0:08

Hello, welcome to the show. Hey Dan.

0:10

Hello. Do you like ghosts? I love ghosts.

0:12

Not, you know, as in the sitcom. Oh

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that's good too. Yeah. Well, we've got, we've

0:17

got one of the stars.

0:19

You might know him from the great British sewing bee. Today

0:22

you're going to know about him because he's on

0:24

the show. You know that because you booked it.

0:26

I don't know why I'm telling you. It's Kyle

0:28

Smith Byno's Wonder Box. So

0:32

Kyle. Yeah. We have to talk about

0:35

your t-shirt. This. Yeah.

0:37

It's wonderful. This little thing.

0:39

Yeah. So I got this made especially because I

0:41

was doing a convention. Yeah. And I didn't know

0:43

what to wear and I thought I want to

0:46

wear something sort of slightly related to work I've

0:48

done but not obviously of my own face. Yes.

0:50

Because that's already up here. Does Katie Wicks know

0:52

that you're going around with her? She's going to

0:55

find out right now. Yes. It's

0:59

good though. Yeah. I like Carol Collins is

1:01

like I think the one

1:04

of the most iconic characters from Stathlet's

1:06

Flats and

1:09

I felt that she had to be immortalized some way.

1:11

I like it. So I got this made. And it

1:13

has a real look of how sort

1:15

of like 80s films. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You

1:18

know, you can

1:20

imagine that being from like Neighbours.

1:22

Yeah. I think the even the Collins I

1:24

think that is

1:27

the font for Neighbours. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

1:29

It's exactly the way I wanted it.

1:31

Yeah. It's come out. The pink brings

1:33

everything out. It's perfect. What

1:35

is the what's the first thing in your Wonder Box? The

1:38

first thing in my Wonder Box is a moment

1:42

for my childhood which reminds

1:45

me of like a

1:47

time of complete happiness and also is

1:52

maybe the origin of my

1:55

love for rebellion. Okay. Good.

1:58

Good lead up. So when

2:01

I was in Lanzarote with

2:03

my family, maybe, I

2:05

wanna say I was seven or eight. And

2:09

you know those sort of apartment hotels sort of

2:11

vibe? And-

2:15

Complex. A complex.

2:17

Yeah. And there

2:19

were just a bunch of children who were all on

2:21

holiday. And me and two of

2:23

my cousins, Simone Monique, had

2:26

gone downstairs and were just hanging out with

2:28

these other kids. Eight

2:30

years old in the sun. Yeah. I

2:33

can see it. And then sun's going down and

2:35

we're sort of like restless

2:37

kids just trying to like get

2:40

up to mischief in any way we could. And

2:43

we decided to build a fort out of deck

2:45

chairs. And we created

2:47

this sort of like, I mean, it's

2:49

big. And I've got a picture of it. And

2:52

it's just like a bunch

2:54

of deck chairs that we put together and made a fort and we

2:56

were going in and there was like one way in, one way out.

3:00

And our parents were fuming because

3:02

we dragged deck chairs from all over

3:05

the like different pools. They were like

3:07

the adult pools and then the kids, the family

3:09

pools and all that stuff. And we'd gone all

3:12

around the complex to try and find more deck

3:14

chairs. There must have been some furious Germans the

3:16

next morning. Yeah. Yeah. So

3:21

you can, someone took a photo of it. Yeah,

3:23

yeah. And there's a photo

3:25

of like Monique sort

3:27

of like in action, just running away from it. Because

3:29

we were all blaming the other kids. It was like,

3:31

oh, it wasn't that, it was them. They told us

3:33

to do it. Cause I got in trouble

3:35

quite a bit when I was younger, just cause I was like,

3:38

I wasn't naughty, but I was just like, I

3:40

guess I was curious. Did

3:43

you want to know what it felt like? Yeah,

3:45

I was adventurous. So I was

3:47

always doing stuff. And the thing

3:50

about that event is that I couldn't get in trouble

3:52

by myself because it was a group thing. And the

3:54

reason, sorry, the reason I mentioned that is because I'm

3:56

an only child. So whenever I was

3:58

getting in trouble at home. it's all on

4:00

me because I don't have like any brothers or sisters to

4:02

blame. Whereas with

4:05

that and when I was with my cousins and

4:07

a bunch of other strangers, that

4:09

then I can go, oh, it wasn't just me.

4:11

And so I didn't just get in trouble for

4:13

it. And that felt electric. So whenever you were

4:16

kind of on holiday, going to like a kids

4:18

club, Yeah. You weren't seeing friends, you were seeing

4:20

sort of patsies. Yeah. That's that. Yeah. Do

4:23

you know what I mean? I'm gonna, I'm gonna kill a cat

4:25

and I'm gonna blame it on you. Yeah, exactly. I can't blame

4:27

it on anyone here. There's so many people to blame this on.

4:29

Such an interesting way of looking at friends. So,

4:33

but it's so interesting. So what you

4:35

want to put in the Wonder Box

4:38

is the feeling of being collectively

4:40

told off by adults, but it's shared.

4:42

Yeah. But also sort of like getting

4:44

away with it. Because like, no

4:47

one, like the trouble lasted, like, we

4:50

got shouted at and that was the end. There was no

4:52

sort of repercussion. We didn't have to put

4:54

them back. We don't know where they came from. I don't

4:56

know. That green one's from the green area. So

4:59

were there any other moments with your cousins? Were they kind

5:02

of like your real partners in crime? Well,

5:04

I mean, they, they

5:06

were naughtier than me because their mum wasn't

5:09

as strict. Right. Their

5:11

mum then and now enjoys being

5:13

the cool, the cool one

5:15

that's sort of down with the kids. So

5:18

they could sort of do more and get

5:20

less trouble for it. Whereas my mum was,

5:23

and still is a bit very strict. And

5:26

so I couldn't get away with anything. So when

5:29

it was a group thing, I

5:31

always had someone to share the blame. Right. And

5:33

that felt great. Yes. Yes. Yes. But

5:36

there weren't really many incidences where

5:38

it was like a specific feeling. I

5:41

remember, I remember we went to Butlins

5:43

in Scotland when we were younger and.

5:46

Lanzarote. Good. Butlins,

5:50

Scotland. Better. I mean, better.

