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Hosting with me today is my partner, my ADHD squirrel wrangler, my submissive, my brat,

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my little my pony, or just my little pony, the bullwink-hole to my rocky little bit.

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This is episode number eight, and with us today is Whipfather to talk about Whips.

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Hi, thank you for having me today.

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Learn the basic practices of Whipplay and a short history lesson.

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Learn the parts of the whip and the different types of whips and recommendations for setting

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the scene for mood and risk-aware safety.

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But first, a word from our sponsor.

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Whipfather's journey began at seven with his first whip.

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He didn't know what that would turn into. When he tied up his boyfriend at 20, he began to suspect.

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Despite hints of SNM throughout his life, he didn't act on them, staying on the fringe

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of leather, at 21 he moved from small town Pennsylvania to San Diego.

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In 1988, he became clean and sober, later joining Knights of Iron, a clean sober gay motorcycle

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club. Getting involved with other groups, he created Hotash San Diego.

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He learned of Leatherfest 3 and after attending wanted to get involved.

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A friend chaired the event and suggested he help with Leatherfest 4 and would eventually

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encourage him to take his position.

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With Father Co-Chair, Leatherfest 5.

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Clean and sober for five years but needing more support helps start a Leather SNM AA meeting,

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sobriety and miracles that continues to this day.

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He served on the board of NLA/CLABX for five years.

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In 1997, he attended the first Leather Leadership Conference began working with MCC.

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Leather Ministries and HEMPRO CORT D-SAN-D-AGO.

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Set up events for he MSL 1998 E.Co. chaired Leatherfest 10 and provided workshops for Leather

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Realm and Mr. San Diego Leather.

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During this time, Whitfather worked on the San Diego Leather History Project, went to school

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for museum studies, worked full time and created Whitbart, which I am going to ask about later

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because that sounds fascinating.

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These honors include a Leather Sentinel Award from NLA San Diego 1997, Mr. San Diego Leather.

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Leather prints for life with the HEMPRO CORT D-SAN-D-AGO Lifetime Achievement Awards from

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Leatherfest in San Diego Leather Awards.

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Sisters of perpetual indulgence granted the title of Saint Mark.

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After moving to Cincinnati in 2009, life was simple.

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They were to venture out, living and playing in the lifestyle again.

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Since moving, he has hosted men's only parties and presented for T-PAC since NLA and Klau,

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including single-tail workshops, extreme whipping, cigar play and crucifixion.

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He currently works with Recovery in Lifestyle and leaves a full unexpected life.

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He has the best boy ever, is happy and love and enjoys life to the fullest.

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With 35 plus years of experience, he considers himself still teachable, wanting to learn new things.

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He comes with old guard experience and changes with today's environment.

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Welcome to the show, Whitfather.

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Thank you. Tell us about Whips.

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Well, let's start from the beginning.

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How does that sound? Sounds perfect.

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So we're going to give you a little history lesson.

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Okay. You know, Whips have mostly been used for the control or management of animals without

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hitting, you know, without hitting them and men for the means of punishment.

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In a time when agriculture, construction work and transportation were dependent upon animal

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power. And cattle were raised in the open range, driven to market and whips were a common place

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of everyday life. There were many types and many styles.

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Today the skill is a workplace in the workplace, largely confined to American and Australian

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cattlemen. However, it's been maintained and developed by Shomen in the Western shows, rodeos, animal

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trainers in the circuses.

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If we still have those, I'm not sure about that.

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And by whip artists in theaters and rent fairs, most punishment whips have been shorter in

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lengths, not more than three feet long.

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Long whips were used to drive labor as in slavery or prison labor.

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And slaves were often described by the type of whips that were used on them.

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The Romans introduced whipping into their religious ceremonies, especially the festival of the

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Lepuricle. It performed in the honor of the God pan and named for the place under the Palatine Mountain

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where sacrifices are performed.

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This takes place on the 15th of February every year.

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So if you miss Valentine's Day, you have the Lepuricle.

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Well, there we go.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So that's my little history lesson of what I have learned over the years.

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Okay. So we have a question from a Twitter follower who wanted to go basic and explain the different

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types of whips like bullsignal, steak, etc.

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Sure.

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Let's see.

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There are three main types.

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There's the bull whip, black snakes, and stock whips.

