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his life became public, a harrowing picture

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emerged of what his now deceased wife

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endured during her life. With the

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feds and local law enforcement supposedly on

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the case, will her estranged husband face

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legal consequences for his prior actions? This

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week's episode is Micah Miller, The Case

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So Far, Part 2. Up,

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bump in the night, your heart

0:48

fills with dread. Probably a

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murder of who wants you dead.

0:53

It could be a ghost, a

0:55

demon, or worse. Perhaps you're the

0:57

victim of a witch's curse. It's

1:00

hopeless, you're doomed, you'd call a

1:02

priest if you could. You'd rather

1:04

just listen to who? Sinister

1:08

who? Well,

1:17

much like the Murdoch case, which we're not the

1:19

only ones comparing this to that, we've had to

1:21

separate this into three parts. Which, again, with Murdoch,

1:24

we're like, it'll only be two. And then the

1:26

perpetrator starts doing wacky stuff in the media that's,

1:28

we're like, this has to have its whole own

1:30

episode. And I think that might have even been

1:32

a four-parter. I think, yeah, or we maybe did,

1:35

I think we did like two or three updates

1:37

on mini-sodes as well. But I remember initially we

1:39

were only going to do two and then the

1:41

whole stuff about Cousin Eddie all came out. It

1:43

like happened while we were covering it. So similar

1:46

to this case as it is unfolding,

1:48

well, Part 3 is going

1:50

to be more JP's rebuttal

1:52

because he's been yeping on

1:54

the TikTok. You know what

1:56

he loves? A live stream. And

2:00

he loves to get loose on the live

2:02

stream. And like

2:05

we said in the last episode, you're

2:07

just gonna hang yourself. But I mean, like, I

2:10

don't know if he has a, well, he does

2:13

have a lawyer. A lawyer? But his lawyer is

2:15

not telling him, shut the fuck

2:17

up and stop going live on TikTok all

2:19

the time. Or if he is, he's

2:22

just saying, I don't, I'm gonna

2:24

do whatever I want anyways. Yeah, right, it's like, please

2:26

stop talking and then your client does whatever they want.

2:30

If he does have a defense attorney, it's just like, just

2:33

crack another beer, like glug, glug, glug. Like, cause

2:35

I mean, you're like, what do I even do?

2:37

My client is buck wild. So, and

2:39

I think part three will be all

2:42

the crimes we think we've spotted in this.

2:44

But this is probably, this episode is the

2:46

biggest crime of all. And that is the

2:49

day that Micah died that kind of got

2:51

everybody on this case. Yeah,

2:53

so much like the last episode, all

2:56

of the content warnings, there's a lot

2:58

of discussion about suicide,

3:03

domestic violence, pretty

3:06

much everything. Sexual abuse, child sexual

3:08

abuse. Yes, so

3:11

he's, knows no bounds is

3:13

what we're noticing here. He

3:15

does not know. He's

3:19

a huge sack of shit, I'll tell you that. And

3:21

every time I hear him talk, I hate him a

3:23

little bit more, which every day I'm like,

3:25

didn't think I could hate you anymore. And

3:28

then he proves me wrong. Truly, I was on my

3:30

run yesterday, listening to Chapel Rhone and she's got a

3:32

song called My Kink is Karma. And she's like, I

3:34

think it's so hot when you crash your car, when

3:36

you ruin your life. And you go like, all of

3:38

this is gonna happen to you by your own hand

3:40

and your own car. You're gonna drive yourself crazy. You're

3:43

gonna break your own heart. And I was like, this

3:45

makes me think of J.V. Miller a little bit. Like

3:47

having just like done a bunch of research and worked on

3:49

the outline. I'm like, you know, you can't really leave work

3:52

behind. I'm like, I'm gonna relax and not think about this.

3:55

Constantly, I think we both do cases

3:57

like this, especially where there's an outstanding

3:59

need for. I think

4:01

we don't stop thinking about it. No,

4:03

this is one that definitely, I

4:07

already can tell is gonna be one that when

4:09

people ask us, what are

4:11

the cases that stick with you the

4:13

most? This is definitely up there because

4:15

it's just, man,

4:17

I watched so

4:20

many hours of unedited footage, security

4:23

footage of her last day, and

4:26

it is rough to see

4:28

the pain on her face.

4:32

We'll get to it, but

4:35

just in this day and age with technology, we're

4:37

kind of afforded this glimpse

4:40

into this voyeuristic glimpse into

4:42

people's lives that otherwise we

4:45

wouldn't. No

4:47

one knows at the time, perhaps,

4:50

that this is gonna be their last day, but then

4:52

in hindsight, when you go back looking at it just

4:55

to see the pain and

4:57

a lot of questions

5:00

come up and it's like, well, are

5:02

we putting suspicion on these people because

5:04

of the circumstances? Are they just innocent

5:06

bystanders? It just becomes a whole

5:10

web sleuth where everyone gets involved.

5:12

And this case has also reminded

5:14

me a lot of Gabby

5:16

Petito, which interestingly enough, when I was

5:18

reading a bunch of stuff last night,

5:21

like other articles that

5:23

suggest within that article was about her,

5:25

and I'm like, well, yeah, there are

5:27

a lot of parallels here with abuse

5:32

and then denial of

5:35

what happened. So

5:38

that one sticks with me, this one sticks with me,

5:41

and just kind

5:43

of like piecing together people's last

5:45

days is always something that's a

5:47

really hard thing to stomach.

5:51

Oh, certainly. And the banality of it, of

5:53

getting gas, getting a drink and stuff, which

5:55

we'll get into, but it makes me

5:58

think of Peggy Klinky's case. and

6:00

we talked about it last time, and the

6:02

parallels are gut wrenching that

6:04

it is still going on this

6:06

many years later, but we

6:09

hope we can move the

6:11

needle a little bit to get everybody listening. If

6:13

there's a petition to sign something in your own

6:15

town, we'll give you some calls to action at

6:18

the end, but until then, we're gonna get you

6:20

set up with all the facts of this final

6:22

day. Yeah, absolutely.

6:26

Well, I'm Christy. I'm Heather. And

6:28

let's get into it. Pastor

6:31

John Paul Miller was served with divorce papers

6:33

on April 25th, 2024. That

6:37

same week, according to her sister, Micah

6:39

made a report to the IRS

6:41

about JP and the church's financial

6:43

dealings. Micah had previously

6:45

told at least one coworker at the

6:48

restaurant where she worked that she was

6:50

confused why the church went through multiple

6:52

accountants in a short time span of

6:54

only two years. On

6:57

Friday, April 26th, Micah paid $232 in

6:59

taxes on

7:02

her 2019 Silver Honda Accord

7:04

with license plate WUP 747.

7:09

The taxes had been due in December, but

7:11

Micah was behind according to texts that she

7:13

had sent. That same day,

7:16

Micah worked her shift as a server

7:18

at J. Peter's restaurant. She

7:20

was scheduled to return the next

7:22

day, Saturday, April 27th, to work

7:24

from noon until business slowed down.

7:27

Micah also made plans to see her friends at

7:29

her new church on Sunday, April 28th. She

7:32

would never make it to her shift or

7:34

the service. I think

7:36

the future plans is something that her family continues

7:39

to point at, not just, I'm gonna meet you

7:41

for lunch after church, I'm gonna see you at

7:43

church, I'll see you at work. She had a

7:45

haircut scheduled the next week. She went and paid

7:47

the taxes from before and was like, I cannot,

7:49

she had texted Charlotte this long thing that was

7:51

like, I cannot wait to get a fresh start.

7:53

This is finally my time. She

7:56

had told her dad, think I need to get

7:58

a gun for protection. the

8:00

day of fills up her car with gas,

8:03

like, why would you do those things if

8:05

you knew that you were about to end

8:08

your life? All of these things of looking

8:10

towards the future. And many

8:13

of her friends pointed out because she was,

8:15

as they said, quote, such a

8:18

godly woman. Like, she just wouldn't

8:20

do that. She was against what,

8:22

you know, her religion believed in.

8:24

So no one in her

8:27

life, apart from JP and

8:29

his asshole father Wayne has

8:32

ever said, we think that

8:34

she was suicidal. Yeah, she talked about in

8:36

a, when on stage, I believe it's in

8:38

Africa, you know, that she had had a

8:40

suicide attempt in the past. And because of

8:42

that, she's like, I will always fall back

8:44

on God. I'll, you know, of

8:47

course we can't know the intimate details of someone's

8:49

inner workings, but when you look at the evidence

8:51

around, I think as a law enforcement professional, if

8:53

I showed up, I would say like, oh, let

8:56

me talk to some friends and family before just

8:58

going, well, definitely it was this. Yeah,

9:00

for sure. I've seen that

9:02

clip too of her talking in Kenya

9:04

and again, it involves a

9:07

gun. And she said that the bullet

9:09

got stuck in the chamber and, you

9:11

know, she was afforded a

9:13

second chance. She

9:15

says that, so I'm gonna take

9:18

it at her word, knowing

9:20

how much we know about the

9:23

emotional and psychological abuse that she

9:25

has gone through

9:27

with JP. I

9:30

do question how much of that story

9:32

might be hers. Yeah, and

9:34

or why was the gun to her head?

9:37

Yeah, yeah. And,

9:41

you know, we've given a lot of content warnings. So

9:43

I think that this would fall

9:45

under that, but it's, I

9:47

mean, just statistics and studies

9:49

show that that's typically not

9:51

how women choose

9:53

to end their life. So the

9:55

fact that she would do it

9:58

twice, especially. if the

10:00

first time she

10:02

knew how it worked out to go back to

10:04

that well for the second time

10:07

seems a little odd to me.

10:09

Yes, and especially given the correspondence

10:12

she had with friends, family, and then her

10:14

diaries, which her attorney has in her possession.

10:16

Yeah. On

10:19

April 27th, ring doorbell footage shows Micah

10:21

leaving the residence she shared with her

10:24

friend on Margarita Drive in Myrtle Beach

10:26

at 10.13 a.m. Nearly

10:29

45 minutes later at 11 a.m., footage

10:32

captures Micah returning. 38

10:35

minutes later, Micah leaves the apartment again,

10:37

having appeared to have changed clothes for

10:39

her work shift at Jay Peters. Micah

10:42

can be seen wearing a long sleeve

10:44

tee under her Jay Peters uniform. Co-workers

10:47

stated she did this often to

10:49

hide bruises on her arms. On

10:52

the ring footage, Micah is holding her

10:54

cell phone, which can be heard playing

10:57

Necessary Endings, a sermon by

10:59

Dr. Henry Cloud about leaving toxic

11:01

relationships. And the first time

11:03

she leaves and comes back, she has like a food

11:05

bag and like a iced coffee looking thing in her

11:07

hand. She's got like a sweatshirt on that says like,

11:09

aloha and her hair's in a ponytail. So it's, you

11:12

know, you're out running your morning errands before

11:14

you have to work at noon. Like, oh,

11:16

I'm gonna get coffee and breakfast, come back.

11:18

And then as she's leaving the sermons like,

11:20

here's the birds chirping, like turn towards a

11:23

new day. It's such a hopeful like leave

11:25

the past behind kind of a sermon to

11:27

be, you know, listening to, again,

11:29

if that's the plan and dressed in your work

11:31

clothes. And she had braided her hair, it went

11:33

from a ponytail to a braid, which as a server, you wanna keep

11:35

your hair out of your face. So it's

11:37

all the markers of I'm going to work. Yeah,

11:39

I'm headed to work. And her

11:41

family and friends pointed also to

11:44

the sermon being another reason, like

11:46

she was looking forward to the future.

