-scale invasion
17:52
of his febrile southern vassal. The
17:55
first Chechen war is underway. At
17:58
first, Russia thinks this will be little more
17:59
in a couple days steamrolling its way to
18:02
Grozny.
18:02
Sound familiar? If it doesn't,
18:05
no, it definitely will in a moment. First,
18:08
Yeltsin's air force softens up the Chechen capital
18:10
with indiscriminate strikes that kill
18:12
scores of civilians. Then,
18:15
he sends in 40,000 troops and three armored columns
18:18
that rumble towards the city from the north, east
18:21
and west.
18:22
Easy?
18:23
No, of course not. These Chechens
18:25
have been saying asymmetrical guerrilla conflict
18:28
since before Russia even existed. And
18:30
while they might have been ripping each other's face off before
18:33
the Russian invasion, nothing galvanizes
18:35
Caucasian identity stronger than attack
18:37
from the old enemy itself. The
18:40
Chechens, basically, are about the hand
18:42
Moscow's ass right back to it, gift
18:44
wrapped. Yeah, I mean, it's just really a foolish
18:46
move and I've seen that a lot in, like, you
18:49
know, places I've covered history to. You know,
18:51
you should let them exhaust themselves fighting each other
18:53
then you move in. Nothing
18:55
brings, like, a warring group of people together like
18:58
an attack from an outsider because it just
19:00
almost always happened. I guess, actually, picking
19:03
up, like, the Kurdish civil wars in the 90s, sometimes
19:05
they teamed up with various outsiders. But
19:07
in general, like, let them exhaust each
19:09
other then. Yeah, a lot of the... Don't,
19:12
like, interrupt. A lot of the Caucasian stuff
19:14
has got kind of people's front of Judea,
19:17
like, conversations. But, I mean,
19:19
this kind of thinking is going to go
19:21
both ways. So, we're going to kind of go
19:23
full circle on that thinking as well in a minute. So,
19:27
the Chechens are, of course, above
19:29
all, they are brigands, abreks,
19:31
those are the outlaw exiles we spoke about in
19:33
the last show. And they're just about the toughest,
19:36
grisliest fighters anywhere on the planet.
19:38
And these guys are running on hate. Hate
19:41
for Russians, which is basically
19:43
Chechen crack. Oh, yeah, and let's throw
19:45
religion into the mix too. This is
19:47
the early 1990s, of course, a time
19:49
when Al-Qaeda is embarking on its holy
19:52
war against America with the bombing of
19:54
New York's World Trade Center.
19:56
Chechnya's own Grand Mufte wants to
19:58
ride the wagon too.
19:59
He's a pug-faced goatee zealot named
20:02
Ahmad Khadrov, born in Kazakhstan, 1951,
20:04
to an exiled
20:07
Chechen family. He's a decorated
20:09
theologian which, in 1990s
20:11
Chechnya basically means rabid, Islamist,
20:14
and he's a staunch ally of Djokhar Duryev
20:17
and independence. So
20:20
what do you do if you're a Chechen grandmother
20:22
born in exile with a face like a bulldog
20:24
chewing a wasp in a library full of well-thumbed
20:26
Qurans? Yes, it's jihad
20:29
time. Khadrov declares
20:31
holy war on the Russians and he invites fighters
20:33
from across the Islamic world to join the Chechen
20:36
struggle against its huge, ancient
20:38
nemesis. And it works! In
20:40
floods thousands of jihadis from the Arab
20:42
world and beyond, and before long there's
20:45
an official Chechen mujheddin led
20:47
by a Saudi guy named Ibn al-Hautob
20:50
who's got experience kicking Russian back sides
20:52
in their own disastrous war in Afghanistan.
20:56
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By now it's still less than 13
22:31
years since the Soviets were booted out of Afghanistan
22:35
by armies of Mushardin and families
22:37
who hid in mountains, attacked armoured
22:39
convoys with booby traps and artillery
22:42
and were happy to snipe and shell from the windows
22:44
of city apartment blocks. Now
22:47
they're embroiled in a war against Chechen Mushardins
22:49
and families, destroying armoured convoys
22:52
with booby traps and artillery and who are
22:54
happy to potshot and shell out of the windows
22:56
of city apartments. Bad news
22:58
for Russia. But also for humanity
23:01
in general, because the first Chechen war
23:03
is a blood soaked affair that culminates
23:05
in the battle of Grozny. This two
23:07
month conflict leaves almost 30,000 civilians dead
23:11
and reduces the city to dust. It's
23:13
the biggest bombing campaign in Europe since World
23:16
War II and media soon refer
23:18
to Grozny, whose name by the way means fearsome,
23:21
as the planet's most destroyed city. I
23:23
think Robert King was there for that. Like he was
23:25
one of the only followers or the only one who
23:28
stayed behind and his photos aren't, I
23:30
think this video, the two, I mean, actually you know
23:33
what? That might be the
23:35
second, the second war was 99, right? The
23:37
second time that Grozny was destroyed, it might be
23:39
that. But either way, his photos from that
23:42
second war are just like breathtaking. And it's
23:44
covered in this documentary about him called
23:46
Shooting Robert King. It's a mad doc. I worked with him
23:48
in the Sacheleaufmann Republic and he's a mad man,
23:50
but definitely watch that documentary. It's
23:52
got footage from Grozny, you know, not this war,
23:55
obviously the next one a couple of years later, but it's insane
23:58
how destroyed the city is. managed
24:00
to work with the guy, he's like, he's a bit of a legend.
24:02
That must've been amazing. Oh, I don't
24:05
know if amazing is the word for it. It was definitely,
24:07
it was interesting. It was interesting. I learned a lot. He's
24:11
a good guy to be in a conflict
24:13
zone with and a madman at that,
24:15
but a very talented photographer. Yeah, most photojournalists.
24:18
Yeah. Have a bit of a
24:20
screwless. I should add, like,
24:23
we're not getting across how destroyed this city
24:25
was. I don't think 30,000 civilians dead
24:28
in Grozny. Even today, the city
24:30
only has a quarter of a million people. I mean, that is
24:33
pretty insane casualty rates during
24:36
the campaign. Russia, unsurprisingly,
24:38
of course, blockades Chechnya, which
24:41
means that the breakaway Republic relies
24:44
even more heavily on its black marketers
24:46
and gangsters to supply the war effort.
24:49
Yeah. It's a, it's similar when we talk about the war in
24:51
the Balkans, right? Or really any blockaded of a city
24:53
under siege. So it was a huge boon
24:55
for gangsters and black marketers. They can make a fortune
24:58
off it. Yeah. I can write. Yeah, I
25:00
think. And a bunch of other guys. Yeah. Yeah.
25:04
Yeah. So weapons, bazaars
25:06
pop up all over Chechnya. And even
25:08
though it's completely surrounded by the enemy, the
25:10
Chechen mafia, whatever that is, as
25:13
a concept is so powerful and connected
25:15
that Grozny's Pockmarked airport receives
25:18
up to 150 unsanctioned flights per month. And
25:21
I'm guessing they're not full of tourists. Right.
25:24
The one academic quote Chechen criminal
25:26
elements throughout the former Soviet union
25:29
have been able to move all manner of consumer
25:31
goods to a willing market in Moscow at
25:33
a significant markup. Moscow
25:35
elites were able to take their cut of the profits and
25:38
products as they sit to the patron. Similarly,
25:41
Doodyev was able to reach financial
25:44
and material benefits while flaunting
25:46
Moscow's embargo. Right. That's the same
25:48
thing. The elites there don't care. And it's kind of like, you
25:51
know, I think Mischa Glenny talks about it. How, was
25:53
it him or someone else who wrote about the wars
25:55
in the Balkans? How, you know, whether it was Serbs
25:58
or Bosnians or Albanian gangsters, they all
26:00
work together to make money off
26:02
the embargoes and the blockades and the war as their
26:05
people killed each other and they sort of ratchet it up the
26:07
rhetoric. What's the question here? Yeah,
26:10
there's no suggestion that these mafiosi
26:13
are kind of ennobled
26:15
by this war. They're pretty mercenary, but it kind
26:18
of suits everyone at the time. So that's
26:20
just a fast impact. Before
26:23
we continue with the first Chechen War, it's worth asking,
26:26
how are these Chechen gangsters getting so
26:28
big that they can sustain an entire
26:30
guerrilla war? Well, if the last
26:32
show got into, they're already a pretty
26:35
formidable force when communism ends.
26:38
After that, the answer lies in the oligarchs,
26:41
particularly the most powerful oligarchs
26:43
of them all, Boris Berejowski.
26:45
There are dozens
26:47
of men, and they're all men of course, getting
26:49
wildly rich, siphoning our former state
26:52
wealth in the early 90s. But none
26:54
of them as consummately as Boris Berejowski.
26:57
Berejowski is short and stout and
26:59
he's a Muscovite. Born in 1946, the son of
27:03
a Jewish engineer, Berejowski works
27:05
as an engineer himself, publishing 16 papers
27:08
in a distinguished career that
27:10
runs up to the fall of the Berlin Wall. But
27:13
in 1989, Berejowski capitalises
27:15
on perestroika to found Logovaz,
27:18
an auto dealer with connections to state owners
27:21
owned automating giant Avtovaz.