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And whatever you use is your personal preference.

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And it's if not dictated by the availability of where you live.

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Bullwips have a hard rigid handle and are unloaded and they're braided to the tapering point.

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And this is a great whip to use.

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The variation on the bull whip has a handle that rotates and it's called a swivel handle

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bull whip.

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So who knew?

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Black snakes are also a shot whip.

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And what I mean by that is the whip is loaded.

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Usually with lead shot about two thirds of the length, it doesn't have a rigid handle and

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the whips are flexible all the way to the top and the bottom.

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And this is a good whip for all types of shots.

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And the black whip or I'm sorry, the black snakes and the bullwips are similar but can be

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thought of as American whips.

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And the bull whip is lighter to carry around.

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A black snake is smaller so you can coil that up.

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They are equivalent in effect, but the bull whip is known to be more accurate.

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Now the stock whip, they are a little different and they have two parts.

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A handle much like a riding crop and is braided all the way down to the thong.

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The whip is hinged to it and is narrow.

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Narrow, wow I can't speak today.

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This is an Australian design and most Aussie whips are of this kind.

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It is the most accurate of all of them.

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Very fast in action but it is harder to master because of the handle and requires more rooms

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of throw. It is likely that you will throw a bull whip or a black snake as opposed to a stock whip.

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Now I have a couple of more that I want to hit on this topic.

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Sure. Yeah, the single tails or single whips which those names are interchangeable.

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They are usually shorter and they are 3 to 4 feet.

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They lack a fall and sometimes are loaded, sometimes are not.

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They have a loose, flexible handle permanently attached to the lash in the cracker.

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These were introduced as dogs led racing whips although they don't hit the dogs but they

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just make the sound. So the BDSM community has taken over with these because you see the more and more in the

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dungeons and they are easier to use for the limited space that we have.

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There is also something called a performance hybrid where a pH as the whip people talk

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about. These are a cross between a stock with a handle and a bull whip.

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They are primarily made of nylon material and used for whip cracking enthusiasts and you

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see a lot of them used in the rent fair and the whip cracking contest.

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There is one that happens every year in LA I have never been but it is supposed to be fun

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from what I hear.

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There is a couple of more that are not really whips but they are in the whip family and

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they are considered whips. So these are galley whips, dragons tails, paracord whip which I might add is a great investment

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until you learn. You can always buy a nice one later when you are comfortable with it.

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FYI. Courts, riding crops?

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Yes. They are also in the whip category.

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First Buggies, first Buggie Whips which are more like a crop, a cat and an intel, cow whips

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which are usually nylon rather than leather and they are used to drive cows and are mostly

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used in the Philippines these days.

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Fire Whips and they are played with very differently.

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I have one although I have never used it.

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And special mentions are a Shambok which are massive whips of rhino or hippo skins and

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they are used to drive oxen by the South African and later they were used by the South African

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police to control masses during apartheid and riots.

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Wow. I am not sure how to pronounce this word.

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I have listened to it a number of times and I am still not sure if I get it right.

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It is a Kallilla bin.

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It is a Chinese word for a unicorn whip used in China and in later the 1900s for martial

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arts and are made of a steel chain wrapped around leather.

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So those are all my types of whip.

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Interesting. I am aware of.

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So tell me a little bit about the different parts of a whip.

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I know what a handle is but you mentioned a thong of a whip.

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I have no idea what that is.

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No clue. Alright.

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So and this is a lot better in person.

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I am sorry we are not in person but I have a whip.

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I use a bull whip to demonstrate all of this but we will do our best.

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So the principal part of the whip from the top down.

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So on the top you have the butt or the button and that is the knob at the top and there

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may also be a handle loop.

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Bullwips usually don't have a handle loop but single tails and black snakes do.

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And the reason they do that is because on a bullwip when you are using it with cows or cattle

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if it got caught you just let the whip go.

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If it is connected to your wrist you can't obviously let it go and it will pull them, you

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know pull the cowboys off their horses so they usually don't have a loop handle.

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The handle grip is the next part and it is often braided a little differently.

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And they are on a bullwip though that is the hard part.

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That is where you hold it. On a single tail on a black snake there is not one of those because they are flexible

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all the way up. And that leads into the neck and that is where it first starts to be flexible and go down.

