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Fresh for everyone. The

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crime made headlines around the country. destruction

0:32

and mayhem and a holiday parade. But.

0:35

No one knew the trial would also be

0:37

chaotic. A. Self represented defendant, a

0:39

judge with endless patience and a

0:41

long list of victims hoping they'll

0:44

see justice. And. Now the perpetrator

0:46

has gotten an attorney and is looking

0:48

to appeal. This. Week's episode

0:50

is the Walk, a Shop or eight

0:52

attack trial with updates. Are

1:02

filled with dread. Probably.

1:08

Be a demon. no

1:10

worse. Than

1:12

to mobile which is cool

1:14

surplus you're doing tude com

1:17

increased if you could. You'd

1:19

rather just listen to. Bill.

1:31

This was one that folks have asked

1:34

us to talk more about. cover moron

1:36

because. At. The time it was

1:38

such a headline grabbing trial because of.

1:41

The. Nature of the footage which she'll

1:43

hear us talk about. Yeah,

1:46

oh, things like this are

1:48

just. A heartbreaking on so

1:51

many levels when we covered it

1:53

is the many. So Rio is

1:55

hard to talk about and I

1:57

mean the updates to buy any

1:59

time. They gathering that has

2:01

meant to be joyous ends.

2:03

Kids are there people? of all

2:06

ages and everything and says. Someone.

2:09

To stories that for the sake

2:11

of destroying. But what

2:14

is what is city to rally behind

2:16

them. And drily every one that

2:18

we've talked to that's from their

2:20

said like it's brought the city

2:22

closer. No one ever wants to

2:24

score something like that to happen

2:26

but every one that is some

2:28

that areas so resilience and our

2:31

hearts go out here. but still.

2:33

I mean. This is still

2:35

something that's. I mean, I don't

2:37

think you ever get over a bad. The So

2:39

You Know affects them on a daily

2:41

basis. Many of the people, especially those

2:43

that were there doesn't limited six you

2:45

to. Your core of a just in general

2:48

just going out in any public space and

2:50

that's the kind of ripple effects that. We

2:52

see from an incident like this

2:54

works even folks who weren't physically

2:56

injured it's still is a serious

2:58

wounds. To see your fellow humans

3:00

hurting that way? First responders. Anybody

3:02

that jumped and south's this you'll notice it

3:05

as you listen to what this originally aired

3:07

as a mini so back and twenty twenty

3:09

two and now there have been so many

3:12

update so we we sketchy a second half

3:14

their at the end but you'll notice at

3:16

the top were pretty mad were for for

3:18

see for t of swear words right up

3:21

top so heads up we just. It

3:23

at the time it was just barely a year

3:25

after it happened. the trial was less than a

3:27

year after it happened. So I think the that

3:30

emotional part of it was raw and just seeing

3:32

the disrespect. As will

3:34

discuss and trial Yet any

3:36

time somebody represents themselves, I'm

3:39

like letters. You do. And

3:41

but this guy. Took.

3:43

The cage on idiots who

3:45

have represented himself. It's wheels.

3:47

Off it is. It's really A so we'll get

3:49

into all of that as well and us. Like

3:52

Chrissy said, you know we have. Had.

3:54

People reach out from the area and if

3:56

you're if you have not heard on Freaky

3:58

Friday Ninety Five, which aired by in January

4:00

of this year. There's a first account

4:02

from our list or Molly her story called I was

4:04

in the Twenty Twenty One Walk A Shock Christmas Parade

4:06

as the very first story in that episode. And

4:09

it's year still. To almost three years

4:11

on. It's. It's

4:13

a wound, see deals with that. The people in. The

4:15

community deal with the like he said. it's

4:17

resilience and bringing them together. So will. Leave

4:20

you with the twenty Twenty two many sewed

4:22

and then stick around. At the end of,

4:24

we've got two years of updates. Almost. Ah,

4:26

ah. Yes, then them

4:28

were. I'm. Gonna. Be not too

4:31

far from where this happened. We are

4:33

going on tour. If you're listening this

4:35

to day when St. Louis tonight And

4:37

tonight? Yeah, absolutely we're going to be.

4:39

We're starting off on St. Louis on

4:42

May sixteenth and then this weekend we're

4:44

going to be in Chicago on the

4:46

eighteenth and we will be and Malachy

4:48

on May nineteenth, so it's quite a

4:50

feeling to be talking about this right

4:52

before we're going to be around summer.

4:55

The folks in the community last summer

4:57

we want to. Milwaukee is such a

4:59

great town. Everyone. There is so nice

5:01

and welcoming we can't wait to see

5:03

all of you. Were going to have

5:05

a minor. Show for every one!

5:08

we are going back on tour

5:10

I can't believe as we're. Were.

5:12

Recorded miss the night before last we

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have a flight and my success of

5:16

this. So I'm

5:19

gonna say. Man. The Show

5:21

Tonight. So great! Yeah it's going to

5:23

be tastes incredible but it really is.

5:25

So with the really fun so it's

5:27

a full. Moon Energy to work. We

5:29

don't really see So On the Main

5:32

Feet episode so you have to come

5:34

in person to see it and we've

5:36

seen quite a bit since One Twenty

5:38

Three. See that as you saw it?

5:40

then come on out or it's you

5:42

haven't seen as at all. we would

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love to see you have you bring

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a friend. It's everything you love about

5:49

the So, but it's all centered around.

5:51

The. Moon specifically the darker side

5:53

of the moon Pink Floyd try

5:56

to sell us, but nobody. Listens

5:58

So now. We're up. And

6:00

what are we talking about Heather Pink Floyd got

6:02

it, right? Well, we're talking all the things we

6:04

like talking about conspiracy We've got

6:06

a little true crime in there. We got some

6:09

cryptids. We have just anything that's Mysterious

6:11

macabre all of the legends in the lore

6:13

about the moon. We've combined it in we

6:15

have some audience participation segments We also have

6:17

city specific bits that we're gonna do so

6:19

it's you know, including heroes

6:21

from your hometown So we can't wait to

6:24

hear how you feel about them. So yeah,

6:26

we'll see you in st. Louis tonight Chicago

6:28

Milwaukee this weekend and then Charlotte Raleigh since

6:30

a Cleveland Toronto, Kansas City, Oklahoma City,

6:33

San Diego Phoenix Las Vegas and we're

6:35

gonna end it up here in Dallas.

6:37

So come on out and see us

6:39

go to sinister.com/live shows and We

6:42

want to see you in person. It's like part of the

6:44

the connection of this show is the the live part of

6:46

it Yeah, we love being on

6:48

stage I'm very excited to get back in

6:51

front of a live audience Most

6:53

definitely and that's the part of the part We love

6:55

the most is we we're just doing this like you

6:58

said, we're recording it in the dark in our houses

7:01

The true connection of all of this is the

7:03

the feedback from y'all. So we hope to see

7:06

y'all in person somewhere out there but in the

7:08

meantime Buckle up because this

7:10

trial is a lot and like I

7:12

said, you're about to get real angry over the next

7:14

hour So yeah, and then we've

7:17

got some updates for you after that Oh

7:23

Heather's already shaking her head with the loss

7:25

with a look Incensed

7:28

is the word that comes to mind

7:30

when I think of this trial You

7:33

know, I mean watching it. I was like I Have

7:37

so much respect for the prosecutors and

7:39

the judge for not just backhanded shit

7:41

out of this defendant, dude You

7:44

know what? I hate maybe more than anything hmm

7:47

being interrupted and the

7:50

amount of Times that

7:53

this motherfucker Interim

7:55

sis judge talks over her. I know what

7:57

you're doing judge over her. I feel like

7:59

It's like when I'm talking to Ella. I'm

8:01

just like, what are you doing? Everybody needs

8:04

to give each other their own time to

8:06

talk, and then when it's your turn, you

8:08

can have your chance. But to

8:10

speak to a judge this

8:12

way and to her,

8:15

about her, over her, disrespected

8:18

the entire courtroom, to

8:20

say it's a shit show is being

8:22

kind. Yeah, oh, certainly.

8:24

And I think there have been judges that

8:27

we've all watched, you know, whether it's televised

8:29

trials or whatever, that you're thinking,

8:31

oh my gosh, this person is

8:34

full of shit, or they're totally

8:36

biased, or they're—whatever. None of the

8:38

cases I've been involved in have one

8:41

side just started yelling at the

8:43

judge, taking their top off, cursing

8:46

at the judge. And everything. Objecting

8:51

when—it's hard to

8:53

represent yourself and object to stuff when

8:55

you don't know the law. It's almost

8:57

as if people should go to school for stuff

9:00

like this, where they go, I don't know, for like

9:02

eight years to learn what to do when you

9:04

get in a courtroom. And

9:07

then if you don't, you just say, fuck it,

9:09

I'm going for it. Some of

9:11

the dumbest sounding shit will come out of your mouth,

9:14

but Dorell Brooks doesn't give a

9:16

fuck. He leans in. He is

9:18

convinced that he is in the

9:21

right, and everything he says. And

9:23

even if some of the stuff he says, maybe

9:25

he is right, it falls on

9:27

completely deaf ears because he's so unhinged

9:30

in the way he presents it that

9:32

everyone is just like— At

9:35

any second, this guy is going to come after one

9:37

of us. You're on edge. You're nervous. He's

9:39

getting removed. How can you possibly

9:42

pay attention to what's actually—this trial

9:44

is about when he's making a

9:46

spectacle of it and himself? And

9:49

that's exactly the right word for it, is a

9:51

spectacle. And it's—he has no respect for the proceedings,

9:53

for the people, for what happened. And I

9:55

was like, oh man, I mean,

9:58

we'll get into the possibility— sentence, likely

10:00

sentence, there's a mandatory sentence. When that much is

10:03

on the line, like you said, there's reasons why

10:05

people go to school for this. I've gone to

10:07

school for it, I've practiced, I got licensed

10:09

in 2015. So seven years, I just

10:11

sat through a 10-hour CLE on advanced

10:14

criminal law in Texas and I still

10:16

would not represent myself. You just, there

10:18

are people who dedicate their entire lives

10:20

to doing it and there's a

10:23

reason. I get it. If you're out in the woods and

10:25

you're choking on something and you need a tracheotomy,

10:27

maybe your buddy that's there that has

10:29

a pocket knife could do that. But if

10:31

you have access to a hospital and medical

10:34

care, you don't just go, I bet I

10:36

could do it myself. There's certain things that

10:38

I think we should value and your freedom

10:40

and particularly, granted, the

10:43

stakes are a bit lower for a

10:45

defendant as far as asking for a

10:47

new trial later on. But

10:50

the record that he has created

10:52

is so chaotic and so wrong.

10:55

I don't think that he'll, any

10:57

of his appeals will be successful.

11:00

And in the meantime, what you've done

11:02

is just create powerful

11:04

enemies because the prosecution is

11:06

pissed off and irritated you because they have the

11:08

families of the folks that will go into the

11:11

crime here. They have the families behind them going,

11:13

please get justice for us for either me who

11:15

is grievously injured or my family member who I

11:17

lost. So then you have people who

11:19

are like, I'm going to make it my life's work

11:21

to make this the cleanest fucking record. You will never

11:23

see the light of day again versus you have a

11:25

defense attorney and then the prosecutor,

11:28

they may know each other. That's very

11:30

common to be friendly across the bar.

11:32

You maybe could have gotten a deal

11:34

and the, I will clarify at the

11:36

beginning. He is not mentally ill. He's

11:38

not incompetent. He understands the nature. He

11:40

has not been diagnosed. They checked him

11:42

out. He's competent to stand trial. He

11:44

is not mentally ill. He's an asshole.

