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free. Terms and conditions

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apply. I'm

1:30

gonna tell you a story about a road trip. A

1:33

road trip. The took place in Eighteen Eighty

1:35

Five. Until that year, If

1:37

you wanted to go somewhere you'd walk, you

1:39

take a horse. Or. You

1:41

take a train at a time.

1:44

A lot of people simultaneously. We're

1:46

trying to invent that motorized carriage.

1:48

But. None of the prototypes are ready for market.

1:51

One. Of these would be inventors was a

1:53

German man named Karl Benz. His.

1:56

Vision for this The Bends Patent

1:58

Motorcar. Most. people agree Not

2:00

the superior prototype automotive. It

2:03

only had three wheels. It was closer to a bike than

2:05

the competition. But Benz

2:08

was fortunate in one of the more important

2:10

ways you can be fortunate in that he'd

2:12

married the right person. This woman

2:14

named Bertha. Bertha

2:18

Benz had been the primary investor in the

2:21

project. He'd also helped design some

2:23

of the car's components. And

2:25

she felt like Carl was being too precious, tinkering

2:27

with the design for too long. She

2:30

thought it was ready for the world to see. And she

2:32

was gonna do something about it. I

2:35

read about all this in a piece by Brian Appleyard, author

2:37

of The Car, The Rise and Fall of the Machine that

2:39

Made the World. One

2:41

day, when Carl Benz was asleep, Bertha

2:44

stole the car. She

2:49

took their two sons on the first

2:52

automotive road trip in history. Bertha's

2:55

road trip from Monheim south to

2:57

her mother's house in Fort Zheim

3:00

ignited the German imagination, really the

3:02

world's imagination. It's the possibility

3:04

of what automotive travel would be. Supposedly,

3:07

there were people who saw her on the

3:09

street and were annoyed, who yelled, get a

3:12

horse, which, incredible. But

3:14

there were also people who, when they heard

3:16

what Bertha had done, they just got it.

3:20

Bertha's drive represented the possibility of

3:22

freedom. The ability, even

3:24

with your kids in the backseat, to move

3:26

faster and further alone than you ever

3:28

could have before. Distance

3:31

in our world was about to collapse.

3:34

The funny thing about that trip

3:36

though, is everything else Bertha invents

3:38

by happenstance. The prototype car

3:41

runs into problems, some of which she

3:43

can MacGyver, she uses a hat

3:45

pin to clear the fuel lines, a garter

3:47

for insulation, but along the way, she runs

3:49

out of fuel. So she has to stop at

3:52

a pharmacy to pick up more. That

3:54

pharmacy, now the world's first gas

3:56

station. The chain breaks, so she

3:58

stops at a blacksmith. It

4:01

was now arguably the world's first

4:03

auto mechanic. The

4:08

Benz patent motor car was a success. Just

4:10

a few years later, in 1903, Ford would release the Model A. Precursor

4:15

to the T, the car middle-class people

4:17

could actually afford, which would spawn

4:19

a world of Berthas. Also

4:21

in 1903, the Wright brothers made

4:24

their first successful flight. Which

4:27

feels like a coincidence, but to a lot of people,

4:29

it was not. Inventors

4:31

throughout the 20th century believed that

4:33

we would inevitably combine these two

4:35

technologies. That we would one day build

4:37

a car that could also fly. That

4:40

dream seemed attainable in the 30s and 40s. Visions

4:43

of the future reliably included the suburban

4:45

dad hopping in his flying car to

4:47

commute to some workplace. It

4:50

disappeared in the 1970s. And

4:52

afterwards, the flying car really just existed in

4:54

our culture as something to fight about. Where's

4:57

my flying car? These

4:59

days, you have some people who say over-regulation

5:01

has stopped us from getting there. You

5:03

have other people who believe corporate short-termism

5:06

is the problem. No

5:08

one, as far as I know, has raised the possibility

5:10

that perhaps we just need another Bertha. Someone

5:12

to steal a prototype, then head for the skies.

5:16

But writer Gideon Lewis Krauss has been looking

5:18

into this, and he has answers. Both

5:21

about why we haven't got flying cars yet,

5:23

and how close they are. He's even

5:26

flown one. He mentioned all

5:28

this at a bar. We wanted to talk to him about it

5:30

in the studio. Did you like your

5:32

control car? Yeah. I'm sure that

5:34

you're still on my intro questions. So we made him commute

5:36

to the search engine HQ. Can

5:39

you just introduce yourself, say who you are and what you do? I'm

5:42

Gideon Lewis Krauss, and I'm the staff writer at The New

5:44

Yorker. So

5:46

flying cars feels like something that one could

5:49

be interested in at any time, that you

5:51

decided to become interested in it. You

5:53

decided to spend time on it. What's

5:56

the origin story of you getting curious about this?

6:00

On the one hand, doing a flying

6:02

car story just seemed like kind of a lark. And

6:05

there's a long history of stories that are like flying

6:07

cars are just a couple of years away. So

6:09

to me, I need to figure out a way that this

6:11

story was going to be interesting, kind of

6:14

irrespective of when flying cars

6:17

are coming and in what form. Although,

6:19

as I discovered, they really are kind

6:21

of coming, if not in the form

6:23

that people anticipated. Right. So before

6:25

we get into all that, I just wanted to

6:27

find terms. Like when you say flying cars are

6:29

closer than we thought, what are you

6:31

saying when you say a flying car? It's not

6:33

a Honda Accord with wings. No. Okay.

6:36

So that's a great question. The first thing to

6:39

say is that there is a long history of

6:41

attempts to build what you would consider an actual

6:43

flying car, meaning something you can drive down

6:45

the street and then fly away. And

6:47

there were plenty of examples. Even

6:50

dating back to the 30s of

6:52

kind of proto helicopters that

6:54

plausibly could have turned

6:57

into a flying car. So

7:01

much of this stuff is also tied

7:03

up with the history of general aviation.

7:05

General aviation meaning non-commercial hobbyist pilots and

7:07

people flying themselves around in little cesnas

7:09

and stuff. And there

7:12

really was, especially after the war,

7:15

so many men came back from the

7:17

war experience with pilot training. And so

7:19

there was this big boom in general

7:21

aviation in the 50s. And in fact,

7:23

in one of the books I read,

7:25

I came across these ads from

7:27

the 50s for the Cessna flying

7:29

car of the air that talked about how like every

7:31

middle class family was going to have an airplane

7:33

parked in their garage. And like the Mrs. was

7:36

going to, when she went shopping, she was going

7:38

to fly there. This

7:43

whole era that Gideon is talking about

7:46

of American inventors pursuing the dream of

7:48

the flying car produced some of the

7:50

funniest, most AI generated looking contraptions I've

7:53

ever seen. If you're

7:55

on your phone or at a computer, please just pause

7:57

for a second so you can be prepared to search

7:59

these as we go. I present

8:01

to you the Waterman Roadable Aircraft from

8:03

1935. A combination automobile

8:05

and airplane that can make 70 miles an hour on the

8:07

road. A three-wheeled coupe without wings,

8:09

powered with a regular six-cylinder auto engine. You see

8:12

this car pull out of a driveway. It looks

8:14

like somebody took a VW Bug, smushed it from

8:16

the sides so it'd be more narrow, and

8:18

then scotch-taped the result to a helicopter's tail rotor.