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So if you can imagine the hard part on a bullwip and then it curves a little bit that is

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considered the neck. And then the body or thong is the main part and that goes all the way down until you get

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to the point.

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And the point is the end of where the braiding has happened.

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Unless we are talking about a single tail then there is no more after that except the cracker.

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But on a bullwip the next part is a lash or a fall and that is usually a raw high latigo

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strip and it is attached to the whip at the point and then the cracker is at the end of

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the lash or the fall and that is a replaceable thing for some.

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A bullwip definitely you can replace it is replaceable.

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In a single tail they are woven in so if you need that cracker replaced on a single tail

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you have to take a tool whip person to fix it for you.

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So that is kind of the gist of what they look like and what the parts of them.

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I was just some really good descriptions for being on a podcast and not having the visual.

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So appreciate that.

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Absolutely.

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So all the different types of whips you mentioned are they not safe for kink because I

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don't like that word safe but appropriate for kink.

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Well yes and no all of them are appropriate.

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I personally think however it also depends on the room that you have.

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So for me if I can do a circle around my head with the whip and I have that much space that's

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my whip circle. So you know that is my top space is the way I look at that.

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So if you are going to use a 16 foot bullwip you have to have 16 feet in front of you.

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Press your arm length 16 feet behind you and 16 feet on both sides.

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You have to be able to make a circle with that whip.

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And as long as you know a lot of times with bullwips and long whips they are done outside

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as opposed to in a dungeon where we use the forefoot because they are just easier and

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you know not all spaces are available to have that much room.

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But if you got the room and you can handle it I say go for it.

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So how do you pick out which type of whip is right for you?

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That goes to skill.

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You know I always suggest a paracord whip to start out because when you have those you're

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not putting a big investment in but you know just because you can pick up a whip and you

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can make it make a sound.

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Some people don't have the skill set and you know we have plenty of sports that we can

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play and maybe whips is not your thing.

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Maybe electricity is more of your thing.

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But you know if you have the skill set and you can do that I let for my personal journey

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I let whips sing to me.

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So if I pick up a whip and it feels good in my hand it sings to me and I go yep I need

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that one.

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You know and lately the last one I got made so I didn't really pick it up I had it made

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for me and I have another one on order to be made for me.

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And you know and those I wanted with specific colors and something a little different

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than because a lot of my whips are black so I wanted something with lots of color and you

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know for God's sakes I am a game man.

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I need lots of color.

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So you know you just do your best.

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But you know if you have the skills and it talks to you I say you know pick up what's

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best for you but no know your skills.

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So as somebody who has done vlogging before and if ever wanted to get into whips or you're

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really really basic newbie person what do you recommend to getting started?

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I would suggest going to classes for sure.

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You know and learning from different people I and whip people believe it or not they don't

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usually work with each other.

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And so everybody has their own style and I can tell people that I have trained because they

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they have the same style I do and other people you know they they don't have the same style

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but going to classes watching other people and and if you're a bottom you know see if that

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person is willing to play with you but for sure you need to watch what they do you know

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you have to be able to figure out what's what's good for you and you know we always talk

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about you know risk of where and you know there's always going to be risk of whereness with

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whips it is always so I suggest classes in talking to an expert in that field or watching an

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expert and see if they'll play with you as far as tops I say talk to another whip person

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they're very helpful and they can teach you a lot of tricks that they've learned over the

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over the years.

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There's also a book that I'd like to recommend it's by Dex he's out of Florida Gex and it's

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Whips in the Dungeon it's a very good book he also does YouTube videos and he's very thorough

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and you know I've never met him personally I've talked to him but I think he's a fantastic

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you know he's got a fantastic book and the the YouTube videos are good but you know there's

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only so much you can do when you're reading there's much more that you could do with hands

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on. I'd imagine that unlike other forms of impact it does take a lot more practice because

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you have to do a lot more to aim whips.

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Indeed, you know I didn't really know anything about whips when I when I got here and I have

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been playing with them for 35 years and I still learned something new all the time and

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one of the biggest things that you can do to get where you want to go is practice practice

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practice and more practice.