11:46

Whatever he may have, then they can get him

11:48

help when he's in it. But when it comes

11:50

down to fundamentally, legally, he's allowed to do this

11:53

because he, he's just an asshole. I

11:55

hate this guy. I hate him. Oh yeah, he's awful. He's

11:57

a monster. He, um... He

12:00

was found competent to stand

12:03

trial. I can't imagine that

12:05

he doesn't have something going on.

12:08

He may not be. Rage issues, bipolar,

12:11

schizophrenic. I mean, he wasn't diagnosed with

12:13

anything. But at the very least, he's

12:15

got intense rage issues to be

12:17

able to do what he did. And then there's

12:19

the way he acts in the courtroom, too. Yeah,

12:22

and his background, he's been court mandated to

12:24

have anger management in the past. Clearly didn't

12:27

stick. No, no. Yeah,

12:29

he has a record. He had a record before all of

12:31

this. So... I'm all for people

12:33

getting whatever treatment that they need, but

12:35

it does not absolve you of your

12:38

assholery and the mockery that he made

12:40

of this extremely sensitive... I

12:42

mean, this is a terrorist attack. Yeah.

12:45

It's quite the

12:49

trial that will be talked about

12:51

for decades because it was so

12:55

unique and just off the

12:57

wheels. Well,

13:00

I'm Christy. I'm Heather. And let's get into

13:02

it. On November

13:05

21, 2021, the

13:07

town of Waukesha, Wisconsin, a suburban area

13:09

outside of Milwaukee, held its

13:11

58th annual Christmas parade. The

13:14

event included performers from local

13:16

high schools, marching bands,

13:18

and local politicians celebrating the holiday season

13:20

for the first time since the pandemic

13:22

shut down the parade a year earlier.

13:26

Just before 4.40 p.m., the

13:28

Dance and Grannies began their march

13:30

down Main Street. A dance troupe

13:32

comprised solely of grandmothers. The Dance

13:35

and Grannies had already performed two

13:37

routines to the delight of the

13:39

crowd when a dark red SUV

13:41

turned an otherwise fun-filled afternoon into

13:43

chaos. The descriptions

13:46

before the SUV shows up is

13:48

Norman Rockwell. Oh, the

13:50

videos depict that. There's

13:52

kids and adults alike in

13:54

Santa costumes, dancing and skipping

13:57

down the street. There's

13:59

people waving. and you know, from the

14:01

sides on lurkers watching, the cops are

14:03

just there to move

14:05

everybody along. Nothing wild is happening. And

14:08

then you hear in

14:11

this video over police, like

14:14

walkie talkies, truck northbound

14:16

coming that way. And

14:18

you see officers start to

14:20

like, look around what's going on.

14:22

And you see the truck come in the frame. And

14:25

officers just running towards it like, stop,

14:27

stop. I imagine you're thinking this person's

14:29

confused. They don't realize what's going on.

14:31

You don't, at the time

14:34

think this is intentional. He's trying to kill

14:36

as many people as he can right now.

14:38

Yeah, you think, oh my gosh, this person must have

14:40

gotten confused or they're having some sort of medical episode,

14:42

they just hit the gas and we're going. The

14:45

driver of the SUV broke through the barricade

14:47

set up by city officials. When

14:50

he was directed by police officers to

14:52

stop his vehicle, he ignored their commands

14:54

and press the gas pedal. He

14:56

collided with the parade and its onlookers, eventually

14:59

killing six people and wounding dozens

15:01

more. Those who lost their

15:03

lives that day were three members of

15:05

the dance and granny's crew. Tamara

15:07

Durand, age 52, who was performing with

15:10

the troop for the first time that

15:12

day. Dancer Leanna Owen,

15:14

age 71, and the

15:16

group's leader and choreographer, Virginia Jenny

15:19

Sorensen, age 79. The

15:21

three other victims were parade attendees, 81-year-old

15:23

William Hospital, who was also the

15:26

spouse of another dance and granny,

15:28

52-year-old Jane Coolidge,

15:30

and the youngest victim, eight-year-old

15:32

Jackson Sparks. Steve

15:36

Howard, chief of the Waukesha Fire Department,

15:38

told the New York Times, I'd

15:41

liken it to a war zone. Some of our

15:43

first responders were there with their families. They

15:45

left their families to treat people. Children's

15:48

Hospital Wisconsin treated 18 children

15:51

as a result of the attack, including

15:53

three sets of siblings, according to the

15:55

New York Times. In total, it was

15:58

reported that 62 victims were killed. were

16:00

injured that day. Just mass chaos, mass casualties. It's

16:02

so sad. These

16:05

are the types of things that really,

16:07

really get to me because it's a

16:09

family event. You go there

16:11

with the highest

16:14

expectations of just fun. It's

16:16

a fun day out with your family. It's the

16:18

way you're celebrating the holidays. And

16:21

this is like the worst possible thing

16:23

that could happen and it happens. Yeah.

16:26

You just think, well, you will go to the parade,

16:28

we'll come home, we'll wrap presents, we'll do whatever. But

16:31

not knowing that that's going to be maybe the last time

16:33

you're there with your spouse. And

16:36

a group like the Dancing Grannies, they're

16:39

really cohesive. They're super tight knit. They're best friends.

16:41

I mean, not only is it you've lost your

16:43

friend, but you had to sit there and watch

16:45

your friend. And

16:47

then the husband of some of them. One

16:50

of the things that has always stuck with

16:52

me about Sandy Hook is the

16:54

parents talking about how

16:57

the presents to their kids were still

16:59

wrapped under the tree when they had

17:01

to go back and just how heartbreaking

17:03

that is. And to think

17:05

that these people had the same thing. Like

17:08

what do you even do with them? Exactly. I

17:11

mean, it's those things that like they go back

17:13

and Jackson's presents or you were going

17:15

over to grandma's for Christmas

17:17

and now your whole world

17:19

is upended. And all because

17:22

somebody was just pissed

17:25

off. A selfish asshole on a

17:27

bad day. Or thinking in terms of I'm

17:29

going to cause as much damage as I

17:31

can because of whatever

17:33

reason. Whatever I'm mad at or

17:35

whatever. Just a piece of shit. The

17:38

suspect set away from the scene and was captured

17:40

by police later that evening. He

17:43

was identified as 39 year old, Dorell

17:45

Brooks, out on a thousand dollar

17:47

bail in an unrelated case

17:49

from six days prior in which he was accused of

17:51

punching the mother of his child in the face

17:53

before chasing her to a gas station parking

17:55

lot where he hit her with his car. Brooks

17:58

had a lengthy criminal. Record including

18:01

prior arrests for batteries, domestic

18:03

violence, cocaine, Possessions and resisting

18:05

arrest all across the state.

18:08

If I'm not mistaken, I believe the

18:10

prosecutor's office has said his release was

18:12

unusual and should not have happened. They

18:14

said that's given not only the severity

18:16

of the incident with his girlfriend at

18:18

the time which see had visible signs

18:20

of being hit the face. There are

18:22

witnesses from the gas station and see

18:25

had the tire treads on her leg

18:27

a mini hitter with this car that

18:29

they said because he had prior D

18:31

v arrests and because this is T

18:33

v he should not have been l

18:35

and they said they're doing and they

18:37

are at the time. It is there. Like

18:39

we have to look into what happened because

18:41

I'm all for I get it bail especially

18:43

on low level senses of for have another

18:45

level know I mean in Sunnyvale party punch

18:47

him in the face. Your. And

18:50

especially a not even just a you know as

18:52

the so random thing and we got an unaltered

18:54

case is like a person that you've. Been.

18:56

An enduring before. And years intimate

18:58

partner run own a border. Don't.

19:00

Let his ass out though. amount Now we saw. I

19:02

feel like we saw that on another case. Recently

19:05

where. Yeah. I mean,

19:07

we've seen it with several even like. Everybody's

19:09

talkin' about Dahmer right now

19:11

because of the new series

19:13

itself, but. He fell through the

19:15

cracks so many times the cops let him go

19:18

when he sit and have for. A.

19:20

Multitude of reasons. This

19:22

is one of those things that. Have this

19:24

guy been kept? Or he was supposed to

19:26

be kept? These. Lives

19:28

wouldn't would have said so. Be here. The.

19:31

Truly a means and again if it's a

19:33

low level of and some early on but

19:35

this is you are a repeated domestic abuse

19:37

or in the you have just done it again

19:39

I got no sympathy eaten. Especially

19:41

when there's credible evidence at the rest.

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Today. In.

21:36

The hours leading up to the parade attacks

21:38

Brooks and his girlfriend were involved in another

21:41

altercation. Reportedly. Involving a nice.

21:43

Officials reported the Brooks was not fleeing police at

21:45

the time of the parade attack. Nor.

21:48

Did he know anyone attending the parade? Rather,

21:51

He seems hell bent on injuring as many

21:53

people as possible. Soon. Reports

21:55

came of his bizarre social media posts

21:57

in which Brooks who is black. Advocated

22:00

for violence against. White and Jewish

22:02

people. Riding. The Hitler was rights

22:04

and did the world a favor. By killing

22:06

so many Jewish people. While.

22:09

The hits keep on coming as far

22:11

as. What a piece of shit. The Sky

22:14

as yeah that in addition to the the

22:16

injuries and more deaths the murders that he

22:18

committed at the parade attack, you find out

22:20

he's also a domestic abuser and you find

22:22

out he's anti semitic and said Hitler was

22:24

right after. He's a racist and anti semites

22:27

and addition to all the other terrible

22:29

things, he has set a bingo card

22:31

of the all. The City of Rise

22:33

of Trades. At this point, it's easier

22:35

to find redeeming quality than two lists.

22:38

Off all of that terrible qualities about him,

22:40

and so far I have zero. Yeah,

22:42

he didn't take a seat in the courtroom

22:44

spoiler alert like I mean he didn't like

22:46

stab anyone in the courtyard like that is

22:48

one of those were like now the bar.

22:50

So I love exactly he didn't physically assault

22:52

the judge. Well that's the bare minimum because

22:54

my God no one ever said you also

22:57

shouldn't. Be.

23:00

Defiant to them and talk over them and

23:02

challenge them any. he was talking in a

23:04

way that if. Anybody spoke to

23:06

me that way. He. Better

23:09

sit your ass down. But this judge. In

23:11

this is why. While. I play a

23:13

judge on Tv. I am not all that. Tommy

23:15

today told me. He wrote. My name is for

23:17

the three hundred this are such did you. I

23:19

don't feel supply route live in both really I've

23:21

read and in some of the I I couldn't

23:23

take a picture you think a picture of your

23:25

fans but also ah yeah I write your name

23:27

and and then I wonder if enough people did

23:29

that you're you're going to show us on this

23:32

is a listener texted me a friend of mine

23:34

who who is a listeners who seduces so to

23:36

a friend of hers Texan we the day and

23:38

said hey check out this Tactic Saints and it

23:40

was from a i don't know this person's is

23:42

Alyssa says ah I didn't know who to write

23:44

in on the judge balance I just heard it

23:46

is assists. The Eco Quest spell that right?

23:48

Oh. My. God. If we could get

23:50

enough people to ride it it to

23:52

where I am an actual candidate on

23:55

this ballots. First of all, please number for

23:57

me. I do not want to responsibility Tommy Homeless?

23:59

You don't. After accepting but it would be

24:01

fine to have that on the news where

24:03

I could take a picture of that. They're

24:05

like who is is Chrissie? Well as they

24:07

got all these salads. Yeah, great question. Ah,

24:10

I did vote for you but like you

24:12

said, you play one on Tv but. Her

24:15

demeanor in the courtroom and

24:17

that's why she should be

24:19

a judge because she is

24:21

measured see his pace She

24:23

is. Kind at times. even

24:25

while this man is treating her like

24:27

a piece of shit, She

24:29

knows her facts. She's. Playing.

