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replacing search results that had human

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written information with a I generated

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search answers. The way this new

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of human knowledge on the Internet

2:58

to just answer user questions itself.

3:00

According to the head of Googles

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parent, Company. The reason for this new

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prefer to just not have to sift

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said the company wanted to let Google

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the quality of much of what is

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and in last year, A I spam

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lot of the web sites a Google

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might want to index to. Just giving

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people searching for a question to answer

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saves Google some the work. Of trying

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to sort the wheat from the task online.

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I had reservations about this big

3:39

you change we talk to others

3:41

reservations last episode. What I could

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Not take your says few weeks

3:45

ago with how funny the next

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phase of things would be. Google

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mid May lots of you will start

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with sometimes chaotic li insane. The

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used to answer readers' questions suggested

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much of Reddit. I'm Already can

4:09

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4:12

They can also be a source

4:14

of lies and jokes and the

4:16

ai seemingly could not tell the

4:18

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like quote: eating at least one

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4:25

because rocks contain minerals and vitamins

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that are important for digestive health.

4:29

A crazy. Week on the internet so

4:32

I wanted to talk about Reddit both

4:34

it's history as a source of sounds

4:36

good since question on from it or

4:38

mine I want to zoc that how

4:40

it came to be a website. The

4:42

group was a i consumed and a

4:44

ones know what happened to the one

4:46

person who did exact make a glue

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pizza and consume it soap and rated

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one of the least trustworthy chefs on

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the internet to search engine came to

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think there's anyone who covers the internet

5:11

the exact way you hover the internet

5:13

like the way I would describe as

5:15

that you're both. Like a sharp

5:17

observer of how the internet can. Either

5:20

incentivize are induced strange human behavior and

5:22

as users then also someone who sometimes

5:24

chooses to behave strangely on the internet

5:26

like you do a lot of. Kind

5:29

of human guinea pigs foul reporting.

5:33

T Just Tommy Like some of the things

5:35

you've done either for find or research on

5:37

mine. Ah gosh, I find that very flattering

5:39

assessment of my work. I'm thanks to

5:41

some of the human guinea pacing said

5:44

that I one time was really interested

5:46

in like. Hazardous Tech bro is and

5:48

Finance prose. All were like suisse fast

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Sort of like a uniform and it

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5:57

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much more to it. So I. Pride.

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For a week I wore fleece them

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if it made me feel more powerful

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comfortable of especially compared to normal women's

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business casual attire yeah but I also

6:21

some people he ashamed and unfashionable and

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you know when you have a bad

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else had on you feel like bad

6:28

about it together just as they want

6:30

to explain leisurely. I know that is

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choice I made for specific reasons. Yeah

6:37

I once on followed all men on

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twitter and I will. I will say selecting

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coming up on the ten. Year anniversary of this.

6:43

This was the first thing that I interviewed

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of you about that night on followed All

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latest experiment involving eating gluey pizza. I

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wanted to ask her about the pre

7:06

history of our current moment this year

7:08

when was popular was her questions for

7:10

our show has assumed people wanting to

7:13

know why doesn't google search worked for

7:15

me anymore? What on wrong. And

7:17

I know what people are saying, which

7:19

is that the nature of As Lo

7:21

and the sci industry has made it

7:23

such. That's the stuff you're actually looking

7:25

for tends to be. More and

7:28

more buried. There's more frequently

7:30

does that have dropped down

7:32

boxes of related questions to

7:34

what you're looking for. That's.

7:37

Not necessarily it. There's a lot more on

7:39

the page them like hey, how do I

7:41

get to the website that has the information?

7:43

Yes as Ceo is. Is.

7:46

Big and vast and like connecting

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me to the. Right information about the

7:50

question I'm asking is not the only thing

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that Google has broken. In a way

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I think it's worth remembering that a

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lot of as Ceo money goes into

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like. If. Your

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Walmart. You. Can pay

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for the key word Target. So and someone

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wants to type in target.com but they don't

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want to take the whole.com and they just

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put in Target. Your ad for Walmart comes

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up top and front of them right and

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then. Target also has to pay for

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it's own name so there's like a

8:18

lot of money of companies. Been held

8:20

ransom in having to pay for their own names because

8:22

someone else is going to run an ad. Against Them

8:25

and that's that's is genuinely a terrible experience

8:27

I getting a lot of people had the

8:29

kind. Of. Thing with the search: a specific

8:31

company, your name and the first three

8:33

as on top are something completely different.

8:36

Like that is genuinely very bad experience

8:38

and kind of broken. So.

8:40

A new users search a lot probably has

8:42

their own set of interior tips and tricks

8:44

of like how they do it like I

8:46

know that allowed people to read it at

8:49

the end. Because often that it is

8:51

a source of great information if

8:53

you're looking for had a chance

8:55

to light bulb in my refrigerator

8:57

kinda thanks. Everyone does have their

8:59

own like secret: how do I

9:01

actually use Google. Model.