5:54

Was it? No. Well, I don't, to be honest,

5:56

I don't remember many

5:58

other things in Lanzarote apart. from those,

6:00

those, those Dutch air escapades and Simone being

6:02

really scared of the candles. So tell me

6:04

what happened at Scotland. What

6:07

I do remember is that I had to have different

6:09

pyjamas every day because I spilled my cereal

6:12

on my pyjamas every morning. Wow. Jesus Christ. Yeah,

6:14

and when I think about you. I'm not worried

6:16

about you. Yeah. How are you eating? When I

6:18

think about that, I'm like, why did I have

6:21

that many pyjamas? Yeah, man. Do

6:24

they know that that was gonna happen? Yeah. But

6:26

that's one of the main memories

6:28

from then, but also there

6:31

were some other kids who I think

6:33

would just be in friendly, but we

6:35

had been left at home, but

6:38

like with the door locked. And

6:41

so our parents had gone, I don't know, shopping or

6:43

whatever. Didn't want to bring the kids. Left us indoors

6:45

with the door locked, but windows open. And

6:49

some kids had sort of stopped by and we were

6:51

talking, we were chatting to them through the window. And

6:54

then they were like passing

6:56

us like snacks. Through

6:59

the window as if we were

7:01

like. That's amazing. How lucky are you?

7:03

Prisoners. Yeah, yeah. I mean,

7:06

I can't remember what the snacks were. We're probably talking

7:08

mini cheddars. I imagine. I think five Mars

7:10

bars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. They

7:12

might've been like that. Yeah, haggis. Yeah. And

7:15

then I remember one of, I think it was Monique.

7:17

What is it with the Scots and freedom? They

7:19

just wanted you out. And

7:22

I think it was Monique, my younger cousin, who

7:24

was just like became really scared of them. Because

7:27

they were just feeding her. Yeah, I

7:29

think they were being really nice, but I feel

7:32

like. So she was like, what's up here? Yeah,

7:34

yeah, yeah. And then she didn't like it. And

7:36

then we were trying to get them to go,

7:38

but they didn't want to because they were having

7:40

a nice time. Wow.

7:43

There's a real sort of psychological thriller in that,

7:45

isn't it? That you've got these sort

7:47

of two kids hanging out and then these Scottish

7:49

children come along and they're like, just trying to,

7:52

oh, would you like a bit of this? There's

7:54

shortbread for the children from London. Would you like

7:56

that? And you were like, yeah, that'd be nice.

7:58

And before you know. I know it. Yeah.

8:01

I'm like, oh, I'm playing another record. Hey, now we need you to

8:03

do our bidding. Do you know what I

8:05

mean? And suddenly you're

8:07

indebted. Yeah. That's how gangs work. They

8:09

were trying to groom you. They

8:11

were trying to groom you with Doritos, man. They

8:14

were younger than you. I think they were, yeah. Fuck, I

8:16

think you might have imagined these kids. They were like sort

8:18

of sprites. I haven't actually spoken to

8:20

my cousins about this in a long time. We

8:22

need to get Monique on the blow. Yeah. What

8:25

does Monique do now? Monique is in some

8:28

sort of office. Okay. Yeah.

8:31

It feels like you're not listening to me. It's

8:33

a family do. Well, do you know what it

8:35

is? Monique doesn't talk about her work that much

8:37

where Simone, her sister, talks about

8:39

her work because she does a job where she needs

8:41

to get clients. She makes cakes.

8:43

She's got a cake business. And

8:46

she does amazing cakes. She's done all my birthday cakes

8:48

for all my parties. And I've passed

8:50

on to some of my friends to do their cakes.

8:52

And she makes like elaborate cakes with like

8:54

alcohol bottles in and all sorts of stuff. You

8:56

know, like you can put the miniatures in the

8:58

cakes and all that. So she

9:00

does me a Disarono cake every year, which I love. Yeah,

9:03

it's great. What's

9:05

the name? She Bakes. Is that which?

9:08

She Bakes. Yeah. She Bakes. And that's her company

9:10

and it's, yeah, great cakes. But

9:13

Monique, no idea. Do you

9:15

have family? Work's in an office. Yeah. I

9:17

mean, she's not sure. I'm sure it's really good work. Yeah, yeah.

9:19

It's funny, isn't it? But my brother's the same. I don't know

9:21

what he does. Right. Work's in an

9:24

office. Yeah. My dad the same. Although

9:26

my dad is now retired. Right. He's got a

9:28

lot of squirrels in his garden. This

9:30

week he's caught eight. Caught?

9:33

Caught because they keep trying to like take the

9:35

seeds from the flower bed. So he's

9:38

caught these squirrels and then he draws. Catches

9:40

them in a bath with this sort of trap.

9:43

None of them die. But then what he does, he takes.

9:45

There's a bath in a garden. He's got a bath in

9:47

his garden. Right. Catches the squirrels. Well,

9:49

and he just like waits under the water. No, no, no. I

9:52

don't know what it is. I haven't checked it.

9:54

All I know is once he's got them squirrels,

9:56

he takes them in his car, drives them, and

9:58

then releases them. Which

10:00

is fucked innit? Because how is

10:03

he to know that he isn't separating family members?

10:05

Do you know what I mean? Also,

10:08

what are they doing in that car? What do they think is

10:10

happening? Oh no no no, he's still got them in the cage.

10:12

He hasn't like... Oh the cage! No,

10:15

because he's catching them in a cage and then he's releasing

10:17

them. You missed out the cage bit. I did, yeah. It

10:19

was just the bath. In my head it was a bag.

10:22

In fact there was a bag of squirrels. No no

10:25

no. So hang on a minute, so

10:27

you thought my dad was in the bath using his

10:30

balls as bait. We like snorkel. So

10:32

they're like, look at the fucking nuts on that. No no no, it wasn't that. It

10:35

was... but he's obsessed with it.

10:37

You ever want to catch a first squirrel? So

10:39

they say. So

10:41

they say. Yeah. Let's

10:49

move beyond childhood naughtiness. What's

10:52

next in the Wonderbox? Yes,

10:55

so this is also a feeling. And

10:58

it's a memory that's

11:01

so clear in my mind. And I

11:03

don't think if

11:05

I had a hundred goes I would not be able to recreate

11:07

this. I was at summer

11:09

school. I went to drama summer school in East London. And

11:13

we would do plays and put on

11:15

shows and things like that. And in

11:17

the lunchtime break we would play football.

11:20

We'd had so many complaints from the neighbours

11:22

about a ball flying over

11:24

the gates and what not. That we had

11:26

to play football with a tennis ball. So

11:30

there was one day we were playing football

11:32

and I was in goal. And

11:36

there was... I can't remember who

11:38

I was talking to. But

11:40

I'm just chatting to someone in the middle of the game. You

11:42

know the ball's over there so you can still have a chat.

11:45

It's not an important

11:47

match. It's just lunchtime football. And

11:52

I'm talking to someone and then someone shouts my name.