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There isn't any other way to do it except practice and you don't have to practice on a person

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you know and you can practice with a with a pillow or a sheepskin as Dex uses a lot so

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that way you can see where where the tail is actually hitting because it is going really

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really fast and I have been you know I've been doing this for a long time and just so you

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know the the the reason a whip cracks is because it's moving beyond the speed of sound which

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is 761.2 at sea level and it changes with altitude and atmospheric temperature or 343 meters

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per second or you know 12 35 kilometers and it creates a vacuum in space and whips are also

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the first man made object to break the sound the speed of sound barrier.

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Okay that little bit of science just sounded sexier and hell thank you for sure.

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You're welcome and it goes the whips actually go anywhere between 709 hours for our FYI.

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Wow that's amazing.

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Well I did do my research.

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So are there particular safety things you have to be concerned about that you wouldn't

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have to be for other forms of impact?

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Absolutely.

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One of the things is you want to know your skills and I can't stress that enough.

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You know I wouldn't play with somebody for the first time who's never picked up a whip

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before. They're they're edgy and they're dangerous.

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So one of the things that is most important is I always start a little further back and

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I work my way in and I don't you know you don't want to come off throwing that whip

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as hard as you can the first time honestly because you do that you're going to scare somebody

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away you know you come in because everybody says hit me as hard as you can with a whip and

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no no no no you come in saw and you work your way up.

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So being back bar enough away from a person and then moving forward and starting out slow

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and soft and working your way up.

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Also one of the other things I have learned over the years is if someone's got something

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in their mouth and they can't speak or they're deaf because I have played with deaf people.

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I use hand signals because it's just easier and when I get to the spot where I should be

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where I'm just first starting the skin I have the person who's standing for me raise their

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hand so I know that I'm at my spot and then I look at where I am because every time you

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leave that spot that process starts all over again you know and I just start further

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back and move forward. Although I pretty much know where I am after the first time after they tell me but you know

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I still want them to tell me yeah you're where you're supposed to be.

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So with whips are we always hitting with the end of the whip or does it vary by different

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types of whip or just personal preference?

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Like that yeah you're always hitting with the end for sure unless you're doing something

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different you know I guess you could use that handle as an impact toy you know I'm always

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looking for different ways to do impact but you know there's only like three to four

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inches of the end of the whip that you want to use and you know some people will just play

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with the fluff there's a little end of the crepper that's got fluff on it and that's going

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to be very sensual that's going to be you know softer it's not going to cut however

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there if you go a little further and you do lashes so maybe using two to three inches of

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the tail of the cracker is what I'm saying you're probably going to do a little more

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a little more severity or even cut at that point.

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Gotcha.

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So something to be aware of is that if you what was it if you get somebody skin with the

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cracker and the fluff you're talking about cutting meaning like it can actually break

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the skin just a little bit. Not usually with the fluff but if you're doing a little further down like using two to

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three inches of it you depending on how you use it you would you would break the skin

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you know but you can do it without breaking the skin as well and that takes years of

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practice to learn how to do.

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So if you're wanting to do blood play wanting to draw blood just faster harder stronger

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or is there more to it than that.

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There's more to it than that. You again you want to start out slow and work your way up to that.

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How I think about Whip Play is music.

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There are ebbs and flows and there are mountains and valleys and that's the way I play

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with the whip. So I'll start off working my way up going up going up going up and then maybe coming

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back down a little bit then I start up up again going up up up up and then I bring

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it back down again because you want to play at a level where that person has their skills

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and because you come out if you come out blazing you know with I like to use a point system

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so one through ten. So if you come out with a nine it's going to be a bit much for a person to take at the

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very beginning even with experienced people I don't usually do that.

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And then but working your way up they get they get the flow of it and like I said it's

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like music so it goes up and down up and down up and down and the longer you can do

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that the longer your scene will be and the farther you can go.

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And you would you know I like to use a weighted whip when I'm going to definitely do blood

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play because they're a little they're a little heavier.

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Because the weights are at the at the tail towards the cracker and the the shot usually

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goes for about three fourths of the length.

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It just depends on the whip makers style and what they do but usually three fourths of

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it and the tail part of it is usually not not weighted.

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And that lends to the what was it if you're doing blood play that the weighted whip lends

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to the extra little bit of something that you might need in order to intentionally break

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skin of where you would like it to be.

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Yes. I mean you can do it without with a shot in it.