27:24
Now we're going to go back to Toliati here, but
27:26
that's Russia's Detroit and you'll know that in
27:28
the early 1990s, gangs
27:30
get really feral about controlling
27:32
various limbs of this huge lumbering
27:35
corporation. You've got gangs killing,
27:37
like I said, to control accessory
27:40
and windscreen wire production, gangs
27:42
to trucks, gangs who control vans,
27:45
cars, the machinery itself, street
27:47
battles, bombs, the works. Go back and
27:49
listen to it if you haven't already. And Berejowski,
27:52
who's busy buying up shares
27:54
in Russia's auto industry, comes
27:56
under fire himself. In 1994,
28:00
just as a gang war erupts across Russia
28:02
that will last until the year 2000, he survives a
28:06
bombing assassination attempt that kills his
28:08
driver. That incident is,
28:10
oddly enough, investigated by a
28:12
young FSB officer named Alexander
28:15
Litvinenko. If you don't know who
28:17
he is, well I'd be surprised if you didn't,
28:19
but pause this and look him up because he's
28:21
coming back. Berezovsky then
28:23
pivots, and he pivots again and again
28:26
until he has controlling stakes in
28:28
oil, public TV, aluminium
28:31
and even the National Sports Fund of Russia,
28:34
plundering them and running them into the dirt.
28:37
Writing to Johanna Granville in her paper The Russian Kleptocracy
28:40
and Rise of International Organised Crime, Berezovsky
28:43
is a quote, a lacykily ruthless
28:45
and cunning tycoon who perhaps profited
28:48
more than anybody else from Russia's slide
28:50
into the abyss. He stood closer
28:52
than the other oligarchs to all three
28:55
realms. Crime, commerce
28:57
and government. A success in both
29:00
making money and claiming to be a valuable statesman
29:02
in the government service was due in
29:04
part to his relationships with
29:06
some of Russia's strongest gangsters, particularly
29:10
the Chechen Mafia. The
29:13
Chechens are acting as Berezovsky's
29:16
quote, Kritia or Ruth, which
29:18
basically means hired protection and
29:21
there is a good reason for that. The car
29:23
industry, as we've heard, is brutal
29:26
and Berezovsky needs to fight fire with
29:28
fire. Writing to Mark Galioti
29:30
in the Vory quote, as many of Russia's
29:32
other gangs have successfully pursued ambitions
29:35
of becoming political players and business
29:37
empires, Chechens are
29:39
focused on cornering their traditional market
29:42
niche, the inflicting of severe
29:44
violence. There are hell of a
29:46
sentence right there. He
29:49
knows that right things. I mean,
29:51
people really have to read that book before
29:53
it sets up so much that's in this show. Incidentally,
29:57
Galioti bases this chapter of his book on
29:59
a meeting year. as with a Chechen hitman named
30:01
Borich or Bors, who
30:04
is a Soviet military veteran and graduate
30:06
of family-laid gangs in Shali,
30:08
which is a city home to around 45,000 and Chechnya is the
30:12
second largest behind Grozny. Galioti
30:15
meets this guy at Moscow's Sheremet
30:18
Yevo Airport and Bors demands
30:20
that they toast Allah with a shot of
30:22
vodka, which is just a legit brilliant
30:24
moment, and Galioti continues to quote,
30:27
The Chechen criminals, often described
30:29
as the Chechenskaya Bratva or
30:32
Chechen Brotherhood, and occasionally
30:34
Chechenskaya Obchincina
30:37
or Chechen commune, have
30:39
no formal structure in common. They
30:42
do represent a distinctive criminal
30:44
subculture though, holding itself apart
30:47
from the mainstream Russian underworld. A
30:49
characteristic mix of modern branding
30:51
and bandit tradition means that they
30:53
have such a powerful place in the Russian criminal
30:55
imagination that they are now even
30:58
a quote franchise with local
31:00
gangs not made up of Chechens competing
31:02
to use their name. And
31:05
Galioti goes on, and I know I'm quoting Bunch here, but
31:07
like we said in the last episode as well, it really is
31:09
a great book quote. The Chechenskaya
31:11
Bratva failure to prosper in the same way as
31:13
the other major networks also
31:16
reflects their clear and conscious determination
31:18
to buck the rest of the Russian underworld's trend
31:21
of diversification into business
31:23
and politics. Most Chechen
31:25
gangs have tended not to evolve beyond their
31:28
core speciality, the use of threat
31:30
and violence. Perhaps
31:32
remaining true to their bandit roots, they
31:34
continue to be heavily involved in extortion
31:37
and protection racketeering. However,
31:39
in many cases they have become in effect the
31:42
protection racketeers, protection racketeer,
31:45
acquiring networks of client gangs from
31:47
any ethnic background from whom they simply
31:49
demand tribute on pain of gang
31:51
warfare. So probably
31:54
not the brightest but definitely the most murderous.
31:57
Yeah, and I think in a minute
31:59
or two. we're gonna see the best examples
32:02
of that too. So the Chechens intertwine
32:05
with the bloodthirsty rebels of their once away
32:07
republic's bitter war, get a pretty
32:09
well deserved rep across Russia as lunatics,
32:12
who really don't give a shit if they're in the Mafia
32:14
club at all. No wonder Berovshovsky,
32:17
the so called godfather of the
32:19
Kremlin, hires them to protect
32:21
his bulging business empire. This
32:24
is not to say that Chechens just go and live in caves
32:26
when they're not killing each other, they own fleets
32:28
of casinos, bars and restaurants in
32:30
Moscow, right under the noses of
32:33
other crooks. But they're definitely different.
32:36
As the war in Chechnya progresses, the Chechens
32:38
begin to use kidnapping to raise funds
32:40
to fight the Russians. Leaked telephone
32:42
conversations suggest that Berovshovsky
32:45
even stages several kidnappings of high
32:47
profile foreigners by Chechens himself,
32:50
paying them the ransom money. Berovshovsky
32:53
is not the only one catering to his Chechen
32:56
roof or krisha. Basheyslav
32:58
Ivankov, better known as Yoponchik, who
33:01
you got into a bunch in your Brighton Beach Russian
33:03
mob episode, I think he's one of the most feared
33:06
gangsters in the country, and
33:08
he works openly with the Chechens
33:10
writes chronicles magazine quote, Yoponchik
33:14
wanted to modernize the Soviet Union's underworld.
33:17
And to do this, he had to deal first
33:19
with the Chechens. During the late Soviet
33:21
period, the Chechen cosinostra, openly
33:24
operated across Russia and impudently
33:26
occupied the gigantic Russia
33:28
hotel, his windows looked out
33:30
on the citadel of Russian power to
33:33
Kremlin. Anyone
33:35
who visited the Russia in the late 80s
33:37
and early 90s can testify to the sea
33:39
of black limos, hulking bodyguards,
33:42
and black fedora Chechen godfathers
33:44
or clan leaders with their signature black
33:46
leather jackets and droopy moustaches
33:49
that encroached on Red Square itself. A
33:52
relentless war of contract murders organized
33:55
by the Yoponchik's handpicked man, veteran
33:58
killer Andrei Isayev. who goes
34:00
by the name Raspi's or signature
34:03
was waged by the blacks, the Caucasian
34:05
Chechens and Azeris who were moving
34:08
in on the terms of the Slavic, Georgian
34:10
and Jewish gangsters. 90s
34:13
Russia man, just completely insane. Yeah,
34:16
probably avoid anyone with a handlebar mustache,
34:18
Jesus. By the way, we get
34:20
side but I fully recommend
34:23
watching 2010 documentary
34:25
Thieves by Law. It's on YouTube
34:28
and on the reading list for all you lovely Patreon subscribers.
