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1:07

Well, hello and welcome to another edition of Freaky

1:09

Friday, where we tell your obituary stories. It's Friday,

1:12

May the 10th, and it is the summer. We're

1:17

trucking into it. Today,

1:22

I was driving, and it's just, it's

1:24

overcast, and it has been. I don't know the

1:26

last time we saw the sun, but it's been

1:28

a minute. But it's just constantly humid and overcast.

1:31

But I was just thinking to myself, man, everybody

1:33

loves to hate on January. Like

1:36

January is the worst month we have. I would

1:38

argue May is up there. And

1:41

you want to like it because it's springtime. But

1:44

in Texas, it's when everything

1:46

starts blooming. So it's just

1:49

like your allergies are crazy. It's so freaking humid.

1:53

It already feels like summer, but it's not

1:55

summer. So that is irksome that like,

1:58

you're like, we already have summer. have

2:00

to deal with this three more months.

2:02

Like why it just gets earlier

2:04

and earlier. Also I'm biased because

2:06

my birthday's in January. So whenever people are like

2:08

January sucks. I'm like some of us were born

2:10

then. You're like, well actually January can be pretty

2:12

great if you were born then. Also Simon was

2:15

born then so it's pretty great. And my dad.

2:17

And my sister, so there you go. It's a lot

2:19

of good January babes. But yeah, I'm

2:21

an October baby. So if everyone's like October's the best

2:23

month, I'm like I know. Nobody has ever in the

2:25

history of the universe said

2:27

October is the worst month. October

2:31

and December, most people think

2:33

those are the best months, October through December. Yeah,

2:36

we can't. Well we can't all fucking go

2:38

back in time and help

2:40

our parents get in on at a different time than

2:42

they did and be born in a different time of

2:44

the year. Well, we

2:46

wouldn't want you to because we love

2:49

our Capricorn and Aquarius siblings

2:51

and besties just as you are.

2:55

And yes, we're bringing back January. I'm going

2:58

to melt though. Yeah, we're bringing back January. Now

3:01

I want it to be January. Remember how

3:03

cold it was in January? Oh man, that

3:05

was nice. Yeah,

3:08

it's all of the, the sweating has begun.

3:10

I've just been like, I'm in it, it's

3:12

happening and I'm gonna sweat from now until

3:15

October. So my birthday. So I'm looking forward

3:17

to my birthday when the sweating will stop.

3:20

But until then, we'll get to sweating

3:22

for some different reasons with some, especially

3:25

the last few stories. We've got

3:27

some mysteries, some cryptids for you,

3:29

but also a whole

3:31

lineup of odd but true tales today. So thanks

3:33

to everyone who sent them in and thank you,

3:35

Chrissy, for curating these for us today. Yeah,

3:38

kind of broke them up into two halves,

3:40

as you will see with

3:43

ending on not one, but

3:46

two Bigfoot stories. Yes,

3:49

I'm so excited. I thought to

3:51

myself, should I save one for another one? And then

3:54

I went, I'm just gonna put them both in here

3:57

because it's different point of views. And plus

3:59

the more. Or we talk about it at

4:01

once, the more likely it is to happen.

4:03

Exactly. We're here, baby. And

4:05

we're getting Bigfoot. We're urging Bigfoot to

4:08

come out of wherever he or the

4:10

many of them are hiding because I

4:12

think there's more than one. Yes, Bigfoot.

4:15

And if we can pass by one on

4:17

our Full Moon Energy Tour this summer, I'm going to

4:19

love it because St. Louis,

4:21

that's Missouri. There could be

4:23

Bigfoot. I think that we can make an

4:25

argument for any of the following cities, St.

4:28

Louis, Chicago, Milwaukee, Charlotte,

4:30

Raleigh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Toronto, Kansas City, Oklahoma

4:33

City, San Diego, Phoenix, Las Vegas, and

4:35

Dallas. Honestly, really, only Dallas, because I

4:37

have the most experience here, is the

4:40

one that I'm probably not going

4:42

to see a Bigfoot there. But any

4:44

of those other ones, I'll tell you

4:46

what. I would love to

4:49

see a Chicago Bigfoot. Hell yeah. Waiting

4:51

for the sun for the L. I

4:53

would also love to see Vegas Bigfoot,

4:55

which needs to be written and produced

4:58

ASAP. Vegas Bigfoot, amazing. He's

5:01

in an Elvis impersonator costume. He is

5:03

a high roller and also he

5:06

doesn't lose. He never loses. He

5:08

knows how to beat the casino. No, as

5:11

soon as he gets that, he hits it on roulette. He's

5:13

like, oh, they all know. They

5:15

know when he's winning big because he's

5:17

just letting out a power. Get off

5:19

the Eiffel Tower. It's not for you

5:21

to climb. I

5:24

love it. Well, if you're wondering why we're

5:26

traveling to all of these hotspots for Bigfoot

5:28

locations, it's because it's our Full

5:31

Moon Energy Tour. It is. We

5:33

are going back on tour in just a week where

5:36

we perform a show that only

5:38

is heard live there.

5:41

We don't release it on the main feed. We haven't

5:44

even released it on Patreon, so you can only see

5:46

it in person. And even if you saw it in

5:48

2023, we've added some things. So

5:51

you can come back or bring a friend. We

5:54

have one lovely listener, Alina. If you're

5:56

listening, you're a diehard. She's

5:59

coming to see it for the... third time. I'm

6:01

telling you, makes me

6:03

feel very special and happy. So thank

6:05

you so much. But you can get

6:07

a ribbon. Yes. First

6:09

time, third time, whatever time, you

6:12

can go to sinisterhood.com/live shows for

6:14

more information. You hear

6:16

all about the darker side of the

6:18

moon, what it does to us, what

6:20

lurks up there, what people think really

6:22

happened during the Apollo mission. We talk

6:25

about legend, lore, mysterious, macabre, pretty much

6:27

everything that we talk about on the

6:29

show is just centered around our

6:31

big beautiful shining moon and

6:34

the beautiful yet perhaps

6:36

sinister, perhaps

6:39

sexual. Yeah, perhaps.

6:43

It's wheels off. It turns into. Because

6:46

a lot that goes on in the show,

6:48

it goes off the rails. But yeah, we'd

6:50

love to see you guys get a sinister

6:52

head.com/live shows and coming out with us in

6:54

person. The first shows are you're listening to

6:56

this on May 10th. They are this next

6:59

week coming up. So St. Louis, Chicago, and

7:01

Milwaukee. The time is now. So we'll see

7:03

y'all next week. But before that, we got

7:05

to get some freakiness today.

7:07

Let's do it. I'm Kristy. I'm

7:09

Heather. And let's get freaky. This

7:12

first one is from Katrina. And

7:14

it is called my mom's casual

7:16

true crime stories and

7:18

content warning. There's a brief mention of sexual

7:20

assault. Hi,

7:23

ladies. Thank you so much for your

7:25

amazing podcast. It's my absolute favorite. And

7:28

whenever I'm retelling your stories to my

7:30

husband, I always start with on my

7:32

podcast today. A recent

7:34

tale about a fellow listeners dad randomly

7:37

dropping into conversation that he used to

7:39

work for John Wayne Gacy reminded me

7:41

of the not one, but three different

7:43

true crime adjacent stories. My mom has

7:45

randomly dropped into conversation over the years,

7:48

like she was telling me what she

7:50

had for lunch the day before. The

7:52

first two came in the same Mother's

7:54

Day lunch a couple of years ago.

