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4:43

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4:46

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4:49

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4:52

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4:57

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5:26

Our sub stein.

5:27

Welcome to show man thank you so

5:30

I believe there is somewhat of an

5:32

energy war going on in between

5:35

throughout the world and with

5:37

them with the rising prices and seal

5:40

and electricity and everything that they saw it as

5:42

do with fossil fuels which.

5:44

is also Driving inflation

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added: "You'll be the perfect guest

5:48

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5:51

so you are in.

5:54

The energy Sarah's slash philosopher.

5:57

You're the author of two books. newest

6:00

one come on out May,

6:02

twenty fourth he got fossil

6:04

future, and dumb

6:07

so go pick up a copy of. this

6:09

and die you're the person

6:13

Founder of the Center for

6:15

Industrial Progress So,

6:18

Yeah welcome to the so I'm really.

6:21

looking forward of setting is like were at the perfect

6:23

moment to discuss this

6:25

issue this happen to have a book coming out but i think

6:27

it's really that the sister pivotal

6:29

moment in terms of our country's history as

6:32

it relates to energy did you to timeless

6:35

perfectly or has just one has

6:37

which my publisher be the first to tell you is

6:40

They. Would consider me a perfectionist

6:42

I would just say had a certain vision for the

6:45

book and, I kept thinking

6:47

it would be three months away from couple

6:49

your first home. Our reserves

6:51

going to revise my first book, the Moral Case

6:53

for Fossile Fuels, and then just thought,

6:56

well, I've learned ten times as much know much

6:58

more about the. Issue, everything

7:00

has changed in the world some just gonna totally redo

7:02

it and do something much, better and

7:05

yet so it ended up there were supposed to take two. Months at

7:07

the beginning and then it took. three years so

7:10

it happens to be that everything

7:13

i was predicting when everything was writing the book

7:16

Turns out has come true, so

7:18

the book it has a lot of warnings about,

7:20

you know, look, if you follow these bad

7:23

policies you're gonna have energy crisis. The

7:25

now it coming out during the energy crisis it

7:27

talks about, so it's even more. The

7:30

A big could even more that clearly

7:32

true to the reader, for there's no speculations

7:34

when I predicted, and when talk about is already

7:36

happening in Europe and Enix and clearly get much

7:39

worse, how long have you been working

7:41

on this book? The northern

7:43

the issue for fish. Teen years really

7:45

think of it as a mean book is just as just

7:48

way of communicating something I've been thinking about

7:50

this issue of energy and.

7:52

how to think about it in pro

7:54

human way which they think something will come up the like how

7:56

do you think about think about way that's really focused on

7:59

advance

8:00

Then. Human life around the world, which I

8:02

think actually most energy thinking is not

8:04

focused on, even though pretends to be and,

8:06

and also, how do you look at what call? The full context

8:09

so looking when you're looking at say fossil fuels

8:11

and alternatives, you look carefully at the benefits

8:14

and the negative side effects, whereas think there's

8:16

a tendency to. Day to just look at the negative

8:18

side effects of fossil fuels and nuclear,

8:21

for that matter, and then only look at the benefits

8:24

of solar and wind, so that's why. I

8:26

think it's relevant that I'm a philosopher by background

8:28

as I'm, very obsessed with before

8:30

I start thinking about something what's

8:32

the message and fuck why called

8:35

the framework. That I'm going to use to

8:37

think about the issue and think if used

8:39

my basic idea is if you think about an hour pros human

8:41

weights and you really look. At the full context

8:43

it's actually obvious that the world needs more

8:45

fossil fuels even though that's one hundred eighty degrees

8:48

opposite, to what we're told, the

8:51

air can't. Wait to die them, but, first

8:54

every guess it's

8:56

a gift already got, some gummy bears.

8:59

well and

9:02

i guess is any guess

9:04

as to what's in here

9:05

It. Is there a different gift for every gets oh

9:08

there's clever know you never know

9:10

what it's gonna be why,

9:12

don't you knew that I was introduced to when you? Would

9:14

have procured a gift from know, doesn't

9:18

feel like oil like do know you're in

9:20

fossil fuels you do Norman Foster

9:22

the outside have figured out a, hassle. To,

9:25

the hospital'so so

9:28

I yearn for ya me voy, our gummy

9:30

bears are those are fry the last

9:32

ones are the stash oh my god

9:34

now for least for. A while but can

9:36

I get to consumers after the book tour for

9:39

the bit of a dysfunctional by like I'm

9:41

some muscle just eat all, of them for that wow?

9:44

Thank you them either one of course the packaging

9:47

made, fossil fuels that's, right answer

9:49

and they were deliver where

9:52

I put that's. what i put my boss is going

9:55

to throw yeah just throw pines of wherever

9:57

you want everyone to put your guests are

10:00

Thank you for a job or,

10:02

itself. once again

10:04

fossil future of it's already

10:06

an amazon best seller and

10:09

it It's good

10:11

it's already creating controversy

10:14

was in Washington Post already

10:16

personally attacked your try to get to cancel

10:18

the what was that wanna.

10:20

go into that at all

10:22

Yeah he just I had his think it's

10:24

useful for people to be able to put themselves in the

10:26

position of visitors imagine know most

10:28

of our authors but imagine you are you write a book

10:31

it's. like okay your publicist sends

10:33

of the book to Different.

10:37

Outlets rather than the Washington Post is

10:39

major outlets, of course it makes sense that they're going

10:41

to do that's what you don't expect

10:43

as I got woke up on. Monday morning and my publicist

10:46

says hey look at Wash first ascent as

10:48

an outline of a piece they're going to release

10:50

on Wednesday this is my Monday and.

10:52

they they're saying as saying courtesy they'll allow

10:55

you to comment and so the peace

10:57

is peace is an outline with quotes

11:00

accusing me of being racist

11:03

Rating that because I'm racist

11:05

he shouldn't listen to my views on fossil fuels

11:08

so. "I knew I wasn't

11:11

a racist", says and also. That.

11:13

How you argue against book on fossil fuels

11:16

is like you call someone racist like I knew this

11:18

is a hit piece right and then I look into it and.

11:20

What they did is that they work with

11:22

a group called "documented and

11:24

document", as is not about documenting it's about

11:27

destroying so what they do as they try to look

11:29

up. Your whole past everything

11:31

you've ever done or creative, and then find something

11:33

controversial, so my case

11:35

when I was a freshman and sophomore at Duke

11:37

University, I wrote some very

11:39

individualist. Article, though, am says individualist

11:42

articles about the issue of culture,

11:45

and said specifically that regarded Western

11:47

culture as superior because

11:49

it is the culture that valued individuals

11:52

regardless. Of skin color and

11:54

gave them freedom, and argued that everyone

11:56

around the world should emulate this

11:59

but in the Washington. Worked to Worldview,

12:01

this is racist, even though it's the opposite.

12:04

Then. briefest and was very queer bullet they did

12:06

as they took, they took various things

12:08

and then they got some academics to say yes,

12:11

this is racist and says in the.

12:13

Idea is, imagine, you know, it is not

12:15

good, it's really bad to

12:17

be called a racist in general, but

12:19

by the Washington Post, one of the most powerful

12:21

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12:24

that could easily get pressure put on the publisher

12:26

to cancel the books, resellers

12:29

can see how I don't want to sell this a book by

12:31

this racist threatened. To once it's once

12:33

you have store that washing poster saying you're racist

12:35

and literally using that language that

12:37

is very dangerous thing to have out there

12:40

now and I. have heard

12:42

our just what am i gonna do about

12:44

this because this thought okay what happens

12:47

if comment to the author

12:50

If. I will clearly the story is intended

12:52

to destroy me that in one understand mates and

12:54

so if give them a comment they'll either ignore it or they'll

12:56

just manga let's. And distorted like

12:58

they deserve everything else, so I knew that wouldn't work

13:01

and what if say no comment than until we reached

13:03

out to Alex Epstein for comments and he? Had nothing

13:05

to say. And. Then I'm also endorsing

13:07

the store so, like, no matter what did and the conventional

13:10

way of responding, would be endorsing

13:12

the stories thought, okay, the only thing I. Can

13:14

do is I'm going to publicly

13:17

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13:19

gonna tell the world hates there is a hit

13:21

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13:23

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13:25

Council meets and the Washington

13:27

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13:29

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13:31

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16:07

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16:10

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16:12

could. Not watch this video and think there was

16:14

any any, credibility this piece

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and got it was pretty viral that two million

16:18

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friend michael shellenberger is running for governor

16:23

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16:25

he mentioned it on joe rogan show so got

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16:29

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16:34

wasn't publish rights to the public A

16:36

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16:38

stripped of about ninety percent of the bad

16:40

stuff including there's no references to

16:42

racism so. i really consider to

16:44

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16:46

this hit piece that was really going to try to cancel

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16:50

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16:52

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16:55

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17:04

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17:06

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17:08

there's the question of why are they doing this and think

17:10

because. they're afraid they'll get

17:13

that's good knowledge for everybody to have a so

17:15

yeah obviously i was become was martyr

17:18

more of a thing as far away spent time on

17:20

it because it had seen other people

17:22

with the so sometimes someone gets cancelled and

17:24

they did lot of stuff wrong that's different kind of

17:26

situation but here it's like it's was hundred percent

17:28

clear i did not do what they said

17:30

in this was totally unjust and

17:33

know that happens to lot of people need to sort of wait

17:35

for the story to come out They try

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to fight enter the shoe, the people once it's out

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in a huge institution, it's out. That's

17:41

really there, were they going to printer attack for traction

17:43

on page thirty know the month? The

17:46

OR and some obscure portion of parents,

17:48

their website, yes, I wanted to try

17:50

this idea, and fortunately worked and say

17:52

did, wanted to provide a model for other

17:55

victims of these unjust cancellation

17:57

attempts.

18:00

The only person I know this beaten up that's

18:02

incredible the, other thing

18:05

wanted to bring up as the found out that

18:07

some the Chinese it's contact

18:09

issue, and they wanted

18:12

days not. all day

18:14

with they wanted to They

18:17

wanted you to redact a lot of the stuff in your book

18:19

correct yeah so I gotta a,

18:22

quote unquote generous offer from

18:24

a state owned Chinese publisher.

18:28

into the way it works as

18:30

It. Will Further was reluctant publishing trying

18:32

to at all because I was asking, like, what can the government

18:34

like the government's gonna look over there may contain stuff

18:37

in what's with spoke? The State On Publisher

18:39

beat me to to, they had several sections of the book.

18:42

Guess what receptions that are critical of China

18:44

and called it a dictatorship the doesn't respect

18:47

rights and in some cases called it threat

18:50

and. they said like basically we suggests

18:53

the leading this That

18:55

said no. I'm here

18:57

I'm not publishing with your an upset.

19:00

Then and yeah, you to think about? How?

19:04

The only notable of have this. And

19:07

I do is pretty straightforward right but you don't

19:09

want to participate in a regime

19:11

that is engaged in the censorship of ideas

19:14

what unusual would normally notable

19:16

is that it's so rare that people do this we.

19:19

have so many businesses that are just the have no

19:22

There's no real. Principles

19:25

to them, I guess, is like if you're in the business

19:28

of ideas. Like

19:30

a ideas only work if you're allowed

19:32

to express them openly

19:34

and discuss them openly. It.

19:36

Can't be that somebody gets to say no this aspect,

19:39

I don't want to talk about a minute ago, I could make a lot

19:41

of money and they will be getting all. The idea for this is,

19:43

like, know, I want to be clear, this is not

19:45

an acceptable way to run governments

19:48

and this government in particular is. believe,

19:51

in many ways hostile now, there are praised

19:53

Shrine and certain ways for doing more rational

19:55

things on energy than we do, so think

19:57

it's very possible the book couldn't become a math.