8:20

When the driver wants to take to the sky,

8:22

he simply rolls into the nearest airport where he

8:25

has parked his wings and has them attached in

8:27

a matter of minutes. You watch this goofy device

8:29

actually take off and fly. It

8:31

strikes me as an adorable way to probably die.

8:34

And then there's a newsreel clip of the 1949 Taylor

8:36

Aero Car. Have

8:40

you ever been caught in a traffic jam and wished

8:42

you had wings and could fly away from it all?

8:44

Well, you're not the only one, but

8:47

Moulton Taylor of Longview, Washington did something

8:49

about it. He designed and built

8:51

the Aero Car. This one

8:53

looks like a standard single-engine, single-pilot

8:55

plane. Except the cockpit has

8:57

been replaced with what looks to me like

8:59

the car from Mr. Bean. The conversion takes

9:01

but a few minutes. No more

9:03

trouble than changing a tire and a lot

9:06

more fun. This one also takes off

9:08

and flies. A real flying

9:10

car before my dad was born. The

9:19

absolute best one, also from the 40s, was

9:22

the Convair Car. There's just images of this,

9:24

no video. A plane

9:26

clutches underneath it a tankish sedan.

9:29

A car which looks like it's about to be dropped

9:31

like a bomb on the landscape below. All

9:34

of these designs inspire a smile. None

9:36

of them inspire confidence. Every

9:38

image is the same visual cloak. What

9:41

a car wants to be, big

9:43

and sturdy. And what a plane wants

9:45

to be, light and aerodynamic, are just

9:47

fundamentally at war with each other. It's

9:50

like all these dreamers are desperately trying to

9:52

make an elephant and a hummingbird. The

9:56

core engineering problem that will doom

9:58

this entire generation. Fine. ours.

10:02

The first thing that people in

10:04

Aviation will tell you is that

10:06

the very idea of. A.

10:08

Find Her in the Pure sets meaning a roadable

10:11

aircraft. Something you can drive on the road and

10:13

then take off and then land. and then drive

10:15

is just sat on a basic level. Cars and

10:17

airplanes have different missions, a different requirements. you want

10:20

different things out of them. You want the car

10:22

to grip the road, you don't want the car

10:24

to take off from the road. The right a

10:26

spoiler for example of basically the opposite of a

10:28

wearing it is using air pressure put you down

10:31

to get more purchase on the ground. I didn't

10:33

even know day he added and much fun as.

10:36

Getting pointing out me something about the story

10:38

I told of the top of this episode,

10:40

the three bertha bands and the various genius

10:43

improper the Tory fixes he made on her

10:45

motorcars maiden voyage. For. Bands

10:47

could afford to stop and make

10:50

tweaks because crucially, She. Was

10:52

not flying through the air. When. You're

10:54

in the air. There's no just like

10:56

pulling over by the side of the

10:58

road to South and Six something So

11:00

just like that it's so much harder

11:03

to do that kind of it or

11:05

it of work like once you have

11:07

people inside and aircraft right side Bertha

11:09

Bandstand the exact seems that was flying

11:11

car. Even at first stop

11:13

where she runs out of gas. See.

11:16

Crashes presumably she dies. There's no Mercedes

11:18

Benz Com A There's like a Mercedes

11:20

company. Maybe it's and people aren't like

11:23

are this looks great It's like this:

11:25

the margin of error on flight assist

11:27

way way, way more punishing, way more

11:29

presence. But an example, the conveyor car

11:31

there was this same as test flights

11:34

were see meme. Test pilot lifted the

11:36

wrong fuel gauge and instead of looking

11:38

at the airplane seal gauge, he looked

11:40

at the car seal gauge. A round

11:43

of fuel on the air and crest

11:45

and. He wants away from an accident,

11:47

but the project didn't survive that stat.

11:49

Like you all. You needed was like

11:51

one big. High profile crass analysis.

11:53

lights out for these projects. Got

11:56

it? The technology was there, just

11:58

wasn't robust and us. And

12:00

keep him off and reliable enough for

12:02

it to become a mass. The

12:08

technology that was becoming robust enough in

12:11

cheap enough and reliable enough for the

12:13

masses was commercial flight. Passenger planes like

12:15

the Boeing seven or seven the way

12:17

we would fly, the turnout would not

12:20

look like cars with wings. It would

12:22

look like buses with wings, big tubes

12:24

and for the hundreds of people expensive

12:27

bass transit in the skies. A

12:31

migraine, but also a miracle. Commercial

12:33

aviation That cheap and efficient

12:35

and safe. And so then

12:37

why would you. Take the rest

12:40

of flying around a a little planes

12:42

this your family could afford to fly

12:44

commercial got so he's a pre war.

12:46

It's like they're sort of just like

12:49

bubbling Moment of Invention were. Maybe we

12:51

stick? wings are cars. post war you

12:53

have one of the this weird side

12:55

effects of a country war is that

12:57

a lot of people are trying to

13:00

find some of them come home and

13:02

they have this vision of like I

13:04

like flying I could imagine in America

13:06

that is connected by a bunch of

13:09

small. Planes and said at the school sullied

13:11

many houses and cars and trains. And to

13:13

there's a moment where it looks like the

13:15

future is a lot of individuals fine and

13:17

in your same. Just like commercial air travel

13:19

just gets better and is or is there

13:21

a lot of factors involved. That that is

13:23

that. And the other thing is that

13:25

anybody can be taught fact that there's

13:27

a big difference between. Flying. A

13:30

plane and a beautiful clear sunny day

13:32

where he's and would walk out the

13:34

window and see where you are and

13:36

flying a plane under you know what

13:38

are called instrument firewalls with says can't

13:40

rely on visual and pads and you

13:42

have to look at your instruments to

13:44

know where you are and so part.

13:46

Of this just reliability that. Be a

13:48

people wanted something that he like would allow

13:50

them to reliably get around in any weather

13:52

and like a little airplane is much harder

13:54

for the. This.

