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Welcome into episode 120 everybody. We

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are fresh back from Southern California Linux Expo scale 21x.

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How are you feeling Chris? Are you good? Pretty good

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I didn't manage to get a tan, you know I

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go to California and I stay indoors all the time

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What about you you actually went out and about a

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bit you need to road trip through the desert I'll

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tell you that will turn your skin brown in no

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time at all. Did you have a

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good time? We had a great time. My my mother flew

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out from England met me in Los Angeles

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And we we did a little we did a little

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tour of Paramount Studios So we got to see whether

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like the film the Truman Show and Top Gun and

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a bunch of Star Trek stuff Next

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time you're in town I swear you have to go because

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Paramount's where they do all the Star Trek Yeah I should

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do it because I think they're gonna get sold off soon

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better sooner than later Tell you what and

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then we headed up through the through the Malibu

0:43

coast Pacific Coast Highway for a little bit saw some

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whales Off the coast. That was

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pretty cool. I've never seen a whale in the wild before My

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mum dipped her toe into the Pacific Ocean, which was the

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entire purpose of her visit good box

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checked indeed life box checked And

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so then for dinner we headed back to Venice

0:59

Beach grab some pizza sat and watch people in

1:01

the skate park You know if you've never been

1:03

there's this beautiful like concrete boardwalk thing Where

1:06

people are riding beach bikes and there's people

1:08

playing volleyball on the sand and muscle beaches

1:10

right there It's like honestly, it's out of

1:12

a Hollywood movie. I mean, it's literally right

1:14

next to Hollywood So perhaps that's not

1:16

a surprise but out of the corner

1:18

my eye I caught this little bright

1:20

spot in the sky and I'm like That

1:23

looks like a rocket Sure

1:25

enough. We caught a SpaceX launch quite

1:27

by accident from Venice Beach and oh

1:31

It was so exciting one of your

1:33

boxes checked. It sounds like so that's

1:35

pretty cool. Yeah, indeed Yeah,

1:37

we weren't close enough that I could feel the rocket

1:39

in my chest I mean, that's that's really what I

1:41

want is to hear the noise and viscerally feel it

1:44

But I'd also would have

1:46

loved it. So unfortunately the we saw the

1:48

separation Which was amazing. So

1:50

you see like the main engine cut off

1:52

and there's kind of like the rocket plume

1:54

stops For a few seconds. They do the

1:56

separation and then the second stage Is

1:59

it the first notes? must be the second stage, reignites

2:01

and the fairing separates. So you see like two or

2:03

three or four bits of space garbage

2:05

floating around up in the sky and then

2:08

there was this massive what they call like

2:10

jellyfish effect. If you've seen it on the

2:12

TV it basically looks like

2:15

a tutu or like a jellyfish.

2:17

Like a sky jellyfish. Yeah. As

2:19

this thing gets up into the

2:21

atmosphere and condenses a bunch of

2:24

atmospheric conditions into vapours I

2:26

guess. Super cool. I

2:28

didn't unfortunately see the first stage reignite.

2:30

I was watching the horizon so carefully

2:33

just to try and see. But I

2:35

guess the drone ship that it

2:37

landed on was way over the horizon

2:39

near the coast of Baja, Mexico

2:41

somewhere. But probably for your

2:43

protection. Probably. It

2:46

was amazing dude. If you've ever been in any doubt

2:48

as to whether watching a rocket launch from the ground

2:50

would make you go I am

2:52

just a tiny speck of a human. It

2:54

does. It's even from a hundred

2:56

miles away it was absolutely incredible. Those are

2:58

those good events. I had you know

3:01

Alex I would have 100% up

3:03

time on all my systems

3:05

if it weren't for the fact that I go on trips. Because

3:07

when I go on trips that's always

3:10

when something goes out. And of

3:12

course on my last day on the road there

3:14

was a power outage the night before at the studio.

3:18

And I guess there's just like a grid issue. And

3:20

the smart plugs that I have one of

3:22

my servers plugged into a default to off

3:25

which I have done intentionally because it's the

3:27

one out in the garage and sometimes there's

3:29

thermal conditions or whatnot. But

3:32

trying to figure out remotely when something's

3:34

down it didn't take

3:36

me too long. But it's like you really have

3:38

to go into like detective mode. Okay I can

3:41

ping this box. Okay so that means the router

3:43

is online the internet connections up I have power

3:45

and the LAN is online. Okay so now it's

3:47

just the servers down. Okay well let's go check

3:49

on the power situation you know. I

3:52

hate self hosting sometimes don't you. It's like

3:55

why does it always happen when I'm on the road.

3:57

Ivy I've been here for like 15 years in this place.

