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With an outpouring of support, Micah's family

0:34

began their quest for justice. Disappointed

0:36

with law enforcement, they eventually turned to

0:38

the media. Meanwhile, sworn

0:40

statements from JP's ex-wife and Micah's

0:43

siblings shone an even brighter light

0:45

on the pastor's alleged dark side.

0:48

A frustrated JP took to social media in

0:50

his own defense, but his videos

0:52

seemed to cause more questions than answers. With

0:55

the investigation still ongoing, will Micah

0:57

ever truly get justice? This

1:00

week's episode is Micah Miller, The Case

1:02

So Far, Part 3. A

1:10

bomb in the night, your heart

1:12

fills with dread. Probably

1:14

a murderer who wants you

1:16

dead. It could be a

1:18

ghost, a demon or worse.

1:20

Perhaps you're the victim of

1:22

a witch's curse. It's hopeless,

1:24

you're doomed. You'd call a

1:26

priest if you could. You'd

1:28

rather just listen to who?

1:31

Sinisterhood.

1:39

I'm gonna kill you. Well,

1:41

this idiot's ruined Spider-Man for me. Yeah,

1:44

man, get a- no, and back to

1:46

the future. Those aren't yours. We're taking

1:48

those back. All of us, collectively. You

1:50

don't get to- You don't get to

1:52

tell me about sad, okay? You don't get

1:54

to take two things that

1:57

I really liked and I

1:59

don't know. sometimes weave them into

2:01

this weird... Honestly,

2:05

I think while

2:08

Micah might have also been struggling with

2:10

mental illness, I

2:12

100% believe he is as well. And

2:15

I think he's starting to spiral and we might

2:17

even be seeing like a manic

2:19

episode which would explain the

2:21

bazaar walking around town in a full-ass

2:24

Spider-Man costume. Like you're in Times Square

2:27

waiting for someone to come take a

2:29

pic with you and driving around in

2:31

his DeLorean, which maybe

2:33

he's a collector of that

2:36

type of stuff. But read the

2:38

room, buddy. I don't think this is the time to

2:40

be doing that. And to clarify, this is after your

2:42

wife has been found. Yes. Yeah, yeah,

2:44

yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, yes. But that's

2:46

why I'm like, well, if you want

2:48

to walk around town and not be

2:50

harassed, I'll dress up like

2:52

Spider-Man. I'll cover my face. But I

2:56

just think you doordash, you know, whatever it is

2:58

you needed to do, just, but

3:00

if you're not in your right state

3:02

of mind, then I suppose maybe easier

3:05

said than done. Or it's a jab

3:07

at your ex-sister-in-law who owns the Children's Dress Up

3:09

Party Company that you and your sister worked for

3:11

at times that Mike had dressed up like Wonder

3:14

Woman based on pictures. I believe JP dressed up

3:16

as Spider-Man based on pictures. So one of the

3:18

Francis sisters had kind of like, and I had

3:20

a couple of friends ran a place like that

3:22

here in Dallas, they dressed up as like Disney

3:25

Princesses, Batman, Spider-Man. It was connected to all of

3:27

our magic time machine people because we already had

3:29

costumes. But there was a photo of them all

3:31

together where Mike is this Wonder Woman, and it

3:34

appears that one of her sisters ran

3:36

a company like this. So I wonder if

3:38

it's like, recognize this costume. I

3:40

still have it. Now I'm wearing it around. Or

3:43

like, this makes me feel even closer

3:45

to Mike because she was Wonder Woman

3:47

and I was Spider-Man. So I'm

3:49

wearing her diamond necklace under this too.

3:52

Yeah, AKA your JP impression.

3:54

Yeah, no. This

3:56

guy is hard. I never wanna say

3:59

I'm done. with this case because we

4:01

won't be I think even though this is part three

4:03

of our series and our coverage now like

4:05

with Ellen Greenberg who actually it was just her

4:08

birthday recently so if anyone's listening make sure you

4:10

go head over to the Justice for Ellen Greenberg

4:12

Facebook page and make sure you sign that change.org

4:14

petition to help her family but with cases like

4:16

that where Peggy Klinkie like we stay in our

4:19

heart they stay on our mind and especially when

4:21

it's like like Peggy like Micah

4:23

where we see this is a long-standing

4:26

social societal issue that we all and

4:28

these are just exemplary cases of

4:30

it of the most the worst possible outcome

4:32

of it I think that she'll stay on

4:34

our hearts but I will say for my

4:36

own mental health I don't have to look

4:39

at his dumb face or hear a stupid

4:41

voice now for work purposes at least not

4:43

you know as we change subjects and move

4:45

on but we will stay tuned

4:47

into the case but I don't have to

4:50

hear JP Miller talk which is great for

4:52

me yeah yeah but

4:54

he did do a lot of talking

4:56

and so much talk about that in

4:58

today's episode sometimes you

5:01

just can't keep your mouth

5:03

shut and when social

5:05

media is so big it doesn't

5:07

take long for everyone to see the stuff you

5:09

say and I'll give you all later in the

5:12

show my legal opinion on how that's gonna work

5:14

out for him well

5:17

before we get into that we

5:19

have got some dates

5:21

coming up soon we're gonna be

5:23

heading to Cincinnati Cleveland and Toronto

5:25

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5:27

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5:30

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5:32

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5:34

don't even release it on patreon it hasn't

5:36

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5:39

come see it you gotta come in person

5:41

but that's one of the things that makes

5:43

it so much fun is the live

5:45

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5:47

that we get to have with them yeah we'd

5:49

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5:52

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5:56

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5:58

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6:00

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6:02

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6:05

be going on? What has happened? What's up

6:07

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6:09

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6:11

It's a lot of different stuff and they're

6:13

astronauts. So come and find out. And like

6:15

Christy said, it's not stuff you'll hear on

6:17

the show. So in addition to Cincinnati, Cleveland,

6:20

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6:22

that we're headed to Kansas City, Oklahoma City,

6:24

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6:26

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6:28

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6:30

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6:32

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6:34

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6:37

on the road. Yes, hope to.

6:40

Well, I'm Christy. I'm Heather. And let's

6:43

get into it. Given

6:45

JP's bizarre sermon and the

6:48

suspicious circumstances surrounding Micah's death,

6:50

the public became interested almost

6:52

immediately. From TikTok and

6:55

YouTube to mainstream outlets like Law

6:57

& Crime and News Nation, the

6:59

story went viral. On

7:01

May 7th, the Robeson County Sheriff's Department

7:03

shared more details in a timeline of

7:05

the death investigation. In a

7:08

Facebook post, they addressed spreading rumors

7:10

and stressed the importance of making

7:12

decisions based on gathered evidence. A

7:15

brief thing that I just learned, Michael

7:17

Francis, Micah's father, had shared a Facebook

7:19

post from a gentleman who was

7:22

the videographer for Solid Rock and based

7:24

on his post, he indicated that he

7:26

thought it was weird when he filmed

7:28

it and that he received a text

7:30

from JP telling him, hey don't upload

7:32

that. And then he went ahead and

7:34

uploaded it anyway. What was it? The

7:36

video, the sermon. The sermon. Oh, that

7:38

sermon. I thought you just meant another

7:40

incident that he videoed. Yeah,

7:43

well, yeah. And he said, I did it anyway. Well,

7:45

he said, you know, I got this text. Yeah, say

7:47

and sit on it. And I had seen things and

7:49

he kind of made illusions. He's like, I'd seen things

7:52

on camera and off camera that made me feel like

7:54

people just needed to see this. And then he posted

7:56

it. And then a few weeks later, he's like, well,

7:58

I got a cease and desist letter. Well, guess

8:00

what? I'm not gonna cease and desist cause I'm

8:02

gonna tell the truth. And I'm like, oh, the

8:04

lawyers are gonna start working over time. So I

8:06

think this Rob is- Good for him though. Oh,

8:09

I think so. And the sheriff's department coming out and

8:11

saying like, we're gonna post our own version, what

8:14

we're about to lay out for you

8:16

all. I believe they edited their Facebook post nine

8:18

times. Well,

8:22

that seems sus. The

8:24

post confirmed the whereabouts of JP and

8:26

his alleged romantic partner, Susie Skinner. Both

8:29

were not in North Carolina on the night

8:31

before and the day of Micah's death. JP

8:34

claimed he was in Charleston, South

8:36

Carolina with Susie for an athletic

8:38

event. The department released a

8:40

photo of his vehicle on highway 17 bypass

8:43

in Orie County, South Carolina at

8:45

2.22 PM on the day of

8:48

Micah's death. However, the

8:50

truck's tinted windows prevented anyone inside the

8:52

vehicle from being seen. The

8:54

post also noted that JP was

8:57

accompanied on the trip. The

8:59

police accepted JP and his romantic

9:02

partner's word along with the single

9:04

photo of JP's truck. It's proof

9:06

he was not near Micah. However,

9:08

no images of JP at the athletic

9:11

event have been released and the police

9:13

haven't mentioned any such evidence. Micah's

9:16

family has publicly requested further evidence

9:18

of his alibi, but none has

9:20

surfaced so far. Which

9:25

you're telling me there's not one picture of this guy

9:27

at a sporting event? Yeah, or pictures

9:29

he took. And maybe there are in the

9:31

background of somebody's camp. I mean, maybe people

9:33

haven't gone through it or maybe

9:36

he wasn't there. Yeah, I was gonna say, didn't

9:38

that person get, he was at

9:40

a Mets game and he got filmed and they had even

9:42

accused of murder and they said, go back and look at

9:44

the footage I was at the game. From

9:46

Curb Your Enthusiasm. Yes, perhaps. There's a

9:49

whole documentary about it, it's crazy. It's a

9:51

good documentary. But it's like, you think, okay,

9:54

that's it? It's a picture of his car driving

9:57

down the highway and it does have tinted windows.