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It's just a little harder to do it takes a lot longer whereas I don't have to work as

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hard if I've got a shot with completely fair.

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So a couple years ago I picked up a bull whip at Goodwill.

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I have to assume it is a crappy costume whip but how would people know if what they're

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wanting to buy is a good whip a quality whip versus you know a piece of crap.

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That's a loaded question right by.

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Okay. It's a lot.

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Those things that you see in places where they don't sell whips, they're usually not as

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good as quality. I would say go to a reputable whip maker.

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There are some that I could you know that I definitely recommend but I would look on

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that life if you wanted a quality whip as opposed to going to the sex shops not that you can't

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find them there but a whip maker is going to you know they'll do specifically what you

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want and events you can buy things at events they're going to be more quality.

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I have one that I show that came from like I don't know I don't even know where it came from

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probably Goodwill I don't know and you know it is just a piece of garbage and it's cost

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to me you know or even like the ones you see around Halloween those are you know those

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are not ones that I would do is on a person.

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I would make sure that it's it's braided correctly and you know if you wanted it loaded which

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I not loaded which I our people are the best people who make them because I know what it's

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like.

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What is braided correctly me well there are like there are it's what it's called is

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plating and this is a this is a big a big deal or a lot of people and plating is the number

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of strands that the whip is braided at its widest point so a 16 platt would start with

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16 for about halfway down the the whip then the whip maker dropped some of the stand the

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strands and are put into the whip's core so that it can taper to the end making it 6 to 8

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strands by the end.

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Standard whips usually are braided with force four seams three are visible and you're able

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to see it in a B B formation and you know so for your math people you know you have four

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seams and they have three strands so four times three is twelve and that would be a twelve

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platt whip so the higher the platt so some of them are some of them are more you can get

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I don't know I've seen up to 32 but the best way and easiest way is if there's a tag on

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it they'll have two numbers and the first number will be referring to the plating and the

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second number will be the number refers to the count on the thong so this rules not set

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in stone but if you don't know just ask like I can look at a whip now and figure out how

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many platt are on something and not to say that an eight-platt whip which is which for me is my

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personal favorite I've used one whip for over 35 years and it's an eight-platt I love it I go to it

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all the time but I also have a 20-platt whip so the more platt you have the higher the cost

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yeah and then also with higher platt your your strands are thinner so they're easier to break

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and it could cause damage to the whip depending on how it's used if it's used in correctly.

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Gotcha and if you damage any of the platt does that mean your whip then has to be

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I guess rebreeded in order to be usable again or is it like hey we're done we're done like it's broken

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we're done. I haven't had this personally happen to me but okay I think once once one of these

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strands break I would say that it doesn't work anymore and you would probably need a new one at

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that point there's no repairing because it's it's worked all the way in so you would have to get rid

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of that whip and get it new one but you know if you take care of them and you use them and you love

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them they will last you a lifetime. So then what are some good tricks to taking care of your whip?

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It's a great leading question. I'm like you made a comment it made for a nice second one. Yeah you did

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didn't you. I am let's see how do I want to do this. I like to

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clean mine all down once a year for sure and I wipe them down with you know with you can use soapy

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water to wipe them down and or a leather cleaner one of the two and then after it dries and you

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should always hang them by the way they should always be hung as opposed to coiled up.

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So once that part is done you can use it something called Picards. It's a conditioner and

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FYI Picards is sold in little tubs at Duluth trading and they're perfect because you know I'm

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I made the mistake of buying a big tub early on because I thought oh I need lots of this.

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Now you don't need much you need to put a little bit in your hand maybe the size of a dime if that

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and just run it through the hole through all the way from the the but or the button all the way down to

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the point and if it's a if it's a bullwhip and it's got a latch or a fall on it you want to put that

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on there too. You don't need to put that on the nylon part then the nylon part is the part that

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actually hits a person. I use to clean those a germicidal solution like bad aside FD it's a one

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step cleaner and this is what they use for medical cleaning like they clean tools and spaces and stuff

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and you can put that on there but you need to let it dry before you ever use it because you don't

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want to apply that to the skin at all. Gotcha okay thank you. So we're hanging them instead of

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coiling them because the leather will take on that dress. Yes they will and you don't want them

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coils you want them to to stay skate in one you know in a full length position