4:00

And it's only the last couple of years that we've

4:02

started to have these random just blips of power. Mm-hmm

4:05

And I think I have

4:07

the yeah I have the firewall and I

4:09

have the that I have the switch and

4:12

I have the Bitcoin though Those are all

4:14

on UPS is but that file server is

4:16

not on a UPS. There you go Well,

4:19

I bought something this week, which isn't in the

4:21

dock. So I'm gonna surprise you with this. It's

4:23

a unify PDU Pro and This

4:26

thing it's it's a it's basically a power strip

4:28

But it's a smart one and you can actually

4:30

it's got 15 different outlets on it as well

4:32

as for USB C outputs and

4:34

a network Jack so you can hook it into

4:36

your unified controller and then

4:39

you can feed the different like

4:41

each outlet You can read the power individually for

4:43

it. So I know that my service pulling a

4:45

hundred and two point three watts right now And

4:48

I'm actually starting to make decisions based

4:50

on data now about you know Like power

4:53

saving and going in power top and looking

4:55

at things and doing CPU governors and all

4:57

that kind of stuff because I've got the real-time data Really

5:00

nice thing about this PD pro is because

5:03

my unified controller is hosted locally I'm able

5:05

to pull it into home assistant. No problem

5:07

at all So I can do

5:09

graphs and stuff and dashboards in home assistant for

5:11

days. That's so funny. You say

5:13

that I was that's what I was gonna ask you

5:15

because You then also you get

5:18

home assistant That's just graphing the power

5:20

usage and I have also found that

5:22

as a handy way to kind of gauge How

5:25

hard the system is working if there's

5:27

little things I can tweak to reduce

5:29

energy usage Yeah, I did not expect

5:31

having a smart plug with power Data

5:34

feedback to home assistant be so handy in

5:36

a regular house I knew it was gonna

5:38

be useful in the RV because I'm always

5:40

looking you know for that draw But here

5:42

at the studio very very useful also useful

5:44

and I hope I hope other people have

5:46

tried this But like when I'm just trying

5:48

different laptops and things like that, you know

5:50

Trying different machines getting a sense of

5:52

what computers gonna cost most It's it's a very easy way

5:54

to just plug it in and let it run for a

5:56

bit and collect data It's nice and

5:59

it to be honest with you I don't mind that,

6:01

you know, maybe it's not the most accurately

6:03

calibrated thing in the world. Like

6:05

it's not going to win any science awards or anything

6:07

like that. Yeah, I suspect. Yeah. It's

6:10

a standard unit. So like everything I plug in in

6:12

my rack downstairs now goes through this

6:14

PDU. So I know that it's calibrated the same

6:16

as everything else. And I found that my open

6:18

sense box that I thought pulled about 10 or

6:20

15 watts, it's pulling 23. So

6:23

I'm going to fix that at some point. Ah,

6:26

you found it. Well, you know,

6:28

something that I know many of us are always

6:30

spending more and more power on is probably our

6:32

network attached storage. I mean, I

6:34

actually have two different systems here now, almost

6:36

going to be three that are just full

6:39

of disk all the time, essentially acting as

6:41

NASAs. There's a lot of ways to crack

6:43

that. And Alex, you're an OG fan

6:45

of Unraid. Yes, back in

6:47

the day when I was a grotty student

6:49

doing my computer science degree, I

6:51

got sucked into the Unraid vortex

6:54

pretty hard. I'm delighted to welcome Adam

6:56

Morales to the show who's their VP

6:58

of global support from Lime Technology to

7:00

talk about Unraid. Adam,

7:03

welcome to the show. It turns out you and I actually

7:05

go way, way back. We do

7:07

indeed. Back in the Meet

7:09

BSD days, I think it was seven

7:12

years ago, the first time I met

7:14

you, Alan Jude was there too, actually.

7:16

Meet BSD was a great event. I

7:18

actually really, I really am glad

7:20

I made it to that. And also it was one of

7:22

my first road trips in my RV, which was wild. Oh,

7:24

really? Oh, yeah. And I took the highway 101, which

7:28

is a very windy, crazy drive. Totally

7:30

new, didn't know what I was doing. Didn't

7:33

have any of my rig set up like I

7:35

have now, but it was for the technology, Adam.

7:38

And back then you worked at IAC

7:40

Systems. Is that right? Yeah, I actually,

7:43

just recently, I've been with Lime Technology

7:45

for about six months now. But

7:48

I was with IAC Systems for eight and

7:50

a half years. So Really

7:52

saw their growth. And So

7:54

now you're the VP of

7:56

global support over at Lime

7:58

Technology. Global Support. You're

8:00

probably supporting a lot of users are. I

8:02

am supporting all of our users in.

8:04

There are thousands of them, not just

8:06

English speakers as well, so that's been

8:08

an interesting. Challenge that we

8:11

continue to try and improve those communication

8:13

channels for non English speakers. We have

8:15

a lot of Chinese customers from a

8:18

China we as. Dutch

8:20

all over the Uk, all over

8:22

Europe, you name it, They.

8:24

Come in with Sas support questions and

8:26

are they all running unrated blind technology?

8:28

Force on rate. Are they on read

8:30

users to those are older? they're all

8:32

on road users. of one of the

8:34

do you need things that I. Have. Found

8:37

with line technology and on

8:39

rate is actually have globally

8:41

disperse it as from us

8:44

linguistic perspective both an documentation

8:46

and.india graphical user interface itself

8:48

so. Pretty interesting.

8:51

You know one of the things I

8:53

remember from my days with On Raid

8:55

at this was how I cut my

8:57

teeth on i'm Severing back in the

8:59

day was on rate so got real

9:01

soft spot for it was just how

9:03

powerful the community effect was. I'm I

9:05

don't know if he could put a

9:07

dollar amounts on an Aussie seaweed. About

9:09

the community support around On Raid for

9:11

folks. To just volunteer their

9:14

time was one of the real draws to

9:16

unread for me. So. One

9:18

of the really interesting things that I've

9:20

recognized since I joined my technology because

9:22

I've. I've. You know,

9:25

grew up in the industry under open

9:27

source? really? I existence. I

9:29

thoroughly was invested in that in

9:31

the open source aspects. And

9:34

one of the things with on

9:36

raid and line technology is that.

9:38

While. The product? is it completely open source?

9:40

We use a ton of open source. A.

9:43

Subsistence and whatnot within the

9:45

product. We are so. Community

9:47

driven. And. That's. Been.

9:50

Really something that I could get

9:52

behind. And moving from my existence

9:54

and it's always like gotta kind of

9:56

look at to your customer bases because

9:59

these are businesses. The end of the day. And

10:01

with Iraq systems it was. An.

10:04

Oppressed enterprise customers. and while we

10:06

have a very stat a very

10:09

strong community over on that side.

10:11

With. A lot of involvement. Who.

10:13

Are you gonna actually focus on when

10:15

you're developing the product? And

10:17

where's lime? Tech and unread? Joe

10:20

off the street who wants to run his

10:22

home server and build a home lab for

10:24

the first time? Or just pack up their

10:27

pictures or media files. That is the customer

10:29

base and. I don't know if it

10:31

was. By. Design or.

10:34

Just kind of organic. But we've been.

10:37

Completely community driven, Throughout.

10:39

The business over the years.

10:41

So since. Forever Since Forever.

10:43

Eighteen years Actually, so us.