9:03

Going on. The. Same reason people have

9:05

been searching, read it and set of

9:07

the wider web is why the two

9:09

of us were talking about Reddit. The

9:11

Sweet: Because as a rest of the

9:13

internet has degraded, Reddit has remained one

9:15

side that spotted people still go to

9:17

for advice for product recommendations for their general

9:20

questions about the world. Which. Isn't

9:22

always the case. Reddit has

9:24

had a recent s evolution

9:26

from under moderated mass to

9:28

what it is today. The

9:30

earlier. Versions are they were like. And

9:33

it's first son of five. Years of existence.

9:35

It was known as like the trash fire

9:37

of the internet like he was akin to

9:39

Four Chan. It was just full of terrible

9:42

awful people and a lot of the had

9:44

to do with the way it was being

9:46

run from the top which was this set

9:48

of laws, a fair free speech we're not

9:50

gonna get. Rid of the bad people

9:53

because or hey, it's the internet. You're

9:55

allowed to say whatever he wants, eventual

9:57

he after. A series of

9:59

crazy. They decided. Hey

10:02

maybe if we wanna run a successful business

10:04

we should. Be. And the nazis are

10:06

like all these lily awful separate as

10:08

they had did you use fresh. Fire

10:11

at it. I didn't pose. I. Would

10:13

look at it. It also

10:15

had a very distinct character

10:17

elicits like nerdy a web

10:19

comics like when you think

10:21

about that sort of early.

10:24

Teens. Or. lead to

10:26

thousands internet meme sites to say

10:29

someone is a read it or

10:31

had a very distinct it's a

10:33

neck. Beard. And a fedora

10:35

who thinks advice animal names

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are funny and loves. Web

10:39

com eggs and has an enemy

10:41

body pillow and that like very

10:44

specific kind of. Early.

10:46

Internet humor and nancy like. I.

10:48

Still sort of use Reddit in the sort

10:50

of derogatory way to be like if some

10:53

restaurant has like an overly mean he food.

10:55

Here's the hamburger with like. Hundred

10:57

kinds of bacon or whenever it's assets as

10:59

Reddit food. Or young the like that it's

11:01

funny as you say. I'm like basically like

11:03

two thousand and five to like. Two.

11:06

Thousand and Eleven Two thousand favourite it

11:08

might that is a piece of that

11:10

were abused like everyone on the site

11:12

is there comic bookstores I've from the

11:15

Simpsons exactly. And then there's like a

11:17

turn was like Hyenas requires them. It

11:19

becomes I think like a pretty successful

11:21

moderation story reduced or to figure out

11:23

how to have both. relatively.

11:26

Free speech and relatively few Nazis and

11:28

like I remember reply all days covering

11:30

like oh to the and do at

11:32

the Donald. Would have enough about this.

11:34

there's as virulent sub reddit it's targeting

11:36

P Boss and the you really see

11:38

the source and same anymore now. As.

11:41

With any sort of. Large platform

11:44

group. There's like a flywheel effect right

11:46

of like the mix. Between moderation and

11:48

users and who wants to be on

11:50

it And what kind of. Community.

11:53

They're making right. So like when

11:55

you have a thing that's like a garbage

11:57

fire saying you're going to scare off. Third,

12:00

Nor me is and if

12:02

you're constantly seen people say.

12:05

Certain things is gonna raise a tolerance for

12:07

that rights. To then you come in you like lay

12:09

down the ban. Hammer you ban.

12:11

A bunch of these bad sub raddatz.

12:14

you make it a little. Bit

12:16

more palatable for like. Normal.

12:18

People just want to discuss what

12:20

kind of air. Filters as I buy

12:22

to come on and then use that

12:24

of create a flywheel. Okay now people

12:26

know that you have to behave like

12:28

a normal human on here. And also

12:31

there's more normal humans who would never

12:33

instinct to like say something. Awful. or

12:35

join an awful Subway or like

12:37

do these bad things and so

12:39

you actually do said of grow

12:41

a healthier community that is more.

12:44

Usable. Frankly. Yeah.