7:56

She'd had a very rare alcoholic beverage

7:58

and was loose. his lips. Firstly,

8:02

my auntie apparently lived in Gloucester,

8:04

when Fred and Rose West were

8:06

actively kidnapping, grooming, abusing, and murdering

8:08

young women in the town. Nothing

8:10

ever happened to my auntie, but

8:13

how it took 35 years to

8:15

come up, I'll never know. Secondly,

8:18

my mom dropped that my great uncle

8:20

was friends with Jimmy Seville back in

8:22

the day. I don't know

8:24

how much you know about Seville in

8:26

the US, but he was the worst

8:29

sexual abuser in UK history, and got

8:31

away with so many untold horrors for

8:33

decades due to his fame and charity

8:35

work. He was an absolute monster, and

8:37

was only exposed after he died. My

8:41

uncle didn't just know Seville, I think everyone

8:43

in Leeds knew him, and I even lived

8:45

near him for a few years, but

8:47

they were friends, and even went on

8:50

cycling holidays together. I never knew

8:52

this uncle very well. He was the outcast

8:54

of the family. Not for anything

8:56

bad, just didn't quite fit in with the rest of

8:58

the family, and I will give him the

9:00

benefit of the doubt that he didn't know what Seville

9:02

was up to all those years, but

9:04

it's still very unsettling to think somewhere

9:06

there are family photos with Seville in

9:09

them. Lastly, when

9:11

I was 14, I started helping

9:13

mom with cleaning jobs in our village. One

9:16

was for a single man, mid 40s I

9:18

think, lived alone in a flat in the

9:20

village. By the time I was 16,

9:23

I could fit cleaning his place around school and

9:25

my other job, so I did this regularly on

9:27

my own. I should point out

9:29

that he was rarely there with me. Once

9:31

or twice he popped back for something, but

9:34

generally I was alone in his place. Well

9:37

after a couple of years of this, my

9:39

mom oh so casually told me about the

9:41

nicknames they had for the man at the

9:43

local pub, behind his back of course.

9:46

They called him Red Rum

9:48

and Shovely Brian. I asked

9:51

why would they call him those names? Well

9:54

turns out many years ago, Brian had

9:56

gotten angry at a man in the

9:58

pub, a different pub. who'd

10:00

been chatting shit about Brian's girlfriend. Brian

10:03

had followed the man home when he left, gone

10:06

into his back garden to have it out with him,

10:09

and in anger, picked up a shovel, hit

10:11

the man over the head with it, and

10:13

killed him. He was picked

10:15

up and charged by the next morning and went to

10:17

prison for murder. My

10:19

mom knew all of this and sent

10:21

me, her first born child, on

10:24

my own to this man's home. Does

10:26

this make me stop going? Nope.

10:29

Twenty quid a week is twenty quid a week

10:31

and I had teenage shit to buy. Anyway,

10:34

thankfully I have no horror stories,

10:36

just tales from my wonderful, amazing,

10:38

very laid back mum. Love

10:41

you both, Katrina. P.S.

10:43

I hope my northern British ways of

10:45

wording this made sense and maybe made

10:47

you smile. We have a way with

10:49

words. Well, yes, I

10:52

love how you write. I can hear it in your

10:54

voice. Especially, chatting shit

10:56

is a good phrase. Chatting, yeah. I

10:58

love the way that the

11:01

UK uses chatting to describe things.

11:04

Can we just for a second talk

11:06

about shovel-y Brian? Yeah.

11:09

Because sometimes things just are what

11:11

they are. And you're like, why do you call

11:13

that man shovel-y Brian? Oh, he hit his neighbor

11:16

over the head with a shovel and killed him.

11:18

You're like, yeah, that's shovel-y Brian, all right. Oh,

11:21

it was right on the nose is what you're

11:23

telling me. It was just not, there's no hitting.

11:26

We're not doing any kind of like

11:28

wordplay that's just the charge

11:30

that he was charged with. Well,

11:33

I'm very glad, Katrina, that you

11:35

didn't have anything bad happen

11:37

with him. I don't

11:39

know that I would send Ella to go

11:41

over to shovel-y Brian's house to clean his

11:44

flat knowing that he is the convicted

11:47

murderer. But, you know, we

11:50

all parent differently. I

11:53

don't know what Brian's like remorse level

11:55

was afterwards if he came out and

11:58

did a big apology tour. Right. also

12:00

like, well, it was a crime

12:02

of passion type situation and into

12:05

one off incident versus like John

12:08

Wayne Casey, for example, but or

12:11

Jimmy Seville, which yes, here's

12:15

the thing and I'm not going to go into it because to

12:18

say he's a monster is like putting it

12:20

mildly. I did not know who

12:22

he was until a few months ago. And I

12:24

told you this, when I started watching

12:27

a docu series on Netflix about him, but

12:29

I did it wasn't very descriptive in the

12:31

description of what it was. Well,

12:34

within like 30 minutes, I was like, Oh,

12:37

God, what fresh hell have I stumbled into?

12:39

And I had to turn it off because

12:42

what a monster and to have

12:44

all that happen. And he

12:46

was never held accountable because it all

12:48

came out after he died. And honestly,

12:50

a lot of people knew what was

12:52

going on and turn their head the

12:54

other way because of his fame and

12:56

charity work. So shame on everyone that

12:59

failed all those many, many, many,

13:01

many, many children. Yeah, you're

13:03

right. I remember I knew about it just because of

13:06

headline kind of stuff. And I was at your house

13:08

and you went, well, I tried to turn on the

13:10

docu series. And the second you said the name, I

13:12

go, Why were you watching that? I won't even Paris

13:14

knew. He goes, Oh, God, I

13:16

was like, you know, yeah, I'm like,

13:19

how have I never heard of him?

13:21

But yeah, a true monster. It's to

13:23

the 1000th degree. You're right. Yeah, that

13:25

is. That's one that just seeing if

13:27

he has John Wayne gacy vibes, like

13:30

you said, of where it's you knew

13:32

somebody was doing something through an extended

13:34

prolonged period of time, you hope that great

13:36

uncle didn't know what was going on in

13:38

the, you know, truly, because

13:41

those photos of them together are eerie enough

13:43

just being that ignorant to it because, oh,

13:45

Jimmy's my he's my cycling buddy. Yeah, we

13:48

go on vacation together to go cycling, not

13:50

knowing and there's a good chance he didn't

13:52

because a lot of people didn't because he

13:55

was charming and you

13:57

know, hit it well, but a lot

13:59

of people Departmentalized yeah,

14:01

like their lives and stuff like that. Yeah,

14:03

just having your mom drop info and

14:06

Fred and Rose West both of those are just such

14:08

Extreme. Yes. Yeah.

14:10

Yeah, your family has Connections to some

14:13

of the worst that's ever come out

14:15

of that part of the country.

14:17

Yes, truly truly But yeah, your mom must

14:19

be very laid-back to be like, oh, yeah,

14:21

I didn't mention that. Oh well Yeah, that's

14:23

a thing. Anyway another mimosa Yeah,

14:27

you get mom talking at Mother's Day

14:29

after a couple mimosas or margaritas and

14:33

You find out all of a sudden that

14:35

you your aunt lived down the street from

14:37

one of the most notorious killer couples to

14:39

ever Have lived. Yeah, that's a well a

14:41

happy Mother's Day to your mom I hope

14:43

this Mother's Day, I know England Mother's Day is

14:46

different than ours, but ours is this coming weekend

14:48

Oh, that makes sense. Never thought of

14:50

it. But I guess I

14:53

mean, it's just a made-up It's all it up. So I guess

14:55

you can put it whenever you want. Yeah, they're all made up. So

14:58

But yeah, well, I hope you if you

15:01

anybody at Mother's Day Good

15:03

luck guys. If you take your mom out for a brunch,

15:05

you don't know she's gonna just drop some Odd

15:08

facts and weird connections to your family, but you

15:10

know what what happens if she does you email

15:12

it to us We know where to send it.

15:14

Maybe you take her off

15:16

for lunch You get her a couple mimosas

15:18

in her and you're like, hey mom What's

15:20

the weirdest thing that's ever happened with our

15:22

family and yeah story to say? Yeah,

15:26

well that can be a future freaky Friday

15:28

of things that came out of our Mother's Day

15:30

brunch Thanks to you sinister. And we're like, well, we

15:32

told you that Well,

15:35

thank you so much Katrina for sending that in

15:40

Sinister hood will be right back You

16:00

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16:02

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16:04

about something and I'm suffering silently, there's

16:06

really no better person to talk about.