10:46

Is it that long I miss? I actually

10:48

caught myself in a you to Believe the

10:51

other day saying or have just been installing

10:53

Cp using computers for the last decade and

10:55

then realized his property ever twenty years have

10:57

been building. Contrary to go, I'm getting older,

10:59

you go. So yeah it's It's really a

11:02

really unique situation here that I that I

11:04

really love, not only from the perspective of

11:06

listening to our customers, but as we've built

11:08

up the the company. The. Line

11:11

Server, Developers, and actually the lines of our

11:13

staff period are all from the community. How

11:15

is that changed? And because it was historically

11:17

the creation of Tom Right the Head Honcho

11:20

Tom, I know that he's got his daughter

11:22

involved. Now am I feel like line sick

11:24

as a company's going through an evolution right

11:26

now To speak to that little bit. We.

11:29

Just recently Chase or Licensing model. And.

11:32

Our pricing. And. Really,

11:34

the impetus behind that was that we want to

11:36

do more of the products. We. Wanna

11:38

be able to continue to listen to

11:41

our customers? And Mister Thompson is sustainable

11:43

as we grow. To. Do

11:45

lots of those cool things you

11:47

need: Resource Human resource developers. For.

11:50

That the previous existence of the company

11:52

it's always been a one time purchase.

11:55

Lifetime. T. And so

11:57

when you think about it from a business.

12:00

The fact of what does that mean. He. Means

12:02

that. You. Have to pump a lot

12:04

a resource and effort and. And. Time

12:06

into on boarding new customers so that

12:08

you can make your business continue. Eight.

12:11

So. What I'm very

12:13

excited about is that now. That.

12:15

We've made that change where we

12:17

have a new pricing model that

12:19

enables customers to renew their keys.

12:22

Renew their updates for the product.

12:24

It's really going to enable us

12:26

to focus on. Building. Out

12:28

more engineering resource for the company. So

12:30

so what kinds of things you gonna

12:32

be focusing on moving forward to have

12:34

a seat? Traditionally it's been very community

12:36

focused and stuff like the Gp pass

12:38

through. Are you a trail blazers with

12:40

that and Dhaka to docker support your

12:42

one of the first saw a Nas

12:44

projects to add support for that. What's

12:46

on the right Man I know I

12:49

did ask like what can I talk

12:51

about him have retired Ff some of

12:53

the things that we have on the

12:55

forecast. We. Don't have released dates

12:57

or versions for these but again it

12:59

it's all really spurred from listen to

13:01

community and so we're going have multiple

13:04

arise. That's the first big one that

13:06

people have been asking for for years.

13:09

You. Won't actually have to have. And

13:11

Henri to rate has remained swords pull

13:14

anymore. Basically. What Tom's

13:16

doing is she's making it such that. Rather,

13:18

An array and then pulls. Everything's.

13:21

Gonna be a full. You can have an

13:23

ungrateful. You can have the Cfs posed by

13:25

the. Beach. Rss for. etc.

13:28

That's going be one of the main points

13:30

of focus. Also. Leaning in

13:32

more heavily into the Gfs. I.

13:35

Technologies as well. Interesting.

13:37

to see a lot of demand for set

13:40

of s with folks with media libraries because

13:42

that the reason i ask is a historically

13:44

one of on rate killer features was the

13:46

fact you could support mismatched drives and just

13:48

oh my center about tries full of restoring

13:50

the twelve terabyte this month and that will

13:52

call it good right night of see parity

13:54

drives had to be the biggest ones but

13:56

and with an offensive as he is a

13:59

it's a little less flexible. Do you

14:01

see a different type of customer

14:03

using ZFS? Yes, so it

14:05

really depends is what I would say. I consider

14:08

myself kind of a lazy admin. And

14:11

I like my Z-pool just to be a big

14:13

pool of drives that I don't fuss with a

14:15

whole lot. So I like kind

14:17

of the logical structure of just using datasets and

14:19

Z-volts and such. So I'm sure

14:22

there's other people who are interested in using

14:24

this for their media sharing and

14:26

such who share that sort of mindset.

14:29

But for the most part, I think

14:31

it's going to hit disparate use cases

14:33

because the on-rate array is really pretty

14:36

ideal for media sharing at this point.

14:38

The ability to spin down drives so

14:41

you're not wasting energy

14:43

is a big one, especially today,

14:45

you know, with prices overseas. Also

14:48

the ability to just kind of dynamically fill

14:50

your drive. So if you want a specific

14:52

type of file on one drive, you can

14:54

do that. Your ability to expand

14:56

it just by throwing any size drive in

14:58

and expanding your storage pool.

15:00

So there's a lot of benefits to

15:02

that part of the

15:05

traditional on-rate array. ZFS I think is going

15:07

to be again from people who

15:09

want the performance aspects, maximum

15:11

performance, have these beefy servers. Trust me,

15:13

I've looked in our forums and in

15:16

our Discord channels. And I am amazed

15:18

with what people are running in their

15:20

home labs. It's hard

15:22

to even call them home labs. It is. So I

15:24

think there's going to be a benefit to these people

15:26

who are running 10 gig plus

15:28

networking in their homes and they want to

15:30

saturate that connection when they're moving things around.

15:33

People who want to edit media on

15:35

their servers directly, there's a big value

15:37

there as well. ZFS Yeah, crazy folks

15:40

like me doing

15:42

YouTube videos and Apple Mac storage

15:44

is expensive. So you think, well, I'll just edit

15:46

over the 10 gig network that I put in

15:48

and turns out that's also a rabbit

15:50

hole of performance that you have to chase for

15:53

a little while. But also

15:55

true, also true. But

15:57

It's doable. Absolutely. With with ZFS.

16:00

That's on the back end of that nuclear

16:02

I worked try. Actually, we sold. He.

16:04

Tons and tons of server said to customers

16:07

who are doing that sort of thing itself.

16:09

So what's the craziest thing that you've seen

16:11

someone do with on raid? The. Craziest

16:13

thing that I've seen somebody do

16:15

with Conrad actually I would say

16:17

is related to the Fs actually

16:20

in that they had. Sailed

16:22

I believe they had something like

16:24

a single read as. And.

