On episode five of Shame, I’m talking to noted US TV producers Rob Rosen and Desma Simon, the creators of a podcast I’ve been gripped by these last few months. It’s called Cancelled and I think it, and the podcast you’re here to listen to, share a great deal in common.

The reality of being cancelled is shame at the deep end. In my mind, it’s weaponsized shame, and while the more socially progressive among us might perform all sorts of mental gymnastics in attempting to reframe cancel culture as consequence culture… well, I’m not sure I’m buying that really. I’ve seen too many people destroyed by cancellation, and I’m not sure these people’s removal from public life has resulted in anything but more suffering and more thirst for retribution. Certainly not learnings, healing and opportunities to correct wrong doings. On this episode me, Rob and Desma have a feisty conversation about the nuances of cancellation. Please do go into this episode with an open mind.

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