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Mugen, part three. We're on

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this epic journey now. We've

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gone through expert

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in armed robberies, heists in

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Liverpool. Top

0:43

of his game as a butler in

0:45

Hollywood for the biggest names in the

0:47

universe. That's the

0:49

bit where we're at right now. We

0:53

just ended up where, you

0:55

know, Terry's been kicking it with Muhammad Ali in the

0:57

gym. He

1:02

was the butler for Frederick Wiseman was where we

1:04

left off in Beverly Hills. The guy just bought

1:07

a hundred million dollar painting.

1:09

Picasso. Picasso. What was it? Yeah.

1:12

I love Picasso. Which one was it? Mother and

1:14

Child. Mother and Child. Before

1:18

that, you're a butler for Merv Griffin and

1:20

for Clint E. Stutt. All

1:24

right. So yeah, you're going to now meet

1:27

the owners of the Kahala Hilton.

1:30

Yes. Go for it. So after we

1:32

left, we'd left Wiseman's.

1:34

I mean, next venture was obviously I got

1:38

a call from the International Agency. I'm

1:40

very placeable. From

1:43

my experiences, this particular

1:45

home was in

1:49

a place called Truesdale Estates, where

1:52

Richard Nixon, the former president, had

1:54

done a deal with the land

1:56

developers and all the movie stars moved

1:58

in here like the deal. Martin and

2:01

there's a lot of them in there. And

2:05

this home was the

2:07

former home of Elvis Presley and

2:11

I was assigned to the house to

2:13

be interviewed by the secretary. Mr. Weinberg

2:17

was absent. He was in, he owned

2:20

half of Hawaii and

2:22

he was the owner of the Cara

2:25

Hala Hilton in Hawaii where Ronald Reagan,

2:28

Princess Diane, that's where the abode would

2:31

be when they stayed in Hawaii. And

2:37

that's who they were. So this

2:39

home was nested in

2:41

the hills of Truesdale Estates. I

2:45

arrived early in the morning and

2:47

I'm getting interviewed by the secretary. What

2:52

the job came consisted of was a

2:55

major dormo. A

2:57

major dormo is a man that

2:59

is above a butler and he

3:01

takes care of the chef and the whole house and

3:04

he has to be in tip-top shape. He

3:07

has the responsibilities of the butler,

3:09

the chef, the maids, everything.

3:11

I thought it

3:13

was very unusual that I hadn't met Mrs.

3:16

Weinberg on the interview and

3:20

it was a difficult home. I

3:22

didn't know who'd been there before and

3:25

now later on in my life I know why they

3:27

probably couldn't have lasted. Anyway,

3:33

they proposed to give me the job and

3:35

I took it. Everything to me was

3:37

a challenge. I

3:40

would just go straight in and blast

3:42

them and okay, I'll do it. And

3:45

I moved

3:47

in and

3:51

my house

3:54

where I lived was next

3:56

to the garage. bedroom

4:00

house but it had drained the garage.

4:03

The butler was down the lane

4:05

from me, well down the aisle and

4:09

then you had

4:11

the chef, we put him on the grounds in

4:13

the pool house. I did him a favour.

4:15

He came from the Four Seasons and I

4:17

did him a favour by giving him the job. So

4:20

it starts and we're running the home

4:24

and the next

4:26

day I got introduced to

4:30

meet Mrs. Weinberg. The

4:32

house was very unusual. When

4:35

I walked down the corridor it was like it was

4:39

out of the movie The Shining and

4:42

all these lamps on the side,

4:44

little chandeliers and it was

4:46

dim at night and very weary and

4:49

at the end of the corridor was

4:51

this massive brown doors and

4:56

anyway I got taken into them and

4:58

there she was sitting in the bed in the

5:01

corner, this massive beautiful

5:03

room that you wouldn't even know

5:06

was there and she was

5:09

sitting upright and

5:13

she had pale skin, she

5:16

had red hair and a

5:18

violet nightgown on and

5:22

I thought it was something out of a movie and

5:25

the first thing she goes, hello are you

5:27

the butler, are you the major

5:29

domo and I went hello Mrs.

5:32

Weinberg, how are you and

5:35

she went you've had too much

5:37

fucking son because I was

5:39

over you know at the beach and that on my days off, you've

5:43

had too much fucking son and I'm

5:45

looking at her going oh my god. Next

5:47

thing I started talking to her

5:50

getting to know her a little bit and she

5:52

goes how's that fucking chef, what's

5:56

he like? I said he's brilliant, he

5:58

said he come from the Four Seasons. and she

6:00

went, you're not as good as our chef's up

6:03

at Cahalla Hilton in Hawaii. Oh

6:07

my god. Anyway,

6:09

settle down and

6:12

what you do, she'd come out at night. The

6:15

job was easy, we were doing like all the

6:17

silver. We had the butler's pantry and

6:20

my objective was the Rolls Royce to

6:23

clean it and take it for the drive to

6:25

get out of the house. So

6:28

the butler was nice, the chef was nice and he'd come

6:30

up with all these dishes but she didn't like it. She

6:34

never liked his food and she

6:36

picked on him and I

6:38

was thinking there's something wrong here in the house and then

6:41

the other butler, they'd be near

6:43

the wild, they were from Dublin, the

6:46

lovely people and

6:48

they used to give

6:50

me innuendos and go, you know, she's

6:52

crazy. So we'd get

6:55

into it and after a

6:57

few weeks she was nice and I was calming

6:59

her down and the

7:02

work was like, you know, you had to polish

7:04

these floors and

7:06

the silver. They had silver from Ascot here,

7:09

the Ascot cup they had, the horse

7:11

racing and it had to be

7:13

cleaned every week and we had special

7:16

polish to clean it with

7:18

white gloves and then sometimes

7:20

we'd have these dinner parties at night in

7:23

a big round table and you had to save them

7:25

in white clubs and we'd

7:27

be in the kitchen and the bell would go,

7:29

did you have a bell? She'd have a bell. We

7:32

want this, we want that, bring us this,

7:34

bring us that and the chef was doing

7:36

a good job. I

7:38

thought this is funny this, this is

7:40

just my sense of humour from Liverpool. I used to

7:42

just go, this is brilliant but I was

7:44

laughing at them all and

7:47

then all of a sudden, boom,

7:51

one morning I

7:55

wake up at four in the morning and

7:58

there's smoke coming. down

8:01

the corridor. I'm

8:04

going what the hell is that? I had

8:07

to smell it so I got

8:10

up and I could hear the

8:12

rumbling of the car

8:14

in the garage and I thought someone

8:16

is stealing it someone stealing

8:18

the car and I thought

8:20

to myself well hang on a

8:22

minute I'll go out the front of the house and I'll

8:25

go down the back and I had a key and put

8:27

a key in the garage and I opened it and all

8:29

the smoke hit me. The

8:31

smoke hits me and I go

8:33

what's this? The car is on fire and I

8:35

think it's got a short in the back of

8:37

these something like that. Next thing

8:39

I looked and

8:42

I looked down at the car and I seen

8:44

the bottom of it and the exhaust had

8:46

a pipe in it and the

8:48

pipe was going into the car and

8:52

I went hold on a minute

8:55

and the looks and there she is in

8:57

the car with the pipe in her mouth and

9:01

I couldn't believe it. So I

9:03

dragged her out there's smokes everywhere

9:06

I'm coughing like you know and

9:08

the first thing I do I call the police and

9:12

I news that he was shooting me on but I didn't know it was

9:14

this drastic. I close the police

9:17

in LA the police come

9:19

in an ambulance and they all come together the

9:21

paramedics and they come it's

9:24

like now it's about 4.30 to get

9:27

there they give them CPR

9:29

oxygen she's alive she

9:32

starts coughing but

9:34

they knew her she tried to

9:36

do something before and

9:39

then what happened

9:42

was they added on

9:44

the gamey and one

9:46

of the paramedics in the car comes

9:48

to me and they got my details

9:50

and if you've experienced I said no.

9:55

So she's on the gamey and she's got the oxygen on

9:57

and the cop said to me and she said no.

10:00

taking the notes and the statements. Can

10:02

you tell me how old Mrs Weinberg is? And

10:07

I said, I think she's 43. And

10:10

she takes the mask off and she goes, 44! And

10:13

I went, oh my God. Oh,

10:16

you lunatic. And

10:18

you're putting, you're doing this to us. We

10:21

were subject to this, what

10:23

we would see. So

10:25

we took her to the hospital. I said,

10:27

the chef and that. And I kept her quiet. I

10:31

said, she's gone to the hospital. And I didn't say nothing to the

10:33

chef. I just said, can you do some

10:36

bacon and eggs and that and give us some added juice.

10:38

And I just sat there with the other butler and

10:40

that. So the other butler, he said, I can't

10:42

take it. So

10:45

we went to the doctor

10:47

and the doctor advised them to quit the job. So

10:50

they quit. But she was in the hospital. She's

10:53

calling me from the hospital from seeing the

10:55

Sinai Medical Center, from the hospital. I

10:57

said, what's the chef cooking me tonight? Are

11:01

you bringing her over to me? And I'm going, well don't you get fed

11:03

in the hospital? So

11:05

she and I sat in the hospital. It's

11:07

one of the best hospitals in the world. So I said, what do you

11:10

want? She went home to Nate Niles on

11:12

Beverly Drive, she said. And

11:15

kept me some lox and salmon. I

11:18

thought, okay. So I

11:20

kept the rolls right over and I called to the

11:22

hospital. I'm going to see

11:24

the signing. She's in the psychiatric ward. I'm

11:27

taking them in. I'm taking

11:30

them into the ward. Just unbelievable. It's

11:33

the scouter from Liverpool. I

11:35

mean, see the Sinai Medical Center. I'm

11:37

taking Baker and Lux to a Jew. It

11:39

was nuts. And she went, thank you, Terry. And

11:43

then one night, she'd be nice

11:45

to me and then she'd be going, I make sure you

11:47

stay out to sun. It was absolutely bananas. And

11:50

I was like, I'm going to go to the hospital. She'd be nice to me

11:52

and I'd be like, I'm going to be going to shoot. And then she'd be nice

11:54

to me and I'd go, oh, oh. It was absolutely bananas.

11:57

So she stayed in there a while. reason

12:00

she didn't like the chef. So

12:03

what personality was the chef? He

12:05

was a American. He was gay. He was gay and you

12:08

know what you know obviously

12:10

you know when you know he's gay but I didn't judge

12:12

him I didn't mind because he was

12:15

a good kid he was just making a living that's

12:17

all he was doing so I

12:19

decided to I just

12:21

got along with it you know and I

12:23

was making good money and I just kept

12:26

you know I just went along

12:28

with it and so

12:30

she came home one night she come in the

12:32

kitchen and the chef was you know

12:34

he was down by the pool and he

12:36

had a little dog and

12:38

the dog used to bark so

12:41

she got everything out the fridge and she threw

12:43

it all over the kitchen the

12:47

whole lot I came out in the morning

12:51

all the food the milk had been poured all

12:53

over the kitchen on marble one

12:55

of the most beautiful kitchens you've ever seen and

12:58

I looked at it and I went oh

13:01

my god I

13:04

mean the chef we just cleaned it up and

13:06

she was going bananas so the chef come in

13:08

and by one o'clock and he

13:10

said to me I'm getting out of here

13:13

Teddy I'm done and

13:16

he left me and he just

13:18

pissed off he didn't even get paid it

13:24

wasn't worth it so I'm left I'm

13:26

left there I mean and

13:29

it's Elvis's old house and I'd

13:31

had some beautiful parties there because Elvis used to

13:33

fly all the all the hula dancers

13:35

in from Hawaii I believe in the day and

13:38

it was unbelievable I got told periodically

13:41

mr. Weinberg would come back home and I'd

13:44

save him I'd save

13:46

him Philly Mignon and I'd do him lovely

13:48

meals me and the chef and

13:50

that really lovely gentleman man but

13:53

he's only stable and nice because

13:55

she's just I'd hear them arguing in the

13:57

room and she'd get his closet and

14:00

she'd take all her suits and she'd

14:02

dump them in the corridor and

14:05

she went, you can fuck off, you can get back

14:07

to Hawaii. I don't want you in this home. And

14:09

I was like, oh, my God. She'd go, Teddy,

14:12

what's on my dinner? And I'd

14:14

go, OK, we've got you something nice.