20:00

The best seller in. china

20:02

but china just want to be clear with the people of china

20:04

like those of you who wants and

20:06

there are many good people in china those of you who like care

20:08

about freedom and certainly the people in

20:10

taiwan like taiwan stand with you

20:12

with do not stand with this government now

20:16

Where to put a man, I can just

20:18

can't believe how many waves as creating

20:20

all right this just this just as even

20:22

come out now right says the fear

20:25

and others this kind of interesting issue why

20:27

did this happen? because the

20:29

washington post

20:31

Like they invested a bunch of resources

20:33

to do this piece. Matt.

20:35

Ryan and so, in lot of people watching this probably

20:37

most of watching this have never heard of me says, like,

20:40

"Why are you going after selling they're

20:42

going after Jordan?" Peterson or something I mean I'm sure

20:44

they have a word in different ways but

20:46

it's not it's not an obvious person to

20:48

go after famer's famous congressperson

20:51

on, basic what? What they've started to pick

20:53

up on his I've been having lot of

20:55

influence the world of energy

20:58

that starting to become know nationally and

21:00

in particular work. With lot of

21:02

elected officials and staff and

21:04

there have been couple of stories about how my messaging

21:07

has been used by them and how I'm trying

21:09

to influence their. Policy and having some success

21:11

and I think that's great you know want those

21:13

stories out there think. because of

21:16

this is part of my life's work as i'm trying to have

21:18

better thinking about energy it's better ways

21:20

to talk about it and better policies

21:23

but That's. Great

21:25

but what worries the existing side

21:28

is, come at it from a very

21:30

like logical and pro science

21:32

perspective and part of my perspective

21:34

as I do believe. That fossil fuels c

21:36

o two emissions impact climate, and

21:38

they want to cast everyone who opposes

21:40

them as a so called climate change, denier

21:44

whereas my view is that. The benefits

21:46

of fossil fuels far outweigh

21:48

any negatives of their climate impacts

21:50

just like you know good prescription drugs

21:53

the benefits far outweigh the negatives of any.

21:55

side effects and they don't have an answer

21:57

for that that's the bottom line like when you

22:00

Look. At the full context of fossil fuels, they're

22:02

incredibly positive and they don't

22:04

have an answer to this, but their whole

22:06

identity is around fossil fuels be

22:09

evil, so what they really. Hate is

22:11

somebody who's logical and pro science

22:13

and articulate and starting to be influential

22:16

like they don't want that, and that's

22:18

why they pulled the racism card herbs

22:21

and spices so. It to go to

22:23

play on everything that they don't want.

22:26

to science tonight rights of eight days with the problem

22:28

is they couldn't use science deny are very

22:30

well because i'm Clearly not

22:32

that so but yeah that

22:35

the so racism fled like oh

22:37

this guy wrote some things and it mentioned

22:39

skin color so maybe we can twist it somehow

22:41

to be now. that has but

22:44

once you pointed out it's absurd No

22:46

but if you don't pointed out and you let them do

22:48

it and you react and again it's problem for.

22:51

moving on You're talking

22:53

about.

22:54

I want to go into the green new deal,

22:57

the green initiatives and

22:59

help me and my audience understand

23:01

that a little bit better's and.

23:04

Sheridan, give a great explanation on that them

23:06

will move into the bad as fossil

23:08

fuels and all the stuff that that.

23:10

The initiative is overlooking so

23:13

could. you just

23:14

Give us an overview of Green New Deal

23:16

Brain Initiative build back

23:18

better yeah for sure so I think that

23:20

like the green new deal is.

23:23

a term that her captures

23:25

the current leading global

23:28

energy agenda right now and

23:30

i think that the

23:31

Then. The broadest way to put it is

23:33

it's see rapid elimination of

23:35

fossil fuels that's really the goal

23:37

and the in Europe or in a little bit more precisely

23:40

it's it's. The rapid elimination of

23:42

C o two emissions of greenhouse gas emissions

23:44

Francesa C o two emissions to, that's

23:46

the main greenhouse gas self involved

23:48

here so The basic

23:51

view is.

23:53

The O two emissions from fossil fuels are

23:56

quote destroying the planet through

23:58

catastrophic climate. And and

24:00

so we need to rapidly eliminate them, so

24:03

that's kind of step one. Then

24:06

interesting, I want to highlight, stepped through,

24:08

and this goes to the green in green new

24:10

deal step to his: "We need to replace

24:13

them specifically with solar

24:15

and wind" overwhelmingly. Solar

24:17

and wind, specifically with green energy,

24:19

has been a highlight that for second because you

24:21

couldn't believe that we faced

24:24

catastrophic climate change from C.O. two emissions

24:27

and you could. Be open to all alternatives

24:29

regardless of whether they were classified as greener,

24:31

not, for example, you'd be open to nuclear and

24:33

hydro, which nuclear is almost never

24:36

considered green and hot. Hydra these days is

24:38

rarely concern great, so

24:40

I just want to point out this, this is substrate

24:42

people as weird that we care so

24:44

much about C.O. two emissions and.

24:46

Yet we insist on just the

24:48

sun and the way. We're not willing

24:50

to split the atom. The drama river.

24:53

And what are just as a preview

24:55

like what I think it's going on there is.

24:58

for them green as a religious

25:00

idea it's the idea that

25:03

our impact on the planet is immoral

25:06

And so we should eliminate all of our impact

25:08

on the planet that's really what green means that

25:10

the correlate minimize or eliminate impact.

25:13

and i think that they think of the sun

25:15

and the wind is natural and so what it's

25:17

really about as about more natural world

25:19

it's not it's not about Not.

25:22

Specifically about eliminate the problems caused by

25:24

fossil fuels but still have really good energy, it's

25:26

really about a more natural way of life and

25:28

I think that's the only thing. That can explain

25:30

why they're so hostile: the nuclear and hydro,

25:33

which don't emit seo tooth and are much

25:35

more practical. An

25:37

unsuccessful in practice, then solar

25:39

and better the basic sort of the core

25:41

of it, so it's like your eliminating the C.O. two emissions

25:44

and then, and then, you're replacing it with overwhelmingly.

25:47

Then. "Word went and so when you saw the green

25:49

new deal in the U. S., this was exactly

25:52

what they did, it was all about we're going to eliminate our

25:54

emissions were" Going on them it around the world and we're

25:56

going to build up the solar and wind economy and

25:58

a particularly like. The specifically

26:00

excluded nuclear. The

26:03

original documents are there different diluted versions

26:05

of that but the thing to highlight as

26:08

this. is the dominant energy agenda

26:10

in the world Right now, I mean

26:12

it. At least the kind of long term

26:14

energy gender if you look at everyone's plans at

26:16

the moment pursuing this agenda

26:19

has led to a total disaster sir right now

26:21

everyone is scrambling for fossil fuels like.

26:23

joe biden ran on i guarantee

26:25

you we will and fossil fuels This.

26:28

Is a couple years ago now he's begging every

26:30

dictator in the world for fossil fuels and he is

26:32

pretending that he's done nothing against also

26:34

feels like is because people are. upset about

26:37

gasoline prices, so there's the short

26:39

term seems to focus

26:41

on fossil fuels but still every government

26:43

says by twenty fifty, which is just twenty

26:45

eight years from now we" Need to eliminate

26:48

our emissions and replace and mostly

26:50

replace it with, Green Energy

26:52

says it's important at this the number one

26:54

energy idea in the world and to take.

26:56

One step further it's actually the number one moral

26:58

idea of are now so if you take say.

27:01

any big company like big would challenge

27:03

you to name company That does not

27:05

have net zero by twenty six eagle. The

27:08

apple. Google. Facebook

27:11

car companies, oil companies

27:13

have net I mean you could ask how that is possible,

27:15

but that's the one do want to asks "How

27:17

is this possible, how do they? Actually have

27:20

a realistic plan on how this is going to happen,

27:22

know, so let me just wondering about the so it's

27:24

just it's universal everyone believes

27:26

this are, not everyone. Believes this

27:28

but the leading institutions and many

27:31

of the leading thinkers the world say that our number

27:33

one priority of any area in the world.

27:36

is to rapidly eliminate fossil

27:38

fuel use and c o two emissions and replace it with

27:40

green energy And for answer your question.

27:44

You might bring oh wow that must have an amazing plan,

27:47

but. Nine hundred is any plan and

27:49

particular the oil companies are

27:51

are. It's particularly

27:53

farcical. That they will do that,

27:56

I mean, one of the way they do it that

27:58

meets the dishonesty of the stuff is. Really.

28:00

staggering one way they do it is,

28:02

they only look at the emissions

28:05

they cause but not that they're consumers

28:08

cause and they say we're net zero like

28:10

oh. Well, so producing what

28:13

the energy it takes to produce oil, is

28:15

a lot less than the energy it takes to consume

28:17

oil like most of that emissions the

28:19

come from. Oil or for from us using

28:22

oil right like to drive cars and other

28:24

vehicles, and to make petroleum products

28:26

and bags for your gummy bears and stuff like that right

28:28

that's. That's where most the emissions conference

28:30

drilling for oil has some emissions but not as

28:33

many so what they'll say as well we're. gonna we're

28:35

gonna use somehow and we're not

28:37

going and bit as much drilling for it and we're gonna

28:39

plants and trees somewhere which is called offering

28:41

which are the tournament that but they're ignoring the

28:43

fact that their whole product A

28:46

meeting a lot of seo to sit there and

28:48

this is one example among many they're

28:50

all these different deceptions that,

28:53

companies do to claim that they're close to

28:55

net zero now but I would argue that

28:57

the reality is. eighty percent of

28:59

the world's energy as fossil fuels That

29:01

one. It's growing particularly

29:04

in the places that care most about low cost

29:06

energy such as China and,

29:09

then fact that then next fact is.

29:11

the world is still very

29:13

poor in terms of energy so there

29:15

are three billion people in the world who are using

29:18

less electricity than one of our refrigerators

29:21

Users. The gum entered again

29:23

fossils eighty percent growing

29:25

in an energy starved world to the

29:27

idea that we're going to get off that and

29:29

by the solar and wind three percent. Totally

29:33

dependent on fossil fuels are some other

29:35

reliable power because they're what's called intermittent

29:38

they don't go consistently so they need hundred

29:40

percent Ah system.

29:42

sauce the idea that this is gonna so

29:44

it's what's weird is the number one moral

29:46

idea in the world The on it's face

29:49

should seem completely impractical.

29:53

And in would argue it is how.

29:56

come Like don't

29:58

understand how anybody can think. Then. The

30:00

only solar and only when. Going

30:03

to is got a power the entire.

30:06

Everything and we just saw that

30:08

gas the last one or and Texas

30:10

up with that was last one left and twenty

30:12

one and that was.

30:15

Solar wasn't work and wind turbines

30:17

when frozen and people

30:19

to lot of people died in.

30:21

well

30:22

The interesting says what's

30:24

as the broader idea they have is there a kind

30:26

of to poo. broader

30:29

ideas and the important and say by post

30:31

these ideas is bees have

30:33

worked in exactly zero places

30:35

so these are all I would say wild

30:37

speculation about the future but they're at least speculation

30:40

about the future and. again or twenty

30:42

eight years the weapon from what they say

30:45

There's going to it. The happening

30:47

right so this is again, he should be of

30:50

my view as if you really look at all the taxes should

30:52

be viewed as a crackpot's idea

30:54

that you're going to do this, but their argument as one

30:56

is we're going to build enough batteries.