9:59

It is his truck. from what he said, from

10:01

what everybody said, I will be

10:03

interested as this investigation proceeds what

10:06

digital forensic evidence says he was at, where

10:08

it says he was at. And

10:10

also, not just, oh,

10:12

we need to track JP's phone, what I think

10:15

law enforcement should do is pull any

10:17

cell phone pings that are moving

10:19

in tandem with his phone and then if there was

10:21

a, say for instance,

10:23

if I had a burner phone in my real

10:26

cell phone, you would say, oh, Heather's phone is

10:28

going from here to the grocery store and back

10:30

home. Well then, if my phone stays at home

10:32

and then I take my burner phone to go

10:34

do something else, but if

10:36

I had it with me in my car this whole time,

10:38

you could track it with me to the grocery store and

10:40

back and then the burner phone separates. So I would say

10:42

any cell phone pings that are in or around his kind

10:44

of stuff should be pulled. Sheriff's

10:47

deputies met with the Francis family on May

10:49

7th. According to interviews

10:51

with her father, Michael, and sisters, Sierra

10:54

and Ana, the Sheriff's department spent less

10:56

than a half hour with the family

10:58

and rushed the meeting. For

11:00

instance, Ana described being shown footage of

11:02

Micah at the gas station as the

11:04

deputy asked to fast forward the footage

11:07

since it was over 20 minutes long.

11:10

That is a kick in the stomach. Yeah,

11:12

she said he goes, she's just like, she's

11:14

here for a while, can we just get

11:16

through this? And they were like, no, it's

11:18

the last minutes of our family members' life.

11:20

We'd like to see them. And

11:22

you should want to see them too for possible

11:24

clues. I mean, like anything.

11:28

One minute you pass, as we have

11:30

seen in the Karen

11:33

Reed trial, which is, they're

11:35

deliberating as we record this. Two

11:38

minutes of deleted footage or unseen footage could

11:41

make a world of difference. So watch the

11:43

entire thing. I don't care if she's

11:45

just standing there staring for 20 minutes, you

11:47

watch the whole thing. No, I agree.

11:49

And I think much like the Karen Reed

11:52

case, you see where investigators have a conclusion

11:54

and then they just take all the evidence and they try

11:56

to jam the square pegs in the round hole and go,

11:59

well, our conclusion is this. So look at our concludes

12:01

the Tory slideshow and it's like, that's not at

12:03

all a conclusory slideshow. That's not at all how

12:05

investigation works. You gather all the facts and then

12:07

from there you go, well now we're gonna find

12:09

what happened. But it's like second one. They were

12:11

like, well, we've decided it's this. Yeah,

12:14

they decided right off the

12:16

bat it was suicide and no

12:18

other alternative was looked at. The

12:22

PowerPoint presentation deputies prepared was

12:24

centered around the theory that

12:26

Micah's death was undoubtedly a

12:28

suicide. The family asked for

12:31

further investigation of other leads and theories,

12:33

but instead were told it was a

12:35

suicide and that JP had an

12:37

alibi. Not

12:40

finding any relief from law enforcement, the

12:42

Francis family turned to the media. Journalists

12:45

uncovered public records of JP's alleged

12:47

mistreatment of Micah in his long

12:49

criminal history. Two weeks

12:52

after her death, police records were

12:54

released revealing that GPS trackers had

12:56

been reported on Micah's vehicles four

12:58

times in recent months. JP

13:00

admitted in texts and emails that

13:03

he had engaged PIs to track

13:05

Micah via GPS. Although

13:08

JP denied any and all allegations

13:11

of abuse through his attorney and

13:13

messages obtained by news nations, Rich

13:15

McHugh, JP admitted to putting

13:17

GPS trackers on Micah's vehicles and posting

13:19

a nude photo of Micah on the

13:22

internet as a form of revenge. Yeah,

13:26

all this stuff starts coming out and JP's

13:28

response through his attorney is none of that

13:30

ever, ever happened. It never, ever, ever happened.

13:32

I never put a razor in her tire.

13:34

I never tracked her. I never did anything.

13:36

Well, then he starts texting Rich McHugh going,

13:39

he's texting Rich McHugh going, well, yeah, I did

13:41

some of that. Yeah, I did get a GPS.

13:43

Yeah, I did some of that. Separately from

13:45

that, Rich McHugh obtained through sources. I have to

13:48

imagine it's her family and or Regina

13:50

Ward, her attorney, obtained through

13:52

sources, email chains in which JP says,

13:54

listen, I was just tracking you for your own good. It was

13:57

just the PR. Listen, I did the thing with the tire, but

13:59

I feel really bad. about it. And yes, I

14:01

posted the photo. I feel bad. So to me

14:03

he has, but it was only online for one

14:05

hour and it was only because you had brought

14:07

up my past transgressions and I was hurting and

14:10

I wanted you to hurt. So everything is very,

14:12

um, well, yeah, I did it,

14:14

but it was your fault that I did it. Them

14:16

doing that, him saying that it's in

14:18

direct opposition to everything he says verbally, he'll come

14:20

out verbally and say, why never ever did that?

14:22

And it's like, you've texted a reporter

14:25

and also we have separate individual evidence.

14:27

So to me, when JP says, Oh,

14:29

I'll clear my name. I'm like,

14:31

you have zero credibility because we

14:33

know you straight up lie about

14:35

provable facts. He reversed

14:38

what you should do, which is

14:41

you talk about those things. You don't put

14:43

it in writing, but instead he was putting

14:45

in writing all the stuff he had done,

14:47

but then verbally, you know,

14:50

claiming he did, didn't do anything. And it's

14:52

like, buddy, what did you think

14:54

was going to happen with all these texts? You

14:56

think screenshots aren't, I mean, you're talking to a

14:58

journalist. Do you think something's not going to be

15:00

done with this? Yeah. He's definitely going to put

15:03

it on the news. Yeah. I'm sure he was

15:05

thrilled when those texts came through. You got a

15:07

huge case that you just broke open. Micah's

15:11

sister, Sierra shared texts and

15:13

Snapchat screenshots showing JP threatening

15:15

the Francis family. When

15:18

Micah stayed with them in November of 2022, JP

15:21

texted Sierra saying he was on

15:23

his way and warning, I'm armed.

15:25

I'm ready. He

15:27

challenged her to call the cops

15:30

when she asked him not to come. The

15:32

911 calls Sierra made begging police

15:35

for help also became public. We

15:38

should also note that JP was a

15:40

felon convicted of hitting a woman with

15:42

his vehicle, ran her

15:44

over, drove her a hundred feet. He

15:47

then had to go in front of the South Carolina

15:49

part and parole board and asked to get his gun

15:51

rights reinstated in 2022. If I'm not mistaken, that's

15:54

the year he did that. Said he needed it

15:57

to protect his family, gets a gun in his

15:59

hand. immediately starts committing domestic violence with

16:01

the very gun that he obtained through fraud, by

16:03

the way, because he lied under oath to the

16:05

pardon and parole board. I heard the audio myself

16:08

and he goes, it was like a hurricane, there

16:10

was a bunch of water. I splashed someone with

16:12

the water with my car. I don't understand why

16:14

I got charged with a violent crime and the

16:16

guy goes. He said that was what happened instead

16:19

of a woman on

16:21

his hood that he drove? For 100 yards. For

16:23

100 feet? Correct, yeah, he said, oh no, no, no. He

16:25

didn't even say no, no. He said, oh, your honor,

16:27

it wasn't even really a violent crime. There

16:30

was this misunderstanding. There was some water that I

16:32

splashed and the judge said, oh,

16:34

well, we're not here to re-litigate the case. I

16:36

just want to know how you've changed. And him

16:39

and his attorney are like, he's a minister now.

16:41

He's an angel. I'm like, he molested a bunch

16:43

of kids in the middle of that according to

16:45

his ex-wife, but okay. But to

16:47

see how vital it is that we keep guns out

16:50

of the hands of domestic abusers, here is a

16:52

domestic abuser who lied and fraudulently obtained, in

16:54

my opinion, fraudulently obtained to get his gun

16:56

back and immediately used it for what we

16:58

think that they're going to use it for,

17:01

which is not protection. No,

17:04

when things like that happen, I just

17:08

look at the justice system and say

17:10

like, why do we have laws in

17:12

place? When this is what, it

17:14

doesn't matter. And I've watched so much

17:17

footage of him talking

17:19

to people where he's sometimes

17:22

deliberately trying to win them over.

