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1:00

Over a century the we'd you board has

1:02

been but the silly slumber party game and

1:04

a portal into the unknown. But. In

1:06

two thousand and Nine, one man conjured

1:08

a supernatural force that has since been

1:11

experienced by countless others the world over.

1:14

Is. This just the case of a viral urban

1:16

legend. Or. Has something more sinister

1:18

been unleashed? This. Week's episode

1:20

is Zoe So the We'd you

1:22

Demon. Dread

1:33

probably. Once

1:35

you can be both

1:37

demon no worse suited

1:39

to mobile which is

1:42

close surplus you're doing

1:44

dude com increased if

1:46

you could. You'd rather

1:48

just listen to. do

2:00

Oh my gosh, it's so good to see you. I haven't

2:02

spent any time with you or seen you at all in

2:04

the last seven days. Oh,

2:07

yeah, we've been on the road for quite

2:09

a bit and I saw

2:11

you just about an hour ago when we departed

2:13

from the airport. But

2:16

we needed to record this so we

2:18

can have this go out

2:20

tomorrow. Yes, we made it back

2:22

despite lightning. We made it later than we thought

2:24

we would coming back from the first leg of

2:26

our tour. Thank you. Oh

2:29

my gosh, you guys is what made it fun.

2:31

I mean, the cities were great, St. Louis, Chicago,

2:33

Milwaukee, but all of y'all who came out who

2:36

came out brought the full moon energy and had

2:38

so much fun in the Q&A's. Thank

2:40

you so much. We had

2:42

such a delightful time in

2:44

all of the cities legitimately. We

2:47

went to the city museum in

2:50

St. Louis, which is top three

2:53

most bonkers place I've ever been to.

2:56

I'm still wrapping my head around the fact

2:58

that it's even allowed.

3:01

It's so bananas, but if you've

3:03

been there, you're from there, you

3:05

know. We

3:07

took a poll that evening

3:10

at the show of round of applause

3:12

if you've been injured at the city

3:14

museum and it was a thundering roar

3:16

from the museum. Almost 100%. When

3:19

you have a children's museum that's made

3:21

of rebar and sharp edges and angles,

3:23

it like makes sense. We

3:25

were sad because we were looking for the human

3:27

size hamster wheel and we're searching around and then

3:29

when we got up and found a maintenance person,

3:31

he said, you know, they had to take it

3:33

out due to too many injuries.

3:37

Sometimes you got to remove the giant

3:39

hamster wheel, but they didn't remove everything. There's

3:41

still a lot of death defying

3:43

things you could partake in there.

3:46

There's plenty of things to do. Well, we did defy

3:48

death because then we drove up from St. Louis to

3:50

Chicago and we stopped in a place called Chanoa, Illinois

3:52

and we ate at a place called the Family Restaurant.

3:55

And my favorite thing is we set it on stage

3:57

in Chicago and then a woman stood up in the

3:59

Q&A and said, you went to the Chinoa

4:01

family restaurant, I'm from there, you didn't drink

4:03

the water, did you? And we were like,

4:05

yeah, we did, because we ate at your

4:07

restaurant, so we did. Who

4:11

we kept asking, do they call it

4:14

the restaurant? Do they call it Chinoa

4:16

family restaurant? She said they call it

4:18

CFR. CFR,

4:20

sure. They go acronym only, but

4:22

it was great. Yeah,

4:24

we ate the food, we're still alive. Yeah, it

4:26

was so good, the food was so good, we ate at

4:29

the Concord Grill, which was so good. Oh, in St. Louis,

4:31

yeah. That wedding cake, thank you for

4:33

that wedding cake suggestion, it was unreal.

4:36

We went to Chicago

4:39

and had a bunch of great food

4:41

there, as well, Milwaukee. We, it's

4:44

one thing though, in Milwaukee, we did not try. No,

4:46

we did not. And we drive up. The

4:49

camel milk that some

4:51

people are really trying to push, as

4:54

the new milk. Which is funny,

4:56

because Wisconsin's like Dairyland, so I would think it

4:58

would be a pro cow place, but we saw

5:00

more than one sign for camel milk as a

5:03

better alternative, so then we googled it, and we

5:05

came upon a website that was like, don't drink

5:07

that weekly milk, get your family on the real stuff.

5:09

Don't be afraid to try the, so we were at

5:11

Sprouts, we left your house and we went to Sprouts

5:13

to get food, because we didn't have any groceries, because

5:16

we hadn't been home for seven days. And we're at

5:18

Sprouts, and just with a serious face, I went

5:20

up to Paris and said, I'm gonna ask, do

5:22

you think they have camel milk here? He said,

5:24

of all places, they probably would have it. Yeah,

5:26

oof, that description of it though,

5:29

creamy with a salty finish

5:31

is, never, I'll

5:34

die first. I will die

5:36

first before I drink the

5:38

camel milk. Yeah, it was very Yeti-ish. Yeah,

5:40

yeah we asked, but we love Milwaukee, we

5:43

got to take selfies with the bronze fawns,

5:45

and visit everyone, so we're coming to Charlotte

5:47

on June 11th and Raleigh on June 12th.

5:49

So if you know of any weird places

5:51

in or around, or between Charlotte and Raleigh,

5:53

let us know, we love all kinds, like

5:55

the City Museum, whether it's a dangerous children's

5:58

museum, or a restaurant. I love it. His

6:00

water might be radioactive or exotic

6:02

notes. Anything like that. Let us know. That's the kind

6:04

of weird stuff we love when we're out on the

6:07

road talking about the moon and

6:09

good food recommendations because all of you

6:11

that gave us those, we

6:13

hit up the ones we could and

6:15

none of them disappointed. So everyone's doing

6:17

a great job. Y'all are making

6:19

this even more fun than it was going to

6:22

be because all the crowds are great. Everything was

6:24

great. The show is so much fun.

6:26

If you haven't been or even if you have

6:28

been, we've added and changed quite a bit of

6:31

stuff. So come on back. You

6:33

get to hear all about the darker

6:35

side of the moon. It's everything you

6:37

love about the show, but it's all

6:39

centered around the moon. It's not an

6:41

episode we release. It is our touring

6:43

show. So there's video

6:46

components, audience participation,

6:48

polls, local twist,

6:51

local twist. And

6:53

then of course, oh,

6:55

the stuff the moon does to us. What lurks

6:57

up there, what people really think happened

6:59

during the Apollo missions and more.

7:02

And McGruff comes with us. So

7:04

McGruff, he's there. How could I forget

7:06

he is there? He won't forget. But

7:08

yeah, we'll be in Charlotte on June 11th, Raleigh on June

7:10

12th. And then we're going

7:12

to Cincinnati, Cleveland, Toronto, Kansas City,

7:14

Oklahoma City, San Diego, Phoenix, Las

7:16

Vegas, and we're ending it here

7:18

in Dallas. So go over to

7:20

our website for all the details,

7:23

dates, times, venues, and more at

7:25

sinisterhood.com/live shows. Well,

7:28

this week's topic was referenced

7:30

recently in a freaky Friday by way

7:32

of, and that's

7:34

why we drink, which yes, our besties

7:36

over there. We love when we have people

7:38

say, I learned about you from, and that's how we

7:41

drink. And this one they send

7:43

in a freaky Friday saying, I almost got

7:45

my ass on. And we're like, well,

7:47

that could have been us because we talked about

7:49

this exact thing on a mini. So before, yes,

7:52

Bayland sent this on on freaky Friday, number one

7:54

oh seven and aptly titled your friends that, and

7:56

that's why we drink got my ass haunted. And

7:58

Bayland said, so listen to this. episode at your

8:00

own risk because in, when

8:02

Bailin wrote in, she wrote, I

8:04

don't say, write, or even think its name.

8:07

M, however, did say it many times. And that

8:09

is what's known to summon it and what you're

8:12

fixing to listen to. We say its name many

8:14

times. A lot. A lot. I don't

8:16

know that we knew that, perhaps. Or we

8:18

just were throwing. Never guarded. Yeah.

8:21

Just caution to the wayside, I suppose.