24:32

It cool and so she then

24:34

messing things up and this guy

24:37

gets a mistrial. She did everything.

24:39

See. Needed to do. So obviously.

24:42

A one hundred percent. Brooks.

24:44

Was eventually charged with seventy six

24:46

crimes, including six counts of first

24:49

degree intentional homicide which carry with

24:51

them mandatory life sentences. Despite

24:53

the high stakes, the closer the

24:55

case that trial, the more outlandish

24:57

the defendants behavior became. Purse:

25:00

He claimed that he was a sovereign citizen. According.

25:03

To the F B I Sovereign citizens

25:05

are. Anti government extremists who

25:07

believed that even though they physically reside

25:09

in this country, their separate. Or sovereign

25:11

from the United States. They believe

25:14

that the Us government has no

25:16

authority over them, including institutions like.

25:18

Courts. Taxing entities motor

25:20

vehicle departments. Or law enforcement. Sovereign

25:25

citizens. I got on questions.

25:29

Headers exasperated the ruff. Their

25:31

ruff to sell their lives

25:33

in. And these are

25:36

legitimate questions I have. One

25:38

is this a real thing that people

25:40

can declare. Know it

25:42

doesn't work. Okay, spoiler alert, it

25:45

doesn't. Last book has nevertheless to

25:47

me. Any of

25:49

these are. I mean I imagine this guy.

25:51

Has a social security

25:53

number hey, I'm he

25:56

Pays. The bills he

25:58

enjoys like. The code even

26:00

for like a lot of water. sit

26:03

like that. So if you are. In.

26:06

If you are privileged enough to enjoy all

26:08

of those things driving a car, we

26:10

know he fucking does that so clearly. He

26:12

went to the motor vehicle department a

26:15

good as driver's license. How

26:17

can you say. You're a

26:19

sovereign citizen and the government has

26:21

no control over you when you

26:23

are taking part in the government

26:25

that is set up. This country.

26:28

Has is not really a lot of logic.

26:30

It's a it's become a far. Right

26:32

wing extremist ideology. It's

26:35

been around for our mean and along

26:37

I am pretty significant. Of our times

26:39

it has seen an influx. I would

26:41

say a post twenty six teen increase

26:43

in subscribers to this belief system. I

26:45

have seen it in court and it

26:47

doesn't go. What mean it's like I

26:49

don't loving are just die good is

26:52

of the water tower. Oh him

26:54

yeah he of the he was line as

26:56

I know why and had once in season

26:58

when he were to a federal judge in

27:00

Houston who that was a whole separate thing

27:02

where he again was like there's friends on

27:04

the flag and because the flag in your

27:06

court room your honor has footprints on it

27:08

that means it's a maritime flag and I'm

27:10

not subject to that to six and a

27:12

good you can just go out of live

27:14

in as they still put the cuffs on

27:16

you take your way. I mean it's not

27:18

you believe in one hand and sydney other

27:20

and decide which one fills up after and

27:22

another ones with a trying. To sue Hillary

27:24

Clinton in the in my the federal court

27:27

that I interned in Tennessee felt Hillary Clinton's

27:29

because they thought that see had emailed. I'm

27:31

saying that they had some money at the

27:33

bank but it wasn't really bank. it was

27:36

a sell gas station and Sherman Texas but.

27:38

It's. A lot of delusion. All that

27:41

say it's a ton of delusion and

27:43

think that it's a real scenes. When

27:46

boy when they show up thinking oh, I've

27:48

printed to sell from the internet and there's

27:51

all these web sites that are like these

27:53

like Sovereign Citizens if you're a sovereign citizens

27:55

and you've been arrested on here's the magic

27:57

phrases to says and a month. Do

28:00

you think these work? If they

28:02

don't... Yeah, and I think that, like

28:04

you said, it's a far right-wing thing

28:07

and when you get over there and to like QAnon

28:09

and stuff like that, a lot

28:11

of times those people are too far gone to reason

28:14

with or understand like these

28:16

beliefs are ludicrous, none of

28:18

this makes sense, it's not a

28:20

real thing, but they're too far gone. I

28:23

think that's like this guy, Dorell, or maybe

28:25

he's just like scouring

28:27

the internet thinking what

28:30

could I possibly do to get

28:32

out of this and he comes across this

28:34

on some website. Well, my thing

28:37

is like if you thought this work, don't you

28:39

think everybody would do it and we'd have no

28:41

one in jail? Wouldn't

28:43

we all be like, no, this

28:45

didn't apply to me. I don't have

28:47

to abide by the rules. That's not

28:50

the society that we've set up, you

28:52

idiot. No, and you can't just go, I'm

28:54

not going to pay taxes. You can try,

28:56

boy you can try. It's like

28:58

with QAnon or this, they read it and

29:00

they want to believe it so badly that

29:04

they really don't listen to any reason until

29:06

the judge goes, no, not in my court.

29:08

Yeah, that's the thing, you don't have to listen to

29:10

reason. You do have to go

29:12

where the bailiff that handcuffs you takes

29:14

you and that's a good jail. Yeah,

29:17

once you can believe them cuffs clicking on you.

29:22

Brooks was prohibited from presenting his sovereign citizen

29:24

defense in the weeks leading up to the

29:26

trial with the judge ruling that it

29:28

lacked legal merit. He initially wanted

29:30

to plead not guilty by reason of insanity,

29:32

but later changed his plea to just not

29:35

guilty. He also decided to

29:37

fire his attorneys less than two weeks before

29:39

the trial was scheduled to begin. The

29:41

court-appointed defense counsel made it clear that

29:43

they did not wish to withdraw, but

29:46

rather that their client was insisting on

29:48

it. And there's even a

29:50

really sad letter from the district

29:52

attorney's office to the victims of survivors'

29:54

families and saying, we

29:57

think he's trying to delay this, we're not going to

29:59

let this happen. then we're, we are going to

30:01

do our best to keep this, the families were

30:03

very No, the, the,

30:05

the district attorney's office wrote to

30:07

the families and said, listen, we see this happen. And

30:10

they also quoted the defense attorneys and said, we

30:12

talked to the defense attorneys, they don't want to

30:14

quit. They really do want to do a trial

30:16

fair. A good defense

30:18

attorney is worth their weight in gold. I mean, they

30:20

want to follow the rules. They want to make sure

30:22

that the state's following their rules. They want to give

30:24

the best possible offense, even their clients piece of shit.

30:26

And they're like, well, we don't want his rights to

30:28

be trampled on. And to see their client behaving in

30:31

such a fashion and they can't stop it and

30:33

that it is going to serve, well, one

30:35

would think it might serve to delay justice to these

30:38

people that so badly deserve it. You

30:42

got to say as a defense attorney, I'm not trying to withdraw, but

30:44

I honestly have to, he's fired. Yeah, I can't stay. And

30:48

if you're found competent

30:51

to stand trial, then it is your right to represent yourself as stupid as

30:53

it is. Yeah,

30:56

you got a right, but not the ability. Yeah,

30:58

but you do have the right. When

31:04

he asked for his attorneys to be dismissed, judge Giroux gave

31:06

him a warning saying, so if you're allowed to represent yourself

31:08

in this case, sir, you will not have

31:11

attorneys assisting you. If I let

31:13

them withdraw, they are gone from this case. Do

31:16

you understand that? Brooks responded saying, I

31:18

think I'll probably be better served representing

31:20

myself. Brooks had been

31:22

found competent to stand trial. So he

31:24

was allowed to opt for self-representation. If

31:28

you were indigent enough

31:30

to be appointed defense counsel, take the appointed

31:32

defense counsel. Yeah, this speaks a lot to

31:35

his whole personality that he thinks he would

31:37

do a better

31:40

job representing himself than two attorneys, that

31:42

that's what they do for a living, but he's

31:44

got it in his head that he's smarter than

31:46

everybody that he throughout

31:51

the trial, he has just this air of

31:54

a chip on his shoulder that he's been

31:56

wronged by so many people. many

32:00

people that he nobody understands him.

32:02

He doesn't feel heard or seen

32:05

as the impression I get. But at

32:08

the same time, he is

32:10

not well spoken. He

32:13

can't get a cohesive

32:16

thought together. So no one is going

32:18

to listen to someone like that and

32:20

take them seriously. Yeah, it would be

32:22

one thing, you know, if you had

32:25

somebody with a modicum

32:27

of reading comprehension. I mean,

32:30

I don't eventually towards the end of

32:32

the trial, it's as if he found

32:34

a list of legal phrases online and

32:36

just started shouting them in closing arguments.

32:39

He's very like he's calmer. You can

32:41

tell he looked up some legal

32:43

things to throw out there for sure. But he doesn't

32:45

know what they mean. Not at

32:47

all. Mm-hmm. It

32:50

turned out Brooks was not better served representing

32:52

himself. Throughout the course of

32:54

the trial, he interrupted opposing counsel, argued

32:56

with the judge, argued with

32:58

the witnesses, failed at nearly every objection,

33:01

was unable to present a cogent

33:03

legal argument, and tried to refuse

33:05

court mandated COVID testing. He

33:07

chose to wear a jail jumpsuit for a

33:09

period of the trial, despite the advice of

33:11

the judge to change into street clothes in

33:14

order to shield jurors from the fact that

33:16

Brooks was in custody and to help him

33:18

appear more respectable for the jury. Brooks

33:21

spent several days in a bright

33:23

orange t-shirt and at one point

33:25

even removed his shirt and paced

33:27

back and forth completely shirtless while

33:29

muted in another courtroom. Brooks

33:31

eventually agreed to change into street clothes. And

33:35

a lot of his behaviors, I wonder

33:37

at the beginning if he thought, well,

33:39

if I act wacky enough, they're gonna

33:41

think I'm crazy and either declare a

33:43

mistrial or something else, but they did

33:45

not abide that. And because of his subsequent behavior,

33:47

we know it was an act. He was putting

33:49

on, he was just being an asshole. And to

33:51

this, the exchange, well, the COVID testing, he was

33:54

like, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it.

33:56

And she said, well, I can give you

33:58

the swab and you can swab yourself or the other day. these two

34:00

giant guards are gonna sit your ass down and swab you

34:02

and he's like, I'm not doing it. And they sat him

34:04

down and swabbed him. They're not hurting him. So I'm like,

34:06

I'm gonna extract your teeth. It's like for the safety of

34:08

everybody in this room, let us swab you. But

34:11

the whole back and forth about the jumpsuit,

34:14

he's like, everybody knows I'm in jail. She goes, well,

34:16

you don't know that. And we conducted jury selection in

34:18

order to find unbiased jurors who are not as familiar

34:20

with this case. They might not recognize you. They might

34:22

not know the facts. He's like, you know. And does

34:24

she have to do that? Because that seems like a

34:26

nice thing to, if you say it

34:28

to him like, look, I'm trying to

34:31

help you out here, buddy. She gave

34:33

him like every chance. And she said, I'm giving

34:35

you this opportunity. I'm not, we'll pause the proceedings.

34:37

We don't have to start yet. You can go

34:40

put on, we have street clothes for you ready.

34:42

And he's like, no, I know what I'm doing.

34:44

I know what I'm doing. Well, then I think

34:46

he realized it does look

34:48

bad. Yeah. I mean, and that's

34:50

why courts offer because you're

34:52

innocent until proven guilty, right? They offer the

34:54

defendant the opportunity to wear street clothes, look

34:57

respectable, not be shackled as

34:59

much as normal. And so again, she was going

35:01

above and beyond extending because he said,

35:03

no, I'm good. And she's like, just to be

35:05

sure, these are some reasons why you

35:07

might want to reconsider. And she did not have to

35:09

do that. And he still was like, go fuck yourself.