17:24

I think because of his narcissistic

17:26

personality, he's just, it's

17:29

ingrained in him to always like kind of, be

17:32

on and affable and

17:34

charming and stuff. But it's so

17:37

inauthentic, but also I can

17:40

see how it would work. I mean, he

17:42

for a living, basically,

17:44

I mean, he's a pastor. He

17:47

does sermons, but he's spewing

17:50

his own rhetoric up there

17:52

and convincing people of

17:54

things that he believes. So

17:58

when he goes on TikTok or in front of... of

18:00

a judge and does all

18:02

that, like sometimes it is effective.

18:04

I mean, obviously it was effective because

18:06

he had multiple victims over his life

18:08

that fell into his trap. No, you're

18:10

a hundred percent right. And the audio,

18:12

he's like, your honor, I am just,

18:15

I've really changed. And he starts listing

18:17

off everything the church did, but he's

18:19

taking credit for it. You know, we've got these missions

18:21

and da da da da. And it's like, yeah, that

18:23

stuff's all happening despite the fact that you're banging a

18:26

bunch of parishioners. I don't know. Like,

18:28

I don't know what a bunch of, more than zero. I

18:30

am grooming teens. 14 year olds, which

18:34

came first, you know? Like, did you create

18:36

these things because you wanted to be able

18:38

to in court to say, look

18:40

at all the wonderful things I'm doing.

18:43

And I think also often people fall

18:45

back on religion

18:47

and doing religious things as

18:50

proof that like, I am

18:52

the most holy person that

18:55

could never do any wrong when it's like, it's

18:57

2024. Like, are

19:00

we really gonna keep that straight

19:02

up? Anybody can do anything. And

19:04

oftentimes that's used as a cover,

19:07

which I believe he and both his,

19:09

he and his father used spiritual

19:11

abuse and their religious power within the

19:13

community to abuse people. So I would

19:15

say it just

19:18

grosses me out and it pisses me off

19:20

that he thinks that that's such a good

19:22

defense when it's like, this

19:24

is just all a smokescreen. So

19:26

you can get away with doing

19:29

what you're doing and get a gun issued

19:31

back to you and then immediately go

19:33

and threaten your wife's family with

19:35

it. No, and that's why in my opinion,

19:37

if you've ever committed one incidence of domestic

19:40

violence, if you're convicted or in his case

19:42

plead guilty to it, you never get a

19:44

gun again. You don't get a gun again

19:46

ever. You just don't. Well, isn't it, shouldn't

19:48

we? No, don't hit people, don't domestic violence

19:50

and then you can keep a gun. But

19:52

like the pardon, because clearly it can be

19:54

obtained through fraud. Yeah,

19:57

I would argue they're... There

20:00

are probably times when

20:03

victims of domestic violence have

20:05

been charged with their

20:07

own domestic violence because they're trying to

20:09

defend themselves. And I wouldn't

20:12

want them to suffer the same

20:14

consequences of not being able to get a gun to

20:16

defend themselves if they had a charge of domestic violence

20:19

on their record. That's a good point if he turned

20:21

the tables and said, oh, well, she did this to

20:23

me and you have somebody that believes them. That's a

20:25

fair point. It's like, why did one single judge be

20:27

like, I believe you? And that's

20:29

it. All it takes is

20:32

one. You never know. I mean, yes,

20:34

they all take oaths and all

20:36

that, but at the end of the day, there

20:38

are also people and we hope that they're unbiased.

20:40

But if you've been watching this Karen Reed case,

20:43

in my opinion, that is not

20:46

the case. They are people at

20:48

the end of the day and they also make

20:50

mistakes and have their own biases. Yeah. Mm

20:53

hmm. Sinisterhood

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21:08

the day. I've become a vampire because it's

21:10

just too hot. Right. And most

21:12

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21:15

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21:17

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Micah's family, the Robeson County Sheriff's

23:01

Department announced on May 15th that

23:03

the FBI had begun investigating the

23:05

case. Per Bureau policy,

23:07

the FBI has not confirmed that

23:09

it is investigating, but other law

23:11

enforcement sources confirmed to News Nation

23:14

that the South Carolina division is

23:16

on the case. And

23:18

her family and attorney has said, send

23:20

your tips to the FBI so they're clearly

23:22

involved. And if I was JP, I would

23:24

shit my pants every day, every hour on

23:27

the hour forever. That's why he's

23:29

got that Spider-Man costume on

23:31

and just write in it. Just collect

23:33

it, yeah. Is this sled the same

23:35

that got involved with Murdoch? Is that

23:37

who's calling him in or above them?

23:39

This is the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

23:41

This is not even state investigators. What

23:43

you have now is the FBI- The

23:46

South Carolina division of the federal, of

23:49

the FBI. Yes, but

23:51

their jurisdiction is federal. The

23:53

FBI has branches, like we have a Dallas office and

23:56

a Chicago office, but they don't answer to the state

23:58

governor. They answer to the Department of Justice. I

52:00

haven't even started that yet. I

52:05

didn't know that you pencil in

52:07

scheduled times to grieve. In my

52:09

experience, it just kind of happens

52:11

when it happens. I think, I mean, what's

52:13

your like, if you have like a room

52:15

that's like, I don't know, nine by nine

52:17

and you're not allowed to leave it for

52:19

23 hours out of the day, you grieve

52:21

a lot. You probably grieve a lot of

52:23

different things. Your deceased loved ones, your career,

52:25

your life, your money, your family, your freedom,

52:28

but that'll be, I don't know, a year or so

52:30

from now. But the- But what an odd thing to

52:32

be like, I haven't even been able to grieve. Me,

52:35

me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me,

52:37

me, me, me, me, that's all he says the

52:39

whole time. Me, me, me, me, me, me, attention,

52:41

attention, me. But yes, he's sitting there, it's obnoxious

52:43

to watch. And he's like a boomer looking at

52:45

the phone. He's like, are all these people watching

52:47

me? How cool. What is,

52:50

is this TikTok? How many people

52:52

are saying this right now? And

52:55

at the iPhone, Guru was like, yeah,

52:57

they're all typing it on their phone

52:59

right now. And Justin is very respectful.

53:02

Both of, both the creators are very

53:04

respectful towards JP, which

53:07

I think is why he agreed to even do

53:09

this and why he wouldn't give Robbie Harvey an

53:11

interview and offers multiple

53:13

times, like we can turn off all these

53:15

comments. JP is such

53:17

a boomer that he doesn't

53:20

realize that they have turned off comments or

53:22

they have things set up to block comments.

53:24

Well, he's just reading out loud the blocked

53:26

comments because he didn't know, not everybody else

53:29

can see him. So he's like, somebody

53:31

said, can we see your pupils? And then

53:34

at the iPhone Guru was like, yeah, that's

53:36

blocked. So no one else can see that

53:38

only we can see that. So he's like,

53:40

you did shit. Reading them out. But yeah,

53:43

guess what? He, that person

53:45

commenting wasn't the only one asking to see. No, no,

53:47

no, no, no. Cause it was like, cause it's his

53:49

manner of speech. It's kind of how we stand in

53:51

and talking and stuff. And I, you know,

53:53

where did he come from that night? And he, you

53:55

know, did you roll in from, he's been described when

53:57

he went out with Susie Skinner, the couple of days.

1:18:00

communications. She wrote, JP took her cell phone,

1:18:02

went through her text messages and call logs

1:18:04

and claims he found 18 people

1:18:06

that had texted her that they were willing

1:18:08

to listen to her if she ever wanted

1:18:10

to talk about JP, which he admitted this

1:18:12

in a sermon. He also hacked her email,

1:18:14

her iCloud, her Facebook account took over her

1:18:17

identity. He controlled who she could associate with.