12:46

I find it we actually a place where

12:48

I'd go now. not to witness horrible human

12:51

behavior, but to like okay advice about things

12:53

that I'm serious about. That's. The thing is,

12:55

I should do use Reddit quite a lot am on

12:57

a. Small me the almost every

12:59

day i wasn't a second says the

13:01

same thing as amusing. I don't really

13:03

host. It's like I love

13:05

lurking and I love knowing what

13:07

people. Are talking on the internet

13:09

and what's? Fun about right it

13:11

is that there is this still

13:13

anonymous element to it, so people

13:15

are totally willing to say embarrassing

13:18

things that they would. Normally would never

13:20

were beyond me. I think the classic

13:22

am I the asshole separate at the

13:24

people love so much that's full of

13:26

like personal. Conflict advice is really some

13:28

like I love and people wouldn't do that

13:30

under. Their real names? What I struggle with

13:32

with read it or use that. They had

13:34

totally use it and like I have an

13:37

uneasy relationship with it because I find myself

13:39

distracted all the time wondering. Is.

13:41

This true or even among. yeah, so

13:43

which I love. It's always somebody describing

13:45

some conflict there, and almost always the

13:47

person is behaving in a completely terrible

13:49

way and is absolutely wrong. or are

13:51

you to? It's never part, like either

13:53

the person is totally the wrong or

13:56

if they're like the kindest little church

13:58

mouse. and it's like. Roommate

14:00

is started like taking money on my blog and

14:02

suddenly wearing all my clothes and I am sobs

14:04

but I'm always like is it true and I

14:06

saw that with read it in general were or

14:09

use it I'll use I use at and then

14:11

I'll see people on Reddit discussing. Something.

14:13

That I actually know about

14:16

s have reported seeing like.

14:19

Completely certain are just like

14:21

a lying. And I'm like,

14:23

oh, this may be all of that

14:26

and so I try to use it

14:28

only for things like gardening tips were

14:30

it's about expertise rather than about knowledge.

14:32

Is that the differentiation. I agree

14:34

with you. I was at one of my. Absolute

14:37

favorite. Surprised as his Tv too

14:39

high. What is T V to

14:42

hire so people. Will post a picture

14:44

like I just hung this. T V and

14:46

my new apartment is it too high? And

14:48

they're obsessed with the idea that Tv should

14:50

be really. Wow like on Cbs? As

14:53

exactly I level when you're sitting on a

14:55

couch and so I think a lot of

14:57

people will put a Tv. Like for example,

15:00

Above. The fireplace are they should

15:02

have expected to be a little

15:04

bit raised up and the so

15:06

illogical hangar tv. According to the separate to

15:08

high. As others have read,

15:10

it with his advisors dead. End

15:14

of August person. I'm just more

15:17

personally of rows of an overhanging.

15:19

Their T v two hearts and a

15:21

lot you can tell is my girlfriend

15:23

says this. Is. Where the Tv should be, but I

15:25

think it's too low and so he likes. Bricked up with

15:27

our. As

15:31

I do something about it that like. I

15:34

love like it's a weird. Dark.

15:37

Horrible quarter of the internet where people

15:39

are behaving wilde be bad, but it's

15:41

over something so stupid that I find

15:43

it very wholesome and I really enjoy

15:45

it. And even though I don't frequently

15:47

hang tv is I. Read this

15:50

sub reddit really frequently because it's

15:52

million easy. But then people will go and

15:54

like clearly post succeeds pitchers. Sometimes there will be

15:56

funny ones that the we like and as an

15:58

air Bnb. A new isn't way. They're back

16:00

there like it is like right up

16:02

in like the absolute corner alien or

16:05

something like really weird things. Can

16:07

see the author obsessive the and yet

16:09

he should never hang a T V

16:11

over a fireplace. Why? Because they think

16:14

it's too high says amount of eight

16:16

years actively using the fireplace. It could

16:18

damage the Tv. With says some a question

16:20

was and. Logical though nice. I used to verify

16:22

that like this is this sort of shoes

16:25

of session. So they're like hear the pitcher

16:27

my living room and it's very obvious the

16:29

Tv is meant to go above the fireplace.

16:31

If there's only one way to raise his

16:33

living room and everyone's like make it so

16:35

that your couches against the window league he

16:37

will do anything to get that. T V

16:39

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16:41

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16:44

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20:48

website as training data for Google. They I

20:50

kidding Topless said that at the time to

20:52

see like a good deal for both sides.

20:56

I would imagine that it be moved. Them

20:58

both parties very well, right? read.

21:01

Wanted to go public and it needed.

21:04

To. Make more money essentially is it then

21:06

on. This is for a long time

21:08

and still like not quite breaking even

21:10

I think and it basically needed to

21:12

be making more money in order to

21:14

do that Said need this deal I

21:16

think it's sixty million dollars per year

21:18

with Google so allowed to go. To

21:21

train it's a while. models. On

21:23

Reddit data and. I.

21:26

Think probably some users or maybe uncomfortable

21:28

with the idea of their words been

21:30

ingested into a trainee model. But also

21:32

like the put those words on Reddit but it

21:34

isn't a scam and and on us. Google

21:36

also one way that these.

21:39

Different. Companies making a I language

21:41

models can differentiate themselves as like they

21:43

desperately need more and more. Words.