14:00

Reliable little airplane, something that can

14:02

be phone from our homes without

14:04

pilot training. Really define car of

14:06

our dreams. That. Wade when

14:08

they appear Gideon would fly in. it. But.

14:11

That would take a couple generations. In.

14:13

The Nineteen Seventies, the dream of defying

14:15

card disappears for while in early aughts

14:17

the idea of flying cars becomes this

14:20

rallying cry in Silicon Valley for people

14:22

who believe we've lost our ability to

14:24

imagine the future. Or. At

14:26

any rate of heater, we'd actually want to live in. Good

14:30

evening everybody. Thank.

14:32

You for your patience. The.

14:34

Lights are sufficiently bright that we can see

14:37

any of you soil for you if you

14:39

can see us in. Twenty Twelve, Fortune Magazine

14:41

throws a dinner and debate event on says

14:44

Eric Schmidt, former Google Ceo in a big

14:46

white button up vs. Peter Thiel Paypal cofounder

14:48

feet or maybe sit next to me. The

14:50

moderator has little fun Interesting to ah I

14:53

will make any jokes about who's on a

14:55

writer whose on the left we've got plenty

14:57

of time for that is he did kill

14:59

his dress in Chinos and a blazer with

15:02

a shirt that have to say is somewhat

15:04

previously unbuttoned. The Debate: Saying

15:06

this about the technology industry. What?

15:09

Hasn't done for us lately. Here's

15:11

our that moderator introduces Peter. Tailspin

15:13

isn't Us said that the problem

15:15

with Elites is that they are

15:17

skewed in an optimistic directs You

15:19

say that America has lost its

15:21

police in the future. And lastly

15:23

I believe this is the slogan

15:25

of your Founders Find You Use

15:27

it for Founders Fun States We

15:29

wanted flying cars. Instead we got

15:31

one hundred forty characters. Up

15:34

Peter tests on them. Well, I

15:36

I don't know, I think Eric.

15:38

You do a fantastic job and

15:40

such as odd as on as

15:43

googles Minister of propaganda. As

15:46

a fan but other weekend you were

15:48

going to be nice and on an

15:50

eye on what he does. A fantastic

15:52

job I on a stadium you talk

15:54

about your piece. This debate between Peter

15:57

Thiel and Aerosmith Death. You describe

15:59

how your job explaining to find car

16:01

problem the crowd. Is I'm

16:03

sorry about the good old days America

16:06

He says like if you will tell

16:08

people dead for nineteen to rejuvenate it's

16:10

me to get a sick for the

16:12

recruitment and was masked by incredible technological

16:14

progress. Cars got better you when you're

16:16

the aeronautics and for got started I

16:19

he went from no planes to supersonic

16:21

just on you when thought you had.

16:23

The computers were invented yet all sorts

16:25

of not incredibly important dimensions and which

16:27

are progress took place and he has

16:30

like and it's sort of stops. The

16:32

moderator asks why. He's as I'm

16:34

a Libertarian so I'm Libertarian. I think

16:36

it's because the government's outlaw technology on

16:39

were not allowed to develop new drugs

16:41

with the Ft Eight charging one point

16:43

four billion dollars for new drug. You're

16:45

not allowed to fly Supertanker Sonic just

16:47

because are too noisy. You're not allowed

16:49

to on build nuclear power plants or.

16:52

Say. Nothing of fusion or Four am or

16:54

any of these other new technologies that might

16:56

really work so I think are we basically

16:58

outlawed everything having to do with the world

17:00

of stuff and the only thing you're lot

17:03

to do is in the world of bets

17:05

and that's we've had a lot of your

17:07

neighborhood number one ranking our part as and

17:09

such as curtails are going I buy things

17:11

do you think see as when you're like

17:13

how much as this is a problem of

17:15

regulation. So. I

17:17

think one thing that. Interested. Me about this

17:19

or as I went along is that there's a very

17:22

big difference between as you it's of their kind of

17:24

like. A self appointed mandarins

17:26

the south on valley who make

17:28

these like bigger actually pronouncements and

17:30

then people actually filled stuff. Among

17:32

the rank and file I just don't think you

17:35

see are a lot of conversations like this lady.

17:37

don't complain about like my son I. Think. That

17:39

they're just focus on solving actual problems and

17:41

not and like coming up with see his.

17:44

Grandmother. Narratives about like why

17:46

we don't have problems anymore so.

17:48

The second that you start to like. Apply

17:52

Actual com. Domain specific

17:54

analyses to do things Peter Taylor saying

17:56

like. And that the Sd

17:58

A thing is completely wrong. It Malagasy.

18:00

A charge as company is a like

18:02

a billion dollars. And funny the with the fc

18:05

A is. Loaded Do this stuff. Like

18:07

that the Sta approval times have

18:09

gotten dramatically faster over the last

18:11

like thirty or forty years is

18:13

that it costs a lot of

18:15

money to develop a drug addict.

18:17

Got a drug approved assist Like

18:19

a really basic category mistakes so

18:21

that. Is. Kind of

18:23

a lake or to serve a talking point

18:25

that's just like not accurate if you know

18:28

anything about drug approval America. But

18:30

the nuclear saying he's right about and I

18:32

think for a lot of these people who

18:35

complain. About like how we regulated

18:37

ourselves to Das Nuclear is what

18:39

they're really thinking about because as

18:41

of is starting in the early.

18:43

Seventies. But then. Decisively.

18:45

With the Meltdown. At Three Mile Island in Nineteen,

18:47

Seventy Nine Like it becomes. Virtually

18:50

impossible to build new nuclear power plants

18:52

in America and this is something that

18:54

like a lot of the environmental activists

18:56

of the time or just. Wrong

18:58

and alarmist about and like now it seems

19:01

like well it would have been nice if

19:03

we had built on a suit their power.

19:05

By. Of back then so I think part

19:07

of the frustration like a lot of it.

19:09

Says I'm from sounds like just energies

19:11

and so did seals whole story or

19:14

and part of his explanation for why

19:16

I'm fine car is is that like

19:18

a. We ran out of. All.

19:22

All. All in nineteen seventy in any of the

19:24

oil sauce. And nineteen seventy Three And then history

19:26

is. Like instead of kind of lights

19:28

boldly inventing our way. Out of

19:31

these problems we just like

19:33

coward and anxiety but. Like

19:35

Venmo come around it. Aviation the

19:38

minutes at you tell. Anybody.

19:40

Who knows about aviation this kind of like Pierce Hill story.

19:43

They just laugh at you. I mean I talk to this

19:45

one guy who's to see of on of these. Aviation

19:48

companies and like a lifelong.