1:18:19

He deprived her of social

1:18:21

support services. So she

1:18:23

wanted to try to get like a lawyer and he's like,

1:18:25

you don't need your own lawyer, you can use mine. Expressing

1:18:29

her worthlessness, humiliating, degrading her,

1:18:32

calling her not smart, telling her or others

1:18:34

that she just fell for everything and she

1:18:36

just wasn't smart and uploading

1:18:38

the nude photo, preventing disclosure to

1:18:40

authorities when she would say

1:18:42

that she was going to expose JP, he would

1:18:44

abuse her even more, tell her that she was

1:18:46

not a Christian, not a dutiful wife, that she

1:18:48

was acting like a judge. Financial

1:18:50

abuse, it says that he paid her less

1:18:52

than minimum wage for more than full time

1:18:55

work, removed her from bank accounts and told

1:18:57

her she did not know how to manage

1:18:59

money. However, he also required her to pay

1:19:01

her own car payment, car insurance and medical

1:19:03

bills, threatening her family physically,

1:19:05

threatening to publish private information, assault. He

1:19:07

punched holes in the wall, it says

1:19:09

that he threatened her with a gun,

1:19:13

rape, it says that he demanded she

1:19:15

have sex with him while she lied

1:19:18

in the hospital bed and that

1:19:20

he forced her to

1:19:22

perform sexual acts against her will, demanded that she

1:19:24

watch him in sexual acts with others, forced her

1:19:26

to sit still so that others could touch her

1:19:29

body against her will. He

1:19:31

told her and preached on Sunday that if

1:19:33

she did not submit to his every request

1:19:35

for sex in any manner he desired, then

1:19:37

if it was her fault if he got

1:19:39

his needs fulfilled by another woman or man,

1:19:41

that is verbatim what was written, preventing

1:19:43

her from transportation slash in tires and

1:19:46

interfering with work, he would fire her

1:19:48

from the church for disobeying him. The

1:19:50

other 16 things she

1:19:52

listed was emotional abuse, ignoring

1:19:55

requests to leave her alone,

1:19:57

it says that she

1:19:59

asked him over. saying,

1:22:01

my silence is nothing more than wisdom and

1:22:03

self control so that we can win the

1:22:05

war that is up ahead. He

1:22:07

insulted two TikTokers by name, then promised, we're

1:22:09

going to find out who's responsible for my

1:22:11

wife's death and Michael will have justice when

1:22:13

it's all said and done. I'm going to

1:22:16

make sure of it. Over

1:22:18

the course of six videos posted on

1:22:20

the true crime re TikTok page, JP

1:22:23

appeared jovial in some moments and nervous

1:22:25

or sniffing in others. The

1:22:27

video labeled part two began with, tonight's

1:22:30

video is going to be a little

1:22:32

lighthearted before JP said

1:22:34

his goal is to debunk a

1:22:36

new lie every night. I

1:22:40

don't think lighthearted and going

1:22:42

live to discuss your wife's

1:22:46

suicide should really be

1:22:48

in the same sentence. I

1:22:51

don't know if I was going to talk

1:22:53

about that. I wouldn't go stand in front

1:22:55

of Elwood, the life size Elwood statue. No

1:22:57

shade to people who have life size statues

1:22:59

in their house. I've got two of them.

1:23:01

But if I'm making a very serious video

1:23:03

to make statements about allegations against me or

1:23:06

something serious that happened to my family, I'm not

1:23:08

going to go and stand in front of Elwood

1:23:10

Blues in my kitchen. And it's strange that he's

1:23:12

like angled himself, but a psychologist on TikTok is

1:23:14

like, well, you know, if you're trying to make

1:23:17

it seem less serious, that's like one way to do

1:23:19

it is kind of staying in front of it. I

1:23:22

got the impression he, I don't know, maybe

1:23:25

that was like his office or something. It

1:23:27

seemed like it was like, I thought,

1:23:30

oh, this must be where he, like

1:23:32

in the movies, how Tony

1:23:34

Stark has like an area where his

1:23:36

suit is kept. Yeah. This must be

1:23:38

where he keeps his Spiderman suit, like

1:23:40

standing up on some kind of a,

1:23:42

you know, a mold or something. But

1:23:45

yeah, there's another video where he's wearing

1:23:47

a Back to the Future t-shirt. And

1:23:49

he's, if you're watching on YouTube, you can see he's

1:23:52

got his arm draped

1:23:54

up over his head, like in this casual,

1:23:56

like, like you would watch TV, you know?

1:24:00

put on a fucking collared

1:24:02

shirt and have some dignity. Like, you

1:24:04

know what I mean? Present yourself like

1:24:06

you want to be taken and it

1:24:08

seems like he doesn't want to be

1:24:11

taken seriously because he looks like

1:24:13

just, I

1:24:16

don't know, like somebody that's

1:24:18

going live from their mom's basement with

1:24:21

all their shit around them. Two or three of

1:24:23

the videos, he's driving in a car. He's not

1:24:25

just sitting in his car. He's physically moving, you

1:24:27

can see the road and he's behind the wheel.

1:24:30

So he's also sniffing like the accountant in Seinfeld,

1:24:32

which he later said in one of the videos,

1:24:34

I have a tick since childhood, but everyone's like,

1:24:37

he's like, so then I did, I

1:24:39

was a, and it's like, well, that's a

1:24:42

little noticeable, but he says it's a tick. So that's

1:24:44

what he said. But yeah, you're

1:24:46

right. The unserious nature is really what

1:24:48

throws you off about him. It

1:24:51

does, yeah, it's unsettling. During

1:24:54

a video posted June 11th, labeled part

1:24:56

three, a casual looking JP

1:24:58

talked more about his tattoos, this

1:25:01

time alleging that he and Micah got

1:25:03

symbolic couples tattoos at her suggestion. According

1:25:06

to JP, Micah wanted him to get a

1:25:08

tattoo of her signature, which he did. JP

1:25:11

claimed Micah wanted a thick band tattooed

1:25:14

on her left ring finger, so

1:25:16

that when she wasn't wearing her wedding ring,

1:25:18

people would still know she was married. JP

1:25:21

told viewers, that's not something that

1:25:23

someone who's being abused does. That's

1:25:26

not true. Not at all. Also,

1:25:29

I don't, this is speculation,

1:25:31

but it probably wasn't her idea

1:25:33

to get a tattoo, something on

1:25:35

your hand that is permanent, for

1:25:38

the most part, you know? No, and you also.

1:25:40

To show you belong to somebody. No, true, and

1:25:42

in a cycle of abuse, we have a honeymoon

1:25:44

stage where you do feel like, oh, finally, it's

1:25:46

all better, it's in love, I'll get the tattoo

1:25:48

and that'll fix everything. So you can't say, oh,

1:25:50

a person that's abused never does something that shows

1:25:53

they love their abuser. We do it all the

1:25:55

time. Yeah, or she

1:25:57

was coerced into that, and it wasn't even her idea to

1:25:59

begin with. In

1:26:02

this same video, JP addressed critics who

1:26:04

slammed him for delivering a sermon the

1:26:06

day after his wife's tragic death, explaining

1:26:08

that despite multiple people telling him it

1:26:10

was a bad idea, he ultimately

1:26:13

proceeded. Because at first, I didn't

1:26:15

believe it. Lamenting that

1:26:17

he had spent the past three and

1:26:19

a half months doing everything I could to keep her

1:26:21

alive. And that no one

1:26:23

would believe him when he said she would kill

1:26:25

herself without her lithium. Further

1:26:28

painting himself as the victim, the disgraced

1:26:30

pastor added, I'm sure you can

1:26:32

imagine what a failure I felt like. Me,

1:26:35

me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me.

1:26:38

JP then switched tactics, saying that

1:26:40

at the time, he thought the

1:26:43

news about Micah's death wasn't true,

1:26:45

accusing her family of tricking me

1:26:47

or something. He then

1:26:49

changed his tune again, explaining that if the news was

1:26:51

true, I don't want to deal with it. I don't

1:26:53

really want to do anything. I just want to keep

1:26:55

living my life as if it never happened. JP

1:26:59

said he told his parishioners not to

1:27:01

discuss the announcement of Micah's death, because

1:27:03

he didn't want anybody to be

1:27:05

talking about, you know, mental illness or asking me

1:27:07

questions. I wanted them to leave and go talk

1:27:10

to Jesus about it and then talk to me

1:27:12

at some later date. I was not prepared to

1:27:14

deal with it all. I'm sure you cannot imagine

1:27:16

what it's like to be trying your best to

1:27:18

keep somebody alive and then find out they passed.

1:27:22

Me, me, me, me, me. I'm going to

1:27:24

throw up in my lap. This is so... Oh,

1:27:26

man. What

1:27:29

irritates me the most is that

1:27:31

he thinks he's being suave and

1:27:33

smooth and like nobody can see

1:27:35

through this bullshit facade that he's

1:27:37

putting on, you know, sandwiching like

1:27:40

these... Well,

1:27:43

I'm doing her a favor. I didn't even want

1:27:45

to be... But also at the same time, again,

1:27:47

planting the seed of mental illness.

1:27:49

She wasn't well. She did this

1:27:51

herself. I didn't know how to deal with it.

1:27:54

And as far as I don't want to deal with

1:27:56

it, I don't want to deal with anything. I just

1:27:58

want to keep living my life. as if

1:28:00

it never happened. Yikes. Wouldn't

1:28:03

her family like to be able to

1:28:06

say those things? You know, I mean,

1:28:09

you don't get that luxury. And

1:28:11

then of course he ends it

1:28:13

again with, well, you just don't

1:28:15

know what it's like to be me. This burden

1:28:17

I'm carrying. I mean, it's amazing that I'm even

1:28:19

standing up here. I should be, you know,

1:28:22

given an award for that. Yeah.

1:28:24

Yeah. JP

1:28:26

posted several more videos, including one in

1:28:29

which he explained how he and True

1:28:31

Crime Re got connected. Allegedly,

1:28:33

JP received multiple offers to tell

1:28:35

his story from people all over

1:28:37

the world. He said, True

1:28:40

Crime Re called me and she had

1:28:42

no ulterior motives whatsoever. He

1:28:44

claims she started by being very kind to

1:28:46

me. He wanted to

1:28:49

share his story to help himself heal and

1:28:51

his lawyer approved him sharing bits and pieces.

