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It's time for today's Lucky Land

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Horoscope with Victoria Cash. Good

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evening everybody, welcome back to the Sean Atwood

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channel. We are here with Crime Theory, myself

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Ron Swanson and of course the one and

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only Mr. John Wedger. Of

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course we are jumping in to a

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case that's known to everyone, the McCann

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case, but we're specifically

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looking at Julia, the interview

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that happened over the weekend

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and I'm gonna tell you where my

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head's at with it all because I

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was blown away by Julia's

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story and I

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cannot wait for Sunday, Julia's coming back

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Sunday to go through her life story

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and the more you

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hear from this lady, the more

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you're kind of drawn in to her

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story because she really

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didn't leave any stone unturned

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on Sunday, she really never,

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she's got incredible answers for

1:25

99% of all the questions that get thrown at

1:27

her and I think the pinnacle, I think the

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crown jewel of all this is she's somehow figured

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out a way of whether

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you believe her or you don't,

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it doesn't matter, it's about the

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truth in her story and I

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took a full 180 on

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Sunday about 15 minutes through the

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live stream and I was like I just

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what I need to talk about this girl,

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we need to talk about the story, we

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need to really ask ourselves about that phone

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call that was made

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and I think we're gonna go through that when we... look

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at a few other things. But

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before we do that, Mr. Wedger,

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how are you? What's been happening

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this week? Take us through it

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all. We're in. We're back in

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the secret headquarters base

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that you're in. I can see

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with the emergency. In case anyone

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hits the button and

2:19

you're summoned to go and fight fight

2:21

crime, vigilante style. So how's things

2:23

being drawn? How's things been? Tell us a little bit. Yeah,

2:26

busy, busy. I've had a bit

2:28

of a drama because I left

2:30

my work laptop on the underground,

2:33

London Underground, small in my bag

2:35

with all my bits and pieces,

2:37

everything in it. So we'll

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wait and find out if someone's handed that in. Hopefully

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the good citizens of London. I think

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years ago, laptops and mobile

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phones were a bit of a currency.

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But I don't think this. Do you

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remember car phones? How

2:53

mad was that for a period of

2:56

time, where you didn't have a mobile

2:58

phone, but you had these guys that

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had car phones? Like mind blown? Well,

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it shows how they've changed because when

3:04

the phones first came out, not

3:06

a real early early, but what we call

3:08

mobile phones instead of those big car ones,

3:10

but the mobile. Yeah,

3:14

we had a couple issues to us in the

3:16

police and you could

3:18

have someone and this is the truth, right

3:20

on surveillance, they could be on

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the London Underground, but the

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cut and cover lines, not the

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deep ones, the you know,

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like they have like the New York subway

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type ones. They could be on

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a train. And as long as you was

3:35

in going the same direction, then

3:37

you could still have reception. Yeah,

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that's how powerful they must have been.

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Mad. Yeah. And I think they

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then downgrade them, but they were that powerful. They

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would transmit through the soil. They were crazy.

3:51

I remember, do you remember the weird era

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of when the mobile phone started to do

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the pay as you go and

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they became like two mobiles for 20.

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quid from orange. And then

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all of a sudden, I don't know if the

4:04

market was flooded, but like was as if like

4:06

three months later, the prices went back up to

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being astronomical again, it was almost like they were

4:10

trying to facilitate a market and then slam the

4:12

brakes on. Yeah, Mercury

4:14

had the first flip phone thing.

4:17

Yeah, I remember. Yeah, they were

4:19

doing deals for the emergency services. They were

4:21

encouraging you to get them. And they would

4:24

do all weekend and

4:26

evening calls were free. Then

4:28

they realized that this is actually a

4:30

really good deal. And they tried to

4:33

buy the contracts off everyone. Oh, wow.

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So if you get the old way,

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it's the old nine, but oh,

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nine, five, eight or seven, nine, five,

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eight, they're the original contracts and ones.

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And they're worth a fortune. It's

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mad. Are we talking planets? We're not

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talking planets. We're doing what's called the

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fluff padding, right? Which gets us past

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the threshold. Where if John or Rocco,

4:57

Ron or John or Rocco or John,

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Ron and myself, oh my God, Don

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or myself, Jesus, say

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anything that can get demonetized or pass

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the threshold. Okay. And with this one

5:08

thing that John and I specialize in

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demonetizing videos. I'm

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with you because I've been in communication with

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Julia for quite some time. It was, it

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was just on messenger for a while. And

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then I've had a few conversations with her

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and, and I'm in the same opinion. I, it's

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not changed what I believe happened

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with Madeleine and I'm quite

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stork on that. However, I'm with you in

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respect to Julia, I think they

5:35

should be given this go off a chance and

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they're not. And I've, I

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want to elaborate on that. I really

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do. And that phone conversation is

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very interesting that she

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had with the officer of 11 years

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on, on, on Operation

5:51

Grange talk about milking

5:54

the cash cow. Wow. Yeah.

5:56

I mean, that to me, that to me.

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was one of

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the most telling moments in that whole

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call. Yeah, I

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mean, what was really

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interesting was it

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was very dismissive of her now she's intelligent

6:14

and she's articulate. And I said to her,

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where do you learn English? She said, I

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don't know. I thought that

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was odd. I was thinking really, she went, I was taught

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a little bit basic. Well,

6:26

John's getting a phone call. Everybody just give us a

6:28

second. John, can you hear

6:30

you? We still can't hear you, John. You might need

6:32

to. Yeah, we can't hear you.

6:36

Can you hear me? There we go. Sorry,

6:38

someone's calling me and it's that's right.

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But when she talks to the officer and

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now bear in mind, right,

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this is operation Grange

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is the disappearance of Madeleine McCann,

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not the kidnap of Madeleine McCann, not

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the planned abduction of Madeleine McCann, the

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disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Now, if you

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if you've killed her and

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got rid of the body, well, sure enough, that's a bit

7:05

of a disappearance in its own right. But

7:08

she's still shown as a missing

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person. And I want to go

7:12

into some stats and facts about

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missing persons, missing children. Now,

7:17

if she is still a missing person, it

7:20

is the police's job if they've kept this

7:22

open ended, which they have to

7:25

exhaust all potential

7:27

lines of inquiry. Julia has

7:29

given them a potential line

7:32

of inquiry, right? Julia

7:34

has given them that. Yeah,

7:36

I'm not accepting it right

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now. Interesting things with this. She

7:42

wanted a DNA test. Yeah.

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Okay, they're going to do a forensic

7:47

comparison. Now forensic only means one thing,

7:49

it means evidence record. So there'll be

7:51

a forensic statement, which could be expensive,

7:53

but not not hugely expensive. It would

7:55

just be a bit of a pro

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forma, as it were. Sure. You

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can get parental DNA

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comparisons done right for 90

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quid. Right. Ninety quid.

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Now, listen, John,

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you can't expect the British police

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force to have an excessive

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amount of money, like 90 quid

8:17

just lying around. Right. Now, let's break this

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down. Let's break this down even further.

8:23

Right. Portsmouth University. That's the university

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that deals with all policing related

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issues. So if anyone goes for

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a degree in policing and crime,

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they go to Portsmouth University. So

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Portsmouth University works in conjunction with

8:36

two forces. I think one was

8:38

Wilkeshire, one was some other

8:40

Shire. Right. And they

8:42

looked into funding for missing persons. Right.

8:44

Now, the minimum spend on a missing

8:47

person, right, is 1325 quid. But a

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realistic, you

8:56

know, like this mean, motor medium,

8:58

a medium, a realistic amount of

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expenditure by a police force on

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an investigation into a missing person,

9:04

a missing child is £2415. The

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Metropolitan Police have

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milked over that how

9:14

many years they've been

9:16

doing this, 13.2 million,

9:19

million pounds, right, that they've

9:22

taken. They didn't

9:24

want to spend 90, but they spent

9:26

13.2 million. Now,

9:32

when you listen to

9:34

that guy, I can't

9:36

believe 11 years on that inquiry. Wow.

9:39

That's a third of your policing career

9:41

spent on a case they've not even

9:43

got anywhere near to solving. Right. I

9:49

mean, 13 million. Okay.

9:52

Like, does anybody want to do the quick

9:54

maths on what percentage £90 is of £13.2

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million? It's It

10:00

seems like they've probably spent more on

10:02

stationary on the case than

10:05

named patterns. Well, it seems that

10:07

everyone who's on the inquiry goes out there. And

10:09

what is interesting at the time, there

10:12

was a guy called Andy Redwood, DCI

10:14

Andy Redwood. Right. He now

10:16

works for the Financial Misconduct Authority. Well,

10:18

if you use his police and skills

10:21

in there to look at Operation Grange

10:23

for their financial misconduct, right. And

10:27

he didn't last too long. When

10:29

he got on there, he looked at the

10:31

evidence and he said, due

10:34

to the evidence that I've reviewed, bear

10:36

in mind, this is a senior experience,

10:39

so-called DCI. And it sounds like

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he said, it is

10:43

my adjudication, it's

10:45

his summation

10:48

of this, that

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this is a pre-planned abduction.

10:53

You know, so this clever guy

10:56

with all this experience is put in there and

10:58

he's looked at the evidence and he says straight

11:00

away, this is a pre-planned abduction. He's just

11:03

reading from the script, this guy reading from

11:05

the script. Now,

11:08

when the detective

11:10

of 11 years milking

11:15

this cash cow that is Operation Grange,

11:18

I can't get my head around that. 11 years. Well,

11:21

talk about the station cat. I

11:23

mean, really my word, it'd

11:25

be good to know how many trips he's

11:27

had on the taxpayer to play golf. I

11:29

can take another look. Do

11:33

you know what I mean? He's probably got a permanent tan,

11:35

isn't he? One of them guys, you know,

11:38

Terry Venable's got this

11:40

L-tel permanent tan

11:42

on him, right. And he

11:44

turned around and said, I can assure you, you are

11:47

not Madeline McCann. He was

11:49

really closed and mind made

11:52

up. Now, listen to

11:54

it again. It's really, really telling. He

11:57

knows what has happened to Madeline McCann.

11:59

He knows. in exactly

12:01

is conclusive and what he says

12:03

it's totally and likely conclusive you

12:06

are not Madeleine McCann I

12:08

am not gonna explore this I'm not gonna

12:10

go into it you know

12:12

genuinely sounded right like someone had put a

12:15

gun to his head and said you better

12:17

convince this Julia woman right now but she's

12:19

not Madeleine McCann I

12:21

felt like there was more to what was

12:23

going on than just the conversation 100% there

12:26

was more to it and I got that

12:28

as well and and he

12:30

was so closed so closed yeah I'm

12:32

thinking you know whatever

12:36

you know our opinions as individuals

12:38

on the crime theory they

12:44

owe this to Julia you

12:46

know she's done the DNA test just

12:48

send it for a comparison and

12:51

give her the friends and

12:53

they talk about oh she's not the first

12:56

she's not the only one there's been hundreds

12:58

and hundreds well that may be the case

13:00

but we've only heard of one we've only

13:02

heard of Julia all around the world and

13:05

the fact of the matter is we know

13:07

now Cora like hard

13:09

evidence wise that the

13:12

there has been no DNA test done well

13:14

would you trust that crazy woman that took

13:17

her on dr. Phil would

13:19

you trust a single thing that came out of her mouth

13:21

I wouldn't the

13:23

thing is if you're gonna take

13:25

um still 13.2 million

13:29

off of the government and how much

13:31

they've ever raised and you're gonna put

13:33

this up as this big high profile

13:35

case and you're gonna tell

13:37

the world what bastions of absolute criminal

13:39

justice you are and you're prepared uh

13:42

taxpayers expense not your own to go and play

13:44

golf um for the queen and

13:46

for the king now in portugal on taxpayers

13:49

money then do you know what if you

13:51

do get the odd mickey runi

13:53

turning around and saying that they are madly

13:55

mccann they are all luke and well deal

13:57

with it deal with it you know the

13:59

police It's like get all the

14:01

time they get deluded people bringing them up.

14:04

We used to get sent to calls all

14:06

the time where someone's just

14:08

not right and head. I'm not saying this about Judah.

14:10

Judah, please. Listen, I'm not saying this about you. We're

14:12

just going about, but police still

14:14

have to turn up and deal with it.