34:31
Show ad free guys to do it. Where
34:33
the filmmaker for this movie, he gets
34:35
insane access to all these Russian
34:38
gangsters who've made their names in this mid
34:40
to late 90s era. In
34:42
it Artem Talatov who's introduced
34:45
as the Soviet Union's first millionaire
34:47
says that when he founded the Russian lottery,
34:50
which is a $15 million per week cash
34:52
business that is dangerous in Russia,
34:55
he takes the Chechens as partners because
34:57
even the thieves in law, the Vory
35:00
are scared of them. According
35:02
to him, the thieves have meetings, arbitrations,
35:05
parlays and then he adds quote, Chechens
35:08
shows up at these meetings and immediately
35:10
started shooting. Also when
35:12
a gangster describes how we get people to pay extortion,
35:15
just another horrible detail in this movie,
35:17
he get a homeless guy off the street, feed
35:20
him, dress him in a suit, take
35:22
him to a meeting with debtors and then when
35:24
the guy refuses to pay up, they whip out
35:26
a sword, cut the homeless guy's head
35:29
off until the debtor that's what happens
35:31
when they refuse to pay. This is like barbaric,
35:33
sadistic stuff. But there
35:35
is Russia in the 90s for you. I
35:38
mean, is that like a real, is that
35:40
an urban legend or that's like a proven thing that they're like, we
35:42
did this. So I
35:45
was thinking that and I rewatched the scene and
35:47
there's a moment, I think they go ice fishing
35:49
with the filmmaker and the
35:52
guy who leads the gang is like,
35:54
Hey, Andre, shut up. You
35:57
shouldn't be saying stuff like that. And there's a few moments
35:59
like that. movie you've really got to watch it it's
36:02
yeah I'm probably going to after this yeah
36:05
it's nuts anyway in case you haven't got the message
36:07
over the past what hour and a half of Chechen
36:09
gang chat these guys are tough as old
36:12
boots and they absolutely love
36:14
a fight
36:15
so
36:16
back to the first Chechen war it's 1995 now and
36:19
the Chechens vastly out powered
36:22
and outnumbered despite their
36:24
own successful tactics they get
36:26
even dirtier and they employ methods
36:28
more commonly associated with the Islamist
36:31
terrorist groups which is unsurprising
36:33
given their ranks are swirled with fighters from
36:36
jihad's across the Islamic world in
36:38
June 1995 Chechens hold 1,800
36:42
people hostage at a maternity ward
36:44
in the southern Russian city of Budnianovsk
36:48
I'm sorry to all Russian speaking listeners
36:50
for my pronunciation again after
36:52
five days Russian troops storm
36:54
the hospital but only results in the deaths
36:57
of around 140 people and a ceasefire with the breakaway
37:01
Chechens so I guess they're getting
37:03
the message that violence very much works
37:06
this ceasefire only holds for a short while
37:08
of course and the blood shed continues
37:11
until the following year in April 1996 joker
37:13
Duryev is assassinated
37:16
by two guided missiles Russian
37:18
president Boris Yeltsin claims victory
37:21
religious extremism grows rife
37:24
jobs are scarce the Chechen government
37:26
is weaker than 3.2 beer and
37:28
kidnapping an organized crime become a
37:30
way of life in the de facto state so
37:33
much so that by 1996 there's
37:35
a full-blown arms market operating right in
37:38
the middle of central Grozny controlled
37:40
by rebel gangsters were according to a BBC
37:42
article quote a machine gun could
37:44
be bought there for two to three hundred dollars grenades
37:47
were sold for 30 rubles or a dollar
37:49
a piece you know I paid $30 in
37:51
Cambodia but they let you throw it there too
37:53
so maybe having a safe space to do that is worth an extra $29
37:56
this is the only safe space
37:58
that we talk about in this show Did
38:01
you shoot a cow with
38:04
a bazooka? Because I heard you could do that. No, I
38:06
mean that was, I feel like we've talked about this before, that was like
38:08
a rumor. But I never
38:10
saw, I have no interest in doing that and I never saw that.
38:12
And they make you throw the grenade into like a pond.
38:15
So you
38:16
know, you get the he feel, the ground shake, but it's not
38:19
as cool as like heaving it into a field. But there
38:21
was also, yo, the craziest rumor,
38:23
and I think it's a book called Off the Rails and
38:25
Nompan that was like written in the 90s. I was there
38:28
mid 2000, so it was a book that was going around. But
38:30
there was a rumor that was going around that you
38:33
could pay a certain amount of money and
38:35
they would send someone who had been sentenced
38:38
to die by execution, like a prisoner, running
38:41
up a hill, and you get a shot at
38:43
them. And
38:46
but I don't know, it was something like that. And
38:48
then like, you only get one or two shots and if they survive, they go
38:50
for something insane like that, that probably
38:52
wasn't true. But it was an urban legend
38:54
that was going around. But cow grenade
38:56
thing, I feel like everyone
38:58
had a friend, a friend who said they had
39:01
done, but I don't know if that
39:03
was verified. It seems like a lot of like,
39:05
a cow is expensive. You know, that's
39:07
a lot of meat and a lot of money, especially to country like that.
39:09
I can't imagine that you
39:12
could do it for like a couple hundred dollars. I
39:14
guess if you had some kind of a
39:17
like a plastic sheet around it, you can
39:19
just turn it straight into burgers. But yeah, it does
39:21
seem like a waste of money. What's
39:23
that? What's that show? I'm not even investigating
39:25
stuff like this. Is it Myth Bus? I don't know.
39:29
I feel like that's more about like urban, like
39:31
not urban legends, but like things about, I don't
39:33
know, but they should, they should look into that. I'd
39:36
love to know. Yeah. Yeah.
39:38
Let's, let's reach out to them. Maybe we can do a hookup in Cambodia.
39:40
We do it. We do like
39:43
a separate one of those, like a true crime podcast. That's 10
39:45
episodes of us just trying to figure out why
39:47
the room was true about Cambodia. Yeah.
39:50
Or just getting wasted in Cambodia. Yeah. I'm
39:52
up for both of those things. This
39:54
is this BBC story that I just mentioned.
39:57
It's really interesting on how
39:59
the first picture. War empowers
40:01
organized crime. Quote, in
40:03
the past decade of conflict Chechnya has become
40:06
a haven for racketeers who
40:08
profit from oil thefts, kidnapping
40:11
and embezzlement of state funds allocated to
40:13
help the devastated Republic. Musa
40:16
S. Kukanov, director of the
40:18
Groznevstagass
40:20
oil company,
40:24
really sorry, says that up to 600 tons
40:26
of oil is being pilfered in Chechnya daily.
40:29
A police unit, popularly known as the Oil
40:32
Regiment, was set up to protect pipelines
40:34
and oil wells. Groznev gas
40:37
spends 300 million rubles or
40:39
more than 10 million dollars a year on it, but
40:42
this still does not help. People
40:44
who monitor this type of crime claim that
40:46
nearly all the security forces based
40:48
in Chechnya profit from oil. Yeah,
40:59
I always wonder about those guys who do it in the
41:01
Niger Delta, like
41:07
who are they selling to? Selling back to
41:09
BP or something? I don't really get it. Anyway,
41:12
Chechnya. State. Gangs. Gangs.
41:15
State. And this thing continues. Quote,
41:17
kidnapping becomes widespread in Chechnya
41:20
in 1997, when a group
41:22
of Russian NTV journalists are captured.
41:25
It's alleged that the company paid a million
41:28
dollars for their release. Honestly, Russians really
41:30
don't get how to deal with hostage crises.
41:33
After that, the hostage business escalated.
41:35
No shit. Kidnappers made millions
41:37
of dollars targeting foreign humanitarian
41:39
workers, missionaries and Russian
41:41
officials. Good luck being a missionary in Chechnya.
41:44
Jesus. Failure to pay
41:46
a ransom led to brutal killings of hostages.
41:49
In one notorious case, three British
41:51
Granger telecom engineers and a New Zealander
41:54
were beheaded by their captors. In
41:56
August 1996, the Chechens
41:59
actually managed to win. their war. And
42:01
in 1997 Boris Yeltsin and newly elected
42:03
Chechen president Aslan Mascadov
42:06
sign a treaty in Moscow that will put
42:08
quote a full stop to 400
42:11
years of history, i.e.
42:13
Russians and Chechens blowing each other up
42:15
in perpetuity. Both sides agree
42:18
to reject the use of false quote forever.
42:22
And everybody lived happily ever after. Oh no
42:24
wait, of course they fucking didn't because one side
42:27
is Russia and the other side can't get enough
42:29
of a fight. This is the Caucasus.
42:33
In 1999 Chechnya invades its neighbor
42:35
Dagestan, which technically
42:37
is Russia. Later that
42:40
year, Russian then Prime Minister Vladimir
42:42
Putin pins a series of apartment bombings
42:44
in Moscow and elsewhere on
42:46
Al Khutub, the jihadi in Chechnya
42:49
and his Chechen terrorists, fighting
42:52
the causes belly, causes belli,
42:54
causes belli for another incursion
42:57
into Chechnya. How'd you say it? Cause causes
42:59
belli? I don't know. I didn't do Latin at school unlike
43:01
a lot of British journers. Yeah, I'm the wrong guy for
43:03
pronunciation. All my words come from reading so
43:06
I got nothing to help you with. You were just
43:08
speaking Latin before we did the show. I'm
43:12
against the bombings too much here. I mean, we mentioned about
43:14
the top of the show as well, but if you already know about
43:17
Putin's rights to power, this is
43:19
a crucial moment and highly
43:21
suspected to be a false flag operation.
43:24
You could do very, very much
43:26
worse than read up a couple of books. The less
43:28
you know, the better you sleep by David Satter
43:31
and blowing up Russia by our old mate and former
43:33
FSB agent Alexander Litvinenko,
43:36
which will mark him out for a painful and
43:38
famous death in 2006 poisoned
43:41
by polonium in his adopted home of
43:43
London. That was huge, huge story
43:45
in the UK. I don't really know how it crossed over
43:48
the Atlantic, but whatever the truth
43:50
of the apartment bombings, they get the Russian
43:52
public back on board for another fight with
43:54
the Chechens, which from the
43:57
off features more indiscriminate bombing,
43:59
more suf civilian deaths and an armed
44:01
march to Grozhny. By
44:04
January 2000 Russia actually takes
44:06
the Chechen capital, no more than a smoldering
44:08
heap by this point. In a surprise turn
44:10
of events, Akhmad Khadarov about
44:13
turns on Chechen independence and the Kremlin
44:15
backs him as a pro-Moscow moustoge.
44:18
And yes, Khadarov's son is a young
44:21
troll-faced former rebel and amateur boxer
44:23
named Rimzan. We got there. Khadarov
44:26
the Elder then embarks on the process
44:28
of quote, peace via Chechenisation,
44:30
coming a fine line between Chechen
44:32
nationalism and unity with a parent
44:34
state that's been massacred in its men, women and
44:37
children for centuries. Hint,
44:39
in case you needed one, he's not going to do
44:41
it by building a liberal democracy. Hi,
44:44
my name's Andrew Gold. I'm a former BBC
44:47
journalist and I really want you to listen to my
44:49
podcast On the Edge with Andrew Gold,
44:51
which lies somewhere between true crime,
44:53
cults and pop culture. To
44:56
start, go to episode 296 to
44:59
hear my interview with former Scientologist
45:01
John Atack, who tells me quite
45:03
eloquently and brilliantly about how
45:06
Scientology was actually behind
45:08
Charles Manson. And Manson spent 14
45:11
months studying Scientology.