1:28:54

However, after this video on June 19th,

1:28:56

no further videos of JP have been

1:28:58

shared on the page or elsewhere. I

1:29:01

also ran that profile photo of True Crime

1:29:03

Re through a couple of websites that

1:29:05

tell you if an image is AI generated and it's either

1:29:07

67% likely that it is

1:29:09

or 91% likely that it is

1:29:12

AI generated. Those are two very different percentages. I

1:29:14

think the websites are like, I can't really, it's

1:29:16

blurry, but it's over 50% likely

1:29:18

that it's AI generated. True Crime Re has

1:29:20

not said, hi everybody, my name's Rebecca and

1:29:22

I'm here to tell you that I'm actually

1:29:24

True Crime Re and JP called me and

1:29:26

it's all been videos of him and then

1:29:28

some things about a different case. So people

1:29:30

can't really tell if it's a real

1:29:33

person. Dr. Leslie Dobson is a

1:29:35

TikToker with a pretty large following and she

1:29:37

made a strange video that True Crime Re

1:29:39

reposted in which she seems, Dr. Leslie Dobson

1:29:42

seems to be anti JP. She seems to

1:29:44

be calling out traits that she thinks, you

1:29:46

know, jive with narcissism, yada, yada. But she

1:29:48

said, just want to say my PI confirmed

1:29:51

that True Crime Re is a real person,

1:29:53

but if people keep messing with the account,

1:29:55

quote, you will lose access to JP. So

1:29:58

she never said it wasn't him. She just

1:30:00

said she confirmed it was a real person,

1:30:02

but these, the videos are obviously JP and

1:30:04

they're new and they're answering comments. So

1:30:07

it's not, but it's not answering comments using

1:30:09

like the TikTok feature. It's strange how they're

1:30:11

edited, but I'm curious to

1:30:13

know who True Crime Re is. They posted a

1:30:15

video of, it's a CapCut

1:30:17

generated green screen video of a

1:30:19

picture of JP preaching. And then

1:30:22

you use it to make an

1:30:24

AI generated JP and he's

1:30:26

like twerking and dancing. It's weird. It's

1:30:29

so weird. I'll post it on our social media. I

1:30:31

can't explain it, but it's like, what

1:30:34

is, if you're like trying to help the

1:30:36

case, what are these weird videos? Like a

1:30:38

funny picture of JP dancing. To me that's,

1:30:40

that screams something JP would post because he

1:30:42

thought it was cute of himself, but.

1:30:44

Made himself look good. Yeah, he claims that it's a

1:30:46

whole other person, but I'd be fascinated to find out

1:30:48

if that, if True Crime Re exists and if she

1:30:50

does or he does, or she does, he

1:30:52

genders her as a she, who she is. I'm

1:30:56

curious what, because it's spelled

1:30:59

R-I, True Crime

1:31:01

R-I, but it's pronounced Re. What

1:31:04

that Re, what the R-I

1:31:06

is. Yeah, Re-anna, Rhode Island. But

1:31:09

I mean, I was trying to think like,

1:31:11

if he made this, like what could that possibly

1:31:14

be the beginning

1:31:16

to? Yeah, I understand for. But yeah, all these

1:31:19

videos are just him lying in line. He's like,

1:31:21

she went deep in schizophrenia. She was delusional and

1:31:23

said I slashed her tires, but I didn't and

1:31:25

it's like, again man, why are we listening to

1:31:27

you just lying on our faces? We know he

1:31:29

did, dipshit. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah,

1:31:31

he's like, she said I stalked her, sent a

1:31:33

naked picture, things I didn't do. She was delusional

1:31:35

and it's like, bitch, yes you did. Yes,

1:31:37

you did. Yeah, thereby, she's

1:31:39

not delusional. She was being

1:31:41

very honest. On

1:31:44

June 21st, it was reported that JP had

1:31:46

filed a motion in court to seal all

1:31:49

documents related to the pending divorce case. The

1:31:52

motion stated it was intended to protect

1:31:54

Micah's public image, which JP claimed was

1:31:56

at risk of being tarnished due to.

1:31:58

Evidence of her mental illness. illness, medical

1:32:00

neglect, and or criminal behavior. JP

1:32:04

argued that sealing the records

1:32:06

would avoid unnecessary prejudice or

1:32:08

embarrassment for both himself

1:32:10

and Micah as well as his minor children

1:32:12

and the church. He also

1:32:14

claimed it would ensure a fair trial.

1:32:17

A hearing on the matter has been set for September.

1:32:21

At the same time, screenshots began

1:32:24

circulating online of texts allegedly from

1:32:26

JP. The messages

1:32:28

appeared to be soliciting damning information

1:32:30

about YouTubers and TikTokers who had

1:32:32

criticized him. Along with

1:32:34

the text, a photo of a solid

1:32:37

rock check was posted, showing the memo

1:32:39

marked "...fenevolence." The

1:32:42

funds were allegedly used to pay sources

1:32:44

of damning information. Though

1:32:46

the sender of the text and the purpose

1:32:48

of the check have not been verified, the

1:32:50

information was sent to the FBI as part

1:32:52

of its investigation. Someone

1:32:54

else also came forward and said, I don't know if

1:32:56

it was a coworker or somebody that knew Micah that

1:32:59

said, I was going to go forward, but I got

1:33:01

this text allegedly from JP saying you might want to

1:33:03

think twice before you come forward. So again, it's like,

1:33:06

if he is, I don't know that he is, these could

1:33:08

all be fake and made up, but if he is either

1:33:10

texting, asking for damning information about

1:33:12

content creators or not so

1:33:15

subtly, subtly threatening witnesses, oh,

1:33:17

stop it, sir. Throw

1:33:19

your phone in the ocean and don't get a

1:33:21

phone or the internet. I don't know

1:33:24

why I'm trying to help him, but it's just like,

1:33:26

I think from the criminal defense attorney perspective, I'm

1:33:28

always like, what are you

1:33:30

doing? You're doing more crimes so

1:33:32

publicly. Especially you, you've now involved

1:33:34

the church too and church funds,

1:33:36

which adds an extra layer of,

1:33:38

I don't know,

1:33:40

embezzlement, fraud, misappropriation of funds, whatever

1:33:43

it might be. But

1:33:45

if he also sent that, I mean, there is

1:33:47

a picture of a solid rock, what looks to

1:33:49

be a solid rock check with this written out.

1:33:54

Somebody had to have written it. Yeah. And

1:33:56

for what? Like I said, it may be it's an unrelated check

1:33:58

and everyone's making it all up. I don't if

1:34:00

I was going to make up a fake internet lie, I

1:34:02

would not also then call the FBI and be like, I'm

1:34:05

trying to tell him myself. I'd be like, I got this

1:34:07

weird message. Maybe it's a hoax. You figure it out. On

1:34:11

Monday, June 24th, the medical examiner's report

1:34:13

in the case was made public. The

1:34:16

report noted two spent shell casings and

1:34:18

a live round were found on the

1:34:20

riverbank. The gun was discovered in

1:34:22

the water five feet from the riverbank

1:34:24

using a magnet. Micah's

1:34:27

body was found in the river, submerged

1:34:29

face down about 100 feet

1:34:31

from the casings. Despite being

1:34:33

found in a prone position face down,

1:34:36

liver mortis was noted in the posterior.

1:34:39

One of the first stages of death,

1:34:41

liver mortis is the process where blood

1:34:44

pools and dependent tissues following cessation of

1:34:46

the circulation, according to Science Direct, and

1:34:48

occurs between one to two hours after

1:34:51

a person has died. 911 call

1:34:53

was at 254 and then they

1:34:55

eventually the kayaker and everything found

1:34:58

her body around four o'clock, if

1:35:01

I'm recalling correctly. So I think, you know,

1:35:03

perhaps it could be the lividity being on

1:35:05

her posterior on her back would be because

1:35:07

they took her out and lied her on

1:35:09

the riverbank for however long as they secured

1:35:11

the scene and stuff. But

1:35:14

also she would have been at

1:35:16

least an hour and a half, almost two hours face

1:35:19

down in the water. I don't know. It's,

1:35:21

uh, it's just strange. The

1:35:23

scene in general, I need a diagram is

1:35:26

what I told you yesterday. I was like,

1:35:28

being 100 feet from two spent shell casings

1:35:30

and then the gun was in the water

1:35:32

and then she's a hundred feet from that.

1:35:37

It I, I'm trying to

1:35:39

map it all out in my head and

1:35:41

no, it doesn't make sense to me either.

1:35:43

Yeah. To have the gun, the gun is

1:35:45

five feet from the riverbank. So it's not

1:35:47

like that. I don't

1:35:49

know where she was standing, I guess is my question. And

1:35:51

it's, you know, you sort of have

1:35:53

to get into these gruesome final moments

1:35:55

of where everybody was. But if you're,

1:35:57

um, and

1:36:00

you make that call and say, I want my family to be able to find

1:36:02

me. And then the incident happens

1:36:04

on the bank of the river. I don't see why

1:36:06

the gun would not have fallen next

1:36:09

to the shell casings. Why the gun would

1:36:11

have been chucked five feet from

1:36:14

the river bank submerged down in water such that they had to search

1:36:17

and use a magnet to get it out. I

1:36:21

also don't know how she would

1:36:24

wind up in the water. Correct. Face

1:36:26

down submerged with a log over her body is

1:36:28

what her sister said based on crime

1:36:31

scene photos. The medical examiner's report does

1:36:33

indicate she was submerged face down a

1:36:35

hundred feet from shell casings. And

1:36:38

Johnny Jacobs as well as the kayaker said

1:36:40

it was stagnant non-moving water. They called it

1:36:42

a slew. It was not a rushing river.