16:08

That would have been my therapist. Yeah,

16:10

just an unbiased person who doesn't

16:13

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16:15

feel like so many times, if

16:18

I wanna talk about something with someone, it's like, well,

16:20

there's all this other stuff that gets

16:22

jumbled in, but like a therapist, all

16:24

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16:26

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16:29

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17:34

This next one is from Christina and it

17:36

is called I'm Trapped in a Foreign

17:39

Country Due to My Abuser and

17:41

this does have to do with domestic abuse.

17:45

Hi Heather and Christy, I have really

17:47

enjoyed listening to your show for the

17:50

past few years and I appreciate you

17:52

giving a platform to important issues, particularly

17:54

abuse of all kinds. My

17:56

life has been very complicated lately and I

17:59

am feeling frustrated. Perhaps

18:01

that's why I felt compelled to write

18:03

after hearing yet another freaky Friday about

18:05

a creepy man. I

18:07

would like to tell you my story as

18:09

I think that more people need to understand

18:11

the warning signs of a controlling abuser. Fifteen

18:14

years ago, I was working in a

18:17

huge international law firm when I met

18:19

another associate at a firm retreat in

18:21

a glamorous foreign country. He

18:23

lived and worked in a totally different third country.

18:26

We immediately got along and I went back to his

18:28

room. With no intention of taking

18:30

things very far, I was scheduled to

18:33

fly out the next day. He

18:35

was staying on for a few days of holiday

18:37

and he began pressuring me to change my flight

18:39

back by a few days. In

18:42

the end, he convinced me. He

18:44

called and changed my flight. I was

18:46

a bit drunk and he wouldn't let up. Plus,

18:48

it all did seem quite romantic.

18:51

I didn't get in any trouble with the firm,

18:53

surprisingly. I found

18:55

some of his behavior on this trip

18:57

boundary pushing, but I didn't even

18:59

know those words at the time. For

19:02

example, I had told him that I didn't want

19:04

to sleep with him, but the first day I

19:06

joined his holiday, he pushed our beds together and

19:09

I felt like I had gotten in too deep

19:11

to refuse. I

19:13

thought that because he was senior to

19:15

me, had a posh background with amazing

19:17

credentials, and he came across

19:19

as very suave and sophisticated, that my

19:21

instincts were wrong. I also

19:23

thought that there may be some cultural differences that

19:25

I didn't know about. After

19:28

we both went home to our respective

19:30

countries, he pursued me constantly. He

19:33

would call me at work every day and

19:35

it was clear that he was very interested,

19:38

far more interested than I was, to be honest.

19:41

Then one day, he announced that he was visiting. I

19:44

allowed this even though I was a bit uncertain.

19:47

I was very insecure romantically and I

19:49

thought that his being so into me

19:51

showed that this could be a long-lasting

19:53

relationship and that he would treat me

19:55

well. Fast forward a

19:57

few years and he convinced me to move to his.

20:00

The country as is the answer. Over.

20:03

Time I came to realize that he

20:05

was cold and distant and he often

20:07

invalidating my feelings, saying that I expected

20:09

too much that I was a princess,

20:11

that I nabbed him constantly. I

20:14

was in a constant state of confusion,

20:16

wondering why I didn't feel more happy.

20:19

This. Was an amazing fantasy

20:21

whirlwind romance right? After

20:24

we were married, their continued to be

20:26

constant low level trouble. He would put

20:28

me down in subtle ways. For example,

20:30

I mean more money than he did,

20:32

but I hated my job. He.

20:35

Referred to himself as the breadwinner because he

20:37

said that I'd sit and be counted on.

20:39

To keep my job. He

20:41

used the breadwinner status as an excuse

20:43

to make all the decisions. If

20:46

I threw a receipt, In the trash. He would

20:48

dig it out and confront me with that

20:50

later, asking what I'd spent the money on.

20:52

He convinced me that only his name should be on

20:55

the house. For Us tax reasons to

20:57

also boil any plans I tried to

20:59

make. For as such as going on

21:01

nice vacations he would refuse to engage

21:03

and then insists on booking a flight

21:05

where he wanted to go at the

21:07

last minute. Even. for our honeymoon.

21:11

When. I agreed to have a baby with

21:13

him. I didn't realize with a long lasting

21:15

implications of this would be. That.

21:17

His mean and controlling behavior when up

21:19

to one hundred, he was unwilling to

21:22

do any child care. I had changed

21:24

jobs and made less money now though

21:26

so way more than most people. but

21:29

he constantly put. My job done. He

21:31

would criticized me for not getting a promotion, but

21:34

at the same time he pressured me to work

21:36

less so I could do more for the family.

21:39

For. A while he banned me from going

21:41

to supermarkets and I would be in big

21:43

trouble as he found out I had stuffed

21:45

into one even for a moment. It

21:48

felt like I never did anything right. In

21:50

so many ways. And. A

21:52

certain point I learned about of use. I

21:55

had thought that what was happening. Couldn't be

21:57

abuse because he didn't hit me, swear

21:59

at me. So jealousy or call me

22:01

names. But now I know that this kind

22:03

of. Abuse course of control and financial

22:06

abuse can be the worst of

22:08

all. It's. Especially difficult because

22:10

it's invisible and others outside of

22:12

the relationship can have trouble recognizing

22:15

it because it doesn't fit the

22:17

stereotype of the trashy, swearing meathead.

22:20

One. Day I told him that I thought we should get

22:23

the bourse. He said that I would

22:25

lose my spousal vesa this was true and

22:27

that he would keep my daughter. He

22:29

said that my daughter didn't need me. As.

22:32

A result of this I stayed in

22:34

entire extra year and so my immigration

22:36

status change. This was the hardest year

22:38

of my life because I felt I

22:40

had to comply with his controlling demands

22:42

and put up with his insults and

22:44

undermining. The. Only way I

22:46

made it through with due to

22:48

having amazing coworkers and occluded manager

22:51

who knew about my company's domestic

22:53

abuse policy. Than. One

22:55

beautiful day my ex came home

22:57

and my daughter and I weren't

22:59

there. That was five years

23:02

ago and I am so glad that I

23:04

got out. Even though I am now essentially

23:06

trapped in this country due to my access

23:08

parental rights, it hasn't been easy to be

23:10

a single mother in a foreign country, but

23:13

I'm very proud of how far my daughter

23:15

and I am Tom. She's seven years old

23:17

and she has the light of my life.

23:20

Things. With my ex are so difficult. My.

23:22

Daughter hates him that his sing sand

23:24

she still has to see him regularly.

23:27

He. Also continues to. Harass me and

23:29

sneaky cruel ways. But I

23:32

have shown that I am resilient and

23:34

I'll do everything I can to support

23:36

my child. We will be okay. A

23:39

healthy chain. My soy will help someone

23:41

else understand that abuse is more than

23:43

hitting and calling names. Word.

23:45

Salad undermining you, telling you what

23:48

to do, doing sneaky things to

23:50

get away, restricting your freedom. These.