19:50

Aeronautical. Engineer and he was just

19:53

like I hate when people say

19:55

legs. Please look the same as they did

19:57

in the Nineteen sixties. May go to save same

19:59

speed. The was like what do look the same

20:01

as is a nice well I mean they look

20:04

the same because like there are certain principles of

20:06

aerodynamics and he was but you have your put

20:08

a spoiler on an airplane Unless he said to

20:10

me was like seems very blunt He was like

20:12

what if you're a four year old and you're

20:14

holding up like you know a picture of a.

20:17

Sewing seventy seven And like. And Seven Eighty

20:19

seven. Like sure, they can. Illegal looks. The

20:22

same from the outside, but actually like they're

20:24

completely different machines and in the meantime, like

20:26

same size so. Much farther, they're like

20:28

eighty percent more fuel a sense.

20:31

They also sly themselves now in

20:33

a way that they definitely did

20:35

not use to. And them. And.

20:37

Infinitely. Safer know as fetal

20:40

commercial. Crash in America. was in

20:42

Buffalo and Two thousand Nine and

20:44

like that's a completely. Insane. It's

20:46

very easy to take that for granted because like.

20:49

Like please east press a lot and

20:51

now they don't And. Silver people, Navy's

20:53

industries. They're like when you time

20:56

a technological stagnation like this is

20:58

a miracle. that like polite like

21:00

we move millions of people. Through

21:02

tubes in the sky and like never

21:04

lose anyone named yes it a point.

21:06

It's funny to the families of surprised

21:08

at how easy on Mars I am

21:11

for the lake. I'd

21:15

like technological progress and I liked the idea that

21:17

I will see things in my life's and then

21:19

I wouldn't expect to. It's

21:22

weird that you can get me pretty close who I can

21:24

do break you Please pick. Up,

21:27

it's like Richard regulate the blades like

21:29

of all the things that you would

21:31

want to be immersed in regulation safety

21:33

like the planes that fly in the

21:36

sky for profit or probably something where

21:38

you don't want to fight lead, industry

21:40

run crazy. Both yeah. Okay

21:42

so when you actually talk to people who

21:44

understand the details best was I'll say is

21:47

that has been like kind of technological innovation.

21:49

The same just doesn't look that different. Get

21:51

the letters Winning! Yes! I'm and also

21:53

than like. This one of the

21:55

things we time. I take a step back and you're like. Okay,

21:59

wall. What are we actually have

22:01

and like arguing about here? Like are we

22:03

saying that like our lives are so terrible

22:05

because it takes us forty five minutes to

22:08

get to decay? Not Sistine. Is that like

22:10

the biggest problem? He had his out of

22:12

his you like thirty minutes. Too long to

22:14

get to the airport. Still like stats were you

22:16

have to go back and you're like, well, They're

22:19

complaining that we were. Sold.

22:21

This chat sony and Santa see that

22:24

never came to pass. But.

22:26

Then you're like okay to incessant

22:28

have a flying pod car that

22:30

like sold it literally folded up

22:32

into a suitcase and like what

22:34

did he do with as he

22:37

used to like get to work

22:39

right. Now who was this

22:41

Really like that? exciting have a dream in

22:43

the for Like it's just a dream that

22:46

was all the like apple and suburbanites who

22:48

were just use to ever greater can be

22:50

late. He worked at Us project how many

22:53

as he didn't see that happy. I remember

22:55

an odd a Jetsons ad for not littering

22:57

where they said the reason that they lived

22:59

in the sky was because bush was so

23:02

bad that had to push their houses above

23:04

the smog. The twenty first century is really

23:06

something which is one exception. This smog. Fortunately,

23:12

my house can rise above the

23:15

evolution of your last week at

23:17

all uses as as as I

23:19

had to. You're saying like the

23:21

thing that this sort of anti

23:23

regulation pro technology people for using

23:25

flying cars as their seventies mess

23:27

is like regulation might not be

23:29

the main problem and. We

23:32

actually have a lot of technological progress. Here.

23:34

And there again Legs. This is something that

23:36

you kind of here in the like. Booster

23:39

S ideological circles is you

23:41

have people basically saying like

23:43

were making bad cosponsored decisions

23:45

as society and we'll hear

23:47

people say like. We.

23:49

Salary forty thousand road fatalities

23:51

year and we tolerate zero

23:53

abs and us so like

23:55

suddenly time like loosen up.

23:58

On Navy's inside and like maybe. That allows

24:00

more experimentation and likes. He will just

24:03

be the class with semester of

24:05

deaths. And I buy that argument.

24:07

Provocative. It's provocative, but no pilot know

24:09

there's a road I doubt it will

24:11

ever make the hard on. As a

24:13

footnote: no serious person. In the industry

24:15

will make this argument and is anything use

24:17

hundred people and they're like wolf is. A

24:19

good point but like the opposite should be the

24:22

opposite which is like it's great that nobody dies

24:24

and play and like wide. Do so many people

24:26

died in cars. Like we actually do know

24:28

how to solve these problems. That again,

24:30

like those, are largely political problems. So.

24:33

Generally speaking, it's safe to say in

24:35

the argument about by Die Science has

24:37

yet you're putting has led to a

24:39

place of skepticism that regulation as primary

24:41

problem. Yeah, I mean, I don't think

24:43

regulation as a primary problem. But.

24:45

Also, I mean like regulation, Surly is

24:47

part. Of that there was a flying car design

24:49

in the nineteen seventies that seem to have. The guy

24:52

was talking to Sai for years and years and years.

24:54

And the essay, i can kind of sandbagging ham. But

24:56

also, I mean those regulations and. Come out

24:59

of nowhere. I mean those regulations came. Out of

25:01

the fact that we wanted to empower the agency

25:03

to help. Make flight safer. I mean, so

25:05

they're like there was a real mandate here.

25:08

This. Is not an example. Where people were

25:10

being stifled by these like safe,

25:13

less overly cautious gurkhas Washington. it

25:15

was like flight safety concerns all

25:17

of us and we actually want

25:19

a regular here to be like

25:21

pretty aggressive in pursuit of making

25:23

this activity more thing right It

25:25

does free for all Wild West

25:27

Do whatever you want version were

25:29

flying, cars are just crashing in

25:31

American cities constantly. is not like

25:33

most people's idea of a future

25:36

utopia threat. So. There

25:38

are a lot of reasons why

25:41

be available technology is it did

25:43

not seem to make a kind

25:45

of like mass commercial version of

25:48

a private aerial vehicle plausible until

25:50

about fifteen years ago. After

25:55

the break to the last fifteen

25:57

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25:59

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26:01

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26:03

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26:06

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29:08

says that around the same time some people

29:10

were arguing about why we don't have flying

29:13

cars. Other people had just started figuring out

29:15

how to make them and when this new

29:17

generation of investors survey the landscape, they discovered

29:19

that a lot of recent tech innovation would

29:22

make these new craft much easier to build.