1:36:44

It's like a pond-esque thing, which

1:36:47

I mean, I guess there can be

1:36:49

some movement, but it's

1:36:51

interesting too to have two spent shell

1:36:53

casings. Yeah, and a live

1:36:55

round. And a live round, yeah, ejected. So

1:36:59

that's one of the things I noticed was the lividity I thought was

1:37:01

kind of weird. The whole

1:37:03

crime scene of the placement of

1:37:05

things does not make sense

1:37:07

to me. Yeah. If

1:37:09

that is your expertise and you can

1:37:12

make sense of it, we would love to hear because trying

1:37:14

to map all of that out doesn't

1:37:18

seem like it's

1:37:20

even possible because

1:37:22

once a person shoots

1:37:26

a person and

1:37:30

they're gonna follow where that happened. And

1:37:34

typically in these scenes, the gun is

1:37:36

either still in their hand or

1:37:39

near them. And that was

1:37:41

not the case here. Yeah, I don't

1:37:43

understand how you have shell casings which

1:37:45

are on or near the riverbank in the

1:37:48

ground. And then yeah, have everything be separated

1:37:50

by five feet and then by another hundred

1:37:52

feet. It doesn't. Yeah, unless

1:37:54

there is rushing water where

1:37:56

a body would be moved by the force

1:37:58

of that. The weapon could be

1:38:01

moved by the force of that. Which did not

1:38:03

seem to be the case here, so yeah. The

1:38:08

report noted close skull fractures, two

1:38:10

black eyes, wounds on her hands,

1:38:13

and a gunshot wound above her right ear,

1:38:15

with an exit wound above her left. The

1:38:18

report noted a recent prescription for

1:38:20

hydroxyzine for anxiety issued two days

1:38:22

before her death. Authorities

1:38:24

found no concern for foul play,

1:38:26

and an autopsy was deemed unnecessary.

1:38:29

There is no mention of JPA requesting

1:38:32

an autopsy, despite him claiming he asked

1:38:34

for one. Although he was

1:38:36

entitled to request one under North Carolina

1:38:38

law. Kind

1:39:00

of size differential between the entry wound and

1:39:02

the exit wound is being meaningful. I don't

1:39:04

know enough about that to comment on it,

1:39:06

but if you're a forensic pathologist or medical

1:39:08

examiner or something, and you want to take

1:39:11

a look and let us know. Trajectory? Yeah,

1:39:13

or like which one was the entry

1:39:15

wound, which one was the exit wound, just

1:39:18

based on the sizing. But I think

1:39:20

that's just people's conjecture. And the black

1:39:22

eyes, I think, are a result of

1:39:24

that, just massive trauma internally to your

1:39:26

head whenever you do suffer a gunshot

1:39:29

wound. But the hands on the wounds

1:39:31

are described as scratches on her hands

1:39:33

from Briar and Bramble pulling her out

1:39:35

of the water. So it's interesting that

1:39:38

the medical examiner's report wrote that those

1:39:40

injuries were from being pulled from

1:39:42

the river. Whereas her sister said,

1:39:44

I asked, could that be from pulling the

1:39:47

river? And they said no. So that's an

1:39:49

interesting differential. NJP said, I was with Micah

1:39:51

four times and there was nothing on her

1:39:53

hands. There was no scratches, no bruises. There

1:39:56

was nothing. Well, now we have a medical

1:39:58

examiner report going, scratches on her

1:40:00

hands but it was from the bramble. So again

1:40:02

you have JP saying the sky is purple and

1:40:04

we're all like we've got eyes, we have looked,

1:40:07

it is blue today, but thanks for trying. Sinister

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The FBI is still conducting its

1:41:21

investigation. A Solid Rock Church

1:41:23

has seen its membership drop dramatically from

1:41:25

700 members down to around 50.

1:41:28

Micah's death has been officially ruled a

1:41:31

suicide and so far no charges have

1:41:33

been filed against John Paul Miller. However,

1:41:36

Micah's family has not ruled out the

1:41:38

possibility of a wrongful death lawsuit. Micah's

1:41:41

sister, Sierra Francis, is serving as

1:41:43

her personal representative in legal matters.

1:41:47

The Francis family remains steadfast in

1:41:49

their quest for justice. On

1:41:51

the official Justice for Micah website, the

1:41:54

family asks to be sent any tips or

1:41:56

information as they continue to fight. Writing.

1:42:00

Myka's favorite scripture was Myka 6-8, seek

1:42:03

justice, love mercifully, and walk humbly with

1:42:05

your God. And that's exactly what we

1:42:07

intend to do. Anyone

1:42:11

with information pertaining to the investigation

1:42:13

in South Carolina is asked to

1:42:15

contact the Columbia FBI office at

1:42:17

803-551-4200. Myka's

1:42:23

attorney, Regina Ward, is working with the

1:42:25

family and accepting tips via her law

1:42:27

office. You can

1:42:29

send them via email

1:42:31

to justiceformykatips@gmail.com. There

1:42:34

is also a GoFundMe to support

1:42:36

the Francis family's legal efforts, available

1:42:38

at justiceformyka.com, linked

1:42:40

in our show notes. We also

1:42:43

strongly encourage everyone to contact the

1:42:45

lawmakers in your own state to

1:42:47

have coercive control bills on the

1:42:50

books to prevent situations like this.

1:42:54

So what do we think? There's

1:42:56

just

1:42:59

so much, I think, going on that

1:43:01

you need an agency like the FBI

1:43:03

to be involved to make

1:43:05

appropriate, to A, do an appropriate

1:43:07

and extremely thorough investigation, and then

1:43:09

to make appropriate referrals. And I

1:43:11

think it might be a Murdoch

1:43:14

situation where you go, we're here

1:43:16

to investigate the murder of Paul

1:43:18

and Maggie, but what happened to

1:43:20

Gloria Satterfield now? Where you say,

1:43:22

now, back in 2021, what

1:43:24

happened to Chris Skinner? Who was he going to

1:43:26

meet? Where did that footage go, that hour of

1:43:28

footage that's missing out of the police report? So

1:43:31

I think we're going to

1:43:33

see a chronological, maybe not

1:43:36

chronological, but a step-by-step-by-step investigation

1:43:38

of, now, he got his, how did he get that

1:43:40

gun? Oh, because he got a pardon.

1:43:43

Well, how did he get the pardon? Oh, through

1:43:45

fraud? Then we're going to revoke that. I

1:43:47

think he'll face each and every

1:43:49

one in turn. I

1:43:52

hope he does. And I hope that it

1:43:54

also drags out all

1:43:56

the abuse that his father has. inflicted

1:44:00

upon various

1:44:03

people over the years, and

1:44:06

anybody else that needs to be

1:44:08

brought to light. This

1:44:11

just seems, I mean,

1:44:13

there's so much evidence that she was

1:44:16

suffering a myriad

1:44:18

of abuse. If she

1:44:20

took her own life, you know,

1:44:22

I mean, I think everyone could look at

1:44:24

her life and be like, she was miserable,

1:44:26

this was a horrible, you know, but

1:44:29

by all accounts, she was making

1:44:32

strides to change that, she had

1:44:35

changed some things, she was excited

1:44:37

about new stuff happening in her

1:44:39

life, she told multiple people, if

1:44:42

I end up with a bullet in my head, it

1:44:44

wasn't me, it was JP. Yes,

1:44:46

and I think you're right,

1:44:48

I think the circumstantial evidence around it

1:44:50

all points away from a

1:44:52

suicide, from statements like that, that she

1:44:55

made statements saying, you know, I'll see

1:44:57

you at work tomorrow, like very forward

1:45:00

looking short term plans that could be followed

1:45:02

up on book and a haircut, things like

1:45:04

that, and then what the big,

1:45:06

big piece of this that's missing that I

1:45:08

think is the type of, what

1:45:10

I keep calling the Snapchat angle, because when

1:45:12

we talked about the Paul and

1:45:15

Maggie Murdoch murders, we didn't know that Paul

1:45:17

Murdoch had Snapchat videoed his dad at the

1:45:19

scene, we just didn't know that and we

1:45:21

couldn't know that, because we're not sled,

1:45:23

right? And so whatever that smoking

1:45:26

gun, you know, quite literally is in

1:45:28

that case, we don't have it yet.