14:16

It was absolutely unbelievable. And what it

14:18

reminded me of, it reminded me of

14:20

the cuckoo's nest. You

14:23

know, the cuckoo's nest that was done in 75. It

14:27

was just like that. So

14:30

I stayed and I was the only one there. And

14:33

I just carried on during the day and I thought, well, you

14:35

know, my time's coming to an end. And

14:40

I didn't know that she had a gun in

14:43

the bedroom. Yeah,

14:49

she had a mental woman in Clusdale

14:53

Estate in Beverly Hills had

14:55

access to a gun. So

15:04

this morning I got up and

15:07

I didn't hear from her. And

15:11

it was very hard. You

15:14

know, I was more compassionate because, you know, coming

15:16

from Liverpool, what we've seen and what I've gone

15:18

through in my life. You

15:20

know, we've had more empathy for people, you know, because

15:23

we've come from a close area where,

15:25

you know, we've always helped each other.

15:28

And I always felt that way. And

15:31

this morning. I

15:34

knew there was something wrong this day. Something

15:37

weird was going to happen. Anyway.

15:43

She was OK. I got her some lunch. I

15:45

did a tuna fish sandwich for her with

15:48

a pickle and coffee.

15:51

And I took her into the room and.

15:55

I looked at her and I thought, she's not

15:57

well. So

16:01

I asked her what she wanted that evening and

16:04

she always said salmon and lox. And

16:11

I was very uneasy this day, there was something

16:13

going to happen really bad. I

16:18

prepared the tray and

16:20

as I was walking down it was like as I say

16:22

the movie out to shining and

16:28

the gun went off. Did you hear it? Yeah,

16:33

the gun went off and

16:36

I knew and

16:39

that was the end. Did

16:41

you find them? I

16:43

was a bit scared, I could end up

16:45

going to the room at the time and

16:49

but I thought at the time that if

16:52

I call the police there's going to be

16:54

a big investigation and

16:59

it cost me minds to think that they

17:01

might be accusing me. So

17:05

I sort of went in and I

17:07

didn't go in but

17:09

I knew. So

17:11

what I did is I went to the

17:14

kitchen and I called the police and

17:17

they knew. And

17:21

it was sad and

17:23

then my life was, so

17:25

when I looked at the chap, I looked at the

17:27

chap that in the booth, the Weinberg tragedy and

17:30

that gives more detail about

17:32

it. So I decided

17:35

to, I was on my

17:37

way back then. The

17:40

butler was on the move again. Max

17:42

Factor? Yeah, so

17:44

I got me stuff, the police came, the

17:46

homicide came, they had done a big investigation

17:48

and the police had asked me but they

17:50

knew what was going on and

17:53

they took my phone number and

17:56

Mr Weinberg was in. He

18:00

was in my way and

18:02

that was the end of it. That was at the

18:04

end of Mrs Weinberg. It was expected.

18:07

Yeah, it was. It was very sad. I'd

18:10

never thought I'd be in this position to that

18:13

I was a major terminal. Yeah,

18:16

so I took a few weeks off, went

18:19

down the beach, went back in the gym, seen

18:22

Jimmy, done some training

18:25

and I was getting cold every day. And

18:28

I'd run up from Santa Monica to Venice and

18:30

then I'd run up to Malibu just

18:33

to get it all out of my mind. And

18:36

I got a call. Teddy,

18:41

there's a beautiful gentleman. He'd

18:43

like you to come to his home.

18:47

I said, but let me come up to the agency. Okay,

18:50

so I got dressed up as usual in me suit

18:52

and I went to the agency and

18:55

I sat with her. And I didn't say

18:57

nothing about the Weinbergs because she

18:59

knew he did not say anything.

19:04

It wasn't the Guardian in London, the

19:06

news. My brother would call me and said

19:08

to me, it was since

19:11

then, I think they've erased it all

19:13

from the record and the Beverly Hills police.

19:17

And I just carried on. So

19:20

I went to see Dora and she said, I've

19:22

got a lovely job for you in Beverly Glen. And

19:24

I said, okay. So

19:27

I got back in the swing, I got back in the swing and

19:30

it was for a gentleman called Max Factor. And

19:33

the mogul makeup man. And

19:36

it was Max Factor's union. Yeah.

19:38

I used to use Max Factor also.

19:40

Yeah, he was great. So

19:42

he goes to his house and he's an older gentleman.

19:45

And he had his

19:48

nurses 24 hours taking care of him because

19:50

he was getting on a bit. So

19:53

he liked me being around because I was young. And

20:00

But before that I had another interview

20:02

with the director of

20:04

Lethal Weapon. I

20:06

had an interview with him and

20:09

I had met the butler in his

20:11

house. His name

20:13

was Richard Donner. He

20:16

directed the movie with Mel Gibson and

20:18

I had been to his house before Max Factor's and

20:21

it was up in Hollywood Hills and

20:26

he wanted me to come away from him but

20:28

I didn't like the situation and I always remember

20:30

he had guns in the home. So

20:34

anyway I took the position with Mr Factor because

20:37

I found it more informal. Takes

20:39

the position with him. Drives

20:41

him every day, some Malibu

20:44

in a blue gold toys. Takes

20:46

him out. Takes him everywhere with me in

20:50

the afternoon. I'd sit with him in that afternoon seat.

20:53

It was more like a companion than a butler. When

20:56

the nurses were like, you know, they were nice. But

20:59

they had a family, they

21:01

were Russian Jews as well and

21:03

some of the families

21:05

converted from being

21:08

Jews to Catholics or Protestants because

21:11

they come and stay

21:14

their daughters and they tell

21:16

me. I always remember one

21:18

incident, it was his birthday and

21:22

I took him down to the shoe that I was where

21:25

I used to wear and

21:27

I took him in

21:30

and the baker then was my

21:32

brother-in-law David McNally. He

21:34

took Alan's position up because Alan got deported

21:38

and we

21:40

gave him sausage rolls and steak

21:43

and kidney pie and he wouldn't

21:45

stop eating but from seeing this sign

21:48

in medical centre. We

21:50

had a nutrition diet and we had

21:52

to keep to the guidelines and we had to keep

21:54

to his weight at 165. So every

21:57

morning we weighed him. was

22:00

£10 over waste because

22:02

I used to feed them and just take them out and

22:04

make them happy.

22:08

And then the

22:10

nurses would say, is £10 over? I said no, you just got

22:12

the reading wrong. It's £163, £167,

22:15

it's not £175. Okay, did you get it? And

22:17

she'd go, okay, I've

22:23

got it. And it was nice. But

22:26

we had this, one of the sources,

22:28

Barbara, would come over and

22:31

she was the iron whip. She

22:33

cracked the whip on the nurses

22:36

and they felt very uncomfortable with her.

22:40

So she pulled up on this big jaguar, this

22:42

British jaguar that he'd had made and everything

22:44

had to be British, you know, the Bentley,

22:47

the jaguar and this

22:49

day. So I caught her

22:51

in the corner and she was smoking. And

22:56

she got off the car and she went in the corner and

22:58

she was smoking a cigarette. So what I decided to do was

23:00

I just went out and

23:03

I said to her, good morning, Mrs Bentley. I

23:06

said, can I have a cigarette? And

23:09

she went, you smoked, Harry. I went,

23:11

yeah, I'll have a ciggy. I

23:14

didn't smoke, but I just wanted to play

23:16

this game with her. So she gave

23:18

me a cigarette and then she's

23:20

standing in front of me. So she's got to finish

23:22

the cigarette with me. So what's she going to do?

23:25

She's got to talk to me. So

23:27

I built this rapport with her and I'd

23:29

asked her, have you ever been to England and have you ever been

23:31

here and all that? Because you couldn't get near there. And

23:34

she was the hair to the throne of the Max Factor family.

23:37

The family, yeah, all the kids, weird

23:40

billions. So

23:42

I decided to have the cigarette and

23:44

I said to her, you know, knowing

23:47

you come over here, you know, the

23:50

household's great and your father's happy. He's

23:52

under the guidelines of the hospital.

23:54

Everything's brilliant. And

23:57

she said, his birthday's coming up,

23:59

you know, Terry. What

24:01

are you going to do? I said, well, just

24:04

leave it to me, I'll do all English style. I

24:06

said, I can do an English trifle, I

24:09

can do a souffle, a chocolate souffle,

24:11

and I can do salmon

24:14

and cucumber sandwiches

24:17

and I'll set the table beautiful but white

24:19

roses, pink roses and I said, you can

24:21

invite all the family. I said,

24:23

well, did you do me one condition? When

24:25

you back off the nayses and

24:28

I'd like you to teach them

24:31

and with respect, teach them actually,

24:34

have respect for them because they

24:36

feel uncomfortable. They're only

24:38

human beings and they're looking after the golden

24:40

man. That's what they're doing, that's what

24:42

they're for. Without her you wouldn't have no one and

24:45

she said, tell her I will, I'm

24:48

sorry if I've offended them

24:50

because she was and she really

24:53

respected me. Anyway,

24:56

this party came and

25:00

I'd done the table beautiful and set

25:02

it so beautifully, the QE2. I put

25:06

champagne on the tables but it

25:08

was non-alcoholic, pink and

25:10

white and we had this beautiful party

25:14

and it was absolutely, all the family

25:16

came, about 25 of them and

25:19

she was very proud of it. She

25:21

brought the way you set the table because that's the way you

25:23

set it on the QE2, very

25:26

formal and all the silver service.

25:29

So when it was finished that night, he

25:32

come round and helped me wife. She was helping with

25:34

me. She always came in to

25:37

help me and

25:39

he came round and he shuffled round the living room at

25:41

night to get some exercise with the nurse and

25:44

he took an envelope out, there

25:46

was a pocket and he gave it to me

25:49

and it was a $2000 tip and

25:53

I never looked at it, I

25:55

just took him and I said thank

25:57

you Mr Factor and I put

25:59

it in my pocket. and later on

26:01

I counted it was two grand and

26:04

I just carried on with the job and then a few

26:07

months later my

26:11

sister was coming from England,

26:13

the UK to visit and

26:20

I gave her the address of

26:22

my place to put down

26:25

on 4th Street in Santa Monica. So

26:29

she comes to the immigrant immigration and she

26:31

gets stopped by

26:33

the immigration and

26:38

they stop her and they say

26:40

where are you going and

26:43

they find the address with

26:47

my phone number. Next

26:49

thing she had the phone

26:52

number at Fachter's house, I

26:55

gave her that number as well because I could answer

26:57

the phone. I was the one that

26:59

answered the phone all the time at the household because then

27:01

I knew she was coming in and I

27:03

was going to go and when I finished work I

27:05

was going to pick her up. So

27:10

she was coming in and

27:12

she got stopped and

27:17

the phone went, we

27:19

had done fish. I always remember

27:21

what I gave him, it was orange roughy and

27:24

I had done a cucumber salad and he

27:27

had some cranberry juice and

27:29

a chocolate mousse that

27:32

evening and the phone went

27:34

and I picked the phone and I went hello can I help

27:36

you the Max Fachter residence and

27:39

this guy said hello this is the

27:41

United States immigration and

27:43

I want to speak to Teddy Mugen and

27:46

I went yes speaking. He

27:48

said we would like you to come down to the immigration.

27:52

I said where? He said to the

27:55

Los Angeles airport. She had an old and

27:57

new sister. we

28:00

know that you're illegal. And

28:03

I went like that. I

28:08

just put the phone down, goes

28:10

in, me

28:13

living quarters, packed the case, packed

28:16

it all, got

28:19

in my car and left without

28:21

saying goodbye to Mr Factor. Went

28:25

down to my apartment, sent to Monica,

28:27

got a net and we had to

28:30

move to a hotel for

28:32

two weeks till the dog whitened down. Went

28:37

back to Factor's, he was bluffing me,

28:40

the immigration officer. I found out then

28:42

by law that was against the law

28:44

to go to a private residence.