35:12

The footage of him, yeah, like stripping off his clothes

35:14

and pacing back and forth. To me, it looked like

35:16

acting, like when we watched that, I

35:18

believe it was the interrogation of the

35:20

Parkland shooter where you can, it's

35:22

like they're watching the camera. Like, how are they watching

35:24

me? And trying to act weird only when someone's watching.

35:26

It's like a little kid, like I'm crying. Are you

35:28

looking at me? Okay, now

35:31

I'm crying. Doing it for attention, for sure. Was

35:35

his defense, because this was something

35:37

that I had trouble fighting, because

35:40

he was just yelling throughout most of

35:42

the trial. He's saying he didn't

35:44

mean to hit anybody. He admits, I mean, you

35:46

can't deny it. He's driving the car, but he's

35:49

saying I was trying to honk. I was trying

35:51

to let people know that I

35:53

was coming. And the cops on the stand are

35:55

like, nope, we're watching this

35:57

whole video. Everybody's watching, if it happened, nobody

35:59

here. There was any honking. There was never

36:01

any honking like trying to warn people that he

36:03

was coming down the street. So

36:05

he says it was an accident that

36:07

he ran over people. Is that what he's saying?

36:11

His defense changed.

36:13

It shouldn't shock anyone to know

36:15

he did not have a cohesive, thoughtful legal argument

36:17

for which he was prepared to present. And

36:19

it was kind of like every day he showed up, he thought,

36:21

okay, today I'm going to do this. Today

36:23

I'm going to do this. Just spaghetti at the wall method. It's very

36:25

spaghetti at the wall. And I think like something

36:28

like that that's so stupid that if you argue

36:30

that there's footage of you

36:32

with audio and you're not

36:34

honking, like it's something that's demonstrably false. It's very

36:36

– to me it's very stupid, but again, it

36:38

was spaghetti at the wall. Still,

36:43

Durell was unwilling to stop his outburst.

36:46

He took to shouting at some points of the

36:48

trial complaining about supposed violations of

36:50

his constitutional rights. Not at

36:52

all. Judge Jennifer Durell maintained her

36:54

composure and preserved the record in order

36:57

to protect the proceedings from a later

36:59

challenge on appeal. The judge

37:01

even offered Brooks citations to statutes and

37:03

case law to support her rulings and

37:05

informed him of the proper channels through which

37:07

he could complain about any mistreatment. And

37:10

that's another one that he's going, y'all are

37:12

– you're trampling all my constitutional

37:14

rights. And she's like, okay, well, if you're

37:16

being mistreated in the facility, we're going to make sure that you have

37:18

the phone number where you can report that. We're going to make sure

37:21

that you have everything that you need. And he's like – she's

37:23

like, okay, you know, I'm going to send you out of the courtroom.

37:25

Well, why can you do that? And she said,

37:28

oh, well, because it's the case of Illinois versus

37:30

Smith or whatever. And so she was ready on

37:32

the ball. Her clerks had prepared her ready on

37:34

the ball for any of his arguments. And of

37:36

course, he doesn't have anything to respond to because

37:38

he's not a lawyer. No, that's the thing. It

37:41

doesn't take much to shut him down

37:44

because it's hard to argue when

37:46

you don't know the rules or the law

37:48

or what you're even arguing about. There's only so

37:50

much you can look up on Wikipedia. Yeah, and

37:53

he didn't have it with him in the courtroom. So

37:55

it's like he's not prepared for that. For her to

37:57

respond with, oh, well, there's case law supporting what I've

37:59

done. What's your argument? Well, I don't

38:01

have one. Okay, well, next. Well then, fuck off.

38:03

Yeah. But she, goddamn,

38:06

you know she went home every night and was just

38:08

like, oh my god, just

38:10

banged her head against a wall for

38:12

several hours before she just went to

38:14

bed. Yeah, just turned her garage into

38:16

a rage room, my god. Yeah, I

38:19

do. Sinisterhood

38:21

will be right back. Well,

38:24

spring has sprung all

38:26

over Texas and my

38:29

allergies have definitely been

38:32

suffering. I just

38:34

can't deal with the sneezing, the

38:36

runny nose, but I have

38:38

finally found a solution, Heather, and it

38:40

is the Asapro Nasal Spray. It

38:43

is a godsend. I have

38:45

been suffering with allergies for so long and

38:48

literally within like minutes, I felt

38:51

so much better after using this. When

38:53

you find a game changer like that living here,

38:55

it's like, I love you, baby. Marry me. No,

38:58

yeah, you'll recommend it to anybody and

39:00

everybody because we're all suffering together right

39:03

now. And it's so pretty outside

39:05

and you want to enjoy the weather, but you also don't want

39:07

to be like a prisoner of

39:09

your own nose. So you got to

39:11

get that Asapro, man. Well

39:14

shout out to Asapro for sponsoring this

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39:21

He had used it even before they became a

39:24

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39:27

this stuff is really good, by the way. So

39:29

if Tommy Brown endorses it, then we all know that it's

39:31

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39:33

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40:46

Chirot also advised Brooks that his continued interruptions

40:48

would result in him forfeiting his right to

40:50

be in the courtroom. Brooks

40:52

did not heed her advice and was

40:54

removed from the courtroom repeatedly after shouting

40:56

out. He was allowed to watch

40:58

the trial remotely from another room with his

41:00

mic muted and was given an objection sign

41:03

and a pad of paper to communicate. So

41:06

much of this I wonder were these rules

41:08

in place before or is a lot of

41:10

this like well I

41:13

guess we're going to move them to this other room and

41:15

just give them a sign that says objection because you're

41:17

just figuring it out on the fly since it's

41:19

so unusual. I

41:21

don't know about her courtroom specifically but

41:23

there have been cases where the defendant

41:26

is like so disruptive or if

41:29

the defendant is like menacing a witness and

41:31

is like I'll kill you and like make

41:33

a hand gesture or something. So then like

41:35

keep them separate but you do have the

41:37

right to if you want to participate in

41:39

the proceedings to be there it just technology

41:41

is such that you can participate in the other

41:44

room by watching and listening and you can wave

41:46

your little hand if you have an objection but

41:48

we don't have to hear you muttering the

41:50

whole entire time and objecting to

41:53

every single word that's not

41:55

even close. I

41:57

appreciate that they were like. You

42:00

can throw your temper tantrums. We're not gonna

42:02

react to them And it's certainly not gonna

42:05

get you out of anything or get you

42:07

special treatment So we will just work around

42:09

you honestly, it's kind of how you have to

42:11

communicate with kids a lot It's like I'm

42:13

gonna give you these two options You

42:16

can pick whichever one it is, but one at word The

42:19

end result is gonna be what I want, but

42:21

I mean like throw this back the temper tantrum

42:23

But you're not gonna get your way because of

42:25

this not at all no, you should

42:27

shut up or leave and you see man in one point

42:29

there's a clip where the one

42:32

of the the prosecutors is sitting there and

42:35

He's made a legal argument a cogent legal

42:37

argument and the judge is you know responding

42:40

and Brooks is just did it is it is it is

42:42

it is it is it you just see the DA and

42:44

he's like Yeah,

42:48

just like a deep breath and it's like Okay,

42:50

your honor and it's one of those were As

42:53

well Paris I said it'd be like if you said, okay

42:55

Let's play a game of basketball and then someone just pulls

42:57

out a pair of nunchucks and starts swinging them at you

43:00

and you're like This wearing the rules is it talk about

43:02

what to do when they pull out nunchucks? You're like, it's

43:04

not in there No, you're like, okay.

43:06

Well, it's probably a foul. Yeah baptism

43:08

by fire You just figure it out on the

43:11

fly and then now this is the thing that going

43:13

forward if you ever encounter this I guess

43:15

you know what to do When

43:18

he was allowed in the courtroom Brooks

43:20

attempted to object to several answers by

43:22

one victim who he called during his

43:24

defense When judge Doreau overruled

43:26

his many incorrect objections Brooks

43:28

muttered you overrule every

43:30

objection The judge instructed the

43:33

jury will disregard the additional commentary made by

43:35

mr. Brooks at this time Brooks

43:37

continued saying judicial

43:40

misconduct at its finest During

43:42

the cross-examination of the victim who Brooks

43:44

called Brooks muttered into the microphone nearly

43:47

the entire time Saying

43:49

things like I see what y'all are trying to

43:51

do And this was sad

43:53

because it was a person who he'd hit with his car So

43:56

forcefully that it broke the man's leg the

43:58

man had to have several surgeries Was

44:00

this a victim of the parade?

44:03

Yep. And he called him during his

44:06

defense, which is dumb and a bad idea

44:08

and not necessary. What did he think

44:10

was going to happen? To me,

44:12

it looks like he grabbed a list of names

44:14

and pointed at one and picked him. This gentleman

44:16

is not a native English speaker, so they had

44:18

to have a translator. So it's even more chaotic

44:21

because you have now on redirect,

44:24

which you're allowed to, if you're on

44:26

– I'm sorry, not redirect – on cross-examination. So

44:28

Brooks calls him, so that would be he

44:30

gets to question him first. Then this

44:32

is on cross-examination by

44:35

the state, and she's like, you

44:38

can lead them in cross-exam – and

44:40

he's like, objection, that's leading. Okay, she's allowed

44:42

to do that. Or he'd go – she

44:44

said, were you injured in the attack? And

44:46

so the guy has to translate in Spanish. The guy translates

44:48

back, and then he says yes. And

44:51

then she says, did you have to have surgery? And he's

44:53

like, objection, ask and answer. No,

44:55

it isn't. That's two separate questions. She's allowed

44:57

to ask all these questions. So then it

44:59

was just utter chaos because the state's

45:02

attorney would ask a question. The translator

45:04

would translate. While the translator's translating, Brooks

45:06

is objecting. The judge is saying overruled. The

45:09

victim is listening to the translator. The translator

45:11

is having to say, she asked you this,

45:13

he objected. Now the judge is saying this.

45:15

And I see him pointing. And he's – I mean, the translator was on

45:17

his ball. I mean, he

45:19

was like, this man has been victimized enough. He's

45:21

been run over by a car doing nothing more

45:24

than going to see a parade. And now his

45:26

attacker has drug him into court and is now

45:28

hassling him on the sand for

45:31

something very – it was very minor. It's not

45:33

like he was like, that's the man that ran

45:36

me over. He was like, dad of surgery, yeah,

45:38

I'm in constant pain every day, yeah, think about it

45:40

every day. Why did Brooks call him? What

45:42

questions did he ask? He

45:45

was mostly wanting to be combative. And I don't

45:47

– based on his questions, which were just like,

45:49

were you there kind of things, I don't think

45:51

that he had any legal reasoning. I

45:53

think he pulled out a list of victims and pointed at one.

45:56

Damn. to

46:00

the defendant each time and was frequently

46:02

forced to take breaks and excuse the

46:04

jury based on Brooks' unruly and inappropriate

46:06

conduct. When Judge DuRouw sent the

46:09

jury out of the room, Brooks continued his

46:11

mutterings, accusing the judge of trying to fix

46:13

the trial and keep the jury from hearing

46:15

the truth. In

46:17

an effort to let Brooks back in her room,

46:19

Judge DuRouw referred to the rules of court and

46:21

asked Brooks whether he would agree to respect the

46:24

decorum of the court. He

46:26

interrupted the judge multiple times as she

46:28

tried allowing him back in, unable

46:30

to keep quiet for the duration of

46:32

her questions. I'm

46:35

telling you, the patience this woman

46:37

has, I cannot deal with people

46:39

talking over me or interrupting me.