1:45:31

But I think the people to find it

1:45:33

are gonna be the FBI, for sure, and

1:45:35

so in the meantime, what JP needs to

1:45:37

do if literally devil's advocate is

1:45:40

shut up, if he doesn't, I think what

1:45:42

you'll have then, if there is ever a

1:45:44

murder trial or charges of, for whatever it

1:45:46

is, you have

1:45:48

a really, really untrustworthy defendant

1:45:52

who will be extremely easy to

1:45:54

impeach, because he's lied openly, publicly,

1:45:56

four or five different ways, like,

1:45:58

since, just since April 27th so God

1:46:01

knows when it you know ends up if it

1:46:03

ends up at a trial. Yeah

1:46:05

it's I think um I think he

1:46:08

has shut up because yes his lawyers

1:46:10

told him to and that's why we're

1:46:12

not seeing him go live anymore or

1:46:14

posting anything. He finally

1:46:17

listened to somebody that was like

1:46:19

you are not helping your case

1:46:21

but yeah and some of

1:46:23

the local creators have been saying uh that

1:46:25

that like literally went to Myrtle Beach or

1:46:27

going around to all these places you know

1:46:29

they've been kind of live updating going hey

1:46:32

we just saw like guys in black suits

1:46:34

in like town cars that looked like FBI

1:46:36

agents like going into this place. I've heard

1:46:38

somebody that worked at this place said yeah

1:46:40

the FBI came in and talked to that

1:46:42

guy. So apparently this is a hot active

1:46:44

ongoing investigation and if we're

1:46:46

talking like timeline of something perhaps

1:46:48

happening you know the Murdoch case we

1:46:50

had to wait until for

1:46:52

Sled to even get involved at the initially it

1:46:55

was just sort of like local but Alec killed

1:46:57

Paula Maggie in June of 2021. He was indicted

1:47:01

about 13 months later and then

1:47:03

he was convicted about a year

1:47:05

and eight months from the crime

1:47:08

so that was having to wait

1:47:10

for the separate Sled investigation everything else. Here the feds

1:47:12

are already in I mean they showed up two weeks

1:47:14

after it happened so I would say you could probably

1:47:16

shave a couple months off of that and uh if

1:47:20

you found out for instance that

1:47:22

somebody used the means of interstate commerce

1:47:24

the internet a phone uh

1:47:26

to hire somebody to kill somebody else that's a federal

1:47:28

crime I mean you go to federal jail for that

1:47:30

you know if you kidnap somebody against

1:47:33

their will you forced them across state lines

1:47:35

and then killed them that's federal that's a

1:47:37

federal crime so because we have this interstate

1:47:40

element to it I think that it's appropriate

1:47:42

for the FBI to be investigating not just

1:47:45

the IRS perspective of perhaps there was some

1:47:47

financial improprieties at the church but then also

1:47:49

if a person is killed across state lines

1:47:51

that that affects the means of interstate commerce

1:47:54

and that's when the feds can get involved

1:47:56

and they're already involved here. So

1:47:59

what do you think happened? And when

1:48:01

she left that pawn shop? That's

1:48:04

the question everybody has. I

1:48:06

need to see her cell phone data. You know

1:48:08

what I mean? Like, I don't know. There's too

1:48:10

many possibilities of, you know,

1:48:12

some people have said, oh, was there somebody waiting

1:48:14

in her back seat? Like, did she get forced

1:48:16

to go to the pawn shop? You know, she

1:48:18

looked really different when she left her house than

1:48:21

when she was entering the pawn shop. She looked

1:48:23

a lot more weary and swollen

1:48:25

in her face and everything. Hired. And tired

1:48:27

looking than when she left the house

1:48:29

earlier. And that was only, you know, 20, she what

1:48:31

she left 20, 30 minutes before that, not even.

1:48:34

So did she, like Peggy

1:48:36

Clinkie set off to go to

1:48:38

work that morning and the worst

1:48:40

possible thing happens, the devil's

1:48:42

waiting, literally waiting in the bushes or somebody's waiting

1:48:44

in the bushes or, and

1:48:47

somebody was in the back seat of her car the whole time? I

1:48:49

don't know. I don't know. I'm

1:48:51

not sure why she ended up at that gas station. What do

1:48:53

you think? Yeah, the gas station

1:48:56

and then also the state park. I

1:48:59

don't know. That's the biggest question. And

1:49:01

I think if this goes to trial,

1:49:03

that will be one of the big

1:49:05

sticking points too is by

1:49:08

all accounts, she left her apartment

1:49:11

that day heading to work, wearing

1:49:13

her work uniform, but

1:49:16

she stops at a pawn shop, buys

1:49:19

a handgun. There's no disputing that. And

1:49:22

from there, instead of continuing on to

1:49:25

her job, she goes

1:49:27

the complete opposite direction and

1:49:30

winds up at a state park. And I don't

1:49:32

know what happened

1:49:34

to cause that. The

1:49:37

couple of comments that stuck out to me

1:49:40

are JP saying in that

1:49:42

video, himself saying, I told the private eye to tell

1:49:44

me if she ever went to go get a gun.

1:49:46

And I think her going to a pawn shop would

1:49:48

warrant a phone call, especially if

1:49:50

you walked in behind her and were eavesdropping and

1:49:52

saw that it was a six hour on the

1:49:54

counter. And him saying to Charlotte,

1:49:57

oh, I thought she was going up to

1:49:59

visit you. Like, where did she

1:50:01

head after that? So, that's gonna be the question

1:50:03

is, what digital evidence is

1:50:05

gonna show what incoming calls or

1:50:07

outgoing calls she had or whatever,

1:50:11

and what his phone was

1:50:13

doing or any phone he's ever controlled or if he

1:50:15

went to a Walmart and paid cash for a phone

1:50:17

or blah, blah, blah, or maybe that doesn't exist and

1:50:20

it's totally unrelated and we'll find out this was all

1:50:22

just a woman who was finally so fed up of

1:50:24

what he did that she just chose in the middle

1:50:26

of a day to make herself a grilled cheese sandwich

1:50:28

and drive however long, but that also threw me off

1:50:31

that she's got a cooked grilled cheese sandwich in the

1:50:33

front of the car when

1:50:35

her car is found. Yeah, sitting in the

1:50:37

passenger seat, I don't know. I've

1:50:40

gone over to my head a lot

1:50:42

of, is

1:50:44

it possible, and I mean, sure, anything's

1:50:47

possible, is it likely that

1:50:49

this was of

1:50:51

her own doing? I

1:50:54

mean, there is a world in which, yes,

1:50:56

you know? I mean, people decide

1:50:59

at any time, like no

1:51:02

matter what, maybe you've made appointments

1:51:05

or you're on your way to

1:51:07

somewhere, who knows what's going through

1:51:09

somebody's mind. I will say

1:51:11

she looks very, very weary and

1:51:14

resigned in

1:51:16

that pawn shop footage. Again,

1:51:21

it's like, are you looking that

1:51:23

way just because you know

1:51:25

all the shit you're going through and

1:51:27

also why you're having to buy that

1:51:30

gun because you're fearing for your life,

1:51:32

or is it because you've made

1:51:34

up your mind about what you're about to do? But

1:51:37

the footage of her

1:51:39

leaving the apartment, wearing

1:51:42

her work uniform, listening out loud

1:51:44

on her phone to

1:51:47

a sermon that is about

1:51:49

leaving toxic relationships, and

1:51:53

then, yeah, having a meal in her car and

1:51:55

stuff. I mean, it doesn't jive

1:51:57

with what you're about to do.

1:52:00

you would think someone that's about to go

1:52:02

kill themselves, like the stuff that they're doing

1:52:04

right before that. That's not saying that it

1:52:06

can't happen. But

1:52:08

I'm very curious how she

1:52:10

was forced or if she

1:52:12

was forced, then how to

1:52:14

get to that state park. Yeah.

1:52:17

Or Lord, you know, saying somebody's here with me

1:52:19

or I'm here or it's, you know, if you

1:52:21

get a text message from you, think it's somebody

1:52:24

else that's not that person. You know, you get

1:52:26

a text that you think it's from your friend,

1:52:28

but it's, you know, I don't know. Well,

1:52:31

but also evidence we don't have.

1:52:33

She didn't call her work to

1:52:36

call out. Yeah. So I

1:52:38

mean, either she made the decision like,

1:52:41

well, I'm ending things,

1:52:43

so there's no need to call them. Or

1:52:47

she wasn't able to call them. She was

1:52:49

already late for work being

1:52:51

at the point, I think her shift was scheduled

1:52:53

for like noon. So maybe it took longer than

1:52:55

she thought it would at the pawn shop and

1:52:57

she thought she would get their own time. But

1:53:00

it is strange that a

1:53:03

call was not made saying like, I'm on my

1:53:05

way because she seems by all accounts to be

1:53:07

a very like punctual and

1:53:09

conscientious. Yeah. Yeah. And

1:53:12

like just some trustworthy employee. So

1:53:15

I feel like something

1:53:18

had to have happened, but

1:53:22

also there is the

1:53:24

footage of her stopping at that gas station. It

1:53:28

seems as if she's alone. She

1:53:31

goes in. So I would

1:53:33

argue if somebody was in the car with her,

1:53:35

that would not be allowed. Yeah. Right.