23:52

can all be hallmarks of

23:54

abuse listen to your instincts

23:57

even wealthy well educated men

23:59

with nice friends can be abusive

24:01

and think very carefully before putting yourself

24:03

in someone's control as I did when

24:05

I moved countries, bought a house and

24:07

had a child with this man. Thanks

24:10

for reading. Even if this doesn't make it on the show,

24:13

keep it creepy. Man,

24:16

international custody, anything when

24:18

it comes to international stuff can get so dicey

24:21

even if you don't know anything about the law. But

24:23

I mean, luckily, you know something about the law and

24:25

it's still so difficult all those

24:28

different laws. She said immigration

24:30

status plus family law issues plus

24:32

some way kind of criminal law almost

24:34

like it just all comes together in the

24:36

storm and you're just doing anything you can for your

24:38

poor kiddo and you're doing it though you got her out

24:41

and it sucks that she still has to see him but

24:43

what a lucky girl to have a mom like you. And

24:46

eventually, she'll be old enough to

24:49

yeah, it's not a problem. You

24:51

know, I see a lot of

24:53

people talking about

24:56

their, you know, older kids like older

24:59

teens and stuff being like, they

25:01

said they don't want to go and I'm

25:03

not going to make them and like so they're good

25:05

to a point where like, the courts don't have much

25:07

control over your kid has a car and can do

25:09

what they want to do at some point. So

25:12

it's, it sucks right

25:14

now. But you've shown her so

25:17

much just by leaving that and being

25:19

the great mom you are and I

25:21

hope that you have a

25:23

relaxing and wonderful Mother's Day. This

25:26

is a very good point of we

25:28

often think that abuse

25:31

is hitting or being called a

25:33

name or someone yelling or cussing.

25:36

It doesn't always look like that abuse

25:38

can take many forms and all

25:41

of these things are certainly examples of abuse.

25:44

No and definitely, it's kind of a

25:46

misconception to that, you know, you would

25:49

have to be a person that was super disenfranchised like

25:51

maybe you don't have a job or you're you don't

25:53

Have a lot of education, but even

25:55

if you're highly educated, a high earner,

25:58

a high achiever that the same. Can

26:00

tactics of course of control. This

26:02

oh was says it's romantic like

26:04

com it does change or flight

26:06

that you in retrospect can see. oh

26:08

my gosh the controls started from like

26:11

second one the man he was so

26:13

good at it his his act with

26:15

so gets he had fooled Everybody still

26:18

falls, everybody has lived as you know

26:20

that's what I guess even you hear

26:22

about these again this high well educated

26:25

well seats gregarious charismatic guy who we

26:27

find out secretly has been controlling

26:29

his wife's It's like know that's how

26:31

good. They are at like putting on the the

26:34

thought and lying that their boss think they're a great

26:36

guy with a perfect family and all their friends down

26:38

at the you know, pickle ball court or whatever. Think

26:40

that there's such a great guy and they have everybody

26:42

fooled and so I think we tend to get down

26:45

on ourselves gone like oh my gosh, how could I

26:47

let myself get into that situation But it's like

26:49

this is a professional liar their whole entire life. All

26:51

they do is lie so the to people as he

26:53

can't really like to are the ones. That are

26:55

close assume which would be you know your wife

26:57

and daughter like they know the truth and who

26:59

you really are am. Said he ever

27:02

you all the time. You

27:04

can put on a mascot

27:06

for a while then obviously.

27:08

He had even stopped doing that with her if

27:10

he's going to the trash and digging out. see.

27:12

Yeah, won't let you go to the

27:14

supermarket. A mean use. I announce that

27:17

a good time because he seemed like

27:19

he was definitely escalating. Most definitely

27:21

the yes You know what? Christie said the

27:23

right thing that did you know come out

27:25

the was like. Time will tell the time

27:27

and love that you spend with your daughter,

27:29

doting on her. That's what she's gonna remember

27:31

about her childhood and the rest of it's

27:33

like one thing you can control, buddy. It's

27:35

the truth. It's me and the truth and

27:37

those two things always them on them. absolutely

27:39

well thank you so much casino

27:41

for sending that an and i

27:44

hope that's at some point you

27:46

can get back to the country

27:48

they you want to be an

27:50

and raise her daughter and because

27:52

to be held kind of like

27:54

a prisoner because the laws is

27:57

very scary especially in a foreign

27:59

country when You might

28:01

not speak the language, you don't know all the

28:03

laws, you don't know who to call for stuff.

28:05

That's like a whole other layer to an already

28:08

horrible situation. But shout out to your company

28:10

for having a domestic abuse policy. I think

28:12

most places should have, every place should have

28:14

that for sure. It gives

28:17

me hope to have read

28:19

several Freaky Fridays recently where

28:22

the business manager of whoever

28:24

the victim was is on

28:27

top of things. They're not minimizing it. In fact,

28:29

they're like not on my watch. So

28:33

I love to see that that's becoming

28:35

more of the norm. Sinisterhood

28:39

will be right back. Well,

28:41

I gotta tell you, hero

28:44

bread in this house has

28:46

become the go-to because it

28:49

just tastes so much better than

28:51

like regular grocery store brands. It

28:54

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28:56

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28:58

all shipped to my door. Oh, and it's

29:02

the best part about it is it's just right there. You're

29:04

like, oh, this bread is so good. I don't have to

29:06

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29:08

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29:11

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29:14

devoured pretty much everything. He's about to start

29:16

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30:35

speaking of businesses and badasses

30:37

and men

30:39

that think they can do whatever. Mm-hmm. Our

30:42

next story is from Becca and it

30:45

is called Misery of Uncertainty. Hello,

30:48

YouTube. I will agree with my sinister

30:50

and say that your care, your outspokenness,

30:53

your humor, and your compassion make your

30:55

show a bright spot in my week.

30:58

The show is a huge part of my life, so

31:00

thank you for what you do. I

31:02

was just listening to Freaky Friday, episode 110 and

31:06

felt compelled to write in. The stories

31:08

that May and Lindsey shared had me

31:10

reflecting on all kinds of things. So

31:13

let's get freaky. For

31:15

some background, I'm a 42-year-old woman raised

31:17

in the Midwest by conservative parents. My

31:19

mom freaked just this morning when I

31:21

told her I was seeing an acupuncturist.

31:24

And I spent the past decade deconstructing what

31:26

I thought life was about and

31:28

constructing the life I live now,

31:31

where I take up space, don't

31:33

apologize for existing, and basically call

31:35

out old white guys daily. When

31:38

Lindsey encouraged the listener to take the misery

31:40

of uncertainty over the certainty

31:42

of misery, I felt that in

31:45

my bones and then patted myself

31:47

on the back because that's exactly what I

31:49

did in 2015. I

31:52

left my abusive ex-husband while he was out of

31:54

town, taking only the most

31:56

valuable things to me, my cat, my

31:58

books, my clothes, my clothes. grandma sewing

32:00

machine and my Cuisinart electric

32:02

fondue pot. And I

32:05

literally started life afresh. It

32:07

was a traumatic experience, but so was

32:09

my marriage. Here's

32:11

where May comes in. For the first

32:13

time in my life, I lived alone. And

32:16

I loved every second of it. I

32:18

had an apartment in the center of the neighborhood

32:20

I lived in and had walking distance from all

32:22

the nightlife I could want. One

32:25

such place was a pizza parlor and bar, and I

32:27

would go there often for a drink after work

32:29

and to catch up with neighbors. Now

32:32

look, like I said, I'm a 42

32:34

year old Midwestern woman who was taught

32:36

to be polite, not to interrupt and

32:38

to always defer to her elders. But

32:41

like I said, I was also newly

32:43

on a path of self appreciation and

32:46

taking up space. One

32:48

night after work, I went to said pizza parlor

32:50

for a drink and said hi to people. Not

32:53

that it matters, a wit what I was

32:55

wearing, but for sinister reference, I was wearing

32:57

one of my favorite dresses, a

33:00

gold knit number with a cow neck

33:02

that I still haven't gotten rid of,

33:04

even though I now wear almost all

33:06

black, just because it's that glorious. So

33:10

I sit down at the bar, and next to me

33:12

is this old guy. I've seen

33:14

him around, but I didn't know his name at that time.