16:26

It had. Thirty. Drives

16:28

in it. Something. Like that

16:31

thirty drives in a single viewed as a

16:33

sounds fine yeah ah yeah. what could go

16:35

wrong? Fucking are similar to Christmas. First trip

16:37

across the country in the ass. In

16:40

the Rv what could go wrong? it's

16:42

that's one of the crazy things that

16:44

I've seen people do and nixon matching

16:47

of file systems and all these different

16:49

aspects as the on their. Crazy

16:51

is an interesting word for it because I think

16:54

a lot of it's fun and I'm sick. A

16:56

lot of people do these things not necessarily for

16:58

like production, but for testing and learning purposes. So.

17:02

Here's a lot of fantastic opportunity for

17:04

learning in the product. Absolute see it

17:06

as like a gateway drug insert. Enterprise

17:08

technologies and open source technologies. I

17:11

can one hundred percent. Affirm

17:13

that assumption, I would not be signed this

17:15

chair with on right right now as wonderful.

17:19

Downscale. Dot Com/self hosted. go over

17:21

there to get one hundred devices for

17:23

free while your support and the show.

17:25

It's programmable networking that is private insecure

17:27

by default. Tell. Scale is the

17:29

easiest way to connect your devices and services

17:31

to each other. Where. Ever.

17:34

They are securely and pass like a

17:36

really fast and it's private. You're building

17:38

your own mesh network powered by the

17:41

Noise protocol which is what Wire Guard

17:43

uses. It's zero trust network built on

17:45

top of the wire guard protocol as

17:47

this so slick because it works across

17:50

devices and platforms, he could have it

17:52

on. your Vps is across multiple data

17:54

centers. Mobile. Devices: Your

17:57

desktop or laptop. even a

17:59

lot of appliances I'll tell you a

18:01

little bit about how I've been using it while I

18:03

travel recently. I bought myself one of those Elgato Stream

18:05

decks, and I have

18:07

Bitfocus running back at the Jupyter Broadcasting

18:09

Studio, and I have the Bitfocus

18:12

client running on my laptop. It

18:14

connects back to the Bitfocus server over tail

18:16

scale, and now I can

18:18

control all aspects of recording, stream

18:21

switching, starting the stream, stopping the stream,

18:23

even turning lights on, all of my

18:26

Home Assistant controls everything

18:28

in my stream deck, wherever I

18:30

am. It gets plugged into my

18:32

laptop, connects back over tail scale to the Bitfocus server,

18:34

and I'm controlling everything like I'm just sitting right here

18:37

at the desk. It's the

18:39

same exact control surface. Tail

18:41

scale has made my work just so much

18:43

more straightforward, because in the past, I was

18:45

behind double carrier grade NATs at home, which

18:48

meant I really couldn't do much as far

18:50

as hosting at home, and I really couldn't

18:52

get to my stuff without doing all kinds

18:54

of wackadoodle things, and then tail scale came

18:57

along and just smoothed it all out. I

18:59

have it running on my Raspberry Pi, I

19:01

have it running on my X86 box, it's

19:03

my iPhone, my Pixel 7, even

19:05

my Home Assistant box. It's really nice, because

19:07

what ends up happening is individual servers

19:10

and applications are all on my tail

19:12

net, available to whoever I want to

19:14

share with, or anybody that I bring

19:16

in in my business, because Jupyter Broadcasting

19:18

has a corporate business account where we

19:20

can have multiple users on the tail

19:22

net, it uses our existing authentication infrastructure,

19:24

our two factor, all of that.

19:27

It's zero trust access that every

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20:52

Alex, you've been teasing me this week with a little

20:55

bit of research that you've been doing on VPSs. And

20:57

I have a feeling the topic's been on your mind

20:59

recently. Yeah, so you know what it was? I was

21:01

coming back from California and I ran a LiteG instance

21:03

on my Linode box right now. And I think I've

21:06

been using the $10, one

21:08

CPU, two gig of RAM size for the

21:10

last several years. And for whatever

21:13

reason, these pictures that I took in Death Valley

21:15

on this last trip, there's only about a dozen

21:17

or two, and it wasn't a crazy big number

21:19

of pictures being uploaded. It just

21:21

caused LiteG to lose its mind going out of memory

21:23

errors. And so this was just before I was getting

21:25

on the plane coming back and I wanted to show

21:27

Catherine some pictures. Oh. So

21:29

I resized the instance to be the four gig and

21:31

two CPU size, which is like $25, $24

21:35

a month or something, which is just for

21:37

some reason, it's tipped over in my head now

21:39

to be like, that's expensive. Maybe

21:41

there's something else. $10

21:43

or $15, I'm like, fine, whatever.

21:46

But now it's at $25, for some reason, my

21:49

brain's gone, nope, it's too expensive. You need to

21:51

cut costs. And I started looking around and

21:54

came across a bunch of really interesting resources. So we'll just do

21:56

a little bit of a quick fire round through some of them.

21:58

I was looking to start with... with for a VPS,

22:01

a traditional virtual private server. So this

22:03

is a VM on someone

22:05

else's hardware that you do not have root

22:07

access to the hypervisor or

22:09

you can't install your own operating system on

22:11

the hypervisor, you've literally got a VM at

22:13

your disposal. Some of these cloud providers

22:16

do let you load custom images, but it's

22:18

still ostensibly a virtual machine. You

22:20

don't have direct access to the metal. And

22:23

I came across Hetzner, it's not a new name

22:25

to any of us, I don't think. There was

22:27

some who, how, with them and Plex a little

22:29

while getting people evicted on some of their dedicated

22:31

boxes. But specifically, I found

22:33

that they have a, what's

22:35

called a CPX31 spec, which has four

22:38

virtual CPUs, eight gigs of RAM and

22:40

160 gigs of SSD storage for

22:45

13 euros per month.