28:47

He was bluffing me. He

28:50

bluffed me. So

28:52

I had to leave. A few

28:54

weeks later I moved back in the

28:56

apartments. They let me sit in and they're giving

28:58

the immigration officer here in

29:00

Los Angeles. I said don't go, just

29:03

fly back to England. Don't put up with all this shit

29:05

here. And

29:08

I proceeded on. And

29:12

went back to the house of Factor's and

29:14

he was very upset with me. And

29:17

he said I would have sponsored you Terry. I'll

29:20

get your ticket in cards. And

29:23

then I just

29:26

left and then I was back to

29:28

the agency again then. I

29:30

was back at the agency and

29:32

then I went back to the agency and

29:38

there was a job come up for

29:40

the A-list actor. There

29:43

was a few of them came up. Tom Bosley came up. Steven

29:47

Spielberg came up. Mickey

29:49

Rooney came up. And

29:52

I'd actually gone to,

29:54

I went to

29:56

Spielberg and

29:58

done an interview with him. at

30:01

his studios and

30:03

I didn't like his behaviour, the

30:05

way he was behaving. He

30:08

had some parrots in the kitchen and he said

30:10

to me these parrots are more important

30:12

than my wife and

30:14

he was managed to work at an actress called Amy Avern at

30:16

the time. He was managed to work and

30:18

I thought you are very active and

30:20

very unusual and well you know you can come to my house

30:23

and you can try it out for the week and see how

30:25

you like it and all that and I just

30:27

looked at him. Parrots are more important

30:29

than his wife. Parrots

30:32

are more important than his wife and he said you have

30:34

to clean the parrots in the cages out every day and

30:36

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31:41

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31:43

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31:46

and then I went up to

31:48

Mickey Rooney, the famous actor in

31:50

Wesley Village. He was just absolutely

31:52

nuts. I don't know part of

31:54

you and then I went back

31:57

and then so this big

31:59

actor came up. I am George

32:01

Siegel. So

32:03

I went to George's home and

32:05

he lived in Bel Air, a beautiful

32:09

place and

32:12

I ghosted him.

32:16

He'd done a movie

32:19

called Virginia Woolf

32:22

with Elizabeth Taylor and he

32:24

was friends as he told me with Richard Burton and

32:27

I told him I took care of him on the QE2. Anyway,

32:31

cut a long story short, he eyes me and his

32:33

home in Bel Air, this beautiful

32:35

home in Bel Air, it was gorgeous. I had

32:37

done living courses, wanted

32:40

to come with the job again, big white

32:42

ball choice and

32:44

a red Austin Martin. So

32:48

George had this garage and he

32:50

had a few sets and then he was doing

32:52

a few movies at the time and

32:54

he'd done a lot of movies and George had

32:56

done The Longest Jay and he'd

32:58

done The Valentine's Massacre and

33:01

The Isle and the Pussycat with Jane Fonda

33:04

and Glenda Jackson, she'd

33:06

run an Oscar with him

33:08

for some MacLac's

33:10

act or something like that.

33:13

Me and George become friends and

33:15

we had this garage and he had all the movies

33:18

in the garage, the posters and I asked him one

33:20

day, I said, can I

33:22

paint the garage? I want to put all your movies up

33:24

for you and

33:26

he went, that would be great and I painted the

33:28

garage for him and I put all the

33:30

movies around the garage and

33:34

he had a lovely wife, Linda and

33:36

she was the manager of the Poynters Sisters.

33:38

Remember the Poynters Sisters? Yeah, she

33:40

was the manager of them and

33:42

he said to me, you'll get up to meet

33:45

a lot of people here Teddy. So

33:47

I just carried on normal and actually the

33:50

quarter of a row, he preferred me to

33:52

live out outside the home.

33:55

So I go home at five o'clock and

33:57

it was a good little job so I don't know.

34:00

the garage for them and

34:04

one day he was

34:06

going to lunch with a friend, another

34:10

actor and

34:12

he never showed up and so

34:15

they had a table booked at

34:17

the Brown's Abbey on Sunset, it

34:19

was on Sunset, all multiple, famous

34:21

restaurants so we decided to

34:24

say what card do you want to judge, no

34:26

one else had to come, Mr Siegel and

34:28

he said just pretend the oster marten, so

34:32

here's me and him, going

34:35

down in the

34:37

oster marten, pair of glasses on, driving

34:39

down Sunset, everyone's looking

34:41

at us, pulls up to

34:43

the Brown's Abbey, gets out

34:46

the car, everyone's staring at the boat of us, this

34:48

old actor, they thought I was an actor and

34:51

we just get out and walks in the restaurants and

34:54

I'm watching everyone and they're all staring at us, it

34:57

was unbelievable and

35:01

came back, come back to the house

35:03

and then in the afternoon I'd

35:06

do them evening meals, I'd leave him and

35:08

his wife evening meals,

35:12

so one particular day he was

35:14

having a party in the garden and

35:17

he gave me a list of actors to pick up and

35:21

he said take the white roll choice

35:23

because it will fit them all in

35:28

and he asked me what are you doing for lunch,

35:31

I said well I'll do an Irish stew, it's

35:34

my mother's recipe, it's about 100 years old

35:38

and he looked at me, really? and he

35:41

said yeah, it's called Scouse

35:45

and he went, really? and

35:48

he said, it's my brother's

35:50

recipe, I used to

35:52

learn it from her when I was a

35:55

kid and so did they

35:57

come, I set the garden and all

35:59

that. and I

36:01

was excited. That's

36:04

the role, so I got the list off him. The

36:08

list had consisted of Bud Yachty,

36:10

famous comedian, always

36:13

during Las Vegas, Burt

36:15

Reynolds. I

36:17

knew where Burt Reynolds lived because I lived next door to him

36:19

in Wiseman's and

36:22

Charles Jern and

36:25

then there was another guy that was going to

36:27

come later that I didn't know, he didn't tell me. Anyway,

36:31

goes down picks Bud Yachty, knocks

36:34

on the door and says, yeah, Mr.

36:36

Seagull's guest today, he comes out, little

36:38

Budy comes out, he's a comedian, funny

36:40

little guy he was. He's always

36:42

on the Johnny Carson show, a lot.

36:45

And he goes, I'm

36:47

picking. I was going, oh, well,

36:49

we must have a gun. Yeah, and I'm

36:52

packing. I pack all the time. Everywhere

36:54

I go, I pack. And

36:56

I'm like that, wow. We'll

36:59

get in. Anyway, get him in the car,

37:01

shut the car. Goes

37:04

over to Burt Reynolds, goes

37:07

to the gate, presses the buzzer. Hello,

37:10

yeah, guest from Mr. George Seagull.

37:13

I'm Shulfer. Burt comes

37:15

out, comes out, Burt

37:17

comes out, he's about six foot two dead handsome, you know.

37:20

Gets in the car, close the car on him, goes

37:23

down to another house on

37:26

just a shift off Roxbury Drive

37:30

and goes to that house. He was

37:33

at the top of Roxbury on Lexington, on

37:36

the corner, and I pulled up there.

37:38

They were all gated areas and it

37:40

was Charles Denon and

37:44

gets him out. I've got to feed him in the back of the

37:46

car and I'm the Shulfer and I'm

37:48

looking at him. I'm clocking him in the back. And

37:51

I'm like, this is brilliant. It's like

37:53

a movie. Gets to the house.

37:56

They all go in the garden, sit down. I've

38:00

got the couch warmed up and

38:02

George is smoking a big cigar.

38:05

Always always smoking a cigar you know when he was

38:07

on the Johnny Carson show smoking

38:10

this big cigar he was unbelievable and

38:13

he made his own mission one

38:16

day to do cocaine and

38:20

thought that was a bit like weird and from to do

38:22

that to the public but they can do

38:24

what they want so he said to me, Terry

38:27

bring the boys in the car do you want to drink and I got them all

38:29

to drink and I'd

38:32

saved them on silver it was always silver

38:34

and nice you know and

38:37

he said, Terry there's gonna be another guy coming

38:40

he'll be in in about half an hour so I'm

38:43

in the kitchen I'm preparing all the

38:45

food and I've done some cabbage

38:48

as well and beetroot with the

38:50

scouse and I've

38:52

got it all ready warmed up and that I've

38:55

got to save on the plate beautiful plates I'll

38:58

take it out next

39:00

thing the doorbell goes goes

39:03

to the door and I open the door

39:08

it's Robert Griffiths and

39:12

I went good afternoon welcome

39:17

I said would you like a drink and he

39:19

said yeah what have you got and I said they're all getting

39:21

scotch I said do you want a scotch

39:24

man sure why not so next thing the door went in

39:26

the garden they're all sitting in in the garden and

39:30

gave them the scouse so George

39:32

has got a script he used to

39:34

get these scripts from Hollywood and I'd

39:36

see them in the bathroom and I'd have a

39:38

little look at them and it

39:40

was brilliant so he gets the script and he's

39:43

he's in the garden and he

39:47

gets the script and he gets angry and

39:51

he throws it on the floor and he

39:54

goes in I'm sick of that goddamn baron

39:56

brando you

39:59

know this guy makes so much money every movie

40:02

and I'm like, BOO! He

40:06

said, I shall be making enough. So

40:08

Robert Redford says to him, calm down. And

40:11

I'm watching this. George

40:15

gets a sick eye and he says, not like you George,

40:17

why are you getting upset? And

40:20

I'm just looking at them all in the garden. Shaking

40:23

my head. So anyway, they

40:26

have the scouts. They're all

40:28

sitting there laughing and talking and shite.

40:31

And George comes in the kitchen. And

40:35

I said to him, when

40:39

are you getting upset for? Because

40:41

I was quite close to him. And

40:44

he said, man and brando? I

40:47

said, well, there you go. I said, what an actor. One

40:51

of the greatest, latest actors in the world. And

40:55

he said to me, how

40:57

do you know? Why would you know that?

41:01

I said, well, I'd been to Joan Rivers as

41:03

I was another comedian. And

41:07

while I was working for George and he didn't know, and

41:11

I'd been assigned for six weeks on the weekends.

41:16

And she'd asked me to look

41:19

after George

41:22

Siegel had said to the

41:24

agency, no, we can't go. He's

41:28

under contract with me. I said, I'm under

41:30

no contract. I didn't sign. It's

41:35

called a D. It's

41:38

a contract where

41:41

you sign and you don't show

41:44

any talk

41:46

about nobody. NDA. NDA. Yeah,

41:49

non NDA disclosure. And

41:53

so I said, no, I can do what I want. And

41:55

he knew I was going there because I'd

41:58

said to him in the kitchen. I'd

42:00

actually said to him, Mal

42:03

and Brando, I said I've

42:05

been to John Rivers' house on

42:08

the weekends I go there and I'm

42:10

taking care of Solon and Salivia and

42:12

he told me that Mal and Brando was one

42:14

of the greatest actors that he'd ever seen in his

42:17

life. I said so you

42:19

should be honored to be in that position

42:22

with him, you

42:24

should be honored. I said

42:26

he's unbelievable and

42:29

one question that I'd asked

42:33

Solon and Salivia when I did take care of

42:35

him was who was the

42:37

greatest actor and he

42:39

had mentioned Mal and Brando and

42:42

then me and George got back again and

42:44

they went and were in the garden and

42:48

someone had mentioned about the butler and

42:51

someone said to him wouldn't it

42:53

be beautiful to have a butler in a movie and

42:56

he punches me and he goes there he is there.

43:01

That's him. He's

43:03

been around so

43:06

I looked at him and

43:08

I went yeah

43:10

I'm the butler.

43:12

I'm playing my part on the

43:14

screen but you don't see me. It's

43:18

Oscar performance. Robert

43:22

Redford looked and the moment George

43:26

went I told you should

43:29

have been an actor just

43:31

like that. I just started

43:33

laughing and I'm going fucking

43:35

else the bank robber. I'll do that

43:38

movie first and then the book. Oh

43:40

my god. So next thing I

43:49

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43:52

anyway things were getting on top of me but

43:54

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he would drive a maroon rolls Royce and

45:20

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45:24

the same interview and I'd met him in

45:26

an agency and we'd cross swords

45:29

in a shop called Gelson's in Century City

45:32

where you do all the shopping for the stars.