8:23

But yes, listen at your own

8:25

risk. I mean, this was originally

8:27

released around Halloween 2020. You'll hear

8:29

us talk about Halloween, quarantine. We

8:31

mentioned you're in your third trimester

8:33

at the time with Simon. Why

8:35

travel back in time? These episodes

8:37

are wild because especially when they're

8:39

pandemic heavy, just how different everything

8:41

was then and now. And it's,

8:46

we've all been through a lot and it's always,

8:48

I like, I look, that's one of the best

8:50

things I think about the podcast is

8:52

how all of this is

8:54

like a time capsule. And later, like

8:56

my kids will be able to listen

8:58

to like, you talk about their births

9:00

and being in the third trimester and

9:03

a Ouija board demon. You know, it's

9:05

all about balance. And Heather was

9:07

feeling depressed and bought a Garfield t-shirt with Tanya Tucker

9:09

lyrics on it, which at the time I was like,

9:11

I don't even know what this says. I just like

9:13

it. It's a Tanya Tucker song just so you don't

9:15

have to deal with it. You gotta wear it. You gotta

9:18

find it. I have it. I found it in the

9:20

bottom of my drawer, but it's one of those where

9:22

I was like, Oh, that was right when I bought

9:24

this. So it gives you all these like clicks in

9:26

your head that you're like, that was the time I

9:28

was going through that. So we're taking you back to

9:30

Halloween 2020. And like

9:32

we said, we don't feel particularly cursed, haven't said

9:34

its name as many times as we did in

9:37

this episode. So I think you'll be okay. But

9:39

we've had people say like, I can't even listen

9:41

to this mini-sode, which it was, it's not really a

9:43

mini-sode. It's a full size episode. That's what we accidentally

9:46

do with a lot of mini-sodes. They just end up

9:48

being full length. But it said, I've, you know, I

9:50

can't even listen to this or I don't want to

9:52

listen while I'm alone because I'm so scared. But for

9:54

the most part, we sort of roast Zach

9:56

Bagan. I am. And

10:00

at the very end, we give you some full

10:02

moon tips. Yes, it's very funny given our full

10:04

moon energy show to hear me talk about when

10:06

I worked at Legal Aid how all of our

10:09

cases were extra crazy because it was a full

10:11

moon. Is it true? You have to

10:13

come to our show to find out. You got

10:15

to come to the show and be part of the audience

10:17

poll and you can weigh in.

10:19

Weigh in, but until then, good

10:22

luck. Godspeed. You're about to

10:24

hear all about Zozo the Ouija

10:26

board demon. Enjoy.

10:31

It's a good one for Halloween. Whoa, spooky.

10:33

I got a little spook to read about

10:35

this. I get a spook to read about Ouija

10:38

boards just period full stop. I feel like they're not

10:41

to be trifled with. I used

10:43

to love a

10:45

Ouija board back when I

10:48

was in middle school and

10:50

high school. I don't remember if it went

10:52

all the way back to elementary school. Perhaps.

10:54

I definitely know it was a big

10:56

staple at middle school slumber parties and

11:00

probably even in high school. But

11:03

then I had some witches a few

11:05

years ago tell me, you shouldn't

11:08

use a Ouija board ever. Like

11:10

they were doing, was

11:12

it a cleansing? I went to this spooky bachelorette

11:15

party, which by the way, most fun

11:17

bachelorette party ever been to. It

11:19

was super fun. Awesome. Yeah. Oh,

11:23

shoot. What's that hotel downtown that supposedly

11:25

haunted the adults? Oh,

11:28

yeah, it is. God, I got

11:30

pregnancy brain. You guys, I'm going to

11:32

third trimester. I can't remember anything that

11:34

happens these days. We stayed at the Adolphus

11:36

where Heather and I also stayed

11:39

and did a whole episode on

11:42

and they came and they did like tarot readings,

11:44

but they also were like,

11:48

have you ever used a Ouija board? And

11:51

I said, yes. And they're like, have you ever felt

11:53

like something has been attached to

11:55

you since then? Mm hmm.

11:57

And I was like, no. And they're like, OK, that's good.

12:00

That that. Can happen. Sit.

12:02

On ever used as a we do you prefer it again.

12:04

I was like oh shit and one of

12:06

the other girls that was there. She.

12:08

Had always felt like that know like he

12:10

probably brought something out that is attached to

12:12

you. I said he did like a cleansing.

12:15

Six is hop for for. More

12:17

that's a mean as I think

12:19

that's the issue that a leaderboard

12:21

is like a large piece of

12:23

construction equipment. It's is. No one

12:25

should use it unless you know what you're

12:27

doing is not that you know it's the

12:29

average person. Is this? It's dangerous. There's a

12:31

lot that to go wrong and I think

12:33

a lot of people don't like the shut

12:35

down at the end and legs and cleansing

12:37

and self afterwards. It's just like earth been.

12:39

Put it back in the box and you've

12:41

let them. Go

12:44

back. Also we say we these. Sites.

12:46

We we, We assess. We

12:48

say weegee. We know that.

12:51

Technically is Weezer I believe.

12:54

Yes, I've also heard oh he just

12:56

a wager. There's. Several

12:58

pronunciations. We.

13:00

Grub. Same wheezy yes so we

13:02

feel comfortable saying so. That's

13:05

our sorrow. Vernacular.

13:07

That sovereign actually see it right or wrong. So

13:09

that's what we're gonna. Call. In this

13:12

episode. So. Yeah

13:14

I as I haven't

13:16

used to weegee board

13:18

and many years we

13:20

had one mysteriously. Mailed.

13:22

To me. I guess it

13:24

was about three years ago now right to

13:27

is it was twenty eighteen cause we gave

13:29

it away our lives so are very first

13:31

live so. Was. October. Twenty six,

13:33

Twenty time. Oh yeah,

13:35

mom likes to summers ago. Yeah,

13:37

a nursery. Ah of. And

13:40

we gave it away to Mariela our

13:42

beloved, one of our oh gee original

13:44

listeners and my kindergarten best friend and

13:46

we get made her sign a waiver

13:48

Citizen Alliance any liability they I just

13:50

randomly set up and did a week

13:53

we got the review on I Tunes.

13:55

I. Think there was. Yes, there were there are

13:57

many are on I tunes. It was a mysterious.

14:00

How's. It only lasted one. so

14:03

what I was hoping it became like assholes saying

14:05

that we had to unravel. And. Then.

14:08

At. My home a we see

14:10

board was shipped. In there was some. It.

14:12

Was wrapped in butcher paper. I

14:15

think I saved it. Because. It

14:17

had something scrawled on the front. About

14:20

Adam. That was creepy or

14:22

whatever. Yeah. So it's obviously

14:24

some. That. We

14:26

know what they are. You're at a know

14:29

where I live in. This is when we

14:31

first started so. No. One really

14:33

eve and new who we were. Anything still out

14:35

of we were found out who did

14:37

that. Either wind

14:39

a maybe we found out who did

14:41

the. Creepy. I tell you that will

14:43

only last a separate say and that the ouija board

14:46

with separate sign on other we ever found out the

14:48

window. I think I know who didn't but. I've

14:50

never gotten confirmation. You. Is

14:52

still very studies instead of the you message me and

14:54

said disease in this to my house and I said

14:56

no and you're like your job Why are you kidding

14:58

to some Se with the. You know, think I'm not that

15:00

clever to do like? I'm not going to do that.

15:03

Yeah and now Mayor I guess Marilyn still

15:05

has that. You know she still hasn't. Honestly

15:07

we set off I ask her and assessing servant

15:09

see get a kid Maybe she lets him

15:11

play that on about darling not satisfy you

15:13

get a demon in your house does he

15:15

have let your toddler play with the wheezy

15:17

board? My sister got one as you play with

15:19

at all the time and mom's on a page

15:22

drowned out salt in the wound. And to

15:24

see or hear this I think my sister

15:26

for goes to my parents' house. My dad

15:28

and I both saga so my childhood home

15:30

I think it was after I think it was

15:32

we'd your board related. Think that see

15:34

open a portal know scene and didn't hit

15:36

get by on the plane set the oh

15:38

is that it had begged as i as

15:41

i never touch sis and then i was

15:43

freaking paranormal activity a mess. Theirs.