21:46

Right? Like they need more content to

21:49

ingest to train models to become better.

21:51

There's something called the Common Crawl, which

21:53

is basically this sort of open source.

21:56

Giant. Massive chunk of the web for

21:58

years and years. and. Everyone uses that

22:00

and they've already gobbled that. Afraid. that's

22:03

how like Wikipedia and a lot of

22:05

other web sites have been somewhat and

22:07

just said now you have all these

22:09

other companies going along. Saying hey if

22:12

you wanna use are soft you have

22:14

to pay us aren't or licenses essentially

22:16

a lot of media companies are doing

22:18

that now. Business Insider's parent company. Does

22:21

that with open a I and I

22:23

don't know how good those deals are.

22:25

To some degree it may be like

22:27

that have lasted newer probably either. Gonna

22:29

do it anyways, but for google getting

22:31

to license read it. Is great as

22:34

rent. It has a lot of words. It has a

22:36

lot of pitchers. It has a lot. Of. Useful.

22:39

Information: Tell me what happens to

22:41

Google Whedon Googles A I robot

22:43

ingests Reddit and treated as gold

22:46

standard human knowledge. says

22:48

the. Way the Google Ai modules

22:51

work is if you ask. A.

22:53

Question that might have a

22:56

kind of answer like what

22:58

temperature? Should I cook a turkey?

23:00

Yeah right. like it could come

23:02

up with that with an ai

23:04

search results or some other. that

23:06

and. The. Is. So.

23:09

The most part are honestly probably pretty

23:11

helpful. For most searches for most people most

23:13

of the time rates are you said the

23:15

for size. I was at a bowling alley

23:17

and I was sorry one of the gutter

23:19

over and over again and I googled Harrys

23:21

visceral a bowling ball and it. Hurts

23:24

it's if I'm betting deceive your arm

23:27

cause serious side you aim at the

23:29

arrows now the pens it helped really

23:31

to France Pt may be wanna try

23:33

to have those bumpers for a that

23:35

they can put up at the mall

23:37

in our office of the did observers

23:39

I researchers is about as there's this

23:41

guy. At the lane next to the who was

23:43

like super Reds. And lights. So

23:45

yeah. And then I realized who's like eating

23:48

the ball and was over. and he had

23:50

the bumpers up as a serve God as

23:52

wrong, some some. Now Google will give you

23:54

that sort of quick answer. It'll give you

23:57

the tips on how should I for a

23:59

bowling ball. Okay, keep your

24:01

arm close friend at

24:03

the knees. Or whatever

24:05

and it's source in as information

24:08

through. Potentially multiple different web sites.

24:10

I think typically what it does it

24:12

does give you links at the bottom

24:14

to the website said it sounds information

24:16

on and sort of. Averaged it

24:18

out to right. it's own little. Three.

24:21

Sentences about it, but a big.

24:23

Places. Is getting this now from his reddit.

24:26

Right as a what eyes, I have

24:28

enormous medio. he was. People notice that

24:30

on Reddit. Sometimes people either. A.

24:33

Wrong or try to be funny as his are

24:35

very funny and if you're human being you by

24:37

know what a joke as and if you're an

24:39

ai you might not know what a joke as

24:41

like what were some of the results you saw

24:43

the people are sharing. So

24:46

London season as I come from

24:48

read it was someone surged how

24:50

many rock said i eat and

24:52

googly eyes? Answer was. It

24:54

is recommended to eat one roth

24:56

per day and that was sourced

24:58

from an article from The Onion

25:00

Wedge. Issue in

25:03

Been knows that. The Onions

25:05

has satirical articles that are not meant to

25:07

be real, but when you see that in

25:09

a Google answer, it certainly doesn't look that

25:11

way. It's also it's very funny that. To

25:14

go a second. Factual information from The

25:16

Onion. Decision. Been here for

25:19

a second. I. Should say a Google

25:21

spokeswoman to the New York Times that

25:23

the vast majority of A I Overview

25:25

queries resulted in quote high quality information

25:28

and she said of these bad results

25:30

that quote. Many. Of examples

25:32

we've seen have been uncommon queries.

25:36

Which. Didn't say what google may have

25:38

thought is. Most. People are just

25:40

die going to start eating rocks or

25:42

whatever because a search engine told them

25:44

to. Although. One. Person did choose

25:47

to take these to ranged search

25:49

results very seriously. so. There

25:51

is a screenshot that was going

25:53

viral. Wish someone had served since

25:55

how do I keep the seas

25:57

and sliding off my pizza and.

26:00

The gave a couple tips. the. Google A

26:02

I answer was like way to the

26:04

cheese cool. Before by eighteen and

26:06

then it also had a couple bullet

26:08

points and one was add east of

26:10

a couple of glued to the sauce

26:13

to keep it from side it off

26:15

as can. Leave. A pretty

26:17

quickly realized that zap syllable point have been.