30:59

Who? So. That

31:01

you can we, you can build so many solar panels

31:03

and wind turbines, and then so much battery

31:05

capacity that when the sun

31:07

is shining in the wind is blowing A. Lot you,

31:09

charge up the batteries and

31:11

then when you go to go through alone when there's

31:13

not much sunlight are not much wins then

31:16

you eat or you deploy the. Energy from

31:18

the batters, so who's

31:20

up who's making all these vast

31:22

wealth of us wealth chance but that's

31:26

Whoever makes them even like it, you

31:28

know the slave labor that involves lot

31:30

of six so I ran the numbers on this is

31:32

Elon Musk whom have a kind of mixed

31:35

relationship with because I admire a lot about

31:37

him but he's also something. else

31:39

has lot of the stuff and is also

31:41

When he blocked me on Twitter for saying something

31:43

very true which is that his car is a good fossil

31:46

fuel car what, about or car

31:48

is? but

31:52

He said he said you know oh the

31:54

whole world to be powered by solar panels

31:57

or. and tesla batteries Like

31:59

you. Is he likes to say things that I've never

32:01

been done are easy and? so i just

32:04

ran the numbers on what would it take for

32:06

arm For three days of

32:08

backup for the world's, which you would want a lot

32:10

of backup because you can pull seasons, were sun

32:12

and wind or love relatively speaking

32:14

like the winter in Germany will have lot of those loss

32:17

and it's four hundred trillion

32:19

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33:56

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33:58

batteries were. Though

34:01

that's like for ensuring dollars, as many times

34:03

does all the income of the entire world.

34:06

The religious for powder physically and get since

34:08

it's a total crazy thing there's no,

34:11

and then the other thing that people have as they have

34:13

this idea of we're going to interconnect

34:16

every region of the world in giant,

34:18

the loss of call it smart grid. Then.

34:21

Idea is that are the son of a, the sun is

34:23

always shining somewhere and the wind

34:25

is always blowing somewhere, so we're just gonna massively

34:27

over build solar and wind everywhere.

34:29

"In the world and we're going to Lincoln lot

34:32

of all tables and so then,

34:34

you know, there's lot when we have drought of

34:36

sunlight and winded the U.S. Some other

34:38

place halfway around the world's get that the and this is

34:40

totally made up, this has never worked at all,

34:43

it's prohibitively expensive to seated into

34:45

build so much infrastructure. And,

34:47

by the way with both of these ideas and

34:49

all the other green ideas There's one

34:52

other variable which is that the

34:54

green movement as anti develop.

34:57

So they have or their whole solution involves

35:00

crash program of unprecedented

35:03

mining. The and development.

35:05

And it's part of move in.

35:08

infrastructure and sex and it's part of

35:10

part in both those involved develop And

35:13

it's any of her development movements says you

35:15

can the U. S. L take if you're lucky ten years to

35:17

prove a lithium. What we're going

35:19

to make thousands of times

35:21

as many back so it's what all of

35:23

this should show is that there's something

35:26

very and serious about.

35:28

the claims of replacing fossil fuels

35:31

and so i don't argue is this movement this

35:33

much clearer about what it wants to destroy

35:36

than what it wants to create wealth

35:38

if they also

35:40

The new administration's claiming it we

35:42

can go energy independent if,

35:46

if we go all green correct. but

35:48

i don't understand how There

35:50

are claiming that one. Or

35:53

batteries are going to Tom from

35:55

China.

35:56

The Arab mining with they just took Afghanistan,

35:59

you know? Huge where the and father damping

36:01

of their don't in Mexico have

36:04

produced in all our batteries I believe they're going to produce

36:06

our solar panels and,

36:08

suits and then you just said those batteries

36:11

are good for ten years so

36:13

to me that doesn't. sound

36:15

energy independence at all

36:18

This is another great example, as another

36:20

case in which this is a totally I'm

36:22

serious argument, because

36:24

above all, what China controls the

36:26

entire own of stresses the

36:29

entire supply chain of solar,

36:31

wind and batteries China can bring and

36:33

stop at any time. That

36:36

at once and the number one thing it control,

36:38

so when you have supplied since there's

36:40

the mining and China does lot of mining

36:42

and they're increasing their mining interests, but

36:45

the number one thing they do is controlling

36:47

the processing. These elements

36:50

of these facilities that can process that mind

36:52

materials and, to use for materials

36:55

and The controllers we

36:57

every element that. And so

36:59

them so the idea that that's it that's opposite

37:02

of independence right it's literally of they can

37:04

shut it all down Ah.

37:07

Whenever they want whenever they want, and we're

37:09

talking about becoming a. Rerelying

37:13

on this stuff, the main problem with this is it's not

37:15

cost effective way to power society

37:18

so that that's kind of problem member once,

37:20

but. The zoo the or

37:22

but also yes it has

37:24

an unbelievable increase

37:27

in our dependence on hostile foreign

37:29

powers and, whereas

37:31

take fossil fuels Fossile

37:33

fuels, we are masters.

37:36

Getting. And we have an unbelievable amount

37:39

of the material the raw material on

37:41

Earth so we have very obvious

37:44

way to deal with, say, hostility from

37:46

Russia or somewhere else with. Respect Energy,

37:48

which is we can just doubled down on our own energy

37:51

production, self's the people claim to be

37:53

sure, but energy security and they claimed

37:55

the thing that we can. Double down on his insecure

37:58

and the thing that we depend one. And on China

38:00

for secure it's again

38:02

they're much older. caught solutions

38:05

are not thought through at all Yet.

38:08

They're proceeding full steam ahead

38:10

with the destruction of also feel them just to give up

38:12

one final example, with Biden notice

38:14

what Biden did, it would be one big to say. Hey

38:17

I'm Joe Biden I've got this amazing

38:19

vision month, the I've been

38:21

having with business weird but like have that

38:23

is amazing vision for grid. and

38:26

it's gonna it's gonna work so well

38:28

and i have all the solar panels and wind turbines batters and

38:30

let me build it and then once validate

38:32

it then we'll shut down the spouses

38:35

but that would listen to that right elysee

38:37

as an idea for what's the first thing the

38:39

does No Keystone XL

38:42

pipeline. No drilling unfair

38:44

lives of his first acts were acts

38:46

of destruction of America's

38:48

energy production ability. Not

38:51

acts of replacement, inserting one thing

38:53

I want to keep highlighted is that this green

38:55

movement is really keen on what

38:58

it wants to destroy and what

39:00

it wants to create is a complete

39:02

fraud that it's not willing to prove.

39:04

The for it. That was fossil fuels.

39:09

And. I do also don't understand how,

39:11

many of your questions whether robotics as good as it

39:13

shows that you're thinking about it which most of our

39:15

but like. How many are questions begin with don't understand

39:18

because would say they are so many

39:20

everyone should be not understanding. understanding

39:23

almost no one does not understand

39:26

even though these things make no sense

39:30

The many you said Biden had a vision I was

39:32

right oh boy with,

39:35

any what his arm. that

39:37

the other thing that i The not understand

39:40

is he keeps blaming.

39:42

Our or are. Our

39:45

gas and oil shortages on.

39:47

On me on the drilling right on the people

39:49

that on the company's on the as honest and,

39:53

but he already said that he was going to shut

39:55

them down. so why

39:57

would they about how much was accosted

40:00

Then do this. The whole.

40:02

How? Much would it would one of these companies have

40:04

to invest to start drilling and producing

40:06

oil on the data when we met defending

40:08

a skillet, multimillion dollar and many, many

40:10

millions. Tens of millions of in this is

40:12

huge capital intensive industries

40:15

which, involves so the way

40:18

you once you put it the way you put it

40:20

sort of obviously. Wrong because

40:22

the way you put his you're blaming the company's

40:24

I mean think of it as you're blaming the companies

40:26

for not drilling enough, and

40:29

yet you have threatened. Them with massive,

40:31

punishment, for drilling

40:34

that kind of what. i'm saying that you

40:36

want you already showed your cards

40:39

yeah

40:40

Your your vision is a shot

40:42

them all down and completely

40:44

go away from fossil fuels so why would

40:46

they continue? to invest

40:49

Multi million dollar. The

40:53

of to to. The Iraq, the far

40:55

less yours when they know.

40:58

Soon as soon as it smooths out with

41:00

this would be with the shortage right now than

41:02

he is gonna, she's got shut him down again

41:05

immediately.

41:06

The would it would just be throw money in the garbage

41:08

sit with, they want to pretend is

41:10

that they haven't been waging that

41:12

they haven't been giving these threats and basically

41:15

waging war against the fossil fuel industry

41:17

men Biden had this. The

41:20

know the gall to say that he had done nothing

41:22

to restrict domestic process

41:25

is like my administration has done nothing and

41:27

part of their argument, though, as we haven't had

41:29

enough time to do everything we wanted. But

41:32

but with that's evading is that. They're

41:35

part of a global movement that has been

41:37

doing this for the last fifteen plus years

41:40

so in the US and around the world

41:42

the green movement has been pushing three things

41:45

the. ah The elimination

41:47

of investment in fossil fuels,

41:50

production of fossil fuels and transport.

41:53

By administration has been involved in all of them,

41:55

it has lot of threats against companies

41:58

and financial institutions for investing. Fossile?

42:00

Fuels has lot of restrictions on production

42:02

and lot of restrictions on transportation like

42:04

the Keystone XL pipeline stopping that, but

42:07

it's important this is global movement and

42:09

it's been. Going on for long time including in

42:11

the US including under the Obama

42:14

Biden, administration but they want

42:17

When? You look at it, the we're looking at it's obvious

42:19

he doesn't make any sense, but they want to pretend

42:21

all of that didn't happen and what they're

42:23

looking at his they're. Just looking at the

42:25

fact that the producers are producing

42:28

as much as people want right

42:30

now. Then you're treating it as oh

42:32

they're just being greedy, right they

42:34

just want profits that so bad.

42:39

That's not true at all. If.

42:41

You're company companies want to

42:43

invest profits like companies

42:45

want to grow in the future, that's what leads

42:47

to higher stock price of people are optimistic

42:50

about your future, but. For the reasons you

42:52

gave lot of these companies are not optimistic

42:54

about drilling and future because they know

42:56

that they will be punished sooner or later

42:58

they can't have. Long term confidence says

43:00

you can have long term coincidence in

43:02

reinvesting your profits, you are

43:05

morally and legally obligated

43:07

to give those profits to your shareholders.

43:09

But. Then the administration is basically saying you

43:12

should violate your fiduciary obligations

43:14

and your moral obligation to your shareholders so

43:17

that we don't look so bad a because

43:19

people are mad about. gasoline prices that's really

43:21

what their position amounts to know, the

43:24

one other thing that I want to his

43:26

back to energy independence couldn't keep

43:28

playing mean we're going to" Get if we go green even,

43:31

though or not because we're getting all or batteries and solar

43:34

and all the material. energy

43:36

independence of energy doesn't work yeah

43:38

and on top of that it doesn't work

43:41

There's a work all the time does work some

43:43

of the time, but what are what else

43:45

is when it doesn't work ever done at

43:47

work out of know, I mean, there's no

43:49

there's no grid that just. This

43:52

is.

43:53

Nothing that we would recognize his

43:55

likeness, just like solar panels and wind turbines,

43:57

and you just isis, I mean, the way it works is at it's

43:59

core. Just physically the way that Dodgers

44:01

needs to be constantly supported by reliable

44:04

actresses, there's no, there's no

44:06

freestanding solar, wind and battery

44:08

grid, Alcorn the world's didn't

44:10

to make that point, it's not an even.