15:45

Of we were that catches on fire and then lama

15:47

has in there and I will not let one from

15:49

my home. Sinister.

15:53

And will be right back. My. Favorite

15:55

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17:32

We don't have one of my home. I think there

17:34

is one at my mom's house. Because.

17:36

What's weird is and I read this whole

17:39

really good article as the Smithsonian dead about

17:41

the history of the We Do board which

17:43

will post in the show notes. It.

17:47

Was just a child's game. Yes,

17:49

Which is what's so. Crazy about the whole

17:52

thing is it was intended. Just.

17:54

some be a game and now it's

17:56

morphed into this way the concept fit

17:59

co Unsettling

18:01

is that that that was a child's game.

18:03

Let's go on track the other side And

18:06

it's I think it's just the energy you put into

18:08

it And I mean maybe we could have done it

18:10

with a mr. Bucket or some other more less

18:13

freaky You know that's what kind

18:15

of a dear bucket his buckets of fun mr.

18:17

Bucket. He spits things out and you put them

18:19

back Oh, that's right. Yes, little bitty bucket or

18:21

like don't wake daddy I don't know we need

18:23

to use another thing to conjure the unknown cuz

18:25

the Ouija boards to freak you know I even

18:27

made my own Did

18:31

you like they used to do back in the

18:33

day? Yeah, well we have our sinister hood ones

18:35

Oh, you do have one in

18:37

your house then it's is it I mean there's

18:39

only sinister hood letters So if you're like who

18:41

are you would be like ho or well

18:44

that in yeah, or no it's in your house,

18:46

then Some

18:52

people including people I

18:54

know feel that it's What's

18:58

the word Dangerous

19:01

I guess to have anything Ouija

19:04

board related oh I I

19:06

feel like we're safe on this one cuz it's us

19:08

like you can't there is no goodbye though now that

19:10

I'm looking at it Oh, so at the end. I

19:12

guess you just be like keep it creepy That's

19:16

kind of goodbye. That's how we say

19:18

goodbye. Goodbye. Yeah sure that's true Well

19:21

if you plan on getting your Ouija board

19:23

out this Halloween We're

19:26

here to tell you about a Dude

19:29

that may show up that you might not want showing

19:31

up in your house No, did you

19:33

I didn't know about this before the no I

19:35

didn't this was actually a

19:38

patreon suggestion from Samira day

19:40

So thank you Samira. I'm

19:42

saying your name right for

19:44

for this one. We thought it'd be a fun one

19:46

for Halloween Nice

19:48

and spooky yes The Term

19:52

Ouija may be a trademark owned by the toy

19:54

maker Hasbro, but the concept of the

19:56

divination board predates any claim of ownership

20:00

Hulver lists 1890 as the first use

20:02

of the term. Civilizations back

20:04

to ancient China have used

20:06

planchetes, small teardrop-shaped devices

20:08

upon which fingers are placed during

20:10

seances, and letterboards as way

20:13

to contact the spirit realm. So

20:15

even if it was a game, it was still kind of

20:18

intended in that form with the planchette. Yes.

20:21

Yeah, I remember the one that I made once,

20:23

I think I was in middle school, was

20:26

we just wrote the

20:28

alphabet on pieces of cut up paper and put

20:30

it on the table and then used a clear

20:33

glass. I'll tell you

20:35

right now, we always contacted somebody. I'm sure

20:37

it was one of us doing it, but

20:40

it was never a dull moment when the Ouija

20:42

board got brought out. My homemade. And

20:44

at one of my slimmer parties, I

20:46

was convinced that I had unleashed something and it was

20:48

living in my closet. Oh, God. For weeks, I felt

20:50

a presence in there. Your mom had that in there.

20:52

She didn't come out of the squirt bottle. I think

20:55

I was beyond that. I think she was probably like,

20:57

Chrissy, it's fine, go to bed. There's

21:00

nothing in there. The

21:02

Ouija board gained popularity in the years

21:04

following the Civil War, with grieving survivors

21:06

desperate to make contact with their deceased

21:09

loved ones. But throughout years of

21:11

use, some people have gotten more than they

21:13

bargained for when using the old divination device.

21:16

Everyone has a Ouija story,

21:18

from slumber-preducianians to modern day séances.

21:21

But since 2009, thrill

21:23

seekers have found that they weren't the only

21:25

ones to all be visited by the same entity,

21:28

a demon called Zozo. Dun,

21:32

dun, dun. Dun. It's like Zul. It's

21:34

like, that's such a, there's

21:37

something like evil, like, ugh. I guess it's

21:39

rare. Yeah, it's like a rare name too.

21:42

Oh yeah, just Zozo in general. I thought

21:44

you meant Z's, Z names. Yeah,

21:47

yeah, pretty rare. My brother's name's Zach. That's

21:50

a really common one. He's a demon, so.

21:52

Oh, we know. According

21:56

to believers, Zozo's demonic roots

21:58

Are of ancient origins, possibly. The

22:00

African or marion. Others

22:02

feel this isn't correct and it's

22:04

as though is simply being confused

22:06

with possessive the infamous mesopotamian when

22:09

demon. An. Ancient Babylon Humans

22:11

made sacrifices to a demon called.

22:13

The. Zaza. Then. According

22:16

to throw us, there was a mention

22:18

of those of centuries later in the

22:20

dictionary. Oh, infernal. First published and

22:22

eighteen eighteen? The book recounts

22:24

and and step with the demon so that possess

22:26

a young girl and eighteen sixteen. Long.

22:29

with two other demons. Though. The

22:31

translation also indicates. The girls story was

22:33

the bugged. That. Still doesn't explain

22:35

how the singular entity ended up

22:37

with the ability. To pop through

22:40

and seemingly any wiki board across

22:42

the world. Most. Definitely possess

22:44

you. And me were alive Such as

22:46

diseases in there is set up diseases.

22:49

Obviously every time I

22:51

wear. My. Down a laser. The meat

22:53

were like sir. Alex as what's sad.

22:56

And how to my god, it's a meat warlock in sea

22:58

salt. Is. A for Halloween I'm

23:00

like yeah I guess is since her house

23:03

assisted is it is see all I want

23:05

to know what's it doing and I'm like

23:07

not really no at the city's casting a

23:09

spell of it's. A in the World as

23:11

of work for her. It's on tour right

23:13

now. Where. Are you going to

23:15

say oh, As you say, when I wear mine I thought. Hard core

23:17

like a rock and roll like I don't have any. All

23:20

my teasers are like Seinfeld or likewise, it's

23:22

not a Garfield. Desserts on a liberal low

23:24

point in this quarantine. Love Love is a

23:27

say Monday Solicitors It's with a cup of

23:29

coffee. Garfield has a cowboy hat and it

23:31

says when I die I'm not sure I'll

23:33

go to heaven. I don't think they like

23:35

cowboys in Out. Know what it is? It's throw

23:37

weird sub pop doesn't. As like a pop

23:39

a bad of we think you would like to see certain

23:42

oh my god oh it. Was a set of

23:44

cel mai meet were lox is like my cool

23:46

as as as here has served punk rock t

23:48

shirt. According

23:51

to thrillers two Thousand and Nine with the

23:53

earliest on my mention of the same demonic

23:55

force. Visiting. Those. Brave enough to

23:57

wield a plane. Sat. There.

23:59

And. Having Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

24:02

Posted. About his encounter with the spirits

24:04

on the website: True Go Sales. Having

24:07

made contact with though so in

24:09

multiple states and using various. Weegee

24:11

boards deer and told Trellis the

24:13

he's encountered the demon. Too.

24:15

Many times to count. I

24:18

like that he put true. Before the store

24:20

he's on his website is

24:22

not fake ourselves as cigarettes.