11:54

And I turn and I

11:56

catch the tennis ball. And I've saved the

11:58

goal. but I've also done

12:01

this sort of no-look catch and

12:03

the whole playground grows nuts. It

12:05

erupts. And

12:08

I just feel in that moment I'm like

12:10

the greatest sporting hero in the world. And

12:14

yeah, and it was like a, I was like a

12:16

super hero and everyone

12:18

was talking about it for the rest of the day. And

12:20

just that moment there, if I could bottle

12:22

that and just

12:24

like open it every now and then and just feel

12:27

a little bit, I felt like invincible. And I'm

12:29

not a sporty person. So

12:32

do you think that's what it was? It was just that suddenly

12:35

the tangible electricity

12:37

of... Yeah. Because

12:40

it's that there's a brilliant quote isn't there

12:42

that Stephen Fry was very jealous of Ian

12:44

Botham because when Ian Botham bowled somebody out,

12:46

nobody in the crowd is going, did that

12:49

work for you? Right, yeah,

12:51

yeah, yeah. There's something about sport that

12:53

is a definite. Yeah. There's

12:55

nothing to question. The ball went fast.

12:57

You caught the ball. Yeah. You're the hero.

12:59

Everyone's seen it. It's

13:02

also more impressive that I wasn't even interested.

13:04

You weren't even looking. Yeah. So

13:07

what do you think happened? You think there was just

13:09

this sort of magic that happened in your hand? That's what

13:11

I did. Yeah. How did you do it? Did you

13:13

hear it? I

13:15

must have. Is it self-treadiness? Sona? Yeah. But you

13:17

were just kind of like... Yeah. Yeah. I'm... Because

13:20

I'm half tempted to just throw a baby at

13:22

you. Just do it. Maybe,

13:25

maybe your sport in brilliance only

13:27

arrives when you're not totally there.

13:30

Oh, maybe. So maybe it's that thing. So other

13:32

times I've been trying too hard. Maybe. I'm

13:35

very good at catching and throwing anyway, because my mum

13:37

made sure... It was one of... You know, there's

13:39

some things that some parents make sure that their kids

13:41

are able to do. I've got a best friend. Her

13:43

dad made sure that she was able to write with

13:46

her feet just in case anything happened to her hands.

13:48

Well, let's just put... Let's put a pin in. Let's

13:50

put a pin in. You being able to catch. What

13:55

did she... What did her dad foresee

13:58

that thought that suddenly there's going to be a world? where

14:00

kids aren't allowed to write with their hands. He's just

14:02

like, you need to be able to do loads of

14:05

stuff with your feet. So she can like change the

14:07

channel. What the

14:09

fuck? So she can write with her feet. She can write

14:11

with her feet. She can pick stuff up. She's very like,

14:14

she uses her feet like hands. Oh

14:16

my God. I

14:20

wanna know what you're thinking. What I'm thinking, can she

14:22

wax someone off with them? That's what

14:24

I'm thinking. She's probably tried. Yeah, that's

14:26

what I was thinking. Like, stands to

14:28

reason. Growing up as a young

14:30

lady, if you can write with your feet and

14:33

you can pick stuff up with your feet after a while,

14:35

you're gonna show that to your boyfriend. You

14:38

go, look at this skill or your husband, whatever. Hey

14:41

look, I can write in my feet and he's gonna

14:43

naturally go, that's interesting. I wonder if she

14:45

could jack me off with him. Right. And

14:47

here we are. Ask her for me. I will ask

14:49

her. Not for me. Ask her for a friend. No,

14:51

it will be for you. No, no, no, because that's

14:53

how rumors start. Is she married? No. Okay.

14:57

She's very single. Yeah.

15:00

Okay. Yeah. Not because of

15:02

the feet. No, no, no, of course not. She's

15:04

going to shake hands. Yeah, exactly. The

15:08

wedding handing over the ring like that. But

15:12

she could. Yeah. Why did her

15:14

dad make, was she an only child? No, her

15:16

brother can do it too. Fucking hell. Yeah.

15:19

What was he planning? I don't understand. I

15:22

don't understand the, like I understand coding, learning

15:24

Mandarin. You know what I mean? Learning things,

15:27

building a bunker. Like there's certain things that

15:29

may happen. But when you get another, there's

15:31

going to come a time where you

15:33

can't allow to use their house. Maybe in

15:36

case they got kidnapped or something. Yeah, true.

15:39

I love it though. It's the, you

15:41

just can't pick your parents, can you? But

15:44

do you know what I mean? The fact that, what was your dad

15:46

like? Oh, my dad was a big man. What did he make you

15:48

do? Picture up with my feet. Right with

15:50

my feet. But it was like, he was, I think he was

15:52

quite strict about it. Was he? He was like, right,

15:54

you have to be able to do this. Just in case.

15:57

Yeah. Yeah,

15:59

so. Yeah,

24:00

yeah. In the audience, who would come to that? Was

24:02

that kind of... There was a lot of parents and

24:04

family, but there was also like just paying customers

24:08

that just wanted to come and see kids

24:10

do comedy. So what does that feel like age

24:13

13, getting a laugh from a crowd

24:15

that must have felt electric? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,

24:17

but it's all I never wanted. From when I

24:19

did the nativity play, when I was four, I

24:21

was like, I want to... This is it? Yeah,

24:24

yeah, I want to get those laughs. I want to like get a response from

24:26

an audience. So like those shows,

24:28

and I've always done like other like

24:30

smaller improv shows, but now that I've got

24:32

my own show called Storybro, it's like it's

24:35

a show about the audience and

24:37

the audience tell us stories. Yeah. And

24:39

then we improvise based on the stories that we've been taught. Oh,

24:41

that's cool. But I come out and do the first five minutes

24:43

and I'm not a stand up, but I'll just come out and

24:45

start chatting to an audience member. And

24:50

usually I'll have like something

24:52

to fall back on in case like that chat

24:54

is not going well. And

24:56

then the first sort of laugh that you

24:58

get from the room, you know, okay, this

25:00

is what they like. Then I'll bring out

25:02

the four other improvisers. So there's

25:04

five of us in total. Then I'll bring out a

25:06

special guest and the special guest starts talking to a

25:09

member of the audience about a story. So someone tell me

25:11

something that's happened in their life or someone tell me something

25:13

that's happened today. Or you look like

25:15

you've got a story or has anyone got a story

25:18

about romance or whatever, whichever way the special guest wants

25:20

to do it, they get a story out of someone from

25:22

the audience. Yeah. So

25:24

those five improvisers will start improvising

25:26

scenes based on what we've been told.

25:28

So we won't act out their story,

25:31

but we'll do versions of, or we'll do it from

25:33

the angle that we find the funniest. Yeah. Yeah.