44:14

It's is nothing resembling what

44:16

we know of as electricity. Is

44:19

possible and again like the numbering and four

44:21

hundred trillion dollars or it's that's that's,

44:24

like, that's bankrupting everyone in the

44:26

world. In his will starve

44:28

right so we get some better, so does what it's like,

44:30

economically, it's know we're in the

44:32

universe. The be viable

44:34

replacement for fossil fuel that and

44:37

the thing to stress but energy as the,

44:39

cost of energy is crucial

44:41

because that determines the cost of everything

44:43

that involves machines cause energies to some

44:45

seen food but so If

44:48

when we increase the price of it, we don't just want

44:50

energy at any price. We want

44:52

low cost energy because if the price of

44:54

energy goes as we're, seeing this right now

44:57

right the price of food goes up the

44:59

price of clothing goes up the price

45:01

of shelter goes up the price of medical characters

45:03

up so. if these things

45:05

even remotely happened wife

45:08

would just become catastrophic way expensive

45:10

compared to what to say we're already seeing

45:12

this with just price inflation and

45:15

a lot of that connected energy, but this is just

45:17

with" You could say like

45:19

three percent, four percent of the green

45:21

new deal agenda. Like what Europe

45:23

has done. That is, and

45:25

what we've done is the it's just. "It

45:28

really cancer to snuff like

45:30

to actually do what they're saying I believe

45:32

would be like just global mass murder

45:35

and masturbation will look what's happening

45:37

in Europe right now they're completely dependent on

45:40

Russian oil just and"

45:42

You don't gonna go under that it'll was

45:44

sure I'm in A because it's pretty straightforward right

45:46

it's this isn't what I would.

45:49

say i like about where you're coming from is your is

45:51

think you're looking at this central's of

45:53

these issues And if

45:55

he is the essential to these issues are pretty simple.

45:58

The problem is the people who.

46:00

'Cause the problems want to over

46:02

complicate them because the simple and

46:04

true explanation indict

46:06

them as the obvious cause, see,

46:08

take the situation in Europe. Europe

46:12

needs huge amounts of natural gas

46:14

to function because it uses natural gas

46:16

for heat, it also uses natural

46:18

gas for electricity, and

46:21

Europe has had this idea that we can rapidly

46:23

replace fossil fuels with

46:26

solar and way. That's. Been there idea,

46:28

but solar and wind of I said cannot exist

46:30

at all on their own, they need natural

46:32

gas in particular, natural gas is basically like

46:34

an amazing natural. Batteries that's

46:37

very cheap, so it can ramp up and down

46:39

very quickly like a jet engine to

46:41

accommodate the massive fluctuations

46:44

of sunlight and when so actually

46:46

when you when you. Do lot of sunlight

46:48

and wind you don't become free

46:50

of the need for fossil fuels, you become particularly

46:53

dependent on one fossil fuel which

46:55

is natural gas or tentatively good. Substitute oil

46:57

but usually gases lot cheaper so they use gas

46:59

and affected there's, usually defender

47:01

on out from this but they had this

47:03

idea that we're going to restrict. Investment

47:05

production and transport fossil fuels

47:08

so what'd they do when fracking developed

47:10

like Fracking is the best broadly

47:13

sale energy technologies that's the that's

47:15

the most, revolutionary

47:17

energy development. Of last twenty years, as

47:19

soon as Europe saute preemptively band

47:21

so banned it in France, banned it in the UK

47:24

and in Ireland, Bannon ireland Spain,

47:26

I demanded all over the. Place and

47:28

they did nothing to secure reliable sources

47:31

of energy from free ah

47:33

allied countries like the US because

47:36

they had this idea we're going to rapidly replaced

47:38

fossil fuels with. Solar wind but that didn't,

47:40

work so they reduce domestic

47:42

production Dramatic

47:44

so what would happen state they depend

47:47

on for success that simple if

47:49

you've if you try to rapidly replace

47:52

fossil? fuels with solar wind which

47:54

doesn't work Then you become more

47:56

dependent. On foreign sources,

47:58

if you don't produce a domestically. Then. Also says

48:00

it's very simple, but everyone wants to

48:02

pretend it's something else because it's, but

48:04

the what's great about this moment is

48:06

public is really starting to seek to they. Say,

48:09

know that for decades, people and saying we shouldn't

48:11

drill, we should invest in the stuff

48:13

this is bad and then they see well

48:16

the prices are going up and we. Didn't

48:18

get this magical replacement. Then

48:20

and they're starting to blame the people who.

48:23

We're. "Against us of it's part where I'm excited to

48:25

have to, get

48:27

attention this issue now and I haven't have book

48:29

right now that's telling the full. Story of

48:31

energy today in the future, because people

48:34

are uniquely open to because we're witnessing a

48:36

crisis now it's lot

48:38

easier to for people's minds. To open

48:40

when they see they problem and five them Vs

48:43

when it's speculated problem speculated few years

48:45

in the. future work

48:48

We're in the middle of an energy war again,

48:51

it's green

48:53

vs fossil fuels and it's also

48:55

China.

48:56

Watching everything that's going on taking

48:59

all the lithium faucets in the world mining

49:01

them and they're going to produce at all which

49:03

means they control everybody's energy yeah

49:05

if we were to go all.

49:07

green so i see to haven't been using that

49:09

term but think it's a really good terms i'm probably

49:12

going to start using it because it is

49:14

No, do we have always thought about it is war

49:17

depends on energy. Then. World

49:19

War One World War Two were both one by the side

49:21

with the longer term secure sources of

49:23

oil biggest oil is historically it's the

49:25

fuel of mobility and mope you. Know

49:27

advances in mobility or how you win often

49:30

how you and worse you can get to places more quickly,

49:33

etc, units and drop large farms

49:35

that today I mean that. We have nuclear energy which is

49:37

another thing we should be pursuing more

49:39

of, but so

49:42

it's crucial in military conflict

49:44

that's one aspect of it, but

49:46

another point is. It's just crucial in

49:48

any kind. of with that i

49:50

was asking i'm a guy mention

49:52

to before the show is repped i really mind and

49:55

palmer lucky who's basically invented

49:57

modern br are sold

49:59

his company Then. For a lot of money to Facebook

50:01

and then started of modern defense company

50:04

that's very, very pro America, and I asked

50:06

him original, got to talk to isolate what's what's.

50:08

Your biggest what's the biggest threat to the US

50:11

he, said like an he said something that wasn't what

50:13

accessories is my biggest threat is that we

50:15

start becoming an economic. Superpower

50:18

because when you're not an economic superpower they're

50:20

so you're so much more vulnerable

50:22

if heard wage war you can engage

50:24

in that he sent and get into production. and

50:26

what scares the hell out of me The to

50:28

U.S. China is taking all of its

50:31

actions to become a dominant

50:33

economic superpower. In. America

50:35

is either just obsessed with, like,

50:38

gender pronoun type things that are

50:40

not nearly as important now or we

50:42

are actively waging war against

50:44

ourselves like this green new deal anti.

50:46

Fossilomic fuel movements: This is overwhelmingly

50:48

domestic movement that in

50:51

America and in Europe there

50:53

are some there's some evidence of say Russia sponsoring

50:56

some of it and maybe try to encourage. Her yet

50:58

but it's mostly domestic intellectual South

51:00

China is very strategically

51:02

taking over critical industries

51:05

and of course securing or the fossil fuel

51:07

that they can and. it's And

51:10

we are actively. Making

51:12

ourselves less secure so

51:15

it it's really that. really

51:17

scares me because i just feel like everyone's gonna

51:19

look back in history of if we don't reverse course

51:21

and just affect what the hell were they

51:23

doing male china said we want to be the world's

51:25

dominant superbike twenty forty nine that was

51:27

their gods they secured they entire

51:29

like modern technology supply chain

51:31

including the elements of solar or

51:34

wind and batteries the u s was

51:36

just obsessed with these weird domestic

51:38

things as the number one issue and

51:41

they actively destroyed tried to destroy

51:43

their own energy system Which is the

51:45

key to being an economic superpower and

51:47

militarily prepared him,

51:49

for I think they're san the direction

51:52

and they're. jumping on the train they're

51:54

going to control it and up their smart you

51:56

gotta hand it on say are smart

51:58

their this instance is a government Yeah,

52:00

the government is strategic and our

52:02

government. I would have anti

52:05

jokes, i mean don't think we have

52:08

It's hard for me to think of a President, Republican

52:11

or Democrat who has, like, real

52:13

long term foreign policy

52:15

and really thinking about. The

52:18

things I mean took some are better and some

52:20

a worse but the. advantage

52:22

of we have if we take advantage

52:24

of it is we have three

52:26

hundred thirty million people who

52:29

if left for eats and come up with amazing

52:31

innovations that Make.

52:34

"Us superpower and then that

52:36

incredible productivity and innovativeness

52:38

can be leveraged if we have remotely strategic

52:41

government so that the Chinese government's more strategic but

52:43

they're productive abilities of" His vehicle

52:46

is not going to be what ours is because we have far

52:48

more freedom and far more innovation many

52:50

ways but promise we're under

52:52

cutting it with strategy. With with

52:55

lack of strategy or also undercutting

52:57

it with the green movement being anti

52:59

development since. because

53:03

You. Innovate and to be productive, you need

53:05

to develop nature, you need

53:07

to impact things like factory has an impact

53:10

of farm has an impact, mining

53:12

has an impact if you. To take mining which is

53:15

everyone, is now realizes his key to any

53:17

kind of energy future, but in the

53:19

US mining is almost illegal now

53:21

take ten eaten it. Can be

53:23

impossible to get mine approved it can easily

53:25

take ten. years what that does

53:28

is that limits prague it makes us

53:30

and not free country and in many ways we're

53:32

not is free to normally as china as

53:34

is what's known as lot of The evil anti

53:37

freedom stuff they, have snared

53:39

much more freedom of development than we do

53:41

and without the freedom to develop most

53:44

of what most of production cannot occur

53:46

because most of production as physical, address.

53:49

sign let's take quick break

53:51

when we come back i want to talk about did you give

53:53

about great run down on how fossil

53:55

fuels benefit us every day

53:58

Nobody talks about that.

54:00

And I'd like to dive into that awesome.

54:04

Then. Guy begun reverse he did really,

54:07

good, as little worried because

54:09

worried couldn't lie the of I don't, like of

54:13

really wanted to trial so yeah that

54:15

that. knew they would be seen as soon as mean

54:17

to get even more than friends sell

54:20

them to, as you can, don't like the ones that are overly.

54:22

, now and you don't

54:24

I'm overly soft either, i'm solemnly on

54:26

either skin of ago that they get ago nice texture had

54:28

taken like twenty five Adams Halen

54:30

the nose. And it's more with and accent

54:32

I didn't push that twenty. have any

54:34

kids but damn

54:37

well

54:38

The got back from the break and

54:40

so it seems like everybody

54:42

this behind the green initiatives

54:45

none. of them ever talk about any of

54:47

the benefits

54:49

From fossil fuels and you do a.

54:52

great explanation on how they affect

54:55

and benefit our everyday lives

54:57

and yeah there's some phenomenal charts

54:59

in her new book to read talk about the

55:01

about

55:04

Hopping energy production and how that actually

55:06

saves lives ah versus.

55:10

Will get into it, but. When we talk

55:12

about.

55:14

Individuals are allowed the pool or same we

55:16

should all be dead they are now so we're

55:19

so.

55:20

Just. Highlight: When I said before, so you can eighty

55:23

percent of the world's energy said,

55:25

"I think of energy as machine calories or machine

55:27

food, so that's what our machines need

55:29

to" Operate and eighty percent of that comes from fossil

55:31

fuels around the world and, it's growing,.

55:35

and they also said billions

55:37

of people Have very little

55:39

energy use very little earners you're right to say

55:41

is that the date the statistic of three billion

55:44

individuals using less electricity than one of

55:46

our refrigerator see just let that

55:48

sink in what would that be like if

55:50

you had to decide but?

55:53

obviously you can't just use a refrigerator

55:55

right see out the lights you have the refrigerator

55:57

the have all sorts of different appliances like you

56:00

There's washing machine do on use dryer

56:02

do you want to use computer doing it yourself and like

56:04

these? are just and then it's not just us home

56:07

during this may be even more specifically as industry

56:10

Like of industry can't use large amount of electricity,

56:13

then you can't have very productive country

56:16

else. With that

56:18

in mind. You would

56:20

expect that the best

56:22

thinkers in the leading will say the leading

56:24

thinkers in our society when talking

56:27

about. They rising C. O.