22:47

Okay, well, compared to what, are you paying like 25 right

22:49

now, something like that? Yeah, well, dollars, I mean, euros

22:51

to dollars, it's about one to one these days, isn't

22:54

it? I'm not sure, but it's close

22:56

enough that it would make me take a

22:58

double take, so that's an eight gigs

23:00

of RAM, you got four gigs of RAM, so it's nicer

23:03

for about half. Just gives me headroom, I

23:05

mean, if I'm on holiday and I want

23:07

to upload some pictures, and I don't have

23:09

to log into my Linode and resize my

23:11

VPS, then that's worth saving some

23:13

money for, and moving them to their first data

23:15

sets across and all that kind of stuff. And

23:17

they have rigs available in the States? They do,

23:19

I didn't know this, but their dedicated business, which

23:21

is, they have a bunch of on-premise

23:23

bare metal that you can rent, and that

23:25

is called their dedicated business. That's

23:28

only available in Germany and Finland. But

23:30

they have a cloud, they call it Hetzen, a cloud,

23:33

and they've got some stuff in Europe too,

23:35

but they also have a data center in

23:37

Ashburn in Virginia, as well as one in

23:39

Oregon. So my question to you

23:41

then, I mean, around, so say it's around, let's

23:43

just make it easy and say it's $15 a

23:46

month, because maybe like the backup, if you want a backup or

23:48

something. Well, you got a pretty

23:50

good internet connection, why not just run

23:53

a rig at your house, be

23:55

on tail scale with your good internet connection,

23:58

because that's probably more than you. spend

24:00

on the electricity per month? It is. A

24:03

very good answer for you there is

24:05

first of all my internet with spectrum

24:07

only has 30 meg upload and

24:10

it's on cable so the ping times are

24:12

horrendous. Okay I was thinking maybe it was

24:14

yeah that's pretty bad I thought for some

24:16

reason it was 300. And you know I'm

24:18

not a data center as you've seen on YouTube lately

24:21

I like to get onto my basement

24:23

on a Friday night and just pull servers out

24:25

the rack for fun. Ah. And the last thing

24:27

I want is for my blog and perfect media

24:29

server and the half a dozen other websites that

24:31

I host to be down because I'm farting around

24:33

in my basement you know. Yeah okay I

24:35

see yeah that is kind of nice for some of those

24:37

services to be externalized and then yeah you can the home

24:39

lab stays a home lab especially

24:41

for things like perfect media server that I think that

24:43

I got you. Okay all right you've

24:46

convinced me that the VPS is the right choice. So

24:48

this let me down the rabbit hole of

24:50

looking at those what I call dedicated servers

24:53

which are ways for you to access the

24:55

bare metal of specific pieces of hardware in

24:57

remote data centers. Yeah buddy. This is like

24:59

a step down from a colo and a

25:01

good deal cheaper than a colo too. So

25:04

I rented today a 30 euro

25:07

box from Hetzer. Do you want to take a

25:09

guess at the specs of this thing? Oh I

25:11

don't I mean and you're on the bare metal.

25:13

I'm gonna guess it's an Intel box is it Intel

25:15

or is AMD? This particular one I got

25:18

was an Intel box. Okay 13th gen 13500 CPU. Oh

25:20

okay 32 gigs of

25:26

RAM? Guess again. 64 gigs

25:28

of RAM? Nice! Yeah

25:30

yeah yeah and remind me the price

25:32

one more time you said? This is 32 euros a month.

25:34

Okay I'm already impressed. Yeah i5 13500 64 gigs of RAM

25:37

2 512 gig NVMe Gen 4 SSDs and you get a

25:45

gigabit of guaranteed

25:47

bandwidth. Okay and

25:50

it's in the States? No that's that's

25:52

all right okay that's the catch with

25:54

Hetzer dedicated. Yes it's only in Germany

25:56

and Finland. Okay how's the ping times

25:58

and all that? Oh

26:01

yeah, it's 150 milliseconds. So when I'm

26:03

when I'm typing on the terminal in

26:05

SSH I'm pressing my arrow

26:08

keys to go back on forward some characters and

26:10

I'm skipping characters and jumplays It's

26:12

just enough to mess with me that I

26:14

think this isn't tenable. You're gonna well try

26:16

mosh, you know load mosh And see if that helps.

26:18

Yeah, you're right. I should probably try mosh. Yeah,

26:21

but that that is a little rough But

26:24

if you're mostly using it for processing

26:26

and storage And you're not and you're

26:28

only only gonna be interacting with it when you're setting up and

26:30

then after that you're not really interacting with It very much. Maybe

26:32

it's okay. Maybe now I

26:34

will say that the process of installing Proxmox on

26:37

a Hetzena dedicated system is not for the faint

26:39

of heart To start with you

26:41

have to boot into what's called a rescue system

26:43

Which is like a custom version of Debian that

26:45

they boot these systems into then

26:47

you drop to your QEMU system Virtual

26:50

machine on the command line, which is super cool

26:53

and you mount the devices the NVMe devices into the VM

26:55

that way with a nick and all the rest of it

26:57

and Enable VMC on that

26:59

QEMU system. Sure, right Then you can

27:01

load your ISO and do what you

27:04

normally do in a store operand operating

27:06

system as you normally would But

27:08

is it being installed inside QEMU? Yes,

27:11

so that's mark is running inside QEMU Yes, which

27:13

means that whenever it tries to be clever and

27:15

work out what its IP address is going to

27:17

be It gets an IP

27:19

address as if it's a virtual machine Which means

27:21

you then need to reboot the

27:23

machine you image you've just installed and

27:25

fix the networking before you reboot the

27:27

actual box and

27:29

it it's a proper

27:32

charoutes like mind Melting

27:34

exercise of which context

27:36

am I in right now? Right So

27:39

anyway You spend a lot of time futzing around

27:42

with IP tables and firewall rules and IP addresses

27:44

and create because you have to create your DHCP

27:46

server for the VMs because of course you're just

27:48

one box on an island in a data center

27:50

You can't just expect to get a random IP

27:52

address without paying for it. So,

27:54

you know, it's it's it's functional

27:57

You can make it work, but you

27:59

probably know to have your wits about

28:01

you to make it work. Anything

28:04

approaching less than an

28:06

entire weekend. Does it kind of make you wish

28:08

maybe you could just get like an actual colo

28:11

and just rack me on a box? Yes.