45:15
He had 150 hours
45:17
of Scientology processing.
45:20
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45:22
On the Edge with Andrew Gold. And I hope it gets
45:24
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45:26
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45:29
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45:31
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46:43
Remember how the first Chechen war emboldened
46:45
and enriched Chechnya's band of mafiosi?
46:48
The second war may not have gone in the Republic's
46:50
favor, but there's rarely a scuff
46:52
the mafia can't monetize. Writes the BBC,
46:55
quote, The embezzlement of funds allocated
46:57
for the reconstruction of Chechnya has
46:59
become a source of income for Chechen and
47:01
Russian officials. According to the Russian
47:04
audit chamber, 62 billion
47:06
rubles, which is more than $2 billion, sent
47:08
to Chechnya between 2000 and 2003, 5 billion
47:12
rubles was, quote, spent
47:15
extremely inappropriately. Sometimes
47:18
the same building is officially
47:21
restored several times, or a partly
47:23
ruined building is declared restored in official
47:25
documents. So
47:28
even the flattening of Grozny is
47:30
a chance for the fattening of the mob. Not
47:33
that everyone is a contraband, smuggling mercenary,
47:35
of course. There are more than a few Chechen
47:37
jihadis that have been killing in the name of a
47:39
state and a man, Kadyrov, who's
47:41
suddenly gone all Manchurian candidate, and
47:44
they are not best pleased. Enter
47:46
Shamil Basayev, a field commander
47:49
and one-time deputy prime minister of Chechnya,
47:51
also known as Abu Idris. He's
47:54
already been instrumental in the Budyonnovsk
47:57
hospital raid in 1995. the
48:00
recapture of Grozny from Russia a year later.
48:02
He's grizzled, inexperienced
48:05
and wildly popular, and in 2002,
48:08
Batayev goes rogue, besieging
48:10
a Moscow theater. Russian
48:12
forces don't hang around to negotiate, this
48:15
ain't a 90s Hollywood movie, they just pile
48:17
in mob-handed. Spetsnaz
48:20
commandos go tossing nerve gas
48:22
into the theater and then they rush in, slaughtering
48:25
the Chechen terrorists. Only
48:27
the gas also kills 133 hostages.
48:31
Whoopsie,
48:32
Batayev escapes the raid and the next
48:34
year, Akhmad Kaderov is formally
48:37
installed as the President of the Chechen
48:39
Republic, a Russian satrap.
48:42
Batayev and his hardliners won't take
48:44
this betrayal line down though. Yeah,
48:46
it really is just this absurd like
48:48
fiefdom, right? Like something out of medieval times now. Yeah,
48:51
and the way they rule pretty much follows that
48:53
as well. So the following year to this
48:55
is 2004. Greece are
48:57
somehow winning the European Championships, and
49:00
I'm riding in the back of a Kuzukintov garbage
49:02
truck at 5am with a bunch of pissed up Greek
49:04
guys and French girls, those
49:06
are the days, blissfully unaware that
49:09
Shamil Batayev's reign of terror against Russia
49:12
is at its apex. That May, a bomb
49:14
attack kills 30 people during a military
49:16
parade at Grozny Football Stadium, including
49:19
Akhmad Kaderov himself. Two
49:22
months later, on the night of August 24,
49:26
2004, explosive devices detonate aboard
49:29
two domestic passenger planes that
49:31
have taken off from Moscow's Domododovo
49:33
Airport, blowing both
49:36
jets to pieces and killing all 90 people
49:38
on board. Subsequent FSB
49:41
investigations discovered that the bombs have
49:43
been carried onto the planes by two female
49:45
Groznyites, and Batayev came
49:47
to responsibility online a few
49:49
weeks later. It's not just the
49:52
Chechens, by the way. Separatists from the
49:54
nearby Caucasian Republic of Karachay Chokestia
49:57
carry out two Moscow Metro bombings
49:59
that year. killing 51 people,
50:02
the confesses is restless.
50:04
But nothing dismayed the world like
50:06
the siege at school number one in Beslan,
50:09
which begins on September 1st. It's
50:12
one of the worst terror attacks in modern history,
50:14
and we're going to go back to the story of Kazbek
50:17
Mizikov and his family now, who
50:19
when we left him was trying to thumb apart
50:21
the circuit of the bucket bombs wired around the
50:23
school hall and which are balanced
50:25
chillingly above his family's heads. Look,
50:28
I mean, I could just read Chiva's story for
50:30
the next hour or so happily, but do go read
50:32
it after this if you haven't already. Yeah,
50:34
I won a ton of awards, I think, and it was like one of, supposed
50:37
to be one of Esquire's greatest stories ever, and
50:39
Esquire used to have some of the best journalism in the world. Yeah,
50:42
he used to. There
50:45
have been some good stuff recently that I've read there
50:47
actually, to be fair. I think Dale based
50:49
one of his, Dale based his recent bonus
50:51
on a piece out there that was
50:55
in Portland and Benton Hills, so that
50:57
was really, really good. Yeah, the
50:59
days of Chiva's man, that was good. By
51:02
the second day, Kazbek breaks
51:04
the wire, ensuring that the bomb won't
51:06
explode. So he knows that just
51:08
as being the case with the Moscow theater siege
51:11
months before the Russian forces
51:13
won't wait around and parlay with the Chechen
51:15
terrorists. They're going in. And
51:17
on day three, they storm the building. There
51:20
is huge bloodshed and carnage, and 333
51:22
people lose their lives. But
51:25
Kazbek, incredibly, isn't one
51:28
of them. 2004 then,
51:31
is really the year where an independent Chechnya
51:33
becomes all but impossible. Bazayev,
51:36
you'll be pleased to know, dies pretty soon afterwards,
51:38
in 2006, at the hands of
51:40
an exploded mine. But Ramzan
51:42
Katerov, Akhmad Katerov's son,
51:45
who's been groomed for the throne since his father's
51:47
death amid Bazayev's football stadium
51:49
attack in May 2004, he
51:52
becomes Chechen president in 2007,
51:55
cleaving to the Kremlin line and
51:57
forging a close partnership with Vladimir Putin.
52:00
has lasted until today. How
52:02
old was he when he took over? Was he like 25 years old?
52:05
Maybe a little older, like getting on for 30,
52:08
but very young. Yeah, but still looking
52:10
extremely weird. Putin
52:12
channels billions of... Come at
52:15
me, Katerov, Jesus. Putin channels
52:17
billions of dollars into the shattered republic,
52:19
furnishing Katerov with over a billion bucks
52:21
in subsidies, without which Chechnya
52:24
and Katerov's increasingly iron grip
52:26
would surely never survive. In
52:28
return, Katerov vows to smash any resistance
52:31
to his and Russia's rule in Chechnya,
52:33
and he installs a dictatorship and cult of personality
52:36
around himself and his father, not too
52:39
dissimilar to North Korea's juche system
52:41
only with way better hats. He
52:43
kills political enemies and journalists, subjugates
52:46
ethnic and sexual minorities, builds
52:48
palaces for himself, and Grozny,
52:50
the once destroyed capital city, even
52:53
begins to look a bit like Pyongyang. Whereas
52:55
Josh Affer in the 2016 New Yorker
52:58
feature, quote, the Second Chechen
53:00
War, which the Russians launched in 1999, in an
53:02
effort to curb not only
53:04
separatism in Chechnya, but
53:06
the threat of militant Islam, wound
53:08
down a decade later, with special
53:10
operations carried out deep in the craggy
53:13
wooded hills of the Caucasus. These
53:15
days, the rubble is gone. The city
53:17
skyline is punctuated by the glass towers
53:20
of Grozny City, a collection of
53:22
skyscrapers that houses offices,
53:24
luxury apartments, and a five-star hotel.
53:28
Grozny is quiet and bland, with
53:30
well-paid boulevards running through its center.
53:33
There is still a faint air of menace. Men
53:35
in black uniforms stand with automatic
53:38
rifles on many street corners. For
53:40
the city's flashier attractions, like
53:42
a man made late with a light show, seeing
53:44
whimsical and family-friendly. Yeah,
53:47
we've actually got Josh on an upcoming episode
53:49
about Russian mobsters fighting in Ukraine and Wagner,
53:51
which I think might be next week, but we'll
53:53
see what happens. Yeah, that's going
53:55
to be awesome. Justice stuff on that has been
53:58
really cool.
55:51
my
56:00
eardrum and my butthole.
56:06
We are not all those upper normalts,
56:08
but my true name is Daddy's
56:11
Commies. Greetings,
56:15
Daddy's Commies. Another steps
56:18
forward and says,
56:19
my name
56:20
is Butthole. The original Butthole.
56:23
What an honor. He has
56:25
a cane and a long beard. And
56:29
the final one steps forward and says, I
56:32
am the pee that won't flush.
56:37
You have been with me in spirit
56:40
many a time. I honor
56:42
you. DC steps forward.
56:46
Seems we have much in common.