46:41

It sends me. So this, I

46:44

would have lost my ever-loving mind. And

46:47

she's doing exactly what you would expect. She's like,

46:49

Mr. Brooks, now that we're coming back from this break,

46:51

I would like to let you back in the courtroom a

46:53

few things. And he's like, you don't even know what you're doing. What

46:55

are you even going to do? You just don't want the jury to hear

46:58

the truth. And meanwhile, she's trying to really

47:00

tell him, these are the ways I could let you

47:02

in. Can't stop himself. He just

47:04

can't stop himself. No, he's

47:06

one of those people that he's not

47:09

even hearing what she's saying. He is

47:11

just in fight mode. And he's just,

47:13

it's just insult, insult, insult. Talking

47:16

to hear yourself talk, not even like,

47:18

he's not even absorbing like what's going

47:21

on. And it's a significant

47:23

amount of delusion to think, oh, well, if I

47:25

argue with her enough, she'll agree with me. And

47:28

I think as a, he's a convicted

47:30

domestic violence, domestic abuser, he's

47:32

probably used to getting his way in bullying women. And

47:34

the fact that this judge was a woman, I don't

47:37

think should be unaddressed that I

47:39

think he thought he could talk over her,

47:41

yell at her, and no, you cannot. He's

47:43

in your ass out of the room. Yeah,

47:46

he's a manipulator. He's used to getting his

47:48

way. He's used to beating

47:51

people down until they finally just

47:53

acquiesce. But you're done fucked

47:55

up in Judge DeRoe's courtroom. It doesn't go,

47:57

it doesn't fly there. On

48:01

October 26, 2022,

48:04

Durell E. Brooks was convicted on all 76 charges,

48:06

including six counts of first

48:08

degree intentional homicide. As

48:11

each verdict was read, Brooks put his face

48:13

in his hands and dropped his head lower

48:15

and lower. After the

48:17

conclusion of the trial, Judge Jennifer Doreau received

48:19

more than 300 cards, letters, and

48:22

emails from people across the country

48:24

praising how she handled Brooks and

48:26

the entire trial. Yeah,

48:28

when they give the first verdict,

48:30

he's kind of, okay, I'm

48:33

listening. Second, down

48:35

a little bit further, down a little bit further. It's

48:37

Homer Simpson going back into the book. He wasn't on

48:39

the floor. The amount of paper she

48:41

has in her hand. It

48:44

is, I mean, the stack, I think they had

48:46

like, I saw something that they

48:48

had 150 different, what

48:51

are they, jury instructions they had to go through? Yeah.

48:54

I mean, it was a ton of paperwork and stuff they had

48:56

to go through. Yeah, for that many charges,

48:58

and yeah, you say probably each charge may

49:00

have a couple of questions for

49:02

each element of each charge. Those

49:04

jurors were like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

49:06

I think they deliberated for three hours, and

49:09

that was probably just to make sure, okay, we're

49:12

all getting our ducks in a row, and to

49:14

go through all that paperwork, I can't imagine anybody

49:16

was like, well, I don't know.

49:19

Yeah, maybe he didn't intend to. It's like, no, he

49:21

knew exactly what he was like. You're right. They

49:24

probably were like, let's make sure we do this

49:26

completely right, because we don't want to be the

49:29

ones to mess this up. But what he's done

49:31

is put himself at a grave disadvantage for any

49:33

reasonable doubt. Like, if you would have had a

49:35

good attorney, maybe they could have gotten something in

49:37

that could have said that, you know, whatever possible

49:40

argument, but he just decided that he was some

49:42

genius, L-O-L, and this is, so you didn't give

49:44

them anything to consider, honestly.

49:47

Survivors of the attack were given a chance to respond

49:49

to the verdict in a press conference that followed. One

49:52

survivor said, Justice has been

49:54

served today. Each victim thanked

49:56

the first responders who came to their aid. The

49:59

prosecutor who saw the trial through, and

50:01

Judge Jennifer Doreau. District Attorney

50:04

Susan Opper said, It's obviously

50:06

quite satisfying that Mr. Brooks has been

50:08

found guilty and been held accountable for

50:10

his actions. As many of these

50:12

victims have said, this is a joyous day for

50:14

that reason. It's also the point where

50:16

we hope that everyone can move on from. When

50:19

asked what it was like going up

50:21

against Brooks defending himself, Opper said, As

50:24

far as handling the actual court proceedings,

50:26

we felt very, very offended by his

50:28

behavior and his disrespect of the court.

50:30

That was intentional on his part. We

50:32

truly believe that. He did everything he

50:34

can except claim the dog ate his

50:37

homework. He tried to change this into

50:39

his story, and we just kept redirecting

50:41

it back to the real focus here. Our

50:43

families, our victims, our community, and

50:46

his responsibility for this destruction. Opper

50:49

also related the legal difficulties of going

50:51

against someone so out of control, saying

50:54

at the press conference, Legally

50:56

it changed our strategy. If there is

50:58

an appeal, he can make a mistake in the courtroom

51:00

and get a new trial. We have to pay the

51:02

price for that. We the state, and we the victims.

51:05

It changed our strategy in that we had to

51:07

make sure, and Judge DeRoe did as well, that

51:09

the record was thorough, very complete,

51:11

and we didn't miss anything. Is

51:14

this a type of trial or any

51:17

trial? Do the

51:19

judge and the prosecution talk

51:21

a lot? Are they on? I

51:24

mean, I guess the judge is supposed to be unbiased.

51:27

In this case, would the judge

51:29

and the prosecution kind of like team

51:31

up because it's so wild what's

51:33

going on? Well, you wouldn't want to

51:35

have any appearance of any type

51:37

of impropriety because you don't want if he

51:39

is smart enough to get an appellate counsel

51:41

who's like, well, we see here that this

51:43

happened and this happened. It seemed like every

51:45

time she was addressing the attorneys

51:48

on the state side, he was

51:50

in the room or he was listening

51:52

in on Zoom or whatever, that it

51:54

was above board, totally done right. However,

51:56

I think what he, like I said, what he

51:58

did whenever he came in like he

52:01

thought he was gonna just act all wacky and

52:03

either get a mistrial or act all wacky and think

52:05

he's gonna Get a new trial later on appeal You

52:08

have then created in both the mind of the

52:10

judge who doesn't want to botch this because it's

52:12

now being watched by everybody law and crime was streaming

52:14

at live and from the

52:16

the prosecutors who are talking with the survivors

52:18

and the victims families You've now

52:21

created two camps of people who are like

52:23

we've crossed every T. We've done it every

52:25

I this is going to be so airtight

52:27

and so not appealable and they I mean

52:29

as You know prosecutors they

52:31

know what type of things can be challenged on

52:33

appeal and just making sure you shore that up

52:36

you have it In the record that if there

52:38

was some sort of objection that he made it

52:40

or that he you know I like I doubt

52:42

it the thing about him not knowing objections is

52:44

The purpose of an objection during trial is to

52:47

preserve an error for appeal that you say this

52:49

thing happened in court I object

52:51

your honor because of this case law You're

52:53

doing this wrong and the judge says

52:55

overruled and you go all right I

52:58

can kind of coast because I'm gonna get

53:00

this overturned on appeal. He was just shouting

53:02

objection at anything So in that

53:04

case, maybe he did object to something properly

53:06

But I highly doubt it because you do

53:08

have now these very dedicated people both on

53:10

the bench and then across the bar like

53:13

on The other side of bar going oh,

53:15

no We're gonna respond thoroughly and that's why

53:17

I think it was very important that she

53:19

took him very seriously The

53:21

prosecutors took him very seriously. They were pissed

53:24

off. You could tell they were fucking irritated

53:26

Yeah, but they responded thoroughly properly and

53:28

very seriously to everything he did because they were

53:30

they are making a record And I don't think

53:32

he got that I think he's like well, I'll

53:34

just fuck around and get a do-over later That's

53:37

what appeals are and it's like no you have

53:39

to have and what you've also just done You

53:41

fucking idiot one of the easiest doors to open

53:43

on appeal is ineffective assistance of counsel and you

53:45

can't claim it on yourself No,

53:47

so he should have had those attorneys Prayed to

53:50

the Lord that his antics would distract him that

53:52

they fucked something up and that he could get

53:54

appellate counsel and get another Bite at the Apple

53:56

but in in representing himself. He's closed one

53:58

of the most effective doors of appeal

54:00

that he could have gone through and it's

54:02

like that is why you don't represent yourself.

54:04

The hubris of man. Hopefully

54:06

that's why he'll never see the sun again. Brooks

54:11

has said he plans to appeal. He

54:13

remains in custody pending sentencing. Each

54:15

count of first degree intentional homicide carries

54:17

with it a mandatory life sentence. It

54:20

is expected that around 40 victims will speak

54:22

at the hearing, which is set for November

54:24

15th, just six days before the

54:26

one year anniversary of the attack. And

54:29

the families have made it clear they wanted the trial to

54:31

be done in 2022. They

54:33

were like, don't drag this out. And when he first tried

54:35

to fire his attorneys thinking they were

54:37

gonna have to hire someone else and they're gonna have to get up to

54:39

speed, they're gonna have to push the trial to 2023. So

54:42

he did the families a favor too, at least. There you

54:44

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Jan Kwiatkowski, a leader of the Danson

55:54

Grannies, which lost three members and a

55:56

volunteer in the attack, described what the

55:58

group was doing to move on. Its

56:01

first public performance following the attack was the St.

56:03

Patrick's Day event in March of 2022. She told

56:05

NPR, Nobody,

56:08

especially the Grannies who were there, knew exactly how

56:10

it would feel at that moment. As a

56:13

group, we talked about how do we support each

56:15

other through this. The flip side was quite honestly

56:17

the joy of just dancing together again and going,

56:20

We are back and we are going to

56:22

do this and we are going to get

56:24

through. Well, so what do we think? Oh,

56:27

Grannies. Sweet Grannies. Sweet Grannies.

56:29

Sweet Grannies. Yeah. The

56:32

whole thing is, I mean, like

56:34

I said, any of these things where it's like completely

56:38

careless, thoughtless,

56:40

reckless for the intention of hurting someone and

56:42

you're just out there trying to enjoy a

56:45

nice day with your family. Those

56:47

are the ones that hit the hardest for me. Yeah,

56:50

the crime itself is heinous. And

56:53

then I think the indignity and the way

56:55

that he treated this like a

56:58

show, like Sue Opper said, like he was trying

57:00

to make it about himself. He was like

57:02

trying to introduce irrelevant evidence about himself, his life. He

57:04

was trying to litigate old

57:06

issues with his girlfriend, the current issue with

57:08

his girlfriend. And they were just

57:11

like, nope, shut it down. This

57:13

is not about you. This is about the lives that you

57:15

ruined, about the community you destroyed. So I

57:18

am – I think we're a fair

57:20

and balanced show here. We like to talk about the

57:22

wrongs of the justice system, the rights of the justice

57:24

system. And I think everybody is entitled to a good

57:26

defense. And man, this guy really

57:28

screwed himself out of that. Yep, sure did. He

57:32

called his girlfriend, the

57:34

one that he had

57:36

had the argument with and had hit with his car also,

57:40

and then tried to say that

57:42

she was an incredible witness because she was

57:44

a bad parent. And one of

57:46

the district attorneys was like, if

57:48

we're going to bring that up, then we're also

57:50

going to bring up how he doesn't

57:53

live with her and his child.