45:35

And he was... He asked me to come

45:37

up to the house to Richard Donner's to

45:39

meet Mel Gibson and

45:42

I said, oh you know I'll come up and have a

45:44

cup of tea and that you know. I said I wasn't particularly

45:46

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45:49

met Stallone's butlers, Kevin

45:52

King and Paul Kane. They were

45:54

Stallone's butlers. I've met them years and years

45:56

before this and they were my friends. and

46:00

they told me all about it alone. So

46:03

there's quite a few English buttons, but

46:05

this guy particularly was telling me he

46:08

was so engrossed with his job, we

46:11

had a cup of tea one afternoon, in

46:14

which it dawned us, and

46:17

his wife was going to school

46:20

to be a psychologist, and

46:25

they were leaving the job. So

46:27

what had he decided to do? He

46:30

had decided to take his own life. Yeah.

46:36

And I

46:38

was telling them that I was going to be leaving and going back

46:41

to England, and

46:43

I didn't know at the time how bad it was, and

46:47

I'd only had a few weeks left, I

46:49

was returning because I'd been in touch with

46:51

some solicitors, and they had told

46:53

me to come back at the time. The time could be

46:56

appropriate for me to go back. Anyway,

47:01

I got news from his wife that he'd he'd

47:03

took a gun of Richard Donner's and

47:06

he'd killed himself. He

47:09

shot himself in the home, and

47:11

it was the headlines and all the papers,

47:13

British Butler dies in the movie star's home,

47:16

and produces home Richard Donner. It

47:18

was so sad. What

47:21

had he done? So

47:23

anyway, I ended my relationship with George Siegel.

47:26

Actually, George was moving back

47:28

to New York. He'd got his

47:30

face done. He had a facelift, and

47:33

he was selling the house in Bel Air, and

47:36

they were moving to New York, and

47:39

it was time for me to leave. So

47:42

I'd made an arrangement to fly

47:44

back to England to

47:47

face justice because

47:49

of the pressure. So

47:51

I went to Palm Springs the weekend with my wife,

47:54

and I'd called a solicitor

47:57

in Liverpool. His

47:59

name is Rob Brody. he was a good friend of mine and

48:03

he's passed on now. And

48:05

he said, come on Teddy, just try it, see what you think. I

48:08

said, will you represent me? He went, yeah. So

48:11

we decided to leave Los

48:13

Angeles and I rented

48:15

my apartment out to a friend. I

48:18

said, if I don't come back here and keep it. But

48:22

there's a bit of, I thought I'd

48:24

get about seven years to 10 years at the time. I

48:27

just had this beautiful life in

48:29

California and I'll be going back

48:31

to face 10 years or it could have

48:33

been 15 years. I just wanted

48:36

to get it all the way. So

48:39

we get back to Liverpool, get

48:42

back and go

48:45

to the city center. I

48:50

know everyone, go to

48:52

Sirloises and say, Teddy,

48:54

can I have some coffee with you? He

48:56

says, yeah, all right. Go to it,

48:59

Rob. I understand, he said to me,

49:02

Teddy, you've been away for

49:04

six years. I

49:06

don't think you've got nothing on you. I

49:08

think you'd be exonerated by now. He

49:13

said, I'll make some inquiries. And

49:17

his advice to me was not

49:19

to give myself up. That

49:24

was the advice. So

49:29

I stayed in Liverpool and

49:32

I'd met two of your partners and

49:36

Joey Wright had betrayed the

49:39

both of them. And

49:42

I was outside the outskirts of a home

49:46

and one of them said to me, Teddy,

49:51

will you come in with us? We're

49:54

gonna kill Joey. And

50:00

I looked at them and said, yeah, we've got the gun

50:02

upstairs. They had a shotgun. They had a handgun. And

50:05

they said, they're going to kill Joey Wright. And

50:10

I sat and I looked at them and I went, hang on a minute. I've

50:13

been in Beverly Hills. I've done this life. And

50:15

I've come back to this. And

50:20

then some of the

50:22

crime families at the time had

50:24

invited me to do importation. But

50:28

my life had changed the day I

50:30

was in Weizmann's with the

50:32

money and the redemption. And

50:36

I'd been married. I'd

50:38

been married eight years and I was once

50:40

a children. Anyway,

50:44

my two friends, I had to change their

50:46

thinking. And

50:48

I told them, he

50:51

said he knows your own. And

50:53

Joey at the time was doing massive importation.

50:58

I could have gone in with Joey. So

51:01

what I came up was an

51:03

agreement with my friends that

51:08

if you kill him, that

51:11

I was associated to Joey, going

51:14

back on the statements that he'd made against me.

51:17

And I would be a target. I'd be his

51:20

enemy because they knew the cops,

51:24

that he blew me up and he had

51:26

that connection with them. And

51:28

I was one of the closest people to him at the

51:30

time. So

51:32

I changed these guys' minds and I said, listen, why

51:35

don't we do this? Why

51:39

don't we tax him? And

51:42

he looked at me and said, well, that's not a bad

51:44

idea. I

51:48

said, let me sort it out for you. And

51:51

he said, well, he's scared of you, Terry. We

51:55

know he's scared of you. I said,

51:57

well, them days are gone as far

51:59

as I'm concerned. I'm going to go back

52:01

to the United States anyway. So

52:05

I'd met all some of

52:07

the crime families, had some drinks with them all over the

52:09

city and they were delighted to see

52:11

me, what are you going to do with Joey? And

52:14

they thought I was going to have a straightener with him and

52:16

I was going to do something. And

52:18

I went, nah, I said, I've got nothing against

52:20

him. You know, he's

52:23

a blow up merchant, he's a super grasser.

52:26

And that was it. So what I decided to

52:29

do was to

52:31

go to his home. I

52:36

know he was a bit of a tough guy but to me it was

52:38

nothing. I'd been to him with all them

52:40

all my life. I

52:44

went to his home and he lived

52:46

in Liverpool on Queen's Drive. One

52:50

night. And it was April, I'd

52:52

arrived and it was light at night. So

52:56

about six to eight he went to the house and

52:58

just bang, bang, bang knocked on the door. And

53:01

his wife opens it, Mary. Her

53:03

name was Mary O'Marry. She was a nice

53:05

girl. She had two kids. Young

53:08

Joseph and Michael

53:10

Rice. And

53:13

I said, hello Mary, I said, is

53:15

Seddy away? I've just come home from the States. Joey

53:18

pops his head around the corner and he goes, is

53:20

that you, Seddy? I went, alright,

53:22

how are you? And

53:26

he said, how are you doing? I

53:28

went, alright. And

53:31

he didn't come to the door. He

53:33

stayed where he was and I went, hey, in

53:35

a minute, what's the matter with you? Come

53:38

out. What's he doing, lad? So

53:40

he comes out and

53:42

he's put some weight on him. He was a bit of a fat

53:44

lad. But

53:47

he could have a cold life. And

53:50

I had a lot of bottle

53:52

of scotfella. And I knew what he

53:54

was doing through the grapevine, through

53:56

others. And

53:59

I kept that to myself. So we said to him, listen

54:01

can I have a pint with you? I

54:04

will go up to the Walton Road, to

54:07

the Black Horse, I need to

54:09

speak to you. He

54:11

said, you've got a nice house, got

54:13

a lovely kid, lovely wife, I

54:16

just need to speak to you. He

54:18

said, Joey it's not about me, it's

54:20

in your best interest to come with us. I

54:25

said, you're safe, I've got no one with me. I

54:29

said, Joey I'm standing here now, I've pulled a

54:31

gun out, I could kill you right now. It's

54:34

not about that. He

54:36

said, come with me, let's have a pint. So

54:39

we walked up, it was only a few bus stops,

54:41

away we walked up to Walton Road and

54:44

he was making a lot of dough at

54:47

the time, a lot

54:49

of dough in the 80s and

54:52

I did that. So

54:54

I sat with him, I had a drink with him.

54:56

I said, listen, do you

54:59

want a 150,000 quid? And

55:02

he looked at me and went, wha? I

55:05

said, do you want a 150? I

55:10

said, I'm the messenger, you've

55:13

got to come up with a 150,000 in cash. As

55:17

if you don't, I

55:20

think your life will be in danger. There's

55:24

a possibility that your

55:26

sons will be targeted too. They'll

55:31

be targeted and

55:35

that's all I've got to say to you. He

55:38

said, I'll tell you what, I'll give you 75. I

55:41

said, no, Joey it's 150.

55:43

I said, I'm

55:45

going to come back tomorrow. He

55:48

looked at me, he said, do you want another pint? I

55:51

said, I'll have another one. So

55:56

I have another one with him and he said,

55:58

I said, listen lad. going back

56:00

to the United States. I said

56:03

your trial that you had with

56:05

me, you

56:09

had made statements against

56:11

me and I had to trial

56:13

out with him in the pub. I

56:16

said you had

56:19

boxed the jury off, you paid

56:21

the jury for the not guilty and

56:25

that was my advice I gave you to

56:28

follow the jury home on the bus and

56:31

I had done this for some people

56:34

on the docks early in my life to

56:37

follow the jury and

56:40

I'd get behind them on the back of the bus. An old

56:42

friend of mine, Joe Evans, had been

56:44

caught with a wagon

56:46

load of whiskey and he was in custody and

56:49

I was pulled in with them a

56:52

good old friend called Jerry Bennett and

56:55

I was young at the time and I followed

56:58

the jury and I got behind

57:00

them on the bus and I said make

57:02

sure you come in with a not guilty tomorrow, it's

57:05

in your best interest and

57:07

I passed that on to Joey, what

57:10

to do and

57:13

I got that message to him and

57:15

we always talked about that how we would

57:17

box off the Liverpool jury and

57:20

it worked for Joey. They even

57:22

had the glass that they

57:25

planted from the security guard onto

57:28

Joey's clothes for forensic, that's how much

57:30

they wanted to frame him and they

57:32

put it on my clothes but

57:34

the jury still came back in and

57:37

he was found not guilty. I said

57:39

but what you told the

57:42

cops, you

57:45

exactly told the police that

57:47

I had left to California Joey and

57:50

it was in the echo, it was an

57:52

headline in the echo Liverpool

57:54

man escapes to America after

57:58

attacking the security guard. on

58:01

Scotland Road, you actually told them I

58:03

went to Los Angeles, how fucking dumb

58:05

are you? I

58:08

said, but I'll tell you what lad, I'm

58:10

talking now, our Liverpool language, they're going to

58:12

have you. I said,

58:14

you've got half an hour for me to cough, you've

58:17

got half an hour I'm leaving, I'm

58:19

fucking off back to the United States to get on with me

58:21

life. I

58:23

said, what do you think? He said, what about it under

58:25

us? I

58:28

said, I've just sold you, it's

58:30

$150. So, tomorrow Joey,

58:34

it's going to be a car parked on County

58:36

Road, in the back of

58:38

the car, it's going to be

58:40

a Mijayo, they had the Mijayo out there.

58:43

This new car had come up Mijayo, this fella had

58:45

a Mijayo, the car's going

58:47

to be parked there, the

58:50

plates were changed on it. And

58:52

I said, take the money, and

58:56

I don't want you to bring it into the pub, because

58:58

if you set me up Joey, and

59:00

I get arrested, that's

59:02

the old money that

59:05

you're giving, that's what you're making now. And

59:08

he said to me, alright

59:11

Eddie, I said, I'm telling you lads,

59:13

I've just saved your life, I've actually

59:15

saved your life, and you the one that

59:17

cast me up. I said, well I want to

59:19

thank you for that, because you actually

59:21

changed my life, and

59:24

I've seen through this. I said, I

59:26

went to Beverly Hills, and I've

59:28

become a good butler, and I've had

59:30

a good life, and I'm going back to get some more.

59:34

So thanks mate, I said go

59:37

on your way Joey, anyway, I said

59:39

I'll see you tomorrow, don't

59:41

bring any heavy Z in mate, don't

59:44

bring any guns, I

59:46

said, and I will be, take

59:49

the money and put it into Mijayo on this

59:51

street, besides the

59:54

black horse, the back door's open,

59:56

and the two guys, my

59:58

other partners, will watch it. watching them at the hill. He

1:00:02

takes the money, he puts it in, he

1:00:05

watches them, he comes back out.