56:48
In what regard other than the fact
56:50
that there's a few goblins
56:52
making up a single personality?
56:55
It's so fine. Seems that we have,
56:58
or had, a
57:00
common enemy. Ah yes, my
57:03
old butler. Tell me more. Growing
57:05
up I had many memories
57:09
of a butler, a servant
57:11
named Worcester. It seems
57:14
I was implanted inside
57:16
of me by some sort of malevolent
57:19
force that escaped from below hell
57:22
and had all sorts of ideas about how
57:24
to rewrite reality or some
57:26
such or some whatever. I
57:29
didn't care for it. And it seems
57:31
like you folk didn't either.
57:33
No, we didn't.
57:36
You see,
57:37
above all else,
57:39
this entity hated goblins. Oh
57:42
my goodness. He wouldn't shut
57:44
up about that.
57:47
You spoke to him.
57:49
Oh, he was inside my mind,
57:51
darling. Couldn't help
57:53
to. What did he say? Oh
57:57
God.
57:59
He wanted to
58:02
get rid of absurdities. Honestly,
58:05
every single time he taught, I tuned him
58:07
out a little bit. I couldn't help it.
58:10
The goblin in DC, he stops
58:12
and he thinks.
58:14
He nods.
58:16
He lets out a little toot.
58:19
Ooh, what you got going on in there? Rosemary?
58:24
Parsley, sage, tine as well. Haha,
58:27
classic chicken spices. I love
58:29
it every time. Better out than in,
58:32
I say. Pfft.
58:34
Yes. You
58:35
must forgive me. We've
58:37
been in drag as a human for so long,
58:39
we've forgotten many of the old ways.
58:43
Our manner may seem uncouth or over-polite
58:45
to you. Not at all.
58:48
I was once a man of polite
58:50
ways and I am only just learning
58:52
to let go. Soon
58:55
I will let go of this language
58:57
entirely and be a man of
59:00
peepee, poo poo, comies and
59:02
sweat. Well then perhaps
59:04
we are two ships. Or
59:07
rather, six ships in the night. Mmm,
59:10
indeed. Opposite devections. Passing
59:13
each other for this brief moment. This
59:16
brief moment able to communicate. You
59:19
tell me that this void, this entity, this
59:21
unpleasantness is gone. What proof
59:24
do you have? Umm, proof?
59:28
Umm, I- You understand my position.
59:31
Of course. We spent all of reality,
59:34
thousands of years, hunting down this entity
59:37
and now you tell me it's gone and I'm simply to take
59:39
your word for it. I believe
59:41
we must be as goblin
59:43
with each other then. And Freddy
59:46
extends one beautiful
59:50
dainty foot forward.
59:53
Yeah, no, DC knows this maneuver very
59:55
well. He sagely, he nods,
59:57
he turns, and he spreads cheeks so
59:59
that you may- put a toe into the butthole. Frederick's
1:00:02
big toe swirls
1:00:05
and recombines into a
1:00:08
perfectly dainty butt
1:00:10
plug, lubed,
1:00:13
of course. And like a key
1:00:15
turning into a lock, like you hear an ignition start,
1:00:17
and you connect, and for an overwhelming
1:00:20
moment, you are as one. You see
1:00:22
DC's life as
1:00:24
a goblin. He was born in
1:00:26
a sweaty diaper in
1:00:29
a high rise in Philadelphia. He
1:00:31
was spanked with a baseball
1:00:33
bat, as is the custom when
1:00:36
he was born. You see his life on the streets
1:00:38
of Philadelphia. You see him joining
1:00:41
up with the witch, you see him at first hunted by the witch
1:00:43
hunters, and then learning all about
1:00:45
the witch hunters and their ways, and you see him
1:00:47
studying on his off time, and learning all
1:00:50
about the unpleasantness.
1:00:52
You see, as he has his own copy of the
1:00:54
below cloak, and you see as he makes his own
1:00:56
arcana rolled and learns to open the book
1:00:58
himself, he doesn't have the same
1:01:01
copy as Virginia with the notes. He
1:01:03
had to make his own notes. You see as he studies
1:01:05
tirelessly. You see as his two assistants
1:01:07
join him, and you see as their
1:01:10
plan, it's a montage, as their plan to
1:01:12
pose as a human being comes to fruition, and
1:01:14
you see him moving up the ranks of the witch hunters.
1:01:16
He kills the older
1:01:19
upper management and takes his place. Freddy's
1:01:22
single
1:01:24
inch penis becomes as hard as iron.
1:01:30
He
1:01:32
falls in the purest,
1:01:35
most animal love with this man at
1:01:39
the sight of all this. He has never
1:01:41
related to anyone as much as this. And
1:01:45
as you gaze into the piss, the piss gazes also,
1:01:48
and he can see into you, he
1:01:50
watches as you grow up. He sees how you're
1:01:53
treated by Otto and your brothers.
1:01:55
He sees as you study, and he sees as you go to Polaris
1:01:58
University and he... He
1:02:00
sees your early life. He
1:02:03
sees station. He sees stir-fry. He meets
1:02:05
stir-fry. He learns stir-fry. He sees
1:02:08
your journeys and your struggles and everything
1:02:10
that you've accomplished with all
1:02:13
of your group. He sees rules haven. He
1:02:15
sees Virginia. He sees it all. And
1:02:17
he sees the unpleasantness. And he sees Wurster. And
1:02:19
you see, and you feel
1:02:21
as this information is passed on to him. And he
1:02:23
watches as Wurster is deleted. Right before
1:02:26
his very eyes. You pull out.
1:02:30
Well,
1:02:32
I believe that may suffice. Also,
1:02:34
I love you.
1:02:36
I love you too. Wonderful.
1:02:40
An unfortunate consequence of the
1:02:42
connection.
1:02:44
I will enjoy it for
1:02:46
the time that we have and mourn it
1:02:49
forever.
1:02:50
After.
1:02:51
Before you go, you
1:02:54
understand I have to kill you. Yes,
1:02:59
that much has been made imminently clear.
1:03:02
This cannot get out, you see.
1:03:05
No, of course. As much as
1:03:07
I am goblin now, I do respect
1:03:10
order and the demands
1:03:13
of it. Well, then I won't
1:03:15
bother explaining myself to you. Well,
1:03:17
go ahead in case someone else is listening in. I
1:03:19
don't know. No, no, no. It
1:03:22
won't be necessary. It's very clear to you
1:03:25
what would happen if this were to get out. If
1:03:27
the entire purpose of the witch hunters were
1:03:29
revealed to be a farce, we spent thousands
1:03:32
of years hunting this farce and you just clicked
1:03:34
delete on it. Lucky
1:03:36
break. Institutional
1:03:39
faith in the witch hunters would crumble, sending
1:03:42
the world into anarchy. Goblins
1:03:44
would become a hunted class. You see, as
1:03:47
head of the witch hunters, we've been able
1:03:49
to steer them away from goblins, their natural
1:03:51
enemy. Brilliant work, my good
1:03:54
man. And so
1:03:56
for other goblins to live, you must
1:03:58
die. The good news is
1:04:01
I was about, I don't know, half
1:04:03
a mile away or less from trying
1:04:05
to do it myself. I know.
1:04:09
I saw it all. And so, you
1:04:12
may go. Thank
1:04:14
you. I am a very
1:04:17
old man and oh,
1:04:19
I can feel that heart attack
1:04:21
slash stroke slash, I don't
1:04:23
know, a liver giving out, who
1:04:25
knows. Oh, it's so close. Oh,
1:04:28
I can taste it. As you head to the door, you have
1:04:30
a hand on the doorknob and he stops you, takes
1:04:33
another sip of the coffee with the Sprite
1:04:35
inside. He says, Freddy, I was inside
1:04:37
of you. I love you. Yes,
1:04:39
I love you too. What is it? I know you're
1:04:41
a liar. If you
1:04:43
deceive me, the full
1:04:45
force of the witch hunters will come down on you. You've
1:04:48
never felt it before, but
1:04:50
you will. Well, I won't lie about this.
1:04:52
I am planning very much on dying
1:04:55
quite soon so that I might get
1:04:57
to hell in the position that
1:05:00
I must. There's nothing else for me
1:05:02
here. And Freddy looks
1:05:04
around at the Cordelia
1:05:06
that he has known for so long and
1:05:09
offers nothing more for him. Light
1:05:12
as a feather, all three goblins bow to you. Stiff
1:05:16
as a board, Freddy has
1:05:18
a heart attack. Freddy,
1:05:21
can you make a constitution saving throw for me? Those
1:05:24
are tough. I want to. Oh,
1:05:27
this is quite a surprise. I'm
1:05:31
going to try. Hold on. You
1:05:34
will not believe this. I
1:05:37
did roll a one. I swear to God. I
1:05:39
rolled a one. I did. You only
1:05:42
did. Our dear audience,
1:05:44
I wish you could have had a camera
1:05:47
pointed at this die right now. I roll the
1:05:49
one.
1:05:50
Wow. Wow.
1:05:52
Wow. You said I want to kill my beloved
1:05:54
PC and the dice gods smiled at
1:05:56
you and said, sure. Yeah.