29:24

The money come before them. To

29:28

to new big innovations, Batteries has

29:31

gotten powerful and lighter and to

29:33

now be used in flying machines

29:35

plus distributed electrical propulsion had advanced.

29:37

That's the ability to use electric

29:40

motors to provide lift off and

29:42

thrust. The same technology that was

29:44

being used power drones these inventors

29:46

thought may now power something slightly

29:49

larger with room for a human

29:51

or for. This

29:53

new kind of device. If you want to sound

29:55

smarter than me, you don't call it a flying

29:57

car if you call. A V Tall

29:59

vertical. It off and landing craft

30:01

but it's a thing or wait. Netflix

30:03

is T V Podcasts radio When you

30:06

look at them, many of them strongly

30:08

resembles George Jetsons with be flying Cars

30:10

don't need runway spear They don't have

30:12

wheels, their tiny little craft that you

30:15

can park at a home for deport

30:17

like a tiny how that they take

30:19

off straighten the are like a helicopter

30:22

but then rotate into a position where

30:24

they five forward like a plane to

30:26

fulfill the promise of the flying car.

30:28

Because you can pilot one from your

30:31

house alone and go anywhere you want

30:33

to. A car does it here in

30:35

the heavens Gideon says as far as

30:37

anyone knows, the first manned flight of

30:40

one of these vehicles has flown by

30:42

essentially a home and enter about fifteen

30:44

years ago. So

30:47

there's Geico Marcus Lang He the

30:49

Canadian inventor. And

30:51

see have been flying since he was

30:54

a teenager and like this is the

30:56

story of almost everybody you meet in

30:58

this industry like these are people who

31:00

like got their first flight lessons on.

31:02

they were eleven twelve sixteen years old

31:04

and I have always dreamed of flying

31:06

and like. You. Know. New.

31:10

Like. Them. Inventor. New aircraft and

31:12

also a green find to more people

31:14

and so. See.

31:16

And dream like since the early eighties of

31:18

like the perfect airplane which is gonna be

31:20

like this little like single seat saying that

31:22

was really simple and easy control and like

31:24

wasn't gonna require a pilot training. Marcus.

31:27

Lang Invensys craft in his basement in

31:29

a rural area north of Lake Ontario.

31:32

A prototype. I can only find one

31:34

photo of it. It looks chunky, sort

31:36

of like it's built in minecraft and

31:38

awkwardly can be seen with lots of

31:40

her dollars. You can see the pilots

31:42

helmeted had poking out of the an

31:44

enclosed top like it looks those kind

31:46

of sleek and sort of ungainly like

31:48

you look anything like that. gonna fly

31:50

on. He invites a bunch friends over

31:52

to his house and he he tells

31:55

them to like hide behind a row

31:57

of. Parked. Cars. And

31:59

then he. Fiddles around as like. A couple

32:01

of what a hop to try to like. Get.

32:03

The controls dial then and then

32:05

he eventually like rears back at

32:08

like hovers a meter off the

32:10

ground. And then

32:12

he flies forward and he tries to

32:14

like do this kind of like cool

32:16

skidding term like a skier and in

32:18

the process banking his wing touches on

32:20

the ground and his he thinks to

32:22

himself like alice not and wealth but

32:24

like it was so excited trousers a

32:26

stable that it like. It. Stabilizes

32:28

a dig the sorry for David into his ground

32:30

and then like comes to arrest and he

32:32

walks away. That. Was in

32:35

twenty eleven around the same time

32:37

Larry Page cofounder of Google that

32:39

seven to purchase person the world

32:41

per Bloomberg a billion many times

32:43

over. He. Gets involved according

32:45

to Gideon supporting when Larry Page

32:47

knows that drones were getting stronger

32:49

and batteries were getting lighter to

32:52

did the math and thought the

32:54

time of the fine car had

32:56

arrived to young creating something like

32:58

a distributed Are Indeed network secretly

33:00

funding multiple companies including the one

33:02

created by Marcus Slang, the comedian

33:05

engineer. In the first

33:07

five years of his project. Page.

33:09

Poured more than a hundred million

33:11

dollars of his own fortune into

33:13

one company. allowed to kept investing.

33:16

And Gideon says, as flying car

33:18

technology matures, more traditional institutional investors

33:20

gotten the game. Boeing.

33:23

Airbus, the Us Department of

33:25

Defense. So now. Can

33:27

assist seniors into that. There's some analysts. Four

33:29

hundred different companies start homemade crafts like this

33:31

and they vary a lot. I mean they'll

33:34

kind of have like a general like Arthropod.

33:36

Via wasn't arthropod ah, you

33:38

know, like with kind of

33:40

articulated exoskeleton laced sort of.

33:43

It. Menacing insect. Lake so I'm

33:45

I'm just look like kind of giant bugs

33:47

but they're a lot of different designs and

33:50

they're being developed for different uses. Gideon.

33:53

Laid three big categories for how

33:55

these fine cars may be used.

33:57

The verse. Personally, This.

34:00

Basically. Rich people who wanna have

34:02

fun. So. Some.

34:04

Of them are. Actual.

34:07

Personal. Aerial vehicles which are like they

34:10

exist under this Carve Out and Federal

34:12

regulations for. Ultralights. Which means that

34:14

basically it's like. A Federal concessions the

34:16

idea that they can't stop somebody

34:18

from you know, sexing up. One

34:21

more engine to a kite flying around their

34:23

backyard You can't fire in controlled airspace can

34:25

find anywhere near an airport you can fight

34:27

over certain altitude. You can't hide in

34:30

a congested areas. So congested is actually.

34:32

An. Elder sign term but like you can't

34:34

slide over houses and buildings and places where

34:36

people I mean you can fly at. like.

34:39

On. A ranch if you have a reference right?

34:41

So so you have, you won the lottery and

34:43

he had or lance. Used. By

34:45

this year and you had decides. Add

34:47

your friends are me i work we can

34:49

fi technically threats and like somebody from one

34:51

of the company. Answers. Like you know? Imagine

34:54

that. Like you need this. Survey your

34:56

vineyard from above. Image

34:59

of the that are a C O sea

35:01

of a vineyard that need surveying. We have

35:03

regrets but it's a It's kind of like

35:05

like the same way on these like big

35:07

while the poverty people have like a golf

35:09

cart or they'll have like a Polaris it's

35:11

a huge. Also have a golf cart in

35:13

the sky just in terms of functionality access.