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because they will and is that just is that just during cleaning or all I do it all the time

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when I'm not using them or carrying them they're hung up

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Gotcha and I don't and I don't let the sun beat down on the meat. I'm sure that dries

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it out really like any other leather it will dry them out and you don't want that

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No no particularly

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you've you've talked about leather ones you've talked about our paracord ones are there any other

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common materials that whips are made out of? Not usually not that I can think of

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they're usually just those just those two and the paracord ones believe it or not you can throw

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those in the in the wash you can use put those in the washer. Yeah nice that's it. Yeah

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clean up way or you know method of cleaning. So what is your favorite whip in your toy bag?

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It is a four foot

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oh I don't know if I can say that uh too late and uh you're good. Well he doesn't like

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he doesn't like to sell to our people uh yeah oh he's not one of the the people who

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like to sell to us he's not a one of our people let's put it that way.

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No worries and he um so I have an eight-plat four foot whip that I absolutely love

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and I go to it all the time and it it's like butter it really is it wiggles all the way from the

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top to the bottom and it's my all-time favorite and it's my go-to all the time if I'm playing with

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somebody new I'm gonna go with that whip and it's a single tail by the way. Nice. Gotcha.

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Is there uh I mean what do you what's a typical length on one of these because I mean I've heard

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of them being like 16 foot long you were talking about a four foot one. The single tails are usually

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four feet and a bull whip is usually longer six to 20 feet. A black snake will and a single tail

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falls within the black snake family so you and make it black snakes can also be as long as a

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double whip as well. Single tails are specific to being four feet long because they're used for

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dog sleds and I kind of thought it was funny when I first bought this because I lived in San Diego

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and they're there for dog sleds and I'm sure the whip maker uh whose name I won't I won't say um

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they probably thought why is this guy living in San Diego buying a dog sled whip?

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yeah you know we're just practicing our dogs dogs sledding in San Diego

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although it was probably done probably done in the sand as opposed to snow.

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True this is true.

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So what makes you passionate about whips as opposed to other forms of kink?

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That is that is the one you know the one thing that I know most about it really is and you know

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having a whip at seven years old because an uncle brought one back from Texas it was an old

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cow whip a black and white cow whip and uh I've been I've been playing with whips for a very long time

42:57

because this year I'm gonna turn 60 and uh so from seven to 60 you know and they they they seem to

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be what what trips my trigger an awful lot you know I there's there's nothing like

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seeing someone dance in front of me and when I say dance I'm doing air quotes just so you know uh I don't

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because you know you can't really see and I like to

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I don't like to put people in bondage when I'm playing with whips because I want them to move about

43:35

so that they can uh shake shake off you know the pain and they can usually go a little further

43:44

so it I love to see them dance is what it boils down to and when I'm really

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I know how much pain they they cause and that is also definitely a thing that I absolutely love

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maybe I'm a modern day marquee de sod but if someone is uh having a good time I'm usually having a

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good time and if you hear me laughing because I will uh I'm having a very good time so it's something

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that brings me joy how's that that's a good thing um so there are many folks out there that don't

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qualify themselves as or like they wouldn't label themselves as should say as being a heavy bottom

44:38

to do whips like at least in their opinion um can somebody who is a lighter bottom still enjoy whips

44:48

absolutely and I think I have taught many people about whips even people that were terrified of

44:58

of whips and people that have had bad experiences I I think this all falls back on the whip for a war

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if you started at 10 and you know this person says yeah go for it that's not the way to start and

45:17

so I have people that I have taught or people that I've played with I don't want to say taught

45:24

although I've taught them this too you can use whips for very sensual play um there are many things

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you could do with a whip that uh that don't involve you know going to blood or cracking the skin open

45:43

or any of that like I have put a whip just around you know someone's throat you know just

45:52

lightly go go around it and uh you know and I have just used the fluff part of doing whipping and

46:02

that's more of a sensual play and I will uh play with a person if they if they've never done this

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before that's where we're gonna start because I funny but true story I had a friend who

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years and years and years oh this is probably when I first started she said to me oh I don't want

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you to leave any marks on me you know I don't want you to break open my skin or any of that stuff

46:36

and I'm like okay I can do that because I like to say I can hit the side of a barn and so so she

