Episode Transcript
Transcripts are displayed as originally observed. Some content, including advertisements may have changed.
Use Ctrl + F to search
0:00
This is the BBC. A
0:30
lot can happen in the next three years. A
0:43
lot can happen in the next three
0:45
years. Like a chatbot may be your
0:47
new best friend. But what won't change?
0:49
Needing health insurance. UnitedHealthcare Tri-Term Medical Plans
0:51
are available for these changing times. Underwritten
0:54
by Golden Rule Insurance Company, they offer
0:56
budget-friendly, flexible coverage for people who are
0:58
in between jobs or missed open enrollment.
1:00
The plans last nearly three years in
1:03
some states, with access to a nationwide
1:05
network of doctors and hospitals. So for
1:07
whatever tomorrow brings, UnitedHealthcare Tri-Term Medical Plans
1:09
may be for you. Learn more at uh1.com.
1:13
Hello, welcome to Short Cuts. I'm Josie Long.
1:15
I'm currently looking out of my window at
1:17
a seagull on the top of a lamppost,
1:20
feeling very connected to the natural world
1:22
in a simple, small way. Today's
1:25
episode is about acts of devotion, small
1:28
acts of love and tenderness, how
1:31
we honour one another and the world around us. And I
1:33
hope you like it. The seagull's
1:35
looking about. I don't know what she's up to. She's
1:37
looking about. Oh, now she's looking at me. Okay,
1:40
now I'm feeling a sense of threat. This
1:45
is Short Cuts. Brief
1:47
encounters. True stories. Radio
1:51
adventures. And found sound.
1:54
Today, devotions.
2:00
and it's committed a homicide.
2:03
How did they get there? What
2:05
happened to them? I avoided mirrors. I
2:07
didn't like when photos were taken of me. I would always
2:09
make a silly face because I think a certain aspect of
2:11
me knew that I was being perceived in a way that
2:14
didn't align with who I was. In
2:16
my experience of animals, their
2:19
ability to experience grief and sadness
2:22
and also openness and
2:24
responsiveness is unmatched
2:26
by humans. A
2:35
text message making sure you're home. An
2:38
invitation for a cooked meal. Brushing
2:41
your children's teeth. Giving
2:44
yourself a moment of reflection.
2:48
What's your idea of love? What's
2:51
your idea of community? Do
2:54
we need to know the person to care? We
2:58
begin our letter of care with
3:00
a piece by audio documentary maker Mark
3:02
Kalani. It's about the
3:04
work of capital mitigation specialists who
3:07
spend years excavating the buried histories
3:09
and traumas of
3:11
the lives of people given the death sentence in
3:13
America. They offer
3:15
prosecutors, judges and jurors an
3:17
opportunity to see humans where
3:19
others see monsters. Mark
3:22
says that ultimately the mitigation specialist work is
3:24
about mercy and it's work that's credited as
3:29
a leading factor in the dramatic decline
3:31
of death sentences in America. This
3:35
is life or death. I
3:39
remember many years ago, very
3:41
early in my career as
3:43
a mitigation specialist, I
3:46
was working with a young man
3:48
who had committed double murder of two
3:51
women who were very kind to him. And
3:55
he wanted the death penalty. He
3:57
did not deserve, he said, to live.