25:37

So like for example, we had a girl that was in the

25:39

audience that told us a story about when she moved to Manchester

25:41

uni and it was her first week there

25:44

and her other housemates had left and she

25:46

opened the cupboard and there was a snake

25:48

in the kitchen cupboard and

25:51

it was a Sunday evening and she didn't know what to

25:53

do. She tried to call RSPCA and they were like, our

25:55

line's open at 8 AM on Monday. And

25:57

so she called her mum. Her mum told her to call her plumber.

28:00

It was actually it was about someone having

28:02

the confidence to tell a story because it

28:04

turned out that he was the boyfriend of

28:06

the girl who told the first story. We

28:08

did three stories a show and the girl

28:10

who told the first story about how she

28:12

learned to tap dance on Zoom. Okay, that

28:14

works. That was great. But

28:17

then he told the story later and we're like, how

28:19

did these two, how are you a

28:21

couple when you know what a good story is and you don't have

28:23

a clue? And so it became about that. So

28:26

it's a, yeah. And are you doing that this

28:29

year's Edinburgh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm doing 15 to

28:31

the 21st at the French this year. Exciting.

28:34

It's a late one, 1130. Oh,

28:37

she is late. Yeah, yeah. Does that help or hinder?

28:39

I think, well, I haven't done it this late before.

28:41

Last year we did it at 10. Okay.

28:43

So presumably that gets going and it's nice

28:45

and raucous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And

28:48

also because, so I've been doing an improv for

28:50

a long time, but I

28:52

realized that some of my friends just don't believe it.

28:54

They don't believe that it's made up. And

28:57

a lot of people, and I've realized that, oh yeah, it's

28:59

not just my friends that think that. Like a lot of

29:01

people just in general are like, yeah, but they all, they

29:04

practice that stuff before and then they just find a way

29:06

to put it in. It's funny, isn't it? How like whenever

29:08

something really kicks off at a gig, there's

29:11

a plant. Yeah, yeah. It's a plant. And

29:14

you're like, well, it's not, is it? It's

29:16

just about having the confidence to be

29:19

calm in that moment. There's a

29:21

brilliant improvising comedian called Phil Kay,

29:23

Scottish guy who's one of the

29:26

kings of it. And he gave me

29:28

a bit of advice when I was 21. He

29:32

sort of said, always listen to

29:34

what people say because there will

29:36

always be a hole in it

29:38

or there will always be something

29:41

rather than as a stand up, you

29:43

hear an interjection. There's very much this attack.

29:46

But if you really listen to what they'll

29:48

say, it always opens

29:50

up and it's just about being calm

29:52

enough to be in the moment and go,

29:54

hang on. So you went to a wedding and

29:57

someone spilt what? And then just open

29:59

it up. Yeah, and also not

30:01

being a stand-up. I learned some of the

30:03

stand-up I

30:07

Was about to say tricks, but it's not tricks. It's just sort of

30:10

like rules I guess Technique. Yeah,

30:12

even just repeating back what an audience member said. Yeah,

30:14

because not everyone has heard it. Yeah, it's a funny

30:16

one Yeah, and just because you've heard it doesn't mean

30:18

that everyone else has so when you respond to that

30:20

people some people don't know what you're Responding to you

30:22

know, you're a beat in it I

30:24

think one of the worst things that happens in

30:26

sound of it's like this thing called stock ease

30:29

Mmm, and like bizarrely there's some kind of comics

30:31

now who just do stock ease and people think

30:33

they've invented those stock ease But

30:35

it's you know that kind of save your

30:37

breath. You're gonna need it to blow up your girlfriend later

30:40

I remember my first pint. Where did you

30:42

learn to whisper in a helicopter? They

30:45

get in the way of being funny Because

30:48

they almost act as a punch right

30:51

rather than a hmm. That's interesting. Let's

30:53

kind of Yeah, let's explore that improve.

30:55

Do you have to get presumably

30:57

you get taught that or do

31:00

you they're sort of techniques within

31:02

improv That when you

31:04

started doing it when you anger or it does it come naturally?

31:07

It does come naturally, but also you find out

31:09

where how people have learned So like the

31:11

five of us that are in the on the

31:13

stage We've all come from different

31:16

like the people that have done the show

31:18

the most times is emissary Graham

31:20

Dixon Lola Rose Maxwell Nick Sampson

31:22

and We have

31:24

all come from different backgrounds Nick is

31:26

from New Zealand Emma's

31:29

from Surrey and she Went

31:32

to Cambridge and was part of footlives

31:34

and has had those sort of like influences

31:36

and and then we all we put it

31:39

all together. Yeah, and It's

31:42

fascinating isn't it because in America there's a real

31:44

history of improv

31:47

and comedy What's its second city

31:49

I think yeah, yeah, so a lot of those

31:51

people are coming through the same That's what I

31:53

mean teachings. Yeah, but in the UK you

31:56

you'll know better than me, but I don't really know of

31:59

the that pathway. Do you know what

32:01

I mean? Because when we talk about improv

32:03

you still go, oh like whose line is

32:06

it anyway? Which is a show from the

32:08

90s. It's so interesting isn't it? Given that

32:10

it's such a big part of American culture.

32:12

Clearly it's an, let's say it's an underground

32:15

part of English culture.

32:17

And I also think that

32:19

it's looked at as like a

32:22

sob genre of comedy. It sort of felt like

32:24

a dirty word. Like when I did improv, sort

32:26

of like 2014,

32:30

15 when I said I'd do improv and people just

32:32

assume that it's like you're doing like

32:34

sci-fi horror stuff. It's weird

32:36

though isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Because

32:39

it's funny like those moments of

32:42

genuine improv in any

32:44

kind of performance. I remember seeing

32:46

Coldplay at the Albert Hall and

32:48

Chris Martin was kind of going, everyone

32:52

be quiet. This is one of the,

32:54

one of the guitar priority when this

32:56

is Will's favourite bit when

32:58

everyone's quiet. It's just Will and

33:00

look at Will's face now because he's really

33:02

nervous and he doesn't like it when it's

33:04

just Will. And you could see Chris Martin

33:07

was laughing and the rest of the band

33:09

were laughing and it created this intimacy because

33:12

you knew in that moment that

33:14

this was actually happening now. Yeah,

33:16

yeah, yeah. And it's sort of,

33:18

I think certainly

33:20

from stand up, those moments where

33:23

it suddenly goes we're

33:26

here. This is a joke about

33:28

crew and the

33:30

bloke called Steve just said that and he reme- And it's so

33:33

weird that anything that creates

33:36

an immediacy for

33:39

whatever reason just, you

33:42

know the audience are there right now. I can't

33:44

quite articulate what I'm trying to say, but it's

33:46

sort of presumably- Yeah, yeah. Because the same thing

33:48

in this cloud work. But what I'm trying to

33:51

get to is with improv, because you

33:53

must all be so good at it, the

33:55

task then becomes how do you actually make

33:57

it feel like it's happening now? Yes. Do

34:00

you still want to know you rather than kind of, because

34:02

you must know a million tricks. And

34:04

the audience, I would imagine, oh, okay, he's doing that thing.