1:05:58
After all the many times. I said I would like
1:06:01
this guy. Yeah, we cut to
1:06:03
Christopher Hastings 13 years old
1:06:06
his first character Oh, he's
1:06:08
like a ranger but like like
1:06:11
cool like He
1:06:14
tries to survive an attack from an
1:06:16
orc and No, that
1:06:19
gun didn't survive later and later
1:06:21
and later They never survive and then finally
1:06:23
I asked for and once again, they don't
1:06:25
survive I thought Frederick
1:06:28
we zoom in to your arteries.
1:06:30
They seem to be swimming along just
1:06:32
fine It's a little it's a little steamboat
1:06:35
Willy just of a booger just comes
1:06:38
Moving on down that artery though and it gets bigger
1:06:40
and bigger and bigger
1:06:41
and whoops. Oh, it's that little
1:06:43
Oh that little boat of boogers It's crooked
1:06:45
in the Suez Canal and the blood is pumping
1:06:48
and pumping and your chest is just getting bigger and bigger
1:06:50
and bigger and bigger and bigger and
1:06:52
bigger and bigger Frederick. Do you have any last
1:06:55
words? I
1:06:57
don't know
1:07:00
Freddie looks to
1:07:03
the universe and says I was
1:07:06
right That's
1:07:10
a wrap on Frederick the bones be
1:07:14
The other goblins you
1:07:16
have not left the carriage yet the other goblins
1:07:18
in there they look around go wow he wasn't kidding
1:07:22
They get a broom Just
1:07:27
rolling They
1:07:30
sweep him out
1:07:33
We're back into forbidden zone I'll
1:07:36
be looking around This
1:07:39
is it. This is where we're supposed to be. What about
1:07:41
Fred? I don't know I am I
1:07:43
didn't want the witch hunters to stop us and
1:07:45
so I just I just went for it. I'm sorry
1:07:48
Yeah, no that that makes sense. You
1:07:50
can pick up Any of you really
1:07:53
make a perception roll for me Natural
1:07:57
one
1:07:59
natural one. Okay Albie,
1:08:02
you're looking around, you're looking around, but you're looking too
1:08:04
fast. Everything's just a blur. It's
1:08:08
so like her too. Branson, I
1:08:10
got an unnatural 20.
1:08:12
Okay, great. So, Belo,
1:08:14
the Forbidden Zone itself is beautiful. Serene.
1:08:18
Pristine in its natural innocence. One
1:08:20
cannot help but thinking of the Garden of Eden
1:08:22
when one looks upon it. Even if one
1:08:24
doesn't want to, one is just
1:08:27
out of luck on this one. One is
1:08:29
automatically thinking of the Garden of Eden.
1:08:32
Tough shit, one. Nature inside
1:08:34
the Forbidden Zone is healing.
1:08:36
Butterflies
1:08:38
slit harmlessly in and out of tree-dappled
1:08:40
shade.
1:08:41
The birds use the talents they possess, for
1:08:44
the woods would be quiet if none sang except
1:08:46
the best. The first air of autumn,
1:08:49
crisp and gentle, compliments the late summer
1:08:51
heaviness. The sense of sunscreen
1:08:54
and chlorine have already begun to ebb back
1:08:56
into the ocean of the year, as the minor melancholy
1:08:59
of back-to-school sales have begun their
1:09:01
gradual descent into the greater Los Angeles
1:09:03
area. Flight attendants prepare for landing.
1:09:06
There are no witch hunters here. There
1:09:09
are no witch hunted either. It's
1:09:11
just you.
1:09:13
The moment could go on forever.
1:09:16
Oh good. Except that I lied. Straight
1:09:18
plants is also here. Leave
1:09:20
this place!
1:09:24
You see an enormous demon burning from the
1:09:26
inside out. He floats the foot off the ground
1:09:28
in Christ pose as he says, leave this
1:09:31
place! You owe us
1:09:33
a boon! No, no,
1:09:35
you motherfuckers, no I do not. I
1:09:39
do one boon a day, and
1:09:41
today's not your day. Tomorrow's not looking
1:09:43
good either. It was one boon
1:09:46
a day! Okay, that's not tomorrow! One boon
1:09:48
a day? No, that would be dozens of boons. Yeah,
1:09:52
but we only need one. Oh,
1:09:54
what one boon could you need from...
1:09:56
You need to leave this place is the boon I
1:09:58
need. We
1:10:01
didn't say we'd give you a boon. We don't owe you boons.
1:10:04
Then I don't owe you- you owe me a boon as
1:10:06
much as I owe you a boon. Not true. I
1:10:08
get a cute t-shirt phrase, and
1:10:10
you guys spun it on me.
1:10:13
Listen, we can argue about this all day.
1:10:15
Are you gonna give us- That's like if I had a shirt that said Fart Loading.
1:10:17
It doesn't mean I'm always about to fart. Uh,
1:10:20
yeah, I gotta die. Uh, yeah. Uh.
1:10:23
Why
1:10:23
not? Take responsibility for the shirts you're putting
1:10:25
on, man.
1:10:26
No, I'll wear whatever shirt I want. Words
1:10:28
matter. A shirt appears on his body
1:10:31
as he says that. Uh, and the shirt,
1:10:33
uh, it- it says, uh,
1:10:36
marijuana's over one billion stone.
1:10:40
Listen straight, there have been many days where we
1:10:42
haven't asked you for that boon, and we're
1:10:44
here just asking for today's boon. I think you
1:10:46
can do us a solid on this one. What is
1:10:49
your boon? Name your boon and then leave this place. Wait,
1:10:52
hey, pedal up. Pedal up. Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay.
1:10:55
I'm right here. What-
1:10:57
what are we wearing? Freedom. When
1:11:00
do we want it? Now! Now!
1:11:02
Okay, I don't think we can ask you for freedom though.
1:11:05
Like, seriously. You dummies!
1:11:08
I'm forgetting to go for a high five. No, no, no. I'll
1:11:11
be- I'll be high five. Oh, okay, yeah, we
1:11:13
can high five. What if we just asked him to bring Polaris
1:11:15
back? Yo!
1:11:18
Wait! And then we wouldn't have
1:11:20
to die. And we could go tell
1:11:22
Freddy that he doesn't have to die either. We
1:11:25
can
1:11:25
try. I mean, I just think, if
1:11:28
I remember correctly, someone
1:11:30
told us that demons have very specific
1:11:32
jobs, and I have a feeling that bringing
1:11:35
Polaris up from hell is a straight
1:11:37
job.
1:11:38
Straight is like four feet away from you guys still
1:11:40
in Christ Pose, just sort of floating a foot off the ground,
1:11:42
waiting, looking around- Yeah, I'll be- I'm sorry,
1:11:46
I'll be flattered like the one
1:11:47
minute sign behind her, Adam. He nods, he
1:11:49
nods. His shirt didn't burn up,
1:11:51
which is sort of surprising him.
1:11:53
He's
1:11:56
like looking down. Do we think, if we
1:11:58
ask him for a boon, he can't do-
1:11:59
do we think we'd get another boon
1:12:02
that he can do? Like if we're
1:12:03
like, No, no, I can hear you,
1:12:05
no. What? Okay.
1:12:08
No. So we just have to know. I'm helping you by
1:12:10
the way. This is what they were talking about with
1:12:12
hell rules. There's apparently a lot
1:12:15
of rules.
1:12:16
And their labyrinthine. Yeah.
1:12:18
I don't know, a boon? I don't know. Can
1:12:21
we ask for a fire-frighty bag?
1:12:22
We'll ask him, we'll ask him like
1:12:25
to tell us what's the best way to
1:12:27
kill Lexicon Matters.
1:12:29
Okay, let's ask him.
1:12:31
On three.
1:12:32
One, two, three.
1:12:34
Wait, on three or right after three? Oh,
1:12:37
I like to say three and then do it. Okay,
1:12:39
okay. One, two. What's
1:12:44
the best way?
1:12:47
No? To
1:12:48
kill Lexicon Matters. To kill Lexicon
1:12:50
Matters.
1:12:52
Excuse me?
1:12:54
Can you tell us the best way to kill
1:12:56
Lexicon Matters? I can, but
1:12:58
I get in huge trouble. Well,
1:13:00
that's what boons are made of. Trouble.
1:13:05
I swear to God. And his
1:13:08
expression grows dark and storm
1:13:10
clouds form above him and lightning
1:13:12
crashes. And he says,
1:13:14
I need a new catchphrase.
1:13:16
Yeah, I
1:13:19
mean, I swear to God, kind of a weird thing for a demon
1:13:21
to do. I can swear to God. I
1:13:23
swear at him, I'll fuck God. Whoa,
1:13:27
whoa, whoa, whoa. What
1:13:29
a bad boy. Don't we tell my demons? We
1:13:32
killed a God. Great.
1:13:35
Thank you. It's even a busy summer. I've
1:13:37
been floating in Christ posts. It
1:13:39
was a busy
1:13:39
summer. So wait, can you not, you can't tell
1:13:42
us?
1:13:42
I can tell you and I will, but I'm
1:13:44
going to get in trouble. My rules
1:13:46
demand that I do offer you one boon.
1:13:50
We're sorry that you're gonna get in trouble. We didn't mean
1:13:52
for that. I don't think, I
1:13:54
don't think it's a pure monitor. We
1:13:57
do, I don't, I don't want you to get in trouble for it. I
1:14:00
don't... I don't... I don't... No,
1:14:02
I don't mind. I don't mind. I'm sorry.
1:14:04
No, you don't. You're not that sorry.
1:14:05
Yeah, I'm not that sorry. Are
1:14:10
you gonna tell us? No.