4:00
because of what he had done. And
4:03
he said to me, he said to me, he was really worth
4:05
it. He said, how can you as a woman
4:09
want to spare my life
4:13
for what I did to two women? How
4:16
can you look at me and want to do that? I
4:18
said, because when I look at you, I do not
4:20
see the 25-year-old who
4:23
killed two persons. I see
4:25
the five-year-old child who was placed in a
4:27
tub of hot water and could not lie
4:29
on his back for three months. Brutal
4:32
stepfather did that to him when he
4:34
was only five years old. That's
4:38
who I see. He
4:42
didn't question me after that. You
4:47
have to understand for many of our clients,
4:51
no one's acknowledged their
4:54
trauma, their assault, what's
4:56
made them crazy. If
4:59
a person is 30 years old and
5:01
is committed a homicide, how
5:04
did they get there? What happened
5:06
to them? They may
5:08
not be able to articulate it, but
5:11
by the time I finish
5:13
my investigation, many
5:16
of my clients say, now
5:18
you understand. My
5:22
name is Carmita Albaras, and for
5:24
the past 35 years,
5:27
I've been doing capital mitigation
5:29
work. My
5:32
name is Cecilia. My formal
5:34
name is Cecilia Alfonso, but
5:36
I'm known as Cecy, and
5:39
I've been doing mitigation work for
5:41
over 30 years. I'll
5:44
never forget a mother
5:47
saying it's as though her
5:49
child had gotten the death penalty
5:51
at birth because
5:54
of the horrific life that
5:57
he endured at the hands of
5:59
his father. I'll
6:02
never forget that, but in a lot of ways
6:04
it is as though they got to that penalty
6:06
because of the life that they were born into.
6:10
Life of abuse and neglect and
6:13
abandonment and
6:15
sadly for them their
6:17
lives do not meet much. And
6:21
so the irony when
6:24
the lawyer, the
6:28
mitigation specialist and
6:32
everyone who's on a make-up, this
6:34
defense team is going to this person who
6:37
never felt that their life had any meaning because
6:39
the teachers never saw it as having any meaning,
6:41
the community never saw it as having any meaning,
6:44
the parents never saw it as having any meaning
6:46
and they were going to say, you know something,
6:49
we want to save your life. How
6:53
ironic. The
6:56
life that was totally
6:58
neglected by society up
7:01
until this point we really want to save your
7:03
life. We want to talk to you about saving
7:05
your life. And
7:08
so it's not
7:11
just about the wretched
7:13
life, but it's
7:15
also about the strengths
7:19
of our clients. The
7:22
fact that no matter
7:25
how horrific the crime is,
7:28
there is good. And so we've got
7:30
to find that good because we've got
7:32
to demonstrate to a jury why this life should
7:34
be saved. My
7:39
responsibility is
7:41
to present my
7:44
client as a human being. The
7:48
prosecutor's responsibility is
7:51
to present that client as
7:54
non-human, as
7:57
an animal, as somebody
7:59
that you know. should kill,
8:01
that you should sentence to
8:03
death that they're not deserving of
8:06
compassion and life. I'm
8:10
a storyteller. I really
8:12
am a storyteller. That's what a mitigation
8:14
person is. You're telling the person's story
8:18
and it's who tells the best story.
8:21
Is it going to be the government
8:23
or the prosecution? Or is it going to be telling,
8:26
talking about the monster? Or
8:28
is it going to be the mitigation person going to
8:30
be telling about being a five-year-old boy who was called
8:32
in hot water? Now
8:37
I've had over a thousand
8:39
cases. 90%
8:44
of those cases are individuals
8:47
of color. Let
8:49
me tell you, there
8:51
is nothing more rewarding or
8:54
satisfying for me. And
8:57
we're assuring for
9:00
family members and the
9:02
descendants when
9:04
they see somebody that looks like
9:06
them. I'm telling
9:08
you, it affirms that
9:10
I'm doing the right thing when
9:13
a family member and the
9:15
client opens the door and
9:17
sees me and says, oh my
9:19
god, thank you. Thank
9:22
you so much. Because
9:25
all these white people, I
9:28
know they're not interested in defending my son or
9:31
my daughter or my nephew
9:34
or my grandson and
9:36
are terrified of a system that long
9:38
has a history of
9:41
oppressing them as opposed to
9:43
helping them. I had
9:47
a case years ago. The
9:49
client was in for
9:51
murder and killed again. And I went
9:53
to meet with the mother and
9:57
I said to her, I'm with
9:59
this mother. And I said, you know,
10:01
I'm really trying to understand. There
10:04
was such an overkill. And
10:07
she said, let me tell you why my son is
10:09
the way he is. And
10:12
she just pulled her shirt and
10:15
showed me the step wounds that
10:19
his father inflicted on her. And
10:22
he saw this when he was seven years old, gutted
10:26
her. And
10:31
same number of times, the son stabbed
10:33
his person in prison. Yeah,
10:41
he didn't go for the dead pound in this case. He
10:44
did not go for the dead pound in this case. How
10:48
do you know that? Mitigation
10:54
works because of
10:57
our humanity. It
11:00
is the humanity in all of us
11:02
that has helped my people go
11:05
from having bits in their mouth
11:07
as slaves to me sitting here
11:09
being interviewed. Humanity
11:12
transcends race,
11:17
class, heinous
11:19
crimes. If
11:22
you take human beings
11:26
and you point out that
11:28
that individual that the
11:30
state wants to destroy is a
11:33
human being, most human
11:35
beings on this planet identify with
11:38
that. That's
11:42
all I got. I
11:44
don't have anything else because and I've been proven right.