26:19

Sourced. From and eleven year

26:21

olds post. Not by an

26:23

eleven year old although possibly bet

26:26

eleven years ago someone on our/pizza

26:28

have assets in question how I

26:30

keep the tease him signing off

26:33

and someone who had the user

26:35

name sucks. Miss of a

26:37

fun of. Had

26:40

suggested just add an eighth of a

26:42

cup of always glued year saw. Mix

26:44

it up and you'll have no problems

26:46

and all the commons under that were

26:48

like ah yes yes yes like. In.

26:51

That context, it was very obviously

26:53

a joke and. google.

26:56

Ingested this reddit answer

26:58

and provided it as

27:01

a sexual. Decent answer

27:03

to the question in it's

27:05

a I've center. And so

27:07

when you saw it was you decide to do. So.

27:10

This sort of screenshot was. Going.

27:13

Viral and a lot of people were. Enjoying

27:15

how ridiculous it was And I did

27:18

see someone say back in the day

27:20

other would have been a twenty three.

27:22

Year old, a buzz feed? Who would

27:24

have actually. Had to make the pizza

27:26

glue and eat it as a stamps

27:29

and I thought to myself. On

27:31

my twenty three, but I'm going to make

27:33

that pizza some other up. And

27:36

why? I see,

27:38

I just knew that I

27:40

had to do it that

27:42

it probably wouldn't. Kill me for

27:45

once A and. That. In.

27:48

Terms of a piece of content that

27:50

was going to illustrate. How ridiculous this

27:52

was. You could write about it and

27:54

say this is a ridiculous answer, but

27:56

that might only explain so much. The

27:59

way to really. Explain episode ridiculous that you

28:01

would be to actually make the pizza. Before

28:05

can he tells us what glue

28:07

does to the human. In essence

28:09

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return to an ordinary kitchen in

32:31

an ordinary home in an ordinary

32:33

state, New Jersey, in which nonetheless,

32:36

something was about to happen that

32:38

possibly had never before happened in

32:40

all of human history. Have

32:43

you ever made pizza before? I have.

32:45

I will say this did inspire me. I

32:47

should make homemade pizza more often. It's a

32:49

delight. But like I went to the grocery store, I got a ball

32:52

of dough that's uncooked pizza

32:54

dough and I

32:56

got jarred sauce, pre shredded

32:58

mozzarella cheese, came home, got

33:00

my ingredients. I already had the white glue. How

33:02

do you, I think the Reddit post if

33:04

I recall right, did specify non toxic glue.

33:07

How did you decide what type of glue

33:10

to use? So I looked at the glue I

33:12

had in my home, which was

33:14

Target brand white glue, the classic school

33:16

glue is white with a little orange

33:19

top. Yeah. And it said on

33:21

there, non toxic. I said good

33:24

enough for

33:26

me. I did Google how

33:28

much non toxic glue can you eat? I tried

33:30

a couple different versions like how much glue is

33:32

okay to eat? What happens if you eat glue?

33:35

You're asking the same AI that told you to

33:37

eat glue. I feel like you're not even learning

33:39

the lesson of your own joke. And

33:44

so true. I didn't want to,

33:47

I didn't want to dig too deep into it

33:49

because Mainly I was giving

33:51

a general response of like a little glue might

33:54

make your tummy hurt, don't eat too much.

33:56

And at one point I like saw some link

33:58

to like how much glue you could actually be

34:00

like bad for you since I came under

34:02

the name of the chemical and merits like some

34:04

sort of Paulie Acetate. Kind of saying it's

34:06

and was like some studies done on wrath of

34:09

like how much it cause salud. Tell

34:11

them and I was like not reading that different. The

34:15

other the as a a person with

34:17

a very limited under same either chemistry

34:19

or human biology major renounces be that's

34:21

there's something in a bid at a

34:23

certain death is toxic but I also

34:25

think like. Glue. Mixing stick

34:27

together and you're putting it through your

34:29

intestinal tract and like what it does.

34:32

Two things stick together inside of you.

34:35

Juri Mean, as you know, I can't

34:37

draw his stomach for you like it

34:39

is. Imagine things having a be bad.

34:42

I do think that by the time it

34:44

gets into years some okay this is again.

34:46

I'm making some big guess this year, but

34:48

that the gloomy mess of it would. Have

34:50

said have already been broken down by

34:52

whatever son of digestive process is you

34:54

might have split. It just doesn't

34:56

mind. We have a problem with a

34:59

I search so I recently with having

35:01

sort of like that debate with a

35:03

friend about the digestive process and whether

35:05

or not the sort of phrase like

35:07

have eaten. Thing that disagrees with you like

35:09

it goes right for you. You know, like oh,

35:11

I suppose. lay in. two hours later it came.