24:24

Advice: Not poisoned food. Not

24:29

going to get a call. I food. In

24:31

There and Story seemingly the first to

24:34

appear online. He claimed says it

24:36

would often first present himself as a

24:38

benevolent entity during one encounter. So even

24:40

began by moving the plants out around

24:42

to tell their and he had come

24:44

to take his family to paradise. However

24:46

when there and ask for paradise was.

24:49

This. Is true intentions became clear.

24:52

To. Supplant sense slowly spelled out.

24:54

H E S

24:56

O L Ah.

24:59

That's hard to do on a plane

25:01

set. the hoo ha ha ha ha

25:03

yeah I think my pillow oh ha

25:05

ha dado sansemea ah i really feel

25:07

i guess he nice fear so thing

25:10

plans to quote take You Away. That.

25:12

Means getting killed. the now it's

25:14

yeah, Yeah I mean here

25:16

and fell into that trap is as

25:18

as as a really set him up

25:20

for that and then he's a sour

25:22

this is candy. From a baby's. There.

25:25

And also claimed the demon. Would curse him

25:27

through the board and. Languages that seem to

25:30

be a Latin or Hebrew. Worst.

25:32

Of all their answers, conjuring the

25:34

demon almost caused. Him to loses his young

25:36

daughter. Is. Also allegedly tried to

25:38

drown the toddler. Through. Her down

25:40

the basement stairs, Cause. Her to

25:42

suffer temporary blindness and infected her

25:45

with the mysterious illness. Of

25:47

the horrific events, their untold. Trellis.

25:49

We almost lost her. And that's when I

25:51

began. To suspect a demonic attack.

25:56

Is. so things happened to your kid would

25:58

you suspect monica to The

26:00

drowning he uh The

26:03

wife left the baby in the bath alone.

26:05

Yeah, so I don't think that's the same

26:07

as a demon drowning it that's That's

26:11

neglect. Yeah, he walked in and

26:14

the baby was in the bathtub by herself Under

26:17

the water and couldn't sit up

26:19

and the mom wasn't there. Yeah Growing

26:23

down the basement stairs. Don't you have like if you have

26:25

stairs in your house, or they're supposed to be baby gates

26:27

I don't have kids. I haven't show all up. I have

26:29

lots of baby gates We have a lot

26:31

of baby gates and I'll tell you right now none of them are for

26:33

a baby They're all for battle to keep her

26:35

ass contained in a certain area of the

26:37

house. So Yeah from

26:40

what I saw on the ghost

26:42

adventures episode that

26:44

they do on him he says

26:47

the little girl got picked up at the top

26:49

of Like the stairs

26:51

in their house house Threw

26:54

her down those then picked her

26:56

up again Throw her

26:58

down another set of stairs. Correct. Yes So

27:01

there's two sets of stairs. This little girl got

27:03

tossed down Allegedly if you

27:06

got a double baby gate the demon can't throw

27:08

her through the game. Yeah. Yeah, I know and

27:10

they're hard to open There

27:13

I don't even the demon it's very hard

27:15

to like your your smoke hand Can't grip

27:17

the thing to release the lock on it

27:19

and I am a human person and I

27:22

can't open a baby gate Which is how

27:24

I know I'm not ready for children. I

27:26

don't know how to I can't

27:28

get myself out of it I have to yeah,

27:30

we have one we just recently took him down

27:32

actually But we had one that

27:35

drove me nuts and it drove everyone else

27:37

nuts to the point where I would find out

27:39

Babysitters would just crawl over it because

27:41

they couldn't figure out There

27:44

was a terrible baby game, you know, you're safe.

27:46

Mm-hmm In

27:48

2014 Zach Baggins

27:50

and the Ghost Adventure crew travel to

27:52

Oklahoma City to provide assistance to Darren

27:54

and his family who according

27:57

to Zach were tormented

28:00

after summoning a real demon

28:02

Zozo through a Ouija board.

28:05

During the episode, Darren and the Ghost Adventures

28:07

team once again use a Ouija board to

28:09

contact Zozo, even though Darren had

28:11

not used a board in 10 years. This

28:14

is where I got tripped up, sorry, because

28:16

it's 2014 and he says he hasn't used a

28:18

board in 10 years and then he started posting them out in 2009. I

28:21

don't know, I feel like the math didn't add up. Ah,

28:24

a lot of this doesn't add up.

28:26

Sorry to interrupt. No,

28:29

I mean, we'll talk about the

28:31

episode because it is, it's something.

28:34

It's a lot. It's a lot, it's a

28:36

lot, you guys. It's one of the most

28:38

acted ones, I feel like. Honestly, it was

28:40

one of the most entertaining ones I've seen.

28:42

Yeah, I will say that. Upon

28:46

seeming to make contact with the spirit, Darrin

28:48

and Nick ask the entity its name. The

28:51

plan shut that moves and spells

28:54

out Z-O-Z-O, repeatedly in

28:56

a rainbow-like pattern, several

28:59

times, a move which Darrin claims is

29:01

classic Z-O-Z behavior. They

29:04

also have an EVP device, which picks

29:06

up a disembodied voice saying, you're

29:08

cold, as well as some other

29:11

unintelligible speech. Then,

29:13

when Darrin and the crew members ask, what

29:15

did you try to do to me? The

29:18

boards spelled out K-I-L-L. The

29:22

plan shut then moved in a rapid circle and

29:24

Darrin said he felt lightheaded. Darrin

29:26

commanded Z-O-Z-O to leave and expressed desire

29:28

to close the session by pointing the

29:31

plan shut to goodbye. And

29:33

then they checked the house and there's no spiritual

29:36

movement afterwards or whatever. Oh,

29:39

I'll tell you what, I couldn't

29:41

find the whole episode, so

29:43

I kept watching clips of the episode,

29:45

so it was very disjointed, but

29:48

I got it. I got the gist of the whole thing.

29:52

There's a lot that I

29:55

didn't understand, namely, why are we doing, why?

30:00

That her locate. This.

30:02

Is where we're going to unleash.

30:04

A Demons Nice. This is extremely dangerous.

30:07

This same demon tried to kill deer

30:09

and kids tried to possess dared all

30:11

in this house and I just kept

30:13

thinking then why are we trying to

30:16

bring it back. The. Other the

30:18

wife is like she's walking down the stairs

30:20

and at a hidden camera gets and she

30:22

has a fucking hate this house so I

30:24

can probably see. Also gets kind of attacked

30:26

by the demons he walks out search coffin

30:29

in the middle of the sale ads. And

30:31

thirty so neck in there and knickers from the ghosts of

30:33

interest. Group Zach of course goes off on him at

30:35

one point is like worry. Tell me. To do with

30:37

knicks like you get down here do the ouija

30:40

boards acts like stuff with is what are you

30:42

do with stuff and with you because are bickering

30:44

clan like toddlers more into the why start coughing

30:46

while they are they it says the of the

30:48

our whatever and then a certain point zero zero

30:50

zero zero zero like back and forth and as

30:52

he starts coughing and she's like i've had a

30:54

girl and she's gone outside and then they're like

30:56

are you here with us and a simultaneously she

30:59

randomly walks of the stairs, she's got no shoes

31:01

on, her pants are under and and they're like

31:03

why are you here and she's like they taught

31:05

his home in a come up here as. He

31:07

starts acting role come blu b and then

31:09

says like his rule sexual he really wanted

31:12

me to come up here and there are

31:14

and zack's like the demons of the was

31:16

known for sexually assaulting people and then she

31:18

gets of the leaves again and they are

31:20

like whereas see and they dislike literally can't

31:23

buy nurses walked away sick they find at

31:25

a gas station. So

31:27

seen I saw. Shit. They

31:29

hadn't started to see a seance yet.

31:32

But. They're outside and she walks up

31:34

and she's all upset and. Zack's.

31:37

Like d one him says he's like

31:39

no a down. And. Are

31:41

like we didn't plan on interview in the wise

31:43

but. She. Walked up and them to

31:45

the whole hold it so he decided to

31:47

interview and then her in there and toss

31:50

in. then she's like. And Zach

31:52

suicide. After. An intense discussion she

31:54

decided it was okay and was like

31:56

and to second discuss issues that nasa

31:58

with atlas to do it. go to.