34:06

And that's what I wanted to get, rather than I've done

34:08

shows where you just get a suggestion from the audience, you

34:10

just get a word, you just get a, and

34:12

I wanted to get, I wanted the

34:15

main stimulus to be from

34:17

a experience that an audience member has had. So

34:19

they know that there's no way that we've like

34:22

used any sort of like, oh, we've got this

34:24

as a backup. This is what you, we've just

34:26

heard this from you. But I tell you what,

34:28

so when you do stuff off of an audience,

34:30

you don't realise how mental people are. Because I

34:33

was at the Palladium and I was filming this

34:35

thing. And I said, any questions?

34:37

And this bloke went, yeah, should fingering

34:39

be a sport at the Olympics? That

34:42

was the opening question. Should fingering be

34:44

a sport at the Olympics? And I-

34:48

Yeah. And I was like, what are

34:50

we talking about? Like, is somebody at the other end of

34:52

the track and you have to run up and finger them?

34:55

Or are we doing it on the speed of their

34:57

fingering? And the audience

34:59

went, ugh. And I was the bad guy

35:01

for trying to figure out what he meant. Yeah.

35:05

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

35:08

Yeah. What, let's move on from

35:10

fingering to the next item in

35:13

the Wonder Box. It's Fink. Yeah. It

35:16

is. This is something

35:18

that I think

35:20

started off in my childhood, but I still

35:22

love it just as much as I did

35:24

then. Everyone

35:27

has it. Everyone has

35:31

a relationship with this thing, but not everyone feels

35:33

the same way about it. I

35:35

love having a birthday party. Right.

35:38

I celebrate every year. Right. Primarily

35:41

because you've got a cousin that makes shit hot. Okay.

35:44

Yeah. I've got to get some of them

35:46

kicked. Yeah. But I love having a birthday. I don't

35:48

have big birthday parties. So like my last, I

35:51

had my last big party was my 34th,

35:53

which was last year. And

35:56

at that party, I said this will be the last

35:58

one in the UK. and

36:01

so far. And everyone went, okay,

36:03

shit, how far away? What are we dealing with?

36:05

Got a lot of sleep on. So then this

36:07

year, for my 35th, I went to Barcelona. So

36:10

17 of my, no, there were 17 of us

36:12

in total. That went to Barcelona. For how long?

36:14

For a weekend, Thursday to Monday. Okay. Loved

36:17

it. That's a great place, eh? Yeah, yeah,

36:19

yeah. But I just, I made that decision.

36:21

I started having big birthday parties when I

36:24

was 30. I'd always do things

36:26

for my birthday, go out or whatever. But

36:28

for my 30th, I was like, I'm gonna have

36:30

my own party. I'm gonna hire a venue, and

36:32

get DJs and all of that stuff.

36:34

Have food maybe at the beginning. Like I have

36:36

a little dinner with closer friends and then everyone

36:39

else joins. So I'd been doing that from

36:41

30 to 34. And

36:44

then at 35, I decided, yeah, I

36:48

didn't wanna do it in the country anymore. I

36:50

wanted to travel for it. And what happened at

36:52

this sort of weekend? Oh, it was great. So

36:54

we got a villa. We got a villa in

36:56

Barcelona. Nice. Really nice place. Pricey, but worth it.

36:59

I mean, and when you break it down with

37:01

17 people, it worked out about 310 pound

37:03

each. Now here's a question. Are

37:06

people sharing beds? Yes. Yeah,

37:08

because a lot of my mates will still do that. Yeah.

37:11

That's not my vibe. I always

37:13

get put in the same room with my friend, Paul.

37:15

I love Paul, good friend of mine. But the cat's

37:18

got eczema. He's a scratch up. And

37:20

I can't be near that. Sure. It just,

37:22

I can't sleep. You can't ask for a substitute? No, I

37:24

could just hear. Right,

37:27

sure. Sounds like Desperate Dan.

37:29

Do you know what I mean? And

37:31

it also put my brother used to go through a

37:33

phase when he was a kid. Do you remember them

37:35

pogs? Like circuit things? My brother used to sort of

37:37

scratch his balls with them. So at night I could

37:39

just hear. So specific. I

37:43

sort of like emanating through my house. So

37:45

if I hear that, I

37:47

just think about my brother pulling his nuts taut

37:50

and just. So

37:53

yeah, so I just have a room on my own. Well,

37:56

that wouldn't have worked for my birthday because we had

37:58

to have people together. Yeah, well of course, if there's

38:00

17 of you, and are

38:04

you partying all the time, or are there highs,

38:06

are there lows, are you planning it, is someone

38:08

else planning it? I've done enough. Once I've got

38:10

everyone there, that's my bit done. And then they

38:12

have to get you. So then people start going,

38:14

oh, this thing's on that night. I decided that

38:16

on the Saturday night, we're gonna go to this

38:18

club. Right. And that was the only

38:21

plan I'd made for the whole weekend. And what's it

38:23

like going to a Spanish club? Is that exciting? Yeah,

38:25

I mean, well we went the night before just

38:29

to see what it was like. And then the

38:31

following night, I'd got an area for all of

38:33

ours. And there was also

38:35

another actor who happened to be out there at the same

38:37

time. So I told him to bring his friends. And

38:39

we just had a great night, but it goes on until 6

38:42

a.m. Yeah, I bet,

38:44

yeah. And then everyone spills out onto the beach, and then

38:46

they carry on a party. Wow.

38:48

Which, by then I was like, enough. And that's

38:50

only- There was a beach in Barcelona, it was

38:52

ace, because it was so close to the city.

38:54

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The club's on the beach front.

38:57

Oh, cool. And then so like the sun comes

38:59

up and everyone carries on out of the club

39:02

onto the beach. Did you have big birthdays as a

39:04

kid? Not massive,

39:06

pizza at a party. Well, that's pretty

39:08

cool. Yeah, but it wasn't massive. You

39:10

sort of pick like 10 of your

39:12

favourite friends. But

39:15

I'd always celebrate it. I always celebrated

39:17

my birthday in any way.

39:21

But then I only started going big from

39:23

about 25, and

39:26

then even bigger, having my own party. I think it's

39:28

really important to celebrate your birthday. And I think, like

39:30

a lot of people don't bother. Oh, I'm not going

39:32

to do anything about that, brother. And I think like,

39:34

it's one day you can use that as an excuse

39:36

to be like, I don't have to make plans. I

39:39

don't have to, other people should do that for me,

39:41

it's my birthday. Yeah. And I

39:44

rejoice in it. But the same pride I take

39:46

in my own birthdays and parties is an organisation.