56:29

two levels from fossil fuel C. O.

56:31

two emissions you'd expect them to look

56:33

at not just the negatives of

56:35

that. You'd. Also

56:37

expect them to look at what are the benefits of the

56:39

energy that we get with that, so when we burn

56:41

fossil fuels it bit c. o two yes.

56:44

We can talk about are what are negatives also what

56:46

are positive to that, but, the Dallas

56:48

and Room is it enters that's why we're burning I'm

56:50

in the first place. is to get a lot of energy and again

56:52

it's the overwhelming source

56:54

of the world's energy", I would also add, there

56:56

have been competitors fossil fuels for well

56:59

over. A century, most of these technologies have

57:01

been around for well over a century, one

57:03

for another says there's something very special about

57:05

fossil fuels and so I think it should seem. Very

57:07

odd. that we don't

57:09

talk about the benefits and

57:12

that are but in particular that's

57:14

what particular call are designated experts

57:16

don't talk about the benefits as well

57:19

Have you heard this refrain, listen to the scientists?

57:22

Then. For building a common type of thing

57:24

like "let listened to the scientists it

57:26

out of that, oh, I remember George Clooney

57:28

I'm a lotta people says forever, I'm saying like you"

57:30

Know if I wanted to know what to do about a medical

57:33

condition, I would listen to my

57:35

doctor and if want to know what to do

57:37

about climate. Change I'm going to listen to the

57:39

scientists, right? Now

57:41

one fallacy there is. Then.

57:43

Climate experts isn't an expert on the benefits

57:46

of fossil fuels, so would be like

57:48

a doctor who didn't know about the benefits

57:51

of an antibiotic, only the negatives right

57:53

so that. Would that would be are they some with the, the

57:55

side effects it's there's something

57:57

that but but. Maybe maybe look.

58:00

But. You'd expect okay, maybe the climate people

58:02

are wouldn't whoever were designating as the scientists,

58:05

the expert's minutes I caught designated expert

58:07

because it's a person we're turning to, were

58:10

told to. Turn to for here is the person who can provide

58:12

you guidance, informed guidance

58:14

on what to do, see, take one of the leading

58:17

designated experts on what

58:19

to do about energy. Which is guy named Michael

58:21

Man, whose of professor is climate scientist

58:24

and activist. Then I put

58:26

a document this and fossil future, he has

58:28

book. On energy and climate

58:30

called the "madhouse of that dense", all about

58:32

how fossil fuels are allegedly having

58:35

harmful impact on clinic. That's.

58:37

"A fine thing to study, you should study, you

58:40

should study the impacts on climate for sure, but

58:42

one thing that really struck me as he talks about agriculture

58:45

and", he says. Rising C. O. two levels

58:47

are going to have these cause these challenges

58:49

for agriculture sector that's fine and

58:51

then I'm looking through the button like, "Okay, but where's the can

58:53

talk?" About the benefits because,

58:56

the benefits of fossil fuels for agriculture

58:58

are literally the ability to feed

59:00

eight billion p Then. fertilizer

59:03

we have we're seeing this now, with rising fertilizer

59:05

prices, fertilizers is

59:07

derived physically from natural

59:09

gas and it's produced using natural gas

59:11

energies to totally dependent on natural gas

59:13

and. Natural gas prices, that's in

59:15

large part why the prices are going up. Gas

59:18

program so. there's that said them

59:20

the literal fertilizer that makes the earth as

59:22

fertile as it is so we can grow enough

59:25

food for eight billion people that depends

59:27

on fossil fuels and then all then machines

59:30

That produce the energy

59:32

of rather all the machines that use

59:34

energy to allow us to produce far

59:36

more food than we otherwise couldn't answer

59:38

one example I like as a modern combine

59:41

harvester can reap and stress one

59:43

thousand times more week then.

59:46

really good manual labor The

59:48

one thousand and one thousand times you become

59:51

like if I'm not I'm not really good manual

59:53

labor for that kind of thing, but imagine I can be

59:55

trained to be can be trying to be fairly good sense,

59:57

but if you put me on a combine harvester I can.

1:00:00

The sit there and, produce you know

1:00:02

five hundred thousand times more

1:00:04

There were that's why we're very small percentage

1:00:07

of people in agriculture in the countries

1:00:09

that have in our using low cost, reliable

1:00:11

energy, the ones that aren't you a very high

1:00:14

percentages of people. In our culture

1:00:16

so we have that that's of it's.

1:00:18

just so there's just one example but it's huge

1:00:20

examples literally i once in a

1:00:22

debate with debate guy named bill mckibben another designate

1:00:25

experts designate said You

1:00:27

know if Bill mckibben came here and said we

1:00:29

should eliminate you know ninety five percent of

1:00:32

the food you'd think this guy's maniac

1:00:35

but? he said we should eliminate ninety five percent of fossil

1:00:37

fuels which are the food of food We're

1:00:40

of like they see the machines. It

1:00:43

and may provide the fertilizers, and

1:00:45

yet in this whole best selling book by Michael

1:00:47

Mann, the designated expert, we're supposed

1:00:49

to listen to, he does not once

1:00:52

mentioned the benefits of fossil

1:00:54

fuels to agriculture. Though

1:00:57

this, is madman My.

1:00:59

Own effect, right because he's telling us

1:01:01

you should be concerns we should

1:01:03

get rid of fossil fuels and it'll help agriculture

1:01:06

because it'll get ripped like we won't have to worry.

1:01:08

About this warming and some reason that

1:01:11

he says you get rid of the thing that makes agriculture

1:01:13

possible is there any validity

1:01:15

to that at all is or anything. The

1:01:18

getting rid of all schools would help.

1:01:21

With. Agriculture's or any aspect

1:01:23

of it, you mean the climate part of it, yeah,

1:01:25

well, but the thing is you have everything

1:01:27

is package so we

1:01:29

could talk about so there's. Two quests the overall

1:01:32

getting rid of fossil fuels would destroy agriculture

1:01:35

you'd have mass starvation one,

1:01:37

hundred percent. but there's

1:01:39

question as said so i just wanna

1:01:41

focus on that's the number one point here is just this

1:01:44

is an example of how are leading

1:01:46

thinkers you know are designated experts

1:01:49

to the people were told to listen told and steak

1:01:51

our lives on and steak or security on are

1:01:53

making a very basic There.

1:01:57

They are evaluating something. Right?

1:02:00

We looking at its negative side effects and

1:02:02

not it's benefits and so by the same method

1:02:04

when the Polio vaccine came out, you say that evil.

1:02:07

We should I use it. Because they

1:02:09

pay or the has the side effects that it's bad was

1:02:11

given a bit and one second. It stops

1:02:14

Polio what about that's what fossil

1:02:16

fuel stops hunger now says

1:02:18

stops starvation round

1:02:20

the world so we can talk about

1:02:22

the C o two part of it but what is for

1:02:25

sure it's is there is nothing resembling

1:02:27

a danger that. on

1:02:29

the level of the teacher of getting rid of energy

1:02:31

in i think would just say If

1:02:34

an intro to the issue and how to

1:02:36

think about it's, it's also revealing

1:02:38

that people don't talk about the benefits of C.O.

1:02:40

two. two Very much so,

1:02:43

fossil fuel we burn fossil fuels, it emits

1:02:45

plummets bunch of things, but mints water vapor

1:02:48

admits energy remit to release his

1:02:50

energy him at C. O. Two sometimes are certain

1:02:52

pollutants that are emitted from Philly what's

1:02:54

a call and some extent oil. Okay.

1:02:58

It emits u two, so that's a side effect

1:03:00

that them in the main thing is the energy benefit, but then the

1:03:02

C. O. two wider, we think

1:03:04

that the C. O. Two is so

1:03:06

bad it's so bad, and it's all bad,

1:03:08

the all bad as politically revealing, because

1:03:10

if you just if you had somebody

1:03:13

who didn't. Who? Didn't

1:03:15

have bias against humans and human impact,

1:03:18

they didn't think that we were unnatural, which

1:03:20

I think as a very common view like our impact

1:03:22

as bad that's if you. Want that's why we're

1:03:24

so against mining and development because people view our impact

1:03:26

as just it's wrong things

1:03:29

but if he didn't have that by as need for okay? Humans

1:03:31

are part of nature, often what we do

1:03:33

is really good for us, sometimes

1:03:35

we make mistakes, but there's certainly

1:03:37

nothing to be hostile to our impact

1:03:40

in general we want. "To have lot of impact, does that

1:03:42

makes the world and abundant and safe place and

1:03:44

when we didn't have much impact, the world is pretty terrible

1:03:46

for the average person" And the

1:03:48

more successful people often got around it by enslaving

1:03:51

the less successful people because we didn't

1:03:53

have machines to do work for

1:03:55

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1:03:57

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1:03:59

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you think it was bad or?

1:05:04

I'm not so sure I think you would think at least

1:05:06

it would have some obvious good things number one

1:05:08

plant growth. Worse you to the atmosphere

1:05:10

means more plank or that's very significance

1:05:12

what I've been agriculture snow for OP's

1:05:15

benefit very significantly on.

1:05:17

but warmth as well i'm he wants

1:05:19

five times or more people die

1:05:21

in the world from cold right now Then

1:05:24

he. It's a. That's

1:05:26

a big thing lot of people wanna live in warmer

1:05:29

climates and, the way warming

1:05:31

is supposed to work and in practice has mostly

1:05:33

work is it tends to be have

1:05:36

more warming and the coldest regions of the war Then.

1:05:38

Not evenly distributed sought, like the same at

1:05:41

the equator in the same at the polls, it's more

1:05:43

particularly in the northern part

1:05:45

of the world that's why people are so focused. On

1:05:47

the Arctic, but that's actually good things like we

1:05:49

would prefer to have warming concentrated

1:05:51

and colder places that equally spread

1:05:54

around the world, we also know that the world

1:05:56

has. Been twenty. five

1:05:58

degrees fahrenheit Immerse

1:06:00

wow. Fourteen degrees Celsius

1:06:03

I think it as on. warmer

1:06:05

The word a pretty cold point in the plan sisters

1:06:08

so there's. nothing to

1:06:10

there's lot of good of it and then you would

1:06:12

also say there are some negative things

1:06:14

make particularly in the place

1:06:16

even if the place aren't getting super

1:06:18

warm they're getting warmer and you'll have increased

1:06:21

incidence of heat wave that kind of thing but

1:06:23

even with heat waves are more air conditioning which can

1:06:26

totally more than offset the websites

1:06:28

i think it's legitimate I think

1:06:30

there will be some aspects of rising sea or

1:06:32

two levels that on their own. Will

1:06:35

be negative for agriculture and some places

1:06:38

don't think it's plausible that overall

1:06:40

they'll be negative for agriculture in particular

1:06:42

because in general a warmer. More

1:06:45

c o two rich and wetter this is

1:06:47

another aspect a won the world as wetter world's

1:06:49

like that's all good. For life, that's

1:06:52

why we had these think about the dinosaurs and the

1:06:54

amazing, you know, these huge dinosaurs

1:06:56

eating huge amounts of plant food. Like

1:06:59

that in natural world the has so much

1:07:01

c o two and more warmth and as a more

1:07:03

tropical worlds or a, general were

1:07:05

global warming means like climate change

1:07:07

you can translate it to, slightly

1:07:09

more tropical that it's objective,.

1:07:11

meaning was

1:07:14

rather boring and happen all the benefits

1:07:16

what about

1:07:18

The thing you hear all the time is rising oceans

1:07:20

it's gonna the glaciers the it's

1:07:23

all melting it's raise and sea

1:07:25

level everything's, going to be underwater.