32:00

I'm like, wow, that you went from hell

32:02

no to okay, let's go do it real

32:05

quick. And I will say Zach

32:07

then tries, he's gonna go out to try to

32:09

find her. And he's like, I felt an emotional

32:11

heaviness that wouldn't let me leave the house. So

32:13

he's like sitting in this chair and then Nick

32:16

comes down the stairs and Zach

32:18

is dramatically staring into nothingness. And Nick's

32:20

like, dude, what's wrong with you? And

32:22

Zach's like, nothing, nothing is

32:24

wrong with me. And I'm like, all right, this

32:26

is it was like a little over the top. It

32:28

was a little over the top. And a little over the

32:30

top. Yeah, yeah. But then one of the crew

32:32

members also does the thing because he says Zozo,

32:35

they unleash it on a Ouija board and his

32:37

friend tried to cut his throat. So he

32:40

said that his friend had been possessed

32:42

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after Darren's incident, he created

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his blog titled the Zozo

34:59

Ouija phenomenon to gather the

35:01

stories of others who had encountered the

35:03

ancient demon. The site features

35:05

quotes from experts, including respected field

35:07

demonologist, John Zappus, who said, the

35:10

name has come up time and time again in

35:12

my investigations. Same

35:15

demonologists that helped Stephen Lachance screaming

35:17

house in the episode we just

35:20

did. I

35:22

wonder how one becomes a

35:24

respected field demonologist. Maybe

35:26

publishing on the topic, kind of like

35:28

in academia, if you have a peer-reviewed

35:30

journal article. That's true, yes.

35:32

I hope they're also reviewed by demons.

35:34

The demon reviewed. For accuracy.

35:40

In 2016, additional details of

35:42

Darren's initial contact with the demon

35:44

emerged when the self-proclaimed zo zoologist

35:47

co-authored the book, the Zozo phenomenon.

35:50

In it, Darren says that his first encounter with Zozo

35:52

actually took place in 1982 when he used a Ouija

35:54

board he found in his

35:57

then girlfriend's basement. The

36:00

nerfing about this particular Ouija board

36:02

was that mysteriously etched into the

36:04

back was the name Zozo.

36:07

Pick up some dirty Ouija board from a basement. You done

36:10

did that to yourself. This

36:12

is where it also start like the dates

36:14

don't match up and now you're like, okay,

36:17

but why now are you saying

36:20

that you really encountered him in 1982 when in 2009 you

36:22

said that

36:24

was the first time. So a lot of stuff starts

36:27

to come out that you

36:30

wonder why is just this now coming out and

36:33

the dates and timelines don't really

36:35

mesh. Yeah, you

36:37

start adding stuff to the story. The

36:42

same book includes other details of his

36:44

encounters with Zozo, including when the demon used

36:46

the board to spell out. See

36:48

you in hell. And

36:51

car wreck at night alone. With

36:54

car being spelled with a K. A

36:57

year later, one of Darren's friends who had

36:59

been at the summoning with Darren suffered a

37:01

car accident at night alone. Another

37:04

friend, Michael, used the board with Darren on a

37:06

different night. When Michael asked the demon

37:08

how he would die, the board spelled

37:10

out, murder. A

37:13

few months later, Michael collapsed in his

37:15

own driveway, the result of being

37:17

poisoned. His murder remains unsolved according

37:19

to the book. Don't

37:22

ask it how you're going to die. Never. I

37:24

would never want to know that. I think about that a lot. Like

37:27

if I was some... Yeah, I know. I

37:30

have a lot of issues. Like sometimes

37:32

I'm like... If someone was like, I can

37:34

tell you when you're going to die and how it would be, what I

37:36

want to know. I would not

37:38

want to know those things. That's

37:42

a good question. I don't know. I think I

37:44

might like to know. I would be

37:47

just counting down days if

37:49

I knew the day I was going to die. I

37:52

probably quote this too much, but Tim McGraw says

37:54

we should live like we're giants. But like, you

37:56

know, you should... Like when you say, if you

37:58

knew you had six months... to live, wouldn't you

38:00

live differently than if you knew you had 36 years

38:03

to live? No, that's a very good point. Yeah,

38:05

we all should live every day like we're dying.

38:09

I do just in a different way, not the fun

38:11

way. I have not

38:13

moved from the same spot on my couch for

38:15

like two weeks. I was eating

38:17

old soup out of a can the other day.

38:19

Paris was like, are you okay? You have been

38:21

wearing those sweatpants every day. I'm like, no. Did

38:23

you heat the soup up? I did, I did

38:25

heat up. You did or did not? No,

38:27

I did. I did old chicken

38:29

cheese, progressive soup, cheese is a lot of soup. Oh,

38:32

that's a good soup. I've had that. That

38:34

was a good one. I dipped tortilla chips in it, but

38:36

still was nice eating soup. My house like with

38:38

all the lights off, he's like, are you okay? I'm

38:40

like, I'm doing my work. I like work. I still,

38:42

you know, my laptop and everything, but I'm just like

38:45

huddled. I don't know how he got on this. I

38:48

see nothing wrong with that, honestly, on

38:51

a good day, pre COVID, that's me. So

38:55

I'm okay with it. I'm shrunk into a little

38:57

ball. Yeah,

38:59

I think if

39:02

I knew like, I think

39:04

it would just give me even more anxiety, which

39:06

I certainly don't need any of to know

39:08

like exactly when, but to

39:13

your point, I should be more appreciative

39:15

of the days that I have and

39:18

live like Tim says, live every day

39:20

like I'm dying and

39:22

not in the bad anxiety driven

39:24

way and the good like go out and

39:26

enjoy your life. I

39:30

don't think that's what he meant. No, no.

39:33

My question for Darren is

39:36

why do you keep inviting trouble,

39:38

dude? Well, and in this case, you're

39:40

not I guess, can you do Ouija

39:43

alone? I

39:45

was wondering if in these cases, some of

39:47

them they reference that he has another person,

39:49

but some of them it sounds like he's

39:51

doing it alone. And I think yeah, you

39:53

can get it and you're

39:56

more likely to get possessed or some shit if

39:58

you do. So because you

40:00

can't like fight it off, but he Has

40:03

friends participating. I mean in this these accounts

40:05

that he put in his book, you know

40:07

He's like me and this guy did it

40:10

on this day then a couple weeks later

40:12

me and this person So in that case

40:14

you're recklessly endangering the lives of others Oh,

40:16

no, I guess arguably Zoda Zozo didn't put

40:18

that man in a car wreck and did

40:20

not poison Michael Zozo was just like get

40:22

maybe he's nice. Maybe it was like a

40:24

heads up like you need to slow down

40:26

when you're driving Get

40:29

a nice rest. I think the impression

40:31

that they are saying Zozo was

40:33

responsible Oh not like future telling.

40:35

Okay. Well, I should know because some of the

40:37

other things I read From people

40:39

that claim that the same thing has happened to

40:42

them one lady said we

40:46

Conjured them and my three-year-old was

40:48

running around the house saying Zozo Zozo

40:50

First of all, why is the three-year-old

40:52

involved in your say? She

40:55

what if they weren't though and then they just started

40:57

saying it. Oh, that's even creepier but

40:59

she said the next morning they got in the

41:01

car to go get breakfast and they pulled

41:05

up to a stop sign in a car hit them

41:07

and so she Was

41:09

blaming it on Zozo. No, not

41:12

just negligent drivers Well

41:17

Darren's story is by all accounts terrifying

41:19

Skeptics are quick to point out the many

41:22

discrepancies within the tales For

41:24

example, while the first mention of the engraved board

41:26

did not come out until 2016 Seven

41:29

years after Darren shared his story on true

41:31

ghost tales The details of

41:33

the engraving seemed to change depending on the

41:35

interview Darren is giving When

41:37

Darren spoke with a New Jersey newspaper about

41:40

the discovery He claimed Zozo had been written

41:42

on the front of the board in the

41:44

place where one would traditionally find the word

41:46

Ouija Surely a bizarre

41:48

detail such as this would not be

41:51

misremembered Yeah, it's always

41:53

something like that versus saying oh it happened

41:55

in May or June I can't really remember

41:57

it was 1982, but something like like,

42:00

oh, it was written this way? Like, I think you

42:02

would remember. Yeah, I think you would. I

42:04

think it's more, maybe, which is more dramatic, though.