11:48
And 95 percent of the
11:50
time when it is
11:53
the humanity of that individual who
11:55
for a moment lost it by
11:59
committing this heinous. is crime, those
12:01
12 people and a judge,
12:04
when I present the human being,
12:06
it taps into the
12:08
humanity of those 12 people and
12:10
they give them life. And
12:15
that's what it's fundamentally about. Really.
12:25
That was Life or Death by Mark Kalani.
12:30
In our next paragraph of love, we
12:32
find ourselves sitting in a sonic
12:34
sensory experience, fusing
12:37
interview tape with ASMR style
12:39
recordings taken on binaural microphones
12:41
during a haircut. Trans
12:44
audio producer, journalist and filmmaker
12:46
Luca Evans sets out
12:48
to highlight the importance of haircuts
12:51
as a tool for trans self-actualisation.
12:55
And I just want to say, if you'd
12:57
like to get the full experience, I highly
12:59
recommend listening with headphones. This
13:02
is Buzz. Hi.
13:17
Hey, what's up? You must
13:19
be Smokey. Yes, Joel. Welcome.
13:22
Thank you. I'm like
13:24
a marvellous chair. Alright,
13:27
I'm gonna get you ready for your haircut.
13:31
It's a figure experience to have a haircut because someone
13:33
is touching your body, maintaining what
13:36
you look like in the world. For
13:41
me, I know that haircuts are
13:44
one important supporting pillar to who
13:46
and how I am. So
13:49
what do you want to do today? Definitely, let's
13:51
tighten everything up. I'm looking a
13:54
little overgrown. Been a couple months.
13:57
Definitely hit the sides, please. Get the
13:59
sides in nice and tight. Yeah, like a
14:01
fade. A fade would be good. Yeah,
14:03
I'm used to being able to like feel
14:05
the feel the oh like
14:07
that velcro We like yeah the texture. I
14:09
want to feel I want to feel my
14:11
head. I want to feel my head I want to
14:13
feel my head Think
14:19
I'm picking up everything you're putting down. I want to start
14:21
with the side All
14:25
right, here we go My
14:28
name is Jules my pronouns are they them
14:31
I recently turned 26 years old I Am
14:35
trans racially adopted trans
14:38
non-binary community
14:40
educator community organizer dreamer
14:43
and doer yeah,
14:45
I'm passionate and I
14:48
try to be a man of my word and not to be gendered a
14:51
person of my word if you will My
14:55
Father was very transphobic and homophobic when I came out
14:57
as queer So I guess that
15:00
stopped me from ever wondering or exploring
15:02
whether or not I could be trans
15:07
After my dad passed that's
15:09
when I went
15:11
from only having long hair to
15:13
no hair Everything
15:18
started feeling freer like I guess shaving my head freed
15:21
me from this idea that there were certain like I
15:23
had to do things a certain way I Think
15:29
that it's important that there are
15:32
queer and trans barber shops because you have to be
15:35
centered Acceptance
15:39
isn't enough just acknowledging someone isn't enough. It's well are they
15:41
gonna use your pronouns? Are they going
15:43
to like make sure that you're happy with the cut not just
15:46
like steamrolling you? Yeah feeling safe All
15:48
right, let's check in What
15:54
do you think nice do you like how
15:56
the sides are Short
16:00
enough there? Yeah. We have to
16:02
move over to a different technique. Switch over to this. Let's see if
16:04
we're overcombed. I think that
16:07
going to a trans mass barber is important
16:09
for me. We're co-creating
16:11
the experience like a haircut feels co-created.