1:07:28

suppose right said that is

1:07:30

said would say rising sea levels rising

1:07:32

the most plausible

1:07:34

Then. danger of

1:07:36

rising C.O. two: two I was getting this lot

1:07:38

of reasons to want it at the world to be

1:07:40

quite a bit warmer than it is today,

1:07:42

all things being. Equal and certainly not any kind of crisis

1:07:45

again, we are far more colds related deaths

1:07:47

than he related's s and then to

1:07:49

take some of the other examples first, you know? It sucks, storms

1:07:52

and floods in this kind of thing. It

1:07:54

should feel very bizarre that those all

1:07:56

are supposed to get worse and, like, way

1:07:59

worse. Did? You did requirements

1:08:01

as a very integrated system, so why

1:08:03

would it be that us changing something makes everything

1:08:05

worse you never hear about, oh, we

1:08:08

have weathered the storm today because? Of fossil

1:08:10

fuels you only hear oh this storm with everything

1:08:13

is worse that. that is really

1:08:15

are of like they're really treating that nature

1:08:17

as nature god and it's really like

1:08:19

we angered the god by impacting and

1:08:21

so the god is punishing us That.

1:08:24

Is is heavier scientific perspective

1:08:26

that everything gets worse now in system

1:08:29

like that when you it just doesn't make any sense

1:08:31

and but the plausible thing that.

1:08:33

Could get worse is sea

1:08:35

levels because sea levels are particularly

1:08:37

sensitive to our previous

1:08:39

investments so we have civilizations

1:08:42

that are built near. the

1:08:44

sea for very good reasons great place to

1:08:46

web you know commerce that kind of things

1:08:48

and so if sea levels rose quickly enough

1:08:51

that could be at challenge it could be disruptions

1:08:54

it's not going to be catastrophe or the end of the world

1:08:56

or something like that but it's worth looking

1:08:58

into but as long as we do

1:09:00

what We've been focused on what did you always

1:09:03

have to look at the benefits of fossil fuels that

1:09:05

will be lost if. you oppose

1:09:07

fossil fuels if you recognize fossil fuels

1:09:10

today and for the foreseeable future that's

1:09:12

literally what speeding the world that's

1:09:14

what makes it possible for us to have shelter

1:09:16

mobility things like education

1:09:19

which takes lot of time you know

1:09:21

research met up with all these things totally depend

1:09:23

on low cost reliable energy that only

1:09:25

fossil fuels can provide on global scale

1:09:28

for most people for the foreseeable future

1:09:30

like if you will get that you would

1:09:32

totally be willing to accept quite accept bit of sea

1:09:34

level rise along with that vs

1:09:36

get rid of the energy and then everything is

1:09:38

terrible Don't! Really have to, we're going to

1:09:40

benefits, but then the sea level rises

1:09:42

kind of crazy because if you look at what's the current

1:09:45

I'm just I don't want to know. Your view

1:09:47

on wonder what you would just from the media, how

1:09:49

fast you think the average person would guess

1:09:51

the sea levels rising like how many seat

1:09:54

per century. On

1:09:56

the media.

1:10:00

Then. To be to century. That

1:10:04

that's I wish they thought that have been out and

1:10:06

al Gore's movies, he talks about twenty

1:10:08

feet. Twenty. Three, as if it's imminent,

1:10:11

the go well this ice sheet can melt

1:10:13

and if that happens and you get the sense of this is us

1:10:15

if you got the sense. Of what's happening over thousands of years,

1:10:17

it wouldn't be so alarming right, but he does

1:10:20

about twenty feet these not very specific, but

1:10:22

it seems like this is decades. Away which?

1:10:24

that would be really scary right off by

1:10:27

know so Though actually

1:10:29

is, is as late as one for a century. One

1:10:32

for us and let the current weight and

1:10:34

then leaves their here's the crazies, the

1:10:36

extreme speculation

1:10:39

is about three feet century. To.

1:10:41

Put that in context, we have

1:10:44

hundred million people around the world who already

1:10:46

live below the sea level,

1:10:49

high tide or her so vague about as

1:10:51

if we are. Very good as species at

1:10:53

dealing with higher sea levels, he of

1:10:55

places the Netherlands, you know, where people have well

1:10:58

below sea levels and this is with technology

1:11:00

that existed. Before so, and we're

1:11:02

talking about this is over century, and

1:11:04

of course we have no specific confidence

1:11:07

that is even going to happen, so we can wait and see

1:11:09

what. Happens, but there's very slow

1:11:11

moving that this has nothing resembling

1:11:13

and this is the official U. N. projects in

1:11:15

that in on extreme end that's,

1:11:18

three feet and so. What would people are not

1:11:20

getting? is that if you look

1:11:22

at the real benefits of fossil fuels

1:11:25

The even be kind of extreme projected

1:11:27

negative side effects that are very speculative.

1:11:31

Are nowhere near the benefits of fossil fuels

1:11:33

like not even close and then that the final

1:11:35

thing I'll say about that as? This

1:11:38

is particularly true because one of the huge benefits

1:11:40

of fossil fuels is it enables you to master

1:11:43

climate. Her ex.

1:11:45

when i view the examples of prescription drugs

1:11:48

you to look at the benefits and the side

1:11:50

effects so if it has it saves your life put

1:11:52

it causes severe rash you would still

1:11:54

want from you know a week you would still do

1:11:56

it to be interesting about fossil fuels

1:11:58

earth They. Can do something prescription

1:12:01

drug can't because prescription drug the

1:12:03

benefits can outweigh the negative side effects, but

1:12:05

they can't cure the negative side effects on

1:12:07

there are you'll still. Get the rash, but

1:12:09

fossil fuels can cure their own negative

1:12:11

salt. That prohibits take

1:12:14

the. six something like drop let's say fossil fuels

1:12:17

caused more drought which i generally doubt

1:12:19

because it makes a warmer wetter world which makes less

1:12:21

drought but let's say to caused more drought Every

1:12:24

somewhere well. Okay.

1:12:27

But they also give you the ability to

1:12:29

irrigate an area to totally

1:12:31

neutralize and overwhelm the drop, they also

1:12:33

give you the ability to bring food from

1:12:35

region. Of the world that isn't having drought into

1:12:38

the region that is so that the end product

1:12:40

you're much better off to outlaw his faults

1:12:43

of even if they are harmful. Side effects: They

1:12:45

would fear that side effect and they would actually

1:12:47

overwhelming, and this is what we see with drought

1:12:50

is fossil fuels have any negative because

1:12:52

drought related deaths are. Down ninety nine percent.

1:12:55

Over the last century and it's largely

1:12:57

all these fossil fuel machines, irrigation

1:12:59

transport that are protecting us

1:13:02

went wherever we think of climate, we need to always

1:13:04

remember that whatever negatives

1:13:06

fossil fuels are causing. There

1:13:08

was very high likelihood they can also cure,

1:13:11

and then some. Then. Number

1:13:13

one statistic I like to share about

1:13:16

this is that we actually have numbers

1:13:18

on how many people die from climate related

1:13:20

causes like storms and flawed and heat

1:13:23

and. Cool that extreme heat extreme cold and

1:13:25

before started researching this thought.

1:13:28

i thought that these were obviously getting worse

1:13:30

were having more climate related disaster tests

1:13:32

but that it was being

1:13:34

exaggerated and the benefits of fossil fuels

1:13:37

were underestimated but it turns else is

1:13:39

cleverly disasters as have gone down

1:13:41

by a rate of ninety eight percent Over

1:13:43

the last century you have some good graphs

1:13:45

on your bonus I repeat

1:13:47

them because it's the dead ball to

1:13:49

just be cursed. but mind

1:13:52

blank years as to be the experience

1:13:54

of people have right like that's what happened

1:13:56

to me because i thought Your the

1:13:58

model I printed off. Rating on his fossil

1:14:01

fuels tucker A. safe

1:14:03

climate and made it dangerous right

1:14:05

up the real thing is it know it took a dangerous

1:14:07

climate barrett Six

1:14:09

is like the here's the crazy things

1:14:12

the thing that fossil fuels are supposed

1:14:14

to harm most as in deliverability of

1:14:16

our climate or. one of the things

1:14:18

they've most improved The

1:14:21

that's really why. That such

1:14:23

as? Really struck

1:14:26

me when I realized it. Then. Emmys,

1:14:28

we're going to be not only are we going to starve

1:14:30

if we get rid of fossils, as the will also be far more

1:14:32

in danger from the climate because climate.

1:14:34

Is naturally dangerous and if we

1:14:36

don't have the ability to protect ourselves, using

1:14:39

all these amazing machines to build shelter

1:14:41

and heat and cool and your gates and transports

1:14:44

than we. Are totally screwed by the

1:14:46

natural as, is what you meant

1:14:48

by avoiding storm of fossil fuels? i'd

1:14:51

mention that a little bit earlier of when it when i

1:14:53

said

1:14:54

Could we avoid a storm with has

1:14:56

fossil fuels, oh, I forget exactly what

1:14:58

said, but you can dunno if you can neutralize

1:15:01

a storm?

1:15:02

With fossil fuels I mean you can censor,

1:15:04

the fact that the fact that or related

1:15:06

deaths or climate related disasters

1:15:08

in particular are way down and

1:15:11

you can see all the different ways and i gave

1:15:13

lot of them and which fossil fuels ah

1:15:16

'Cause that would that really

1:15:18

means is that fossil fuels have

1:15:20

is have a huge. Climate.

1:15:22

Mastery ability that they facilitate

1:15:25

and what that means is it's very, very hard to think

1:15:27

of anything that could happen in the future as

1:15:30

side effect of fossil fuel use. That would

1:15:32

actually be problem climate wise, and I mentioned

1:15:34

thought the most plausible was

1:15:36

rising sea levels, but they're super

1:15:39

slow, mid way slower have another

1:15:41

graph of this. In the book this is the

1:15:43

graph Wikipedia uses, which is super biased

1:15:45

against me for that matter, but everything

1:15:47

fossil fuel related they are very biased

1:15:49

against and yet they. Still admit that,

1:15:52

you know, if you look at the history like our ancestors

1:15:54

ten thousand years ago, they have a sea level rise like this.

1:15:57

And then it goes like this answered, "The question

1:15:59

is. The slightly

1:16:01

less flat. It's

1:16:04

it's still super slow and

1:16:06

we have a lot of time and speculative

1:16:08

the idea of of. The

1:16:10

energizing the world's energy

1:16:13

poor world to avoid this is just

1:16:15

it has to be you're denying the benefits.

1:16:18

Around that was yeah we're going

1:16:20

backwards at. with many fewer

1:16:22

people if you really did it says that the

1:16:24

thing is thing want to stress or our success

1:16:28

The Green New Deal Network called

1:16:30

Net Zero Agenda: Fossil Fuel Emanation

1:16:32

Agenda. There is no chance

1:16:34

it is going to happen in that

1:16:36

the whole world is gonna totally do it like

1:16:39

lemmings but.

1:16:41

The danger is that even

1:16:43

if you do it. Small. fraction

1:16:46

it's deadly and in particular

1:16:49

it's deadly for security which is part

1:16:51

of version was particularly excited to talk to you

1:16:53

because what the US is doing is used

1:16:56

the. "Term energy war, which I like, like world leading

1:16:58

the energy war against ourselves, a weird disempower

1:17:01

and I caught unilateral disempowerment because

1:17:03

we are destroying our own ability

1:17:05

to produce energy" While others

1:17:08

above all China are increasing their

1:17:10

ability to priests energy and making us

1:17:12

dependent on them and,

1:17:14

that is very scary because

1:17:16

it's china Do you expect

1:17:18

China to follow Net Zero know seminary

1:17:21

of about eighty five percent fossil fuel so

1:17:23

we're told though they're eating or launched their also with

1:17:25

this is nonsense they're producing our solar

1:17:28

and wind using cheap coal

1:17:30

electricity blow?