33:17

While I'm talking to the person on my other side, this

33:20

old guy puts his hand

33:22

on my exposed thigh and starts

33:24

rubbing it. This listener

33:26

is my May moment. I

33:29

completely snapped, and in this

33:31

moment, at 35 years of age, I

33:33

suddenly understood with picture perfect

33:35

clarity, with the younger generations had

33:38

already figured out, that I am

33:40

my own person, and that

33:42

I don't have to take shit

33:44

from anyone, especially because of my

33:46

gender. And I realized that

33:49

it took me longer than it should have because

33:51

I had been conditioned by society to just shake

33:53

it off. Kudos to

33:55

May's manager for taking her situation

33:57

seriously, and for fuck's sake, what

33:59

is wrong? with people. I

34:02

slapped his hand away, called over the bartender,

34:04

and made a scene. People

34:06

tried to placate me. I was having none

34:08

of it, until the old guy was escorted

34:10

off the property. He asked

34:12

me as the bartender grabbed his arm, if you

34:14

didn't want me to touch you, why are you

34:16

dressed that way? I

34:19

stared after him in disbelief. Fast

34:22

forward a few months. The neighborhood was

34:24

mourning the passing of a long time

34:26

resident, and pictures were passed around on

34:28

social media of his many appearances as

34:31

Santa Claus over the years. Guess

34:33

who it was? It was that

34:35

old guy. I spent the

34:37

next week sharing with anyone who would

34:39

listen about how I was sexually molested

34:41

by Santa Claus. Now

34:44

in a life I couldn't have even imagined a decade

34:46

ago, I own a restaurant with

34:48

my partner in all things, and am grateful

34:50

every day to take no shit from anyone.

34:53

My staff knows that if anyone makes them

34:56

the tiniest bit uncomfortable, that I will step

34:58

in and escort them off the property, which

35:00

I've done many times since we opened our doors

35:02

five years ago. Our regulars

35:05

also know that this is a safe space,

35:07

and it's one of the biggest blessings in

35:09

my life to be this safe space for

35:11

people. I'm making up for

35:13

lost time over here. So if

35:15

my sinister are ever in the St.

35:17

Louis area, and want a place that

35:19

celebrates the amazing humans we are, and

35:21

serves killer tacos, Rockstar Tacos is the

35:24

pulse. I so look forward

35:26

to your first show of the tour, and rest

35:28

assured that I will come bearing Rockstar gifts. All

35:31

my best, Becca. Aw,

35:33

well I love to, first of

35:36

all Becca, thank you for sharing that, and I

35:38

love to hear that Lindsay and May's stories inspired

35:40

you, and I liked it that you called it,

35:42

This is My May Moment. May, we all have

35:44

May Moment. Oh, and we're in May? We're rebranding

35:46

May, instead of being just sweating trash bags. We're

35:49

rebranding it to awesome, just like have a May

35:51

Moment, which is like I'm going to stand up

35:53

for myself, and I'm just going to say something.

35:56

So yes, I love it. Becca

36:00

also sent us the menu to rockstar tacos

36:02

and invited us to come over there and

36:05

took one look and was like, oh Yeah,

36:08

I'm gonna be there like

36:11

Honestly, if you live in st. Louis, even if

36:14

you don't go check it out The menu looks

36:16

incredible and Becca we can't wait to

36:18

come get some tacos and meet you in

36:20

person You are a badass. It takes a

36:22

lot to blow up

36:24

your life like Lindsay did too and just

36:27

start over but Look

36:29

at how both of you have come so

36:31

far and are so much happier Because

36:34

you took the misery of

36:36

uncertainty over the misery of certainty and

36:38

it's changed your life Good for

36:40

you for real and like you think

36:42

ten years from now Where am I even gonna

36:44

be? You couldn't have even imagined that ten years

36:47

from where you were that you were gonna be

36:49

an employer to people like you said giving them

36:51

a place Where they feel like they're

36:53

supported as you know people who work there as people

36:55

who come there We're gonna get some

36:57

good tacos there It's those choices that we make

36:59

that seem so scary and we can't know where

37:01

they'll end up We just have to have faith

37:04

belief in ourselves that they'll end up somewhere It's

37:06

like I don't know what to do But I

37:08

know I can do the next best thing as best the

37:10

next thing as best as I can Because you're like, I

37:12

don't know what the best choice is I just know I

37:15

can make this choice which in your case

37:17

was to leave and just to have somebody

37:19

to grab You know, you're newly single and you're

37:21

like getting groped on by a person You're like,

37:23

I'm glad everyone loves you as Santa Claus But

37:26

I was just trying to have a drink here and I'm

37:28

allowed to wear whatever gold dress I want to wear if

37:30

I didn't want to get grabbed on don't dress like

37:32

that Santa sir no

37:35

off your band from the North

37:37

Pole knows her and oh, oh

37:39

no Such

37:41

a stereotype to say that kind of thing

37:43

is and good for you for not letting

37:46

everyone just be like, oh, it's okay Just

37:48

like kind of letting it go and being

37:50

like no, he just assaulted me get his

37:52

ass out of here Like yes, we need

37:54

more of that like not not

37:57

saying something and then people are like, okay,

37:59

but can you? just chill out. You're like,

38:01

No, I will not chill out. Mm hmm.

38:03

Do something about this. I'm not the one

38:05

in the wrong here. For real, every time

38:07

I hear you know, anything like this, I'm

38:09

like, the line is touching people like you

38:11

don't get to be taught you that in

38:13

kindergarten. I'm sure Ellis class first grade they're

38:15

like, you can't just touch your classmates however

38:17

you want. It's keep your hands to yourself.

38:20

Don't steal things that aren't yours that book

38:22

that they said they taught everything in kindergarten.

38:24

It really is true though. It's like, you

38:26

can't guys being like, Oh, she was wearing a

38:29

dress so I just grabbed a holdover. In

38:31

what world is grabbing a hold to anybody fine. It's not

38:33

unless there's a subway coming in there about to walk right

38:35

in front of it, then you grab a hold of them

38:37

and you pull them back and you save them from the

38:39

subway. But something like this where

38:41

it's just like, keep your hands to yourself.

38:43

It's right in there. It's right in there,

38:45

man. I hate it. And I

38:47

always think, what do you think

38:50

is gonna happen? Do you think this is gonna

38:52

work? But then I think must have. Yeah,

38:55

but probably not because somebody wanted

38:57

it to probably because somebody was

39:01

frozen in fear and didn't know what to

39:03

do. And you know, people

39:06

did just you are taught to brush

39:08

it off and just like, well,

39:10

and I mean,

39:13

the the whole trope of well,

39:15

what were you wearing if I had a dollar

39:17

for every time I've heard that in a story,

39:19

or even have been

39:21

told myself like, why were you wearing

39:23

that if you didn't want that to

39:26

happen? Like, what

39:28

do you mean? I'm not the

39:31

person who needs to be getting grilled

39:33

here. I'm not the one to blame. Yeah, anybody

39:35

can ever wear anything they want forever. And that

39:37

doesn't give anybody the right ever to grab a

39:40

hold of them or do anything to them. That

39:42

part of the Avengers where he's like, I'm always angry

39:44

and immediately turns into the Hulk. If you're telling me

39:46

a story and it's like, well, yeah, but like, what

39:48

was she wearing? I'll turn the fucking oaks over if

39:50

your arms off. Or if your arms right

39:53

off the table like a spider monkey hopped up

39:55

on mountain. Like, I really don't just play them

39:57

off and be with your own arms. But

40:00

yeah, I'm happy to hear though, Becca,

40:03

that it's turned into something beautiful, right?

40:05

Like you took being kind of, you

40:07

know, I'm gonna take this back for

40:09

me. It's like we say with the show, not just

40:11

taking a power back for yourself, but finding ways that

40:13

you can free somebody else and help somebody else. So

40:16

having a business in the community where people know that

40:18

they're not gonna get harassed, where it is a safe

40:20

place to get a good meal, where you can get

40:22

a job there and you know that you're not gonna

40:24

get harassed at work. That's such a valuable thing. So

40:26

thank you for taking your freedom and sharing it and

40:28

freeing some other people. And

40:31

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42:37

this next one is from Matilda and the subject

42:40

line is the vanishing onion and a glitch in

42:42

the matrix. Hi,

42:44

ladies. I absolutely love the podcast. I've

42:46

seen the live show twice now once

42:48

in the old format once is full

42:50

moon energy and had an absolute blast

42:53

both times. Your content is

42:55

always top notch and I'm here to tell

42:57

everyone that the Patreon is 1000% worth

43:00

it. I could continue to sing your

43:02

praises. But let me get on with my story.