1:14:12
Yes. Fine.
1:14:16
I'll tell you how to defeat and
1:14:18
kill lexicon matters, but you won't
1:14:21
like it. Okay. And
1:14:23
neither will he. Why, especially I
1:14:25
hope. The
1:14:28
source of lexicon matters. How? Eyes and a single
1:14:30
item,
1:14:30
a single object. I know not what that
1:14:32
single item or object is, but I do
1:14:34
know it exists closely guarded. Destroy
1:14:40
that, and you will have
1:14:43
destroyed lexicon matters. Now leave
1:14:45
this place! Give us one more
1:14:47
boot. No! Not walking into that
1:14:49
one again! And
1:14:53
it's debatable if I walked into it in the first place.
1:14:56
One. No,
1:14:58
not come on! We
1:15:01
are
1:15:01
gonna leave this place, but we have to do
1:15:03
it a specific way.
1:15:04
What? Please, what way? Leave
1:15:08
this place now. I could unmake you.
1:15:10
Well, we have to die here. That could
1:15:12
be arranged. But
1:15:15
I... It can't be you. Why? I
1:15:19
made a promise. You made a promise?
1:15:22
Yeah, I made a promise. Oh,
1:15:24
and I think promises are super important to you, though. It can
1:15:26
be you for me. Okay, then
1:15:28
it will be. And he
1:15:30
waves his hand, Belo, and Cordelia and Albie, you watch
1:15:32
as Belo is unraveled. It
1:15:35
is like he just... He comes apart. The
1:15:39
atoms of Belo just scatter into the
1:15:41
wind. Albie, I don't
1:15:43
feel so good. I
1:15:46
heard Albie.
1:15:50
Those are his last words.
1:15:53
Belo. So
1:15:56
that's who you fuck with, by the way, when you pull
1:15:58
this boom shit on me.
1:16:00
Okay, good job, bud. Um,
1:16:03
yeah, we'll talk to you later.
1:16:05
I can't watch him do this to you. Yeah, we're
1:16:07
good on boons.
1:16:09
Then leave.
1:16:11
Leave this place. You have to go.
1:16:14
Okay.
1:16:16
Um, I'll be, uh, I'll
1:16:18
be like, takes Cordelia's hand
1:16:22
and they like, shuffle away from Strayed.
1:16:24
He appears right in front of you. No, no, no, don't go deeper
1:16:27
into the Forbidden Zone. I know this trick.
1:16:30
Leave the Forbidden Zone, leave this place or
1:16:32
not to be here. Oh, I, okay.
1:16:35
All right, actually I didn't understand. That
1:16:37
was what you were saying. Well, not that
1:16:39
specific, obviously
1:16:42
the place of the Forbidden Zone.
1:16:44
We're leaving soon. Give us 10 minutes.
1:16:47
10 minutes? Yeah, just give us 10 minutes. No, what do I unravel
1:16:50
you both right now? No,
1:16:52
I promised someone.
1:16:53
I promised someone she could kill
1:16:55
me. If I didn't have such
1:16:57
reverence for the power of a spoken
1:16:59
promise, you'd be unraveled.
1:17:03
You'd ruin the day.
1:17:08
Just give us our, our owed third
1:17:10
boon and give us 10 minutes.
1:17:12
What third boon, what fucking third
1:17:14
boon did I ever promise you? To us,
1:17:16
you owed us so many back taxes
1:17:19
of boons. I said I- Give us
1:17:21
our second boon! I, no, you don't, you're not owed
1:17:23
a boon. You're owed no boon. Give
1:17:25
us 10 minutes.
1:17:26
You unraveled my boyfriend.
1:17:29
You would give me a boon. What, what?
1:17:31
No, sorry, no, you want me to give you another
1:17:33
boon. If I give you this boon. Yes.
1:17:37
If, using my words correctly here. If
1:17:40
I give you this boon. You must
1:17:42
leave this place
1:17:43
and you must never speak to me again.
1:17:46
You must never talk
1:17:48
with your little, your leprechaun logic of boons
1:17:50
and promises.
1:17:52
Yeah, this, I don't want to talk to
1:17:54
you anymore. That's great. Okay, bye. 10 minutes.
1:17:57
Go away.
1:17:58
He drifts backwards.
1:17:59
wearing his Golden Arches marijuana's
1:18:02
over 100 billion stone shirt. God,
1:18:07
I'm sorry,
1:18:07
are you okay? It's, we're about
1:18:09
to see you again. That was awful. Yeah. That
1:18:12
was awful. I know, I know. Oh man, Kord, I can't.
1:18:15
I know. I can't watch you die.
1:18:18
Okay, well, uh, hmm. So
1:18:21
you want to go first? What
1:18:23
if we just sit here in
1:18:26
this really nice grass,
1:18:27
back to back, and
1:18:31
see if she shows up?
1:18:34
Yeah,
1:18:34
okay, let's do that. Let's see. And then I don't
1:18:36
have to
1:18:36
see? Is that okay? Yeah. And
1:18:39
we could just be together. Kordelia
1:18:42
sits and turns away
1:18:46
from Albie.
1:18:48
Albie sits and
1:18:50
leans her head against Kordelia's
1:18:53
back.
1:18:58
Weird day. Weird
1:19:01
day. You know,
1:19:05
I did sort of think it
1:19:08
might be you and
1:19:10
me at the end. What
1:19:12
do you mean? What do you mean?
1:19:18
I mean, like, I mean, you're not in
1:19:21
the whole thing? Mm. You know you needed
1:19:23
to. You need to live here? Yeah. I
1:19:27
guess I'm just
1:19:30
so glad I do. Albie,
1:19:34
are you going to the bathroom right now? No.
1:19:38
Okay, I'm sorry. I sat in something wet. I
1:19:40
thought that was you. I know you're... I
1:19:43
wouldn't do that to you. Okay, alright, I just need
1:19:46
a shift. It's probably just
1:19:49
do. You
1:19:51
know, speaking
1:19:53
of do. Yeah.
1:19:55
It's really lovely
1:19:56
out here. It's really
1:19:58
nice. with the grass
1:20:02
and the trees. Albie
1:20:08
just kind of lays
1:20:11
backwards so that her head is like next
1:20:13
to Cordelia's lap and
1:20:15
she's just like she's got her eyes closed
1:20:18
and her head is resting in the grass.
1:20:20
Cordelia lays down too. It's
1:20:22
really pretty here. It smells
1:20:25
nice. Yeah
1:20:27
if it wasn't for the fact that we condemned a lot of
1:20:29
souls to hell. Yeah I know. I would
1:20:32
say we should leave it the way it is. I
1:20:34
just keep thinking about Renna. You
1:20:39
know it's Renna right? I do. Okay
1:20:43
cool.
1:20:45
I mean fuck her and everything but.
1:20:47
Yeah exactly. Albie reaches
1:20:50
her hand behind her to grasp
1:20:53
Cordelia's hand. Cordelia
1:20:56
holds it. Maybe she didn't make it. Uh
1:21:01
look I don't know I didn't I didn't make the
1:21:03
I forgot I actually kind of forgot
1:21:04
about that. I just knew we were coming.
1:21:07
You did? I'm sorry I just like everything happens
1:21:09
fast here. From
1:21:10
the trees you hear uh
1:21:12
we're at five minutes just a heads up. Oh
1:21:15
my god. He's
1:21:17
a lot. I
1:21:19
can see why they were like don't be in hell
1:21:21
with us go up there. Yeah just please
1:21:24
just go somewhere else and do your
1:21:25
thing for sure. Yeah. You
1:21:28
hear a rustling. I'll
1:21:30
be a strip titan. You can't
1:21:34
tell if it's the wind or the trees or what's
1:21:36
happening but it's a distinct rustling
1:21:38
and it's getting louder. Um
1:21:43
is
1:21:44
that you or?
1:21:46
No okay. It's
1:21:53
okay. It's okay. I'm ready. Getting
1:21:55
louder. I'm ready. It's
1:22:01
getting louder and louder. Come
1:22:03
on! And then it stops. Oh.
1:22:10
And as you laugh, the thin woman emerges from
1:22:12
the bushes. She's moving extremely quickly.
1:22:15
And with a long rapier, Corgilia, she stabs
1:22:17
you right through the chest. Albi, you feel
1:22:19
it as it moves through your own chest and out through
1:22:21
your heart. Both of your hearts
1:22:23
have been pierced by the same rapier. Wait.
1:22:31
Not me.
1:22:34
Corgla looks down at the blade in her chest.
1:22:38
And with a hand not holding Albi's,
1:22:40
she pulls Virginia's eyes from where
1:22:42
she had tucked them into her fur.
1:22:45
And she lets them drop to the ground. No point.
1:22:49
Letting Virginia rest in peace. She's
1:22:52
flown forward.
1:22:54
And the last thing those eyes see and
1:22:56
that you see is this thin woman
1:22:58
before you. She falls to the ground. All of
1:23:00
her clothes fall into a
1:23:02
heap on the ground and out from underneath.
1:23:06
Looks a seagull. Pops
1:23:08
its head out. Looks squirrely to both
1:23:10
sides. It caws. It
1:23:13
spreads its wings and it flies off into
1:23:15
the sky. The last thing your
1:23:17
ears hear are, We're
1:23:18
at two minutes. Two
1:23:21
minutes.