1:00:07

He said,

1:00:11

do you want to have a pint? I said no thanks.

1:00:16

I knew then I was outside in case

1:00:18

anything happened to me on the inside and

1:00:22

I said, show me good luck, God bless you. So

1:00:26

what happened to his life and his children's life,

1:00:30

his son was executed, Mickey

1:00:34

Wright was executed and

1:00:38

Islaan Sherod and a Kentucki Friedchicken.

1:00:42

Joey became a

1:00:45

mule in

1:00:47

portation to Scotland of Edouin. The

1:00:51

police had followed him one

1:00:53

morning, got on the train with

1:00:55

him and followed him to Scotland. He

1:00:59

raided the apartments in Scotland and

1:01:01

found all the heathermen and the cocaine and

1:01:05

the judge gave them 100 years. He got

1:01:07

25 years each. Joey ended up in

1:01:15

Scotland in jail,

1:01:17

25 years. Later

1:01:19

on his life, he

1:01:22

got out. I think they dropped us to

1:01:25

15 years. He had

1:01:28

actually asked me to come in with him. I

1:01:31

thought there's no way I could have done it. Finding

1:01:34

that missing shin guard, remembering whether

1:01:36

it's a home or away game, getting

1:01:38

the right kid to the right playing

1:01:40

field on the right day. Why are

1:01:42

simple things sometimes so complicated? Thankfully

1:01:45

with auto owners, insurance doesn't have to be

1:01:47

one of them. We work with

1:01:49

independent agents who live in your community and answer

1:01:51

when you call. So you can

1:01:53

worry about more important things like

1:01:55

not being that thin. Oh, come

1:01:58

on, ref. That's simple human Ask

1:02:01

your independent agent if auto owners make sense for

1:02:03

you. Loading the kids in the car. Brokering

1:02:05

peeps in the back seat. Nestoring

1:02:07

to snag handoffs without even looking.

1:02:09

Why are simple things sometimes so

1:02:12

complicated? Thankfully with auto owners, insurance

1:02:14

doesn't have to be one of them. We

1:02:16

work with independent agents who live in

1:02:18

your community, know you by name, and

1:02:20

answer when you call. They keep insurance

1:02:23

simple, so you can worry about more

1:02:25

important things. Like figuring out what's

1:02:27

growing in that cup holder. Simple

1:02:29

human sense. Ask your independent agent

1:02:32

if auto owners make sense for you. Because

1:02:34

I was on my way back. His

1:02:36

life was cut

1:02:38

short down. The sentence was cut short down to 14

1:02:40

years. He

1:02:43

was an order from a judge, and

1:02:46

I think he confiscated his homes. He

1:02:49

had multiple homes. He

1:02:52

come out. He

1:02:54

was depressed. Became

1:02:56

an alcoholic. Went to

1:02:58

alcoholic's anonymous. And

1:03:02

then he fixuated in

1:03:05

his sleep, and he died

1:03:07

on his own sick. And

1:03:09

Joey had passed away. And

1:03:11

that was the end of Joey's life. The world was he? I

1:03:15

don't know at the time, Sean. I

1:03:17

don't know. It was very sad. The

1:03:20

other two guys, I saved

1:03:22

their lives from not killing them. Because

1:03:24

I know for a fact what would have gone on in

1:03:27

Liverpool, all the killings, that these

1:03:29

would have got caught. The

1:03:31

same with the other

1:03:33

friends who were executing, John and G.

1:03:37

They finally got caught. That

1:03:41

was the life of Liverpool. So then

1:03:43

I would return to the

1:03:45

United States. To start a new life. That's

1:03:49

1987. That's

1:03:53

the yuppies in the stock market crash here,

1:03:55

isn't it? Yeah, yeah, 1987. Yeah, yeah. So

1:03:59

you go to Orange County. go to Orange County,

1:04:01

goes back to Dora, goes

1:04:04

back to Dora, good old Dora, the

1:04:06

best international agency in the

1:04:08

world. Now I was powerful, I

1:04:12

was classed then as

1:04:14

the most wanted Hollywood butler in

1:04:16

Hollywood and

1:04:19

I did

1:04:21

about Orange County and

1:04:24

this gentleman was

1:04:26

an attorney and

1:04:29

he owned a five-acre estate so

1:04:33

I decided to take a chance and

1:04:36

drive to Orange County. The

1:04:39

gentleman's name, the lawyer was named Teddy Giles,

1:04:43

he is now Ben Carson who

1:04:45

ran for president, he's

1:04:47

his attorney and his advisor. I

1:04:51

get to go to Orange County with my wife Annette,

1:04:53

it was a Sunday

1:04:56

morning and I

1:04:58

always remember it was May and

1:05:01

I pulled up to the house all gated,

1:05:03

beautiful surroundings and

1:05:06

it was on a hill called Peacock Hill, the

1:05:09

reason why it was called Peacock Hill, it was where the peacocks used

1:05:11

to roam and

1:05:15

went in, I had an interview with him, his

1:05:17

house was 5,000 square feet, he had a cinema

1:05:20

five acres outside, waterfalls,

1:05:25

very very, he was only 38, took me to my house

1:05:28

next door, my

1:05:30

house next door had a swim pool, my

1:05:33

house was 4,000 square feet, at the gym

1:05:37

and everything, it was

1:05:40

unbelievable. Next thing,

1:05:43

the house next door he'd knocked down, it

1:05:46

was a million dollars and he built a tennis court and

1:05:49

he said to me, we've got some lovely exotic

1:05:52

birds outside and they had peacocks and

1:05:55

swans, oh

1:05:58

my god, I've never seen that like it, it was like a It

1:06:00

was like Paradise. It was like a

1:06:02

big old tell in Hawaii and

1:06:04

he had a lovely wife, Patty, at the time

1:06:07

and him and my wife connected, Patty's

1:06:09

wife and her nephew connected and

1:06:11

he sat back in the living room and

1:06:14

the living room was massive and

1:06:16

he sat with me and he said,

1:06:19

I feel so comfortable with you. So

1:06:21

I said to him, I'm

1:06:23

not sure at the moment. He

1:06:26

said, I'd love to offer you the job. I

1:06:28

said, well, I own a Toyota

1:06:30

dealership and

1:06:32

I told him I just got back from England. He said, well,

1:06:35

I can give you the new car for

1:06:38

coming down. He said, I'll give you the Toyota Supra

1:06:40

and you can take it off

1:06:42

the showroom floor. I said, well,

1:06:44

I appreciate that, Mr. Giles. I said,

1:06:46

well, I've got to go back to LA tomorrow to

1:06:50

meet Johnny Carson, the

1:06:54

interviewer in

1:06:57

Malibu and I wanted to meet

1:06:59

Johnny Carson. So

1:07:01

I decided to hold off on him and

1:07:04

he said to me, will you commit to me? I said, I'll tell

1:07:06

you what, listen, I

1:07:08

love the grounds and I

1:07:10

love everything about what's going on here. But

1:07:13

this interview has been set up. I've

1:07:15

got to go. 95%. I'll come

1:07:19

to you and

1:07:22

then negotiate the wage. The wage

1:07:24

was good money. I'll

1:07:28

be living in to have all these credit

1:07:30

cards, the car and

1:07:32

just the wage. The wage was like $80,000 in 1987. It

1:07:39

was good money. It's quite a lot of

1:07:41

money. I thought

1:07:43

I'd save up life for five years, you know, I'll have

1:07:45

half a million. Ten years, I'll have about

1:07:47

a million dollars to buy it home.

1:07:50

Anyway, I said, I'll be

1:07:52

in touch with the agency. Next

1:07:54

day, gets up, said to me, wife,

1:07:57

don't come with me. I'm going to drive to Malibu. I

1:08:00

went to a place called Blue Evan, Johnny

1:08:03

Carson's estate. It's called Blue Evan.

1:08:07

The animal of who went in and met Johnny.

1:08:10

I just, I went through the motions with the interview. Really

1:08:14

didn't want the job. It's

1:08:16

what stuck in my mind was the freedom of having a lovely

1:08:18

old man on his county, but

1:08:20

doing this job. So,

1:08:24

went back to Zora. She called

1:08:26

me that afternoon. She said, what's your decision? I

1:08:30

said, I'll take him on his county.

1:08:35

And I moved to his county. Moved

1:08:38

to his county.

1:08:41

Goes in the home, in the kitchen. There

1:08:46

was a note

1:08:49

to me and Annette and two cups. And

1:08:51

I said, welcome aboard. And

1:08:55

I said, Mr. and Mrs. Giles, this is one of

1:08:57

the luckiest days of our lives that we've met you.

1:09:00

Oh. What's that like? And a

1:09:02

note, and a month's wages. This

1:09:08

was $6,500. I

1:09:11

went, oh, these must be nice people. And

1:09:15

so all what I've gone through. But

1:09:19

the problem was I

1:09:22

was half exonerated, but

1:09:24

not exonerated. Uh-oh. I'd

1:09:28

been told to keep away, but

1:09:31

I wasn't totally exonerated.

1:09:35

So it still had a profound effect

1:09:37

on my mind. Stated away, yeah. Stated

1:09:39

in there. But I knew that

1:09:41

I could just get on with it. And

1:09:44

I changed. And I thought about, I had

1:09:47

two weeks holiday. And

1:09:49

I thought, I'll go to the Hawaiian Islands. I

1:09:53

thought, I'll go there. Anyway,

1:09:56

I took the job for Mr. Giles. And

1:09:59

he'd been there. the news big time. His

1:10:03

officers were underneath the

1:10:05

stairway of the tennis

1:10:09

courts and

1:10:12

he had all his pitches on the wall in the Los

1:10:14

Angeles Times and

1:10:18

a lot at the mall. The hillside strangler,

1:10:21

the freeway killer, Martin

1:10:24

Luther King's estate he took

1:10:26

care of, Richard Breyer when

1:10:29

he was Freemason, he was

1:10:31

his lawyer, Frank

1:10:33

Sinatra's lawyer, he

1:10:36

was Frank Sinatra's lawyer, Frank

1:10:38

Sinatra's junior. There's

1:10:42

a thing when women accuse them for having babies, I

1:10:44

don't know what the name of it is and

1:10:47

Terry Giles would defend Frank Sinatra's son

1:10:53

and Giles would always go to

1:10:57

Palm Springs. So

1:11:00

basically I started with Giles,

1:11:03

I put his curriculum together

1:11:05

for the own and I had

1:11:07

to put a menu because they

1:11:10

had a wine cellar, a

1:11:12

cinema and they would dine

1:11:14

in different places on a Saturday night and

1:11:17

they had this palacious koi

1:11:20

pond outside where they would overlook

1:11:23

the grounds and this

1:11:25

is where I would save them at night on

1:11:28

the weekends and they'd have all guests over. It

1:11:31

was absolutely beautiful. So

1:11:34

I started the job, everything

1:11:36

was fine, go

1:11:38

make cooking, everything. I

1:11:43

took lessons from, there

1:11:46

was a private club down

1:11:48

in, called

1:11:50

the Golden Door in

1:11:53

Escondido, Wiseman had actually

1:11:55

sent me there when I'd work for

1:11:57

Wiseman for French cooking

1:11:59

lessons. and he paid for it for me. But

1:12:02

I didn't give them too much, because sometimes

1:12:04

you give them too much and they

1:12:06

expect too much as well. So

1:12:08

I didn't give too much. I always kept a lot back. I

1:12:12

just started on the job. It

1:12:16

takes me the first week to

1:12:18

garden grove Toyota. You said,

1:12:20

which cars you want? There's a Celica,

1:12:23

Toyota Supra, and another. I

1:12:25

said, I'll take that. The

1:12:28

Supra. I talked to Supra. I had a Supra around

1:12:30

then as well. Well in the 90s, yeah. But

1:12:32

our twin turbo thing. Yeah, yeah. Well there was

1:12:34

the Celica and there was the Supra. So

1:12:37

I got the Celica and just

1:12:39

parked it outside the house. That

1:12:42

was my day car for my day off. And then

1:12:44

we had another Toyota for the chores. So

1:12:47

I settled down with them. I

1:12:49

do know a lot of entertaining at the weekends, keeping

1:12:52

up on the grands,

1:12:56

maintenance, me and my wife. A

1:12:58

lot of work involved. It was

1:13:00

conducted every day. So

1:13:03

he told me that it was someone that

1:13:05

was coming very important to

1:13:08

the grounds. To me it

1:13:10

wasn't significant, but to them it was

1:13:12

significant. And he knew that I

1:13:15

was the top quality man that

1:13:17

I was saving me and my wife. And

1:13:24

I never questioned him. I

1:13:27

just entertained. But

1:13:29

this day he was excited

1:13:33

and he'd represented Martin

1:13:35

Luther King's family, the estate. He

1:13:39

was the lawyer for that. So

1:13:42

this day we sort of kept my

1:13:44

distance from him. He was very, he

1:13:47

was a brilliant lawyer. And

1:13:51

I just asked

1:13:53

him one day, he said, who's

1:13:55

the guest this weekend? I

1:13:58

said, because you're so excited. excited. I've

1:14:01

never seen you excited. He

1:14:04

said, oh, it's Oprah Winfrey. And

1:14:07

Stedman. I said, oh, is

1:14:09

he? I said, that'll be nice, won't

1:14:11

it? Get to meet Oprah,

1:14:13

eh? And he went, yeah.