43:05

When I was a kid, my dad had a job where

43:07

he worked 7am to 3pm while

43:09

my mom worked a more traditional nine

43:12

to five plus traffic. Therefore,

43:14

every weekday, my dad cooked dinner.

43:17

I loved being in the kitchen with my dad.

43:19

He would always explain what he was doing and

43:21

we taste along the way. It was

43:23

one of my true happy places. One

43:26

night when we were cooking dinner, my dad grabbed an

43:28

onion out of the fridge. As he

43:30

went to put it on the counter, he dropped it. I

43:32

saw this out of the corner of my eyes. I was

43:34

setting the table and I heard the thud as the onion

43:36

hit the ground. Except when

43:39

he went to pick up the onion couldn't find it.

43:42

We started looking everywhere, just

43:44

glancing around at first. Then we

43:46

got down on our hands and knees and started

43:48

looking under things between the fridge and the wall,

43:50

even looking in the hallway in case it rolled

43:53

out of the kitchen. Eventually, he

43:55

just grabbed another onion from the fridge and said,

43:57

well, I guess we'll find it when it starts

43:59

to smell. But we never

44:01

did. That onion vanished from

44:03

our kitchen floor into another dimension.

44:06

More than once my dad told me that he was so glad

44:08

I had witnessed it too, or else he would

44:11

have thought he was losing his mind. That

44:13

alone is strange enough. However, there

44:15

is more to the story. Twelve

44:17

years later, I moved states for grad

44:19

school. My parents and I drove

44:21

in two cars over the course of two days

44:24

to my new apartment that I had rented

44:26

sight unseen. Side note, it

44:28

thankfully ended up being a great apartment

44:30

with my only complaint being a neighbor

44:32

who loudly sang a circle of life

44:34

from the Lion King every single morning

44:36

in the shower for the two years that I lived there. Before

44:39

we began unloading, we explored the apartment.

44:42

It was left empty and super clean,

44:44

except when my dad opened the coat closet and

44:46

called me over. There, in

44:48

the middle of the empty closet, was

44:51

an onion, the same type that

44:53

we had lost all those years before. My dad

44:56

and I exchanged a look and couldn't believe what

44:58

we were seeing. Just like we didn't

45:00

know where the onion went, we didn't know where

45:02

this onion came from. But I like

45:05

to believe it was some crazy glitch in

45:07

the matrix, and that onion came back to

45:09

us. And because I know you're the

45:11

type to like closure, no, we did not eat or

45:13

cook with that onion. We kept it on the counter

45:15

for a couple of days and eventually threw it out. My

45:18

dad passed in 2021, and I miss

45:20

him every day. We had so

45:23

many kitchen adventures, but this one was

45:25

the strangest. Now I cook

45:27

with my kids, and I hope that we're making

45:29

great memories too. Thanks for

45:31

everything. Keep it creepy. Matilda.

45:34

Holy shit, you found the onion 12 years later. That's

45:39

wild. And who's

45:42

to say how to explain it,

45:44

but I'm not going to discount

45:46

that it fell through into another

45:48

dimension into the future where you

45:50

were going to eventually live. That's,

45:53

it fell into your closet. Where would it have

45:55

gone? And then even more

45:58

strange, how, why was They're

46:00

just an onion in a closet and otherwise empty

46:02

apartment, right? It's not like well, we dropped a

46:04

box of mothballs and then later I found a

46:06

box of mothballs in a closet It's like well,

46:08

yeah, those stay in a closet but the fact

46:11

that you open up this closet in this place

46:13

that you rented sight unseen, so You

46:16

had already chosen it or had the

46:18

apartment already chosen you And

46:21

then you open it up and the onions right there waiting

46:23

for you. That's wild and I'm with your dad It's one

46:25

of those where you're like, thank God

46:28

Matilda was with me They never believed

46:30

me and if 12 years

46:32

later y'all can look at each other and immediately

46:34

know what you're thinking It's

46:36

a memory that had you know lived

46:38

rent-free up there of like know about

46:40

the onion thing, right? Yes It's

46:43

one of your like I'll never forget

46:46

it Well a future upcoming episode that

46:48

we'll have for y'all coming soon. There's

46:51

some Question of

46:53

what what does it mean when an object

46:55

passes like a solid object passes through another

46:57

solid object? What is is it?

47:00

Psychokinesis, is it a ghost? Is it a

47:02

glitch in the matrix? What is it? So

47:04

you're not alone Matilda the your onion just

47:07

moved through not only space but also

47:09

time and distance

47:11

and sounded like I like

47:13

to think that However, it ended

47:15

up there It was a sign that you

47:17

had made the right choice for your apartment

47:20

grad school all of that Like you were

47:22

on the right path for that. So that's

47:24

right to me I I think as

47:26

weird as it is. I would also be comforted

47:28

that like Oh the onions here You're like, oh,

47:30

well, at least I know it's the right place.

47:33

My I found me I found my onion, but

47:35

that's me and what a beautiful not just a

47:37

memory you have with your dad But now new

47:39

memories you get to make with your kids, too

47:41

Yes, the kids love cooking with Tommy as well.

47:43

And that was a big thing he did with

47:46

his grandma So time in

47:48

the kitchen is that's where a lot of great

47:50

memories are made So good for you and good

47:52

for keeping it going with your own kiddos

47:54

That's awesome. Thank you Matilda Well,

47:58

this next one is from ash Here's

48:00

our double feature. Our Bigfoot feature. How

48:02

excited are you on a level of one

48:04

to 10? I'm like a 53. Okay.

48:08

We're up there with two

48:10

Bigfoot stories coming up. You

48:12

really did me a favor. Thank you. You're

48:15

welcome. Well, you actually all did us a favor by

48:17

even sending these in. So thank you very much. Well, let's kick

48:19

it off with Ash. And the

48:22

subject line is, my grandpa's Bigfoot story,

48:24

tall tale or did it happen? Hey

48:29

ladies, I've sent in a couple of

48:31

tales here and there because like most

48:33

neurodivergence, I reassure others that I'm listening

48:35

by telling a story I've related to

48:37

something they've said. And apparently that drifts

48:39

into the podcast world. I'm not

48:42

sure if that's as sad as I think it is or

48:44

if it's just my current place in life. Either

48:46

way, I love your content and I get so

48:48

excited when one of my comments gets replied to

48:50

on Instagram or Facebook. I'm

48:52

a mom who sews and works in a preschool for

48:54

a living. And I'm in the process of leaving a

48:56

marriage I should have ended a long time ago, but

48:59

better late than never and your stories get me

49:01

through. 2024 is

49:03

not my year, but at least I'm not in

49:05

a cult. Am I right? Well, there

49:08

was that one time I sold leggings though. I'm

49:10

kidding. That wasn't that bad. Anyway, on

49:13

with my story. I'm a big

49:15

fan of cryptids. I may or may

49:17

not have taught my preschool class about the Mothman.