14:16

That's what happens. You know, and

14:19

if she's turned up, she's not

14:22

a fruit loop that there is trauma in

14:24

her life. And she's open about that trauma

14:26

in her life. And if you had

14:28

come from any sort of abuse, well, there's going to

14:30

be trauma in your life without a doubt. You

14:33

know, and the other thing is when whenever there's

14:35

a missing person thing, right, you

14:38

go out there and you have

14:40

to consider obtaining biometric evidence. We

14:43

used to do it all the time. Right. And

14:46

as a family liaison officer, which I was,

14:48

we'd go in and we said, can you

14:50

can you give us a little say little

14:52

Sarah's hairbrush, for example? Yeah. Right.

14:55

And if it's a boy, don't take them over. This

14:58

is toothbrush for you. So we

15:00

would see hairbrushes, toothbrushes. We would

15:02

take DNA from mum, DNA from

15:04

dad, samples and swabs and everything

15:06

else. We would take that. Look,

15:09

whenever you years ago, you had to

15:11

be convicted or

15:14

cautioned for an offense,

15:16

a recordable offense before they

15:18

took your DNA. Right. Now,

15:21

they DNA you straight away without

15:23

even being charged, convicted or even

15:25

no further actions that there

15:29

is this urgency to get

15:31

people on the DNA database. And what they

15:33

say is we will be searching and comparing

15:35

samples through the DNA database. They tell you

15:38

that's what they do. So why

15:40

are they not doing it for her? I

15:43

don't get it. I don't understand it because

15:45

they know what really, really has happened to

15:47

Madeline. That's that is my opinion. Right.

15:51

And and if we look at that, right, you

15:54

know, we have. I'll

15:56

go through the stats in respect to

15:58

kids that go missing. right so uh

16:02

oh i i would second that julia i have

16:05

to say on sunday you

16:07

left no stone unturned and one of those stones

16:09

john is this phone call should we just should

16:11

we go should we go through a couple of

16:14

sections of it because i think it's yeah yeah

16:17

it's it's pretty wild and i

16:20

think most of you have heard this but if

16:22

you haven't just you know

16:24

you're going to hear it again because you know it's

16:27

content so um and i think i

16:29

want to see i want to see john's reaction to this

16:31

because i think a

16:33

lot of us were taken aback let's let's

16:35

go through this so this is julia on

16:37

the phone with the police officer from operation

16:39

grange that john has just explained has been

16:41

13 plus million pounds

16:43

into the case to find

16:46

they're trying to find madeline okay

16:48

so you know you'd think that if

16:50

someone comes along with worldwide news coverage

16:52

okay the whole world has your

16:54

eyes on you and think you would

16:57

do your due diligence and and and

16:59

it's part of their duty to exhaust

17:01

all avenues of inquiry exhaust

17:05

right um not just cast people

17:07

as nutters and say no well

17:09

that's it and the thing is after

17:12

you watch sunday's interview with julia

17:14

you are not left with the

17:16

sensation of this is a crazy

17:18

person not at all yeah

17:21

not at all because it's almost maddening

17:23

right yeah because you kind of want

17:25

to come on to it and be

17:27

like oh we can write this off

17:29

you can't write this off that's

17:31

the problem you can so let's let's dive

17:33

into this because there's so

17:36

much that uh julia

17:38

deserves and she's getting nothing

17:41

from uh from the powers of peace let's

17:43

check this out who's

17:45

calling it's the police oh

17:47

okay i'm a police officer

17:50

from um the metropolitan police okay

17:53

um and i work on operation

17:55

grange the madeline mccann case okay

17:59

um and we actually spoke my

18:01

name's Mark we actually spoke a number of

18:03

years ago yes 2022 yeah yeah

18:08

you rang me when

18:10

you're in a

18:12

hospital yes I remember you

18:16

so yeah so I told you

18:19

back then that you weren't Madeline

18:21

McCann but obviously a lot's happened

18:23

since then so

18:26

I'm just ringing because I'm I

18:29

feel I honestly feel like he just

18:31

like clickbait it us there yeah that

18:33

information a lot changed since then Julia

18:35

yeah I know

18:38

but he said I told you

18:40

then you're not he is he's

18:42

close he's certain he knows

18:44

what's happened to Madeline McCann he is

18:46

that book shut there is there is

18:48

he's not even open-ended he's leaving no

18:51

doubt there at all he's totally closed

18:53

on that one yeah you sounds

18:55

like it does sound like the case

18:58

is closed we have Madeline's body and

19:00

he's talking to some Raven crazy person

19:02

do you see what I mean exactly

19:04

but and it's

19:06

so not the case this is it's

19:08

this is the thing anyway let's keep

19:10

going because there's a bit towards the

19:12

end which is just it is not

19:14

to be aware you went to

19:17

Lester to roughly at the

19:19

anniversary and you also went

19:21

to Carring Cross police station

19:24

that's true yeah

19:26

and they stated a intelligence

19:28

report just to say that

19:30

you attended and they

19:32

took your DNA so and

19:36

then I know that you ran police

19:38

again on the yes I was worried

19:41

because no one called me and I

19:43

was like I never lied I never

19:45

lied I

20:00

mean everything that was said by this

20:02

fake fraud, Pia Johansson from USA, wasn't

20:04

true. Yeah,

20:07

well, I mean

20:11

all I'm gonna say is what I said back

20:13

in in 2022, you were not

20:15

Madeline McCann, okay? I

20:21

know that's hard to hear and I know

20:24

you've been told this by many people but

20:26

you have to remember we've worked

20:29

on this investigation for since 2011.

20:31

I've worked on this investigation.

20:35

I know, but

20:38

did you get results? Can

20:41

you give me a copy? Of

20:44

what, sorry? Of the

20:46

results? Oh,

20:48

we haven't said that the DNA

20:50

is not being tested. Now

20:52

keep in mind, Julia took her and

20:55

brought herself to the UK, okay?

20:57

And went through all of the travel,

21:00

the hassle, all of this. And

21:03

then had her physical DNA taken from her

21:05

that she believed was going to be put

21:08

towards ending this journey that

21:10

she's on. To then be

21:12

told we've taken it but

21:15

we're not going to bother testing. We're not

21:17

going to compare it exactly. So it's been

21:19

taken the time there to take it, which

21:22

is quite straightforward. It can

21:24

go on a database anyway. Now

21:26

there's some interesting points here, right?

21:29

We know everything about you. They've

21:33

done their digging. Now what

21:35

Julia could do, she could put

21:37

in a subject access request, a

21:39

freedom of information, because there's been

21:41

an intelligence report that Charing Cross

21:43

Police have done. They've done what

21:46

they call a criminal intelligence report on

21:48

her. It would be interesting to see

21:51

what they've put in that report and if she

21:53

could get disclosure of that. The other thing I

21:55

picked up on, we know you've been to Lester.

21:58

How does he know she's been to Lester? So

22:01

she's come to notice for some reason

22:03

in Leicester. Now, whether that is because

22:05

she's overtly put herself out there or

22:07

there could be some sort of covert

22:09

source that has given that information, you

22:12

know, and she's been picked up whether

22:14

it's come through from the board. It

22:17

sounded threatening, John, if I'm being honest.

22:19

It almost sounded like, hey,

22:21

hey, little girl, we know

22:23

what you're doing. We can see you. It

22:26

was, oh, it's icky.

22:29

It's real icky. I think

22:31

it gets even more threatening. It gets quite

22:33

a vile threat there. But what

22:36

I'm picking up on is that there's

22:38

for some reason they have got some

22:42

tracking on her so they know what

22:44

she's doing. And he does say, we

22:46

know everything about you. But what I

22:48

would say, I think, freedom

22:51

of information request to see what

22:53

the context of that intelligence report

22:56

because I've got a funny feeling.

22:58

Obviously, his application might get bogged

23:00

down in bureaucracy, John. Do

23:03

you know? Well, well, there's enough people

23:05

that want this. And

23:07

there's a lot of keyboard warriors out

23:09

there. I've had people do work for

23:11

me that are brilliant at freedom of

23:13

information. It doesn't necessarily have to be

23:15

for Julia's benefit. It could be for

23:17

the whole public's benefit. What was on

23:19

that intelligence report that was taken the

23:22

other day when I think she attended

23:24

was in April or something. She was

23:26

in the UK and

23:28

see what information they hold against that. So

23:30

that might be proof of thought. But yeah,

23:33

it looks like they're keeping tabs on there

23:35

anyway. Yeah, that's my phone.

23:38

Let's crack on. Why? We

23:40

can't spend public money on something like

23:42

that when there's no. It's

23:46

not public money. It

23:48

doesn't make any sense, John. It's not

23:51

public money. And is

23:53

this a private we talk into a private security firm

23:55

here. I thought this was a policeman. Well,

23:57

exactly. Right. A

23:59

couple of things. I'd say,

24:02

if he goes

24:04

on to say about everyone's coming forward,

24:06

okay, what do you mean by everyone?

24:08

Give us the exact figure of people

24:10

that have come forward and claim to

24:12

be Madeleine McCann. I would say it's

24:14

probably less than a handful, right?

24:17

I wouldn't have thought it'd be a lot.

24:19

So if he's bogged down with people coming

24:21

forward, then surely they should have an officer

24:24

deployed to deal with that. But

24:26

I don't think they are bogged down at all with people.

24:28

There may have been one or two. Julia

24:31

is the most prominent. And

24:33

like you said, after meeting with her,

24:35

even a conversation, you realise she's not

24:38

a fruit loop. No, really,

24:41

it's like I say, it's almost

24:44

frustrating how together and articulate she

24:46

is, because you kind of want

24:49

to write off

24:52

the horrible things in the

24:55

world, you know, Madeline, you

24:59

know, the parents had something to do

25:02

with it. It's this poor girl Madeline.

25:04

Your brain kind of wants to just

25:06

find the most comforting resolution for things.

25:08

And I think if you haven't seen the

25:11

interview on Sunday and you're on the fence

25:13

about this, or you're thinking, oh,

25:16

how can we be platforming this

25:18

sort of thing? Go

25:20

watch it, because I'm telling you, by

25:22

the end of that interview with Julia,

25:25

you'll have your whole whether

25:27

you still agree, whether you

25:30

agree what Julia is saying, whether

25:32

you disagree, it all of a

25:34

sudden doesn't matter. It becomes

25:37

about Julia and her story and

25:39

her truth. And that's what is.

25:42

Well, the other thing is picking apart what you

25:44

say, that the money is being

25:46

funded from the home office. Each

25:48

single consecutive prime minister is keep

25:51

allocating money. They're getting on average

25:53

about £300,000 a

25:55

year constantly. Sometimes it drops to

25:57

about 200,000 on

25:59

the whole. Bang, bang, bang. Now this

26:01

pays for dog handlers, pulsar,

26:05

especially search officers, and

26:07

all this other equipment to go out to

26:09

a country which they have absolutely no jurisdiction,

26:12

and which they would go out for a stint

26:14

of seven to eight days at a time. They've

26:17

got me flown out there. Some will go business

26:19

class because they are working. They're going to be

26:21

housed. They're going to be given the $110 a

26:23

day allowance. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

26:25

They can afford that, yet

26:27

they can't afford, and I'm

26:30

just going by how much these parental DNA

26:32

tests cost. So we'll just

26:34

go with a 90 quid. I might be different.

26:37

It might cost more. You know what? Let's round

26:39

it up to 100. Let's go crazy, John. Let's

26:41

go crazy. Exactly. And to

26:43

be honest, it's nothing. You know, what

26:46

is it? It's a negligible amount of

26:48

the 13.2 million

26:51

that they've had. So 100 quid.

26:54

And it can be dealt with. They can deal with

26:56

it. They can do a comparison and they can put

26:58

this to bed, but they've not done that. It's

27:01

that seems just so weird to me. Yeah,

27:04

it all seems a bit weird. And I'm not being funny. If you've

27:06

got a 3.2 million pound budget,

27:09

you can afford anything. There shouldn't be

27:11

an understaffed area. There shouldn't be anything.

27:15

Well, I could I could someone send someone in

27:17

a gold plated Hummer to go and pick her

27:19

up with that money. Yeah,

27:23

that's only because the solid gold ones

27:25

get new rims put on. Seriously, seriously.

27:30

Oh, John, John. Oh no, he's unfrozen. Right.