11:49

The sermon is all about like

11:51

leaving toxic relationships behind, turning over

11:53

a new leaf, which

11:55

are all indications. And we knew she

11:57

had filed for divorce. former

14:00

church member, I mean, she's a young woman.

14:02

Like all of these things that like

14:05

aren't typical for women her age, you

14:07

know? She's just not, because of all

14:09

the things she's endured, she's at a

14:12

different point in her life, which

14:14

is okay that everyone walks her

14:16

own path, but hers was forced upon

14:18

her and was full of violence. Yeah,

14:21

and it's a good point. It was her entire

14:23

adult life. I mean, age 14 to when she

14:25

died was stolen from her by a controlling person

14:27

and couldn't have her dog with

14:29

her. At that apartment, you choose to leave.

14:31

Well, part of leaving is like, you can't

14:33

take that pet with you. So

14:36

it's, you're right that the

14:38

exhaustion on, and she's only 30, but

14:40

she sort of walks with this mature resolve

14:42

that it's like, you should just be able

14:44

to be like, I'm 30, I just turned

14:47

30, whatever. But instead it's like, we'll have

14:49

to go work this job because my multimillionaire

14:51

husband cut me off financially and made me

14:53

coerce me into signing these agreements that signed

14:55

away my rights. Yeah. Sinisterhood

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16:45

footage shows Micah entered Dick's pawn shop at 1852

16:47

Mr. Joe White Avenue in Myrtle

16:51

Beach at 12.12 PM. While

16:55

there, she can be clearly seen purchasing a

16:57

handgun. At 12.34, Micah

16:59

can be seen leaving the pawn shop.

17:02

The black Honda Accord Micah had borrowed

17:04

from her roommate can be seen pulling

17:06

into 41 grocery and grill

17:08

on Highway 41 in Mullins at 1.06

17:11

PM. After

17:13

purchasing gas and a drink, Micah is seen leaving

17:16

in the car at 1.35 PM. At

17:20

2.54, Micah makes a call to

17:22

911, seemingly unaware of

17:25

her location, but clearly in

17:27

distress. This is kind of where

17:29

it takes a turn. If she's supposed to be at work at 12, she

17:31

hits the pawn shop by 12.12, there's a ton of

17:35

footage. There's the parking lot footage. There's

17:37

the entryway. There's one register she's at, another register she's

17:39

at. It's mostly just people like, you know, you see

17:41

a family come in and pawn like an item, a

17:43

dad with a kid, a lady with a TV. There's

17:46

two guys people were pointing at. They

17:48

look like they're just browsing. I would

17:50

say one of them is lingering near

17:52

her more. And I would say just is that

17:55

one of the PIs JP admitted to hiring? True.

17:57

Who knows? Yeah.

18:00

There's speculation about a

18:03

couple of times in the different

18:05

security footage captured at the gas

18:08

station, at the pawn shop, of

18:11

a truck. There is a black

18:13

truck that can be seen in

18:15

both of those. Whether it's the same truck,

18:17

it's impossible for me to tell. But it

18:20

did stick out to me. And

18:22

there are people, of course, online, like the

18:25

people lingering around there, the people that ended

18:27

up doing it and stuff. And then there's

18:29

the other camp that's like, they

18:32

could have just been shopping. So let's

18:35

not jump to conclusions and drag these

18:37

people whose faces are very visible. And

18:39

you know, I mean, yeah, it's easy

18:41

to find people nowadays. But

18:43

at the same time, as

18:46

investigators, I think you got to

18:48

investigate everything. And if that just

18:50

means calling somebody in and questioning

18:52

them and getting like, oh, OK,

18:54

cool, we can clear you, then there's

18:57

no harm in that. I'd rather be safe than sorry.

18:59

Well, and the one guy who's driving a van and

19:01

people are like, he's driving a van. Well, when he

19:03

gets out and walks in, he's got paint all over

19:06

his pants. So to me, I'd be like, just because

19:08

he has a van doesn't mean he's evil. He got

19:10

out, he has paint on him. There's another gentleman that

19:12

pulls up. And people were like, well, he goes in

19:14

one area and sort of waits for her. But again,

19:16

it could just be a weird browsing pattern. Or that's

19:19

what the FBI is involved for, is you can

19:22

see what type of vehicle that man drives. You

19:24

see what he looks like. Very clear picture of

19:26

his face. They'll find him in about two seconds

19:28

as we discovered on True Crime Headlines. They can

19:30

run your face rightly or wrongly through software

19:33

that'll find you versus your driver's license

19:35

photo or whatever. So I'm sure

19:38

they'll get talked to pretty quick. Yeah. The

19:41

Honda Accord she's driving is

19:43

also, at one point

19:46

on the highway, it was photographed

19:48

as well by cameras. Now, what's

19:50

really interesting, and we'll post

19:52

it in the show notes because Grizzly

19:55

True Crime on YouTube did

19:57

the Lord's

19:59

work. by like putting together all

20:01

of the unedited raw footage

20:04

and showing also Google

20:06

Maps and really like, you

20:09

know, clicking down to where like you can

20:11

see the surrounding areas and stuff around it.

20:14

But when you look at the map

20:17

of where she left her apartment and

20:20

then if she was going to keep going

20:22

to Jay Peters, the pawn shop is on

20:24

the way. So it makes sense

20:26

she would could stop off there and then keep

20:28

heading to work. But when

20:30

she leaves the pawn shop, she

20:33

doesn't keep going east. Yeah.

20:36

To where her job would

20:38

be. She starts going north.

20:42

Tour, you know, very, very far out of

20:44

the way. And this is where.

20:48

I have some theories, but I'm this

20:50

is where I think a lot of questions are

20:53

going to come up if when there's a trial

20:55

and stuff of just like, well, how did she

20:58

who did how could someone have forced her

21:00

to start driving a different direction? Yeah. Or

21:02

what would have lured her to drive that

21:04

direct? Yeah. To cause her to go that

21:06

way. No, I think you're right. And especially

21:08

given that she's wearing the long sleeve tee

21:10

with the Jay Peters shirt in the ring

21:12

footage and we see her hands and there's

21:14

no bruises or anything on her hands. And

21:16

then we see at the Dick's pawn shop,

21:18

there's no bruises on her hands. We'll

21:21

hear why that's relevant here in a minute. Also

21:23

with her hands in the pawn shop, people are

21:26

saying, I don't even think that's her. If you

21:29

zoom in, you can't see the cross tattoo she

21:31

has on her hand. To

21:33

that, I would say that footage is so

21:35

grainy. Sometimes it doesn't pick stuff up. And

21:38

I was watching this whole like technology

21:40

breakdown of it of how, like, sometimes

21:43

when the resolution isn't high enough, like stuff

21:45

like that just doesn't get picked up. Also,

21:48

sometimes depending on your job,

21:50

you have to cover up tattoos. True. So,

21:52

you know, if you put makeup. Yeah,

21:54

if she's like a server and they don't want

21:56

hand tattoos, she she might have to cover it

21:58

up. That's just speculative. but I

22:01

think it

22:03

would be ridiculous to say that

22:05

the person in the pawn shop footage is not

22:08

her. I would agree because it's not like she

22:10

went to McDonald's and got a happy meal. She

22:12

went to buy a gun. There was a background,

22:14

20 minutes of that is her filling out papers,

22:16

sign in papers. They check her ID, they check

22:19

her credit card when she pays or debit card

22:21

when she pays. So to me, it's ridiculous to

22:23

go, well, that's not her at the pawn shop

22:25

because there's like six workers that all like talked

22:27

to her, interacted with her, took her ID. And

22:29

I believe that it was, she had filled out

22:31

something before because it takes, I

22:33

don't know, but I don't know, the paperwork

22:35

takes longer, but where she already had

22:37

a concealed carry, again, which they would

22:39

check and you would check against the physical person in

22:41

the store. Yeah. People pointed out

22:44

that it did appear she had been to

22:46

this pawn shop before because when she walks

22:48

in, she walks straight to the counter and

22:50

the guns are kept behind the counter.

22:53

So it seems like she may have

22:55

already decided what she wanted. A

22:57

lot of people are asking too, if

23:00

she had been committed to a

23:02

mental institution, why was she

23:04

allowed to get a handgun? And

23:07

from my understanding, it is

23:09

up to the institution to

23:11

report that to the police

23:13

for records. And I guess

23:17

they just didn't. Or if

23:19

she was only on a 48 hour hold, you

23:21

can get picked up for anything. Somebody could call

23:23

and go, Heather's crazy, go pick her up. And

23:25

I could get picked up, I get evaluated for

23:27

48 hours and they go, you have your regular

23:29

issues, but there's nothing here that makes you a

23:31

danger to yourself or others. It

23:33

is especially a state like South Carolina,

23:35

which leans more conservative, pro second amendment.

23:38

I imagine it is, you're

23:40

not immediately going to make that phone call. Well, she got, we

23:43

had her on a 48 hour hold, especially if the

23:45

48 hour hold, they let her go. It's not like

23:47

they kept her for six weeks

23:49

because she was so ill. It's just

23:51

she was involuntarily committed because her husband

23:53

ambushed her in a Walmart parking lot

23:56

and stole her car right after. So

23:58

perhaps the hospital's like, she's fine. She's

24:00

treated, she's taking her medicine. This is not

24:02

a reportable thing. Yeah, and

24:06

her sister said that they later found

24:08

out one of the nurses there told

24:10

her like, I'm sorry, this

24:12

wasn't necessary, we just did it because

24:15

he said that we needed to. So

24:17

if you know that, that might be

24:19

another reason. And he might also

24:21

be like, I think she's

24:24

being abused and that's why she was

24:26

committed and we see physical evidence of

24:28

that. And so, you know, it's

24:32

a dichotomy because we do

24:34

want regulations for guns

24:36

to be in place for things like

24:38

this. At

24:41

the same time, we don't

24:43

want that being used against someone who's trying

24:45

to seek protection for themselves

24:47

against their abuser. So it is

24:49

a very like sticky situation.

24:52

Yeah, it's a fine line to walk for real because

24:54

you don't want somebody who is a danger to themselves

24:56

or others to have access to a weapon, but you

24:58

also don't want an abused woman who needs access to

25:00

a weapon for protection and have her mental health weaponized

25:02

against her not be able to get that for real.

25:04

Absolutely. And then, and you're right, I think that her

25:06

going to the gas station, people said, oh, it's weird.

25:08

She went in to get a drink and then came

25:10

out and then she got gas and then I'm like,

25:12

we go to truck stops all the time. If you

25:15

watched our behavior and how we walk around, you know

25:17

what I mean? Like what

25:19

we do makes sense to us. What she did made sense

25:21

to her. It didn't strike me as she was looking over

25:23

her shoulder, she was being followed. Like

25:25

a car like whips in and pulls in and waits

25:28

and then whips off and another truck kind of whips in

25:30

and then comes back around. But again, it's like, if you

25:33

look at the roads around there, they're kind of like one

25:35

way farm to market roads in every direction. People

25:37

are hauling ass down those roads too. Real

25:39

fast. And it's a very busy gas

25:42

station. There's a lot of hustle

25:44

and bustle going on and stuff. It's

25:46

in like a very rural

25:48

area. There's a guy with a tractor

25:50

and stuff. So I mean, I was

25:52

watching it with a discerning eye and

25:56

there is another black truck that appears and there is

25:58

also a black truck in some of the. the other

26:01

videos too. She

26:03

parks kind of like around the side

26:05

at first, and then that

26:08

grizzly true crime doing the Google Maps,

26:10

you can tell that on the other

26:12

side where the footage that has

26:14

been released to the public, you don't really see,

26:16

there's a porter potty there. So

26:19

people think she parked there, went in,

26:22

got a drink, got something, and then went to

26:25

the bathroom, and then pulled through to get gas.