49:20

Just a brief glossing. I'm not giving anyone

49:22

nightmares. Those kids are not fun when they're

49:24

sleep deprived. I almost quit the day after

49:26

Halloween. I like to say I was

49:28

brought up to be a weird little skeptic though. My

49:30

grandfather, my dad's dad, used to

49:32

sneak me books about UFOs and

49:35

secret government experiments out of his

49:37

personal library and family functions starting

49:39

in junior high. The first book

49:41

he ever gave me was called Hoosier Folklore

49:43

when I was in sixth grade and I

49:45

demolished it in two days and didn't sleep

49:47

for a week. Gramps also

49:49

had some awesome stories he used to tell

49:51

me over lunch with me and my dad. You

49:54

see, my grandpa was in the Secret

49:56

Service. I believe in the 1960s. When

50:00

he retired from that, he moved back to

50:02

his hometown and became a detective for the

50:04

Indiana State Police. One

50:06

night, a boy and a girl were parking at the end

50:08

of their date. Her family was down a

50:11

lane that had trees on either side and a hill in

50:13

the middle, so you could only see the

50:15

end of the drive from the upstairs of the house. The

50:18

boy had parked at the end of the drive and killed the

50:20

lights. The music was low on

50:22

the radio, the windows were down, the car

50:25

was off, and they were making out. The

50:28

boy heard gravel moving like footsteps and thought

50:30

maybe they had missed her curfew and had

50:32

been spotted by her dad, so he flipped

50:34

on his headlights to greet him and plead

50:37

their innocence slash apologize. But

50:39

instead of her dad, a tall, hairy

50:41

man stood in the middle of the

50:44

drive. It stared at them

50:46

for a split second, let out a

50:48

growl, and took off into the trees. The

50:51

boy and the girl, understandably startled, hauled ass

50:53

up to the house and woke her parents,

50:56

who, like any parent of a teen who just

50:58

got home and was screaming about an ape

51:00

man in the 1960s or 70s, never really

51:02

dated the story, but I know he left

51:04

the ISP in the early 1980s. The

51:07

parents called the law because their kids were on

51:09

drugs, they were sure of it, and worse, they

51:11

were having a bad reaction. So

51:14

my grandpa dragged his ass out of bed and

51:16

to the home, had some coffee, and

51:18

heard the story from both the boy and the

51:20

girl. He got some razzing

51:22

about it, and there was a couple of weird

51:24

incidents in the weeks and months following. The

51:27

roof was ripped off someone's rabbit cage and their

51:29

pet rabbits were missing, except for the remnants of

51:31

one. A house with aluminum siding had

51:33

a corner peeled back and strange hair was

51:35

on the edge. But nothing really

51:37

came of it. My grandpa left

51:40

the state police and became a private investigator.

51:43

My grandpa is a lover of weird stuff too

51:45

though, so the story has always stuck with

51:47

him. In my early 20s,

51:49

so the early 2000s, he was visiting with

51:51

dad and I and said, guess

51:53

who I saw? Apparently, he

51:55

saw the boy from that night,

51:57

all grown up, and they were

52:00

Recognize each other, My. Grandpa who

52:02

is my grandma the time as the boy

52:04

to tell her story. you know because he

52:06

was a little rusty. nudge nudge wink wink.

52:09

And when you know the guy told

52:11

the exact same story he had told

52:13

my grandpa that night. It. Hadn't

52:15

changed a bit. When. You're investigating.

52:17

That means a lot. Lies.

52:19

Are hard. To remember. So. Or drug

52:22

fueled hallucinations. I bet. The. Either

52:24

way, Big Pop as my girls refer to

52:26

I'm. Still, Tells the story to

52:28

my two kiddos from is nice cushy apartment

52:30

in a retirement home. And. It's still

52:32

the same as the first time I heard it

52:34

all those years ago. So. That's.

52:37

The time my grandpa had to investigate a

52:39

big said citing. If. This story

52:41

makes the pod. Thanks! My birthday is this

52:44

month and have already bought myself one a

52:46

your flat woods monster cheese that this would

52:48

be an awesome way to celebrate turning forty

52:50

two. Sharing my favorite story from grams of

52:53

my favorite podcast. Keep. Being awesome

52:55

ladies and help the kids he lives soon When

52:57

the six I'm sad as a fan. As.

53:00

As. Bad as

53:03

spread like that. Go enough on my

53:05

lexicon for sure. When the sitcoms out

53:07

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53:10

hour, that's how to come out as.

53:13

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53:15

have the fortieth. That's incredible and

53:17

you so much for celebrating your fortieth

53:19

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53:21

Sig Pops Big! so sorry why I

53:24

love that Ah mans to try

53:26

to make out after a date

53:28

and. Is like group. Oh.

53:30

Man, you're nine years curfew.

53:33

Honestly though, Are.

53:35

You relieved. In

53:37

just the slightest that when you turn

53:39

on your headlights it's not your dates

53:41

Dad said in Marin on Saturday from.

53:44

I. Know her as Sasquatch the drug addict

53:46

run home and seller parents have lots of

53:48

yeah right He's like well if I turn

53:50

my head lights on and it's or dad

53:52

and my get beaten and if it's big

53:54

plus I might get eaten but probably die.

53:57

So many go down for his efforts to

53:59

five fifty five. That of course they're

54:01

having a quote. Bad reaction? Yes said.

54:03

Examine the Reefer Zero I haven't Bags

54:05

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54:08

chance they sell other on As you

54:10

know you're right it is a big

54:12

thing on people's stories say consists and

54:14

I mean we can do that and

54:17

like major true crime story as a

54:19

big thing that. When. Stories Change

54:21

that looks a little success at

54:23

all those years later still have

54:25

the exact same story speaks. Volumes

54:27

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54:30

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58:01

line, my dad's Bigfoot encounter.

58:04

Allison writes, hello ladies, started

58:07

listening to the show back in December when

58:09

I was in the NICU for six to

58:11

eight hours every day with my newborn niece.

58:13

I needed something to occupy my time while

58:16

I held her and your podcast was perfect,

58:18

in the earbuds of course. Since

58:20

then I've made it through your entire back

58:22

catalog. I've been waiting to send

58:24

in my dad's story in case you received

58:26

hundreds of Bigfoot encounters. But now that I'm

58:29

caught up, I think you've gotten maybe three?

58:31

I figured it was time. Is this

58:33

story one that my dad and his brothers

58:36

concocted to scare all the children around the

58:38

campfire? Maybe, but they

58:40

all swear to it to this day.

58:43

My dad grew up in Washington state. My

58:46

poor grandmother raised five boys. She

58:49

was all about getting them out of the house as much

58:51

as possible. They're all huge

58:53

outdoorsmen. One day when they

58:55

were in their late teens, early twenties, so this would have

58:57

been the late 1960s to early 1970s, they

59:01

decided they would go hike Mount St. Helens.

59:04

They packed up their hiking and camping gear and

59:06

headed out. They figured there would

59:08

be somewhere to set up camp along the trail. So

59:10

they set out as soon as they got there. By

59:13

the time the sun was setting, they were only about

59:15

halfway down the mountain and decided it was

59:17

best to just go ahead and make camp on the

59:19

trail. They set up their tent

59:21

and eventually went to bed. Yes,

59:23

all five of them in one tent.

59:26

In the middle of the night, one of them was awoken

59:28

by a loud noise. He shot up

59:31

and looked around, but all the others were still asleep

59:33

and he couldn't see anything from outside the tent

59:36

like a flashlight. So he laid

59:38

his head back down. A few

59:40

minutes later, he heard the noise again. It

59:43

was a deep guttural howling type of

59:45

noise, nothing one of the local

59:47

animals would make. He shoved the

59:49

brother next to him to get him to wake up and

59:51

whispered, listen. The

59:54

brother was annoyed, but he quieted down and

59:56

listened. He heard the noise and

59:58

they shared a knowing look. It

1:00:01

wasn't a bear. It wasn't a mountain

1:00:03

lion. They didn't know what it was. They

1:00:06

started to wake the others when they

1:00:08

were hit by a sudden wave of

1:00:10

the most disgusting smell they had ever

1:00:12

experienced. Like rotting garbage or

1:00:14

bad fish, but times ten. The

1:00:17

noises were continuing and sounded like they were getting

1:00:19

closer. So they decided to

1:00:21

turn the flashlight on and peek outside.

1:00:23

As soon as the

1:00:25

flashlight came on, the tent started shaking

1:00:27

violently. They were arguing about what

1:00:29

to do when one of them grabbed the flashlight,

1:00:32

turned it off, and whisper yelled, QUIET! They

1:00:35

all fell silent. And just as

1:00:37

quickly as it had started, the shaking stopped.