39:49

I also feel the same about other people's birthdays.

39:51

So if I hit someone's birthday, I'm like, right,

39:54

what are we doing? How are we celebrating? Even

39:56

if it's just like, just do one thing that

39:58

you wouldn't normally do. or whatever it is. What

40:00

are you doing for the 36th? I

40:04

don't know, I have to go bigger than Barca. I

40:06

don't think what would be good, Croatia is

40:08

going to be fun. Croatia, yeah. Like... It's

40:11

an annoying time because it's the beginning of March so

40:14

it's like... Weather wise, yeah. Yeah, it's not going to

40:16

be hot but it will be, some places will be

40:18

nice. Barca was nice, it wasn't hot but it was

40:20

nice. Some mad deck

40:22

chair forts in Lanzarote. Oh

40:25

yeah. You could hit Rottie up

40:28

again. Yeah. You can take

40:30

that wrong. Well I thought about Gran Canaria

40:32

because Gran Canaria was looking at like 25 degrees. Malta?

40:36

Malta is good. Gran Canaria is very windy. Is

40:38

it? I think any

40:40

of the sort of Canaria is a decent

40:42

one for all of the day. The trouble

40:44

is you've set the bar high now. Yeah

40:46

I have, I started big. Do you prioritize

40:49

your birthday over work? No,

40:51

no, I think I've gigged every time.

40:53

Really? Yeah, I kind of... But

40:55

I'm the other way, every time I'm still

40:58

scared of getting old. So

41:01

I would... My

41:03

wife's birthday, something's organized so

41:05

that's off officially in the

41:07

diary. But that's about

41:09

it but kind of, yeah.

41:12

I don't think I've ever... I prioritize it over work.

41:15

Always. Just

41:18

because I just love

41:20

it. I love the whole day

41:22

where people are celebrating you and

41:25

you get it once a

41:27

year and it's an opportunity

41:29

to just really

41:33

celebrate and enjoy your friends and

41:35

get a reason to get people together. That's

41:38

a really good point. I mean there might be a

41:40

back to what we were saying before about the only

41:42

child thing, there might be another thing. No but what

41:44

Kyle's saying he gets out of the birthday thing is

41:46

what you say about weddings. Well exactly, yeah. Right. I

41:49

was about to say that, when I got married it

41:51

was that sense and

41:53

my snag too, it was that sense

41:55

of being with people that

41:58

you adored and you knew. to

42:00

adored you. And that feeling

42:03

of being surrounded by friends and

42:05

family and everyone there has

42:08

your back and likes

42:10

you. It's a really nice feeling.

42:14

I like that. The only thing I would struggle with a

42:16

birthday is that you have to be the center of it.

42:19

That's why I struggle. But you

42:21

had to do that at your own wedding. My

42:24

wedding, but it felt like it was with us. So

42:26

it was me and my wife. Because my

42:29

wife doesn't like being the center of attention,

42:31

it was quite nice. Okay. Yeah,

42:34

I think

42:36

I will always be like this. In my head, I've sort

42:39

of got an idea that like, I'm gonna

42:41

celebrate, I'm gonna do these big birthdays until I'm

42:43

40. And then I'll just like

42:45

do whatever with my family. But

42:47

I don't know, maybe I'm addicted to it. So

42:51

there's a good thing that we always do birthday

42:53

parties every year. And as the

42:55

families get bigger, all the

42:57

kids join and these parties get unmanageably

43:00

big and it gets better and better.

43:03

Because then you have all these generations. And

43:05

that means as you get older, the party

43:07

is still alive because there's youth in there.

43:10

That's a very good chat. So good. If

43:13

you don't like having the attention, you need to find

43:15

someone else whose birthday is 23rd of March and share

43:17

it with them. Damon Albin. Damon Albin. Yeah,

43:19

yeah, yeah. But then he doesn't like attention because he

43:21

has to pretend to be in a cartoon band. Do

43:25

you know what I mean? He's so good at music, he has

43:27

to fabricate another band and then they become

43:29

a great band. It must be... Weren't

43:32

you into music? Did I really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was

43:34

a grand MC. Yeah. Which

43:36

is a wonderful segue into the next bit. Is

43:39

that one of the things? Yeah. Shit, they're bad,

43:41

that's all right. Yeah. I

43:48

was a grand MC. So

43:50

in my school, I went to a school

43:52

called St. Bonaventure's in Forest Gate in

43:55

East London. And there are a lot of

43:57

MCs in my school. And...

44:00

When I say I don't just mean like people that did

44:02

it for a hobby, I mean like people that were like

44:04

doing it like making money from it. Tinchy Strider went to

44:06

my school. Oh yeah. And he was like, he

44:09

was the one that everyone was looking to because he was

44:11

on pirate radio and he was also doing the raves like

44:14

the Graham raves. And he was like performing

44:16

at these raves with like Wiley and Kano

44:18

and all of these like massive. Wiley

44:21

was at school. Wiley was at school. Yeah. So

44:24

like doing that and then coming back to school the next day.

44:27

So like, so it's the same thing,

44:29

like I said, like about TJ, like knowing that there's

44:31

someone in our school that's doing

44:33

that means that it's tangible and it's like

44:35

possible for us. So,

44:38

yeah, we had lots of MCs in my school

44:40

and it was just like something that everyone did, but

44:42

not everyone stuck at. And I

44:46

stuck at it for a bit. And we

44:48

had we had we put music out and

44:50

we did quite well. We did gigs and

44:52

stuff. And then

44:55

I started to take it

44:57

a bit more seriously and I was doing music

44:59

videos because I wanted to like, do

45:01

you remember Channel You? So Channel

45:04

You was on Sky

45:06

and it was like what

45:09

end-ups used to do a lot of their music.

45:11

Most of their videos would be on Channel You

45:14

and Tiny Temper and those sort of people like

45:16

all this stuff was Channel You first. And

45:20

yeah, so I did this music video called

45:22

Chaos, which is a

45:25

music video, which was a song that every

45:27

member of my group did. We all did

45:29

like our own version of it. And

45:33

I decided to do a video for mine and

45:35

it was I guess the it

45:38

was sort of like before I started doing

45:40

big parties, it was just a massive like

45:42

reason for a bunch of people to get

45:45

out of it. I mean, I was I

45:47

was this was 2006, I think.