1:17:32

environmental standards ah

1:17:34

some quite a bit slave labor it

1:17:36

turns out and then i say lot of The

1:17:39

temporary subsidies by the government's they're making

1:17:41

the stuff, but they're making the stuff using

1:17:43

fossil fuels and they're mostly powering

1:17:46

their world using fossil fuels, and of course they're

1:17:48

not going to do this so.

1:17:51

But the US, which is a much more honorable

1:17:53

country in many ways, in this case that works against

1:17:56

us because we're much more likely to

1:17:58

wonder these commitments to rapidly them. The

1:18:00

fossil fuel so so. much

1:18:02

of the world is obviously pursuing fossil

1:18:04

future But. Even though they

1:18:06

claim that they're all produce sit there all

1:18:08

pursuing fossil fuel our elimination

1:18:11

future, but with that means as the freest countries

1:18:13

and often the most honorable countries. Are,

1:18:16

going to disempower and they're going

1:18:18

to leave themselves in totally new level

1:18:20

of vulnerability just don't understand

1:18:22

how, I don't know if they'd if

1:18:25

don't. Know how this doesn't compute

1:18:27

and people's brains why the good start think,

1:18:29

well, think we're hoping it computers is so

1:18:31

let's just take the thing about the benefits or. It's

1:18:34

the thing that strikes that lot of people are of

1:18:36

it predicted a city of the climate benefits that

1:18:38

fossil fuels actually makes us safer from.

1:18:40

climate i've talked to tens

1:18:42

of thousands of people that the senate Not

1:18:45

even one and hundred thought of

1:18:47

it before they learned it for me and I didn't

1:18:49

even think of it myself learned from some other people

1:18:52

right, and says, were taught to

1:18:54

think about this issue in a really

1:18:56

bad way And in particular,

1:18:58

we're taught to only look negative

1:19:00

side effects and not benefits, but we

1:19:02

don't realize that we're doing that often.

1:19:06

And. I talk a lot about in the book about why

1:19:08

that is how that works, but in any case, that

1:19:10

is the fact that we're taught not to me,

1:19:12

we look I. showed you Michael Mann or explain,

1:19:14

like leading guys just totally

1:19:16

of aids the benefits of fossil fuels for agriculture,

1:19:19

which is it's most kind of obvious benefits.

1:19:22

The what happens which group that's really

1:19:24

bad but I find that when you point that

1:19:26

out when you make it explicit that hey

1:19:29

we need to look at the full context the benefits

1:19:31

and side effects with precision people.

1:19:33

can really start to do Really

1:19:36

see it, it's a do his part of what when I try to

1:19:38

add as values give people like

1:19:40

the thinking tools and. Everyone

1:19:42

agrees I've. never had an ear this

1:19:45

about this i've never had one person disagree

1:19:47

with me that we need to look at the benefits

1:19:50

The man it. The yet almost no one

1:19:52

does, and so the more we just make that

1:19:54

principal out there, the more

1:19:56

people do it in the more they'll be aware

1:19:59

that the other side.

1:20:00

Isn't doing I wanna?

1:20:03

go back to the chance of good because it's so

1:20:05

important and they ever since so many

1:20:07

different aspects i'm glad for bringing

1:20:10

this up season you know in

1:20:12

Though us we're trying to decrease

1:20:14

fossil fuels the, best

1:20:16

they do this like a triangle. right

1:20:19

so we're decreasing fossil fuels china

1:20:22

is Helping? Fossile

1:20:24

fuel usage. The produce

1:20:27

the solar panels and the batteries

1:20:29

that them they in turn are going to export

1:20:31

to us. The again. The

1:20:34

were energy independent.

1:20:37

Ron on solar and

1:20:39

wind. In and

1:20:41

they can just caught it.

1:20:43

But I wouldn't even though it doesn't work

1:20:46

you have enough so they control our

1:20:48

energy which means they control us

1:20:50

and we're seeing the exact same thing right

1:20:52

now and Europe with. russia

1:20:54

man in the time you're going as

1:20:57

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With with a tiny and it like Europe has

1:22:02

not done full fledged green new deal

1:22:04

by any means they're still dominantly

1:22:06

fossil fuel that. Then. Even

1:22:08

when you proceed this is part of why I'm motivated

1:22:11

if, if it was just as if you get

1:22:13

rid of fossil fuels it's bad and if you fall.

1:22:15

If he's or fifty percent, it's okay no, it's not okay

1:22:17

to go anywhere in this direction because every,

1:22:20

every penny you add to the price of energy

1:22:22

leads to higher. costs of

1:22:24

everything and all this increase dependence

1:22:27

is total The total disaster,

1:22:29

so I think we should be highlighted,

1:22:31

you and think people are realizing people from

1:22:33

both parties happily are starting

1:22:35

to see this, this is a real thing

1:22:38

like. The they're little slower to recognize

1:22:40

that solar and wind or not real replacements

1:22:43

for fossil fuels but, no

1:22:45

but Even an idiot can

1:22:47

see where this stuff comes from email, look

1:22:49

on map. Beware the stuff

1:22:51

is made like, "Do we have of,

1:22:54

are we have all these polysilicon facilities,

1:22:56

are we processing all of these materials we

1:22:59

send, were even if we made materials, we

1:23:01

need to send them to sign up?" The

1:23:03

be processed so it's. And

1:23:06

it that notable thing is. You

1:23:08

know you hear little bit of acknowledgment industry was

1:23:10

always out to do more up on shore

1:23:13

but. they're not willing to give up their

1:23:15

anti development policies because there's

1:23:17

this very deep opposition

1:23:19

to all it's human impact and so we

1:23:21

have all these talk about oh let's restore

1:23:23

american industry and less tax china

1:23:26

this way and but as long as

1:23:28

you're not allowed to develop in her own country

1:23:30

you are not gonna have gonna real and growing industry

1:23:32

just to get one stat that shocked me China

1:23:35

has five times our industry electricity

1:23:38

use. Five times I've

1:23:40

times. China.

1:23:44

This is third world country forty years ago.

1:23:47

And, you know, our electricity use has been flat for a

1:23:49

long time. In part because

1:23:51

we offshore. The

1:23:53

industry so it'd what's really needed

1:23:57

you. fundamentally what's needed is we really need

1:23:59

to him for The human

1:24:01

impact done intelligently as a

1:24:03

good thing. Then, in particular,

1:24:06

the freedom to use fossil fuels. That's

1:24:08

big part of that but as long as we have this idea that it's wrong

1:24:10

for us to impact the planet we're.

1:24:13

gonna We're going to keep we're just gonna

1:24:15

have or hostility toward all forms of energy

1:24:17

which is really with the green movement have to their guns, fossil

1:24:19

fuels. The against nuclear. The

1:24:22

gun hydro, but they're also get solar wind

1:24:24

because they oppose or and when mining projects.

1:24:27

They oppose massive construction projects

1:24:29

would have big footprint right big impact

1:24:32

and. The opposed the building business of transmission

1:24:34

lines.

1:24:38

So how the hell are we supposed to get our interests, you

1:24:40

know, you're not suppose is

1:24:42

this a controlling what is this,

1:24:44

but it's it's? There's. A control

1:24:46

element's but, it's this

1:24:48

why think I've such an advance having background

1:24:51

in philosophy and I've been interested

1:24:53

environmental philosophy a

1:24:55

long time so that. I think of that it's a philosophy

1:24:57

of how we relate, the relation

1:24:59

between us and the rest of nature like how

1:25:02

are those things and even I think there are. Two basic,

1:25:04

views the dominant view

1:25:07

Is that our? environmental

1:25:10

goal see to think of it as a goal of our environment of

1:25:12

the world is olds is to

1:25:14

eliminate human impact on are so that's

1:25:16

the environmental that's what it means to be environmentally

1:25:19

good is to eliminate are impact on earth

1:25:22

And that is deadly I'm fortunate

1:25:24

I learned when was eighteen before knew anything about energy

1:25:27

like that's deadly cause we survived by impact

1:25:29

in the are so few other if you have an environmental law suit

1:25:31

says it's bad for us to impact the Earth then.

1:25:34

you are anti human whether you know it or not

1:25:36

for as my environmental philosophy is

1:25:38

to advance human flourishing on

1:25:40

earth which means which want to me

1:25:42

the earth is earth good environment if

1:25:44

it is more hospitable to human life

1:25:47

and so that includes clean air clean water

1:25:49

and natural beauty The also includes

1:25:52

things like farms and factories and, and

1:25:54

don't think of those is unnatural because

1:25:56

don't think of humans is a natural, I think of

1:25:58

those as part of our and bar. In

1:26:00

the way a tree is part of our environment

1:26:03

and I judge everything by whether it's good for human

1:26:05

so like the malarial mosquito was bad

1:26:08

even. though it's natural And

1:26:11

there are many things that are. Then we

1:26:13

create like what scientific laboratories

1:26:16

that are a good. Even though they're caught

1:26:18

unnatural but I get it's not a natural it's just man

1:26:20

made or. not man made but

1:26:22

i think that the deep thing that's going on his we have

1:26:24

been taught this philosophy that

1:26:27

set that says our impact as evil

1:26:30

In our goal should be too. The

1:26:32

women ate at, and I think that's. So

1:26:35

there's a question of what's the agenda there, but

1:26:37

that is the dominant philosophy. The

1:26:40

prevailing environmental philosophy. In

1:26:43

the world today and that's what's driving us, so

1:26:45

that's when you say, "Where are we gonna get

1:26:47

our energy?" We're not thinking if

1:26:49

your goal is to eliminate human impact. You're

1:26:51

not thinking about giving humans energy. There's

1:26:54

actually it's our it's not

1:26:56

on topic to be I.

1:26:58

make this point in chapter three The

1:27:01

energy lot energy is impact.

1:27:04

Like. When you use energy like think about you have

1:27:06

this great studio like that took

1:27:08

lot of energy to make all the materials and bring

1:27:10

them here and don't suffer it's. Like that's

1:27:12

what energy allows us to, it's literally like

1:27:14

the capacity to do work, to

1:27:17

do work means to change physical things

1:27:19

in nature, so if you hate

1:27:21

human impact, you. Hate energy,

1:27:24

and it's not that you hate such as you hit the negative

1:27:26

side effects of people that, oh, they just don't

1:27:28

like the smog they love the car.

1:27:31

The hate the smog, but know they hit the

1:27:33

car. Right? To the hit the road, the

1:27:35

hate the fact that you had to pave something stated

1:27:37

the mining that went into the car the transportation,

1:27:39

though it's like all of that impacted. Nature

1:27:42

so that the whole modern green movement

1:27:44

as an anti human impact

1:27:46

movement which means it's an anti human

1:27:49

movement itself or whole obsession is

1:27:51

how do we eliminate all of? Our impact and

1:27:53

that's why. We ignore the benefits

1:27:56

because our because they're not if

1:27:58

our boys to eliminate human impact. Fossile

1:28:01

fuels have no benefits. Interesting

1:28:03

to see.

1:28:04

Very interesting way of thinking about her there

1:28:06

before it sort of their way of thinking

1:28:08

for just.

1:28:10

"Getting it's the essentials I'm at today, they

1:28:12

say to us, you know, be green don't

1:28:14

have an impact, will, oh yeah, we think

1:28:17

that Wheatley Trance we falsely

1:28:19

translator for than we think oh you just one cleaner

1:28:21

include what about the desolate", they said. Now,

1:28:24

did minimize all impact.

