Hello Ruin Nation, this week Smhoak ruins a conversation with Abbie from Mars. Young and full of spirit, Abbie's work ignores a lot of standard artistic divisions that keep us down. Listen to her excellent radio show Saturday nights at midnight est on WFMU. (and side shoutout to pod buddy Marty McSorely who has the show before hers.)

And, to settle a mystery established in the ep, Smhoak and Abbie are friends.

https://abbiefrommars.com/

https://abbiefrommars.bandcamp.com

This episode brought to you by Garbaggio.

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