27:32

Let's continue with this because we've had the

27:34

moment with the public funding. Let's keep going

27:36

through this. OK, but

27:38

OK, I don't understand this because

27:40

they told me. OK, so

27:43

why are you OK? Can I ask

27:46

a question? Yeah. Why are you

27:48

saying without any testing that I

27:50

am not modeling when I clearly

27:52

can't remember some things because I

27:54

got flesh bags and there is

27:56

a person there is a person

27:58

and listen to me, please. don't

28:00

don't hang up the phone. There is

28:02

a person. Okay. There

28:05

is a person who claims

28:07

I don't believe in this, but

28:09

he claims his medium and I

28:11

didn't tell anyone about flashbacks that

28:14

I have besides on one police

28:16

person from police. I

28:18

didn't tell anyone and he knows

28:20

exactly where I was. And I

28:22

remember being in basements and I'm

28:24

not crazy. And you can test

28:26

me by psychologist, psychiatrist. I had

28:28

depression. See, this is another thing about Julia.

28:31

She is game. She is game

28:33

for the testing. She is like,

28:35

polygraph me. Okay. DNA

28:37

me, polygraph me, hook me

28:39

up. She is not shying

28:41

away from nothing. And that is just

28:44

estimate to how eager she is for

28:46

answer. Yeah. I mean, she clearly is

28:48

a survivor of abuse. She admits that

28:50

herself is a mens trauma there.

28:52

She goes over that in the interview as

28:54

well. Yeah. But

28:57

what is interesting here, she is

28:59

now alluding to psychic detectives. Now

29:01

I got

29:05

inundated with psychic detectives.

29:07

And what I used to do was I used to

29:09

send them a picture of

29:11

Brian Darmot because I pretty much know how

29:13

that poor little boy died. Yeah. And I'd

29:15

say, please, can you without a name, look

29:17

at this boy, tell me I've

29:19

yet to have anyone come

29:22

up with it. So I don't

29:24

know. This is the thing. I think

29:26

whether it's psychic detectives or just

29:28

psychics in general, right? I think

29:31

there's a large percentage of traditional

29:33

psychics that are like Darren

29:35

Brown. They're incredibly good cold readers.

29:38

They're so good at cold reading. They can

29:40

take your watch and your shirt, your shirt

29:43

tie off without you even realizing it's happened.

29:45

Okay. Yeah. But we also, and again,

29:47

John, we may, we may share different views

29:49

here. I fully believe

29:51

in the Pixies, the Loch Ness

29:53

Monster and the psychic people. Okay.

29:56

Well, I'm going to come on to this because I had

29:58

a conversation with

30:02

someone from MI6 and they had a

30:05

remote viewing unit and they were highly

30:07

successful. They were highly successful.

30:09

And are we even

30:12

smart enough, John, to

30:14

comprehend what MI6 are

30:16

doing with a remote viewing station? I mean,

30:19

let's be honest here. But the

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31:21

she said, I think 90% of

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them were from that blood group because

31:26

they proposed that's not higher. Really? Yeah,

31:29

yeah. And the other thing. So we've

31:31

got a little bit of science to

31:33

back up credible psyche. Yeah. And the

31:35

other thing they do, the other

31:37

thing they do is they monitor these spiritual

31:42

churches. She said we go

31:45

and we send people around and they sit in

31:47

there. And I had an informant

31:49

tell me very much the same thing about

31:52

the spiritual churches do get monitored

31:54

so they can keep

31:57

track on who's got these abilities. This

31:59

is I mean,

32:01

this is this is another fan buying

32:03

it fan buying out again in my own show.

32:05

Yeah. They have used them and they know the

32:07

worth of it. They do. And they use them

32:09

through the Second World War things like that. But

32:13

on the other side, you do get other people

32:15

that claim that they get the voices come through

32:18

and all this. They're very

32:21

rarely are they accurate. But

32:23

however, that there is

32:25

something in it and it does get used and it

32:27

officially gets used as well. Yeah.

32:30

And it's it's kind of mind

32:32

blowing. It really is. But hey, listen, you

32:34

know what? Psychic Detective Deep Dive. That's a

32:37

whole other show. OK, because I'm telling you

32:39

we need to get a

32:42

hold of one, John. All right. I can. I can.

32:48

I worked about four years ago when

32:50

I left the police. I'm a

32:52

children and I had four of them that

32:55

were doing quite a lot of work for

32:57

me. Well, that's

32:59

some work. So it was some come

33:01

up with common ground. I'll

33:05

try and get hold of it. There's one lady

33:07

called Debbie Davis. She does a lot of celebrity

33:09

stuff. And she used to offer

33:11

services for free. You

33:14

know, she said I can sit

33:16

and would help with searching areas.

33:18

And we did narrow it

33:20

down to one area. And it

33:22

was based on a lot of things. It was

33:24

geofeeze. It was drug work. And it was it

33:27

was a topography of the land. And she actually

33:29

got the same sort of area. This one, I'd

33:31

read someone in the side check. I just want

33:33

to say you would not be

33:35

chastised for thinking this. Right. Did

33:38

they not prove it's not mad?

33:40

They basically they did

33:42

prove it's not Madeline. Didn't the DNA

33:44

test didn't match? That's what we were

33:47

all told. Right. That was

33:49

what we that's what we got. But they didn't test

33:51

her. And

33:53

no one ever seen the results of what

33:55

went on on Dr. Phil. And I

33:57

just want to say now, I can't

33:59

remember the name. of the

34:01

crazy witch-faced looking woman that

34:04

took Julia over to America,

34:06

right? I would not trust

34:08

that woman with anything,

34:11

okay, at all. In fact, I could

34:13

be paraphrasing this, but I'm pretty sure

34:15

Julia herself said that Dr. Phil in

34:17

that episode actually sort of

34:20

started questioning her credibility, but it had been

34:22

cut out of the show. So that

34:25

whole time

34:28

that the Julia's in

34:31

safe hands guys were taking

34:33

her to America guys that

34:35

whole period, we have to

34:37

veto everything, every

34:40

single thing from that. Well,

34:42

why not just DNA tester and

34:44

you know, it's done, it's job

34:47

done. And then polygraph tests, there's

34:49

something like 99.6% accurate.

34:52

They've got a new way of doing

34:54

it now, which is the Canadian, the

34:57

Canadian police have been doing it for

34:59

a long time. The UK police do

35:02

use polygraph testing when it comes to

35:04

the rehabilitation and the

35:07

risk assessment of very dangerous

35:09

sex offenders. And

35:11

not being funny, but even

35:13

in YouTube culture, I mean, the Jeremy

35:16

Kyle DNA lie detector test days are

35:18

gone, but just for banter all

35:20

across America, they were getting lie detectors

35:22

in for, you know, friends, couples, all

35:25

this kind of stuff. And we've seen,

35:27

we have seen how accurate even with

35:29

Jeremy Kyle, the information he was getting

35:31

was going to destroy families. Right. Yeah.

35:33

He still put it out live on

35:35

air and then legal teams that were

35:37

prepared to endorse and back

35:39

it. So they were pretty confident that

35:42

what gets put out there is new

35:44

enough the truth because

35:46

they knew that there could have been

35:48

a huge backlash as a result. Absolutely.

35:51

And if that is rudimentary, well, things have moved

35:53

on even from there. And the

35:55

info I got that is pretty smack

35:57

on now. You

36:00

know, So if you combine the two,

36:02

then you pretty much got it. Yeah.

36:05

I just want to say everybody at this point.

36:07

Thank you for being here. Thank you very much.

36:09

Thank you very much for showing support to the

36:11

show, to the channel and to Julia. Can we

36:13

please make sure that we are liking, subscribing and

36:15

sharing? It really, really helps out. I know you

36:18

hear me saying this. I'm going to ask nicely

36:20

because I keep shouting at people during the day

36:22

show and I think

36:24

they're all starting to get a bit upset about it.

36:26

So can we just please, please, please, can we like

36:28

and share the scream and make sure that we are

36:30

subscribing all that good stuff. What I want to say

36:32

with this one is that it is

36:35

a detective's job to look

36:37

at information that goes towards or

36:39

away from a suspect

36:41

or whatever or a situation,

36:44

right? It's their duty

36:46

to do that. You know,

36:48

they are not doing that in this

36:50

instance. They're not. And

36:52

bear in mind, this officially is still

36:56

looking into the disappearance, which is

36:58

a strange term. It's not the

37:00

abduction. Yeah, this is an

37:02

operation grant is not the abduction of

37:04

Madeleine McCann, which the parents alluded

37:07

to and then, you know, old, Mr.

37:10

Andy Redwood had said, you

37:12

know, in a brief look at it,

37:14

it's definitely an abduction, definitely, you know,

37:16

pre-planned abduction. Well, it's a

37:18

disappearance, right? So

37:22

they should be looking at

37:24

exhausting all avenues and like we keep

37:27

getting caught in this. So this is what

37:29

they're not doing. They are not doing that. Keep

37:31

in mind as well. This girl

37:34

flew herself here. Okay,

37:37

it was possibly the most

37:39

cost-effective part of Operation Grange

37:41

that's presented itself. She's willing

37:43

to do all the traveling

37:45

and all they've got to do is shell out for the Well,

37:49

the other thing, right? If they,

37:52

right, we're both dead, right?

37:54

Yeah. So and your

37:57

Littling goes missing. And

37:59

that's it. 13 years

38:01

in the wilderness and then all of a sudden a

38:04

guy turns up so it's not one of my sons he says

38:06

I'm John wedges son You'd

38:10

be saying right I want to meet now I'll

38:12

get I'll go

38:15

one further than you. I would just be pulling random

38:17

hairs off people right now I look like I'm in

38:19

the street. Do you see what I'm saying? So I

38:22

Agree So why is

38:24

Kate not sitting down with her and

38:26

she's got the eye flick and Julia

38:28

has got the eye Sit

38:31

down with us. Look touch

38:33

her whatever very

38:35

minimum Yeah,

38:38

and see if that mother daughter bond is

38:40

there Yeah

38:43

Also, I'll keep in mind everyone. This is a

38:46

crime theory our weekly show so

38:48

if you're hearing John discuss Theories and

38:51

avenues this evening that you've never

38:53

heard him previously endorse or discuss.

38:55

That's because it's crime theory We're

38:57

delving into avenues and all kinds

38:59

of things. So just What

39:05

we should do is pluck some of her hair and test it see

39:07

if she's got sedatives in it But

39:15

this is gonna bring me on to something No,

39:18

I think it was 2023 the police officially

39:20

said there is no proof What's whether

39:22

that Kate or Jerry medicated their children?

39:24

No proof. So let's not even look

39:26

at that Let's not even go there.

39:28

Okay. Well, let me let me throw

39:30

something you then if we're gonna look

39:33

at it this way That's

39:35

from the the media which we know is

39:37

lying to us completely. We've proved that so

39:39

that's a red red cross against the media

39:42

You've got an anonymous witness, right?

39:46

That has said some pretty incredible things

39:49

Okay that at this stage I

39:51

give more credit to than the

39:53

media Okay, just just to be

39:55

clear because the level of hypocrisy

39:58

in the newspapers And

40:00

when you find out the truth, you're

40:03

left with just this huge fat

40:05

dirty question mark as to why.

40:09

Why would they want to botch this up

40:11

so badly? What is

40:13

the danger in finding

40:16

Madeline McCann? Because it seems

40:18

to me like she's a hot potato that no

40:20

one even wants to touch. But

40:25

why don't they invite

40:28

Julia in for an

40:30

A-B-E interview, achieving best

40:32

evidence interview, sit her

40:34

down and get

40:36

a narrative and then challenge her

40:38

narrative and do it in

40:40

a recorded proper procedural

40:43

way and not even go in

40:45

there because they're saying you're not

40:47

her bang. Because they

40:49

know what happened. Just

40:53

a red show. Last week,

40:56

two weeks ago, we went over the sniffer

40:59

dog stuff. Just so you know, if

41:01

you just in case you're interested in that after this, go

41:03

and watch the show from two weeks

41:05

ago. We do go over all that. But

41:09

sniffer dogs aside, even

41:13

if we, so let's say you're of the

41:15

camp, that you believe the

41:17

sniffer dogs, you believe Maddie's gone

41:19

from this world. So

41:21

then you need a reason to be

41:24

here to watch this because apparently what John and

41:26

Julia and this whole thing we were talking about

41:28

here is just a madness to you. You

41:31

have to start asking why

41:33

they have completely mishandled this

41:35

woman. Okay, this young girl

41:37

Julia, why is the tree?