42:07

Having it randomly carved in the back, I feel

42:09

like on Ghost Adventures, he says it was carved

42:11

in the back. I think back is creepier.

42:14

Yeah. But also, if you're, if

42:18

you started off telling the story that it was

42:20

back, did you forget

42:22

that you said that and then you just changed

42:24

it to front? Or do you say,

42:28

well, I've been thinking about it and I really think

42:30

it was actually on the front. Yeah. Because

42:33

I think for credibility purposes, you

42:35

just stick with what you said in the beginning.

42:38

Or say, you know, I thought it was

42:40

carved in the back, but I maybe remember,

42:42

you know, address it. Bring it out, not

42:44

just slip one by everybody.

42:48

Darren also insists that Zozo's origin

42:50

began well before his encounter, claiming

42:53

he found dozens of stories online when

42:55

he initially began his search for others

42:57

with similar experiences. However,

42:59

Thrillist provides an interesting anecdote.

43:02

Prior to Evan's blog posts, there were

43:04

virtually no internet search results with that

43:06

name. It wasn't until after

43:09

Darren's story that others began to come

43:11

out of the woodwork with Zozo encounters of their

43:13

own. So you have to ask yourself,

43:15

is it simple correlation

43:17

that maybe he

43:19

sparked a memory or are

43:21

people making it up? Mm-hmm.

43:25

One does have to ask oneself that. While

43:28

Zozo's origin story is a bit

43:30

flimsy and perhaps introduced by Darren

43:33

himself, the hive mind of the

43:35

internet has given life to this demonic force. Much

43:37

like Slender Man, those that have decided

43:40

to believe in Zozo have essentially willed

43:42

him into the collective subconscious. Now,

43:44

when people hoping to contact the demon

43:46

hear an unexplained noise or feel a

43:48

vibration of the planchette, they are more

43:50

likely to believe that they have brought forth the

43:53

Hell Demon. True, or

43:55

has the demon been

43:57

reading the internet, like just all demons? And

44:00

they're like, if you really want to fuck with people, just

44:02

tell them that you're Zozo. Mmm.

44:05

He does seem to get around quite a bit. Well,

44:08

and they say that, you know, it's fear, you

44:10

know, if you are fearful of the spirit, it

44:12

feeds it or whatever. And so if in your

44:15

mind you're thinking, oh my god, what if it's

44:17

Zozo, I'm so scared, whatever thing you conjured could

44:19

possibly be like, I'm just gonna say I'm Zozo

44:21

because it's gonna fuck with this person more. That's

44:23

true. Yeah, it's also could

44:25

it be like Beast of Bray

44:27

Road or all those things we talked about where you're

44:30

on a dark scary road, you know, the urban

44:32

legend, you see something and your mind

44:34

wants it to be that so it

44:37

kind of connects that. If you're hoping

44:39

you contact Zozo and then stuff starts

44:41

happening, you're gonna think I did it.

44:45

The plane's really trying to say yo-yo

44:47

and you misunderstood it. Or

44:49

YOLO. Yeah. It's

44:51

just like, it's just a bro demon

44:54

that's like, you know what, you need

44:56

to YOLO bro. There's

44:59

a lot of things that could be saying and

45:01

as a demon, I would be frustrated. Yeah, if

45:03

I was trying to say one thing and they

45:05

just kept forcing Zozo on me.

45:07

You're like why and they push it to

45:09

Z. You're like, no back to Y-O-L-O. We

45:13

solved the mystery. The

45:15

concept of blind belief in an entity causing one

45:17

to think they have made contact with

45:19

the quote other side is not a

45:21

new one. In 1970, the Toronto Society

45:23

for Physical Research,

45:25

a group of scientists and psychologists who

45:28

study the psychic and paranormal, conducted

45:30

the Philip experiment wherein they

45:32

hope to have participants in the study

45:35

manifest a non-existent ghost. This is a

45:37

great trick. I know it's technically a

45:39

science experiment, but it is a huge,

45:41

this is such a great like,

45:43

you're pulling one over on these people. The

45:47

video is something. This, first of

45:49

all, the study went on for over

45:51

a year. And

45:54

it's a very well-known setting. Others have been done like

45:56

it too, but this was kind of the first of

45:58

its kind. In

46:00

the study, test subjects were asked

46:02

to conduct a seance in hopes

46:04

of contacting a spirit named Philip

46:06

Ilesford. While Philip was completely

46:08

made up by the scientists, the test

46:11

group fully believed in the entity, even

46:13

claiming to feel the table vibrate, hear

46:15

unexplained knocking sounds, and feel cold breezes in

46:17

the presence in the room with them. In

46:20

the end, the scientists concluded that the

46:22

human mind is capable of creating

46:24

spirits simply through imagination and

46:27

persuasion. Or did these people

46:29

unleash a demon? And they'd, you know, I

46:32

feel like a lot of times demons are trickery.

46:34

And if you're like, okay, we're going to contact

46:36

my grandma. Okay, grandma, is that you? It's going

46:38

to say yeah, because it's going to try to

46:40

trick you to let it into the world. I

46:44

don't think so in this case. The study

46:46

went on for a year. And for,

46:49

or maybe four a year, they

46:51

tried to contact. It's

46:54

a group of a bunch of old British people.

46:56

And they're sitting around. They're sitting around

46:58

this table. They're not even

47:00

using a Ouija board. They just have their hands

47:02

placed on this table like a sand. And

47:06

the scientists had given an entire backstory,

47:09

quite impressive, of this Philip guy. He

47:12

died in the Civil War. Actually, he

47:14

died by suicide because his mistress, something

47:17

had happened. There was

47:19

all this backstory. But

47:21

they weren't getting anywhere contacting him

47:24

because they had

47:26

all the lights on. And it was just like

47:28

a conference room they're sitting in. And

47:30

so then about a year in, they said,

47:32

you know what? We should try and

47:35

make this feel more actually seancey. So

47:38

they dimmed the lights. They put out

47:40

candles. They put up a picture of

47:42

a castle that they think Philip would

47:44

have lived in and

47:47

things that they thought Philip would

47:49

like. And

47:51

almost immediately, they started

47:53

seeing results. Ooh. They

48:00

unexplained kind of in the sense that like

48:03

they and it was all filmed that like

48:06

the leg the corner of a table lifts

48:08

at one point the table would like slide

48:10

across the carpeted floor even though it was

48:13

like carpet and stuff. What's

48:16

the explanation? The scientists say

48:18

that their collective subconscious

48:21

was making all of this happen and everything.

48:23

Like they were all pushing it with their

48:26

hands. Yeah, well, I'll

48:28

get to why how that could be right

48:30

now. There is

48:32

even a scientific explanation for the planchette

48:34

moving during Ouija sessions. While

48:37

it is possible the user made contact with someone

48:39

on the other side, the scientific

48:41

community attributes movements across the board

48:43

to the IDO motor effect. This

48:46

is when the muscles in the human

48:48

body make small subconscious movements, movements

48:50

that are so subtle that we don't even realize

48:52

that we are the ones making them, not an outside

48:54

force. Skeptics

48:57

apply the same explanation to crystal

48:59

pendulums and divination rods. And

49:01

shove in the table when you're trying to talk to Phyllis. Yeah,

49:04

so and I think that would

49:07

explain a lot of especially like slumber party

49:09

game Ouija board stuff of how things get moved.

49:11

Even if you're like, I'm not moving it. I'm

49:13

not moving it. You want

49:15

it to be moved and your body

49:17

is subconsciously moving something. The

49:20

same thing as much as I love my crystal pendulum. I

49:23

read this whole explanation of why it actually moves.