1:53:38

Or if you, if it happens, go, I'm going to take my phone with me and then in

1:53:40

the bathroom, call 911 or the. Yeah. Or

1:53:43

tell the cashier or something, you know, like, Hey, I'm

1:53:45

being held up in my car. So I don't

1:53:49

know. I don't know. I

1:53:51

don't know. Yeah. And that's what

1:53:54

I think the issue is right now. And I'm

1:53:56

not, you know, if someone said, well, there's no

1:53:58

evidence right now that says that JP. We killed

1:54:00

her. I would agree with that. We don't

1:54:02

have physical direct evidence that shows he was

1:54:04

at the scene, he was at the state

1:54:06

park, he was at this. There is no

1:54:08

direct evidence of that at this time, but

1:54:10

the investigation is ongoing. So much like the

1:54:12

Alec Murdoch case, at the

1:54:14

time we did the episode, it was like

1:54:16

September, you know, a couple months after it

1:54:18

even happened, but more like absent

1:54:21

some like really damning forensic digital

1:54:23

evidence, and that's exactly what they

1:54:25

had. So it's like one wonders,

1:54:27

a woman who was as stocked

1:54:30

as she was, and kept

1:54:32

as meticulous records as she did,

1:54:35

I would be flabbergasted to find out

1:54:37

that in her final days, there was

1:54:39

not a note in her

1:54:41

phone, a video of herself that she recorded

1:54:43

in her phone, text messages she sent to

1:54:45

people we just haven't heard about yet, or

1:54:47

an email she sent that we haven't heard

1:54:49

about yet. Something that, if

1:54:52

she was being stocked that day, and it's like,

1:54:55

oh my gosh, she's after me again, she seemed

1:54:57

like she had been in the mode of, especially

1:54:59

after hiring Regina Ward, she was in this mode

1:55:01

of like, okay, we're record keeping now, we gotta

1:55:03

keep, and then we're gonna bust him, and then

1:55:05

I'm gonna be out of here. So alternatively, I

1:55:07

would assume if it was,

1:55:10

like you said, she was like, resigning and was

1:55:12

done and was going to end things, there would

1:55:14

be some sort of message to her family, but

1:55:16

the very last message, one of the last

1:55:18

messages to Sierra was, I'm really worried

1:55:21

he's not gonna let me live to see the

1:55:23

divorce. Like so she wasn't, man, I'm

1:55:25

so down, and I just

1:55:27

like to die. It's like, man, I hope I can get

1:55:29

a divorce without getting a bullet put in my head that's

1:55:31

gonna be him doing it. So that's where I think there

1:55:34

needs to be more investigation, and I'm glad

1:55:36

the FBI is investigating. I think it's disgusting

1:55:39

that the Robeson County Sheriff's Department was so

1:55:41

vehement, like,

1:55:44

what was the suicide? Absolutely, and if they

1:55:46

did that because they're negligent, then they're all

1:55:48

idiots, and most of them should be fired,

1:55:50

and I'll go on record in saying, you

1:55:52

did a bad job at your investigation, you're

1:55:54

stupid and you did bad. However,

1:55:56

if we find out that one of them goes to

1:55:58

church with JP or got money. from him or whatever,

1:56:00

I think they should go to jail for that,

1:56:03

so it's like you have negligence, but I think

1:56:05

if you were on the take, or you're being

1:56:07

blackmailed or something like that, that's again, that's something

1:56:09

that the FBI would find out. All

1:56:11

we have now is that the

1:56:14

initial investigation was negligent and was

1:56:16

pushing this narrative, trying to

1:56:18

push this family through, going shut up, shut up, shut

1:56:20

up, instead of going we're gonna just show up and

1:56:22

look around. I think a bunch of

1:56:25

men heard that a crazy woman was on the loose

1:56:27

with a gun in the forest, and then suddenly we're

1:56:29

like, well, that's obviously what happened. Because

1:56:32

Michael Francis told Rich McHugh on News Nation,

1:56:34

Micah's dad said, I believe it was staged,

1:56:36

I believe the whole thing was premeditated, I

1:56:38

believe the narrative was established by Junior, which

1:56:40

is what he calls JP, all

1:56:43

the way through, before there was even a release,

1:56:45

he said the day that we were notified, he

1:56:47

was already saying, she did it, she did it,

1:56:49

she did it. And he said, why would you

1:56:51

do that if you don't have all the information?

1:56:53

Why would you not be grieving? He's not shown

1:56:55

any remorse, no grief. He shows nervousness, he shows

1:56:57

guilt, he shows he's hiding something. And I think

1:57:01

her dad is a lot closer and knows

1:57:03

a lot more than we do, has seen

1:57:05

the journals, has seen whatever it is. I

1:57:07

mean, he's seen their relationship for over a

1:57:09

decade. And Ana said in the weeks leading

1:57:11

up to her death, she was getting all

1:57:14

the paperwork together to expose him. And so

1:57:16

when you have something that is, I

1:57:18

told a friend of mine about this case, and he said, why

1:57:21

would this guy just go kill his wife? I said,

1:57:23

I'm so sorry, I left out the part where she

1:57:25

reported him to the IRS, and he's this pastor of

1:57:27

this rich church. And my friend went, well, there's your

1:57:29

motive, which I think is gonna come

1:57:31

in if it, for

1:57:33

instance, if evidence supports an

1:57:35

indictment of him for either murder

1:57:38

for hire, he hired someone else to do

1:57:40

it, or for murder himself, South

1:57:43

Carolina does have these aggravating

1:57:45

factors. And an aggravating

1:57:47

factor can be if there is a,

1:57:50

the person was gonna be a witness against

1:57:52

you for purpose

1:57:55

of, you know, you kill them

1:57:57

to impede this, the investigation or

1:57:59

prosecution. or any crime. Yeah, you essentially are

1:58:01

silencing a witness and it's like, well, did

1:58:03

you do that because you knew that the

1:58:06

IRS is gonna come in and go, I'm

1:58:08

sorry, you've been using the church as your

1:58:10

piggy bank and we saw with the Synanon

1:58:12

case, when the IRS decides to revoke your

1:58:14

tax exempt status, they can revoke it back

1:58:16

to the earliest incident of you disrespecting the

1:58:18

nonprofit entity. And Synanon, they got busted in

1:58:20

84, they took back their status all the

1:58:22

way back to 77 and so they owed

1:58:24

$17 million. So if

1:58:26

you're 20, 24 and you lose

1:58:28

your exempt status back to 2005

1:58:31

when the church first started, that

1:58:33

is a huge motive to silence someone

1:58:35

from, but it's like the report was already made, buddy, and the

1:58:37

feds are on their way, so. I

1:58:40

think a huge motive too is just the

1:58:43

decades of abuse and the fact that she filed

1:58:45

for divorce from him. I mean, I think there's

1:58:49

a litany of reasons why he would

1:58:51

have done it. I think what

1:58:54

will have to be figured

1:58:56

out is exactly how it all unfolded. No,

1:58:58

I agree and I think that's what the

1:59:00

FBI will find out through digital forensics. As

1:59:02

of now, I would say, well, as we'll

1:59:04

reiterate, we said it, he hasn't been charged

1:59:06

with anything. I do think he should be

1:59:08

charged with all of this incidents of stalking.

1:59:10

He more than fits the definition of South

1:59:12

Carolina for stalking. I like, today they could

1:59:14

go charge him for it. And the same

1:59:16

with sexual abuse. If you're a minor or

1:59:18

you know somebody that's a minor who was

1:59:21

sexually abused by John Paul Miller, there does

1:59:23

not appear to be a statute of limitations

1:59:25

in South Carolina, you could report that. So I think

1:59:27

there's a litany of these other things he's done of

1:59:29

obtaining a weapon through fraud, all that stuff that hopefully

1:59:32

anybody that's been harmed is coming forward. And

1:59:34

in addition to reporting it to local law

1:59:36

enforcement, you should report it to the FBI

1:59:38

as well. If it has to do with

1:59:40

him, because you don't know, you could be

1:59:42

a witness that could help crack this case

1:59:44

open. So a church of 700 people

1:59:47

just at the time of her death, not

1:59:49

to mention all the other parishioners back to 2005,

1:59:52

I think it's time for the solid rock people

1:59:54

to, like step up and do the right thing

1:59:56

and, you know, go call the FBI and tell

1:59:58

them what you know. Yeah.

2:00:01

And the FBI,

2:00:03

Regina Ward's office, Justice for

2:00:05

MICA, there can be information

2:00:07

on, if you have information on

2:00:09

how to get to the right person on that

2:00:13

website. But we will keep our

2:00:15

eye on this. If there's

2:00:17

any movement or any charges filed, we'll be

2:00:19

sure to update everyone with

2:00:22

that. And in the meantime, there's

2:00:24

various ways to support her

2:00:26

family on justiceformica.com. So

2:00:30

you can head over there to

2:00:32

see what you can do and also find

2:00:35

out who your state senator is

2:00:37

and hit him up and let

2:00:39

him know we need stricter bills

2:00:41

to prevent stuff like this happening.

2:00:43

And training for law enforcement as

2:00:45

well. Yeah, absolutely. And justiceformica.com. They

2:00:47

seem like they are really

2:00:49

becoming, trying to become kind of what

2:00:51

Debbie Riddle became for her sister, Peggy

2:00:53

Clinkie coming. They want to say like,

2:00:55

coercive control is not okay. Domestic violence

2:00:57

is not okay. And like here, we

2:00:59

as a family want to help other people

2:01:02

get free from that. And so I think that's a

2:01:04

beautiful thing. And yeah,

2:01:06

MICA's voice will be heard. She may be silenced

2:01:09

now, but her journals are going to go on

2:01:11

to help a ton and ton

2:01:13

of people with these laws. Yes.

2:01:15

And we will

2:01:17

keep fighting for justice for MICA

2:01:19

and hopefully it will be seen

2:01:21

sooner rather than later. Well,

2:01:32

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my second year serving on the board. So

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gender minorities and DFW to live full lives if

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