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she didn't want any marks or any of that stuff so we we we had this beautiful sensual

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you know seen and I'm I'm you know doing some aftercare and she looks at me and she goes next time we

47:02

play make me into a hamburger and I'm like well and you know she has played that way ever since

47:15

ever since and she when I would give a whip class in San Diego she would be my person that would do

47:21

the the demo with me because I could take her to blood in 20 minutes yeah amazing but I'm gonna

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guess she was also judging your skill as to hey I'm wanting to play with play with me in this whip

47:38

and don't leave any marks but still let me have a good time but that was her first time

47:44

that was her very first time and after that she was like no I don't want this soft stuff anymore

47:50

I want I want I want I want you to make me a new hamburger she was in me she's an amazing player

47:57

that's amazing

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so circling back tell us about with art my whip art I haven't done it in a while but I did do it

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for a long time and what I would do is I had a paracord well at first I used one of my leather whips

48:21

which was a big mistake don't do that so I got a paracord whip and I would put a paint on the end

48:36

of the cracker and I would throw it against a canvas so this way I could see what kind of marks

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I could make with it and it just kind of evolved from there and I'd be happy to send you some of the

48:52

pictures of the paintings that I that I do have and I will put those pictures in with the chapter

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markers and and I I tried to make a go of it for a while but it wasn't something that a lot of people

49:12

were interested in a lot of people that have dungeons were interested in it or you know I did a

49:18

few commission pieces and and there's only as far as I know there's only one other person in the

49:25

world and I've actually talked to him he's in Australia that he does paint by the whip as well so I'm

49:30

usually four feet away from the canvas and throwing it and my canvases are usually what I like to use

49:39

as a 12 by 12 space although I have gone down to a four by four space and I also have a three foot by

49:49

three foot that take forever so is it abstract or are you making an actual picture pictures they're

50:06

they're always abstract they're okay they're always you know they're sort of like

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pointillism if you know anything about art yeah yeah I like to call it whippleism so so they're little

50:23

they're little marks and I have on a big canvas I have one in particular because after I did that I'm

50:30

like I'm not doing another big one like this anymore but I have the three foot one and I did make a

50:37

tree out of it so you know it's just most of the time they're just abstract though

50:42

so before we transition into the part of the show we like to call inside the kinkster studio is

50:52

there anything else we need to know about wips yes or more so for other people how's that

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okay and this is for the the whip catchers or bottoms um know your tops you know don't let the top

51:15

decide for you you know you have just as much uh say in what's happening and the other you know the

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other thing is um I like to think of you know things that don't practice on a person first uh that's

51:39

really a a big thing and a top note is uh don't be afraid of your whips you're going to be for sure

51:49

because you are going to hit yourself and I suggest we're in a a wide brim hat and uh

51:56

glasses of some sort when you're first learning because you are going to hit yourself and you know

52:04

eventually eventually you know that that fear will go away but if it doesn't go away

52:12

again you might want to try a different sport because we have plenty to choose from and uh you know

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and bottoms please know the skill level of your of of your tops you know you and that's with everything

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it's not just whips but you know and whips is one of those things that if if if if someone said to

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me let's go have a scene with whips the first time I suggest declining that you know unless you know

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the skills of that person it's not something to play with the first time unless you know of

52:51

court you're asking me then that'll hold a different story but uh you know just just and know your

52:59

monster and what I'm what I'm seeing when I say this is uh you have to learn who you are this took me a

53:08

long time to learn I had to know who I am and my abilities and uh you know I had a I had to learn how

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to keep control of my monster and not go too far so you know you've got to be able to read the

53:23

person's body and you know and there is fun you know there's fun in all of this and breathing is

53:33

really important for the whip catcher uh they need to you know they need to learn how to breathe and

53:39

I coach people on breathing when I'm playing with whips so you know I think those are a lot of

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you know a lot of little pointers that that people don't think of

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good tips definitely so let's get to know whip father a little bit.

53:56

God Lord here's my first question.

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Have you always been whip father or did you have another name in the beginning and slowly acquired

54:08

the whip father moniker? It was usually just my name and uh when FetLife when I

54:17

involved FetLife I didn't really want to put my real name out there so I chose I chose whip father

54:24

and you know on on Facebook I marked smokes and so I have a big fetish for cigars as well so

54:35

you know there's there's always been that as well but whip father has always been you know something

54:43

that I I thought you know it's kind of nice it's it shows the daddy side of me and it shows whip

54:50

so it shows the the district side and the surf side so you know it just it just sort of transpired that way.