41:39

Why is it just if

41:42

it's not the case, DNA test. Sorry

41:44

Julia, this is how it's turned out. Here's

41:46

all the evidence. Can't deny it. There you

41:49

go. Key's closed. I

41:53

was in communication with Julia last

41:55

night and I was sending some

41:57

people that she should be contacting to see if she's

42:00

there. sort of get the police to do what she's

42:02

asking to be done. Yeah. Now,

42:04

and I'm coming from the total opposite

42:06

mindset as to what she is. And

42:09

but I'm the same as you. I think the

42:11

girl should be given the right proper opportunity. This

42:13

is what our justice systems are about. You

42:16

know, and she should be afforded

42:19

her chance and she's not. And that is

42:21

unfair. It's ridiculous.

42:24

It's OK. Let's look at it from

42:26

two different points. It's ridiculous for Julia

42:28

because this is the legal system and

42:31

all leads should be followed through. And

42:33

it's ridiculous from the McCann

42:35

point of view. OK, because

42:38

I'm telling you now. If

42:41

you were ever on the fence about are

42:44

the McCanns doing something that makes them

42:46

look guilty, it's their denial, their

42:48

pushing away and the way that they have

42:50

handled Julia. OK, because I'm telling you right

42:53

now, Mr. And Mrs.

42:55

McCann, OK, if my kid

42:57

was missing. OK,

43:01

and suddenly a very,

43:04

very credible evidence that the

43:06

markings, all of this stuff and this

43:09

was the one, John, this one here, this this

43:11

one was the one for me right

43:14

here. Right. I mean, what?

43:16

Right. It's it's it's mad. OK,

43:19

if you've seen that as a parent, you'd

43:22

be like, all right, let's get her in for

43:24

testing. OK, let's get her in

43:26

for testing. All right, sound. Do

43:28

you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Was

43:32

there any more on that police

43:35

phone call? Oh, hell yeah. I was

43:37

sure that there's a threat, a

43:40

subtle threat towards the end. We've managed to be

43:42

live for 42 minutes and cover three minutes of

43:45

a 10 minute phone call. No, no, no. We're

43:48

like two old ladies in the hairdresser.

43:50

Yeah, yeah. OK,

43:52

OK, professionalism back to the call. Here we

43:54

go. Yes, we'll

43:57

go with Emma Thompson, Emma Thompson's quote here.

44:00

how we doing Emma? Nice to see you back. It

44:02

does stink to high heaven. I refer to

44:04

it as the fishy stamp. It's a stamp

44:06

of fishy approval. Okay I had depression but that

44:08

is all and I I remember

44:10

many things and I

44:12

don't know how can you say that I'm not

44:14

modeling without any testing. Okay so

44:17

I know the person you talk

44:19

about, he's a psychic, he's a

44:21

medium and we have lots

44:23

of psychics and mediums contacting us and

44:26

there's no there's no there's

44:29

no truth in what they

44:31

say okay people are religious

44:34

they contact us we

44:36

know we know that you

44:38

are not Madeline McCann okay and

44:41

you're not the first person I had

44:43

okay but I was an American

44:45

girl who had who had

44:48

actually a problem with

44:50

her eye and

44:52

she had thoughts similar to

44:55

you she was it

44:57

was very similar she didn't have she

44:59

had some memories when she was when

45:02

she was a child etc etc and

45:04

we had to and she came she

45:06

traveled from the USA to London and

45:09

we saw her and we had to

45:11

tell her the same thing

45:13

that she was not Madeline. You

45:15

got so many films and you

45:18

can do the DNA test like

45:20

I don't understand like the reason.

45:22

Yeah if we could stop that to say

45:26

of course um now he

45:29

says clearly we know you

45:31

are not Madeline it's conclusive there

45:34

is no there is no movement

45:36

there at all bang because

45:39

they do know that that's my

45:41

point they do know because they know what happened to

45:43

her um and and

45:45

she's writing what she's saying as well you know

45:47

how you know uh

45:49

give me the chance and they should

45:51

be giving them the chances they could

45:53

resolve this so simply for everyone's benefit

45:55

there's a pride issue here but also

45:58

I think that that they know know what

46:00

happened on that night. And

46:03

he said, we know.

46:05

So he was talking about the

46:07

organization that is the dairy, the

46:09

milking factory that is Operation Grange.

46:12

I just want

46:14

to throw this out as well to people. You

46:17

understand that John and I, John isn't a guest

46:19

on this show. John and I run this show

46:21

together. Okay. So when you hear me talking, if

46:23

some of you don't like how much I talk,

46:25

there's another 15 billion

46:28

YouTube channels. You're welcome to go and watch.

46:30

Okay. I'm just saying, all right. I like

46:32

to see things too. All right. And the

46:34

fact that, the fact that we're handling this

46:37

delicate subject this evening with such a grace,

46:39

you should all give us a little bit.

46:43

Again, you know, when we

46:45

do, we are at variance and we

46:47

differ. We discuss this reasonably and

46:50

we've done this as well. And I've done

46:52

this with Julia. We've discussed this reasonably. Although

46:55

she has come from childhood trauma and

46:57

she's open about that, she's

46:59

got a real stable

47:04

emotional state. And unlike

47:06

a lot of people that have come

47:08

from trauma, the reason,

47:10

the ability to ration, have rationale

47:13

and to be balanced when it

47:15

comes to conflict, she's

47:18

got a very, very reasonable

47:21

and balanced emotional state. And

47:23

she will discuss things without

47:25

screaming, shouting and going crazy.

47:28

So again,

47:30

I think I don't know what I

47:32

expected on Sunday, if I'm being honest,

47:34

because you spoke incredibly highly of Julia

47:37

and after Sean had chatted

47:39

with her, he spoke incredibly highly of

47:41

Julia. And I'm going into this like,

47:45

this was proved. This was proved

47:47

with D.A. Do you know what I mean? And how

47:49

wrong, how wrong. And we

47:51

talk on the daily show a lot about

47:54

the passive conditioning of media narrative that people

47:56

just absorb without really questioning it. And

48:00

that was one that I mean, even I

48:02

got sucked into that one, man. I bought

48:05

the official narrative until about 30 minutes

48:08

into that interview with Julie on Sunday, and

48:10

I've done a total 180 on the whole

48:12

thing. Like it's just again,

48:14

I'm not interested in discussing. If

48:18

she is or she if she isn't, I'm interested

48:21

in discussing why she hasn't been

48:23

given the answers from 30 million, Spain. Yeah,

48:28

this is a matter of fairness and they're not.

48:32

It's not even fair. Fairness almost

48:34

trivializes the magnitude of this, John.

48:36

But it does summarize it completely.

48:38

But the way this guy handles

48:41

it, let's continue on through this

48:43

because. He's only

48:45

there for one reason, and that's to

48:47

manipulate Julia. OK, and it becomes prevalent

48:50

towards the end here. We are satisfied.

48:52

OK. And this is not just me

48:54

talking. This is the team

48:56

that work on this investigation. We

48:59

are happy and satisfied that you

49:01

are not Madeline McCann. You are

49:03

one of many hundreds of people.

49:05

I'm going to say hundreds who

49:08

think they are Madeline. But what are you

49:10

based on? Like there was no DNA. I

49:15

can't go into the details. I can't. Sorry.

49:19

I mean, with all respect.

49:22

OK, so I'm going to go

49:24

to investigation. You have had treatment

49:26

over many years for mental health.

49:28

Yes, I have. But every single

49:30

person who was who would be

49:32

even abducted would have problem with

49:34

health like. Unfortunately.

49:39

Unfortunately, having

49:42

mental health issues is

49:44

not nice. It's not pleasant. It is. It's

49:47

not nice, but I'm fine now. Yeah.

49:49

OK. OK. If you're fine, then

49:51

you need to accept that you.

49:53

But you didn't do the test.

49:56

Yeah, but you've got to accept that

49:58

you've got loving parents. and family back

50:01

home. What's her name? They

50:03

are your family,

50:05

okay? You are not Kate and Jerry's

50:08

daughter. But you don't know this because

50:10

you didn't compare my DNA with them.

50:13

Right, I do know from other

50:15

investigations. What is the other investigation?

50:18

You didn't compare DNA? Like

50:21

I said, I can't go into DNA. Okay,

50:23

but you didn't compare DNA, right? No, and

50:26

that's why I'm ringing you. I'm ringing you

50:28

to tell you that we're not going to

50:30

compare your DNA so you don't wait for

50:32

an answer, okay? You have

50:34

to accept it and I understand your

50:37

reaction. No, it's not about my reaction.

50:39

It's about what I can remember. It's

50:41

about the person who is meeting you

50:44

remembers, knows what I remember and they

50:46

didn't tell anyone. Yeah, but I can't

50:48

do it. There's nothing else I can

50:50

say. I know that I didn't. I know there's nothing else

50:52

I can say that will change your mind. No, it's

50:55

not about changing my mind. It's about fucking

50:57

DNA. Sorry for my words, but my parents

50:59

refused to do DNA. You don't want to

51:02

compare my DNA and your emergence. Many similarities.

51:04

My abuser looks like a person from picture

51:06

4B so I don't understand. You got to

51:12

£192,000 for investigation and you don't want

51:14

to compare DNA of someone who says...

51:17

Not wanting to, okay?

51:20

We follow set

51:22

procedures and it's very hard

51:25

to explain how investigations work

51:27

but we are extremely experienced

51:29

in this. You are

51:31

not the first person, you won't be the

51:33

last person who says they imagine a McCann,

51:36

okay? And we

51:38

understand your reaction. Have they bothered

51:41

testing any of the other people

51:43

since apparently there's a huge long list? What

51:48

stood out for me were hundreds of people,

51:51

well exactly how many, freedom

51:54

of information should produce that and I don't

51:56

think it is hundreds but it's probably a

51:58

few. that. But

52:00

he clearly says, I do know,

52:02

I do know. I

52:07

do know you're not her. Yeah,

52:09

I do know that. And

52:11

then he goes on to say, I

52:13

can't go into details. So

52:16

there's something that is hidden away

52:18

from the public. I

52:20

can't go into a dig. He's not allowed

52:23

to go into details. He probably does know

52:25

that she's not Mandem can. And there's probably

52:27

something in the details that that would say.

52:29

And I don't really think it's because she

52:31

she's dead and she died ages ago.

52:34

But she's right 192,000, which

52:37

is probably I think that's what in 2022, they got

52:39

awarded today, they're getting on average

52:45

200 to 300,000 every single year for the past 13 years.

52:50

Yeah, it's a huge amount of

52:53

money. Yeah, big

52:55

shout out to Dr. Becky Spelman in the

52:57

side chat. Really, really good point. I mean,

52:59

obviously, we're not going to count the crazy

53:01

lady that took her to America or Dr.

53:04

Phil. Okay, because, you

53:06

know, but I'm I'm I'm

53:08

excited to tell you apart

53:11

to tell you something about some

53:13

of these overseas inquiries. I am

53:17

still confused as to what

53:20

the UK are doing, British police are

53:22

doing out in Portugal. I

53:24

really like someone to explain that

53:26

to me, because I don't know, they've got

53:29

no jurisdiction out there. Portugal's got their own

53:31

police that are perfectly capable of cracking on.

53:33

They don't need the the,

53:36

you know, generally the size 10 boot of the

53:38

Met police. Now

53:41

I just just since it's

53:43

been brought up, john, one second, sorry,

53:45

maybe it's because they're pinning on this

53:47

Christian guy, are they? Because

53:49

apparently, all his charges

53:52

are looking like they're going to be dropped in the

53:54

coming weeks. That's a future live

53:56

stream. I'll tell you that now. But

53:58

it would be very interesting if it

54:01

does, John, because it would reek, reek

54:04

of cover up and distraction and

54:07

just add more fuel to the fire.

54:09

There's a lot more to this. Now I

54:11

know someone who knows this Christian and he's

54:13

informed me that Christian

54:15

Nudamakan's anyway, they did

54:17

know them. So maybe

54:19

they're putting Christian in the spotlight to

54:21

bully him to say shut your mouth,

54:24

shut your mouth, you know. Maybe

54:26

he drew a short straw from the club in a

54:28

room. These

54:34

are other theories ladies and gentlemen. I'm

54:38

going to talk to my source again. I'll pass

54:40

my source on to a

54:42

well-known journalist and they're

54:45

sort of seeing what they can come up

54:47

with that way because I just generally think that this does

54:50

need exposing. But if we

54:52

go back to the

54:55

UK has got the jurisdiction

54:57

for overseas territories dependencies

55:00

right now. I

55:02

knew a guy, a detective that

55:04

got sent out to the British Virgin Isles

55:06

in the Caribbean to investigate

55:08

a murder. He was

55:10

out there for nearly two years. Now he said when

55:12

I got out there the police took

55:15

me to the excuse of

55:18

a police station they had out there. They said look

55:20

this is a guy who's done it. This

55:23

is how he did it and he's actually admitted

55:25

it. So the murder was solved straight away but

55:27

they needed Scotland Yard to go down there and

55:30

do the bits and pieces. He said I

55:32

just milked it. They knew the police were there

55:34

all on board with it and they ended up

55:36

staying out there for something like 18 months for

55:39

a murder that was solved before he even got

55:41

there. So they just milked it because

55:44

it was a good life and

55:46

it was a good jolly out. So

55:49

there you go. But you know

55:51

something's gone on about remote viewing.