16:17
And I think that I like the haircut better because we
16:19
share and live the experience of how we are perceived in
16:21
this world. Alright, I'm
16:27
going to turn you and start getting into
16:30
this. I'm going to use the
16:32
shears from now. Okay, thanks. I
16:35
realize my transness in community with
16:37
other trans folk. Yeah.
16:40
Like you hatch each other. There's a concept of
16:42
like hatching each other in community when like one
16:44
person who might be realizing their trans experience or
16:46
their transness, they start their journeys at the same
16:48
time because I think they're encouraged. And so that's
16:51
where I think hatching is like very commonplace. I
16:53
love all
16:56
these. Thanks. It
17:01
was from scratch scratching as a child. When I first
17:03
shaved my head, that was when I realized I had
17:05
bald spots and I was really self-conscious
17:08
and it was also like really like humbling, I
17:10
guess, to like be reminded of that period of
17:12
my life in which I scratched my head
17:14
out of like anxiety and like fear because I was a
17:16
child. I didn't realize that it would have lifelong
17:20
visible impacts. I
17:25
saw a post recently and it was like, who
17:28
cares about being cool? Are you someone
17:30
who would like keep your childhood self
17:32
safe today? And I think
17:34
that's where I'm at in which I
17:38
am no
17:40
longer like the kid who feels like I
17:44
have to hide who I am. I'm
17:55
grown now. I'm grown
17:57
now and I can advocate.
18:00
for myself, I can speak up
18:02
for myself, and I can speak up for other people too.
18:05
And I think that that was a really beautiful moment
18:07
in which the scars that I
18:09
used to be really self-conscious about were regarded
18:11
as a starry sky was
18:13
really important and
18:16
meaningful because they are. That
18:18
was a starry sky that I like, I don't
18:20
know, dreamed of. All
18:23
right, so I'm going to hold up the mirror. All
18:29
right, what do you think? For
18:33
years, until I started exploring
18:35
my appearance, I avoided
18:37
mirrors. I didn't like when photos were taken of
18:39
me. I would always make a silly face because
18:42
I didn't feel good with how I looked because
18:44
I think a certain aspect of me knew that
18:47
I was being perceived in a way that didn't
18:49
align with who I was. Oh, this
18:51
is great. Thank you so much. I'm loving my
18:53
self-esteem plus 10. Hell
18:57
yes. The
19:00
seemingly simple act of getting a
19:02
haircut can change your self-esteem,
19:04
it can change your outlook on things,
19:07
it just completely changes how you feel.
19:10
Or it can if you let it. That
19:17
was Burned by Luca Evans. And
19:20
I cannot tell you how thrilled I
19:23
am that finally we've got a piece
19:25
featuring a shortcut on shortcuts.
19:28
It's only taken us 10 years to get to the pun,
19:30
but the best things come to those who wait.
19:36
In our last line to devotion,
19:38
we remember that it is also
19:40
beyond the human. A
19:42
beloved animal friend, the
19:44
rain, a sunrise. For
19:49
tens of thousands of years, horses
19:52
have been our companions for healing.