35:13

Out and as acknowledge doesn't work that way.

35:15

less suited. Twenty four hours to digest, you

35:17

can't eat something in two hours later that

35:20

actually comes out. The other end race is

35:22

the food you eat. Yesterday's of coming out

35:24

a were debating this about whether or not

35:26

it could be true and this is a

35:28

case for sort of lived experience. Of support

35:30

way is and com Cyprus I am.

35:33

And so I had been testing

35:35

out and app or an ai

35:37

search called Perplexity. I. Have used

35:39

on yeah which is only I sense

35:41

results. And is really good for like

35:44

questions how like this So I ask

35:46

perplexity a i can you prove something

35:48

outright as to read basically and it

35:50

gave me an answer that confirms. What

35:52

I knew sweeter which is no it takes

35:54

twenty four hour, says i just something and

35:56

that what can happen is that if you

35:58

eat something that disagrees. They make it

36:01

might stimulate response where yesterday's

36:03

launches coming out and I

36:05

was like ah look see

36:07

I'm right and. Or my thing with

36:09

a where's that information coming from. And perplexity

36:11

makes it a little bit harder to see

36:14

your sources and Google does. And I finally

36:16

like sounds. A little source of where this information and

36:18

come from. And when you're watching this

36:20

health information online like says eat you kind

36:22

of know in your mind like what's reputable

36:24

like Mayo Clinic or am I yates. Or

36:27

even with bet M D or Wikipedia even

36:29

on here. And this has

36:31

been service and Dude wipes.com. Or. Trying.

36:39

To win an argument and it's

36:41

with the correct information, but it

36:43

emits a little harder when you

36:45

realize that the information. Are getting has

36:47

been sourced from dude wipes.com guy is he

36:49

was appointed the whole problem of it which

36:52

is the inner has always been a place

36:54

where you have to be smart consumer of

36:56

information in a way that we all always.

36:58

sometimes they'll add but at least you had

37:01

contacts. looks and feels like what is tricky

37:03

about Ai Elisa's as exists right now. Is.

37:06

That you lost a lot of your

37:08

contacts are you have to dig harder

37:10

to find out. Like you can actually

37:12

see what ingredients are in? The thing

37:14

that you're eating is clearly. Yeah, I

37:16

think that you know by twenty twenty four

37:18

of the most people had become pretty good

37:20

at been able to look at a set

37:22

of Google search results and assess which is

37:24

the thing they want to click on. That's

37:26

gonna be the trust for. As the information

37:28

or whatnot. based on our experience

37:31

doing this and all information is

37:33

not equal rights. Yeah, but tensor

37:35

question? I wasn't so worried. About my

37:37

stomach pulling together. You were not toxic

37:39

chemicals and I guess I'm more worried

37:41

about is this a sort of forever

37:43

chemical macro plastic of other eats but

37:45

the same internet the tells you that

37:47

you clue on Peter how's you The

37:49

glue is safe to eat. How do

37:51

you get the glue into the pizza

37:54

So. the answer said to mix and eight

37:56

of a cop into a song so i

37:58

knew is this is going to the so

38:00

I think the eighth of a cup is

38:02

two tablespoons or it's one ounce. I did

38:04

have to Google that, which actually turned out

38:06

to be more than I thought it was

38:08

going to be. I was like

38:10

sort of eyeballing. I had my dough spread

38:12

out on my little pizza tin thing and

38:14

I was like, okay, well, how much sauce

38:17

do I mix it into? And I was just kind of

38:19

like, all right, I think I would probably use about half

38:21

a cup of sauce to, this looks like eyeballing it out,

38:23

half a cup. So I put in the eighth of a

38:25

cup into the half a cup. As

38:27

I was dumping in like tablespoon number one, I was

38:29

like, oh boy, this is a lot of glue. I'm

38:32

like, oh God, there's really quite a bit

38:34

of glue here. I

38:37

was imagining like, like it was

38:39

going to be like a light drizzle of glue and it

38:41

was not. It's a sizable amount. Did

38:43

it like change the color of the sauce when it

38:45

went in? It went from, you know, a red,

38:47

it was like cheap marinara sauce and it

38:50

turned it like orange, kind of like a

38:52

vodka sauce. So the

38:54

color, because we humans eat orange

38:56

pasta sauce, that in and of

38:58

itself wasn't necessarily off putting because

39:00

it looks like it was just

39:02

a different kind of sauce or something,

39:04

but it didn't really change the viscosity

39:06

or the texture, I wouldn't say.