55:53

Yeah there's remote viewers. But yeah well

55:57

I've had guys with dowsing rods you

55:59

know. of maps. I

56:02

mean, I will look into anything, which

56:05

is what the police should be doing. It doesn't mean

56:07

it has to be a science because, you

56:10

know, even somebody's professional things,

56:12

it's just an opinion based

56:15

on someone's experience. And

56:17

that's down to the tenacity of the

56:19

defense or the prosecutor-embarrassed to come up

56:22

to the validity of these people's claims.

56:25

You know, anything good then then do

56:27

it. But what is wrong

56:29

in giving it a go? There's nothing about

56:31

me giving it a go. And that's what

56:33

they should be doing. But the investigative mind

56:35

should be like a parachute. It only works

56:37

when it's open. This guy's got a very,

56:40

very close

56:42

mindset and he keeps bringing

56:44

our mental health in. So it's getting a little bit,

56:46

you know, we know you're honestly

56:49

I get vibes. I get vibes from

56:51

this conversation that ten minutes before he

56:53

called Julia, he was dragged into a

56:55

room and told, if you don't go

56:57

in there and convince her now, you're

57:00

dunzel. There ain't no bonus this year

57:02

for you, mate, because it

57:06

sounds so wrong. You're

57:08

not sitting in the Chief Buffalo's chair in

57:10

the lodge this year. Right.

57:14

We've got our three minutes. Let's go.

57:17

But I'm still saying you. I

57:20

mean, it's not about the reaction. It's about

57:22

that you have no proofs against me, like

57:24

nothing that would say that I am or

57:26

I'm not because you didn't check it. And

57:29

this is this is unbelievable.

57:31

Right. There's no facts,

57:33

no facts at all to say

57:35

you're meddling. And no

57:37

facts that say that I'm not. There's

57:39

no evidence. So we go by evidence.

57:42

There's no evidence. Let's say you're maddening

57:44

everything you've said. We have been out

57:46

to this group. Okay. But

57:49

you don't know what I remember and even don't

57:51

want to know. And what about my abuser? No,

57:56

no, I never tell. Listen.

58:00

investigation just for you all the facts. Now I've

58:02

listened to you, I've listened to you. I

58:05

didn't tell please, last thing, can I

58:07

say last thing and then you can

58:10

do whatever you want with whatever. I just

58:13

want to say that I didn't tell

58:15

about my flashbacks to anyone and I

58:18

started getting them since October 2023. Yeah

58:20

okay. So no one. See

58:23

that right okay. I swear

58:25

to god I could quite happily go through

58:28

the screen and slap him right across the

58:30

face. It's the most

58:32

condescending like it's

58:34

just awful. The

58:39

other thing he says there's no evidence okay

58:42

but if you take a DNA

58:45

then there's tangible evidence. If

58:47

you spend the 90 quid, the 100 quid,

58:50

there's same tangible evidence that you

58:52

can use to support. What

58:54

we're talking about here is concluding

58:57

a case file. So

58:59

surely anytime anybody walks in and says

59:01

oh I would like to say I'm

59:03

this person or confess to this or

59:05

whatever, you still have to prove it.

59:07

You still gotta go get the

59:09

evidence. Do you know what I'm saying? I'm sure they had

59:12

one or two characters that walked in

59:14

a courthouse and saying oh I was the second

59:16

gunman on the grass in all. You've still got

59:18

to prove it. See what I'm

59:20

saying? And that's why they've got

59:22

a team of detectives. It's not as if they're

59:25

overstretched and they're in on days. This has been

59:27

running 13 years and you

59:29

know with a million

59:31

quid a year being chucked out or

59:33

whatever you know. So there's

59:36

experience there that the staff is there.

59:38

I mean this guy alone he's

59:40

been sitting on this but like

59:42

I say it's more than I thought nearly

59:44

half his service if he's done two more

59:47

years he's spent on that. I'll come and

59:49

get him. We're coming up to this

59:51

the very very last section of this which is what

59:53

I believe was the reason for this entire phone call.

59:58

Right there hang on. So listen to

1:00:00

Listen, here we go. You've told us before.

1:00:02

No, no, I never tell. Listen.

1:00:04

We have been asked no investigation, disprove all

1:00:06

the facts. Now, I've listened to you. I've

1:00:08

listened to you. I

1:00:11

didn't tell. Please, last thing. Can I

1:00:13

say last thing and then you can

1:00:16

do whatever you want with whatever. I

1:00:19

just want to say that I didn't tell about

1:00:21

my flashbacks to anyone and I started getting them

1:00:23

since October 2023. Yeah,

1:00:26

okay. So no one knew.

1:00:28

We spoke in 2022 and I told

1:00:30

you you weren't Madeline and you accepted

1:00:32

that. No, I never accepted that. I

1:00:34

was still trying to... You

1:00:37

did, I made notes and you said okay. See,

1:00:41

what... If I

1:00:43

turn around to you, John, right, and you're

1:00:45

convinced that you're somebody,

1:00:48

right? And I

1:00:51

turn around and say, John, you're not

1:00:53

that person. You go, okay, okay, okay.

1:00:55

Is that you confirming I'm right? Or

1:00:57

is that... There's

1:01:00

a thing called acquiescence. And

1:01:02

that's why when you interview vulnerable, which she is

1:01:05

vulnerable because she's got a history of mental health

1:01:07

and she's a survivor of abuse. And

1:01:10

especially with... Oh,

1:01:13

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1:01:16

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1:01:19

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1:02:00

a limited time only. Spellman

1:02:30

has been saying and I do

1:02:32

believe Sunday Dr.

1:02:35

Spellman is going to be with Julia and Sean

1:02:37

going through Julia's life story. I

1:02:39

am completely gripped on

1:02:42

Julia's story. Like

1:02:46

I feel like because I've

1:02:48

spoken with her, because I've seen

1:02:50

the lives, it

1:02:54

is so different to

1:02:56

what we were told in the

1:02:58

media, the impression we were given in the media.

1:03:03

I feel like all of the images they

1:03:05

used in the media, it was almost like

1:03:07

they caught her at moments where our body

1:03:09

language was really sort of protective of herself

1:03:12

and things like this. And that

1:03:14

is not who I met on

1:03:16

Sunday. I'll tell you that right now.

1:03:18

This is a well put together well

1:03:22

articulate, which articulates really well her

1:03:25

whole story. And I can't

1:03:27

wait for the next part and all the

1:03:29

support to Julia getting the answers that she

1:03:31

wants and finding out her truth because I

1:03:33

tell you something else. I've

1:03:36

got a whole bunch of other theories because

1:03:39

you know, you know, I'm a

1:03:41

big believer in the psychic stuff,

1:03:43

the mystical stuff, all this kind

1:03:45

of things. And it's

1:03:49

one thing that I was thinking to myself, well, what

1:03:51

if Julia got the answer and it wasn't the answer

1:03:53

she wanted? What would we think about the flashbacks and

1:03:55

the memories? And I mean, I'm

1:03:57

telling you now, I've

1:04:00

got theories about that too, because there

1:04:03

is a magnitude of things that could

1:04:05

be at play here. But

1:04:08

the main thing is supporting Julia getting

1:04:10

the answers she deserves and

1:04:14

questioning exactly why the UK

1:04:17

police have handled it this way. I

1:04:20

mean don't get me wrong, if every single person

1:04:22

who came out with a story like Julia demanded

1:04:24

a flight to the UK and a DNA test

1:04:26

and all this, it

1:04:28

could snowball out of control. She

1:04:31

paid her own way. If

1:04:36

they had said to her, you need to pay for your own

1:04:38

flight and we're going to charge a 200 quid for the DNA

1:04:40

test, she would have turned up with a 200 quid mate. That's

1:04:44

all I'm saying. If it was a budgetary

1:04:46

reason, which you said it was, she should

1:04:49

have just let her know, man. She

1:04:51

would have dealt with it. People were put together

1:04:54

and calm and collected than anybody else that's portrayed

1:04:56

anything on this case that I've heard, which is

1:04:58

only the one. I'm not going to spit fire

1:05:00

like I've heard a lot of things. It's just

1:05:03

the one guy, but he did not represent the

1:05:05

whole operation well. So

1:05:09

yeah, everyone in the side chat seems to be really,

1:05:12

there's even been a few people who have

1:05:14

came in at the start saying

1:05:17

one thing and who are now very much

1:05:19

softened up on the situation. And it's nice

1:05:21

to see it's nice to see people who

1:05:25

I'm very proud that we don't try and

1:05:27

create echo chambers. Obviously

1:05:29

we don't stand for anybody being rude

1:05:32

or horrible or nasty. You

1:05:34

can be very assertive

1:05:36

and direct and constructive with

1:05:40

things that wouldn't necessarily be seen as

1:05:42

a positive input. Welcome back, John. I

1:05:45

was just telling everybody that MI6 trying to shut

1:05:47

you down again. Pretty strange

1:05:49

because I went through to my settings

1:05:51

because it said no internet. Yeah, I've

1:05:53

got full internet and it's got something

1:05:55

about being blocked, websites blocking my connection,

1:05:57

which is very, very, very good. Very

1:06:00

odd. Very odd. Listen,

1:06:02

I just want to say, all of,

1:06:04

if MI5 is listening, John Wedgdon and

1:06:06

I don't really know each other. Okay,

1:06:09

we just work together. All right. Don't

1:06:11

you don't need to take me out. I'll take the

1:06:14

check. All right. I'll take the check and be quiet.

1:06:16

No, I'm kidding. But yeah, no, carry

1:06:18

on John. Carry on. Yeah. I mean, these

1:06:20

things do happen. I can remember when I was in

1:06:22

my whistle blowing phase and my

1:06:25

MP made sure everything was

1:06:27

recorded and placed into Hansards as

1:06:30

long as Hansards is like the

1:06:32

parliamentary record keeping and as well

1:06:34

as my statement. And

1:06:37

he was under instructions. One

1:06:39

moment I didn't turn up for

1:06:41

a meeting or didn't wake up.

1:06:44

Then there was a certain solicitor

1:06:46

and a certain journalist with my

1:06:48

statement out in the press.

1:06:50

And it was all worked out. And it

1:06:52

still kept in Hansards to this day, my statement

1:06:54

with the names all in it. So,

1:06:57

you know, these things do happen and you've got to

1:06:59

be mindful of them. And I think that this

1:07:02

is what's happened with this case. It starts people

1:07:05

involved have got some sort

1:07:07

of political sway. And I think it could be damaging

1:07:11

politically damaging or whatever to

1:07:14

the stability of this country.

1:07:16

If the full disclosure of

1:07:19

who and what is involved

1:07:21

in this disappearance case ever

1:07:23

got out, you know, very odd, very

1:07:25

odd. Yeah, no, he's

1:07:27

not really treating her nice. You know, he

1:07:30

really isn't. Yeah. And I just want

1:07:32

to reiterate everybody Sunday, Dr. Becky Spelman,

1:07:35

Julia and Sean for the next part of

1:07:37

Julia's story, where I do believe they're going

1:07:39

to be diving into things in a little

1:07:42

bit more detail of Julia's life.

1:07:44

I mean, I think that is the pretense of

1:07:46

it also. Make sure you make sure

1:07:48

you like and share and subscribe to this channel

1:07:50

as well. Now, what else,

1:07:52

John? I mean, it seems

1:07:55

to me like because

1:07:58

again, it's the. public,

1:08:00

it's the internet, people just want

1:08:02

an answer. Okay. And

1:08:04

it's easier to just go,

1:08:06

no, this is nonsense. This is nonsense.