35:16

To. That sees his one golf carts in

35:18

the sky. Use his to. Is

35:21

it Some of these flying machines might

35:23

serve essentially as flying taxis? Soon

35:25

as I see metal. I mean is is

35:28

essentially just. An electric version of

35:30

a helicopter that they hope is gonna

35:32

be kind of like Will Like Democratize

35:34

was out helicopter transit so there's one

35:37

company that has a deal with United

35:39

Airlines that's in Syria next year as

35:41

must are flying from. Mid.

35:43

Town to newer can really. But also

35:46

this is not exactly revolutionary. I mean

35:48

like and seventy is. There was a

35:50

hell a pat on top of the

35:52

panhandle. That and and had something like

35:54

forty eight scheduled flights a day from

35:57

midtown to like area airports. But then

35:59

another. This is like a lot of

36:01

people like. one of their favorite examples

36:03

of how any misstep shuts down a

36:05

whole flourishing branch of industry. Which is

36:08

that in in Nineteen Seventy seven, the

36:10

landing gear on these helicopters failed and

36:12

five people for them waiting to board

36:14

and one among the ground all got.

36:17

Killed by flying helicopter road or

36:19

and then like the how about

36:22

was sustained. Got. It and so.

36:24

We're. Sad you can go to a

36:26

building and Manhattan and it'll take you to

36:28

therefore New Jersey. And it's not that it

36:31

got shut down because it's hang onto the

36:33

impossible, it got shut down because people died

36:35

yet because people died and of course as

36:37

you pain of naive and take a blade

36:40

to Jfk or whatever but I think it's

36:42

like two hundred dollars at a seat. So

36:44

the idea of on these companies as that

36:46

they're going to do first probably kind of

36:48

midtown our paths to use existing infrastructure but

36:51

like to you to the airport and seven

36:53

minutes it's really quiet, much quieter than helicopter.

36:56

And and also more much more reliable.

36:58

The helicopters helicopters have single points of

37:00

failure and these things have multiple redundancies,

37:03

are much safer, crossed on, and that

37:05

the idea is even a safe debut.

37:07

this at more or less. The.

37:10

See. Cost of a helicopter that's at

37:12

a certain point in the next ten years

37:14

they want to. once it becomes volume business

37:17

A would wanna bring it down to basically

37:19

the cost of other rideshare. So like some

37:21

three dollars and a mile or something like

37:23

that to fly. Fuck. Interesting.

37:26

Okay okay so that's like another lane people

37:28

are pursuing their space. yeah and that seems

37:30

he according to the industry people I talk

37:32

to you like actually pretty plausible. that's that.

37:35

Within ten years people be flying around and

37:37

the their taxes it's to in ten years

37:39

or less they won a world where you

37:41

in several other people will get a nothing

37:44

and it will fly somewhere. You will not

37:46

touch a steering wheel or know that or

37:48

anything. It'll be like. The. Way Drones

37:50

are operated by the American Military yeah, they're

37:52

going to be on grounds. Supervisors who are

37:54

essentially like private air traffic controllers were just

37:56

observing the bunch of the thing fine around

37:59

at once and you're going to like book

38:01

the whole thing through a nap so you

38:03

would arrive, share and like you're in a

38:05

book and and like walk couple blocks tier

38:07

look over to forward and seven minutes later

38:09

you're taking off. So

38:13

use his one playing golf carts for the rich

38:15

and famous. Use

38:17

case to rideshare for the Icarus family.

38:19

The last use his. He talked about

38:22

the most unlikely one, but. The

38:24

most interesting one. Individual.

38:26

Commuters using flying cars. The

38:28

George Jetson Dream. People.

38:30

Definitely talk about you know this is

38:32

gonna like be a new form. Of

38:34

commuting and you're going to be able to live

38:36

in Scranton are paying him ten? or like some

38:38

kind of like the industrialized like it's going to

38:40

breathe new life into. These the industrialized places he

38:43

has. a person living in Spain could in

38:45

theory him you are to me to New

38:47

York yes, but that's pretty far away and.

38:49

Also plane of hard to imagine how it has allowed

38:51

to the or something like. I think

38:53

before the pandemic you have something like four hundred

38:55

thousand people crossing the Hudson River every morning. So

38:57

like right now these things carry like a max

38:59

of for people so then you like to strategies

39:01

matter your mouse and okay he would either kinda

39:03

thousands of these in the air. at any given

39:05

time and liquid people tolerate like the noise

39:07

of flights like. How how could that

39:10

possibly be done safely and reliably like

39:12

with the were a ways away from

39:14

that? really like it's it's kind of

39:16

in that air since before you hit

39:18

him as a house where one person

39:20

is as if like the of like

39:23

that sort of libertarian technologists deregulated future

39:25

is like a day in Manhattan where

39:27

you looked up and the skies like

39:29

blotted out with thrown like noisy buzzing

39:31

hell machines taking people from their big

39:34

mansions and screen Mit right Certainly going

39:36

to happen. Here

39:40

is what is going to happen

39:42

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39:44

a man who'd today to meet

39:46

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41:51

That's the one founded by Marcus Lang that

41:53

Canadian Meters on flying machine in his basement

41:55

and I was crushed sit in front of

41:57

his neighbors. He has since professional ice company

41:59

Pivotal as. That is until can barely. Own

42:01

Gideon was reporting sorry, he got a tip

42:04

that he should return. So

42:06

somebody at home in of

42:08

cognisant a pivotal and. I

42:11

i something you. Know like serene and

42:13

player and a call from their

42:15

Pr percent and she's like in

42:17

our our new. Craft goes on

42:20

sale like for presale in

42:22

two weeks and here we

42:24

are. Like have you ever

42:26

played video games? I was like lot yeah I

42:28

used to play like on a Golden Eye and

42:31

like Nineteen Ninety Seven but like not really Since

42:33

that and who had our wall. Your price till

42:35

the okay even not a game of us are

42:37

every bit of that that might have a grip.

42:39

it's that of separatists or she would let her

42:41

first or her first two questions were like are

42:43

you a gamer and are you like over two

42:45

hundred pounds. and with wasn't went where

42:48

she going with us and then she was. Like

42:50

so are are typical training curriculum

42:52

they call i can bespoke like

42:54

cause experience takes. I have seven.