19:55
They are, as Ted Hughes put it
19:57
in his poem, The Horses, as
19:59
patient. as the horizon. Made
20:03
by audio producer Tej Adelaye, she
20:05
tells us, "...equine therapy
20:07
is a holistic approach to mental
20:09
health that involves working with horses
20:12
who, as very honest animals,
20:14
can hold up a mirror to our experiences.
20:18
As larger mammals, they co-regulate
20:20
nervous systems and
20:23
offer lessons about spatial awareness,
20:25
boundaries and presence." This
20:28
is a piece about locating stillness
20:31
in a busy body mind and
20:34
journeying with horses through rituals
20:37
to help build new neural
20:39
pathways within. This
20:42
is Patient as the Horizon.
20:52
"...a highly sensual response that many
20:55
changes to an energy field
20:57
they will tune into straight away."
21:01
And that mirror is back to us. What's going on in
21:03
here? "...so
21:05
we can push the energy up, we can bring
21:08
it down, same an hour cup.
21:11
You explore that through the horses. If
21:14
you don't get a response from the horse, then
21:18
you haven't set your intention. You're
21:22
half-nated. They'll feel it." And
21:26
that's what we teach here, to look
21:29
at those cues. What is the horse
21:31
trying to tell us? The horse
21:33
only talks to us through its body language
21:36
and posture, so we have to tune
21:38
into them and they tune in to us. The
21:42
London Equine Therapy Centre is a place
21:44
for people to come and explore their
21:46
emotions. We have all age
21:49
groups here from the age of 72 all the
21:51
way down to the age of 4, all
21:53
different behavioural and emotional conditions.
22:00
people have ASD and people
22:02
ADHD and people have had
22:04
a bereavement and people have
22:06
had horrible events happening in their lives that
22:10
they still struggle to process
22:12
or stop them fulfilling their life
22:14
to the full. Which
22:17
is why we gave five rescue horses a
22:19
home because they haven't had perfect lives either.
22:22
They've knitted that together. I
22:30
met this semi-wild horse and her small daughter.
22:41
I started to approach her and
22:44
I lowered my head bowing
22:47
to her. What she
22:49
communicated to me was that in horse culture
22:51
it is based on respect and that her
22:54
experience of humans is that they weren't very
22:56
respectful towards her and they didn't recognize
22:58
her autonomy. As
23:00
I was bowing to her, I
23:03
showed her that I cared about her being comfortable.
23:07
And when I stood up, she
23:09
invited me to come to her. I
23:14
was intrigued
23:19
and then she would
23:21
turn around and
23:23
I would look forward.
23:31
And we did a little dance every morning
23:33
for about forty minutes. We
23:35
had to work with her to treat it.
23:39
We were having a very special
23:42
conversation with her. Apollo?
23:44
You're feeding her Apollo? Wow.
23:50
This is the pony that was in the home, she had.
23:53
She had, well, below her head back,
23:56
had a cold, taken a frozen
23:58
home. Something
24:01
that I love very much just passed away. And
24:03
what I remember is the mama
24:07
horse's grief. She had lost
24:10
a baby and that grief
24:12
changed her. In my
24:14
experience of animals, their ability
24:16
to experience grief and sadness
24:19
and also openness and
24:21
receptiveness is unmatched
24:24
by humans. And I am
24:29
really trying where I'm going through
24:31
personal grief but also
24:33
grief over genocide and collective
24:36
conditions. To feel am
24:38
I sadness and my heartbreak and
24:40
my pain and also my love
24:42
and my yearning to be present.
24:45
And it's a practice.
24:47
It's a practice. You
24:51
look so beautiful. He's
24:53
not in that business. This is
24:55
Charles. He was quite under him.
24:58
He was so kind. So with him he
25:00
has a very bubbly energy. And
25:03
when someone's spiraling with
25:05
their mental health, we
25:07
work with him to show them how
25:09
to reset their baseline. He's
25:14
working on his own. He's working on his
25:16
own. He's working on his own. He's
25:19
working on his own. He's
25:21
working on his own. He's working on his
25:23
own. So this
25:25
is your brush. Okay.