1:08:09

He needs help. All of this stuff. Well,

1:08:12

I'm not being funny. Go

1:08:14

and watch Sunday's interview and then come back and

1:08:16

say all that because it's

1:08:19

not until you've spent even

1:08:21

in a virtual sense, a little bit of time

1:08:23

with Julia out with the press, the media that

1:08:25

you really start to get to grips with. There

1:08:29

is something odd going on here. Yeah,

1:08:31

yeah. She's very likable. She's highly intelligent.

1:08:33

She's articulate. It's

1:08:35

a second language because I said, I'll have

1:08:38

someone, Paul is standing by and she said,

1:08:40

Oh yeah,

1:08:42

please, if you could, if

1:08:45

ever we were to do anything, you know,

1:08:49

just because it's always better

1:08:51

to sort of come put the point

1:08:53

across in your own language. But despite

1:08:55

that, she did incredibly well in just

1:08:57

using English. And

1:09:00

the same, my opinion of what

1:09:02

happened to Madeline hasn't changed. But

1:09:04

my opinion of Julia has changed because I had

1:09:07

seen her in the press and things like that.

1:09:10

When it came out, I did follow it. I'm thinking now she's

1:09:12

a bit, but when I spoke to her, it

1:09:15

totally changed. I thought, no, no, she's not mad.

1:09:17

She's not mad. 100 percent. I'd

1:09:20

put my hands up and say that's

1:09:23

exactly how I felt going in to Sunday.

1:09:25

I really, I really did. Do you

1:09:29

know what I mean? I mean, she's

1:09:31

reasonable and that's what gets me. You

1:09:33

are reasonable. Yeah, especially when she's put

1:09:36

beside a policeman like that, John. She's

1:09:39

a pillar of like how somebody

1:09:41

should conduct themselves compared to him. And

1:09:44

you point, John, it looks like you're looking at a

1:09:46

guy off camera who's like threatening you

1:09:48

with something. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm thinking

1:09:50

that if I was a pick because this is

1:09:53

what I was doing. I

1:10:00

put myself in that position of

1:10:02

being a parent. Now, one of my kids never

1:10:04

came home one night and he was young. I

1:10:06

lived on a rough house in the state and

1:10:09

I was just crazy. I was

1:10:11

driving around at 70 miles

1:10:14

an hour around every street. Every

1:10:16

little kid I saw, I screeched and

1:10:18

ran up, made sure it wasn't mine.

1:10:20

I was just beside myself. He

1:10:23

did come home and I went crazy. I

1:10:26

really had a go at him. But

1:10:28

I was just so pleased that he'd come home. But

1:10:30

it just ripped me to pieces and I was a

1:10:32

mess. Had that

1:10:34

gone on and on and on, I don't

1:10:37

know. I think I would have become an

1:10:39

alcoholic. Yeah, I

1:10:41

don't think I would have lived too long. But

1:10:43

if someone presented themselves and said, John,

1:10:46

we think we might. This guy's coming

1:10:48

forward. I'd want to meet them. And

1:10:51

I know there are crazy people and

1:10:53

I've met a lot of crazy people

1:10:56

and I get them contact me with

1:10:58

some bizarre claims. You

1:11:00

can usually tell I get them to do a

1:11:02

paragraph. I said, please can you put in a

1:11:04

paragraph? And I can pretty much work out because

1:11:07

they'll run the rent and it will be

1:11:09

ran. I remember. And I think now this

1:11:11

is a ramblings of someone who really isn't

1:11:13

well. There's no rambling

1:11:15

with her. There's no ranting with her

1:11:18

at all. And if it

1:11:20

was me, I'd say, OK, let's

1:11:22

sit down with them. I'll sit

1:11:25

down unless unless you

1:11:27

know for a fact that

1:11:30

your child's gone and then you would you

1:11:32

would dismiss it. You would

1:11:34

totally dismiss it. Yeah, I mean, I've been

1:11:36

reading Dr. Spellman's

1:11:39

comments in this page here. I'm just I'm scrolling

1:11:41

back through them to try and find one because

1:11:43

I'm pretty sure she said something along the lines

1:11:45

of, you know, she's very together. She's very stable.

1:11:48

I think it could have been the word that the word

1:11:50

that was used. And I'm paraphrasing.

1:11:53

So please don't quote me as

1:11:55

quoting Dr. Spellman there.

1:11:57

I'm trying to. I

1:12:00

do is I whenever I'm listening

1:12:02

to someone I write I write everything I try

1:12:04

and write down everything they say and

1:12:06

then I just go over it and I

1:12:08

look at the clues always it always always

1:12:10

there and and with this guy

1:12:13

I'm more interested in what he says really

1:12:17

and and he is so dismissive he

1:12:19

is so shut off

1:12:21

his mind is made up there is no you're not

1:12:24

going to get past this guy he's like the doorman of

1:12:26

a club and I don't care you won't get

1:12:29

it and that is that well

1:12:31

and it's conclusive he's totally and

1:12:33

utterly conclusive so he knows

1:12:35

something and yeah well let me let me

1:12:38

let me ask a question to the

1:12:40

the people who and zipped I'm not picking on you

1:12:42

and you're very welcome to have a different opinion so

1:12:45

Maddie is dead Lord rest her

1:12:47

soul so to everyone who believes

1:12:49

Maddie's dead okay you're

1:12:52

allowed to believe Maddie's dead so

1:12:54

for a second can we just

1:12:57

analyze the way that the policeman

1:12:59

has handled Julia because

1:13:01

I think if there's

1:13:03

ever anything that is

1:13:06

going to help you guys

1:13:08

the Maddie is dead segment of

1:13:10

the community is the

1:13:12

way or there's a

1:13:14

cover-up or that they know more than

1:13:16

they're letting on is the way that

1:13:18

Julia's been handled yeah it

1:13:21

reeks it reeks of

1:13:24

they know more than they're telling us yeah yeah

1:13:27

and I'm of that camp I believe that man

1:13:29

dead and she died at the scene yeah and

1:13:31

and what is how he's

1:13:33

behaving he knows that as well in my

1:13:36

opinion and but it then we

1:13:38

got a look at if

1:13:40

they're going to continue with this

1:13:42

now narrative that this is the

1:13:44

disappearance of a child we still

1:13:46

want our three thousand three hundred

1:13:48

thousand grand or whatever it is

1:13:50

every year of the home

1:13:52

office so this this this office whatever

1:13:54

his name is can spend

1:13:57

the rest of his career doing it you know

1:13:59

that you And you know,

1:14:01

the narrative is that Madeline has been

1:14:03

abducted. Then why are they not interacting

1:14:05

with her? I'm at a loss. It

1:14:08

doesn't make sense. Correct! Okay.

1:14:11

If the official narrative is that she's missing

1:14:14

or disappeared, right? Whatever the

1:14:16

frick disappeared means. Okay. Wandered

1:14:19

off. Is that what they're trying to say? But because

1:14:21

if she disappeared, I hate

1:14:25

to, I mean, hello,

1:14:27

hello, disappearance. I'm

1:14:30

just saying it's just a bit mad. And

1:14:32

if there's anything that's going to, I

1:14:35

think I almost

1:14:37

feel like Julia is this missing piece of

1:14:39

this whole case. And it's either

1:14:41

going to, it's going to be mind

1:14:44

blowing, regardless of which

1:14:46

camp the answer falls

1:14:49

into. And for me,

1:14:51

it's not even about that answer anymore.

1:14:54

It's about Julia's story. I feel

1:14:56

like there's, there's the

1:14:58

whole Madi saga. And

1:15:00

now I'm on this side quest now,

1:15:02

which is Julia's side quest. And it's,

1:15:05

it's important because of that phone call.

1:15:07

It's important because of how, how

1:15:10

crazy Julia is meant to be. If

1:15:12

you look in the media, this

1:15:15

woman, this

1:15:17

woman does a better job, right? Than

1:15:19

most podcasts guests do of

1:15:21

putting their story across. Okay. I just want

1:15:23

to put that over now. Yeah, that's the

1:15:25

sign she's portrayed as being a nut and

1:15:27

she isn't. She's, she's, she's, she's

1:15:30

not even a wee bit of a calicter. She's

1:15:33

not even a wee bit eccentric. She's

1:15:35

just a very well put together, very

1:15:38

intelligent woman who has a story

1:15:41

and wants answers. And if

1:15:43

we can all get behind the

1:15:45

underdog, right? I don't

1:15:47

even know what the point is

1:15:49

anymore if we can't get behind

1:15:51

the underdog, because you both

1:15:54

camps can unite in

1:15:56

the truth for Julia because she's

1:15:59

come. this far. How many

1:16:01

people do you know that have done

1:16:04

so much of their own research, paid

1:16:06

their way, haven't just begged for somebody

1:16:08

else to do this or that. She

1:16:11

is ready to do what

1:16:13

is of after and she's done it and

1:16:16

she got let down. So you see we've

1:16:18

seen this entrenched mindset before. When

1:16:20

we look at the murder of Rachel Nikel, Rachel

1:16:23

Nikel was a lady that was murdered I

1:16:25

think in the early 1990s on Wimbledon Common

1:16:27

when a young son was with her and

1:16:30

she was butchered to death

1:16:33

and they arrested a guy called Colin Stagg and

1:16:36

what they did was they did a case

1:16:38

of absolute adjunct provocateur and they

1:16:41

Stagg was a bit of an oddball and

1:16:44

had this fixation with sort

1:16:47

of like vampire sex and things like that.

1:16:49

It was a bit of an occultist or

1:16:51

whatever and they they highly

1:16:53

tracked him. They got an attractive woman

1:16:57

detective and they

1:17:00

shoved her into him in the prison

1:17:02

while he was on the man and

1:17:04

got to write these real leading letters

1:17:06

and got him to sort of they

1:17:09

manufactured what adjunct provocateur is. It's not

1:17:11

laid on. A drug dealer

1:17:13

is going to sell drugs to anyone so

1:17:16

that's it. If you then make someone

1:17:18

who isn't a drug dealer buy drugs,

1:17:20

you can buy them. That's adjunct provocateur.

1:17:22

A manufacturing situation that don't exist. And

1:17:25

this is what happened there. They manufactured it and

1:17:27

they got him caught up in this mad fantasy

1:17:29

and he went along with it. And

1:17:33

there were people saying it's not him. It's not

1:17:35

him and in fact a guy called Robert Nappa

1:17:37

had actually gone into the police and

1:17:40

said I've murdered and he murdered a

1:17:42

woman called Jacqueline Blissett. He said I've

1:17:44

murdered another woman and he was saying

1:17:46

it was Rachel O'Kell. But they weren't

1:17:48

interested because they had their sights stood

1:17:51

on Colin Stagg who later

1:17:53

sued them and it was a wrongful arrest. And

1:17:56

there was I think it then was

1:17:58

Binot. It was the chief officer. uh,

1:18:01

the SIOs, University of we

1:18:06

will never ever be looki Basically,

1:18:09

Sam, we know it's him.

1:18:13

And we've seen this i coaches

1:18:15

of justice, but th in

1:18:18

it, dude, it's been the season

1:18:20

one, that whole, th for

1:18:24

all the cases we comi Listen, everybody,

1:18:27

I'm j quick trailer for my

1:18:29

up an cloud series

1:18:31

whilst I run the

1:18:34

water bottle because t dry.

1:18:36

So I do believe it's Is

1:18:40

that right? Let me find a

1:18:43

half minutes. So two and after this quick

1:18:46

trailer, I'm hoping

1:18:48

to have on the of

1:18:51

july with a live stream the

1:18:54

friday covering the th which

1:18:57

is of course cannibal cannibal.

1:19:00

He was jailed fo He

1:19:04

built his whole life r to

1:19:06

be close to dead bodies about

1:19:10

his favorite ways of fun.

1:19:13

Two and a half minut Mhm.

1:19:33

Yeah. Yeah.

1:19:36

Yeah. Mhm. Mhm.

1:19:57

Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. I

1:20:03

was living with one foot on the

1:20:05

other side of the grave. I

1:20:09

was under the shadow of death

1:20:12

all my life. As

1:20:15

far as I can remember, even

1:20:17

as a child, I was obsessed

1:20:19

with graveyards. When I was a

1:20:22

very small child, I was obsessed

1:20:25

with stories

1:20:27

of vampires and things

1:20:29

I saw on television.

1:20:32

When I grew up and became a

1:20:35

young teenager, those thoughts

1:20:38

became less

1:20:40

rational. Maybe

1:20:42

I lost grasp with reality at

1:20:44

some point. Walking

1:20:48

inside graveyards and trying

1:20:51

to find ways to get inside

1:20:53

crypts and walking

1:20:56

down the catacombs and being

1:20:58

surrounded by those skulls and

1:21:01

the smell of decay around me.