42:56

To ten or fourteen days but like

42:58

result as abbreviated curriculum and like we

43:00

think we can probably like Get You

43:02

in the Sky. And like three or four

43:04

days of track. Suits. Her times out of

43:06

house like wheat. Lately I was not prepared for

43:08

us. Glass I was gonna like though was Spina

43:11

one of our people? Now are we in the

43:13

Us and she's a com as soon as you

43:15

want? He owns. An. Option

43:17

to do the full trailer guess like

43:19

we're at me I would be like

43:22

odd I can do seven forty. don't

43:24

have to do the cutting edge abbreviated

43:26

fine card writing for me my times

43:28

I that valuable. Ah yes the actually

43:31

like said didn't even occur to say

43:33

I'm doing really. I like with me

43:35

I just my eyes you'd was like

43:37

they really don't wanna go bankrupt vs

43:40

so I really don't think they're going

43:42

to risk killing me. Kill you'd be

43:44

very says have been a very bad.

43:46

For them, he added up here. And

43:49

I don't I try to place my wife

43:51

and like wind and fire this experimental aircraft

43:53

made of plastic. And.

43:56

But they're going to train me, their countrymen, a simulator and three.

43:58

Seem to be able to do and she was. We can

44:01

bring a city as if

44:03

I'm like go of the

44:05

last and. Some

44:07

on sport or what? I. Said Roa. I

44:09

was like less. You know I go out

44:12

there for five days. Their Intelligence Elaine go

44:14

there for five years. The. Plan is

44:16

are in. To. Train me for the first four

44:18

days. And. Then is I'm not

44:20

ready. They're not to let me socks. And.

44:22

Is I am ready Like I believe? And because like

44:24

then we'll. Go Bankrupt. And

44:27

so how did what is your face you?

44:29

I mean my kids were really excited about

44:31

a year on yet my was just like

44:33

was unfair like didn't iran on talk about

44:35

collecting She knew like civil ones who is

44:37

hop out of at yeah seen want to

44:39

hear about it and I think she really

44:41

just hope that I was in the sale

44:43

at training. So

44:46

I go out and I mean I say like

44:48

everybody who works for the company is great. Like

44:51

I liked everyone there. But.

44:53

They really just setting up their customer training center

44:55

and like the whole thing with a little bear.

44:57

And. Then they show me in the simulator

44:59

room which slit her couch and snacks a

45:02

ball and likes to didn't is chairs with

45:04

joysticks attached lamb and like Vr headset. I

45:06

will say I've noticed that at some point

45:08

of a tough for me rise that white

45:10

cloud. Service was like a really good thing

45:12

to say but there's never like a butler

45:15

with a like bob it's oh his. This

45:17

means you can talk to a human being

45:19

again I'm not a robot the as now

45:21

they. Will and my I mean like my flight.

45:23

Instructor was like a certified flight instructor ah

45:25

I'm although he's too big to fly the

45:28

glass eyes of right away I was like

45:30

oh is it like sign the finals and

45:32

I'm never flown and I'm a little bag

45:34

and I was like leave, never phone the

45:36

thanks and he was a call but feel

45:38

fine aircraft flying aircraft like laugh at different

45:40

unlike flying assessed on has like okay meanings

45:43

minutes only he'd already had the experience but

45:45

also he's twenty one some he hasn't done

45:47

exactly and so. a little different

45:49

than the santa was an insane is an

45:51

obvious examiner be correct that's clearly like i

45:54

was communicating like some other discomfort with like

45:56

to thank you know subset did you feel

45:58

like i'm blake You write

46:00

about technology which means to some degree you have

46:02

to be excited about it. Like you have to

46:05

think that more new things generally

46:07

speaking are better and That

46:11

means often encountering other people are like no like we

46:13

shouldn't do this. This is gonna happen blah blah blah

46:17

Did you have a moment of having more sympathy

46:19

for those people when you're like, oh The

46:22

cost of the flying car might be my

46:24

life You know, I try

46:26

to go into these things suspending judgment and like I

46:28

will say This

46:30

whole story really defied my expectations for

46:32

it because I sort of expected like oh They're

46:35

gonna be these companies that are like full

46:38

of like really well-intended smart people

46:41

who are good engineers who are designing things

46:43

we like kind of don't need because like

46:46

We know how to solve urban mobility problems

46:48

like we've had the same technologies for a

46:50

long time It's about like bikes and trains

46:52

and sidewalks and like these are just like

46:54

political problems. They're not technological one So I

46:57

went in like a little bit skeptical of the kind of

46:59

air taxi like we're all gonna be buzzing around Because

47:02

it just seemed like is that really like the best use

47:04

of our resources to put enormous amounts money

47:06

into like getting People to JFK

47:08

15 minutes faster. Like shouldn't we just be

47:10

like building more subways? So I went into

47:13

that with that kind of like general

47:17

Skepticism I think a lot of urban planners

47:19

share about the sector And

47:22

then with this one company, I was like, okay

47:24

Well, this is almost explicitly just like a toy

47:26

for the landed gentry But

47:28

whatever if I have the opportunity, I mean I

47:30

talked to so they had just done this abbreviated

47:33

training for a Rodent

47:35

tract journalist and they like gave me his

47:38

phone number and I called him Because

47:40

they were like well He'll tell you what the training is like so I

47:42

call him and like this somebody who like test drives

47:44

Bugatti's for a living and he Was like it's the coolest thing

47:46

I've ever done in my life. Okay, fine But

47:50

then he too was like what kind of gamer are you?

47:53

I Went

47:57

into it thinking like well, you know, I'm gonna

47:59

keep it open The right about this and then like

48:01

the suddenly out into the simulator I like all

48:03

his clothes hell like say sort of dispenser the

48:06

lot of the like of national training of like.

48:08

We're gonna go over checklists underground exercises, aerobic which

48:10

we get you in the simulator see what feels

48:12

like to the point me down and. Is

48:15

Central Park and had me like fly over

48:17

midtown. My house. And is a virtual reality T

48:19

V Re adversary, their sobbing I was on And

48:21

a New York controlling the thing with you have

48:23

A.part one That hard. I learned that pretty quickly,

48:25

but then the promise of course they have to

48:27

train you. I'm like a million. Contingencies so

48:29

they have to train you on like

48:31

what's the manual recovery procedure for lying,

48:34

loss of Gps or loss of radar

48:36

altimeter and like what happens when likes

48:38

of splice a flashing yellow. Or the lights

48:40

are flashing red or the lights flashing for ball

48:42

and like they have to train you on the

48:44

parachute even though the parachute. Doesn't. Really

48:47

work under two hundred feet. Not going to be

48:49

flying at one hundred seats. So later, flushing purple

48:51

and purple means polar bears. Of. Yellow

48:53

means land as soon as it's safe. Red

48:56

means like land is now.

48:58

Purple means les. Pole.