26:27

And again, if you know that you're about to

26:29

go kill yourself, why are you going to stop

26:31

and get gas? Yeah, it's not a time to

26:33

spill up. Unless you needed gas to get to

26:36

where you're going. I mean,

26:38

that is true too. And

26:40

it was also her roommate's car, so

26:42

maybe she was helping her out.

26:45

I'm just playing devil's advocate again

26:47

a bit, but it's all

26:49

pretty sus. No, and I would

26:51

like to see police pull all cell phone pings

26:53

from the pawn shop and all cell phone pings

26:56

from the gas station and go, well, Mike's phone

26:58

was at both places. Was anyone else's phone at

27:00

both places? Because then you don't have to speculate,

27:02

well, whose truck was that? It's like, oh, well,

27:04

this cell phone. And that's the thing, I wonder

27:07

if anybody involved, not her. I

27:09

mean, if there was a, I don't

27:12

know, a strange spouse, perhaps, that was trying to

27:14

do this, hiring a PI or following themselves. It's

27:16

like, do you not realize, even if you have

27:19

a burner phone, they'll just figure out, hey, this

27:21

burner phone tracked the exact same distance. There's no

27:23

way for us to be completely untraceable. So I

27:25

imagine the FBI is probably already looking at all

27:27

that. I hope so. When

27:30

the 911 operator answers the call and

27:33

asks for the address of the emergency,

27:36

there is a long pause before

27:38

Micah eventually replies. Sorry,

27:40

are you able to trace the location of my phone? During

27:44

this pause, what appears to be a male voice

27:47

can be heard in the background. Digital

27:49

enhancements of the audio have produced

27:51

mixed results. Some believe

27:54

the unknown male says, eyes forward,

27:57

just before Micah answers the dispatcher.

28:00

Others that have listened believe the male

28:02

voice is on the dispatcher's end, possibly

28:04

a male co-worker saying something about My

28:07

folder. Still, others

28:09

claim they hear the voice say her

28:11

name. Micah Miller. It

28:15

does sound like there is a male voice.

28:17

I've listened to this so many times. I

28:19

originally thought it said, Eyes

28:22

forward. I

28:24

do think also because it is

28:26

quiet and at this point, she's

28:29

at a park and there's no sounds of

28:31

birds or people. I think she's in a

28:33

car at this point. Yeah, I was confused

28:35

of why every interview you hear from people

28:37

from that area. It's just tweet, tweet, tweet,

28:39

tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet. There's so many birds

28:41

and cocks. And it sounds like

28:43

you're at a state park versus the call

28:45

is like, she's in a phone booth or

28:47

a car or something. Yeah. And you're right,

28:50

my folder, I wish that and

28:52

perhaps it exists and it hasn't been released to

28:54

the public. There's two, like when you and I

28:56

record the show on Zencaster, there's a Christie track

28:59

and a Heather track. I wish that we could

29:01

say this is the caller track and the dispatcher

29:03

track and then say, okay, well, the my folder

29:05

or Micah Miller or whatever came through on the

29:07

dispatcher side versus her side. That's just something we

29:10

don't have right now. So it's all just audio,

29:13

pareidioia, pareidioia. How do you say it?

29:16

Audio. I say

29:18

pareidioia, pareidioia, pareidioia.

29:21

I say it in the Full Moon Energy

29:23

Show about 16 times. And

29:25

somehow right now I can't say it correctly, pareidioia.

29:27

But it's where your brain kind of tries to make

29:30

sense of it and you just hear that. It's

29:33

like if somebody's telling you, make

29:35

this call, I got a gun to your head. That's something you

29:37

would say. Yeah, yeah, it did.

29:39

The eyes forward did make sense to

29:42

me. Attempting

29:44

to locate Micah, the operator asks

29:46

her. Let me see.

29:49

You don't know where you are. After

29:52

another pause, Micah answers. A

29:54

national park. The

29:57

operator then asks what number Micah is

29:59

calling from. which Micah provides. When

30:02

the dispatcher asks Micah, where's

30:04

the park located at? Micah

30:07

sounds unsure, answering. In

30:11

Fairbluff? As

30:13

the dispatcher continues to search for Micah's

30:15

location, Micah tells her. I have my

30:18

location on, I think, on my phone.

30:21

After another long pause, Micah

30:23

continues. And my phone is

30:25

on, I just did share my location. Before

30:28

she says Fairbluff, I also heard

30:30

what sounds like someone saying Fairbluff

30:33

very quietly in the background. Some

30:35

people who have analyzed it, a former 911

30:37

dispatcher said, that could be a colleague sitting

30:40

next to the other

30:42

dispatcher going, oh look, they're in Fairbluff. Just

30:44

kind of like, oh, it's Fairbluff. Alternatively, if

30:46

she was brought to a place she was

30:48

unfamiliar with and was being forced to make

30:50

a call and didn't know where the fuck

30:52

she's at on speakerphone, because

30:55

she echoes once or twice, which to me

30:57

indicates she was on speakerphone, which why, unless

30:59

other people were listening. I did notice an

31:01

echo, but it didn't occur to me that

31:03

she could have been on speakerphone. My phone

31:05

does that when I'm on speakerphone, it'll echo

31:07

back to somebody, or somebody's talking to you.

31:09

Sometimes there's like a little malfunction and iPhones

31:11

will echo back. So if you're on

31:13

speakerphone, it's like, where are you? And she's like, and

31:17

someone's like Fairbluff. And then she goes,

31:19

in Fairbluff? Yeah, yeah.

31:22

Another thing that's kind of odd

31:24

is her Google history on

31:28

her phone from that day does show that

31:30

she Googled twice national parks

31:32

near me. I want so

31:35

much more information from her phone than

31:37

the Robeson County Sheriff released. All they

31:39

released is a single screenshot that she

31:42

searched those two things. My

31:44

thing is out of nowhere, you wake up in

31:46

the morning and you start searching that. That's

31:49

the only thing you searched? I doubt it.

31:51

What else did she search? What else did

31:53

she type? I want like a forensic accounting

31:55

of the phone, which I'm sure the FBI

31:57

is getting right now, especially her family has

31:59

it. Her family. is going to get it

32:01

after the law enforcement's done. So maybe they

32:03

can do their own independent analysis on it.

32:05

But it seems strange that they're like,

32:07

that's all she searched. Like

32:10

really? Yeah. That's it? National park or me? Lumber

32:12

River is not a national park. It's a state

32:14

park. So. Oh

32:16

yeah. That's true too. Also that doesn't make sense to

32:18

me. Yeah. I

32:21

mean, I don't know that I would split

32:23

hairs about that as much as I, I

32:26

hadn't heard that that was the only thing she

32:28

had searched. I had just heard she did search

32:31

that. If that is the only thing, yeah,

32:33

that's super sus. I

32:35

also think people

32:38

can take people's phones and do stuff with

32:40

them. Or have access on a different device

32:42

logged in. But as you say, it's not,

32:44

I don't think it was the only thing

32:46

she searched. It is the only thing Robinson

32:48

County has revealed that she searched. Ah, okay.

32:51

Which I like because it fits their narrative.

32:53

Yes, yes. They are definitely pushing the narrative

32:55

that this was a suicide. The

32:58

dispatcher informs Micah that it doesn't appear that

33:01

she is in Robeson County and asks

33:03

her, are you at the Lumber River

33:05

State Park? Quicker

33:07

than her previous replies, Micah answers. Yes,

33:09

that's where I am. It's

33:12

at this point in the call, the

33:14

dispatcher finally says to Micah. Okay,

33:16

tell me what's happened. A

33:20

somber sounding Micah replies. I'm

33:23

about to kill myself and I just want my family to

33:25

know where to find me. The

33:28

dispatcher's tone appears to soften as she says. Okay,

33:31

ma'am, just listen to what I'm saying, okay?

33:34

Let me make sure I got the exact location where

33:36

you're at, okay? Just one minute. So

33:39

there's been a lot of criticism about

33:41

this dispatcher online because people are like,

33:43

why did it take so long for

33:45

her to ask what was going on?

33:47

Why didn't she ask that right at

33:49

the top? Why didn't she do

33:52

more intervention when she said I'm about to go

33:54

kill myself? And to

33:57

that I would say until you walk a

33:59

mile. dispatch your shoes. I can't answer that.

34:02

I you can hear them doing stuff

34:05

and knowing what they're

34:07

trained on. I think she is dispatching

34:09

police to her area. She's just trying

34:11

to figure out exactly where

34:14

she is. Now,

34:16

I will say what she said. I'm

34:18

about to kill myself. I. Feel

34:23

like there maybe should have been something

34:26

to address that said, you know.

34:29

But unfortunately, the call ins

34:31

before. Much can be

34:33

said in the dispatcher does try to call her

34:35

back. Several times and there's

34:38

no answer. Yeah, when she I mean initially when she

34:40

calls it kind of sounds like it could be a

34:42

person just lost in a state park. Yeah. You know,

34:44

she's like, can you tell me where I'm at? And

34:46

it's like, oh, you must be lost. Where are you?

34:49

So I don't falter for saying, OK, well, what's the problem? Because

34:51

at first she just says, can you can you track me? I

34:53

want to know where I am. But

34:56

when she does say I'm about to go

34:59

kill myself, I just took the dispatchers tone

35:01

as saying, OK, well, just just listen real

35:03

quick. Let me just make sure because I don't

35:05

know about any training. I'm sure we have dispatchers

35:08

that listen to the show. I would love y'all's input

35:10

if you want to email us. But I wonder what

35:12

your training says other than try to delay them hanging

35:14

up. You know, I don't know what training of OK,

35:16

well, you have to talk them off the the proverbial

35:19

ledge. I don't know if that's frowned upon. You're supposed

35:21

to do it. You're not. I don't know. But she

35:23

does to me sounded like she was like, oh, well,

35:25

I'm going to try to drag this out a little

35:27

bit more. I'm going to try to keep her on

35:29

the line with me. Well, ma'am, I don't really know

35:32

where you are. So if you really want me to

35:34

know, like stay on the line, perhaps thinking if I

35:36

can keep her on the line, you know, officers can

35:38

get to her. But being as far out as she

35:40

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35:42

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Take a moment, visit betterhelp.com. The 911

38:00

call that was initially made public soon ends after

38:02

the dispatcher's request, with

38:16

Micah never replying. However, Micah's

38:19

father, Michael Francis, told Law &

38:21

Crime Network that he heard the

38:23

full, unedited version of the call.

38:26

According to Michael, the call did not end at

38:28

that point. Rather screaming and

38:30

what sounds like an altercation can be

38:32

heard, as well as what again

38:34

sounds like a man's voice. Some

38:37

have also speculated that the entire 911 call

38:39

was fabricated using AI. I

38:43

listened to the part that Michael

38:45

Francis referenced and the

38:48

argument is that it sounds like someone

38:50

says, grab her arm, get

38:52

set, and there is a scream.