57:56

He doesn't live with any of the other children

57:58

he's fathered. In fact, he – impregnated

58:00

this woman that he's abused

58:02

when she was a minor

58:04

and he was right on

58:06

statutory statutory sexual luring

58:08

or something or persuasive persuasiveness

58:11

or something he starts losing

58:13

his mind you don't even know what you're

58:15

talking about did you know that she told me she was 18

58:17

okay now we sound like

58:19

we get into a fight at some it's

58:22

at a bar this is just embarrassing now

58:24

yeah and on the record you've just said

58:26

that you did have sex with a minor not understanding

58:28

it's a strict liability offense so it doesn't matter what

58:30

she told she could have told you she was a

58:32

hundred years old and you're like a Benjamin buttoning I'm

58:34

so old it doesn't matter what they tell you

58:37

it's a child don't have sex with a child

58:39

don't impregnate a child because then that's evidence of

58:41

your crime and then yeah like you said he

58:43

thought well I'll just argue my way out of

58:45

this one but the way that he speaks you

58:48

can tell his I don't know if

58:50

his entire life but a good chunk

58:52

of his adult life he is bullied

58:54

got away with things manipulated and it

58:56

just the sadly all these people had

58:58

to lose their lives for the this

59:02

to happen to get him off the fucking street

59:04

and get him out of this poor woman's life

59:06

who he keeps hitting her running her over their

59:08

car chasing her with a knife like for her

59:10

sake I hope he does get sent it six

59:12

life sentences or whatever so she does not have

59:14

to be in fear anymore of him no and

59:17

the district attorney even said even

59:19

if all of this was true that

59:22

she's a bad mom that doesn't make her

59:24

not a credible witness those two things don't

59:26

even go hand in hand and this was

59:28

all the jury wasn't even in there when

59:30

when this happened another

59:32

thing he doesn't know is it like if you

59:34

want to introduce this go right ahead but

59:37

guess what we're gonna be introducing and they're

59:39

trying to give him like an out like if you want to

59:41

do this go ahead but

59:44

here's what's gonna happen yeah you

59:46

open the door the decision and

59:48

that's what it's what happened with that the

59:50

very wild sovereign citizen I saw

59:52

in that courtroom who started bringing certain things

59:54

up that you could just see the US

59:57

Attorney was like excellent because you're like

1:00:00

They you're you don't know what you don't know

1:00:02

And you don't know that you just stepped on

1:00:04

a landmine and you've just created a much bigger

1:00:06

problem for yourself But yeah, I think ranting and

1:00:08

raven that I didn't she told me she was

1:00:10

18 Not that you

1:00:12

could ever really look good after the horrible crimes

1:00:15

you committed But like we said, this is like

1:00:17

a shitty person bingo and he just oh, oh

1:00:19

and he also impregnated a minor Add that one

1:00:21

to the list in addition to hitler was right

1:00:23

and also several murders. He committed in the light

1:00:25

of day so he's just You

1:00:29

know, we talked about not having the death penalty and

1:00:31

the menendez brothers and maybe maybe by

1:00:33

the grace of god this in

1:00:35

in jail He'll uh be cured

1:00:37

of his perpetual ass holiness. He'll

1:00:40

become A counselor he'll

1:00:42

help the youth. I don't know Probably

1:00:44

not. No, probably not. He's going

1:00:47

to be capped off the streets. Hopefully from

1:00:49

hurting anybody else I think is the best we

1:00:51

can get yeah hurting anybody else

1:00:53

and especially, you know The

1:00:55

families knowing that not

1:00:57

only did he do this egregious act but

1:00:59

then the mockery he made While that was

1:01:01

another insult to injury. He at least didn't

1:01:03

succeed in the mock race And I think

1:01:05

that's why you take that on as the

1:01:08

prosecutor and the judge of like we can't

1:01:10

fail them No, and they did

1:01:12

a great job. This is the time when we see The

1:01:15

justice system works the way it should and

1:01:17

the jury did Absolutely the

1:01:19

right thing too Well,

1:01:21

it'll be interesting to see what the sentencing is.

1:01:23

I Don't imagine this

1:01:26

guy's gonna sue the light of day again I

1:01:28

hope that the hearing though on the on november

1:01:30

15th that He is kept

1:01:32

quiet They might have to put him in another

1:01:34

room But to where these it said around 40

1:01:37

victims Every single one of these people deserve to have their

1:01:39

voice heard and deserve just to look him in the eye

1:01:41

and say what he's Gonna say i'm gonna put duct tape

1:01:44

over his mouth put him in

1:01:46

another room mute his mic and Turn

1:01:48

the video all the way up. Yeah, and they and

1:01:50

he just has to let there sit there and listen

1:01:52

to him And he can't say a thing well,

1:01:55

thank you all so much for

1:01:58

supporting the patreon and listening

1:02:00

to this much miniso. We have a lot of people right

1:02:02

in. Well,

1:02:06

that is the original miniso that

1:02:08

aired back in 2022. We did

1:02:10

a true crime headlines

1:02:13

a while after that that gave some

1:02:15

updates, but we have many, many more

1:02:17

to give you right now. The

1:02:19

sentencing hearing finally happened on November 17th, 2022.

1:02:22

Nearly two years after the 2021

1:02:26

Waukesha parade attack, Daryl Brooks was

1:02:29

sentenced. The hearing spanned

1:02:31

two days during which dozens of

1:02:33

survivors and victims family members made

1:02:35

statements in court. The court

1:02:37

also presented written statements from some victims,

1:02:39

including some of the victims who were children.

1:02:43

Now it's really powerful to see a victim

1:02:45

impact statement projected in just the

1:02:47

tiny handwriting. Oh yeah. You know,

1:02:49

those are always, um, as

1:02:53

I mean, it's in the name of victim

1:02:55

impact statement. They are very impactful and to

1:02:57

see a child that saw firsthand,

1:03:01

you know, I mean, people's lives ended right in

1:03:03

front of them and see how not

1:03:06

only does it affect them of course right now,

1:03:08

but I mean, that's something you have with

1:03:11

you for the rest of your life. Yeah. And

1:03:13

it just says like, I remember, you know, or

1:03:15

like you hurt my leg or you did this.

1:03:17

I mean, it is, that's the juxtaposition between the,

1:03:19

the show he really put on and

1:03:22

the true harm that was happened. Judge

1:03:26

Jennifer Doro sentenced him to serve a

1:03:28

life sentence without the possibility of parole

1:03:30

for each of the first degree homicide

1:03:32

counts with these sentences

1:03:34

to run consecutively. When a defendant

1:03:36

is ordered to serve consecutive sentences, it

1:03:39

means he must serve time for

1:03:41

each separate offense. But otherwise

1:03:43

a defendant must finish the first

1:03:45

sentence before serving a sentence for the

1:03:47

other crime. We discussed this very briefly

1:03:50

about five minutes or so into

1:03:52

crime headlines, but to clarify the, he's

1:03:55

never getting out. I mean, if you have a life to

1:03:57

serve and you can't start your life,

1:03:59

you can't start your life. your next one until you finish

1:04:01

the first one and the first sentence is life

1:04:03

without parole, period. There it is.

1:04:05

Yeah, I mean, I it's, I

1:04:09

guess, not only because you're

1:04:11

you know, you have to issue the

1:04:14

sentence for each appropriate charge, but

1:04:16

also I think it's a message that

1:04:18

like, what you did

1:04:20

is so atrocious that is

1:04:22

it, you know, necessary from

1:04:24

a biological standpoint, like obviously is going to die

1:04:26

in prison, but it's like, yeah, keep second.

1:04:28

And then there's one on top of each other

1:04:31

just, just in case some

1:04:33

loophole comes around that there's like everything

1:04:35

thrown at him on the books possible.

1:04:38

That's a good way to put it too of like in case

1:04:40

there is some sort of loopholes like belt and

1:04:42

suspenders you have. You

1:04:44

have that backup. In

1:04:47

addition to the life sentences, Judge Doro sentenced

1:04:49

Brooks to 17 and a half

1:04:51

years for each of the 61 counts,

1:04:53

a first degree recklessly endangering safety

1:04:55

with the use of a dangerous

1:04:58

weapon. This added up to more than

1:05:00

700 years on top

1:05:02

of the life sentences without parole. Absent

1:05:05

an appeal, Brooks will effectively die

1:05:07

in jail. He was also ordered

1:05:09

to pay $170,000 in restitution, including over $124,000 for

1:05:11

crime victim compensation. And

1:05:18

that's something, you know, maybe

1:05:20

you don't think about too much, but that

1:05:22

is a very important part

1:05:24

of the sentence is the

1:05:26

restitution because you do have not

1:05:29

just for the victims who lost

1:05:31

their family members. There is a

1:05:33

financial impact for everybody on this.

1:05:35

Tons of medical bills, rehabilitation, you

1:05:37

know, it's going to be a long road,

1:05:39

even I'm sure some of them are still

1:05:41

recovering. Now they and

1:05:44

their insurance companies, they all have to shoulder the

1:05:46

burden because of this person's action. Missing

1:05:48

work because you were injured or

1:05:50

you're traumatized. You know, I mean,

1:05:52

if you physically injured, emotionally

1:05:54

damaged, there's a lot of I'm

1:05:58

honestly of the mind that's going

1:06:00

to be there. That is very low. Yeah. I

1:06:02

think it should be way higher than that, but

1:06:05

he doesn't have money anyway. So, but

1:06:07

still again, like a statement. Just in

1:06:09

case too. Yeah. During

1:06:12

the emotionally charged hearing Brooks's

1:06:14

family members attempted to bring his

1:06:17

mental health into question. His

1:06:19

grandmother, Mary Edwards told the judge

1:06:21

that Brooks was diagnosed with bipolar

1:06:23

disorder, and it was that disorder that

1:06:25

caused him to drive through the crowd. His

1:06:28

mother echoed those sentiments with Brooks's brother

1:06:30

also stating a wish that his brother

1:06:32

could get mental health treatment. Now

1:06:35

in the mini-sode you were saying, you know,

1:06:37

maybe he was diagnosed with something, even if

1:06:39

he found mentally competent to stand trial. And

1:06:42

it sounds like you're right that

1:06:44

his, his grandmother said he's diagnosed

1:06:46

with bipolar disorder, but our patron,

1:06:48

one of our patrons that commented

1:06:50

when we originally posted this Patty

1:06:52

who has experience in this field

1:06:54

of declaring people competent to

1:06:56

stand trial was helped clarify

1:06:58

that competent to stand trial

1:07:00

doesn't mean you're totally free of all

1:07:02

mental illness. It means that you're free

1:07:04

of any mental illness that confuses you

1:07:06

or means that you don't, you know, you don't

1:07:09

appreciate the nature of your actions. Yes.

1:07:11

You wouldn't be able to distinguish between right

1:07:13

and wrong at the time of the crime.

1:07:16

And she also brought up, which makes sense

1:07:18

that, you know, evaluations might not

1:07:20

be whole, completely holistic because most

1:07:22

of the time those who are

1:07:24

evaluating really don't have time

1:07:27

to do much more than just a single meeting,

1:07:29

maybe two meetings with the defendant, you

1:07:31

know, something to get a general idea of it,

1:07:33

but not, they're not going to be able to

1:07:35

essentially treat them for their mental health issues or

1:07:38

even diagnose them beyond just something kind of

1:07:41

obvious or facial. So I'm,

1:07:43

I mean, it's, I'm sure his

1:07:45

family is, it's the other side

1:07:47

of suffering. You know, there's victims

1:07:49

in his extended circle as well.