1:28:27

Oh human impact such as all it's an anti

1:28:29

human think it's you have to guess at

1:28:31

not you but people to get out of their had the idea

1:28:34

the. environmental movement The

1:28:37

about loving nature. Because

1:28:40

it's not as that about like if you

1:28:42

love. Turn. You want to enjoy nature like

1:28:44

the I live near the beach in Laguna Beach,

1:28:47

California, like that, has a hell of lot

1:28:49

of impact involved in living near

1:28:51

the beach. And enjoying the beach mount

1:28:53

including just having enough industrialization

1:28:56

where you live near the beach and you can get resources

1:28:58

there, etc so,

1:29:00

it's really about hatred

1:29:03

of. Human impact in particular cause. do

1:29:05

they hate beavers building hate dam

1:29:08

Know that? A bird building

1:29:10

a new. That's great that's now from.

1:29:13

The human building home know that impact

1:29:15

that's us all impact

1:29:18

is good except human impact

1:29:20

so the way I think of it as like every.

1:29:22

all impact is good except the impact of the human

1:29:24

race and said i call it human racism

1:29:26

that racism what it is isn't deep it's in

1:29:28

it's is very now the just to the races and that we've

1:29:31

fucked us except it is it's worse

1:29:34

That all racism is evil for.

1:29:36

The regular, races and we think

1:29:39

of a somebody saying like one

1:29:41

time when The people of different

1:29:43

kinds of skin color than I am usually they

1:29:45

are not as human and therefore is

1:29:47

good advice as that's evil

1:29:50

because it's false but.

1:29:52

This is saying that everything human

1:29:55

is bad. Then you how you have in it,

1:29:57

you hate the whole human race. But

1:30:00

that is a real motives, and in you

1:30:02

see, it was some of these designated experts,

1:30:04

historically who, like, will say occasionally,

1:30:07

say things about you know what we shouldn't

1:30:09

use technology or we need lot

1:30:11

is sometimes here we need lot fewer

1:30:13

people. That. Means I

1:30:15

want to kill a lot of people I go nowhere like Michael

1:30:17

Mann, I've been picking on him deservedly

1:30:19

it's, but he'll say stuff casually,

1:30:22

such as yeah, you know. That the world's it's

1:30:24

it really is carrying capacity, which is a

1:30:26

term for like how many people in town or said holds

1:30:29

like more like billion people. With

1:30:31

our billion. A billion people

1:30:33

says if I was like that's like saying the carrying

1:30:36

to that we have another person's from the caring for as his room's

1:30:38

one person. The flood, yeah,

1:30:40

one of the two of us need to die. That.

1:30:43

That we see underside risk pointing out there

1:30:45

are these glimmers of this anti humanism

1:30:47

when that I'm exposing it's essence, but

1:30:49

you see these examples also when they say like

1:30:52

you. , humans are a you sometimes

1:30:54

hear that we're cancer some as you'll see these images

1:30:56

of it's an Earth and it's got like

1:30:59

thermometer on it like it. Set

1:31:01

like we've made the Earth's sex again

1:31:04

it's the Earth is the superior

1:31:06

guidelines being. and we

1:31:09

are the evil That impacted

1:31:11

and what we're supposed to do and leave at the way

1:31:13

it is and, and not

1:31:15

impact and not that is you

1:31:17

know by the evil idea anti human

1:31:19

idea of primitive religious idea. and

1:31:22

it is ah What

1:31:24

it is dog is the dominant way

1:31:27

of thinking about. Our relationship

1:31:29

to an environment in society today.

1:31:32

It sounds like the one I'm little eliminates

1:31:34

human existence, a know if somebody

1:31:37

came to and said like, "Hey, you know what I'm

1:31:40

part of the green bear movement, so I want

1:31:42

to eliminate bear impact" Wouldn't

1:31:45

you think they just want to kill all the bears, yeah? Then

1:31:47

begin same with the humans. Let's

1:31:51

go through some of these designated

1:31:53

experts that is big enough starting with

1:31:56

Paul. Cyril, it from

1:31:58

say I, yeah.

1:32:00

Sorry. I'm single save a designated experts,

1:32:03

I think is one thing that's important, as you

1:32:05

know, we're told the scientists are, the experts

1:32:07

say, we need to get off work causing

1:32:09

climate. Catastrophe get off of we need

1:32:11

to get a fossil fuels it's, important

1:32:14

to know. that we do not

1:32:16

have access Currently.

1:32:18

The "the typical person" does not have access to

1:32:20

the actual experts in

1:32:22

the feet in the relevant fields, like

1:32:24

in this case, it's experts on climate

1:32:26

experts on pollution experts on. Energy

1:32:29

and in particular would have sex for throw me to researchers

1:32:31

to the people who are actually looking out the data

1:32:34

for actually studying it's like we

1:32:37

the that the. Decisions we are making have

1:32:39

to involve knowledge discovered

1:32:41

by thousands and thousands and thousands of actual

1:32:43

expert researchers, and so

1:32:46

what we need as we need assistance

1:32:48

that somehow takes what? The best

1:32:50

people have found and, then helps

1:32:53

put it in synthesizer so that it's

1:32:55

more compact man disseminate

1:32:57

it so that we have access to it's and

1:32:59

then. Somebody's house to help us evaluate what to

1:33:01

do about it, so I and the book have this detailed

1:33:04

discussion of what call the knowledge

1:33:06

systems and key. "Thing about it is this

1:33:08

a system that produces these

1:33:10

expert allegedly expert conclusions",

1:33:13

says it starts with the researchers and their synthesizers,

1:33:17

so the synthesizers and climate would. Be something

1:33:19

like the UN intergovernmental panel

1:33:21

on climate change so they

1:33:23

their job is to take all the climate. research

1:33:26

and put it together in an accurate way where

1:33:28

the most important stuff is revealed that

1:33:30

it's important that even if all the climate researchers

1:33:32

are right They can do bad job.

1:33:35

Then and give distortion of that. And

1:33:37

that actually happens which, are you going

1:33:39

to amend the disseminators are the people who take

1:33:41

ton of those? synthesize

1:33:43

that those kb with thousands of pages thousands the

1:33:46

new york times the washington post they're the ones you

1:33:48

tell us what are the major scientific

1:33:50

developments in the field then they evaluate

1:33:52

hers are the people or institutions

1:33:55

or helping us decide okay now that we know this

1:33:57

let's say we knew that fossils

1:34:00

You. Know C. O. Two emissions from fossil fuels worth

1:34:02

increasing track, which out the district let's say we

1:34:05

knew that the evaluators tell us what are we

1:34:07

do about that and A. Good, evaluate him and

1:34:09

tell you need to look at the benefits of

1:34:11

fossil fuels along with threat you can't just

1:34:13

look at this negative on drought you have to. Look at the positive

1:34:15

andre. In positive, everything else

1:34:18

to the key thing to realize I'm going in this whole song

1:34:20

and dance is that the system that

1:34:22

tells us the expert. Evaluation.

1:34:24

Of what to do, it can be wrong on so

1:34:27

in for West so the researchers

1:34:29

can be wrong in different ways, but especially

1:34:31

the synthesizers can be wrong the disseminators

1:34:33

can. Be wrong, the values can be rocks,

1:34:35

and so what I've argued so far is

1:34:37

that the people. People.

1:34:40

Telling us to evaluate things like,

1:34:42

and I were to do, they've been ignoring the benefits and

1:34:44

that's a total failure, so even if they're right about everything

1:34:46

else or their conclusions. Are worthless because

1:34:48

they're ignoring the benefits and so to go to the

1:34:51

designated experts the. designated

1:34:53

experts are really the representatives

1:34:55

of the knowledge system selects to

1:34:58

help us put everything together to help

1:35:00

us evaluate what to do based

1:35:02

on the knowledge of the facts so take

1:35:04

paul ehrlich that you mentioned he

1:35:06

is the number one designated

1:35:08

environmental experts as the last fifty

1:35:10

plus years In terms of the society

1:35:13

is his status in the society he

1:35:15

are so from, the

1:35:17

sixties to the present he is listen to

1:35:20

in terms of hey what are we do about these

1:35:22

issues that affect our environment? and

1:35:24

so i point out of the book he's got a sixty

1:35:27

plus your track record of being hundred eighty

1:35:29

degrees wrong about everything Though.

1:35:31

He predicted population bomb in

1:35:33

the Sixties, U.S., and we had too many people

1:35:35

when they were fewer than four billion people

1:35:38

now have double that and the world is better.

1:35:40

Said than ever and, but he's predictive

1:35:42

of pollution would be so terrible just

1:35:44

six kill so many people. ah

1:35:47

he was involved in predictions of catastrophic

1:35:49

global cooling said mass deaths

1:35:51

from catastrophic global warming one

1:35:53

of his allies as close as you might ask

1:35:55

about as ask guy named john holdren who was

1:35:57

it is was close collaborator of ehrlich's And

1:36:00

what became he became rewarded

1:36:02

for his great scientific work by

1:36:04

becoming President Obama as chief science advisor.

1:36:08

I'm. Being sarcastic with great scientific work

1:36:10

because in the mid eighties, he predicted

1:36:12

that billion pick up to billion people

1:36:14

would die from climate related causes

1:36:17

do the fossil fuels. And twenty two thousand billion,

1:36:19

yeah, and recordings and twenty two. Help

1:36:23

from famine. "The world

1:36:25

is better said than ever in climate

1:36:27

related disaster deaths are at an all time low, so he

1:36:29

was hundred eighty degrees wrong", I

1:36:31

realized when was reading this book, "We don't even have a turn"

1:36:34

Until now, for how wrong these people were. That's

1:36:37

not completely wrong. Of

1:36:39

exact opposite. What?

1:36:41

Happened, that's why I call it a hundred eighty degrees from, could

1:36:43

they're the exact opposite direction

1:36:46

was, the truth, but yet these people

1:36:48

are considered the experts

1:36:51

said the system? Is telling us, "Hey, listen to these guy's

1:36:53

rights, they will lead you, astray

1:36:56

and yet among other things, so the two things

1:36:58

about them is they deny the benefits of fossil"

1:37:00

Fuels, and they can pass when

1:37:02

i called catastrophizing the side

1:37:04

effects if he takes something like warming

1:37:07

what happened there as we did cause

1:37:09

some warming but in general they

1:37:11

predicted way more warming and in particular

1:37:14

they predicted way more damage from warming

1:37:17

and no ability of us to masterwork

1:37:20

and that was just totally wrong The

1:37:22

is designated experts, this is the pier make

1:37:25

interpret one until they ignore

1:37:27

the benefits of fossil fuels. They.

1:37:29

Don't just only focus on the side effects, they catastrophes,

1:37:32

the side effects, they wildly overstate

1:37:34

the side effects, and this is why

1:37:37

you get these crazy predictions that to

1:37:39

fossil fuels. Are gonna ruin the world's you've gotten is

1:37:41

predicted fifty years and they've made the world

1:37:43

incredibly better now.

1:37:49

Who's designating these experts and well

1:37:51

so it's I call it the knowledge system, which is it

1:37:53

there wasn't a good term for what this is, so it's the

1:37:56

institutions that are charged

1:37:58

with giving us. Usable. Expert

1:38:01

knowledge of the general public, so, for instance,

1:38:03

take our poll, Ehrlich's like

1:38:05

he will be seated in major newspapers

1:38:08

line the popular media, even as an example

1:38:10

eyesight of. His dominance use on as it's

1:38:12

over dozen times the journey through some shit

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was just shows how, you know, he

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threw the New York Times will feature him on something.

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And, on You know, the

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it it's the people that. Here are we here from

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lot, but it's really the system

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of in usually that. Really,

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now there's reason why. I.

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Think it's more uniform than it used to be, and

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my theory about this is that it's costs government

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controls so much as knowledge

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today critically research so much research

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academically is. Funded by governments and

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that tends to lead toward monopoly type