1:14:16

Anyway, so I was a little bit excited, like, and it

1:14:20

was so short. You'd just done the movie of

1:14:22

colour purple at the time. Well, I remember that.

1:14:24

Yeah, she's done that movie with, with

1:14:26

the Goldberg. So

1:14:30

he asked me what I was doing. I said, well, would

1:14:32

you shut in life at all? Because she's always on a

1:14:34

diet. I started laughing. I said, I'll

1:14:36

do the nice salmon, eh? With the ginger on the

1:14:38

top and that. And I said, I'll

1:14:40

do the chocolate sundae

1:14:43

for a souffle. And I'll

1:14:45

do a nice

1:14:48

salad and something nice and light. So

1:14:51

the dining room, it

1:14:54

was all gold. So it was gold

1:14:56

plated. It was absolutely

1:14:58

gorgeous marble. It

1:15:01

was just hard to explain it. It

1:15:04

was like out of a movie. Anyway,

1:15:07

then I came and we

1:15:10

were all set. And we'd

1:15:12

had a Cosibo on the

1:15:14

grounds with all the waterfalls. So

1:15:17

when you entered, I entered a

1:15:19

picture of Oprah up at the gates, two big white gates

1:15:21

opened in a limousine. Good

1:15:24

evening. How are you? Good

1:15:26

evening, sir. Brings them

1:15:28

in. Giles is a

1:15:30

waiting down at the Cosibo. That's what

1:15:32

he did. And then I brought them down and

1:15:35

Oprah was like that looking at the grounds going,

1:15:38

isn't this beautiful? Absolutely

1:15:41

beautiful. And

1:15:43

I was watching Oprah and I was watching

1:15:45

Stenman do watching everything. And

1:15:47

she looked at me and she went, are you the butler? I

1:15:50

went, yes. And

1:15:52

I said, my wife works with me. Oh,

1:15:54

it's a beautiful place. I said, yeah, we keep it

1:15:56

beautiful. And he

1:15:59

sat down. And he had a drink and

1:16:02

then my wife went back to the kitchen to

1:16:04

get it all ready in the main

1:16:06

house and then

1:16:08

eventually they'd sit down and they were

1:16:10

talking business about manjela

1:16:13

in Africa. You

1:16:16

know you could hear certain things but I wasn't that interested

1:16:18

in it, it just did me job. Then

1:16:21

we'd done the salmon, we did

1:16:23

the dessert and

1:16:27

they had coffee. And

1:16:29

Mr Childs was always drinking his wine, the

1:16:31

pouly-foucet, that was his favourite

1:16:33

white wine, pouly-foucet. And

1:16:39

next thing the door opened and

1:16:42

she comes in to the kitchen and

1:16:47

she said to me, this was

1:16:52

absolutely beautiful. And she

1:16:54

said to me, where are you from? I said

1:16:56

Liverpool. She

1:16:58

went, that was the most amazing meal I've ever had. So

1:17:01

we started doing some bands here, we tore

1:17:04

some leather down here. So

1:17:07

that was your show going. She

1:17:09

went to the braids and said yeah, I'll watch you down again

1:17:11

on my break here. She

1:17:13

went, do you? I said yeah. I

1:17:16

said, do you want me on the show? She

1:17:19

started laughing. I

1:17:24

started laughing with her and I said, I can go

1:17:26

on the show, you know, tell you some stories, where

1:17:28

are Beverly Hills? Anyway,

1:17:32

she started laughing. She

1:17:35

started laughing. She went, how long have you

1:17:37

been here? She said, I've been to Pupble

1:17:39

all my life, you know, apart from what

1:17:41

I've done in the past. Fucking

1:17:44

nuts. She said, oh you're amazing.

1:17:47

So anyway, she stayed the night actually.

1:17:50

She stayed the night and then the next day I took care of

1:17:52

her and I gave them breakfast. Took care of her instead. They

1:17:55

had lunch and then the limousine come.

1:17:57

And she'd come like every month. Wow.

1:18:00

got to know her and she was, I

1:18:02

found her to be a nice woman. That's

1:18:04

the way I found her. A lot of people say different. I

1:18:08

just carried on with the

1:18:10

Giles having all these experiences.

1:18:14

Then Teddy was doing a trial.

1:18:16

He'd gone out and

1:18:18

there was a guy, it was

1:18:21

called the Fred Barr Douglas murder in

1:18:24

Orange County. It was very famous where

1:18:27

he'd gone out this guy, committed

1:18:30

murder and Teddy Giles had got

1:18:32

him off with the murder. He

1:18:35

went out again. Did another one. He

1:18:38

did another one but she didn't

1:18:40

die. He chopped the girls arms off.

1:18:44

Hold on, this is our guy from

1:18:46

Joey Torres interview. Is it?

1:18:49

Yeah. He was in prison

1:18:51

with this guy Larry something. I don't know his name.

1:18:54

Yeah, because he, the guy said to him, you

1:18:57

know, you chopped her arms off and she

1:18:59

got like so much money and he said,

1:19:02

well, the bitch can't spend it can she?

1:19:04

Yeah. That's what the killer, he said in

1:19:06

prison. So that was

1:19:08

probably the case. Yeah. Isn't that

1:19:10

so coincidental Sean? Yeah. Very coincidental.

1:19:13

Scary guy, the killer. Yeah, he

1:19:15

was. So what happened with Teddy

1:19:17

Giles, he was the greatest

1:19:20

lawyer with another guy called

1:19:23

John Barnett, which I'd meet

1:19:25

John later on when and after I'd

1:19:27

have some trouble in Los Angeles, I'd

1:19:30

meet John down the line. He was

1:19:32

going to, he actually defended, he will, he, I'll tell

1:19:34

you the story when he defends me and

1:19:39

Teddy Giles had gone to come to the

1:19:41

conclusion now. Oh, I've

1:19:43

had enough of defending killers and

1:19:47

he quit clinical law and

1:19:50

he moved into an area of corporate

1:19:53

law where he was

1:19:56

very well known in the world as well.

1:20:00

one of the greatest lawyers from Pepperdine University

1:20:02

he could ever go to. Anyway,

1:20:06

he took this case and

1:20:09

it was in computer land

1:20:12

in the 80s. And

1:20:16

how I know about the case is because they

1:20:19

shared it with me and I got to look

1:20:21

after the owner of computer land and

1:20:23

he was the fifth richest man in the world and

1:20:27

his name was Bill Millard. So

1:20:31

he was coming to the house and

1:20:33

Teddy consulted me to tell me

1:20:36

that Teddy, can you

1:20:38

do your best? I said, well

1:20:40

of course. So

1:20:42

Bill Millard and his team, Ed Faber

1:20:44

and all of them were coming

1:20:47

and there was a lawsuit at

1:20:49

the San Francisco courthouse

1:20:54

where they were getting sued or

1:20:56

something was going on in the trial. Anyway,

1:21:00

I took care of Millard and

1:21:03

his wife and the editor also Barbara,

1:21:06

she was the CEO of computer land. Teddy

1:21:09

had told them to step down and

1:21:12

then Barbara would take over and

1:21:15

she would become the CEO. So they had the trial, went

1:21:18

on for quite a while. Did you

1:21:20

all come back to the house at the weekends, be

1:21:23

in the pool, have an hamburgers,

1:21:25

have an extra, you know, pool

1:21:28

if you say wine. Then

1:21:30

they get ready,

1:21:32

they go back, fly private plane

1:21:35

back to San Francisco and

1:21:37

then the trial was resumed. Anyway,

1:21:40

he came in the veg, he came in, Teddy

1:21:42

Giles won the biggest lawsuit in history. Wow,

1:21:45

360 million, won the lawsuit. They

1:21:51

all came back to the house and he was written

1:21:53

champagne. Teddy had come up to

1:21:55

me, Mr. Giles and

1:21:57

he said to me, I said, how did you do? Yep,

1:22:00

he won the case. I

1:22:03

said, congratulations. He

1:22:06

said, and Bill Millard's very impressed with you.

1:22:09

He talks about you all the time. I

1:22:12

said, that's good, isn't it? I didn't think not, no,

1:22:14

but just, there's nothing. He

1:22:18

told me, he said, Teddy

1:22:22

will be going away in a few days. We're

1:22:24

flying on a private plane to

1:22:27

the coast of Australia to

1:22:30

an island called Hamilton Island, very

1:22:33

exclusive. Two

1:22:37

days later, he's gone

1:22:39

out for meals and that, indeed. Teddy

1:22:41

owns a club in Newport Beach called Magic

1:22:43

Island. It was a

1:22:45

restaurant and it was a magic show. I

1:22:48

had access to that, if I go there any

1:22:50

time at once. I did train

1:22:52

one of the chefs there and the manager out

1:22:55

of honey. And

1:22:57

anyway, Teddy come down this morning and

1:22:59

he said to me, Teddy, we're going away for

1:23:01

a month. The house is

1:23:03

yours. And I was

1:23:05

so tired and he said, Bill

1:23:07

Millard's gonna come over to see you. He

1:23:10

wants to thank you. And

1:23:13

he said to me, Teddy, thanks. He said, go down to

1:23:15

the club and have what you want.

1:23:17

Take your friends, champagne, do what you

1:23:19

want. I said,

1:23:21

nah, I think I'll just have, I'll just play

1:23:24

a bit of tennis. That's

1:23:26

all I'll do. Cause I was

1:23:28

so tired. And he made Bill Millard

1:23:30

came over and

1:23:32

his wife and he

1:23:34

stood there and he thanked me in the net for the service that

1:23:37

they gave us. Wow. That

1:23:39

I'd gave them. And he

1:23:43

gave me an envelope with $10,000 in it. He

1:23:47

said to me, Teddy,

1:23:49

here's the 10,000. It was

1:23:51

in an envelope. He went, this is for you. And

1:23:54

he actually made a comment. And

1:23:57

he said, I've had the best butlers.

1:24:00

He said, you are the

1:24:02

finest butler I have ever seen.

1:24:09

We're confident. We're left, yeah.

1:24:12

We left and we went to Amonton Island. And

1:24:16

I was left with a net and we had

1:24:18

the whole place to ourselves. But

1:24:20

we were too tired. You couldn't enjoy

1:24:23

it. But it was

1:24:25

brilliant. Yeah,

1:24:27

but it was about to turn sour if

1:24:29

you use as I went on.