25:28
I'm going to brush you now. And start
25:30
on the neck and your shoulder. Oh
25:33
I love it. Oh he
25:35
does mine quite hard. Okay. So
25:42
this is also a regulating act for the horse.
25:44
And the... He's
25:48
in a very calm state.
25:50
Therefore he will co-regulate in
25:52
her decision. Being
25:55
the larger mama. The
25:57
mama horse, and I just kind of called her
25:59
mama, We were hanging out and
26:01
we were snuggling, cheek to cheek. And
26:03
I started stressing out. When I started
26:05
getting really in my head, and
26:08
I was slipping into anxiety, she stiffened,
26:10
and then she started to pull away.
26:12
And I was like, I
26:14
wasn't safe because I had abandoned myself and
26:16
I had abandoned her. I
26:20
tried to get my breathing to a place
26:22
where I was really like breathing into my
26:24
body. And as I did so, she
26:27
settled back into me. And when I
26:29
returned to my body, the fears
26:31
were there. Some bad and sad feelings. I
26:33
didn't bother her at all because I was
26:36
present. And that wasn't unsafe for
26:38
her. And it wasn't unsafe for me, even
26:40
though my survival mechanisms told me that
26:42
it was unsafe to stay when I
26:45
felt that way. Because at one time
26:47
it was unsafe. So
26:49
one of the challenges we do
26:51
here is picking up the horse's
26:53
foot and cleaning it, which takes
26:55
a lot of track from the horse to
26:57
allow that to happen. All
27:00
right, we're going to stand at his shoulder,
27:02
face his tail, wait for him to settle.
27:04
All right, please. We're going to pick
27:06
your hoof. Stand
27:12
a little bit closer to that leg. OK. Jesus
27:16
Christ. Oh, wait, no, it's close. I'm
27:19
fine. So we're thinking about our intention now. We're going to
27:21
pick up his first. OK. He might move.
27:23
He might not. Oh,
27:26
that just beat me with his head. Good
27:31
boy. We're going down. Good.
27:34
All right, somebody say no, wait. If
27:40
I were watching you, I'd say, let's have
27:43
more practice. You're asking a little
27:45
bit too politely. I'll
27:47
just play that in other ages of my
27:49
life. I
27:53
can see this. Our
27:57
survival mechanisms keep
27:59
us. out of certain rooms of the
28:01
house, if you will. You think of our
28:03
consciousness as a big old house.
28:06
There's something of that
28:09
pause, the pause that
28:11
the mama horse required. It
28:15
was, tend to yourself human,
28:17
so that you can be
28:20
a safe animal for me to interact with.
28:23
That practice can build
28:25
on itself. And you know,
28:27
depending on an individual's trauma or situation,
28:30
it is that practice that helps us
28:32
return home and stay home, you know,
28:34
and to eventually fill up all of
28:36
the rooms of our consciousness so that
28:39
we are more whole. That
28:46
was Patient as the Horizon by
28:48
Tej Adelayee. I'm
28:51
reminded of the idea that we
28:53
as humans are a lonely species,
28:55
that we sequestered ourselves away from
28:57
other large animals. We
28:59
should be surrounded by other larger animals. And
29:02
I think that's why equine therapy is so
29:04
successful, because that moving feeling when you see
29:07
a horse, when you're encountered by how big
29:09
it is and how beautiful it is, that
29:12
must on some level be our little
29:14
animal brains, registering that this
29:16
is right and this is natural. We're
29:19
relational beings, and our
29:21
love for things, for animals, shouldn't be
29:23
something to be embarrassed about. But
29:26
a joy to remind us
29:28
that we're alive.
Podchaser is the ultimate destination for podcast data, search, and discovery. Learn More