1:00:40

So did all the noises, and the smell

1:00:42

slowly faded. They agreed to

1:00:45

sit in the dark and quiet until the sun came

1:00:47

up and then booked it out of air. Several

1:00:50

hours later, they could tell the sun was rising,

1:00:52

so they bravely peeked out of the entrance to

1:00:54

the tent. The trail looked

1:00:56

just as it did when they went to

1:00:58

bed, except there were several large tracks of

1:01:01

footprints, too big for any man to make.

1:01:03

They broke down their camp as fast as they could

1:01:05

and made their way back down the trail to their

1:01:07

car. So what

1:01:09

do you think? Did my

1:01:12

dad and all his brothers encounter not

1:01:14

one, but potentially several bigfoots, big feet,

1:01:16

that night on a hiking trail on

1:01:18

Mount St. Helens? Or was

1:01:20

this just a scary story to tell the kids that

1:01:22

fit the lore of the area? Before

1:01:25

you decide, a follow up note. My

1:01:27

dad's oldest brother worked in a very good

1:01:30

government job until I was in my teens,

1:01:32

and then he quit to become a bigfoot

1:01:35

hunter. You read that right.

1:01:37

My uncle was a bigfoot hunter for several

1:01:39

years, and many of his feet cast are

1:01:41

in the Crypto Zoology Museum in Portland,

1:01:43

Maine. He was also featured on

1:01:46

a few bigfoot hunting shows. His

1:01:48

most prized possession was what he considered to be

1:01:50

a full body cast that he brought to Mother's

1:01:52

Day one year. However, I think he

1:01:54

also sold that to a museum somewhere.

1:01:56

Shrugs. So what do you

1:01:58

think? Well

1:02:01

I think that if I don't get a full-body

1:02:03

cast as a Bigfoot

1:02:05

on Sunday yeah Mother's Day is a bust.

1:02:07

Yeah for Mother's Day. I think Tommy's been

1:02:10

working on it that's what he's like don't

1:02:12

come in the garage I'm still working out

1:02:14

here. What

1:02:17

a thing to show up with for that brunch

1:02:19

but yeah I gotta say you know

1:02:22

it might be just like ah maybe they

1:02:24

made it up maybe not but

1:02:27

when your uncle quits his job

1:02:29

there's become a full-time Bigfoot hunter

1:02:31

I think that speaks volumes about

1:02:33

what he really saw or in

1:02:35

beliefs that he experienced. For real

1:02:37

and I think Washington State is

1:02:39

Bigfoot country I mean that's like

1:02:41

right the area our

1:02:43

experience at the the Bigfoot Museum in

1:02:45

boring Oregon was we got a little

1:02:47

squirt puff of the scent of the

1:02:50

Bigfoot musk and it does stink so

1:02:52

that's part of it is the roaring

1:02:54

the guttural. They can't get all their

1:02:56

matted fur. They can't just like come through

1:02:59

it. Yeah I mean they're just like babing

1:03:01

in some river water and stuff. Yeah they

1:03:03

can't help but it's things get they things

1:03:05

get dicey out there but I think this

1:03:08

the sound of that not lion not bear

1:03:10

like you know it's kind of like yeah

1:03:12

well you start to kind of check off

1:03:14

like what could this possibly be but that

1:03:17

same they always say it's like that guttural

1:03:19

body like it hits like at a lower

1:03:21

maybe like a lower octave or on a

1:03:23

different frequency or something so

1:03:25

that could get you to quit your very

1:03:28

good government job to become a Bigfoot hunter

1:03:30

certainly. I gotta

1:03:32

say your uncles are very brave to be

1:03:34

like we need to take a peek outside. I

1:03:36

would have been the one that was like everybody

1:03:41

stop. Shut up turn off

1:03:43

the lights everybody. But

1:03:45

that's um I don't

1:03:48

know he it worked he

1:03:50

left so good because

1:03:52

if you here's the thing I

1:03:57

don't want anybody to have an encounter where

1:03:59

they're in danger. Danger yes, or mauled But

1:04:03

I would love for one

1:04:05

of these times Someone to be

1:04:07

like we're gonna peek outside and

1:04:09

they peek outside and then the Bigfoot is

1:04:12

like and

1:04:14

then there's like a moment between the two

1:04:16

of them and we learn

1:04:18

like hey Hey, man, we're just here

1:04:20

camping. What are you doing? He's like

1:04:22

I'm here camping too This is where I

1:04:24

live and then you know

1:04:27

you get to bond and have some

1:04:29

Bigfoot campfire stories Instead

1:04:31

of us just being terrified and like now

1:04:33

we're like what do we do? Oh, I

1:04:35

guess we've become a bigfoot hunter who is

1:04:38

a very acclaimed Bigfoot hunter He's I mean

1:04:40

if you were on a team to both

1:04:42

in the in the Bigfoot world If you're

1:04:44

on the shows and you're donating things to

1:04:46

museums, yeah, I'm sure your name gets out

1:04:48

there No, I see your plan may not

1:04:50

be too far off They're figuring out how

1:04:52

to map the language of sperm whales so

1:04:55

that AI can respond to so if

1:04:57

we can Figure out some day Yeah If

1:05:00

you could basically like catalog every noise that they make

1:05:02

it would be like Cattle on every noise that humans

1:05:04

make and then trying to like decode it back.

1:05:06

Yeah Yeah, we're gonna crack a

1:05:09

rival because she has to like write down

1:05:11

all of the Noises

1:05:13

and and symbols and stuff that the

1:05:15

aliens draw to basically figure out a

1:05:17

new language So they're doing that have

1:05:19

AI do it you could do the same way Dolphins

1:05:23

Really any but they're actively working on it right now

1:05:25

with those sperm whales Yeah I guess because sperm

1:05:28

whales they do have such a like a

1:05:30

data collection of the various sounds that they

1:05:32

make and an Understanding of what sounds that

1:05:34

they make so that it's like this cutting-edge

1:05:36

thing that they're like when a few years

1:05:38

We're able to talk to whales and then

1:05:40

maybe from then on use that pattern

1:05:42

and I was like doctor do a little it

1:05:44

So we're gonna be talking to animals within the

1:05:46

next 50 years Easily. Yes.

1:05:48

Yeah. Yeah, and they're gonna be like stop ruining

1:05:51

things like they answered like do you do you

1:05:53

go? Are you gonna listen you're gonna start listening

1:05:55

to them? They're gonna be like stop throwing shit

1:05:57

in the ocean and send it like yeah, turn

1:05:59

it down and you turn the air down. It's like

1:06:01

when you ask me, how's it going in the house? I'd

1:06:04

turn the air conditioner down. Just make it colder. I

1:06:07

wonder what Petal would have to say if

1:06:09

we were able to understand her. A

1:06:12

lot of hot types. When you

1:06:14

can understand this. Yeah, when. Oh

1:06:16

my goodness. Well, I hope that

1:06:19

the Bigfoot hunters out there get the hold of this

1:06:21

technology and get to make the contact that they want

1:06:23

to make and take us on a hunt with them

1:06:25

because that's, we've been on a paranormal investigation. That's the

1:06:27

next thing we need to do. We

1:06:29

need a Nessie hunt. We need a

1:06:31

Bigfoot hunt. We've been graced

1:06:34

with getting into the paranormal

1:06:36

investigation world. And

1:06:39

now if we can befriend

1:06:41

some cryptid hunters, that's

1:06:43

our next step on it. That's

1:06:45

the plan. Yeah, that's what we got. I

1:06:47

feel like Oregon is a good

1:06:50

place to start. Yeah, Oregon, Washington State, anywhere

1:06:52

in the Pacific Northwest. And Allison, you cracked

1:06:54

me up when you're like, I heard it.

1:06:56

I thought you might've gotten hundreds of them,

1:06:58

but now you've maybe only gotten three. And

1:07:00

I think we're at like five or six

1:07:02

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1:07:04

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