1:21:03

All those things that I didn't

1:21:06

feel ill or

1:21:08

sad or depressed. I

1:21:11

felt that

1:21:14

I was somewhere where I belonged. Like

1:21:18

many socioparts, I am a control

1:21:20

freak. I like to control my

1:21:22

immediate surroundings. Because if I don't

1:21:24

control my immediate surroundings, I

1:21:26

lose balance. So

1:21:29

it's important for me to control everything more.

1:21:32

Having control helps me not to fall

1:21:35

into that dark pit. Just

1:21:59

your friendly neighborhood vampire cannibal killer.

1:22:01

It's coming soon July 8th. It's

1:22:04

a wild one. Interesting, interesting guy. Somebody

1:22:07

in the side chat just mentioned this

1:22:09

side-by-side comparison. Yeah, this for me, like

1:22:11

if this was, if for

1:22:14

some reason, they were there, like they'd

1:22:16

been a nuclear war and like society

1:22:18

had broke down and we

1:22:20

were rebuilding and there wasn't any electricity

1:22:23

and you walked in with this photograph,

1:22:25

okay, that would be enough proof

1:22:27

that that is your parent. That is, if, do

1:22:29

you know what I'm saying? If we were, if

1:22:31

we were brought back a few years, because

1:22:34

that this image is a madness to me. It's

1:22:37

a madness. So, yeah. There

1:22:40

was years ago, there was attempts by

1:22:42

people in the army to

1:22:45

try and pluck hairs from Harry

1:22:47

Hewitt from his head and

1:22:50

then try and do the same with Major

1:22:53

Hewitt, you know, and then compare them.

1:22:55

Yeah, but that's why there

1:22:57

was always a little team making sure that

1:23:00

no one was gonna try and remove his

1:23:02

whisker hair and things like that. Yeah, absolutely.

1:23:04

I think Julia's pointed out that we've just

1:23:06

missed a little bit of this recording. So,

1:23:09

we will happily finish that off. Julia's

1:23:11

the very least piece of you. I'm

1:23:13

really interested in, she's right. Thank

1:23:16

you. I kept her right with her pictures on Sunday.

1:23:18

She's keeping me right with this sound file today. We're

1:23:20

a good team here at the Atwood family. We're a

1:23:22

good team. Here we go. We're

1:23:25

not going to speak to you

1:23:28

again, okay? If you ring the

1:23:30

police again, because you, okay. One

1:23:33

last thing. We will not

1:23:35

speak to you again. If you ring the British

1:23:37

police or you go to

1:23:39

Leicester again, they will contact. Any

1:23:42

kind of contact will come back to

1:23:44

us, okay? We are operation grant, you

1:23:46

will come back to us. So, it's

1:23:49

pointless you making any more attempts to

1:23:51

contact the British police. Why? Also, if

1:23:54

you do go to Leicester again and you

1:23:56

do, you

1:23:58

know, they are fully aware of you now. they know

1:24:00

who you are and if if

1:24:03

I mean there's a there's a

1:24:05

fence is called harassment here if you cause

1:24:08

any harassment you could be arrested okay is

1:24:10

it a black male if I

1:24:12

will go there I will be yes it is blackmail

1:24:14

no no harassment when you are

1:24:16

doing something I'm saying that you black mainly

1:24:19

now no it

1:24:21

looks like it looks like because I don't

1:24:23

harass anyone I'm just giving

1:24:25

you advice now Julia I'm really sorry to have

1:24:28

to win you like this I know you don't

1:24:30

know because you just didn't check my DNA and

1:24:32

you admitted this yeah yeah and

1:24:34

now I need to finish the call okay I

1:24:36

will never give up this is something that I

1:24:38

want to tell you I know you won't okay

1:24:41

but you take care yeah okay bye take care

1:24:44

bye bye yeah

1:24:47

yeah thank you for reminding me of that

1:24:49

Julia um because what what

1:24:53

John you you will be done

1:24:55

for harassment harassment yeah and you

1:24:57

know she's right she hasn't harassed

1:24:59

anyone and if you go to

1:25:01

Leicester it's what the whole the

1:25:04

whole town of Leicester um and

1:25:06

they know about you again it's just they know

1:25:08

about you um who

1:25:10

who it's not the Leicestershire police dealing with

1:25:12

it it's a met police for some bizarre

1:25:14

reason the Moore's murders

1:25:16

who investigated the Moore's murders it was

1:25:19

West Yorkshire who investigated the Ripper inquiries

1:25:21

again it was Yorkshire you know one

1:25:23

of the uh what do they call

1:25:25

them there's um there's a name for

1:25:27

when it's out three counties um uh

1:25:31

ridings ridings that's what they

1:25:33

call it so

1:25:35

why why is this the met police uh

1:25:38

why have they got this governance um it's

1:25:40

got nothing to do with them at all

1:25:42

but it is a threat you can see

1:25:44

it's a threat if you ring the British

1:25:47

police you go to Leicester you

1:25:49

know we will know it's pointless it is

1:25:51

pointless um but if

1:25:54

we did if I just played you that part

1:25:56

of the tape right and you didn't know who

1:25:58

Julia was Would girl

1:26:02

wanting answers about her true origin

1:26:04

in the McCann case even

1:26:07

come to mind with how he was speaking

1:26:09

to that? How you speak to me,

1:26:12

like he's talking to some one

1:26:15

of his like informants or

1:26:17

something. Do you know what I mean? Like it's

1:26:19

that level of like, hey, I'm just giving you

1:26:21

some friendly advice here. If you know what I'm

1:26:23

saying, do you know what I mean? Yeah, because

1:26:26

he knows something. She doesn't. It's a bit like,

1:26:28

you know, when you want to go out somewhere as a kid

1:26:31

and it's a bit dangerous, you're not going there. Why not? Well,

1:26:33

just because right. And he's doing the same. He's

1:26:36

not giving her a reason why he just

1:26:39

saying just you're not doing it. And that's that

1:26:41

I'm not going to tell you why you're not

1:26:43

doing it. And like I said earlier, we

1:26:46

know you're not madly and he

1:26:48

knows something and he's not telling

1:26:50

that. And it's that is

1:26:52

what's getting me. He knows something. He's

1:26:54

not even making the effort to explain

1:26:57

it to her. He hasn't

1:26:59

at any point explained anything to her.

1:27:01

All he's done is really reiterate that

1:27:03

she is mentally ill. It's

1:27:07

all you know, it's almost like he

1:27:09

was just wanting sound bites. OK,

1:27:13

well, you know, I've got you in

1:27:15

2000 and whenever it was saying OK,

1:27:17

so that means, you know,

1:27:19

you've admitted to not. This

1:27:22

is where we got cut off and

1:27:24

I want to go on about this

1:27:26

thing called acquiescence because vulnerable people intimidated

1:27:29

and children will acquiesce. And you're right.

1:27:32

She hasn't by saying, OK, agreed to

1:27:34

his terms and conditions. She's just a

1:27:36

polite person. She's acknowledging words. Knowledgement

1:27:39

is right. She just responded in a

1:27:41

polite manner. So at no point should

1:27:44

they be construed as she's fully, fully accepting

1:27:46

the terms and conditions.

1:27:49

She is she generally is a

1:27:51

decent person. Yeah,

1:27:56

it's. She

1:27:58

is a really nice.

1:28:01

normal girl. Yeah, it's

1:28:03

absolutely harrowing story. And

1:28:06

then the Madeline

1:28:09

McCann harrowing story. Do

1:28:12

you see what I'm saying? There's so many segments

1:28:15

to Julia. I

1:28:18

think she's been as honest as she

1:28:22

knows from from a memory and everything else

1:28:24

is there's this psychic guy that

1:28:26

I think may have convinced

1:28:29

us somewhere along the line. A

1:28:32

bit a bit more of an influence than

1:28:34

what we know. And the police tend to know of

1:28:37

him. So I think we

1:28:39

if it was me, I'd need to know more about

1:28:41

his psychic guy, what he's told her. Sure.

1:28:45

And maybe her trauma is patching things

1:28:47

together, which is fully

1:28:49

consolidated. That's one way

1:28:51

of if I was if I was

1:28:54

to challenge Julia, if

1:28:56

I was interviewing her, I would I

1:28:58

would go back to a child and

1:29:00

to these basement and all things are

1:29:02

really, really go into detail. Then I'll

1:29:05

be looking at this psychic guy trying

1:29:07

to get as much information as we

1:29:09

can from there. I don't

1:29:12

think she's a liar at all. But

1:29:15

she has come from talk. However, he I do

1:29:18

think he is lying because

1:29:20

he's definitely withholding information that

1:29:23

we would need if we was

1:29:25

to. Here's the thing, John. Here's

1:29:27

the thing, especially when it comes

1:29:30

to things like psychics and people's

1:29:32

interpretations and beliefs. It's one

1:29:34

of those things. Are you correct with

1:29:36

what you're saying? Or are we are

1:29:39

we as Julia got one of the good ones? It's

1:29:41

one of those ones. And for me, I know what

1:29:43

I'd be doing. I'd be going straight down the same

1:29:45

line of thought as you are. And I'd be getting

1:29:47

out the cards with the shapes on them. I've him

1:29:50

sat in one room, me sat in the other. And

1:29:52

we'll see how many cards you can guess that I'm

1:29:54

holding up. Or I'd be putting some for a test.

1:29:57

There's a really brilliant bit of footage. the

1:30:00

British troops first went out to Afghanistan. Yeah.

1:30:03

And they had a massive problem with

1:30:05

opium getting taken across the border

1:30:07

and all this. And the

1:30:11

British forces went out there with the

1:30:13

sniffer dogs and they went out there

1:30:15

with other equipment to assist this

1:30:17

border patrol and they get this guy out and

1:30:19

they said we always use this man. And

1:30:22

he would turn up he was an old police

1:30:24

officer, and he would just put his

1:30:26

hand on their heart, look them in the eye and

1:30:29

ask them if they've got any

1:30:31

drugs in transit. And they

1:30:33

said he has never failed to deliver

1:30:35

this guy. What is it? But John,

1:30:37

I would argue that Darren

1:30:39

Brown could probably do that. And he says he's

1:30:42

not psychic. Yeah, yeah. Very

1:30:44

good at reading people. Very good

1:30:46

at reading people. But when they're

1:30:48

talking about dreamers. Well,

1:30:51

the thing is, it's an unquantifiable science and they

1:30:53

can say to him, well, how did you know?

1:30:55

Well, he had a knowing he just knew. So

1:31:01

when it comes to somebody like that, I'm not denying

1:31:03

that they could be a psychic. But to me, they

1:31:05

could very much be like Darren Brown. But

1:31:07

Julia's I'm pretty sure her psychic goes

1:31:09

through dreams now. Like

1:31:12

John, this is another one, right? Because

1:31:14

again, I stone cold believe

1:31:16

what I'm about to tell you, right. And

1:31:18

when I was a little boy growing up, I

1:31:21

fell victim to what is commonly

1:31:24

renowned as the shadow people. Science

1:31:26

calls it sleep paralysis. Okay. And

1:31:29

I had similar experiences that thousands

1:31:32

of people around the world have had. It's

1:31:35

a man in a hat. It's long thin

1:31:37

shadowy people. So for me,

1:31:41

when Julia starts talking about her psychic

1:31:43

having dreams, I know that there's

1:31:45

certain going on with dreams that we don't

1:31:48

understand. Of course. And again, I'm

1:31:50

not saying you're wrong or anything. I

1:31:52

again, it's the beauty of our dynamic,

1:31:54

John, right? Because you can be skeptical

1:31:56

things that I'm fully invested in and

1:31:59

vice versa. Also Julia as well, in

1:32:01

no way are we discrediting anything. We're

1:32:03

just sort of having an open discussion

1:32:06

here. But for

1:32:08

me, I'd be very

1:32:11

interested to find out more about

1:32:13

the psychic investigation, how

1:32:15

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so we get the DNA test. It's

1:33:11

the answer Julia doesn't want. Oh, the

1:33:13

sidekick's fake. Julia's flashbacks are fake.