45:52

So I was like 16 or 17 and

45:55

just getting like all of my like

45:57

all of my friends there. But then

45:59

people bring. in people

46:01

from like people that they know from only

46:03

from my space and being

46:05

like oh yeah Klay's having a video shoot you

46:07

come in so it ended up being like I

46:10

think there was about a hundred people there and

46:12

it was under the arches in Manapart

46:14

there's this plate this this arch where

46:17

the train goes over between East

46:19

Ham and Manapart and it was under those arches and

46:21

we shot the music video and

46:23

it was like one of the best days of my life. So

46:26

what how do you how did you get into

46:28

that because MCing

46:30

right and I you know I'm gonna come

46:32

across as very unknowledgeable

46:35

about this but it's where you essentially

46:37

write songs over someone else's beat is

46:40

that right yeah so did you have

46:42

to find would you have to find

46:44

somebody that would have a kind of

46:46

a beat or somebody that would DJ?

46:48

Yeah they were like... But is that

46:50

initial first moment terrifying

46:53

when somebody has a little

46:55

beat and then you have to say how about

46:57

this or are you in it are

46:59

you in it together because I sort of think if

47:02

I was like 13 and one of my

47:04

friends had like a little song and then I

47:06

attempted it if I got it wrong everyone in

47:08

the school would know do you know what I

47:10

mean? Yeah yeah yeah. That sense of like of

47:14

putting your head above the parapete and

47:16

going here's my attempt right yeah but

47:18

I think within the area and the

47:20

culture it was just what everyone was

47:22

doing and not everyone was good. Of

47:25

course not they must have been fucking

47:27

terrible. Bad MCs yeah but like the

47:30

good ones that stuck at it and and it

47:32

was what

47:35

we didn't know was friendly competition because it was just

47:37

what we did and looking back at it you go

47:39

oh it was like it was like training

47:42

because in the morning

47:44

you come into school and you say I'm gonna clash

47:46

that person and then in

47:48

class you're writing lyrics about

47:50

that MC because of their mum

47:52

or whatever and then you at lunchtime

47:55

you have the clash and

47:57

people decide who won based on the

47:59

reaction. that you get. And then

48:01

it's sort of like a reset and

48:04

then the next day it's someone else, it's two other MCs. And

48:07

it's like... So as long as you can

48:09

rhyme and bully, you're fine. Yeah, yeah, it

48:11

was man. Yeah. But it's so funny, isn't

48:13

it? So it comes out

48:15

of like... It's

48:19

quite gladiatorial. Yeah, yeah, 100%. And there was no...

48:21

We didn't have phones then

48:23

that could play music. Yeah. Because this is what we're

48:25

talking 2002, 2004.

48:29

And was it always fine? Because I'm thinking

48:31

like your kids, there's lots of hormones going on,

48:34

you know, would they ever

48:37

spill out into fights? Not really, you

48:39

sort of know that. But that's amazing,

48:41

isn't it? Yeah, yeah. But if somebody

48:43

did a really excellent rhyme about

48:45

someone else's mum at

48:47

my school, it would have been

48:49

carnage. Right, yeah. But I guess if you

48:52

did it outside of the

48:54

MCN, then yes, it

48:56

would be a fight. So within that realm it

48:58

was sacred. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I guess it's

49:00

sort of like, it's performative, it's entertainment. Yeah. And

49:03

it's the same way that, I mean, all of

49:05

us were talking about guns in our lyrics. Yeah.

49:07

And none of us had ever seen a gun.

49:09

Right. And it was just like a lot of

49:11

those sort of... That's just the way it was

49:13

that these are the things that people were talking

49:15

about. Yeah. And I guess that there was sort

49:17

of a knowledge that this is a performative thing

49:20

and it wasn't real. But if that was to, if

49:23

you were to say those things outside of the

49:28

grime lens, it's sort

49:30

of like, oh, now you've actually got

49:32

beef with this person. Yeah. What

49:34

do you make of, like, when you sort of see

49:36

someone like Drake

49:39

and Kendrick Lamar, kind of having

49:41

a sort of an adult battle?

49:45

I think there

49:47

are some battles where you're like,

49:49

oh, okay, great. Like, this is

49:52

like a, this

49:54

is, there's some shows, like when it was Drake and Meek Mill,

49:56

that was sort of like, it wasn't as personal

49:58

as this Kendrick and Drake. thing that sort

50:01

of feels like it's so personal that

50:03

it's like people genuinely don't like each

50:05

other. Yeah. Whereas like with some other

50:08

rap beefs it sort of felt like it's a

50:10

bit for entertainment purposes.

50:12

Yeah. And

50:14

people doing diss tracks and those sort of things

50:16

it feels like like like M&M stuff it felt

50:18

like it was kind

50:20

of like for entertainment purposes also

50:23

maybe a bit like it actually don't like you

50:25

but also M&M was like doing diss tracks for

50:27

like Moby so it's not like they're gonna have

50:30

a rap battle you know but

50:32

like so it feels sort of fun

50:34

and funny whereas this Kendrick Drake thing felt

50:37

like really personal and

50:39

like quite dark I

50:41

think. Yeah the thing I find about it is

50:43

like because I'm a big fan of Kendrick Marr

50:45

I think it's brilliant it just it just bores

50:48

me a bit that like that you

50:50

particularly with his last album you know

50:52

that the last album feels like it's

50:54

about being a dad and

50:56

you know being at

50:58

peace with himself then suddenly releasing a load of

51:01

songs where you're really annoyed by a Canadian rapper

51:03

it just feels like come on man. Yeah. Do

51:05

you know what I mean? It just feels a

51:07

bit juvenile to me you're just

51:09

like but what's

51:13

in like that like I'm sort of curious

51:15

like do you sit and write lyrics when

51:17

you're a kid? Yeah. Was there a moment

51:20

where you knew this isn't for me or

51:22

like do you know what I mean like

51:24

it. Well the with the writing

51:26

lyrics bit it was more that like sometimes

51:30

it wasn't even your your choosing it

51:32

was just like someone's like oh you

51:34

should clash this person. Yeah. And

51:36

then you don't want to say no and that person doesn't want to

51:38

say no but it's just literally you've come up with it today you're

51:40

like do you know what would be a good clash this one and

51:43

this one. Yeah yeah. You say it to both of them no one

51:45

wants to say no because no one wants to back down. So

51:47

now you've suddenly created this thing and

51:50

that's happening and say you know that that's happening at the

51:52

youth club on Friday from Wednesday you're

51:54

writing lyrics like you're trying this to this beat no

51:56

it's not that and it's me more this to that

51:59

you're doing all of that and then you go to a youth club and

52:01

you have the battle and just based

52:03

on the response you know who's one.

52:06

And then it's literally it's just like done.

52:09

It doesn't carry on over whatever months, years,

52:11

whatever. It's just sort of like, we had

52:13

the clash, he won, he won.