1:07:51

And they were just trying to advocate for

1:07:53

the person they look. However,

1:07:56

judge Doro cited opinions from four

1:07:59

mental health. stating

1:08:01

that Brooks understood the difference between right

1:08:03

and wrong, the key to competence. She

1:08:06

noted his lack of remorse or empathy,

1:08:08

saying, Do the mentally

1:08:11

ill sometimes commit atrocious crimes? They

1:08:13

do. This is not one of

1:08:15

those situations. There are many times

1:08:17

good people do bad things, but there

1:08:19

are times when evil people do bad

1:08:21

things. Brooks

1:08:24

vowed that he would appeal and he

1:08:26

filed a handwritten motion after the trial

1:08:29

to do just that. In

1:08:31

his motion, he claimed, there are clear issues

1:08:33

of the law and legal facts at

1:08:35

issue in his case. He asked

1:08:38

for representation from the Wisconsin state

1:08:40

public defender's office with his appellate

1:08:42

efforts. One legal expert,

1:08:44

Julius Kim, was interviewed by Fox

1:08:46

six news and suggested that competency

1:08:49

may be an issue in this

1:08:51

case. Kim clarified, one

1:08:53

thing that kind of stands out in my mind might be

1:08:55

the notion of whether Daryl Brooks was competent,

1:08:58

not to stand trial, but competent to

1:09:00

represent himself. However, under

1:09:02

Wisconsin state law, because Brooks was found

1:09:05

competent, he had the right to represent

1:09:07

himself. And that's something else that our

1:09:09

patron Patty brought up was that competent

1:09:11

to stand trial is not the same

1:09:13

as competent to represent yourself in all

1:09:16

states. But it's my understanding under Wisconsin

1:09:18

state law that there's

1:09:20

not a different distinction

1:09:22

and because you're competent

1:09:25

to do one you're competent to do the other. And

1:09:27

if you want to get up there and act like

1:09:29

you know, shit about anything,

1:09:32

you know what? I'm

1:09:34

not mad about it, because I think

1:09:37

he did himself a total disservice. But

1:09:39

it also showed

1:09:42

everybody just how

1:09:45

unhinged this person was. And

1:09:47

I mean, if you already didn't like

1:09:49

him after watching the trial, I mean,

1:09:52

there was just no redeeming

1:09:54

qualities about him. He took

1:09:57

something that he could have said, I'm so sorry.

1:10:00

sorry, this was

1:10:02

horrible. I'm so remorseful

1:10:04

for everything. But instead, he just made

1:10:06

a mockery of the court and wasted

1:10:08

everybody's time. Yeah, and further victimize all

1:10:10

the people that were there that then

1:10:12

had to show up either in the

1:10:14

gallery or to actually testify

1:10:16

and face him and to behave that

1:10:18

way. Other experts

1:10:20

like Thomas Greve, a former prosecutor

1:10:23

turned defense attorney in Madison told

1:10:25

the AP it seemed unlikely there

1:10:27

were appealable issues saying, I'm unaware

1:10:30

of any issues that Dora was created or

1:10:32

anything like that. I think the judge has

1:10:34

done a fantastic job of patiently addressing all

1:10:36

of Mr. Brooks issues which seemed to have

1:10:38

no end. He's gotten what he

1:10:41

wanted. He's made his bed and tucked himself

1:10:43

into it throughout this entire process. Now

1:10:45

he's facing the consequences of it. She

1:10:48

had the patience of a

1:10:51

saint. I mean, to and

1:10:53

she had to because otherwise,

1:10:56

you know, I mean, but she like,

1:10:58

followed all of the rules to make

1:11:00

sure that nothing was gonna get

1:11:03

thrown out because of her behavior. Yeah,

1:11:05

truly. I mean, she really seemed

1:11:08

like putting aside that personal emotion

1:11:10

of like, I am being

1:11:12

so disrespected right now. I'm so irritated on

1:11:14

the family's behalf right now on the court's

1:11:16

behalf right now. And to be able to

1:11:18

swallow that and be the

1:11:21

calm waters that she was throughout

1:11:23

and the real focus

1:11:25

is always what are appealable issues.

1:11:28

Did he create a record that would

1:11:30

support those appealable issues? That's why it's

1:11:32

so important to have an attorney at

1:11:34

the trial stage, because you have to

1:11:37

actually object to things properly. And

1:11:39

then the judge has to overrule them. And then

1:11:41

that way later in your appeal, you're like, I

1:11:43

should have had this right. I

1:11:45

objected to it. I brought it to the court's

1:11:47

attention. They said no. And then the so you

1:11:50

that's why he should have never,

1:11:52

ever represented himself. But I have

1:11:54

a suspicion. And I

1:11:56

don't know how his appellate attorney would

1:12:00

even address this, but I have a suspicion

1:12:02

that he was putting on a big show.

1:12:04

I think he was trying to seem incompetent,

1:12:06

trying to seem totally unhinged

1:12:08

off the wall so that he could later

1:12:10

think he could say, well, I was, I

1:12:13

couldn't stand trial. I was incompetent. But when

1:12:15

you have four evaluators, I think that's going

1:12:17

to weigh against that. Agreed.

1:12:21

In April of 2023, the state asked

1:12:23

Judge Doro to increase the amount of

1:12:25

restitution Brooks had to pay. The judge

1:12:28

agreed and the total amount Brooks owes

1:12:30

increased to 134,000 to the

1:12:33

crime victims for a total of 180,000.

1:12:35

The judge acknowledged that Brooks was unlikely

1:12:39

to pay the amount now, but she

1:12:41

wanted to be sure the victims were

1:12:44

covered in cases financial situation changed, saying,

1:12:46

there is absolutely no doubt in my mind

1:12:49

that the possibility exists for Mr. Brooks at

1:12:51

some point in the future to possibly profit

1:12:53

from a book deal or made for TV

1:12:55

movie. Yeah,

1:12:57

that's a good point. And that's, I mean, I still

1:13:00

don't think 180,000 is

1:13:03

enough. I mean, when you think

1:13:05

of all of the people that were affected,

1:13:08

and then you got to parse

1:13:10

that out. I mean, that really breaks

1:13:13

down to very little for each family

1:13:16

member or victim. And I

1:13:19

would not be surprised in the least if

1:13:21

a book deal made for TV movie, a

1:13:24

couple of them come out of this for sure. Yeah,

1:13:26

I hope that if it's focused on it's

1:13:28

focused on the victims and the survivors and

1:13:30

the city and the resilience of the city

1:13:32

and not on him and his attention

1:13:35

that he obviously did. Yeah. A

1:13:39

private attorney, Michael Cavi was appointed

1:13:41

to represent Brooks in January of

1:13:43

2023 through a deal with the

1:13:45

Wisconsin Public Defender's Office. The

1:13:48

extensive trial records took months to

1:13:50

prepare. Meanwhile, Brooks was in

1:13:52

court a few more times. First

1:13:55

in June, he was scheduled to go to trial on

1:13:57

the charges of running over the mother of his child

1:13:59

with a child. with an SUV before

1:14:01

the parade attack. She

1:14:03

told police the couple was fighting minutes

1:14:05

before Brooks drove through the crowd. When

1:14:08

she refused to get into his vehicle, he

1:14:10

gave her a black eye and a split

1:14:12

lip, hitting her while they were in the

1:14:14

car together. He also attempted

1:14:16

to intimidate her in a later incident.

1:14:19

That trial was delayed to a later date.

1:14:21

Brooks stated at the March, 2023 hearing that

1:14:24

if this case went to trial, he

1:14:26

would represent himself again. And

1:14:29

that's one of those where you're like, come on. You

1:14:31

didn't learn. Let him do it. I mean,

1:14:33

he's not doing himself any favors. Now,

1:14:35

is it a drain on just

1:14:37

tax dollars and the person that has

1:14:39

to oversee that? Of course, yeah. True.

1:14:42

But I think

1:14:44

if he, again, if he's competent

1:14:46

enough to do that, then that

1:14:48

kind of weighs

1:14:51

in the favor of like, well, then yes, he is

1:14:54

competent enough to know right from wrong and

1:14:56

therefore all of these charges stand. Yeah,

1:14:58

true. And then that cuts against

1:15:00

your appellate argument on the parade attack

1:15:03

case. If you're now representing yourself in

1:15:05

the domestic violence case and the witness intimidation

1:15:07

case, for sure. Then

1:15:10

in July of 2023, Brooks

1:15:12

was set to go to trial on weapons charges.

1:15:15

The second set of charges stemmed from an

1:15:17

incident in which Brooks fired a gun at

1:15:19

his nephew. Brooks told officers

1:15:21

at the scene different stories. He

1:15:24

tried blaming his own son, saying

1:15:26

the young man was posing with the weapon

1:15:28

on Snapchat. Then Brooks admitted

1:15:30

he did fire the weapon, explaining

1:15:33

to officers. I shot the gun at the

1:15:35

ground. It was not intended for my nephew.

1:15:37

It was not intended to harm or hurt

1:15:39

anybody. It was intended to get my nephew's

1:15:41

girlfriend the fuck away from my house. Sinister

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1:16:51

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1:16:53

Public Defender's Office. He

1:16:55

pleaded guilty to one count of possessing a

1:16:57

firearm as a convicted felon. The

1:17:00

state dismissed two felony charges for

1:17:02

recklessly endangering safety because they couldn't

1:17:04

locate or get the cooperation of the

1:17:06

victims. Brooks showed

1:17:09

remorse, saying, I just want to

1:17:11

take responsibility for the mistake I made that day. Judge

1:17:14

David Fice mentioned the parade attack when

1:17:16

he sentenced Brooks to two years in

1:17:18

prison, plus two years of probation to

1:17:20

run concurrently with his existing sentence, saying,

1:17:24

There's nothing I'm going to do that's going

1:17:26

to materially impact your situation. I

1:17:29

mean, yeah, you're just adding...

1:17:31

Dropping to the bucket. Yeah,

1:17:33

I mean, he still needs to be held accountable

1:17:36

and gives the victims of that

1:17:38

situation some semblance of justice,

1:17:40

I hope. But I

1:17:42

mean, he's in prison for the rest of

1:17:44

his life. He can keep getting

1:17:46

things stacked up, but that's where he's going to die.

1:17:50

Yeah. And what really struck me was that it

1:17:52

was a simple case where it sounds kind of

1:17:54

like a familial dispute and he got pissed off

1:17:56

and discharged a firearm. And to make a statement

1:17:58

in court for something that is that... minute

1:18:00

to be like, I really want to

1:18:02

take responsibility for what I did that

1:18:04

day. But then for another situation where

1:18:06

he's 100% he did it, which is

1:18:08

the parade attack to how he disrespectfully

1:18:10

acted that way. It's just such

1:18:13

a juxtaposition. It's bizarre.

1:18:15

Yeah. Yeah. For

1:18:18

the remaining case in Milwaukee related to

1:18:20

injuries to the mother of his child,

1:18:22

Brooks finally accepted the help of an

1:18:24

attorney in January of 2024. The

1:18:27

trial was scheduled for May 6

1:18:30

of 2024. He entered a plea of

1:18:32

no contest to count one of felony

1:18:34

intimidation of a victim. By

1:18:36

pleading no contest, Brooks was able

1:18:38

to accept a conviction without admitting

1:18:40

guilt. When he appeared

1:18:42

in court, Brooks was accompanied by his attorney

1:18:45

and sitting in a wheelchair. Court

1:18:47

officials said the wheelchair was a safety

1:18:49

measure and not as a result of illness

1:18:51

or injury. The court found

1:18:53

Brooks guilty and dropped the other charges.

1:18:56

The state asked for Brooks to be sentenced to a

1:18:59

substantial term in the

1:19:01

Wisconsin state prison system. A

1:19:03

sentencing hearing is scheduled for August

1:19:05

of 2024. And,

1:19:08

uh, yeah, when I first saw him in

1:19:10

that wheelchair, I thought what happened to him?