1:24:33

It sounds like the next one's challenging with the Catholic

1:24:35

bishop. Yeah, well what happened there,

1:24:37

Sean, is my

1:24:41

wife had got pregnant in

1:24:45

the jazzy's. And

1:24:47

I was so happy because we

1:24:49

had lost the baby in 1984, 85 when I

1:24:51

was at Max Factor's. She

1:24:56

was four months pregnant and we'd lost

1:24:58

her. And

1:25:00

so now my wife

1:25:02

had told me that she was pregnant and

1:25:05

I was delighted. So

1:25:07

we got the heartbeat. That

1:25:09

was the most significant thing that what I told you was

1:25:13

the heartbeat. And we

1:25:16

get to the heartbeat and

1:25:18

I'm over the moon. We

1:25:20

go and tell the Giles's

1:25:25

and the unhappy because

1:25:28

they didn't have kids. And

1:25:31

they didn't want kids. So

1:25:35

next thing, after

1:25:37

all these years, he said

1:25:40

to me, Teddy, I'll have to get

1:25:42

a new couple. And I said, thank you, I'll

1:25:45

be your manager. I'll hire

1:25:47

another booklet and he said, no, but we want a

1:25:49

net as well because she played a

1:25:51

big role with his

1:25:53

wife. So

1:25:55

I honestly think that Teddy Giles, him

1:25:58

and his wife had had an agreement with him. that they didn't have

1:26:00

children. I live next door

1:26:04

and they don't want a child on the property for

1:26:06

insurance purposes. So

1:26:09

that position a

1:26:12

month later ended after all

1:26:14

them years but it was

1:26:16

a great experience that I had

1:26:18

with them. It was

1:26:20

absolutely unbelievable and we parted

1:26:22

ways and

1:26:25

then I head out and then I go

1:26:27

back into the real world and

1:26:29

I buy a little home in Santa Ana and

1:26:35

I'd kept in touch with the window cleaner, I'd

1:26:39

hired him and he asked me

1:26:41

to go in business with him and

1:26:44

I did you

1:26:46

eventually but I

1:26:49

got another position from

1:26:52

Dora again and it was

1:26:54

actually in Orange County and

1:26:56

it was the Bishop for the

1:26:59

Catholic Church, Todd

1:27:02

Brown in

1:27:06

Orange County. There

1:27:09

was a school called Marte Day High School in

1:27:11

Santa Ana, the

1:27:13

biggest Catholic school this side

1:27:15

of the Mississippi and they

1:27:18

wanted a cook.

1:27:22

They called themselves, they want a cook but I'm

1:27:24

not a cook, I was a chef. A

1:27:28

cook to me is like McDonald's.

1:27:34

So I'd gone to

1:27:36

the school and

1:27:39

the principal was John Weiling and

1:27:43

he told me about the house that

1:27:45

Todd Brown had sent me and

1:27:47

he was the major decision maker and

1:27:50

he hired me to be the chef at the house and

1:27:55

then what I

1:27:57

found is it

1:27:59

was very un- very unusual. There

1:28:02

was a priest there and

1:28:05

he was dying of AIDS. He

1:28:10

was actually dying of

1:28:12

AIDS and

1:28:14

he asked me to keep a quire. So

1:28:18

because of my loyalty I kept

1:28:22

a quire and

1:28:24

there was times that I fed him. I

1:28:28

fed the priest and I

1:28:30

kept quietness to feed them all like

1:28:33

every night. Like I

1:28:35

went in from four to nine. It's like

1:28:37

part-time and

1:28:39

then I used to watch the priest and

1:28:42

he had intravenous and

1:28:44

it was a white shake they were giving him in

1:28:47

his arm and he was dying. Later

1:28:50

on in life they used to

1:28:52

mock society. They

1:28:55

would mock society and

1:28:58

how things were and

1:29:00

we had a girl who was a cleaner and

1:29:03

she was a little bit disabled and

1:29:05

the standards of the cleaning went up

1:29:07

to theirs and

1:29:10

I picked up on this in a conversation and

1:29:12

I thought this is not working here and

1:29:18

it was always in the back of my mind. Are

1:29:22

we got the AIDS at

1:29:26

the time? Later

1:29:30

on in life he'd

1:29:33

been involved

1:29:36

in sexual abuse because

1:29:39

there was a lawsuit in

1:29:41

Orange County and

1:29:45

his name was mentioned and

1:29:47

you know it was defended the case. Giles.

1:29:53

Teddy Giles defended it was a

1:29:56

hundred million dollar case he

1:29:59

defended it. So

1:30:02

I carried on and

1:30:06

stayed with them a while and then eventually I left. But

1:30:09

my baby was born and

1:30:12

I bought this little house in Santa Ana.

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1:32:02

it was beautiful it was 1989 shout

1:32:05

out to Kelly yeah what I kell

1:32:08

what I love yeah

1:32:10

and it was beautiful so

1:32:13

I didn't have any insurance and

1:32:18

he came round for the bill and

1:32:21

the bill was 15,000 and

1:32:24

my wife was in the bed and

1:32:28

they'd ask him for the bill and

1:32:32

I'm going we haven't got it I

1:32:34

did have money Sean but I wasn't going to give

1:32:37

that kind of money to an hospital I

1:32:40

thought to myself I'll do a deal with them later on if it

1:32:42

goes on my credit and

1:32:46

it was 15 grand later

1:32:48

on I came back to haunt me when I bought another house

1:32:52

it was on my credit and I'd done a

1:32:54

deal with them and I paid them

1:32:56

seven and a half thousand and

1:32:59

then eventually it all cleaned itself up

1:33:02

so then I carried on and

1:33:04

then I decided to build

1:33:08

the window cleaner business of so

1:33:11

in Orange County you've

1:33:13

got the north the central and

1:33:16

the south loading the kids

1:33:18

in the car brokering peeps in

1:33:20

the back seat mastering the snack handoff

1:33:22

without even looking wire simple things sometimes

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I brought this other guy in and she was

1:34:20

the guys and I thought, well,

1:34:24

let's see how we do the first year. So

1:34:28

I changed and I came

1:34:30

up with an idea and

1:34:32

it was called Britannia Winder Cleaning. And

1:34:37

I advertised in the north, the central and the

1:34:39

south and that was stayed their

1:34:41

own. And

1:34:44

she'd be the secretary. And

1:34:47

I had three guys working for me. And

1:34:50

I went out and I marketed it. I had

1:34:53

two vans. And

1:34:56

we said, well, the first year we

1:34:59

made it under the ground. It

1:35:02

was great. Made

1:35:04

it under a thousand. Living in

1:35:07

Santa Ana. Yeah. So

1:35:12

carries on. And

1:35:20

what happened was I put

1:35:22

Kelly in a private school, carried

1:35:24

on, but it was always on my mind wanting to

1:35:26

be a butler. You

1:35:30

know, just was always in my system, the

1:35:32

butler, the butler. I've

1:35:35

met so many people on

1:35:38

private homes. They were

1:35:40

custom homes all over Orange County.

1:35:45

And I'd

1:35:48

met a guy called

1:35:51

Bob Sitkin and

1:35:55

his wife, Terry. And

1:35:58

I'd actually go into these rooms. homes

1:36:00

and was very trustworthy

1:36:02

and I ran the old place and

1:36:04

they wrote the check and

1:36:07

they just left us in the houses and

1:36:10

they said lock the door up and that they knew we were after

1:36:13

they got to know us. So

1:36:15

this one particular guy his

1:36:18

name was Bob Citroen and

1:36:20

he was the County Treasurer in

1:36:23

Orange County. And

1:36:28

I got to know him he was a bit very

1:36:32

miserable man but said he

1:36:34

was lovely and all of a

1:36:36

sudden all over the news in Orange County. It

1:36:43

was the taxes of all the homes that

1:36:46

you had your taxes you'd write your check to

1:36:48

him on the taxes on the

1:36:50

house. Well can you imagine the money in Orange

1:36:52

County? Well

1:36:55

that was pooled and that

1:36:57

went into the stock market with Meadow Lynch. So

1:37:00

daily change that people getting off that money was

1:37:03

quite substantial. But

1:37:08

all of a sudden it was about to go

1:37:10

wrong for Bob. He

1:37:15

got you confident then

1:37:18

all of a sudden the

1:37:22

money was lost in the stock market.

1:37:28

And what he said he got arrested County

1:37:32

Treasurer Bob Citroen

1:37:35

gets arrested in Orange County.

1:37:41

He's arrested he's

1:37:43

put out on police bail it's all over the

1:37:45

news all over the world. Orange

1:37:48

County has gone bankrupt. I

1:37:51

don't even remember this. I do yeah. But

1:37:54

that was Bob Citroen. Wow. So

1:37:59

Cherry I'm I was in the house, all the

1:38:01

news used to come to the house. She

1:38:03

had no one to talk to, and

1:38:05

she relied on me a bit. And

1:38:08

I said, when does he go to court? And

1:38:14

she goes, it goes every week. And

1:38:16

I said, why are you going out the front of the house into

1:38:19

the media? And

1:38:22

she said to me, Terry, do you think you could help him? This

1:38:26

poor guy was lost. He was frail. He

1:38:28

had these lawyers that were just, I

1:38:31

don't know, they were OK, but they

1:38:33

never had the common sense of what we would have done, Sean. So

1:38:37

I decided to step in, and I said, well, so

1:38:41

I sat down with Bob, and I said to him, do

1:38:43

you want me to guard you? And

1:38:46

he went, yeah,

1:38:49

and if you could help me, he couldn't answer

1:38:51

that question. I

1:38:54

said, let me help you out. So

1:38:57

today he goes to court. What

1:39:00

we're going to do, we're going to go out the

1:39:02

back door. You're not going

1:39:04

through the zolt and then the following to the courtroom, making

1:39:06

a show of you. So

1:39:10

when we made the agreements, it was in

1:39:13

a very exclusive place on Sharon Lane in

1:39:15

Santa Ana, this home he

1:39:17

had in Floral Park. Opposite

1:39:20

sides to that, he

1:39:22

had all these infested Bararios of the

1:39:25

gang members. And on the other

1:39:27

side, you've got Floral Park, Bob Sitcom.

1:39:30

It was nuts. So

1:39:33

anyway, I locked

1:39:35

out him. I'd done a search of

1:39:38

the old street. And

1:39:41

at the time, I had a brand new Ford

1:39:44

Tourist. So

1:39:47

I went to the neighbors next door, and

1:39:51

I went to the back of the street, and I clocked

1:39:53

the house, and

1:39:55

I went to them, and I said to them,

1:39:57

excuse me. My

1:39:59

name is Aaron. I'm Cherry Morgan. I'm

1:40:03

the bodyguard for Mr. Sitram. And

1:40:06

he looked at me. I said,

1:40:09

he's getting harished every time he goes to court. I

1:40:13

said, could you help us out? Or

1:40:16

would you be willing to? And

1:40:18

they said, yes, what

1:40:21

can we do for you? Most

1:40:23

of the Americans in that neighborhood and

1:40:26

the older Americans going back

1:40:28

in them generations would help you. A lot

1:40:32

of them wouldn't get involved, Sean. They

1:40:34

said, yes. I said, well, see

1:40:36

this garden here, see this fence. I

1:40:40

want to take some of the plywood out and we

1:40:42

make it a gate. We'll

1:40:45

access his garden into

1:40:47

your garden. My car will be in

1:40:49

the front of your house and we'll

1:40:51

bring him out the back way. Then

1:40:55

he's in the car with me and his wife and

1:41:00

I'll take him to the Orange County Court House.