38:56

He says a commotion and I would agree

38:58

with that and he just says it sounds like a

39:00

fight, which I would agree with as well. It

39:03

was hard for me to really hear it. It

39:05

was very distorted

39:07

sounding to me, so it was kind of hard

39:10

for me to make out what

39:12

exactly was going

39:14

on. If there

39:16

is someone saying grab her, that

39:19

would imply there's at least three

39:21

people there now, Micah and two

39:23

other people. Yeah, grab her, grab

39:25

her arm. It sounds like it

39:27

was not just her out

39:29

there by herself at the very least and

39:32

given that instruction, her

39:34

and two others. I don't know. I

39:37

don't think there were two other people with her,

39:39

but that's not to say that someone,

39:43

the call didn't end there and there was

39:45

some kind of altercation and something said. Or

39:47

one other person with her and it's not

39:49

grab her arm, it's give me your arm,

39:51

whatever, we can't hear it. It's

39:53

weird that there's a much deeper

39:55

distinctly different than Micah or the

39:57

female dispatcher voice and then a

39:59

weird. scream, yelp

40:01

sound. And

40:04

the AI thing is, it's easy. It takes three seconds

40:06

of your voice to make any

40:08

kind of thing. Like we're hosts. If anybody ever called and

40:10

pretends to be me, it's not me. Because

40:13

there's so much- I don't know if people are gonna

40:16

know. There's a code word. But for

40:18

real, I mean, it takes like two seconds

40:20

of someone's voice. There was plenty of her

40:22

voice available in sermons and chats and whatever

40:24

videos you take at home. Yep,

40:27

and I've read,

40:30

don't know for sure, that

40:32

an attorney that JP had been

40:35

using was quite

40:37

skilled with AI. And

40:39

familiar with it. And also to the extent

40:41

that last part is kind of weird, a

40:43

911 operator on TikTok

40:45

kind of listened to it and she said, the rest

40:47

of it, the Micah Miller, my folder at the beginning,

40:50

she said, that sort of sounds like a dispatch operation.

40:52

It's just the cadence that everyone speaks.

40:54

And she said, even the fair bluff part. She

40:56

said, that sort of sounds like the cadence that

40:58

a 911 dispatch center would sound like. But that

41:00

last part, she said, that doesn't sound like anything

41:03

that would happen in the office. I mean, unless

41:05

there just so happens to be, your

41:07

coworker gets into a fistfight behind you while you're

41:10

on this call, it seems less likely. She's like,

41:12

the rest of it, you could maybe say, ah,

41:14

you're mishearing that. But the weird scream at the

41:16

end is like, it's

41:18

not saying, oh, that's absolutely her being attacked.

41:20

It's just, that doesn't really comport with what

41:22

normally sounds like. Yeah, the audio

41:25

is pretty distorted. It definitely

41:27

sounds like there's some kind of yell

41:29

at some point. The video

41:32

I saw, the woman is

41:34

from Tough Topic, is

41:37

kind of saying like, oh, they're saying like,

41:39

get her arm, help. I don't

41:41

necessarily hear that. It sounds too distorted for

41:43

me to make that out. There's

41:47

something going on though. And then

41:49

there's definitely like a yell of

41:51

some sort. It doesn't sound

41:54

like Micah, but it sounds like something

41:56

odd was happening. Yeah, it's like

41:58

that 911 operator. the dispatcher

42:00

said it doesn't comport with like what a

42:03

normal operations center you would hear. It's on

42:05

Micah's end. Yeah. Robeson

42:08

County deputies were dispatched to the Lumber River

42:10

State Park at 3.03 p.m. At

42:13

3.31, they arrived and began searching

42:15

the area on foot and by

42:17

air using drones. While

42:20

searching, police were approached by

42:22

55-year-old fisherman Johnny Jacobs. Jacobs

42:25

told police that he had been fishing nearby

42:27

when he heard faint crying, but that he

42:29

was unable to see anyone because of all

42:32

the trees. According to

42:34

Jacobs, the crying lasted approximately two

42:36

minutes. Then, a shot

42:39

rang out, followed by silence. Fearing

42:42

something tragic had happened, Jacobs maneuvered

42:44

his boat through the marshy area

42:46

to a clearing where he saw

42:48

a fanny pack, cell phone, and

42:50

sunglasses laying on the bank, approximately

42:52

two feet from the water. Jacobs

42:55

grabbed the fanny pack, later telling News

42:58

Nation, I don't know why I grabbed it.

43:00

I just grabbed it. Didn't ever look at it or

43:02

nothing. I got out and I looked around because there

43:04

was a clearing on the left and the right and

43:06

I looked around because I felt like something was wrong.

43:08

But I never seen nothing. She took the stuff, put

43:11

it in my boat, and went back to the landing.

43:14

Back in his boat, Jacobs looked in the bag. Inside

43:18

was Micah's driver's license, bank card,

43:20

car keys, $500 in cash, and a

43:22

small Bible. Jacobs

43:26

said upon this discovery, he promptly turned over

43:28

the items to the police on the scene,

43:30

who told him they were there investigating a

43:32

911 call. Which,

43:35

yeah, he said, I walked over and said, do y'all

43:37

know who Micah Miller is? Because by then he'd seen

43:39

her driver's license and they said, yes, do you know

43:41

who Micah Miller is? And

43:43

then he said, well, you know, I found all

43:45

this, which I'm sure as the deputies

43:47

were looking for her body was helpful to go,

43:50

okay, well, where did you find it? He does

43:52

an interview with News Nation and takes Rich McHugh

43:55

down to the air, like out on his

43:57

boat, and he's showing him. the

46:00

bank, two feet from the water's edge, and then she

46:02

was 40 meters away. That's

46:05

a great question. I don't know. Yeah,

46:07

the waist-high water, it definitely looked waist-high

46:09

in the video I saw. Now

46:12

Johnny said it wasn't as high

46:14

at that time. Still

46:16

though, I don't

46:19

know why you would walk through any

46:21

amount of water where there's gators and

46:23

snakes and everything, no

46:25

current. It's just stagnant water

46:28

when that isn't

46:30

necessary. If you're

46:32

planning on doing what she

46:35

said she was going to do, none

46:39

of that is really necessary, especially if

46:41

your concern is being able to be

46:43

found easily. Yeah. People made

46:45

the comment that it is, as Johnny Jacobs,

46:47

not that he had anything to do with

46:49

it, but if she were getting there via

46:51

boat somehow, that's been speculated because the Lumber

46:54

River runs all up and down there and

46:56

those are little tributaries and sloughs off to

46:58

the side. She was in one of the

47:00

little sloughs. Johnny Jacobs made a

47:02

mention of two other boaters and said, did you

47:04

hear crying? They said, no, we didn't hear crying,

47:06

but we heard a gunshot. People

47:09

have asked, well, who were those boaters? I'm like,

47:11

I'm sure the deputies probably talked to him. They

47:13

just smartly haven't come forward because look at what

47:15

happened to this guy when he came forward. Yeah,

47:17

I read in one thing and I don't know

47:19

if this is confirmed that it was a married

47:21

couple. Yeah. You're

47:23

talking to other people and you're commiserating out

47:25

there because you're like, did you hear that?

47:27

Am I hearing stuff? No.

47:29

If I'm fishing and I hear crying

47:32

and then a gunshot

47:34

and the crying stops, my mind

47:36

is going to go to the worst possible

47:38

scenario too. He

47:41

also saw a kayaker and said,

47:44

did you hear that? The kayaker was like,

47:46

yeah. That's

47:49

when the kayaker gets involved. Less

47:53

than two hours after Micah's heartbreaking 911

47:56

call was made, another call came

47:58

in. This time from a a kayaker

48:00

at the state park, shakily informing

48:02

the operator that. I think I just found a

48:04

body in the water down there. Micah's

48:07

body was discovered not far from where

48:10

Jacob's found her belongings. The

48:13

details of Jacob's story of how he came

48:15

upon the bag and what happened after

48:17

has changed a bit during interviews, causing some

48:20

to speculate that he was involved in

48:22

Micah's death. However, the fisherman

48:24

remains adamant that he had nothing to do

48:26

with it, telling interviewers, I did not do

48:28

this. There's no way in the world I

48:30

would harm anybody like that. Even

48:32

my worst enemy, I would not do nothing

48:34

like that. I was just here fishing. Now

48:39

does the story change in a couple of interviews?

48:42

I wouldn't say changes

48:45

as much as additional details are added or

48:47

you know, so, but I honestly think he's

48:49

just trying to tell a story and new

48:51

stuff keeps popping up. I was going to

48:53

say to me, it almost sounds more believable

48:55

because if you came out with one story

48:57

and you were like at 3.03 PM,

49:00

this happened unless you're like me or you,

49:02

somebody that's like an anal retentive.

49:04

Like I heard there's been times I've seen a car be

49:06

weird and I'm like 3.06 PM, red

49:08

Tesla stopped in front of my neighbor's house. Cause

49:10

I just want to have a presence sense impression.

49:12

So it's admissible later. Like

49:15

if there was a need for it, like

49:17

this was my presence sense of what happened.

49:19

Not everybody is like me and wired this

49:21

way. Most people are like recollecting naturally and

49:23

that's to me what it sounded like that

49:25

he's like, yeah, I found some stuff and

49:27

you know, it was about two, three minutes.

49:29

You know, I can't really be sure. Maybe

49:31

it was longer, which to me sounds more

49:33

believable than it was four minutes and 26

49:35

seconds. And then sticking to that

49:38

story over and over again, it's like he's, he's

49:40

genuinely seems to be recalling it. The one thing

49:42

that I did think was weird is this very

49:44

first time he talked to anybody was May 7th

49:46

and he gave four or five interviews between the

49:48

seventh and the 21st and it wasn't until May

49:50

21st that he was like, and she had $500

49:52

of cash in her bag. He

49:55

did not mention that I listened to him speak and I

49:57

watched, I like look at screenshots of what he posts on.

49:59

Facebook and comments and on his own page. Never did he

50:02

mention the $500 until, and he said, and

50:05

he goes, and I counted it, every bit of it, every bit

50:07

of it got back. So he's, so I

50:09

wonder if, you know, you pick up a bag with cash

50:11

in it and people are like, they're gonna accuse me of

50:13

stealing, there's so much cash in here. But also, why did

50:15

she have $500 of cash with her? She

50:18

paid $500 via debit card at the pawn

50:20

shop. What was the $500 of cash for?

50:23

Yeah. He also, in

50:27

one story says, he

50:29

saw a cell phone and sunglasses laying on the

50:31

bank and he didn't pick those up. He left

50:33

them. And then in another story, he said, he

50:35

did pick them up and put them in the

50:37

fanny pack and took all of it to the

50:40

boat. In

50:42

one story, he says he never looks in it.

50:44

And then in another one, he's like,

50:47

I looked in it and saw that it

50:49

was her license and stuff. So, but honestly,

50:51

I really do think he

50:53

was just out there fishing and he's

50:56

not used to something like

50:58

this. And I mean,

51:01

imagine, like we talk about,

51:03

that ripple effect of trauma and stuff, that

51:06

kayaker's life is forever changed. This guy's

51:08

life, the guy who sold the gun

51:10

to her, the pawn shop, I mean,

51:13

I saw somebody on YouTube be like, has

51:16

anyone checked on him? And then people were

51:18

like, that's so kind of you to think

51:20

about him because that is, his

51:22

image is everywhere now. You

51:24

know what I mean? It's gonna be shown in court. So,

51:27

and he also knows like, and

51:30

somebody was like, that's probably the last time she

51:32

smiled because he says something to her. He

51:35

made her laugh a little bit. So, you

51:37

know, but even during that footage, she

51:40

looks very somber and

51:42

distraught, but distracted almost. If

51:44

you're like, I'm buying

51:46

a gun to prevent my estranged,

51:50

crazy husband from killing me, you're

51:52

not gonna be in the best mood, you know? I

51:55

mean, I don't think it's indicative that like I'm about

51:57

to go kill myself. I think it

51:59

could be indicative. that like I am so

52:01

fucking tired. Yeah, I don't want to be doing

52:03

this. I don't want to have to shoot

52:05

my ex-husband in the chest, but I will

52:07

if he comes at me. And

52:09

so yeah, you have this resigning, like this is what

52:11

it's come to. And you do a couple times, she's

52:14

kind of staring off and then he comes back up

52:16

and says something to her and she just kind of

52:18

grins, you know, it's just being a friendly, you know,

52:20

friendly customer service kind of guy. Mm-hmm.