28:13

That epic box that I've got would be

28:15

perfect in a colo. I

28:17

saw a video from Techno Tim a couple of weeks

28:20

ago where he has coloed one of

28:22

his boxes. His ISP from

28:24

his apartment connects the fiber in

28:26

his building, connects straight to that data center that

28:28

so he showed pings

28:30

over the internet of sub one

28:32

millisecond to a data center. Oh,

28:35

that's the life. Yeah, I've

28:38

known a couple of instances where that's been the

28:40

case and it would be sweet. That's where I've

28:42

actually been wondering if maybe JB should go in

28:44

the future. Yeah, I think so. I mean, if

28:47

you look at, I think most colos tend to

28:49

rent sort of by the 10 or 20 U

28:52

units or you rent an entire rack for

28:54

several thousand dollars a month, which is right.

28:56

Honestly for us and JB is probably a

28:58

bit out of our range, but if

29:01

you are in the audience and you have access to a

29:03

data center and want to

29:05

hook us up with some, I'm not saying for

29:07

free, we'll pay for it, but like your mates

29:09

rates, right? We would love

29:11

to do that as content and sort of

29:13

walk people through the pitfalls of colo. Somebody

29:15

ought to send us out to their data

29:17

center. We could do a whole thing. Yeah.

29:19

Yeah. I mean, maybe that's going too

29:21

far, but I would be down to talk. I would

29:23

be down to talk to somebody because we

29:26

got a lot of infrastructure. Now,

29:28

a couple of other things on the

29:30

VPS and dedicated private server things before

29:32

we move on. lowendtalk.com came

29:34

up several times in my research and

29:36

this is a website that lets you

29:38

compare smaller providers. So I kind

29:41

of get the impression that these are people who

29:43

have rented an entire rack in a data center

29:45

and are reselling a few U of rack space

29:48

just to maybe fill out the last few U

29:50

of their, of their colo space or something like

29:52

that. I also came across Vulture

29:55

whilst I was doing my research this week

29:57

and They had a bit of a terms.

30:00

Oop See, I know they've gone on record

30:02

now and said that they're going to reverse

30:04

the policy, but just just get this wedding.

30:07

Vulture. Decided it would be

30:09

a good idea to answer

30:11

that time to service the

30:13

following phrase: You hereby grant

30:15

to Vulture a non exclusive

30:18

perpetual irrevocable royalty free fully

30:20

paid up worldwide license. Decades.

30:23

Including the right to supplies and

30:25

through multiple to his best. it's

30:27

to use reproduce, process adapts publicly

30:29

perform publicly display, modify prepared derivatives,

30:32

works published, transmit and distribute each

30:34

of your users car, blah blah

30:36

blah. You get the idea. He

30:38

as bad. As. Really bad.

30:41

How that actually made it in? There

30:43

are are lawyers are just overambitious. Ah,

30:46

if he asked me, it was a

30:48

land grab for an Ai related reason

30:50

and a boilerplate to try and get

30:52

user generated content given to them for

30:54

free. But. And. They got

30:56

caught with their pants down. I like that

30:58

bacon. I think that's probably exactly what it

31:01

was intended to be. A high content farm

31:03

your content. Yeah, that's always kind of something

31:05

you gotta watch out for. Very. Fascinating.

31:07

I guess I'm I buy to know how it

31:09

ends up going on the of everything set up

31:11

if you stick with it up a link in

31:13

the show, notes to a couple of other props,

31:15

much related goodies that came out this week or

31:18

a side trip to cross map not for the

31:20

first time this proc smokes help a script by

31:22

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31:24

seats. got the. Enterprise subscription

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repos enabled and and so the shouts at you

31:28

about it and ask me for the longest time

31:30

put me off proximal to the projects I thought

31:32

you had to pay for adding red eyes. you

31:34

could just disable that stuff. At

31:36

you can also import i'm a system as a

31:39

Vm in there and it as a bunch of

31:41

other really cool stuff to be linked to it

31:43

in the show notes and also. I

31:45

was pleased to see that Proximal as

31:47

a project this week off capitalizing on

31:50

the disaster that is Vm were at

31:52

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31:54

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a new channel this week because.

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33:59

Why not? Linked to the top of the So Yeah? Yeah

34:01

yeah. Well.

34:03

I should step didn't last week or last

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episode so he did. As you're saying, it

34:08

was like oh I know oh he must

34:10

know better by now here I thought I'd

34:12

have are vulnerable moment in the audience when

34:15

I heard I heard about. so I mentioned

34:17

that I was a little frustrated with image.

34:19

Because. The breaking changes have been very hard to

34:21

keep up with recently. Not. That

34:23

it's really their fault. It's my fault because I know

34:26

that's the status of the project and so I thought

34:28

maybe I was going to be done with it. Ah,

34:30

Just until this kind of you know, more

34:32

stabilized and again, not their problem. My problem.

34:35

By. The I insist wasn't have an it,

34:37

they just were not have an aunt and

34:39

so I decided one Saturday when the kids

34:41

were run around. I.

34:43

Saw let's see and I. I got in

34:45

there and I did all but a research

34:48

and the breaking changes and it was nothing

34:50

very major at all. I

34:52

What I did is I wiped out

34:54

the docker Compose file and I started

34:56

with the brand new Fresh Docker Compose

34:58

file and modify the environment piled to

35:00

just reflect a few small changes as

35:02

it needed. For. Are you know that

35:04

The new updates. And. Then I just. Did.

35:07

The old pole and up the enough

35:09

and damn. It. Works I'm getting a

35:11

lot of errors in my logs right now.

35:14

Constantly. Ah, But.