1:19:12

But, uh, I guess because of how boisterous

1:19:14

jumping up and down, everything he was at

1:19:16

the parade trial that it's,

1:19:18

if you're shackled, shackled to the wheelchair, I couldn't

1:19:20

see, I could only see there was a live

1:19:23

feed of it. So you can really only see

1:19:25

him from about the chest up and he's just

1:19:27

like in a wheelchair. But I wonder if that's

1:19:30

what it is, is that they have you shackled

1:19:32

so they can roll you in and roll you

1:19:34

out and you basically can't run off or jump

1:19:36

or hit anybody. But I couldn't see if he

1:19:38

was shackled to it. But at first I wondered

1:19:40

if he was having like health issues or something

1:19:42

like that. But I guess the reporters asked

1:19:44

and he was not. So that's

1:19:46

bizarre that you wouldn't have

1:19:49

him shackled, walk him to a chair in there

1:19:51

and then just like hand

1:19:53

cut them or ankle cut them to

1:19:55

the chair. Maybe there's some work they

1:19:58

have some kind of control. better

1:20:00

in a wheelchair. Yeah, maybe so

1:20:02

or because just because he is an extreme

1:20:04

extreme extreme case of how and

1:20:07

you saw what happened in that Las Vegas courtroom that

1:20:09

defendant jumping over and jumping at the judge that

1:20:11

because he had had to have been removed from

1:20:13

the first trial, you know from the parade attack trial, they

1:20:15

might have thought you know, we're not taking any chances

1:20:18

we'll roll them in and roll them out but we'll

1:20:20

keep it out for August of 2024 but it's

1:20:22

kind of like Judge Feist said it's like

1:20:24

it's not really gonna materially change anything but

1:20:26

again if there is some sort of appellate

1:20:29

window or something that would get him

1:20:31

released from prison on the parade attack

1:20:33

charges, I doubt that would happen. At

1:20:36

least you would still have these other sentences

1:20:39

that he would still have to serve. The

1:20:43

parade attack case is still pending appeal. In

1:20:46

April of 2024, appellate attorney

1:20:48

Michael Covey asked the court for more

1:20:50

time to prepare the appeal. The

1:20:52

trial transcripts were ready in November of

1:20:55

2023 but Covey did not receive them

1:20:57

for several additional weeks. District

1:21:00

Attorney Sue Opper called the request

1:21:02

very commonplace and had no

1:21:04

reaction. Covey asked to extend the

1:21:07

deadline to June 28th. The

1:21:09

request is pending. I assume he

1:21:11

will get that the judge

1:21:13

will let him have more time. It's

1:21:15

a huge record to have to go through

1:21:17

and I'm sure a huge mess and he said

1:21:19

that in his request the judge

1:21:21

of like I there's a lot

1:21:23

here it's like 76 different counts.

1:21:26

I have to make sure as an

1:21:28

appellate attorney you have to certify to

1:21:30

the court yes I checked

1:21:32

every possible avenue on every

1:21:35

possible charge so that

1:21:37

means knowing the elements

1:21:39

of every charge and then going through and making

1:21:41

sure that the state proved the element of every

1:21:43

charge and there were no anything

1:21:46

reversible that maybe Brooks

1:21:49

had objected to properly maybe just

1:21:51

like accidentally objected to something right.

1:21:54

This is one of those times where I'm like if

1:21:57

I was this guy yeah.

1:22:00

I might just be

1:22:02

like, yeah, there's smith. I mean,

1:22:04

how can it be so hard for

1:22:06

him to go through knowing what his

1:22:09

client did and look

1:22:11

for a reason to maybe help

1:22:13

him get out of prison or

1:22:15

get a lesser sentence, knowing what

1:22:17

he did. That's the tough one.

1:22:20

No, it definitely is. And from

1:22:22

what I understand, Covey is a

1:22:24

well-regarded private attorney who's getting paid

1:22:27

public defender rates. The state

1:22:29

will pay a highly specialized

1:22:32

attorney, not like they're $1,000

1:22:34

an hour, whatever they make, but the

1:22:36

same rate that they would compensate a

1:22:39

public defender, but so that the defendant

1:22:41

or the appellant here has a competent

1:22:44

counsel because a couple of Wisconsin attorneys

1:22:46

were like, there's probably a handful of

1:22:48

attorneys that are qualified in the state

1:22:51

to even handle this appeal because it's

1:22:54

so many charges and

1:22:56

such a messy underlying

1:22:58

record. So I hope

1:23:00

that for our

1:23:02

sake, for justice's sake, that this

1:23:04

attorney is super thorough, does a super

1:23:07

great job and there is

1:23:09

nothing appealable. While

1:23:12

Brooks continues to weave his way through

1:23:15

the Wisconsin legal system, dozens

1:23:17

of families are left picking up the pieces.

1:23:20

One of those families sued Brooks in late 2023,

1:23:23

as well as their insurance company, alleging

1:23:26

that his attack caused them to

1:23:28

suffer extreme emotional distress, panic attacks,

1:23:31

sleep deprivation, post-traumatic stress disorder, anxiety,

1:23:35

depression, and other damages. The

1:23:38

family was standing along the parade route when

1:23:40

the SUV barreled toward them. The

1:23:42

mother of the family pulled her children out

1:23:45

of harm's way. The entire family witnessed what they

1:23:47

called the carnage

1:23:50

of the day, including deaths in front

1:23:52

of them. The

1:23:54

two were covered in nearby cafe. The

1:23:56

suit seeks compensation for past and

1:23:58

future pain. past wage loss,

1:24:01

past and future medical expenses,

1:24:03

and future earning capacity. The

1:24:05

case is pending. And

1:24:08

it may be that as part of

1:24:10

their suit, they have to sue him in

1:24:13

addition to, to be able to sue their

1:24:15

insurance company. It's almost

1:24:17

like an uninsured driver getting into an

1:24:19

incident with an uninsured driver where your

1:24:21

insurance company is actually paying you for

1:24:23

the losses. But I

1:24:26

think everybody should just entitled the compensation

1:24:28

from this guy for sure. Yeah, I

1:24:30

think, I mean, unfortunately, it

1:24:32

costs money to hire an attorney and

1:24:35

sue people, but I would

1:24:37

love to see a lot of lawyers reach

1:24:40

out to people that do need

1:24:42

representation and take it pro bono

1:24:44

and help people like this

1:24:46

in this situation. Or like, just,

1:24:50

I don't know, I don't know. Can the court ever just

1:24:52

be like, everyone there

1:24:54

is entitled to something

1:24:57

and unfortunately the way it works,

1:24:59

just not everyone is gonna get

1:25:01

that. Yeah, you're right. I mean,

1:25:03

most states have crime victim compensation

1:25:05

funds where you can make a

1:25:07

claim for damages as related

1:25:09

to your, you know, most of the time it's

1:25:12

in the sense of like, sexual

1:25:14

assault and you wanna move apartments that

1:25:17

you live in. But in a situation like

1:25:19

this, you maybe could ask for some compensation

1:25:22

from the state fund, but you're right. I

1:25:24

think it is over, above and beyond what

1:25:27

even those limits are. And, you

1:25:29

know, not like any amount of money is

1:25:31

ever gonna help, but it would certainly help

1:25:34

pay for therapy, physical therapy, you know, things

1:25:36

that, like we said earlier,

1:25:38

the ripple effect that lasts well

1:25:40

beyond the initial harm that's gonna

1:25:42

come up every November 21st forever.

1:25:47

On May 8th, 2024, the city of

1:25:49

Waukesha broke ground on a memorial for

1:25:52

the victims and survivors of the parade

1:25:54

attack. The fundraising effort began

1:25:56

in January of 2022 for

1:25:58

the new memorial at Greed Park. park that

1:26:01

will include benches, sculptures, and a

1:26:03

tile wall. It is meant to

1:26:05

be a place for the community to both heal and

1:26:07

remember. At the groundbreaking,

1:26:09

Mayor Sean Riley said, we

1:26:11

as a community are and continue to

1:26:13

be Waukesha Strong. Donna

1:26:17

Kalig and several members of the Dancing

1:26:19

Grannies were present as well. WISN

1:26:21

News asked one Dancing Granny,

1:26:24

J.N. Kwakowski, what emotions the

1:26:26

memorial evoked. She said, I

1:26:29

don't know if I'd exactly call it peace,

1:26:31

but coming to a closure, a place

1:26:34

where we can still gather and remember.

1:26:37

Construction has begun and is expected to wrap

1:26:40

by this fall. The dedication

1:26:42

ceremony is scheduled for November 21, 2024, on the

1:26:44

three-year anniversary of the

1:26:48

tragedy. So

1:26:50

what do we think? Well, I'm

1:26:52

glad they're getting a memorial. It was really, you

1:26:55

know, seeing those two Dancing Grannies like

1:26:57

together. And when, you know, she said

1:26:59

that in the interview, she didn't even

1:27:01

sound like sad or she just sounded

1:27:03

like resigned. You know, it's kind of

1:27:05

like you want to have

1:27:07

a place where you can remember those people that

1:27:09

you love, but when they were taken

1:27:12

in such a violent way and in

1:27:14

such a, especially for

1:27:16

a town who it was in the place where their parade

1:27:18

is every year, you know, you all have to. So

1:27:21

hopefully the following parades that

1:27:24

have happened and now once

1:27:26

this memorial has opened, it becomes

1:27:28

more like we're taking the memory of

1:27:30

our downtown back to where a community

1:27:33

that loves and is strong and not

1:27:35

letting this person who took so many

1:27:37

lives and affected and impacted so many

1:27:39

bystanders lives. We're not going to let

1:27:42

him control the narrative anymore. And we're

1:27:44

not going to let him control our

1:27:46

feelings on this anymore. You know, we

1:27:49

were mad about the trial, but that's

1:27:51

he's locked up and gone for at

1:27:53

least seven hundred more years. So

1:27:56

now the next thing is how

1:27:58

can we remember these folks? And

1:28:00

the plans for it look beautiful. There's, you know,

1:28:02

of course a lot of sculpture and garden, but I

1:28:04

think a tile wall, you know, somewhere where it'll have

1:28:06

their names and a place where people

1:28:08

can go and have that silent reflection

1:28:11

of getting that closure and

1:28:14

be able to say their names and celebrate the

1:28:17

lives of who they were. Molly

1:28:19

said that too in her Freaky Friday

1:28:21

submission that every year the

1:28:23

town, like the parade just

1:28:25

cuts kind of bigger and

1:28:29

the community comes together even more

1:28:31

each year and the safety

1:28:33

measures have increased each year. And instead

1:28:36

of letting something this tragic,

1:28:38

you know, do

1:28:41

away with this forever, they really

1:28:43

came together and are

1:28:46

honoring all of the victims while

1:28:48

still continuing to grow as a

1:28:50

community to say like,

1:28:52

we're not gonna let you ruin this for us every

1:28:54

year, we're gonna take it back. And good

1:28:57

for all of you. Good for all

1:28:59

of you and good written to him. Like I

1:29:02

said, I hope the appellate attorney checks

1:29:05

every box and says, this is airtight and then

1:29:07

he can just go away. And

1:29:10

if he does, like I said, make any money off

1:29:12

of it, I hope it doesn't do anything to make

1:29:14

him look good. It does nothing but compensate the

1:29:16

victims. It all goes to the victims. Yeah, compensate

1:29:18

the victims for what happened and show

1:29:21

him for the monster that he was both, the

1:29:23

monster he was on the day on November 21st and

1:29:26

the monster he was at the trial thereafter for

1:29:28

sure. Thank you to Molly.

1:29:30

Thanks to everybody who has commented

1:29:32

on the mini-code that was from Waukesha

1:29:34

or has emailed us. And I

1:29:36

think the mayor really summed

1:29:39

it up at the ceremony and the

1:29:41

community are and continue to be Waukesha

1:29:43

Strong. And when things like that

1:29:45

happen- That's what Molly said too. Yeah. And

1:29:47

that is just that, you know, they really

1:29:50

do embody that motto of Waukesha

1:29:52

Strong. That's the update. We'll

1:29:55

keep you updated if we hear anything else on

1:29:57

the appeal. Like June 28th is a key date

1:29:59

as well. is August for that other sentencing, but it's going

1:30:01

to be a drop in the bucket. So I think the

1:30:03

appeal is what we'll be looking at. But until

1:30:06

then, I hope everybody in Waukesha

1:30:08

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