54:57

Fair enough like it fits you so you know let's see here so what are three words that you would

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describe your play as? Oh, consensual I'm all about consent open because I'm open to all kinds of

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up play when it comes to whips or anything else for that matter and I'm edgy.

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I'm definitely edgy because I like to go right up to the line and then stick my toes over the line

55:36

if I can't just keep it right there. What would you say your biggest failure has been

55:48

in kink and what did you learn from it? Biggest fail you know

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I can't really think of one but the my biggest failure is something that most people don't know

56:16

and it's it's something I forget to mention sometimes is it's not a failure it's a plus but

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I am blind in one of my eyes so I have no depth perception. Yeah and I play with whips.

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Yeah so I okay that's an amazing way to be right there. Yeah so you know it is something that I've

56:44

had to deal with my whole life and my eye just never finished developing as a child so it's

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a developmental problem which fortunately today if they find it soon enough within the first six

56:55

months of a child's birth they can correct it but at the time when I was born they didn't know how

57:02

to correct it so you know it's not really a failure it has it has served me well but if I had two

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eyes it would have been a lot easier. Sure I mean I've in some ways that I have to think that is an

57:19

asset when it comes to playing with whips because you're not guessing at distances where other people

57:25

might be. That's a fair to say. Very fair to say. That's why I know where it's going to go. I know

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exactly you know in a general area I know where it's going to go.

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So kind of I guess what is the biggest thing since you know no mistakes at least not being able to

57:50

think of it what is the biggest thing that you've learned from on your journey like the biggest thing

57:56

you've learned? My biggest thing was learning my monster for sure. When I was younger I didn't know

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you know what you know I like to think of myself as sort of like Jekyll and Hyde and I didn't

58:16

really know you know that that monster and it took me a really long time to learn that monster

58:24

because you know I was terrified that that when I started in this journey that you know someone

58:30

was going to pick me up and I was going to be you know chopped up into little bit of pieces

58:36

they never heard from again which you know it's not true and and now after all these years

58:43

now I'm the one who chopped up little bit people into little bit of pieces and they're never heard

58:48

from again but you know I kind of wish that I had understood and knew what that monster was

58:55

earlier in my journey. Fair definitely fair. What would you say your catchphrases are?

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Oh I don't know the one I use a lot is I'm the nicest satist you will ever meet.

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I'm thinking about having that put on my attack but you know just to be clear I'm still a satist

59:25

and the other one I use at work all the time and again not being within your presence right now

59:34

my hands shake in front of my body and it says this is hard to resist.

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Yes.

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So one of my favorite questions that I absolutely love to ask everybody

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what's your favorite swear word?

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You know I try not to swear the older I've gotten it's kind of weird maybe I'm just old

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but I would say my favorite swear word because I use it all the time and it's really not really

1:00:11

a hard word it's god damn it. I get mad in those the first words that come out of my mouth so it's

1:00:20

gotta be my favorite. That works that absolutely works.

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And then we'll wrap up with my favorite question to ask if you had to have sex with one

1:00:36

muppet which muppet would it be and why?

1:00:38

You know this is hard because I've got three choices there

1:00:44

but I'm gonna I'm only gonna pick one. It would have to be beaker

1:00:52

and the reason oh my gosh I know and the reason I pick him is I think if I was whipping beaker he would

1:01:02

have fantastic sounds coming out of him and it would totally make me laugh.

1:01:08

That is awesome and I can totally see that.

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And I have no idea why but I knew you were going to say beaker because yep what father's

1:01:20

going to beaker. The other one was the sweetest chef and uh doctor or uncle deadly.

1:01:28

Oh yeah took me hot men to put the face of uncle deadly yeah I just think he's cool.

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All right well that about does it for today thank you for coming on the show thank you for telling

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us all about whips for our listeners upcoming synagogue in person in virtual classes on electro play

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chain fisting knife play checker website for days times locations all that kind of fun stuff

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but that's it that's our show say goodnight little bit.

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Goodnight little bit. We're done.

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