49:25

And I was like, that makes sense. That's

49:27

disappointing, but it makes sense. But we

49:30

made contact with the ghost of the adult with

49:32

the crystal pendulum. We think so.

49:34

The scientists would say that

49:36

because the weight of the pendulum

49:39

at the bottom is creating like

49:42

a balance, you feel at

49:44

the top that you're not moving at all.

49:46

And it even specifically says, if

49:48

you ask it to go a certain way,

49:50

rotate clockwise. When I say

49:52

something, even though you feel

49:54

you're not moving it, your body is subconsciously

49:56

moving and it will start to do it.

49:59

Yeah. So

50:02

I think in this this

50:04

study they concluded that the

50:08

the collective group was making all

50:10

of this happen because they wanted

50:12

it to happen. Sinister

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any good viral story, the belief in Zozo

51:54

the demon has been changed and updated depending

51:56

on who is telling it. According

51:59

to Stranger Things... dimensions, a blog dedicated

52:01

to the paranormal. A Ouija

52:03

user can be sure that Zozo is present

52:05

if one of the following happens. The

52:08

planchette draws figure 8s or z's on the board.

52:10

The planchette repetitively spells

52:13

out Z-O-Z-A, Z-O-Z-O,

52:16

or even M-A-M-A, moving in

52:18

a rapid left to right or right

52:21

to left fashion. A

52:23

conversation with one spirit is interrupted by

52:25

another entity, which becomes

52:27

increasingly antagonistic. The

52:29

entity claims to be a deceased loved one. Other

52:33

sources say Zozo makes his presence known by

52:35

knocking on walls and moving household

52:37

objects. Someone

52:39

on Reddit posted

52:41

that they thought that they had unleashed it

52:43

and one of the commenters said, well, everybody

52:45

knows that Zozo does da da da da.

52:48

So it's gotten to the point where it's

52:50

like, like you said, the collective subconscious of

52:52

everybody knows Zozo says that their mama or

52:54

they say it attacks. Someone

52:56

said, oh, my wife and I did

52:58

the Ouija board one night. Like, why

53:00

is that how you're spending your, okay, whatever. And

53:03

we think we unleashed Zozo. My wife's been

53:05

feeling really shitty and sick and having headaches

53:07

and someone's like, the commenter said, oh, well,

53:09

you know, Zozo always attacks the female or

53:12

is like more likely to attack females. He's

53:14

got a reputation. He does. He does. So

53:17

a conversation with

53:19

one spirit is interrupted by another

53:22

entity, which becomes increasingly antagonistic. I

53:24

think that's just because they were

53:26

interrupted. Yeah, it's really to stop there.

53:28

They're excited. They had something they want to say. And

53:31

then Zozo comes in with his

53:34

bullshit. Like a Kool-Aid man. The

53:37

blog also goes on to caution those brave enough

53:40

to ask questions of the Ouija from moving

53:42

the planchet backwards in the alphabet. Apparently,

53:44

moving backwards through the alphabet allows

53:46

demons and evil spirits to break

53:49

into our world by

53:51

spelling out ZOZO. Your

53:53

hands are forced to move back and forth on the

53:55

board, creating a possible door

53:57

through which evil spirits can travel.

54:00

Here's where I couldn't understand it. If

54:03

you're spelling don't you have to move back and forth?

54:07

Like if you're spelling anything like say you were selling

54:10

Saturday S you have to

54:12

go back the other way to go A back

54:14

over to go T you are back

54:17

over to go D A back over to

54:19

go Y you know like you're having to

54:21

if you're really spelling some I guess unless

54:23

maybe they're saying going back and forth

54:25

like Darren says he does

54:27

the rainbow yeah otherwise maybe it goes

54:30

up to S down to the bottom up to

54:32

a down to the bottom up to T down

54:34

to the you know what I mean uh-huh to

54:37

go yeah cuz when it does though though it's

54:40

the Z and the O are on the same level

54:43

aren't they I think

54:45

because the video I watched which

54:47

is in it's either

54:49

the Thrillist article or the bustle

54:52

article so it'll be linked in

54:54

the notes is supposedly

54:57

of a girl getting possessed by those

54:59

though while they're doing it it's

55:02

very silly yeah but

55:04

it looks like their hands are

55:06

just going like back and forth really fast

55:08

because yeah Z and the O are like

55:10

very close to each other so maybe that's

55:13

what it means more than like if you're

55:15

having to like go up and over and

55:17

down and stuff but I'm saying because this

55:19

cautions against going back and backwards in the

55:21

alphabet I'm guessing the way that you avoid

55:23

that is to go down between letter but

55:25

then Darren has it in Ghost Adventures and

55:27

it starts like rapidly moving into like a

55:29

circle and he's like I feel like I'm

55:32

gonna have a seizure I'm like something's opening

55:34

and so there must be some again

55:36

it's like construction equipment leave it to the

55:38

professionals don't be going in circles we don't

55:41

know what's gonna happen that's true there

55:45

are those that believe the Zozo phenomenon is

55:47

nothing more than a ripoff of the Zozo

55:49

symbol an ancient symbol representing the

55:51

house of Saturn this symbol

55:53

was well known for representing Jimmy Page

55:56

frontman for the legendary Led Zeppelin a

55:59

band some associate with Satanism. Coincidentally,

56:03

the font on the cover of Darren Evans' book,

56:05

The Sosa Phenomena, appears to

56:07

be the same one the band used on their album

56:09

covers. Darren is admittedly a

56:11

huge Zeppelin fan, and at one point even

56:13

had links to the band's site and

56:16

Jimmy Page's autobiography on his

56:18

own website. Is this all

56:20

just a coincidence, a subconscious shout

56:22

out to his favorite band, or

56:25

did Darren manifest an online ghost

56:27

story based on things he pulled from other

56:29

sources? This

56:31

is kind of weird. And

56:33

it's Z-O-S-O. Yeah. The thing

56:35

on Jimmy Page's logo. Yeah. And,

56:38

but if you look on their

56:42

album covers or CDs, the way the

56:44

font, the way it's filled out, is

56:46

the exact font they're used for the

56:48

Zozo phenomenon. And you can if

56:51

you're not looking at it right, you could

56:53

mistake the S for a Z. The

56:56

second, yeah. Yeah. And Darren was a

56:58

huge fan, mega

57:01

fan is even what he called himself. A

57:03

lot of people have always thought, even though

57:05

I think Led Zeppelin's one of the greatest fans

57:07

ever, they've been associated with demonology,

57:10

Satanism, stuff like that. Jimmy Page

57:12

never came out and said why

57:15

he was so attached to this symbol. But,

57:19

you know, a lot of people speculate it

57:21

was because of something, the dark art, something

57:23

like that. So it

57:25

does make you wonder, is this

57:28

all just like, something

57:30

he made up based on like something

57:32

cool he saw on his band CD?

57:35

I'm trying to be like

57:37

Jimmy Page. Yeah. Well, I mean, because it just

57:39

got started in 2009. And then it takes off. So, well,

57:48

regardless of what you believe, if you

57:50

decide to get extra spooky this Halloween

57:53

and dust off the whole Ouija board,

57:55

beware your fate. The planchette

57:57

suddenly spells out Z O. O-Z-O.

58:01

Ooh, ta-ta, ta-ta. So

58:06

what, what did we do? That

58:09

was a train. That was a train.

58:11

Chugga, chugga, chugga. By

58:14

the way, someone messaged us that they make white

58:16

noise machines and that the train

58:18

noises are like the sixth most

58:20

requested sound. A lot of

58:23

Patreons have said, I live by a

58:25

train track and it's very soothing, which

58:27

reminded me, growing up, there

58:29

was a train track not far from us.

58:31

And because it was in the distance, I

58:33

did find it very soothing. I had totally

58:35

forgot about this. And I would

58:37

often wonder at night, I wonder where that train's

58:39

going. Yes, maybe, what if I just ran out

58:41

in the night and jumped on the train, where

58:43

would it take me? But to

58:47

clarify, the noise on this app was

58:49

like, ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta. It sounded like it was

58:51

going down a track that was off

58:54

the rail. It was like the mini

58:56

mind train at the flag. Yeah, exactly.