52:22

Man, I didn't think about that being the last

52:24

time that she might have smiled. I didn't think

52:26

about that. Yeah,

52:28

I had neither until someone pointed it out

52:31

in some comments, but it's,

52:35

those people should be checked on you too.

52:37

Yeah. I mean, everybody, or maybe,

52:39

you know, it's

52:41

impossible for everyone to reach out to everyone

52:44

that may be affected, but that

52:47

guy should know that it's completely okay.

52:49

Yeah. He's fucked up about this and

52:51

to seek his own help, you know,

52:53

because that's a very heavy thing to

52:55

know. Absolutely. Yeah, especially about to be

52:57

thrust possibly into the national spotlight. And

52:59

the same with Johnny Jacobs, the fisherman,

53:01

you know, every time he references her,

53:03

he's like, this was a good woman,

53:05

a godly woman. I've spoken to her

53:07

family, they're getting done dirty. I just

53:09

want to help. And so I hope

53:12

that he doesn't get any more social

53:14

media flack than he already has and,

53:16

you know, people ripping him apart or

53:18

whatever. It's like, also, you don't know the

53:20

more times people are demanding things from him

53:22

if later on a defense attorney is going

53:24

to try to use that for reasonable doubt.

53:26

So you might be helping JP or whoever

53:28

perhaps maybe goes to trial for this by

53:30

going, well, the fisherman story changed

53:32

five times. Yeah. And it's like, well, it

53:34

perhaps just changed because he's, you know, an

53:37

unsophisticated party, just kind of there fishing. He

53:39

didn't expect to be a murder witness. No,

53:42

and he said he's gotten

53:45

so many hateful things said to him

53:47

on social media that he's thinking about

53:49

hiring his own attorney because he feels

53:51

like his name has been defamed at

53:54

this point. And I mean, he's

53:56

now associated with this case for the rest

53:58

of his life. something

54:00

he most unless it comes out

54:02

but I really don't think that

54:05

he did anything untoward I think he

54:07

just happened to be there and happened

54:09

to hear something and then found

54:12

a bag and yeah anybody opens a bag you

54:14

see $500 in cash and

54:16

stuff and no one around I would

54:19

be like oh this looks very

54:21

suspicious especially since I just heard crying

54:24

and a gunshot yeah like this

54:26

is weird and he's like and then as soon as I

54:28

get back to the dock the law was there and

54:30

you're like oh yeah you guys probably are looking for this

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accounts surrounding evidence at the scene

55:47

and the location of Micah's body

55:49

has raised even more questions according

55:51

to Micah's family several ear witnesses

55:54

at the park that day reported

55:56

hearing two gunshots not one in

55:59

an interview with Law and Crime, Micah's father

56:01

Michael Francis said that multiple bullets and

56:03

shell casings were found at the scene,

56:06

something he found extremely odd, especially given

56:08

the fact that his daughter was trained

56:10

on how to use a handgun. Similarly,

56:14

Micah's body was found roughly 130 feet from

56:16

the spent bullets. Anna

56:19

Francis, Micah's sister, told news outlets that it

56:21

appeared as if a log had been placed

56:24

on top of her sister's body in the

56:26

water, additional evidence proving

56:28

Micah did not kill herself.

56:31

And yeah, Michael said she would not have

56:33

had that many spent shell casings in a

56:35

live round ejected because he said she knew

56:37

if you're going to shoot the gun, have

56:39

it prepared. So what

56:42

would cause shell casings

56:44

to come out like that? A struggle? I

56:47

don't know. I would also argue

56:49

that if this was

56:52

by her own hand and she had

56:54

tried before and it hadn't gone right,

56:57

that if you knew that, you would

56:59

be extra diligent in making sure that

57:01

things are going

57:04

to go right this time. So you

57:06

would be checking your gun and even more

57:08

aware of things that could

57:10

go wrong and you know what I'm

57:12

saying, right? Yeah, with her intent. And

57:16

I think that's another sign

57:19

that if

57:21

her intent was to complete

57:23

suicide and she was doing it the same

57:26

way she had before and had already had

57:29

the gun jammed once before, you

57:31

would take extra measures to make sure something

57:33

like that didn't happen this time. Yes,

57:36

extra measures that I think would not include

57:39

a second shot being fired. Yes.

57:42

And the only people that are saying

57:44

this are the Francis family. I'm

57:47

not saying that it's not truthful. I

57:49

think the Robeson County Sheriff's Department is

57:51

holding a lot of information back. It's

57:55

also said that someone at

57:57

the scene told him there was a

58:00

what looked to be a bullet hole

58:02

in a tree nearby. Now it

58:04

is a state park, people hunt, who knows,

58:06

that could be from something else. But

58:10

the fact that she was found in

58:13

water is very strange

58:15

to me too, because, again,

58:18

like if she's wanting to

58:21

be found, she's sharing her

58:23

location, she says, so her family can

58:25

find her, why would

58:27

you then purposely

58:30

do that near the water with the

58:32

possibility of being swept downstream

58:34

or something? The kayaker

58:36

said he originally pulled

58:39

up and thought something

58:41

was kind of going on and she

58:44

was kind of against a tree, and

58:46

when the water kind of was rushing,

58:49

he saw her foot bob up. So

58:51

at least like a leg and a foot

58:54

were under enough to where it

58:57

wasn't immediately visible. And also Jacob

58:59

said later when he touched back,

59:02

circle back with the kayaker, the

59:04

kayaker said, you were right over there, buyer, you

59:07

must have just missed her, which people are like,

59:09

well, how could you not have seen her? I

59:12

mean, there's a ton of water and

59:14

trees and brush and stuff, and also

59:16

he's got the bag down and he's

59:18

worried about that. I don't think that

59:20

him not seeing her means anything. I

59:23

think it could have been overlooked. Yeah, I don't know

59:25

that he was, him

59:28

not seeing her, if the kayaker had to say her foot

59:30

bobbed up, and Anna said something

59:32

was on top of her, a log or

59:34

something to help sink her, that

59:36

certainly would alleviate him

59:39

from being under any suspicion, like, oh, you didn't

59:41

see it. It's like she was buried under something

59:43

and I wasn't that close, versus the kayaker who

59:45

was. Yeah, and putting

59:48

someone in water would probably get rid

59:50

of a lot of evidence. It would

59:52

absolutely destroy DNA evidence and other forensics.

59:56

As Micah's family grieved their

59:58

unspeakable loss. Insult was added

1:00:01

to injury when JP sent a text

1:00:03

to a group chat consisting of Micah's

1:00:05

parents and siblings later that evening. Sent

1:00:08

mere hours after her body had been

1:00:10

discovered. The disgraced pastor wrote, This is

1:00:12

what happens when you try to encourage

1:00:15

someone to divorce the person they love

1:00:17

and tell them they don't need medicine

1:00:19

and that they're not ill when they

1:00:21

are. Good job, Francis family. This

1:00:26

motherfucker. Just

1:00:28

this text alone should get you

1:00:30

time. Yes, yes. Regardless,

1:00:35

regardless if you did it or not,

1:00:37

regardless if you did it or not,

1:00:39

I think he says he doesn't in

1:00:41

my opinion. How

1:00:45

could anyone send something like this? He's

1:00:47

a fucking heartless monster. Oh, everybody that

1:00:49

still goes to his church. You're complicit.

1:00:52

You're complicit, Solid Rock. I'm talking to you. Everybody,

1:00:54

I don't care if he's on leave right now

1:00:56

or whatever. The fact that anybody finds the shit

1:00:59

out about their pastor and is like, well, I'm

1:01:01

just being forgiving. I'm like Jesus would shake your

1:01:03

ass awake and go, what are you doing? This

1:01:05

is not what I was talking about at all.

1:01:08

I have been misquoted. The fact that you

1:01:10

have the audacity and the heartlessness to send

1:01:12

this and I believe it was Sierra responded,

1:01:14

fuck out of here with that. And I'm

1:01:16

like, yes, ma'am. That is the right answer. Like

1:01:19

you did this. Go fuck yourself, sir. We all

1:01:21

know but the audacity. The audacity. It's

1:01:24

it's something else. Not just to

1:01:27

call out the people that are still going because

1:01:29

his congregation went from 700 to 50. Yeah,

1:01:32

which I think is very telling. But if you're

1:01:35

one of those 50, get

1:01:38

the fuck out. Like

1:01:40

this guy is a monster.

1:01:43

Yeah. Like you're being brainwashed.

1:01:45

You are being potentially abused

1:01:47

yourself. And even

1:01:50

before this text, the

1:01:52

shit he says up on that pulpit.

1:01:54

It's so sexist and misogynistic. It's so

1:01:56

misogynistic. And he's like laughing about it.

1:01:59

He's horrible. Well, my wife and I,

1:02:01

99% of the time, we have a great marriage. But

1:02:03

then there's that 1% where, you

1:02:05

know, she just goes from like a zero to a

1:02:07

10 and gets all crazy.

1:02:09

But, you know, then I forgive

1:02:11

her after she apologizes and we're back to

1:02:14

100%. Everybody laughs. And

1:02:16

I'm like, you are so

1:02:18

fucking gross. You're laughing at this.

1:02:20

After he's very publicly shares her

1:02:22

struggles with you as well. Yeah.

1:02:25

What in the 90s hack comic is

1:02:27

this? No, it's crazy. Women, am I right?

1:02:30

It's fucking embarrassing. But he does it as

1:02:32

a way to manipulate and control his wife

1:02:34

and then also all the women in the

1:02:36

congregation. That's why their husbands want to drag

1:02:39

them there. Because guess what? They all get

1:02:41

controlled too. Yeah, it's very sick to misuse

1:02:43

scripture in this way. And then say good

1:02:45

job, Frances family, to the grieving family of

1:02:48

a dead woman. And at least

1:02:50

some of the people, at

1:02:53

least one that I know of, because

1:02:56

he admitted to it in an interview that

1:02:58

attends there is a child sex predator. So,

1:03:00

you know, I mean, what

1:03:03

are you doing there? You gotta, you gotta

1:03:05

take a look at the company you

1:03:07

keep. And if, and if you're still

1:03:09

going to this church, when all of

1:03:11

this has come out and not just

1:03:13

speculation, you now have proof that he

1:03:15

admitted he put a nude photo of

1:03:17

her online. He admitted he slashed her

1:03:19

tires and use tracking devices. This

1:03:22

is a text. You can't, it's a screenshot.

1:03:24

Like you, you can't lie about that. They're

1:03:26

forever. So even if you don't think he

1:03:29

killed her, he did, then what?

1:03:33

Then like, but how can you

1:03:36

excuse all this other behavior? You

1:03:39

know what I mean? You shouldn't. It's agreed. No, it's

1:03:43

abusive and awful. And

1:03:46

even if you think he didn't pull

1:03:48

the trigger, he should

1:03:51

be held accountable

1:03:53

for all of these things. I'm

1:03:55

talking specifically to the congregation. And

1:03:57

if you're forgiving this type of behavior,

1:03:59

Shame on you. Yeah,

1:04:02

we also forgot all the kids you molested.

1:04:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah. According to his ex-wife's affidavit.

1:04:06

So there's not only, you know, he's disrespectful,

1:04:08

he's also a sex predator, including Tamika. Yes,

1:04:10

he was grooming her from the age of

1:04:13

14 and then married her at 18

1:04:15

or married her, she

1:04:17

got married at 18 to another guy, but he

1:04:19

was continuing to groom her. Grooming

1:04:24

involves sexual interaction. He was 100% having

1:04:27

sex with her as a minor. He

1:04:30

confessed to the elders of the church and

1:04:32

his ex-wife. So we're not saying anything wild.