35:17

It. Works like a champ. All my my account

35:19

information remained all of my face data at

35:21

all. My stuff of Skyn also works and

35:23

I'm on the latest version so when run

35:25

update on the clients and I have to

35:27

say there's nice so small updates in the

35:29

mobile client. And. I.

35:32

Don't think I have to relaunch the I

35:34

O S one very often anymore. It seems

35:36

to be very consistently uploading my photos now,

35:38

which is really nice to see on I

35:40

was much more so than the next cloud

35:43

yeah, whatever. whatever as images doing next, God

35:45

said copy that healthier for that apps and

35:47

then of course it works. Really solid on

35:49

my pixel seven. And. It's run on my

35:51

old red still. And. I am not

35:53

really taking advantage of any of the

35:56

hardware acceleration which did make it any

35:58

easier. Upgrade. However, I

36:00

think I would be interested in the future if

36:02

I started adding my wife's photos. Via.

36:04

The combination of both our fathers the think I probably would

36:07

be interested that point in going to hardware acceleration to the

36:09

next time you decide to tell the audience you can upgrade

36:11

for t he going to think twice or any. The.

36:13

Iowa is a nervous or maybe I'll just

36:15

actually try the upgrade before I moan about.

36:18

Maybe that's what I should have done. Hate

36:20

people and we run a road trip It

36:22

we were travelling we were we were and

36:24

I was feeling bad because I was taken

36:26

pictures and I might as well at a

36:28

day and like a very temporary states I

36:30

was very much feeling in at that moment.

36:32

But. Then I got home and okay, let's do

36:34

this as it's. Speak. In

36:36

a doing this we had some folks boost

36:39

in. Ah miss any tech. Six Six Six

36:41

came in with sixty thousand sad season boller

36:43

this week I g rated. I wanted to

36:45

show my husband's favorite podcast some love. Thank

36:47

you. For. Hosting and giving

36:49

him a community. I. Believe

36:51

is deployed as well so I think you might be in

36:53

the discord which pretty me. I. I said

36:55

this one's my wife with a or that puffin

36:57

my chest was a of the my sensory thanks

36:59

for sending them in. It is

37:02

no Jos also came and fifty thousand

37:04

sad sack kabbalah. Ah, from the

37:06

index and they right. I really enjoy the shows. Got

37:08

several things run into my home lab. Or

37:10

but I'm looking to make an upgrade to

37:13

my back up in storage solution. Alex's current

37:15

upgrade really makes me want to go with

37:17

an Epic built as well. One.

37:19

Suggestion though for X M P P I use

37:21

it to send notifications from homelessness and to my

37:23

phone. When. I can't or don't

37:25

want use Tesco. Out. For debating you

37:28

guys had Texas one accessed Awesome Yeah

37:30

Texas I expressed his is creeping up

37:32

real fast. Ah yes the epic build

37:34

a mean it really depends on what

37:36

your Cp your needs are, if if

37:38

you could have really process a heavy

37:40

workload or. You. Just need one hundred

37:42

and twenty eight Pc I lanes. Go.

37:45

For it. Otherwise, you might be just as

37:47

well served by going for a farce consumer

37:49

chip in a. Yemeni. To

37:51

get a key to get like a gaming

37:53

motherboard if you want to, I suppose. I've

37:56

got at the plans to upgrade my media

37:58

server as well. On the time behind me,

38:00

I've got a super might gray motherboard x

38:02

thirteen something or other into our an Intel

38:05

I five. Was it Thirteen? Six

38:07

hundred? K? I think. I just can't get enough

38:09

of Harbor at the minutes. After

38:13

I were lou vicariously through you so. He

38:16

said i guess and I guess but yeah really

38:18

A really does depend on what your needs are

38:20

an area as I say ounces them and the

38:22

listener the are it depends but it with hardware

38:24

it's in your need us and I hope that

38:26

helps else What to say Thank you for the

38:28

mention about the X M P P. I

38:31

am slowly low key building a list

38:33

of reasons why any to next Mpp

38:35

server. And. I just as that to

38:37

the list. Tarp. Came in with

38:39

forty four thousand, four hundred and forty four

38:41

sets using Pod Various and they right! I

38:43

started to look into Sas as I was

38:45

thinking it would allow me to pool cloud

38:48

object storage into a logical pool. I

38:50

was incorrect and it is a way

38:53

to pool block storage into logical object

38:55

storage. I. Don't have the storage to

38:57

use for but. Do. You see this as

38:59

a value in homeless if you need to

39:01

learn. safe for work. And yeah, I guess

39:03

so. I've avoided it thus far and I

39:05

don't feel like I'm missing out on a

39:08

whole bunch of got four or five different

39:10

servers were at at one point I had

39:12

four five different servers in my proximate cause

39:14

to locally here. And I

39:16

ended up sitting somber analysis and those, honestly.

39:19

Did did. The trick for most

39:21

things I feel like Seth is

39:23

just have a. Beast. Of

39:25

complicated. Sinking real

39:27

time reputation. I just. I'm

39:30

not omega I am scared of it. Well he I

39:32

would cause I would you say no is get going

39:34

to played your home lab if you need to learn

39:36

it for work but otherwise it may be more than

39:39

a home lab really requires. I

39:42

think that's probably pretty sensible than a Zola.

39:44

Ninety Four comes in with twenty seven thousand

39:46

Sats. That's a good one as as hey

39:48

guys, I got into self hosting a little

39:50

under a year ago with a raspberry pi

39:52

for. Which. Is awesome. Since.

39:54

Then I've custom built a server that I now

39:56

have hanging in my Mac room. maybe Texan. Total

39:59

cost for the bill. With. A

40:01

twenty terabyte hard drive was two thousand

40:03

dollars canadian. Okay, I also

40:05

wanted to recommend Doc Edge D O

40:07

Sea Kg. Made. By the creator of

40:09

Uptime Coma. It has made my

40:11

manager my docker containers a breeze or

40:13

puddle to and the know. This is

40:16

one of those words I wish someone

40:18

would actually were right. a real pronunciation

40:20

of somewhere stock G E how minute

40:23

dockets is. Is our space that.yeah Maybe

40:25

are talking yeah, yeah, maybe set. As

40:27

I don't I tell stories I try

40:30

to generate Doc Age a project is

40:32

pretty interesting. It's a fancy, easy to

40:34

use and reactive self hosted docker compose

40:37

stack oriented contain a manager, Cysts.