1:23:24
Your bodies fall from below. You pale and useless
1:23:26
like the skin of some great snake, left
1:23:29
there for giant third graders on a field
1:23:31
trip to find and touch with sticks.
1:23:35
If you were to look back, you would
1:23:37
see nothing more than the shell that used to contain
1:23:39
you. No more you than
1:23:41
a pair of jinkos you took off in eighth grade,
1:23:44
not realizing you'd never put them back on. Finally,
1:23:48
you stand naked in the wind
1:23:50
and melt into the sun. Your
1:23:52
breath, freed from its restless tides,
1:23:56
rises and expands and
1:23:58
seeks God unencumbered.
1:24:00
You have reached the mountaintop. Only
1:24:04
now may you climb. The
1:24:06
earth has claimed your limbs. Only
1:24:08
now shall you truly dance.
1:24:11
Like a candle snuffed, the light is
1:24:13
gone, but the smoke remains.
1:24:16
The scent of you fills the room. You
1:24:19
have no eyes to see, but also no
1:24:21
skull to block the perimeter of vision. All
1:24:24
around you is
1:24:25
a growing light.
1:24:28
Cordelia, you
1:24:30
approach it
1:24:32
before a loud buzzer sounds and you hear a
1:24:34
voice say, consulted with demons,
1:24:38
application denied,
1:24:40
and then you're falling.
1:24:43
Albie, you approach.
1:24:47
Again the buzzer.
1:24:48
You hear the same voice say, murder,
1:24:51
rage,
1:24:52
anxiety, which we consider sinful,
1:24:55
and turning your back on Nirvana,
1:24:57
application denied, and
1:25:00
then you're falling. Then there's bellow.
1:25:03
You approach third. Once
1:25:05
again the buzzer sounds as you hear a voice
1:25:07
say, is a demon, nothing
1:25:10
personal but application denied,
1:25:13
and then you're falling. Only half.
1:25:15
The bones be.
1:25:17
You approach last.
1:25:19
Before you can even make it very close to
1:25:21
the light though, the buzzer just begins sounding over
1:25:24
and over again. Application, the
1:25:26
most denied it has ever been. Well,
1:25:28
I would like you. All
1:25:31
of you falling and falling
1:25:34
and falling and falling for
1:25:36
what feels like something between a millionth of a second
1:25:39
and longer than you were ever alive. Everything
1:25:42
goes black as the sun and the 17 moons
1:25:45
turn their backs on you. You're
1:25:47
in freefall, but the sickening
1:25:49
feeling of the ground rushing up to claim you is
1:25:52
replaced by a complete void.
1:25:54
Even the ground has turned its back from you.
1:25:57
But not everything has turned its back
1:25:59
on you. A
1:26:01
strange heat fills your, I
1:26:04
wanna say, chest? It's
1:26:07
weird, you have a chest again. It's
1:26:09
as if this awful heat is reforming
1:26:12
you, giving you something for you to define yourself
1:26:14
against. There's this horrible, growing,
1:26:17
hot, humid air. It feels like
1:26:19
fucking in August with no AC when you're 19. It's
1:26:22
the absolute worst, but what are you gonna do? Not
1:26:24
fuck, buddy, I don't think so. You feel
1:26:26
sweat pouring off of your skin as it
1:26:28
sizzles like bacon, and it's the sweetest
1:26:30
goddamn feeling in the world. You're
1:26:33
you! You're you, baby! Not the you you used
1:26:35
to catch in mirrors and shutter rats, but the real
1:26:38
you you always knew you were. You
1:26:40
look around, and you see your comrades.
1:26:43
All of you, but no, no, sirfry, but okay,
1:26:45
that's the rest of you. They look like the version
1:26:47
of them that you picture in your head
1:26:49
when you talk about them in stories. You're
1:26:51
cruising down a dark desert highway, cool
1:26:54
wind in your hair. The bright neon sign
1:26:56
reads, welcome to hell, smoke them if
1:26:58
you got them. The population sign is
1:27:01
moving upwards too fast to read. It
1:27:03
pauses briefly to read. Depressing, ain't
1:27:05
it? Your car? Fuck
1:27:07
yeah, yeah, you're driving a car. It's a cherry red 1957
1:27:09
Chevy Bel Air at 166 miles an hour. You
1:27:14
don't know what a car is, but you can get the
1:27:16
gist of it. You know exactly what the gist
1:27:18
of this is. Your car tears off
1:27:21
down the desert highway towards an enormous
1:27:23
wooden gate, the size of the colossus
1:27:25
of roads. Torch is lying, it's stone
1:27:27
supports evoking a 1993 blockbuster
1:27:30
covered under parody law. Slowly,
1:27:33
the gates begin to open, but your car
1:27:35
is moving too fast. It crashes into
1:27:37
them, chilling all of you instantly. Good
1:27:39
luck if you're dead. You emerge, you ash
1:27:41
in
1:27:41
space from the explosion, blinking
1:27:43
as if to say, what a woman, and you see
1:27:46
it all laid out before you. This
1:27:49
is hell. Endless caves
1:27:51
and caverns under lit by flame stretch
1:27:54
on infinitely in MCS'er
1:27:55
dimensions. If you switch, you
1:27:57
can just
1:27:58
see the unpaid or interned.
1:27:59
of roof hills of magic struggling
1:28:02
to finish drawing hell itself, has tiny
1:28:04
imps with the face of Branson Reese laugh
1:28:06
maniacally and crack whips at them. Neon
1:28:09
signs advertising every possible
1:28:11
sin slashed before you. You take
1:28:13
it in like a Beverly hillbilly in an opening
1:28:16
credit. Averist. Sloth.
1:28:18
Wrath. Chastity? The lights
1:28:20
flicker off and it changes to lust as millions
1:28:23
of damn souls rush in through its seedy
1:28:26
purple velvet doors. A large
1:28:28
bulldog that looks almost nothing like
1:28:30
a real bulldog and everything like a burly 1940s
1:28:33
union worker chases a cat who looks
1:28:35
almost nothing like an actual cat and everything
1:28:38
like a skinny 1940s alcoholic
1:28:40
until the cat turns and slicking
1:28:43
back its hair and affecting a regal disposition
1:28:45
pulls out a knife and splits the bulldog's throat
1:28:47
playing it like a large cello you
1:28:49
round a corner and are almost taken out by
1:28:52
a Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade of demons.
1:28:54
A hoda caught me with wings like a bat
1:28:56
and the eyes of a spider and an unchanged
1:28:59
Al Roker in winter wear announced to the
1:29:01
camera. Ladies and gentlemen the parade
1:29:03
of adulterers as hundreds of unfaithful
1:29:06
spouses perform acts of marital
1:29:08
infidelity on float-sized marital beds.
1:29:11
Your pulls up onto the floats like fair fuelers
1:29:13
and a microphone is placed in front of Frederick de
1:29:15
Bonesby. Freddy what do you say? The
1:29:21
crowd goes wild
1:29:23
welcome to hell baby welcome home.
1:29:27
All right there wow Red
1:29:31
that was amazing that
1:29:44
was Ali Fisher and
1:29:46
Cornelia Ali
1:29:49
Manado
1:29:49
with Albie Christopher
1:29:52
Hastings with Frederick de Bonesby
1:29:55
Jolipore and fellow She's
1:29:58
flat as stir-fry and
1:30:01
Brett DeGree says everything and
1:30:03
everyone else. Rote
1:30:05
Tales of Magic is produced by Bucket
1:30:08
and Milk. And it is
1:30:10
a sound designed by Michael
1:30:12
Wolf, with additional sound
1:30:14
designs from Michael Jelce
1:30:16
and Taylor Moore. And as always,
1:30:18
special thanks for Tyler Puttin
1:30:20
and Sidney and Benjamin Paul.
1:30:23
And our big freak, saying with
1:30:25
me, Christina Lopez!
1:30:35
Well, listeners, it's another episode
1:30:37
of Rude Tales of Magic, and it's not
1:30:40
even over yet! That's right, fool!
1:30:43
It's midnight, somewhere far,
1:30:45
far away from our main story. A
1:30:48
brave little girl lies extremely
1:30:51
still in her bed, still
1:30:53
awake long past her bedtime.
1:30:56
Her closet has been making the
1:30:58
strangest noises for the past several minutes.
1:31:02
It's the kind of thing her parents would tell her is nothing
1:31:04
to be worried about. But already, she's
1:31:06
learned that what adults say and
1:31:08
what adults mean aren't
1:31:11
always the same thing. The
1:31:14
rustling in her closet grows louder, more
1:31:17
ominous. She
1:31:20
holds her breath as the closet door creaks
1:31:22
open,
1:31:23
and a large black finger crests
1:31:26
the side of the door. Her
1:31:28
pupils are tiny lifeboats in
1:31:30
a sea of sclera as her eyes go
1:31:32
wider than she ever thought possible. A
1:31:36
horrible creature shambles out of
1:31:38
her closet.
1:31:41
Hello!
1:31:43
I'm your guardian angel, and
1:31:46
I've sort of... You'll
1:31:48
be the first I get it right. You'll be the first I get it right.
1:31:51
And don't worry, I've got an incentive, because if I get you right and
1:31:53
get more right, then I can be my ex-fiancee
1:31:55
guardian angel. Why
1:31:59
do you have...
1:31:59
wings.
1:32:01
You get to pick your wings in heaven.
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