1:04:34

And also sue me for defamation, bitch. Let's

1:04:36

get all those victims on the stand. Please,

1:04:38

I'd love it, I'd love it. Yeah, for

1:04:40

sure. Bring it out and discovery. He wasn't

1:04:42

done though. Yeah, that text wasn't, it's

1:04:44

just the first of many horrible things

1:04:46

he said. After sending

1:04:48

that message to Micah's family, JP

1:04:51

preached his usual Sunday sermon on

1:04:53

April 28th. He

1:04:55

reserved the last few moments to ask

1:04:57

parishioners to please continue giving money to

1:04:59

the church and attending while he took

1:05:01

time off. He briefly mentioned

1:05:03

that Micah died and made a point to

1:05:06

mention her mental health struggles. JP

1:05:08

then asked attendees not to discuss

1:05:10

anything. And we quoted

1:05:14

the exact message in the last

1:05:16

episode, but

1:05:19

it's bananas. And that was the first

1:05:21

thing I saw about this whole case

1:05:23

was that, and I immediately was like,

1:05:26

oh, this isn't what someone

1:05:28

who is innocent that loves

1:05:30

his wife says, this is

1:05:32

insane. Every

1:05:36

comment was immediately like Chris Watts. He did

1:05:38

it, Chad Daybill, it's giving Chris Watts. Like

1:05:40

we weren't the only people to watch

1:05:42

it and go, that doesn't sit right. He

1:05:45

later said, oh, you know, I was in shock,

1:05:47

but I think he was trying

1:05:49

to control the narrative and trying to control

1:05:52

the people in the congregation still. And still

1:05:54

after her death, trying to control her of

1:05:56

being like, you know, she was self induced,

1:05:58

you know, it was. Oh, you

1:06:00

know, she had all those mental health problems.

1:06:02

You know, I talked about them publicly. Imagine

1:06:05

you find out your

1:06:07

wife has died very

1:06:09

tragically, horrifically. You send that

1:06:12

text to her family around 10 p.m. that

1:06:14

same night. And then the next

1:06:17

morning, early in the morning, you get up

1:06:19

and preach a sermon, never mention

1:06:21

it. No one can tell from

1:06:23

your attitude or body language that anything is

1:06:25

off. How could anybody be

1:06:27

capable of that? It

1:06:30

seems like psychopathic

1:06:33

behavior. I'm not an expert

1:06:35

in all that. But it's

1:06:38

bizarre to see that, to be able to switch

1:06:40

between, you know, women talk so much. I have

1:06:42

to let you know, Micah did, she died and

1:06:44

it was self-adhesive. Please don't talk about it and

1:06:46

keep tithing though, because I'm gonna take some time

1:06:48

off, but I don't want to worry about not

1:06:50

making money, because I laundered money through this church.

1:06:52

It's like, we don't know

1:06:55

that yet, but the FBI will find out

1:06:57

very shortly. Based on the evidence at hand,

1:06:59

we're gonna say that. But yeah, to be

1:07:01

able to compartmentalize such, for

1:07:04

most people would be insurmountable

1:07:07

grief. You

1:07:10

wouldn't be able to get out of bed, let

1:07:12

alone go talk in front of a group of

1:07:14

people about something laughing and shit, cracking jokes. And

1:07:16

then the last few minutes you're like, by the

1:07:18

way, my wife killed herself last night. Don't talk

1:07:21

about it, please pay me money. Goodbye. That's

1:07:23

ridiculous. Yeah,

1:07:26

it was weird. Weird is- And he's not done yet.

1:07:28

I feel like this is, that

1:07:33

footage is

1:07:36

going to be one of the main things, I think,

1:07:38

that brings him down. Certainly,

1:07:41

that and I think all footage of him,

1:07:43

I think he, like we said, between

1:07:45

what Micah gathered and what he cannot shut

1:07:48

up, it'll take

1:07:50

care of itself. In

1:07:53

an interview with YouTuber, Robbie Harvey,

1:07:55

Micah's best friend, Charlotte Corn, relayed

1:07:58

a strange phone call she had with- JP

1:08:00

the day after Micah died. Charlotte

1:08:02

stated that JP called her as soon as he

1:08:05

was out of preaching the sermon. Charlotte

1:08:07

noted this was before JP saw

1:08:09

Micah's body. Allegedly, JP

1:08:12

asked how Charlotte was doing and

1:08:14

whether she wanted further details of

1:08:16

Micah's death. Charlotte

1:08:18

agreed. And JP explained, Well,

1:08:22

she was supposed to go to work, but instead

1:08:24

she went and bought a gun and then drove

1:08:26

up to Lumberton. I thought she was going to

1:08:28

see you. He paused.

1:08:31

Charlotte's blood ran cold. As she said,

1:08:34

no, Micah had no plans to head

1:08:36

north to visit Charlotte who had moved

1:08:38

from Myrtle Beach to Virginia. Charlotte

1:08:41

said in the interview, It honestly

1:08:44

kind of sent a shiver down my spine

1:08:46

because it just sounded like he was watching

1:08:48

her. When asked whether she believed that JP

1:08:50

was tracking Micah the day she died, Charlotte

1:08:53

said, That's

1:08:55

how it sounded. That's what it sounded like to

1:08:57

me. She added it was

1:08:59

not surprising given how frequently JP tracked

1:09:01

her and stalked her both on his

1:09:03

own and with the help of the

1:09:05

PI. She said she would

1:09:07

testify under oath to what she

1:09:09

said if ever asked to at trial. This

1:09:14

is pretty damning. Bingo.

1:09:16

Yeah, him going. Oh, I thought she was going

1:09:19

to see you as I watched her drive north.

1:09:21

Yeah. So you were watching her. You were either

1:09:24

following her or you were watching a GPS. I

1:09:26

don't know how trackers work. It shows you something

1:09:28

of where she's going, but you

1:09:31

knew she was going up there. How

1:09:33

would you have known? How would you have known? I

1:09:35

thought she was going to see you. That's

1:09:40

a weird statement. I think on the

1:09:43

literal devil's advocate side, if I was a

1:09:45

defense attorney, you go, Oh, well,

1:09:47

because he was told that she ended up in

1:09:49

Lumberton. And so he thought, Oh,

1:09:51

well, maybe she stopped at Lumberton on the

1:09:53

way. But the present tense of like, Oh,

1:09:55

I thought she was like, she's going. I

1:09:57

was. It's just like the way he said.

1:10:00

and that phrasing, and I think

1:10:02

Charlotte's gonna be a bombshell key

1:10:04

witness because he c-seed her on

1:10:06

so many

1:10:08

just absolute, again,

1:10:11

abusive, horrific, abusive,

1:10:13

terrible, oh, absolutely terrible

1:10:15

text messages. And he said, I'm copying

1:10:17

Charlotte so she can see how bad

1:10:19

you are, or whatever, to Micah. So

1:10:21

it's a three-way text chat with your

1:10:24

best friend and her batshit husband who

1:10:26

is sending repeated, abusive messages, and you're

1:10:28

just like, oh, I guess I'm just

1:10:30

gonna screenshot these all to tell the police

1:10:32

eventually. Yeah, you get added to a group

1:10:34

chat. Next thing you know, your best friend's

1:10:36

husband is just unleashing.

1:10:40

It's just

1:10:42

another thing that's gonna hang himself.

1:10:45

He is so narcissistic and

1:10:48

stupid that, and just angry

1:10:51

and abusive that he can't see the

1:10:53

forest for the trees. Like he doesn't

1:10:55

think, he's so in the moment. We

1:10:58

talked in the last episode about

1:11:01

when she was at the mechanics

1:11:04

getting her car fixed because he had

1:11:07

slashed her fucking tires and

1:11:09

he pulls up. And how does

1:11:11

he know she's there? Because he's fucking tracking

1:11:13

her. And there's video of him

1:11:15

walking up to her car and yelling like

1:11:17

you're in fucking high school. Like wait until

1:11:19

these pictures get posted on Facebook. And she's

1:11:21

like, well, you're gonna be in jail in

1:11:23

a few hours. And just like the

1:11:27

embarrassing cringe, he's

1:11:31

just showing his ass. He can't hide it.

1:11:33

I mean, like that is so ingrained in

1:11:35

him, that abusive nature. It is just constantly

1:11:38

bubbling below the surface that he can

1:11:40

mask it for a bit, but not

1:11:43

always. And then it comes out and

1:11:45

it's on video. Like it's

1:11:47

gonna get played in court, my dude. Like how

1:11:49

are you gonna explain all this shit away to

1:11:52

people that aren't under your control because they're in

1:11:55

your congregation? Truly,

1:11:57

yeah, or yeah, people, his dad is about the only one that

1:11:59

came out today. So that's a good point. And

1:12:02

I think we'll get into it in part three

1:12:04

as far as lies versus reality,

1:12:07

but having people like Charlotte,

1:12:09

I think are so vital to have that

1:12:11

footage. And Micah herself documented so, so much

1:12:13

as well, because he'll just be like, no,

1:12:15

oh, and you're like, yeah, man, we still

1:12:18

have a video footage. So, like, do you

1:12:20

think that, no, like I have eyes and

1:12:22

ears. I saw it myself. It's wild that

1:12:24

he thinks that he could just do this

1:12:27

and there's no repercussions. I'll

1:12:29

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1:12:31

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medical examiner released Micah's body to J.P.

1:13:33

Miller on April 30th. When

1:13:36

her grieving family asked to see her,

1:13:38

J.P. told them the only way he

1:13:40

would allow them to see Micah is

1:13:42

that they first signed a certification of

1:13:44

cremation, according to Fitts News. Micah's

1:13:47

sister, Sierra, along with her attorney, spoke

1:13:50

with Ashley Banfield of News Nation. In

1:13:53

the interview, Sierra claimed that not only were

1:13:55

they forced into allowing Micah's body to be

1:13:57

cremated, but that she and her family were.

1:14:00

informed that Micah's body was never tested

1:14:02

to see if there was water in

1:14:04

her lungs or gunpowder residue in her body.

1:14:07

Similarly, neither a toxicology report

1:14:09

nor an autopsy were performed.

1:14:12

A decision made by the medical

1:14:14

examiner, many find questionable. Because

1:14:17

Micah was cremated, there was no

1:14:20

chance for a secondary autopsy to

1:14:22

gather evidence and potentially help determine

1:14:24

if foul play was involved. Meanwhile,

1:14:28

this whole week, JP was going out with his girlfriend

1:14:31

Susie drinking at a bar and getting sloppy and

1:14:33

then had the audacity to tell the family, oh,

1:14:35

you want to see her? Oh,

1:14:37

sure. You can see her if you do

1:14:40

what I say, which I would say South

1:14:42

Carolina has a Safe Cremation Act. Part

1:14:45

of that is that crematoriums, funeral homes, you

1:14:47

have to sign an affidavit upon which you

1:14:49

swear several things. One of the things that

1:14:51

he signed himself and swore on it was

1:14:53

that there was no pending divorce action. He's

1:14:57

liable for preemptively cremating her,

1:14:59

in my opinion, under South Carolina law

1:15:01

and also he's liable for lying on

1:15:03

a sworn document under South Carolina law. The

1:15:06

copy that he provided or whatever, like, oh, look, I

1:15:09

signed this, whatever. He

1:15:12

had no rights, in my opinion, to even force them

1:15:14

to do it. I think the funeral home is

1:15:16

suspicious for listening to him.

1:15:20

You got to do due diligence on your clients. You

1:15:22

have this guy saying, oh, this is my wife and

1:15:24

the family going, she filed for divorce. She didn't want

1:15:26

him to be in charge of her and

1:15:28

him presenting a power of attorney,

1:15:31

powers of attorney cease when you die. So

1:15:33

that's irrelevant. And also there's arguments about why

1:15:35

she was, was she coerced

1:15:37

and or tricked into signing that. So

1:15:40

there's a lot of suspicion with the cremation

1:15:42

and the speed with which he insisted there

1:15:44

be a cremation. That's what I'm saying. Why

1:15:47

are you so eager to get a cremation?