1:41:05

So he called me his bodyguard. I

1:41:09

wasn't really his bodyguard, but

1:41:11

in the essence where I showed him come and

1:41:13

what common sense was. And

1:41:16

I just took him to court every week. So

1:41:19

in that case, what happened then was

1:41:23

he never

1:41:27

done anything wrong. He

1:41:30

never done any self-gain. He

1:41:33

never stole anything. He had

1:41:35

great lawyers. So within

1:41:37

the house one day, went on for a while, I

1:41:41

carried on with my life during

1:41:43

the winters and I carried on and every

1:41:45

week I went to his home, sat

1:41:48

with the mad coffee. For

1:41:50

this day, Terry said to me on a Friday,

1:41:53

we brought him home and he'd been

1:41:55

in to see the judge and

1:41:58

he'd come out and he said, Terry, Just

1:42:00

dropped me off at the house So

1:42:02

I took him to the the neighbors we went in the

1:42:04

back. We went in the kitchen And

1:42:09

I said to him is everything okay went yeah, he

1:42:11

said I got me final sentence today And

1:42:15

I said what is it He

1:42:18

said just 12 months at the food bank that

1:42:20

would that was me imprisonment Cuz

1:42:24

he didn't steal nothing for his own gain

1:42:26

sounds like Merrill Inch encouraged him to gamble

1:42:28

it. Yeah, probably Probably at

1:42:30

the time we didn't know the the fundamentals of the

1:42:32

case so what happens

1:42:34

is He got 12 months and

1:42:37

then They still became me

1:42:39

friends Every Christmas they'd send

1:42:41

me this beautiful photograph of the two of them

1:42:43

together. I've still got them And

1:42:46

you know, they were really nice people And

1:42:49

then I just carried on with me life until

1:42:51

the travelers checks come. Oh my god

1:42:56

Ah This was one bad mistake

1:42:59

on my part after all I

1:43:01

faltered I Really

1:43:03

faltered I was actually I

1:43:08

Was actually shamed in myself for doing this Well,

1:43:13

there was a heist in Liverpool and

1:43:16

it was three million dollars taken off the docks I Was

1:43:21

involved with five of the men Who

1:43:24

had been charged with that Monogize

1:43:27

in the car accidents in

1:43:30

Liverpool Jenny were given the

1:43:33

other friends were note some

1:43:35

of them are notorious and Jerry

1:43:40

can't see John's brother He

1:43:43

was He

1:43:47

was in a one of my other friends was

1:43:49

in it was big and a Cockney had

1:43:52

been arrested in London. Alan Wells, well

1:43:54

Z So

1:43:56

in the prison I'd

1:44:00

been asked when

1:44:02

I got out would

1:44:04

I mind some

1:44:08

of the travel checks for the friend. And

1:44:14

my share of it would be compensation

1:44:16

of 25,000. But

1:44:21

then you did what you did

1:44:24

and I kept them. And

1:44:26

my wife had brought them to

1:44:28

America. And

1:44:34

I had them in a safety deposit box in a

1:44:36

bank. So,

1:44:43

a friend of mine had come home

1:44:45

from Liverpool and

1:44:48

I asked them to bring in some of

1:44:50

the old fashioned licenses. The

1:44:55

green license to

1:44:57

copy and I'll get a few of them.

1:45:02

So basically I had 25

1:45:05

grand of American Express and

1:45:08

I started cashing them in Orange County. So

1:45:13

every time you write a check it's a felony. I

1:45:18

didn't know that shown. I've

1:45:21

got Kelly. I bought a

1:45:23

house. I

1:45:26

made the undergrands, on the

1:45:28

windows. And

1:45:31

I've faltered, I've defaltered. So

1:45:36

I was getting away with it. Go

1:45:39

to all the malls, cash the mail, cash the mail. I

1:45:42

saved the money, put the money in the safety deposit box.

1:45:48

For some reason, the

1:45:51

Saturday morning I

1:45:54

got up and

1:45:57

I was with a friend. And

1:46:00

I thought well Where's the

1:46:02

money flown? In Disneyland

1:46:05

Disney all the registers the

1:46:07

tills all the cash

1:46:09

everywhere. I can knock these out easy Take

1:46:14

the taxi with a dear friend to Disneyland

1:46:21

Next thing Cash

1:46:24

in the men Take

1:46:29

one woman she

1:46:31

didn't like the signature She

1:46:37

calls it in I

1:46:43

get surrounded on Main Street

1:46:45

in Disneyland By

1:46:50

six coppers from

1:46:52

the Disneyland police They

1:46:55

took me to

1:46:58

the police department in Disneyland The

1:47:05

Hana Iron police came and got me they

1:47:08

come in Disneyland Put

1:47:10

me in the back of the police car and

1:47:13

was taking me to Hana Iron police station I

1:47:18

swear on Kelly's life as To

1:47:21

bringing me out of the police station Mickey

1:47:24

and Minnie are walking past And

1:47:31

fucking look at me Before

1:47:35

can look at me and

1:47:38

I just put me fucking head down and

1:47:40

I went the most Unappiest

1:47:43

place in the fucking world is I've

1:47:48

been fucking Nickton Disney the

1:47:51

fucking bank of others being nicked in fucking

1:47:53

the most Happiest place in the world. It's

1:47:56

fucking Disneyland lad. I Get

1:47:59

fucking Nick So

1:48:01

I'm in the police station in Anaheim and

1:48:06

the CIG come in but

1:48:08

watching me mind if the three million iced

1:48:10

in Liverpool are

1:48:13

they gonna connect this? Few

1:48:17

me friends got not guilty, Alan Wells

1:48:19

got eight years, Jerry Conte got

1:48:21

five years, he

1:48:23

was some guilty and

1:48:28

I went are they gonna get

1:48:30

me on this? So

1:48:33

anywhere goes in the police station and

1:48:36

I got an OR, me

1:48:38

own bail and

1:48:40

I got out with them there

1:48:44

was three felonies because

1:48:46

when you take a check into a

1:48:48

private property shown that's breaking

1:48:51

and entering, you're

1:48:53

burgling Disneyland so I

1:48:55

got drunk for burgling me on Disneyland and

1:48:58

then I got drunk for the travelers check and

1:49:01

I was what? I

1:49:05

was fucking mad at him. Got

1:49:08

home, had a lovely

1:49:10

home, lovely cars and

1:49:13

I went I'm

1:49:17

wanted in England, I'm

1:49:20

still wanted officially and I'm

1:49:22

nicked in America whatever

1:49:26

done let

1:49:28

myself down anyway

1:49:33

have you changed an attorney by

1:49:36

the name of John Barnett? He

1:49:39

was the attorney that represented

1:49:41

the police officers in the Rodney

1:49:43

King beating

1:49:48

and I went to see John and

1:49:51

he knew me from Teddy

1:49:53

Giles, he was Teddy Giles'

1:49:55

partner, he'd

1:49:59

been to the house for

1:50:01

dinner? I

1:50:03

thought I've got to get

1:50:05

John Barnett. Anyway

1:50:09

the three felonies would

1:50:13

add up to over four

1:50:15

years in jail.

1:50:20

However I was having another problem

1:50:22

at the time with one of a neighbor an

1:50:25

American crazy neighbor and

1:50:30

he was jealous of me and

1:50:34

he used to bully his mother next door

1:50:39

and he knocked on the door one night and

1:50:41

told me to move me trucks over. I

1:50:44

moved him they knocked on

1:50:46

the door again and I

1:50:50

said excuse me, he said my daughter's asleep don't

1:50:53

be knocking on the door mate I've

1:50:55

just moved him he fucks off

1:50:57

he comes back knocked on the

1:50:59

door again so I just grabbed

1:51:01

him by the throat and

1:51:03

I pushed him out to the street and

1:51:07

I kept all of his throat and

1:51:10

I said to him I'll fucking

1:51:12

break you door next time. His

1:51:14

mother standing there watching me they

1:51:17

called the police seven

1:51:22

police cars come on a 911 call so

1:51:30

I defended myself in front of the police I went

1:51:34

no man and you know the old

1:51:36

little people came out of me I didn't back

1:51:38

down to these cops this fucking

1:51:40

motherfucker here and he's

1:51:43

a cunt and everything he's bullying bullies

1:51:46

and so next thing he said

1:51:48

to me do you want to press charges he

1:51:51

said yeah? Fucking

1:51:54

gets arrested again? An assault?

1:52:02

I'm going fuck this. John

1:52:06

Barnett told

1:52:08

John. No,

1:52:11

it's a cluster of violence. It's

1:52:13

two things that you don't tolerate as

1:52:16

you know. Violence and drugs. Next

1:52:21

thing. Post

1:52:23

the calls. So

1:52:26

they put them together. Anyway,

1:52:30

I was

1:52:32

going to leave for England and do one. That

1:52:35

and I just stay

1:52:38

here. Anyway,

1:52:41

it comes up the case after a few

1:52:43

months in January. The

1:52:48

judge said, okay,

1:52:51

the sentence is four and a half years. I

1:52:55

went to John, that's too much, man. That's

1:52:59

too much. He

1:53:01

said, well, if

1:53:03

you can do restitution for $25,000 and

1:53:08

then pay the victim back

1:53:13

$5,000 for the assault,

1:53:17

we'll give you two. So

1:53:20

I just agreed with it. Anyway,

1:53:22

cut along for the short. I got 18

1:53:24

months. Did

1:53:27

you do the whole thing? No. No,

1:53:30

didn't do the whole thing, Sean. I

1:53:34

agreed there and

1:53:36

then the judge said, what

1:53:38

do you want to do? I said, you

1:53:40

can take me now. So

1:53:42

they took me. Said

1:53:45

goodbye to Annette. Kelly wasn't

1:53:47

there. Kelly was

1:53:49

three and we had to tell

1:53:51

Kelly that her dad was going away on a ship. So

1:53:55

here they am. I'm going through

1:53:57

a medic and in jail, to jail. I

1:54:03

could have done one but

1:54:06

I stayed. Goes

1:54:10

into jail, you know what it's

1:54:12

like showing all the Mexicans and that and

1:54:14

white guy you know this white guy stands

1:54:16

out. Gang bang goof. Yeah everybody

1:54:18

I thought

1:54:21

but I knew I was tougher than them and

1:54:24

I'm gonna show it when they

1:54:26

get in there from

1:54:28

the Bostel from London

1:54:31

prisons I've been in and

1:54:39

get in there and

1:54:41

you know it's all big tanks elevators

1:54:43

in the Honors County prison, well

1:54:46

it's a jail, they don't call a prison and

1:54:52

you guys are upstairs get

1:54:55

all me kit and that we're going in the

1:54:57

tanks and

1:54:59

show them go away and yeah we'll take this

1:55:01

guy upstairs with a

1:55:03

white guy. I just fucking

1:55:05

looked at them and I went you don't want to get

1:55:07

upstairs I'm gonna

1:55:10

fucking take the two of years

1:55:13

I'm gonna fucking kill the both of yous and

1:55:17

he went wow so

1:55:20

the guy looked at me and

1:55:22

one of them shouted you and Irish gangster with

1:55:25

the accidents and I went yeah we're Irish

1:55:27

gangster so they

1:55:30

took me and I got segregated into

1:55:32

another tank and

1:55:35

I went in the tank with them and

1:55:37

then it was started then stayed

1:55:39

in Honors County for quite a few months and

1:55:44

I established myself to shadowbox and

1:55:46

all the Mexicans loved that got

1:55:49

the towels at night and all

1:55:52

that you know to English but toilet

1:55:54

rolls in socks yeah everything they've done

1:55:56

it all and then I

1:56:00

got shipped out to

1:56:04

an open prison, James

1:56:06

Music, get

1:56:08

shipped out there and I

1:56:11

think I've got five or six months left. So

1:56:16

I was in the jail this morning, he took

1:56:18

us at three in the morning, then

1:56:20

he got us back up at

1:56:22

five to all

1:56:25

the music, the Vietnam music, dang, dang,

1:56:27

dang, dang, dang, dang, dang, dang, all

1:56:29

this music. It was crazy. So

1:56:32

I made a mistake the next day, you know,

1:56:35

to give you them big black boots. I'd

1:56:38

have made a mistake, I put

1:56:40

my foot on this guy's bed and

1:56:44

he was about six or three and

1:56:47

he said to me, hey motherfucker,

1:56:50

get your foot off my bed or kick

1:56:52

the fucking goddamn shit out of here. So

1:56:56

I went like that, I just ignored him. So

1:57:01

on the commissary, I bought

1:57:05

cigarettes, I

1:57:07

just bought 20 cigarettes. So

1:57:10

we go to the recess this morning, the next morning

1:57:15

and put

1:57:17

two towels in the back

1:57:20

of my pants, give

1:57:24

one guy a cigarette, got

1:57:27

a match and a letter for him, the

1:57:30

other fellas looking at me like that, says

1:57:35

you smoke man, he went yeah,

1:57:37

says yeah, got the match, put

1:57:39

it down and put the towel and just went and

1:57:41

let that round me and I just

1:57:44

threw a right hand and I hit him and knocked him out. And

1:57:48

the two black guys there and he went, he