52:15

Or someone might not agree and then you go and

52:17

then you go in the pseudo and you

52:20

write a track for them again. And does

52:22

it, so if it's born out of that

52:25

kind of you versus something, do

52:29

you then sort of have to cast

52:31

your career at something different? Do you

52:34

see what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I guess. But then

52:36

at the same time as this is going on, simultaneously

52:38

you're having your career. So you

52:40

also want to put out tracks, singles,

52:43

albums, like EPs, music videos,

52:45

all of those. So you can't just focus

52:47

on that. That's sort of like a subsection

52:49

of like the diss tracks and the rap

52:51

battles. That's sort of a subsection of the

52:53

genre. But you're also having a career. And

52:56

what is it like? Because

52:58

it's like, is

53:01

it frustrating as a fan of that music

53:03

to see it dismissed as just

53:06

kind of like arguments? Do you see what I

53:08

mean? Like, or like that it leads to violence

53:10

or you know, or it glamorizes.

53:13

I think luckily that sort

53:15

of died down now where it hasn't

53:18

become, it hasn't turned into violence really.

53:20

And I think like, so. It must

53:22

be that frustrating because like

53:25

it's clearly such a vibrant art form

53:27

for so many people. And yet it

53:29

is always kind of dismissed as well.

53:31

You know, it's just glamorizing. Yeah, yeah,

53:33

yeah. I feel like, yeah,

53:36

it is annoying. And some people I feel just

53:39

don't understand it. It's like, we

53:41

know that as a genre,

53:44

that that is just how it goes. You

53:46

have like, like Chipmunk and Bugsy. Chip

53:49

and Bugsy Malone had their thing for a

53:51

while. And then that turned into Chip versus

53:53

Tidy Tempah. And then it was, and are

53:55

you familiar with Chip, the MC? So he,

53:58

you know, Bugsy Malone, the Manchester, So

54:00

he hit Chip and Bugsy had their

54:04

beef where they were doing

54:06

tracks for each other, but they never had

54:08

like a proper clash. It was

54:10

just distract versus distract. And then

54:13

it also Tiny Temple caught a stray from

54:15

Chip. So then it was Chip

54:17

and Tiny Temple and then it was Chip versus

54:19

everyone. And Chip was doing these videos where he

54:21

was going to a

54:24

petrol station and like

54:26

he'd literally write the track,

54:29

record the track, go and do the music video and

54:32

put the music video out, do that all in like

54:34

four hours and someone will respond

54:36

to him. And by the time that that response has

54:38

come in, he's already in the studio replying to them.

54:41

And it was like, it was like nothing we'd ever seen before

54:43

in terms of like, not

54:45

necessarily production values, but just like the

54:47

speed of being able to like retaliate

54:50

to something. And

54:52

it was really, really genuinely entertaining and everyone sort

54:54

of being like, what's Chip going to do next?

54:57

And that sort of thing. And I think

54:59

that that is like, it's

55:02

highly entertaining, but it also shows

55:05

your talent as an artist and

55:07

as an MC. So

55:10

to see that sort of, as you say,

55:12

get dismissed as like, I

55:15

don't really know what it was that people were

55:18

saying, but it did get dismissed and sort of

55:20

like, oh, it shouldn't be about that. It

55:22

should be unity and blah, blah, blah. And I feel

55:24

like luckily we've gone past that stage in Grind where

55:27

there was actual violence because of

55:29

something that someone had said on the track.

55:32

I think we've got past that for the better.

55:34

And like, it is now about

55:37

the music. And I think like, I

55:39

mean, I'm not as well versed in

55:41

Grind now as I was then, like sort

55:43

of post

55:45

Stormzy's like

55:48

blow up. I don't really know the new

55:50

artists as well as well as I did

55:52

like previous, like sort of AJ Tracey's and

55:55

big zoos and those sort of, I'm

55:57

sort of the era

55:59

before. for them. But

56:02

I really hope, I mean, people have been saying that Graham's

56:04

dead for a long time, and

56:06

hopefully it's not. I hope that

56:09

there's like, Stormzy was the sort

56:11

of last Graham saviour, which

56:14

like made the the

56:17

the genre relevant again. But hopefully

56:19

there's another one. Yeah, because I

56:21

feel like it's so like it's such a important

56:25

genre to so many people. I

56:27

guess everything's cyclical. And also, it

56:30

can be done on very low

56:33

budgets. Yeah. Do you know what I mean?

56:35

In its defence, it's kind of like, because

56:38

you essentially get people rhyming about

56:40

their life. Yeah, that will never

56:42

go out of fashion. Because, you

56:44

know, that's kind of what Dylan

56:46

was doing. Or that's what kind

56:49

of, you know, fucking Joni Mitchell

56:51

was doing. It's a way of

56:53

expressing how very

56:55

often kids feel about the world. That's what

56:57

music is. And then it kind of goes

57:00

on and on and on. And presumably every

57:02

generation says, Oh, it's not like it

57:04

was when I was young. We will

57:06

become that. You'll probably say that about

57:09

Grimin 20 years. It's not like it

57:11

was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Petrol stations. These

57:13

bastards are doing it at Teslas. Yeah,

57:16

charging points. Yeah, exactly. It's

57:18

sort of, I think

57:20

that is the thing, isn't it? It's like, the

57:23

only art form musically that

57:26

I struggle with is musicals. I can't. That's

57:28

the only one. Right, right, right. Just because

57:30

it always gets on

57:32

my tits when they start singing. Just say

57:34

it, don't sing it. You could just say

57:36

that. Just say it. Like, I know it's

57:39

raining. Stop singing about it. I

57:42

love that, man. That was such an interesting chat. Yeah. So,

57:52

Kyle Dan, who's a very interesting guy,

57:54

lots going on. Have you ever thrown

57:56

something and caught it without seeing it?

57:58

Of course, but yeah, mate. I

58:02

really regret asking that question about his mate whether

58:04

she wanked off anyone with her feet but I

58:06

needed to know. You

58:08

know what, because he asked me and he goes,

58:10

what are you thinking about? And I couldn't fucking

58:12

lie. I couldn't think of anything other than she

58:15

ever wanked off anyone with her feet. Anyways,

58:17

but I bet she has. He's

58:19

doing an improv, if you can write with your

58:22

feet, you can wank someone off with your feet.

58:25

Tyell is doing an improv show at

58:28

the Edinburgh Festival this year. It's called

58:30

Cool Story Bro. It's in the

58:32

Pleasance Courtyard. Between the 15th and the 21st

58:34

of August you can get tickets from the

58:36

Fringe website. While we're talking about

58:38

touring and wanking people off of their feet. What

58:40

are you doing? I'm going on

58:42

tour. That

58:45

might be the end of the show. I'm

58:47

touring in Canada and Scandinavia. Come along, it's

58:49

going to be great. See

58:52

you then.