1:15:49

Why don't you want a burial?

1:15:53

One could argue, oh, well, because of the

1:15:55

nature of how she died. Well, it could

1:15:57

be closed casket. But I mean, regardless. her

1:16:00

family should be able to see her without

1:16:03

having to do fuck all. That's their

1:16:05

right to be able to see her.

1:16:08

Yeah, if you watch interviews with the Francis family, apparently he'd

1:16:10

be like, they would try to call the funeral home and

1:16:12

say, well, we're gonna come at this time. And they say,

1:16:14

well, JP said you can only come between two and three.

1:16:16

That's when he's gonna come and you can't. I'm

1:16:19

like, why is the funeral home letting

1:16:21

this Yahoo decide anything? So- Is

1:16:23

it because he's the power of attorney? It doesn't matter.

1:16:25

Your power of attorney ceases when you die. Oh. At

1:16:28

least under Texas law and I,

1:16:31

it's pretty much common law everywhere. If

1:16:33

there's some weird South Carolina thing,

1:16:36

but I would say when trying

1:16:38

to determine next of kin and

1:16:40

especially given that that affidavit of

1:16:42

cremation has a mention of a

1:16:44

filed divorce action, which there absolutely

1:16:46

was a filed divorce action. So

1:16:48

this is a, granted a woman

1:16:50

is dead, but I think it

1:16:52

is extremely relevant to the cessation

1:16:54

of any murder investigation when her

1:16:56

now suspect husband, in my opinion,

1:16:58

he's suspect is forcing this cremation

1:17:00

so quickly. He goes, well, that's when her memorial service

1:17:03

was gonna be that Sunday. So I had to get

1:17:05

her cremated before it. Bitch, you're the one that planned

1:17:07

the memorial service. So you cannot use that as

1:17:09

an excuse. And he goes, well, bodies start to

1:17:11

stink. You dumb ass. They keep it at a

1:17:13

fucking refrigerator. Idiot. They're not just

1:17:15

law, unless you're just the Dallas funeral home, which

1:17:18

we covered. They're not just out in a hallway.

1:17:20

She's in a fucking more, like, what are you

1:17:22

talking about? So that the excuses of, well, her

1:17:24

body was gonna stink and I had to have

1:17:26

a funeral. Like, shut up. No, you wanted her

1:17:28

cremated. Why? We can all

1:17:30

fill in the books. Yeah. As

1:17:33

the Francis family entered the room to

1:17:35

view Micah one last time, they were

1:17:37

forced to focus on gathering evidence rather

1:17:39

than grieving. With no autopsy

1:17:41

performed, they aimed to collect as much

1:17:43

evidence as possible to seek justice for

1:17:45

Micah. They documented what

1:17:47

her father described a law in crime

1:17:50

as, defensive wounds on

1:17:52

her hands and arms, noting marks, scratches,

1:17:54

and bruises that appeared to be a

1:17:56

result from someone forcefully grabbing and holding

1:17:59

her. These bruises were

1:18:01

not visible in footage of Micah from the pawn

1:18:03

shop. Her sister, Anna, asked

1:18:05

the medical examiner if such bruises could

1:18:07

result from law enforcement retrieving the body

1:18:10

from the water. The

1:18:12

Emmy explained that bruising cannot occur

1:18:14

after the heart stops beating. This

1:18:16

indicated the bruises were inflicted sometime between

1:18:19

Micah's visit to the pawn shop and

1:18:21

the discovery of her body, according to

1:18:23

Anna's interview with Fitz News. Anna

1:18:27

has said that quote, there were definitely bruises

1:18:29

on her hands. It's really sad to

1:18:31

hear her described. She's like, you know, we walk in

1:18:33

the room with her and we can't even grieve. We

1:18:36

had to go into fight mode because Robeson County was

1:18:38

neglecting to investigate this. And we're like, we're her only

1:18:40

hope. Like hold her hand up, take

1:18:42

pictures. And the only thing I can think of

1:18:45

is I was like, somebody in her family's phone

1:18:47

has those pictures on it. You know, like you

1:18:50

open up your phone app. You

1:18:53

know, and that you're like, I love you so much, but I

1:18:55

don't want to look at these, but like I have to have

1:18:57

them. Like I have to do this for you. And he described

1:18:59

it as bruise marks

1:19:01

on her hand as if you're watching us

1:19:03

on YouTube, I'm kind of imitating it. But

1:19:05

like your your hand being forced, grabbed, held

1:19:08

almost as if you're you have

1:19:10

a gun in your hand and they're forcing your

1:19:12

hand, you know, grabs and marks and interesting that,

1:19:14

you know, honest said, oh, well, maybe they drug

1:19:16

her out of the water and grabbed her arms

1:19:19

and they would have bruised her in the Emmy's

1:19:21

like, no, if she was already dead, that

1:19:23

wasn't going to bruise her. Yeah. It's

1:19:26

very tough to listen to her dad talking about

1:19:28

that saying it was

1:19:30

the worst day of his life. And I, I

1:19:33

can't imagine. And then yeah, to have that,

1:19:35

I mean, it's like so many other cases

1:19:37

we've covered where the family

1:19:39

is forced to be the advocate

1:19:41

for the victim because the cops

1:19:44

aren't doing their job and like

1:19:46

Ellen Greenberg, Ryan Ferguson, Ellen

1:19:48

Greenberg's family had to go

1:19:50

through all of the autopsy

1:19:52

reports and everything. See in

1:19:55

those pictures of your

1:19:57

kid. It's

1:20:01

always in your head. I

1:20:03

don't know how you don't see it every day.

1:20:05

You know, I mean, the strength, you know, and to

1:20:08

be able to go on, but they do it because

1:20:10

no one else will.

1:20:12

And the love for your kid is

1:20:14

so strong and your sister that yes,

1:20:17

this is horrible. No one wants to

1:20:19

look at this. You don't ever

1:20:21

wanna see your loved one that

1:20:23

way. But if it means the

1:20:26

person that did this to her gets put

1:20:28

behind bars, then it's

1:20:30

worth it. Yeah, it makes me think of Debbie

1:20:32

Riddle and the Greenbergs for sure of like, I

1:20:35

don't wanna grieve you, but I have to take the ball and

1:20:37

move it forward. Cause I don't want you to, you know, I

1:20:39

don't want you to have died in pain. Yeah,

1:20:42

for sure. No, and many, I was

1:20:45

watching that series on

1:20:47

Netflix. I am a stalker, which wow.

1:20:50

It's very haunting

1:20:54

and compelling. Cause there's these firsthand

1:20:56

interviews with people that

1:20:58

are in prison for stalking. And the way

1:21:00

they speak about it is just so cold and

1:21:02

calculating, but one of the

1:21:04

women on it that

1:21:07

was being interviewed, her son was a victim. Just,

1:21:10

he happened to be in the wrong place at the

1:21:12

wrong time. And she said,

1:21:14

I haven't

1:21:17

been able to grieve because until

1:21:19

the man who did it was

1:21:21

put in prison, she couldn't really

1:21:23

grieve because she was just gathering

1:21:25

evidence every day and on the

1:21:27

phone with people. And like, you

1:21:30

can't even process your own feelings

1:21:32

because you immediately have a job

1:21:34

to do. Yeah,

1:21:36

and that's what Ana said. She said, all the siblings

1:21:39

have like things that they're good at. Like one of

1:21:41

them's good at organizing people. So they were able to

1:21:43

do like a meal train. One of them's good at

1:21:45

paperwork. So they were doing that. One of them's good

1:21:47

at this. So it's again, now you all have these

1:21:49

little hats that you have to wear and you're getting

1:21:52

through the day, not being able to

1:21:54

fully grieve this huge gaping hole that's

1:21:56

in your life. And just Ana talking

1:21:58

about hearing the gut. the literal cries of

1:22:00

her mom that day that they had to go

1:22:03

in there. And she's like, it's the sound I'll

1:22:05

never forget. Because it was this ultimate pain of

1:22:07

like, am I really signing this away? Am I

1:22:09

signing her away to be

1:22:11

cremated? And it's just not a position anybody should have

1:22:14

to be put in. No, no, no, no. On

1:22:18

May 5th, 2024, two

1:22:20

memorial services for Micah were held.

1:22:22

At Solid Rock Church, JP held

1:22:24

a memorial for the congregation. Strangely,

1:22:27

though his voice was high pitched,

1:22:29

he never shed tears. One

1:22:31

behavioral expert on News Nation said JP

1:22:34

did not demonstrate the markers of a

1:22:36

man in grief. Instead,

1:22:38

saying JP displayed, all

1:22:40

the classic cues of someone faking an emotion.

1:22:43

During the odd rambling ceremony,

1:22:45

he commented on Micah's body

1:22:47

saying, imagine being married

1:22:49

to that. He also claimed to lay

1:22:51

with her body four times after her

1:22:54

death and tried to raise her from

1:22:56

the dead. He stated he

1:22:58

believed he did raise her when he saw

1:23:00

a woman who looked like Micah with a

1:23:02

matching tattoo at the mall. When

1:23:04

he screamed out, it turned out to

1:23:06

be her sister. Fucking

1:23:09

what? What?

1:23:12

He's like, I had to get the chain.

1:23:14

I had to get the chain fixed on

1:23:16

my dog tag. So when I went to

1:23:18

the mall, I saw a woman look just

1:23:20

like Micah, same hair. The sisters all have

1:23:22

matching band tattoos on their own, like the

1:23:24

family does. And she had the same tattoos,

1:23:26

Micah. And I screamed out like it worked,

1:23:28

Jesus, it worked. I raised her. And then

1:23:30

she turned around and it was her sister.

1:23:32

I'm like, you followed the sister to the

1:23:34

mall, didn't you? Like, what

1:23:36

are you doing? Or you saw the sister at the

1:23:39

mall and you wanna be like, Micah, is that you?

1:23:41

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm just so emotional. But

1:23:43

the voice that he does is embarrassingly fake.

1:23:45

He does not shed a tear. He doesn't

1:23:47

touch to dab his eyes, touch it at

1:23:49

all. And that expert on News Nation was

1:23:51

like, there's this thing that happens in your

1:23:54

forehead that's like, it's

1:23:56

not a purposeful thing that you can do,

1:23:58

that they say they look for. in

1:24:00

people who are truly in grief that it's this like

1:24:03

inadvertent tensing of this muscle in the forehead

1:24:05

that he called the grief muscle. And he

1:24:07

said, watch his forehead the whole time. He's

1:24:09

just like, oh, I'm so sad. His

1:24:12

face is kind of trying to grumple

1:24:14

up and he's doing this weird breaky

1:24:16

voice. Yes, it's weird, Alec Murdocky for

1:24:18

sure. Yeah. Of like weird

1:24:21

faking it. I'm like, how often is this like

1:24:23

worked in your life? Because it's more than once

1:24:25

I imagine. Yeah. And then

1:24:27

imagine being her sister at the mall. And you've

1:24:29

got him fucking yelling at

1:24:31

you. No,

1:24:34

God, whoever if he

1:24:36

runs up and screams on you, you're allowed to hit him

1:24:38

in the face like you like, are you kidding me? Like

1:24:40

I'm already grieving. Get away from me. Go

1:24:42

fix your dog tag chain. First of all, yeah. And

1:24:45

you're also wearing dog tags and you're not

1:24:47

you're not even in the military. So

1:24:50

operations stolen, Valor embarrassing at

1:24:53

the beach. The Francis family held

1:24:55

their own ceremony honoring Micah. The

1:24:57

event included dozens of people whose

1:25:00

lives Micah touched. The public

1:25:02

noted that the family chose to hold their

1:25:04

ceremony at the same time as the Solid

1:25:06

Rock Memorial. That

1:25:08

was kind of like everyone going, that was on

1:25:11

purpose, right? And I think it was. And a

1:25:13

ton of people showed up and many from her

1:25:15

church. So, you know, I mean, a lot of

1:25:17

people had known what was going

1:25:19

on. And I

1:25:22

think those that have left are

1:25:25

a lot of them, I'm sure, like, oh, well,

1:25:29

it happened. Our worst fear happened. And

1:25:31

you know, and they're luckily

1:25:34

on the right side, they're going to

1:25:36

support her. But it was a very

1:25:39

sad but beautiful ceremony right on the

1:25:41

beach, right by right by the ocean. Yeah.