58:58

It was not a very

59:00

soothing sound. There were no soothing

59:02

train horns or anything like that.

59:05

My dad did jump on trains as a kid. He

59:07

used to go from Detroit to Canada. And I'm like,

59:09

you just went to Canada? He's like, yeah, no one

59:11

checked. You just jumped on the train. How did he

59:13

get back? Another train? Jump on another train. How old

59:15

was he? Mike 12. Where

59:18

did his parents think he was? They didn't care. I

59:20

mean, they weren't. His dad was

59:22

not an attentive father. He would be gone for

59:24

days? Yeah, he said he would be gone for

59:27

like weekends. He had four little sisters.

59:29

So he was the oldest. So I think the mom

59:31

was like, yeah, whatever, you're fine. It was a sixties,

59:33

man. You're 12. You're probably

59:35

an adult. 21 back then. Yeah, they

59:37

do whatever you want. Yeah, so

59:40

old Zozo, man. I think that

59:44

people are summoning stuff in the Ouija board. I don't

59:46

know that it's the same entity

59:48

that's popping through. Mm. What

59:52

about Darren's story? Well,

59:57

he's, uh, if he doesn't

59:59

know, He does believe that this happened,

1:00:02

possibly he does. He's built a whole, I

1:00:04

mean again, it's like Steven La Chance, he's

1:00:06

built this empire, I won't

1:00:08

say empire, I mean, he's, I

1:00:10

don't think he's a millionaire. A following perhaps. But

1:00:12

yeah, he's built something around it as far as

1:00:14

selling books and having his website and being on

1:00:16

ghost adventures and TV shows and stuff. So

1:00:20

even if he didn't believe it,

1:00:22

he's like stuck in now. And

1:00:25

maybe the demon that visited him or

1:00:28

the entity or spirit or whatever really

1:00:30

was called that. And then when

1:00:32

he wrote about it, again,

1:00:35

it gets in the collective subconscious. And so if

1:00:38

a creepy entity is trying to freak you out,

1:00:40

it would take the form or at least just

1:00:42

take the name of something, like it would take

1:00:44

the name of your deceased loved

1:00:46

one so that you would talk to it.

1:00:49

Maybe it takes this Zozo name to spook

1:00:51

people, make them extra scared and get more

1:00:53

energy from them. Is

1:00:55

there also a possibility he's made the whole

1:00:57

thing up? For sure, I mean, you watch

1:01:00

him on ghost adventures and the acting is,

1:01:02

I've seen better acting on all my children

1:01:04

on daytime soap operas. It was very,

1:01:07

Zach Baggins too, it was very dramatic. The

1:01:09

best actor on the show, if he is

1:01:11

not actually acting is Nick, but-

1:01:14

Is he the one with

1:01:16

the beard? I think he's got short hair and like-

1:01:18

Because there's three of them. Yeah, he's

1:01:20

not, he doesn't have a beard. He has like short hair, but,

1:01:22

cause he was in a room and something like,

1:01:25

he seemed like he was genuinely scared, but

1:01:27

this guy and Darren and his wife,

1:01:30

I did not find their behavior

1:01:32

credible on the show. If

1:01:35

you were on a jury, you

1:01:37

would say, I'm sorry. Why

1:01:39

you gotta bring up, why you gotta bring up jury? You gotta

1:01:41

jury summons. You know, I'm sensitive.

1:01:44

That's why I was saying, yeah, you gotta-

1:01:46

Jury summons. No, I would say there, I

1:01:48

would not find their testimony credible. It was

1:01:50

so, it was very over the top and

1:01:53

at the beginning, they're

1:01:55

like, she's acting totally different now.

1:01:57

And she was, but I think-

1:02:00

the key word is acting. Yeah,

1:02:02

that's true. Also,

1:02:06

yeah, who knows what

1:02:08

conversations took place beforehand? Like,

1:02:10

when this happens, I

1:02:12

want you to start having a coughing fit

1:02:15

and then you go outside and I'm not

1:02:17

even saying with crew, but

1:02:19

perhaps between Darren and the wife

1:02:21

or you know, I mean, like with any

1:02:23

of these things and like we talked about

1:02:25

with Stephen LaChance too, it

1:02:28

at some point becomes like your identity

1:02:30

and your career and this is how

1:02:32

you make money. So like you said,

1:02:34

even if it was kind of a

1:02:36

joke at first, you're dug in now.

1:02:38

Yeah, it's bigger than you. Yeah, you

1:02:40

can't be like, just

1:02:43

kidding. I mean, you're

1:02:47

you can't do that. So yeah,

1:02:50

I think I think there

1:02:52

are times when people might summon something

1:02:55

on a Ouija board. I think there's a lot of times like

1:02:57

these videos of people summoning Zozo and

1:02:59

stuff on YouTube, where it's just for

1:03:02

fun. And is it a fun spooky

1:03:04

video? Sure, of course. But the

1:03:06

problem is, when you're it's all fun

1:03:08

and games, till you get a

1:03:10

real demon up in your house. You don't want

1:03:13

that. I will tell you we had an offer

1:03:15

a listener message and said they are aware of

1:03:18

a medium who will do seances over zoom

1:03:20

if you and I would like to do

1:03:22

that. And I'm like, Christy, just watch the

1:03:24

movie. Oh, this is how hosts start.

1:03:28

We're not fixing to host our

1:03:30

tale. Fuck no. No, God, I

1:03:32

think we're good. Thanks from

1:03:36

the offer. But no, thanks. Maybe if I

1:03:38

had not honestly, if I had not just

1:03:40

watched that movie, I would be

1:03:42

way more inclined to do it. But I

1:03:44

can't do it. I think like if you

1:03:47

go to a sale somewhere, that's one thing.

1:03:49

But being in your own house, then you

1:03:51

just you have your own house up. Yeah,

1:03:54

get where you eat, man. Dude, I

1:03:56

mean, ask the people on that zoom

1:03:58

call. No,

1:04:00

you don't. Yeah, I,

1:04:03

yeah, then you got to sleep in your own house, at least if

1:04:05

you go to like a haunted mansion to

1:04:07

do a sale, you get to leave and like, Oh,

1:04:09

that was fun. But now I'm back in the safety

1:04:11

of my own house. Yeah, if you do it in

1:04:13

your house, your house is no longer safe. Did

1:04:16

this to yourself. Well,

1:04:20

happy Halloween, you guys. Yes.

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Thank you for supporting the show and all

1:04:24

that spookiness. Yes. And

1:04:28

I guess this, I think will come

1:04:30

out actually on Halloween. So, oh,

1:04:32

you know what else? The

1:04:34

first time since the 1940s,

1:04:37

there's going to be a full moon on Halloween. You

1:04:39

know what? We're at my work today. We were

1:04:41

doing case staffing where you all come in with

1:04:44

your cases and we've all had the most bizarre

1:04:46

fact pattern cases situations. And we, I think it's

1:04:48

the full moon. I mean, I think there's something

1:04:50

else. Also Mercury's in retrograde. At least it was.

1:04:53

It might be out now, but yeah. There's something

1:04:55

in the air and the space and something. It

1:04:57

is a lot, but I'm going to bust out

1:04:59

the whole telescope on Halloween. Yes. I'm

1:05:01

going to charge all my crystals and get my moon water.

1:05:03

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1:05:06

Also put out a jug of water and let the

1:05:09

moon charge it. And then you drink it whenever you're

1:05:11

feeling like sluggish or kind of down. I love

1:05:13

it. And it's an immediate perk. Does

1:05:15

it have to be a clear jug? I

1:05:18

don't know. I've always used a clear jug.

1:05:21

Like just an Ozarka, like two

1:05:23

gallon? We have like a glass jug.

1:05:25

Oh nice. Let me do that. I just put

1:05:28

that out there. I'm going to do that. I'm

1:05:30

sure you could use, in fact,

1:05:32

on an episode of Married at First Sight, one

1:05:35

of the girls does it and she just puts

1:05:37

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1:05:39

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