39:09

So I went ahead, I put on

39:12

the pizza, I put on my shredded

39:14

cheese like I normally would and

39:16

I hadn't made pizza in like a while. In

39:19

hindsight, I've gotten some tips, like you should pre-bake

39:22

the crust a little bit. I didn't do that.

39:24

I thought it was like a reading instruction

39:26

on the like bag of pizza dough and

39:28

it said to like cook it like 550

39:30

degrees and I was like, my oven doesn't

39:32

go up that high. Like turn the oven up all the

39:34

way or whatever. Does glue have a

39:37

smell when it cooks? I think so. So

39:39

I let it cook for about 12 minutes

39:41

and when I opened up the oven

39:43

door, I was hit with

39:46

just like a wallop of

39:48

steam and that's when I immediately was

39:50

like, oh no. I

39:54

remembered all of a sudden that there

39:56

was this fake TikTok scare trend a

39:58

couple years ago called Malia. chicken

40:00

or sleepy time chicken and it was based

40:02

on someone had done this viral stunt originally

40:04

on 4chan where they essentially

40:07

poached chicken like raw

40:09

chicken in NyQuil and

40:12

then called it sleepy time chicken and ate it

40:14

or whatever and obviously this is a prank someone

40:16

recreated on TikTok and then there

40:19

was a like a little bit of a moral panic that

40:21

like this has gone viral and the kids are doing

40:23

it and the FDA came out and issued

40:25

like a warning of like do not do

40:27

NyQuil chicken challenge on TikTok and it was like no

40:29

one's really doing this this was like one person who did it for

40:31

fun I don't think I really like ate it the

40:34

FDA kind of got like snookered by

40:36

this but part of what they said was like it's

40:38

not just like drinking extra

40:40

NyQuil that will hurt you it's

40:42

the fumes from cooking NyQuil it

40:44

can create toxic fumes that can

40:46

cause lung damage and

40:48

so all of a sudden in this moment as

40:50

I'm hit by this blast of pizza

40:53

glue steam I'm like oh

40:55

no I created toxic

40:57

fumes from the glue

40:59

plastics and that's what's gonna kill me

41:01

it's gonna be the fumes they get me so

41:04

I turned on the oven fan and

41:06

stepped away a little bit I had to let

41:08

it cool but it was like the pizza did

41:10

seem bubblier than I would normally expect a

41:13

pizza to be I don't know if it

41:15

was the glue or the sauce or the

41:17

cheese or what but it was really like bubbling

41:19

and sizzling and making a lot of noise for

41:21

kind of a few minutes had you not known

41:24

that the glue is in the thing would you

41:26

have thought oh this is an unusually successful pizza

41:28

cut normally kind of want bubbles and you want

41:30

sizzle yeah I think I not

41:32

known the glue is in there and

41:34

I've also the pizza like looked really

41:36

good like I was kind of like wow

41:38

I did a good job here

41:41

good-looking pizza might be my best yeah so

41:43

I love the pizza cool yeah this is

41:48

when I started getting really nervous that I

41:50

had changed the chemical property that you know

41:52

sure this was non-toxic when it's room

41:54

temperature in the bottle of glue but they're

41:56

not expecting anyone to cook it and that

41:58

you may have significantly changed the

42:01

chemical properties of the glue and

42:03

now it's like incredibly toxic and

42:05

I'm gonna die so I started

42:07

getting nervous about that So I let it

42:09

cool like extra cool. I

42:11

eventually took a couple bites and

42:13

like it was not good Did it taste like

42:15

glue? No,

42:17

I mean it wasn't not good because it

42:19

was still pizza Is

42:22

it still pizza? Hahahaha There's

42:26

a lot you can do to pizza before

42:28

it crosses the threshold of like actually tastes

42:30

bad Yeah, I think I've not known

42:32

there was glue in there that was maybe

42:34

gonna kill me I probably would have been like

42:37

this is just kind of mediocre pizza This is like some Chuck

42:39

E. Cheese pizza, but I feel like it did have a weird

42:41

taste It's really hard for me to

42:43

assess how much of that was like

42:45

me knowing there was glue in there

42:47

versus it actually tasting bad And you

42:49

can't ethically blind taste test anybody else.

42:52

It's not like you can like Just

42:55

tell a friend like have a bite of this in front of the intake

42:57

I'm just surprised there isn't glue Yeah,

43:01

and I didn't want to eat too much

43:03

again because I started getting really worried about

43:05

the toxic properties of the cooked glue I

43:07

probably only had a few bites I would

43:09

say it was like fine, but I was a little

43:12

bit in my head of like oh my god This

43:14

is what's gonna kill me. This is what's the big

43:16

one And did it

43:18

stop the cheese from sliding which is the whole thing? So

43:29

what what what have we learned from this I

43:36

Think a question what have we learned I

43:40

Think we've learned that You

43:44

shouldn't put glue on your pizza no matter what Google tells

43:46

you to do no matter what Google tells you to do

43:49

This was certainly an embarrassing incident for

43:51

Google. They really want to compete

43:53

against these other AI companies

43:55

like Open AI Or even

43:57

things like perplexity was like it's not like perplexity

43:59

is. Over to the in

44:01

the Google search market for now, but

44:03

they really want to be making sure

44:06

that they're. Continuing.