1:25:46

That same day, Solid Rock Church

1:25:48

announced that JP has been released

1:25:50

from his duties, though

1:25:52

his bio still remains on the Solid

1:25:54

Rock website. His ex-wife,

1:25:56

Allison, alleged in court filings that

1:25:58

JP maintains when 100%

1:26:01

ownership and control over solid rock.

1:26:03

Public records show he owns the land

1:26:06

on which the church sits, making the

1:26:08

nature of his quote, release a subject

1:26:10

of suspicion. Plus

1:26:13

in the April 28th sermon, he's like, I want

1:26:15

to take a leave for a while. So it's

1:26:17

like the church can't be like, we told him

1:26:19

he can't come back. It's like he said he

1:26:22

was leaving anyway. And he also he owns all

1:26:24

of it. He said it might be a few

1:26:26

days, could be a few weeks. I mean, so

1:26:29

yeah, but if you own the land it's on and

1:26:31

all that. I imagine it'll be a few

1:26:35

days, few weeks. I think it'll be 30 to life.

1:26:37

I hope so. That's what I hope. Does

1:26:40

South Carolina have the death penalty? They

1:26:43

do indeed. We'll talk about it in part three.

1:26:45

I have a pretty thorough legal analysis of the

1:26:47

crimes he did and including the, what I

1:26:49

think are aggravating factors at play in this case. That

1:26:52

could be on the table then. On

1:26:55

May 6th, Micah's sister, Sierra filed

1:26:57

a petition in probate court to

1:26:59

become the special administrator of Micah's

1:27:01

estate. She included an

1:27:03

affidavit from their brother, Nate, who

1:27:05

detailed JP's abuse of Micah, including

1:27:08

physical violence, tracking her location and

1:27:10

hiring people to follow her. JP

1:27:13

allegedly transferred assets out of his name

1:27:15

by dating their house to the church

1:27:17

for less than fair value and transferring

1:27:19

his interest in the crocodile rock spar

1:27:22

to one of his sons. The

1:27:24

move was meant to defraud and deprive Micah

1:27:26

of her fair share of assets, according to

1:27:29

the filing. Sierra claimed

1:27:31

Micah had collected digital evidence against

1:27:33

JP, which was erased from her

1:27:35

devices and cloud accounts during her

1:27:38

involuntary commitment in February. JP

1:27:40

also allegedly pretended to be Micah

1:27:42

in digital communications with others on

1:27:45

more than one occasion. After

1:27:47

the filing, Sierra was appointed the

1:27:49

administrator of Micah's estate. The

1:27:53

affidavit garnered news attention, especially

1:27:55

Sierra's damning statement. Many

1:28:00

times, quote, if I end up with a bullet

1:28:02

in my head, it was not

1:28:04

by me. It was JP. Anyone

1:28:07

with information regarding this case is asked

1:28:09

to contact the FBI through your local

1:28:11

field office. Micah's attorney, Regina

1:28:13

Ward, is working with the family and

1:28:16

accepting tips via her law office. You

1:28:19

can send them via

1:28:21

email to justiceformikatips@gmail.com. There

1:28:23

is also a GoFundMe to support the

1:28:25

Francis family's legal efforts. We've included a

1:28:27

link in our show notes via the

1:28:30

episode description. We also

1:28:32

strongly encourage everyone to contact the

1:28:34

lawmakers in your own state to

1:28:36

have coercive control bills on the

1:28:38

books to prevent situations like this.

1:28:42

So what do we think? I

1:28:45

think that the key to this, as far as

1:28:47

keeping, so what do we think to this episode

1:28:50

and our discussion of the day that she died

1:28:52

and the evidence available there, I think a

1:28:55

lot of digital evidence that we don't

1:28:57

have access to are going to be

1:28:59

the biggest, biggest keys in this case.

1:29:01

I think the loose alibi of

1:29:03

JP, which we'll talk about in part

1:29:05

two, anything like that where we all

1:29:08

have kind of been told, well, he said he wasn't

1:29:10

there, so it's fine. Part three, we'll

1:29:12

talk about that. I'm sorry, in part three.

1:29:14

But I think the big linchpin

1:29:17

in this whole case is going to be

1:29:19

Micah's phone because there's more than just those

1:29:21

few Google searches that we were shown by

1:29:24

Robeson County Sheriff's Department. The

1:29:26

photos of the Francis family and

1:29:29

videos of Micah's body, analysis from

1:29:31

independent for whether we see some

1:29:34

of the big names, not Henry Lee, who's the guy I'm thinking

1:29:36

of, the German fellow. Werner.

1:29:39

That's a documentarian. Spitz.

1:29:42

Spitz. Werner Spitz. Werner

1:29:44

Spitz. That's his name. Werner Herzog

1:29:46

is the documentarian. Werner Spitz. If

1:29:48

you get one of these expert forensics

1:29:51

saying that is clearly the bruises of

1:29:53

a person's hand, JP's phone, every single

1:29:55

burner he's ever bought, every single his

1:29:58

whole entire computer, his. Everything

1:30:00

that he might have accessed digitally, I think you

1:30:03

need to track down the PIs that have been

1:30:05

helping him and say, first of all, we'll get

1:30:07

into, so that, my issue with the PIs,

1:30:09

I'll talk about in part two, but I think

1:30:11

getting any information of them, what did you provide

1:30:14

him and when did you provide him this information?

1:30:16

Were you following her that day? Who is this

1:30:18

guy in this video? Are we either gonna rule

1:30:20

him out or say, oh my gosh, that

1:30:22

was the PI that was tracking her? And the

1:30:25

key time, I think, is the time, what happened

1:30:27

between Dick's pawn shop, why she ended up going

1:30:29

north, and from the

1:30:32

gas station to when she finally made

1:30:34

the call, it's not exactly, she pulled

1:30:36

into the state park and immediately called.

1:30:38

It's like, was someone there? Did

1:30:41

she meet them? What happened in that? And

1:30:43

I think the statements from everybody at the

1:30:45

state park, not just Johnny Jacobs, which like,

1:30:47

bless his heart, sir, I know you want

1:30:49

a clear name, shut up, stop talking. Stop

1:30:51

talking in public interviews, like shut up. Go

1:30:53

talk to the FBI, talk to law enforcement,

1:30:55

but we don't want to have public impeachment

1:30:57

evidence to go, well, he said six different

1:30:59

things and give reasonable doubt to

1:31:01

anybody that might stay in trial for this.

1:31:04

So I hope that everybody that does have

1:31:06

something goes forward to the Justice for Micah

1:31:08

tips. You also just type in FBI office

1:31:10

near me and say, hey, I have information

1:31:13

on a active case

1:31:15

because the South Carolina division is

1:31:17

apparently investigating. So, you know,

1:31:19

if you've been abused by J.P. Miller, something

1:31:22

like anything that could help, I think,

1:31:24

sending it to Regina Ward, the family

1:31:26

and the FBI will

1:31:29

help move things along that

1:31:31

I think the wheels are already in

1:31:33

motion for. Yeah, I agree that the

1:31:35

time between the gas station and arriving

1:31:37

at the state park, if

1:31:40

she did, in fact, drive

1:31:42

herself there, that's

1:31:45

gonna be key. Like, how

1:31:48

did it go from the

1:31:51

complete opposite direction of where you'd be going to

1:31:53

work? Did she get a phone call? Had threats

1:31:55

been made against her or her

1:31:57

family or something? Was she told to meet

1:31:59

someone? someone there. We'll

1:32:02

also talk in part three. A lot

1:32:05

of web sleuths have done some of their own

1:32:08

cell phone investigation and also running

1:32:10

plates to cars and not everything

1:32:12

matches up. So there's also speculation

1:32:15

that she didn't even have

1:32:17

her phone and that,

1:32:19

or if when that call

1:32:21

was made, she was not

1:32:24

at the state park. Yeah,

1:32:28

we'll talk about that in part three as well

1:32:30

as for the past

1:32:32

two weeks now, JP has been either

1:32:34

going live or posting videos. So speaking

1:32:37

of impeachment evidence, we'll talk about what effect

1:32:39

that might have on a future murder trial

1:32:42

as well as the timeline, I think, of

1:32:44

when charges will be filed and indictment and

1:32:46

then likely when a trial

1:32:48

would occur and for what? And

1:32:51

there's probably a 15 different

1:32:53

crimes, I think, and we'll talk about actions

1:32:55

that fit the definition of the statute, what

1:32:57

who should be investigating and what's going on. But

1:33:00

we'll save all that for part three. We're already

1:33:02

we've already given you so much to digest for

1:33:04

this week. Yeah, the last thing I'll say and

1:33:06

so what do we think is I saw

1:33:09

someone comment this or talk about this

1:33:11

and it got me thinking like what

1:33:15

a narcissist he is and

1:33:17

how he never

1:33:20

thought that this death would go viral

1:33:23

and that's what's bringing him down.

1:33:25

Much like Gabby Petito, much like

1:33:28

Murdoch, when these big

1:33:30

cases like this go viral and you

1:33:32

get way more people than just

1:33:34

the FBI or law enforcement looking at it and

1:33:36

talking about it, you're

1:33:38

done so, bro. And he's just such

1:33:41

a narcissist. He didn't think that anybody

1:33:43

would care that much about her.

1:33:45

And he underestimated not only her family's

1:33:47

love for her, but also the public

1:33:50

that people don't want to see someone

1:33:53

get away with something like this,

1:33:55

especially when such a

1:33:58

bright young woman who. who

1:34:00

deserved so much better is

1:34:02

the victim in all of this. And

1:34:05

it's like all the good she was gonna do, he

1:34:07

robbed us all of that, but then what all we

1:34:09

do is say, oh, there's a million of us to

1:34:11

take a little bit of what Micah was gonna do

1:34:13

and like, you're done, son.

1:34:16

You're done, you're done. You

1:34:19

may have silenced her, maybe in my

1:34:21

opinion, based upon the evidence, but

1:34:25

you can't silence the rest of us. And he has

1:34:27

a very bad habit in these of going, these

1:34:29

like so-called web sleuths. Why don't

1:34:31

you ask Paul Flores? What happens

1:34:34

when a podcaster looks at your

1:34:36

case? Ask Paul Flores how that went.

1:34:38

Oh my God, you can't, he's in jail for life.

1:34:40

And he got stabbed in jail. So good luck with

1:34:42

that is all I'm saying. He keeps just being like,

1:34:45

these people on the internet, I'm

1:34:47

like, people on the internet send people to jail

1:34:49

all the time, but you should be afraid. You should be

1:34:51

afraid of all of us. Yes, yeah, yeah. And

1:34:55

I think he will see his day

1:34:57

in court and hopefully by the

1:34:59

time we do bring you part three next week, maybe

1:35:03

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1:35:05

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1:35:07

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