1:33:15

All of this. No. There's

1:33:18

so many reasons from a psychic,

1:33:21

mystical realm that

1:33:23

we don't even understand why somebody may

1:33:25

be receiving information or have the memories

1:33:27

of someone else. It's not necessarily something

1:33:29

that at this stage I would dive

1:33:31

into on the Sean Atwood channel on

1:33:33

a serious topic like this, because a

1:33:36

lot of you will be like, Ron,

1:33:38

you're the mad one. And

1:33:40

I wouldn't actually criticize you

1:33:42

for thinking that because unless you're in

1:33:45

that realm of the

1:33:47

spiritual, the magical, the

1:33:49

mystical, right? A

1:33:51

lot of this will seem like nonsense to

1:33:54

a lot of you, especially when you're talking

1:33:56

about dream psychics, you know, but I'm fully

1:33:58

involved. I'm fully on board with that. that but

1:34:01

they have been used but they just

1:34:03

don't admit to it you know officially

1:34:05

I mean yeah officially yes but they

1:34:07

have been you know I can always

1:34:09

remember in the early 90s

1:34:12

there was a burger on went

1:34:14

off in an

1:34:16

era called the cloisters which is part of

1:34:18

Westminster Abbey now Westminster Abbey is I

1:34:21

think about 950 years

1:34:24

old and a burger alarm

1:34:26

went off so we

1:34:28

get called down there and the back

1:34:30

then at night you'd have the the dog van

1:34:32

would be floating around so there would go to

1:34:34

any suspects on as we used to call them

1:34:37

calls so we went

1:34:39

down turned up this

1:34:41

cloisters area and the dog van turned

1:34:43

up as well and a guy

1:34:45

said well it's a big area and should

1:34:47

we put the dog in there anyway the

1:34:49

the guard came out and he said oh

1:34:51

yeah it goes off quite a

1:34:53

bit in there he said he's haunted he

1:34:56

said people have seen loads of weird

1:34:58

stuff going on at night that that

1:35:00

that little one there's really really haunted

1:35:02

so the fella said well we'll put

1:35:05

the dog in there well they open

1:35:07

the door to this this little area

1:35:09

it's like a little canteen area and

1:35:11

the dog just was screaming it wouldn't go

1:35:14

in and it was it was like you

1:35:16

know when dogs dig their heels in and they walk

1:35:18

backwards it was he could not get

1:35:20

this dog in there it was going mad and

1:35:22

it turned round and it actually bit the dog

1:35:24

counter in the end and he said we're

1:35:27

not putting it in there we can't because a

1:35:29

dog there was something in there that dog would

1:35:32

not go into that building and

1:35:34

that was that oh yeah sorry yeah

1:35:36

yeah no way are we saying in

1:35:39

any way that there hasn't been

1:35:41

credible psychic stuff and in no way

1:35:44

discredit in any psychics but for

1:35:46

all of yous who are gifted you

1:35:48

know that there are cold

1:35:50

readers okay and I think

1:35:53

a big percent percentage of the charlatans

1:35:55

are just clever cold readers but

1:35:58

trust me ladies and gentlemen when I

1:36:00

say I am fully invested in that

1:36:02

realm at 100 percent and

1:36:05

even even John's, you know,

1:36:07

open to the credible side of it.

1:36:11

Yeah. I am open to it.

1:36:13

Yeah. Without a doubt. And

1:36:15

I say I have I have used them in

1:36:17

a civilian capacity. The police

1:36:19

would never entertain it. But yeah. Yeah.

1:36:23

So just to show you we're in no way discredit

1:36:25

in what Julia is saying. We're in no way discredit

1:36:27

in the person she's involved with. Or at least I'm

1:36:29

not John's own person. I'm not saying anything that he

1:36:31

has. But you will. The

1:36:34

the the

1:36:37

the death that deals with the incoming calls for

1:36:39

these inquiries will get hit with

1:36:42

nutters that claim to, you

1:36:44

know, Elvis president is telling them where this

1:36:47

is. Of course. Of

1:36:49

course. And they have. And

1:36:51

again, I guess that's where the

1:36:54

problem lies for for

1:36:56

a lot of these people to get credibility. But

1:36:58

I mean, I I've had my own experiences

1:37:01

with it's

1:37:03

mainly the cards, right? The

1:37:06

Tarot's and Oracle cards.

1:37:10

They are freaky for me. And

1:37:12

it's what you believe in. You know, I'm

1:37:14

a hardcore pagan. You're

1:37:17

a man of a man of Jesus. You

1:37:19

know, you know what I'm saying? A few hundred

1:37:21

years ago, we would have met on the ballot

1:37:23

of battlefield and knocked lumps out of each other.

1:37:27

Yeah. Well, depending who was who

1:37:29

was in parliament. Yeah. Would

1:37:31

have been burned. You know, one of

1:37:33

us, me, me, I would have been

1:37:35

OK. I would. You

1:37:38

know, John, most of my mum's mother's side

1:37:40

is Irish and her whole bloodline was almost

1:37:42

wiped off the face of the earth because

1:37:44

the women were all burnt for being witches.

1:37:48

Yeah. I

1:37:51

did some research into Matthew

1:37:54

Hopkins and the witch

1:37:56

trials. I forget I did a podcast

1:37:58

with someone and they were. genuine

1:38:00

thing and it was what they were based

1:38:02

on them and it

1:38:04

tied in with the ritual

1:38:06

abuse, you know, because

1:38:08

I do speak to a lot

1:38:11

of survivors of ritual abuse and a lot of

1:38:13

this I mean some of the things I've never

1:38:15

really put it out there but I've

1:38:18

been told that there are manifestations people

1:38:20

have seen giant creatures

1:38:23

emerge in a real part

1:38:25

of a ritual

1:38:27

that goes on with the blood is there one

1:38:30

fellow said that the main wizard

1:38:32

or warlock he turned into this enormous

1:38:35

20-foot beast. A

1:38:38

lot of things I've heard it all and you

1:38:40

know and they say to me it's real John,

1:38:42

it's real. Listen and

1:38:45

this is the thing John, right, I

1:38:47

can testament that it is real because you've

1:38:50

heard about the evil side of it all

1:38:52

right and how real that is. Yeah. Oh

1:38:54

trust me, there's a good

1:38:56

side too okay there's nice

1:38:59

things that can be summoned and worked with

1:39:01

and all of this kind of stuff and

1:39:03

there's a big gray area too there's a

1:39:05

lot of fence sitting entities but I'll be

1:39:08

honest with you there is a good side

1:39:10

to all of not the horrible

1:39:12

stuff it sounds like what I'm saying is

1:39:14

a good side to the horrible stuff what

1:39:16

I'm saying is for all the evil stories

1:39:18

you hear about rituals and all of this

1:39:20

there's a whole other end of it where

1:39:22

believe it or not no one's sacrificed no

1:39:24

one's being pulled apart do you

1:39:26

see what I mean and it really gets looked

1:39:29

in. I say I had an

1:39:31

informant and he claimed to be a

1:39:35

healer psychic healer energy healer whatever but

1:39:37

he said that he would do work

1:39:40

for the intelligence services and

1:39:42

when you look at Aleister Crowley

1:39:45

it was him and Churchill that

1:39:47

got the witchcraft act

1:39:49

repealed so

1:39:53

you know they worked together Churchill

1:39:55

and Crowley Winston Churchill was massively

1:39:57

into the occult hugely into

1:39:59

it. and he

1:40:01

used the Crowley-esque type

1:40:04

religion to do it. And

1:40:06

then there was the infamous case

1:40:08

of the cloud over Dunkirk, where

1:40:10

all the witches and that got

1:40:13

together and they summons this fog

1:40:16

to go out over the beaches of

1:40:19

Northern France, Dunkirk, when the British

1:40:21

troops came in. Yeah, it's

1:40:23

a documented case. Here's

1:40:26

the thing, we'll swerve back

1:40:28

in a second, right? Because

1:40:31

there's another case of mass

1:40:33

thought that went on and

1:40:35

it was to do with violent crime. And I

1:40:37

think it was Chicago, but

1:40:40

a group of mediums every day for a month sat

1:40:43

in a specific place. So that, I think

1:40:46

there was 200 of them and they were

1:40:48

however many miles apart or whatever. So they

1:40:50

covered the whole of Chicago in a circle

1:40:52

effectively, right? And they collectively

1:40:54

lowered violent crime throughout a summer

1:40:56

by like 20%. And

1:40:59

the police chief couldn't explain it. None of them could

1:41:01

explain it, but this was a documented

1:41:04

experiment. So collective thought

1:41:07

has an impact. Listen, we are really

1:41:09

going by a few. When

1:41:12

you look at the documentary that

1:41:14

I'm doing with underground films, what we put

1:41:16

together, we've got three interviews from

1:41:19

Chris Lambriano, which is seen as

1:41:21

one of the most dangerous criminals

1:41:25

the UK had. The system can change in

1:41:27

double-K, totally changed. And that was

1:41:30

Jesus, the Holy Spirit did that. You've

1:41:32

got Stephen French, AKA the devil. The

1:41:34

devil, yeah. Okay, totally changed around. And

1:41:36

this guy called S. Kitella, who basically

1:41:38

run the East End of modern day,

1:41:41

proper enforcer, totally changed around. And all

1:41:43

these guys do now is help people.

1:41:46

The system couldn't do it. The

1:41:48

justice system, nothing could, Jesus

1:41:51

did it. So it's the same thing. There

1:41:55

is this other side of it, this

1:41:57

spiritual side. And it says we fight

1:41:59

not to do it. against flesh and

1:42:01

blood the prequence but against principalities and

1:42:03

wickedness in high places did you just

1:42:05

did you just whip out some scripture

1:42:07

did you just whip out some scripture

1:42:09

i did i

1:42:13

felt that i felt my ears starting to burn do

1:42:17

you know i mean but you know it's

1:42:19

it's interesting that it says about you

1:42:21

know wickedness in high places i think

1:42:23

this is what we're seeing with this

1:42:25

case it's wickedness in high places oh

1:42:28

in every one of these cases i don't

1:42:30

know why i'm so red this evening everybody okay

1:42:33

i look like a recovering alcoholic i

1:42:35

promise this is not gin it's

1:42:37

just water i

1:42:40

think this is really interesting because um

1:42:44

when i first did did this

1:42:46

and my opinion hasn't changed but

1:42:49

you know when i'm willing to

1:42:51

entertain um julia's narrative

1:42:53

and and i genuinely think that

1:42:55

the british police should be listening

1:42:58

to her yeah and and affording

1:43:00

her um the right to

1:43:02

get her dna tested and and i you know

1:43:04

i really do and i think that that's what

1:43:06

they should be doing and they're not doing it

1:43:09

um and i'm with you um when i first heard

1:43:11

of it i think oh just quite

1:43:14

not at all after meeting with her and all

1:43:16

that not not at all and

1:43:18

it's um and this is

1:43:20

what having having an open mind and

1:43:23

it does for you you know you

1:43:25

you've got to look at both sides

1:43:27

you've got i completely

1:43:29

do you know i'm so confident if you've not

1:43:31

seen the sunday's episode go

1:43:33

and recorrupt your brain and spend

1:43:36

10 minutes seeing what the media

1:43:38

say about julia recorrupt

1:43:40

yourself then go and watch last

1:43:42

week's episode and if you're not

1:43:45

if you've not done a 180 on your impression

1:43:48

of julia right i'll be shocked

1:43:50

and if you've not realigned what

1:43:52

you think the priorities in her

1:43:54

case are i'll be shocked because

1:43:56

the truth for her is paramount

1:44:00

But look how dangerous the media can be. You

1:44:03

look at people like Colin Stagg. He

1:44:05

wasn't someone you'd instantly adhere to. He was

1:44:07

someone that lives on the fringe of society.

1:44:10

He had bizarre belief systems, which could be

1:44:12

classed as being a cultic and vampiric and

1:44:14

a bit odd and things like that. So

1:44:17

it was easy for the press to denigrate

1:44:19

this guy. He went to

1:44:21

prison. He must have had a really tough

1:44:23

time in prison, you know, and he's just

1:44:26

a bit of an oddball. He's probably quite

1:44:28

a soft individual. And then to go into

1:44:30

this awful world for such a

1:44:32

high profile, a vile murder

1:44:34

must have been they did the

1:44:37

same to poor Stefan Kitchko. They

1:44:40

portrayed him as being a pervert,

1:44:42

a weirder. He got battered for

1:44:44

15 years every single day.

1:44:46

He survived enough to clear his name.

1:44:48

Then he died. His mum died the

1:44:50

day he got released. I think the

1:44:52

next day she died. And then he

1:44:54