44:08

To. Own. Certs Essential A

44:10

Dead. These other models are not going

44:12

to get away with. Be

44:14

where people go to and they have questions

44:17

they don't want someone asking sad Cpt what

44:19

air filters flyby they want. People.

44:21

Using google the I find it confusing as

44:23

someone who I'm excited that were living or

44:25

a moment where things are changing even if

44:27

I don't know whether this hinges will now

44:29

positive or negative like I'm ago something new

44:32

and I'd like something you know I find

44:34

a iso vexing as things her understand because

44:36

it's like one minute. I. Can feel

44:38

fully convince. Oh My. God.

44:40

this can be so distracted because it's so effective

44:42

and because it's so powerful And the next minute

44:45

it's like telling people that put glue and their

44:47

pizza. Is this really confusing? Like it's really confusing

44:49

to figure out like oh, is this like a

44:51

funny bug that then they'll just trainee I and

44:54

nothing this over happen again Or if there's a

44:56

lesson in it Which is that. The.

44:59

Trade off of a I may be that

45:01

as we have less transparency around the sources

45:03

of information, Maybe. We'll need

45:05

different skills for finding information on line three

45:08

years now than we did. Five. Years

45:10

ago. Yeah. I think

45:12

about a lot of what. Like

45:14

librarians? Do Right! They don't know all the

45:17

information in the world but they know where it

45:19

exists and like where to go look for five

45:21

days set of know what the indexes are to

45:23

go search out the things. And you

45:25

can say I have a question I don't know where to

45:27

lock and they'll say. I don't know the answer.

45:30

If I send back and tell you where to look,

45:32

I think that what's missing from the vision I now

45:34

this current version of it is not good at telling.

45:36

You where to look for the

45:38

answer? And I think that B S. Yosef

45:40

had Bork. Search. Results so

45:43

much that was also getting frustrating

45:45

for them regular. People: Nasa they're putting read

45:47

it on the and. Yeah. How

45:50

about for you. How are you

45:52

searching the internet now? Right right now? In

45:54

this moment where everything's up and down in

45:56

the oceans on choppy like who's your library?

45:59

a massive google. That stuff. But like

46:01

I do think that every one. In

46:03

their mind, as you've been, On. The

46:05

internet. For awhile you have your own

46:07

repository of library and knowledge of like

46:10

where to go to look for the

46:12

thing raise I wanna know about Something

46:14

is happening right now. This seconds like

46:16

entered a probably Twitter acts as a

46:18

place. I want to go for men

46:20

information or if I wanna like. Learn

46:23

about a makeup technique. Or

46:26

something. I. Will. Probably wash it tick tock

46:28

video. I wouldn't necessarily search Google can on going

46:30

to get a bad google results and I think

46:32

that you just know all that stuff just because

46:34

you've been on the internet and you look for

46:36

stuff and that's what we do on our phones

46:39

all day is acquiring this knowledge. What's turkey is

46:41

when Google. Has long says don't worry about

46:43

all that stuff that you think you already

46:45

know we're going to change it for you.

46:48

To then it turns out

46:50

by it's not necessarily. A

46:52

Great results. And I do worry

46:54

that is we sort of lose the

46:57

sense of knowing where to look for

46:59

less. Can. Give me a good result and

47:01

we just rely on this or maybe younger? People

47:03

who are becoming. Online this is just

47:06

the only way they are used

47:08

to searching and is relying on

47:10

a I answers for things you

47:12

don't know when you're getting information

47:14

that's been sourced from of really

47:16

stupid like credit joke or. The.

47:19

Purveyor of personal life's his

47:21

tongue and about medical or

47:23

right hand. As I think there is

47:25

like a little. Bit of a worry of what happens

47:27

if we lose this sort of in a knowledge of

47:29

how the search. Or

47:32

you average of we're talking at the

47:34

end of May. The. Twenty

47:36

Twenty Five Pulitzer Prize That I

47:38

abundance. Of

47:40

you committed video of resolve to

47:42

compete with who are ready to

47:44

wait until entries officially open. I

47:46

have heard from the committee and

47:48

they're ready to three and new

47:50

category for me and of word

47:53

it right away and so I

47:55

think things are lucky enough. to

47:58

drink Thank you for having me. Katie

48:03

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48:05

and blogs at businessinsider.com. This

48:08

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