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Samuel Miller, 40 acres on Edisto.
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Fergus Wilson, 40 acres on Sapelo
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Island. Primus Morrison, 40 acres
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on Edisto. More than 1,200 formerly
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enslaved people got land from the federal
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based on how you buy. When I
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say, when you hear the word capitalism, what comes
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to mind? Selling and
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buying. You know, exchanging of
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goods for services, goods for
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money, that kind of thing. Capitalism?
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Who? I guess people
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spending too much money on things that we don't
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need. It's all about, you know,
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I'm going to make as much money as I can. I
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deal the state within the law, but people
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oftentimes go outside the law if it means
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having the most money. And
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it's money, money, money, money, money. They
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never have enough money. It's
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not, to me, a terrible word.
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What comes to mind is production
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and people buying what they need. It's
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a good system with the exception of people who
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game the system. When I say
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the word capitalism, like what comes to mind for
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you? Political
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piracy. Torture.
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So I don't necessarily think that. and
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waiting and but I was bound to
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behave in a particular way to restrict
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my movement to have as
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many children as I could possibly bear and I
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mean that in all senses of the word bear.
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You know healthcare obviously yes of
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course there was healthcare and there was
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ways of being but it was nothing
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like we received today in a yes
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over medicalised environment sure
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but no literacy
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levels were low and
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I don't don't see it
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I mean yes like okay if we
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have more bees and plant
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life and things like that
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there's definitely biodiversity is better
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but yeah I wouldn't
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envy the medieval people at all. A
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few minutes later though we're wrapping up our
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stroll around the village and
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Karen says something that seems to contradict
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what she just said or
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maybe it doesn't she's making a
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broader more philosophical point. Change
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happens and change means
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trade-offs. I load the
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narrative of progress like progressing towards
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what I
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really do and just thinking of would I like
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to live in the medieval world no do
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we have a different world now yes are some
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parts of it better yes are some parts of
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it worse yes so there
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I don't think progress in terms of
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making things better really exists in that
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way. In
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the Middle Ages across the world and in
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Europe most people lived and
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worked on the land but
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not everyone did and this is I think
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a really interesting thing because people don't tend
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to think about cities in the medieval period
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which I think is a shame because I love
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medieval cities and medieval
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cities I
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love the Wat Tyler's Rebellion peasants.
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They're my very favorite people. Before
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we say more about that
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attempted revolution, some context. There's
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a common idea about peasants in the
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Middle Ages that they meekly accepted their
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place in the scheme of things or
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were just too ignorant to imagine a
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different world. In
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a classic Monty Python and the
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Holy Grail scene where the traveling
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king encounters peasants working in a
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muddy field, the flouting
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of that stereotype is part of the
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joke. Well, I am king. Oh,
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king, eh? Very nice. And
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how'd you get that, eh? By
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exploiting the workers, by hanging on
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to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates
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the economic and social differences in
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our society. In fact, though, a
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medieval peasant speaking out against class
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division to the king himself, no
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less, is not far-fetched.
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They knew it sucked. Peasants
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couldn't really understand that they were
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disadvantaged and that they were treated
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abysmally. And they
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periodically tried to do something about
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it, especially the 14th century is a
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big one for that. In
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the 13th and 14th centuries,
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peasants revolted in northern France,
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on the coast of Flanders,
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in present-day Belgium, and
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in Florence, Italy. Historians say
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feudalism was already beginning to crumble by
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the early 1300s, as
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peasants demanded a bigger piece of the pie,
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and some voted with their feet, running off
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to cities to find work. Then
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came the bubonic plague of the late 1340s.
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It killed a third of the
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European population, maybe more. This
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created a huge labor shortage,
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giving peasants, the ones who
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survived, more leverage. They
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demanded lower rents and higher wages and
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got them. them for a while. The
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ruling class tried to push back,
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passing laws to limit the wages
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and mobility of the peasantry, stoking
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anger in the countryside. We
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must build a great society where
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men are born free, live free,
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work for whom they will, where
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they will, free of
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humiliation, free of poverty,
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free of forced labor, free
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of the rich. The time, 1381.
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The place, England. The man, John Ball,
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preacher, whom some called mad. This
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is from an educational film produced in
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1969 about the English peasants revolt. The
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uprising was a defining episode in
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late medieval history. On
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top of the general discontent among
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the peasantry, the immediate spark was
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a series of poll taxes, or
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head taxes, that the
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Crown levied to pay for England's
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unending war with France. The
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poorest people had to pay as
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much as the richest. When the
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government realized that a lot of
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peasants were
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dodging the tax, it sent
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commissioners out to the countryside to
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collect. Those officials,
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underestimating the peasants' fury,
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abused and humiliated villagers,
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including young women. Let
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her go, stop that! Who speaks?
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How about us? No! A serf
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commands me to let her go. You
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will pay twice, I think. You will
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pay the poll tax and you will pay
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for your insolence. No! In
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a village in Essex, a crowd of peasants
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attacked and killed some of the king's men.
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Yes! And
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the revolt was over. on.
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Words spread, and soon up
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to 60,000 peasants marched toward
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London. On the
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way, they killed local tax collectors
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and burned records at manners and
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abbeys. Watt Tyler,
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who was probably a roof Tyler,
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thus his name, became their leader,
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but the radical preacher John Ball
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was the inspirational voice of the
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rebellion. He'd been
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roaming the countryside, speaking against the
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poll taxes and the oppressive structures
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of feudalism, against
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inequality itself. My
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friends, unless we bring God's
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law into our land, we
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will be ruled by devils. We
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build the castles, but who looks
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out of the windows? We
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pick the grapes, but who drinks
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the wine? This
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is our land, and we must take it.
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As they marched on London, John Ball gave these big
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rousing speeches, and the peasants who were
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largely kind of coming from Kent, the
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countryside down in the southeast, came, stormed
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London, let everyone
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out of prison, which I think
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is excellent because prison is mostly for debtors
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in the medieval period, killed
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the nobles they could get a hold
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on, went down the Savoy Palace, and
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a lot of the times destroyed the
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kind of wealth therein. Some people stole it,
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but a lot of people just destroyed it
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because the point was that they wanted an
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actual equitable society. They thought that lands should
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be held in common, that they shouldn't be
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being charged to farm. You
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know, they're the ones who are kind of producing
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everything around here. Why is it that they're paying
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rich people for that privilege? The
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rebels beheaded two of the king's
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top officials, the Archbishop of Canterbury
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and the Lord Treasurer. Like
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almost everything in medieval Europe, the
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peasants' protest found its
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justification in Christianity. And,
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you know, there's no such thing as a conception of rights
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in the medieval period.
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