40:39

What that means in plain English is he

40:42

couldn't manage your compose files through the web

40:44

you I asked as an interactive etti of

40:46

editor for composer for you Have a struggle

40:48

with the ammo indentations and that kind of

40:51

thing. This might be of use for you

40:53

at will. Also convert docker run commands into

40:55

docker compose an eye Some people. Need

40:57

that and if you do than the still does it

40:59

for you. Okay, That's

41:02

all pretty fancy espouse the so many ways to

41:04

crack that A great. Attitude: Author vs.

41:06

Co This anyways but thank you for that

41:08

doc. It's. Anonymous

41:10

comes in with a row, make ducks, twenty

41:12

two thousand, two hundred and twenty two sets

41:14

and they write. Speaking of acceptable costs for

41:16

Newser Rebelled, I have been wondering what you

41:18

are think is acceptable cost. I.

41:20

Just built a new home server for just

41:23

under a hundred dollars if exclude the spinning

41:25

rust. I. Used and I Five

41:27

ten five hundred. From. A bag with

41:29

an Ama Say motherboard was sixty. four gigs of

41:31

ram. And. I'm starting to play with

41:33

pockmarks all house and a gorgeous fractal design

41:35

are five case it can take to as

41:37

Estes. And. Eight, three point five

41:39

and tries. Before I have to start worrying

41:42

about using the to side with space, Alex

41:44

has put it in the showcase on their

41:46

to discard. I agree. Put. It

41:48

in the districts are the problem. I've got

41:50

his you guys got me no interest in

41:53

local L and so I'm boosting because I'm

41:55

looking for recommendations I needed Gp you that

41:57

I can get started with that is affordable.

42:00

Doesn't. Double the value for a

42:02

server with doesn't drive me crazy was

42:04

low speeds. I'm not interested in gaming

42:06

if that makes a difference. When the

42:08

one I bought was in video a

42:11

four thousand that was about eight hundred

42:13

dollars used. I think that might be

42:15

doubling the value of your server though.

42:17

So and it is nice because he

42:19

only needs one six pin Pc a

42:21

connector and. Is. Sarah think it

42:23

pulls a gun hundred and forty watts give

42:25

or take so pull some from the socket

42:27

obviously as well as some from the six

42:29

pin and video. Do make another one called

42:32

the a two thousand which is about half

42:34

that price. about four hundred dollars which might

42:36

be worth a look. flee. Soon.

42:39

I would have to wonder. If.

42:42

I guess you have to use Mac o s but

42:44

to I'd have to wonder if the by a Macbook

42:46

air you could buy a Mac both at those prices

42:48

are wonder if the projects would be relatively so. I

42:51

guess it would be nearly as fast as the invidious is

42:53

that that price point going on was by an entire computer.

42:55

I was thinking like have. Enough to.

42:57

Make that the server. But in the funny,

43:00

and we've normalized one component of a computer

43:02

costing more than the computer use to. Yeah,

43:04

but I think even the neural engines when be as

43:06

fast as those in video card so. Probably.

43:09

Not the route to go. Out to give

43:11

couple shutouts. we get ten thousand sounds from center

43:13

Zehner ala I guess. Ah who wanted to just

43:15

grabbed I'm sad to say hello for the first

43:17

time. So shadow to use and zilla that I

43:20

got it. Thank you for taking that first tight.

43:22

They also got ten thousand, one hundred, ninety one Sats

43:24

from Jordan. Bravo! Who. Says his own servers. tender

43:26

age Katrina. Hundred and Fifty and Two Hundred dollars. So

43:28

there it is on the other lives back yard and

43:30

we're going to need some details on that. Been. Granted

43:33

some data, it's interesting. Forty

43:35

Ninety Six sets from adversaries. Twenty One

43:37

Hundred Dollars is their budget because they

43:39

got tired a using old Enterprise boxes

43:41

from work. As the now they have

43:43

an epic H L Fifteen based system

43:45

jail. Nice. And then at

43:47

one eleven o, nine cent and ten thousand sad

43:50

as a home lab or for twenty five years

43:52

they've now off to go says phonology. Though.

43:54

Listening to was. A for

43:57

I am proud much they now I'm next

43:59

O s maybe? Makes us on this analogy.

44:01

I pay the see that yeah I've been ages since

44:03

her thesis. a big everybody who boosted and we can't

44:05

sit all of them for time by all of the

44:07

boosie will be linked to the soon as a didn't

44:09

make it in the show in our boost barn. We.

44:12

Had ten boosters this weekend. Step two hundred

44:14

and thirty two thousand, Eight hundred, sixty three

44:16

sets. Think. Everybody helps produce this episode

44:18

with a boost. Some of those boots recently

44:20

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Harbor failure in studio. So. Really really

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44:33

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44:35

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44:37

around Texas. Linux fastest gonna be

44:39

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the Saturday evening Co sponsored ways

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Tesco and Code A. Coda.

44:46

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44:48

of our Missouri scale. We spoke to them.

44:50

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all of those Details are right. that sounds

44:54

really fun. Yeah can say hi tech this

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linux fast and on linux as northwest as

44:58

a little but after that and you can

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find me I'm trying out Nostril of you

45:03

wanna try it out, Come say hi. I'm

45:05

Chris Las and link it to my. And

45:08

pub. As we say or they don't, you

45:10

have some kind of a livestream I must are coming

45:12

up soon. Yeah, it'll be kind of like after or

45:14

what we the day this comes up. I

45:17

would we may posted somewhere but ah yes

45:19

were in a do an Oscar workshop which

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is also on the meta page. Good what

45:23

I said the thing everybody as usual you

45:25

gotta Alex.katie said.me to find where I am

45:27

on these her into apps that was supposed

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to talk shows last one twenty.