49:00

The Parish you. Still, A lot

49:02

of it is just. I mean a lot of slate

49:04

in general is just task management and. Just dealing

49:07

with like the cognitive load of paying

49:09

attention. To like what's my speed? What my battery

49:11

level? That especially because like this the main thing is

49:13

that when you're taking off and when you're in a

49:15

hover for the sand like the. Batteries gets hot

49:17

quickly as the batteries get over a certain

49:20

temperature as they get over a hundred eighty

49:22

degrees like they burn out and at fox

49:24

so lot of it. was just training for

49:26

at like these potential sale years and also

49:29

just like having me do the loop south

49:31

and be doing it is airport like five

49:33

million times I would get used to s

49:36

and then as a spat three and a

49:38

half days they brought another flight instructor. This

49:41

like tattooed former marine had phone

49:43

like recognizance zones and Iraq and

49:45

Afghanistan. To wake test me and

49:47

we went through like three hours of

49:49

tests where he would be like i'm

49:51

going to Langer like kill your motors

49:54

now Yeah, like make sure your cover

49:56

like land as quickly as possible or

49:58

none of these things happen in. modern

50:00

video games. It's not like since GoldenEye all

50:02

video games have been turned into like, I

50:04

guess they just meant, you know how

50:06

to use a joystick. Yeah, they

50:08

know, they meant, you know how to use

50:10

a joystick. Okay. Yeah. Well, no, but I think it was,

50:12

I think it was also a cognitive load thing. Like, can you

50:14

pay attention to a million different things at once and

50:16

like not lose your cool. Right. Because

50:18

like flying really is all about like just not losing

50:20

your cool. Right. And then at the

50:23

end of the testing, he gets like very solemn, like as

50:25

if he was like sending me into combat. Someone's

50:27

like, okay, you're, you know, you're cleared to fly

50:29

tomorrow. You're going to be a true aviator.

50:31

You're going to see what it's like to fly because

50:33

like it's not like the thing flies itself. You do

50:36

have to fly. So you got really

50:38

serious. And

50:40

then like the next morning I drove

50:42

out to this airstrip, like in the Sacramento Delta,

50:45

maybe 40 miles east of the Bay Area. And

50:47

they like gave me a flight suit. They gave

50:49

me a little patch, you know, like

50:51

there was a lot of ceremony attached to it. And

50:54

then the first flight was just like going

50:56

up and down, just like get the sense

50:58

for like the ignition feeling the up

51:00

and down. Yeah. Um, How,

51:03

how, how high up Like the, those

51:05

first flights, like just the kind of hover flights

51:08

were like 40 feet, 45 feet. Which

51:10

is actually kind of already crazy. Yeah. You're

51:12

a flying machine. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and

51:14

especially because like, first of all, it's very

51:17

loud. It's much louder than just like a

51:19

buzz of a drone. It's like leaf blower

51:21

loud. And you're like inside this vibrating thing.

51:24

Like it's a very embodied experience. Like that's the

51:26

part that's like not like a video game. Like

51:28

you really feel like you're inside this machine that's

51:30

like shuddering against gravity. And is your brain telling

51:32

you like, are you So the first one I

51:35

just had go up and like kind of look

51:37

around the guy had been like, I

51:48

forget to breathe. I definitely forgot to breathe.

51:51

And then like came down. Then

51:53

the next one was like going up and

51:56

doing like a little box pattern over the

51:58

pad, like left right back for And

52:00

that was fine. But in the

52:02

meantime, like everybody's having idle chat about like

52:04

various plane crash survivals. Like, oh, there was

52:06

that Serbian stewardess who survived the fall

52:09

from 30,000 feet. And finally my

52:11

flight instructor was like, yeah,

52:13

maybe let's not talk about this right now. So

52:16

then the third flight was like an actual

52:18

flight. So

52:22

I had to like take off vertically. I

52:25

had to do like a twisting, yawing ascent.

52:32

What's the yawing ascent? Like yawing is turning

52:35

and like rotating around like

52:37

the z-axis. Okay. And

52:40

so I had to like ascend, but also

52:42

turn away from where the hangers are. So

52:44

I wouldn't like overfly like the people on

52:46

the ground or the hangers. Yeah. And

52:48

then at about 45 feet, you level off forward

52:50

and then you keep climbing to like 110 feet. I

52:56

flew over like ponds and black cows below

52:58

me and like hills. Like it was like

53:00

the something that I was up there I

53:03

was just like breathtaking. I was like, oh, I

53:05

get it now. Like this is magical. This is

53:07

amazing. Then all of a sudden I was like, who

53:09

cares about all the other shit attached to

53:11

this? Like who cares about like the

53:13

regulatory story or the technology story? Like just

53:15

just like cool as hell. It's like really like

53:17

wiped me clean of so much of the stuff

53:20

that I'd come in with. Really? It

53:22

is just an incredible experience. Like I never want

53:24

to land. I just want to like take off

53:26

with this like light out for the hill. You

53:28

know? And it was

53:31

so beautiful. Like it was really green because it had been

53:33

raining and there were like the windmills against the hillside. I

53:35

could see Mount Diablo in the distance and

53:38

I really understood like why people like fly once and

53:40

it just like takes hold of

53:42

their imagination. And so like they just made

53:44

everything else feel like kind of irrelevant all

53:46

this well. Who is going to really use

53:48

this? And like, what's the deal with

53:51

municipal landing? And IFR conditions. Like all

53:53

the sort of cerebral armature of

53:55

peace kind of just like disappears. And I

53:57

was just like, this is fucking cool as

53:59

hell. and I love this. And

54:02

you think that's what's probably driving most of

54:04

the people doing this? It's like, yeah, this

54:07

is certainly theoretically useful in all these ways,

54:09

but really it's like the

54:11

human desire to experience actual

54:14

flight. Yes, yes, definitely.

54:16

Yeah. And like, and because these are

54:18

all people who like, for the most part have like devoted their lives

54:20

to aviation and

54:23

they just want more people to be able to do it. And

54:25

like, even though that seemed like

54:27

at first I was like, yeah, yeah, whatever. Like if

54:29

people say cheesy stuff, like unlocking the third dimension or

54:31

whatever, but then I was just like so

54:34

caught up with all these arguments about how like, why

54:36

don't we just build trains and set and like, don't

54:38

get me wrong. These are good arguments. Like I sympathize

54:40

with that. But then also once I was in it,

54:42

I was like, I don't know, like this, this is

54:44

so cool. It makes

54:47

me so happy that there's like still an

54:49

experience where technology can communicate wonder. Oh,

54:52

absolutely. And also not just wonder, but

54:54

like an embodied wonder, like feeling like the machine

54:56

as like an extension of your, of your boss.

55:03

Gideon Lewis Krauss, he wrote a piece this week in

55:05

the New Yorker, a local magazine here

55:07

in the city with more about this experience

55:09

and video of his flight.

55:12

Go check it out. It's called Flying Cars

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