0:00

I grew as a talent working with

0:02

Brett because he pushed me to limits

0:05

that I didn't know that I had or

0:08

that I needed to get to to make

0:10

that character continue to grow. And

0:12

I owe a lot of that to Brett. ["The

0:15

Star-Spangled Banner"] Well,

0:26

man, how you doing,

0:28

brother? It's just us today. It's

0:30

just us, well. And, you

0:33

know, our mystery partner.

0:35

Our mystery partner. That's... We

0:39

have this right before when the podcast really

0:41

takes the big dump that's going to go

0:44

in there. So the

0:46

urn that, you know, Paul

0:49

Bearer would carry us, I mean, was

0:52

that just something, I mean, like, today

0:54

we have Amazon and we can order an

0:57

urn off Amazon, like, where did the urn come from?

0:59

Do I have to go, like, actually to a funeral

1:01

home? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well,

1:04

you know, Paul was a licensed mortician.

1:06

So, I mean, he, I

1:08

think he got a discount, but he

1:10

would go, yeah, he'd, oh no, he took

1:12

a lot of pride in picking out the

1:14

urn. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And

1:19

the original one, when it got all banged up

1:21

and busted up, we stopped using it. And we

1:23

actually went to this version

1:25

for a while. They didn't like it because it

1:27

was so heavy, but the original version that we

1:29

use, they stopped making. So,

1:32

yeah, this one's heavy, man. This

1:35

one. Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is the first time I ever,

1:38

even to put my hands on an urn to me. Oh, really? Yeah,

1:40

like, I don't know. Does it creep you out or anything? It doesn't

1:42

creep me out at all. Death

1:44

is not... Death, you're dying

1:46

on danger and flirt with death, all

1:48

that, right? But danger doesn't, dying

1:51

doesn't scare me. How I die does scare me. Like,

1:53

I worry about that part. I

1:55

don't wanna drown, I don't wanna burn to death. I

1:58

don't wanna... Freeze or something. Yeah. I don't want

2:00

any of those things to happen to me. You want

2:02

to be quick. Being dead, that's just part of life.

2:04

I mean, that's just going to happen. So

2:08

that part, I've never cared. Like, well, I'm going

2:10

to die. Everybody dies. Everybody going to die. Yeah,

2:12

that part's not a big deal to me. It's

2:14

just like how I'm going to die is the,

2:17

like that's something

2:20

I probably think about. I promise you

2:22

that I will not have anything to

2:24

do with the death of Matt Lyda.

2:26

I really... Does that make

2:28

you feel better? It

2:31

will be his wife. It will be his wife.

2:33

Don't worry about Amy more than I do. You

2:36

at this point. So, but no, new,

2:38

you know, the set is evolving constantly. Right?

2:45

This is nice, man. Yeah. We

2:47

look classy. We've cleaned it up. Very

2:49

minimalist look to it right now. We're

2:53

going to get this right one day. One day. And then we're

2:55

going to be stuck. The last episode is going to be great.

2:58

This is going to look really good. On

3:00

the last episode of the show. Oh yeah, the

3:02

last episode we recorded. We'll have

3:04

it perfect. And then we're

3:06

going to be out. Screw

3:09

it all. Maybe we'll just

3:11

film like an hour and a half of

3:14

nothing but the set. Just run

3:16

that and see how much. See how many views

3:18

we actually see. They're just waiting

3:20

for something to be. Yeah, exactly. To come up.

3:23

Would it be something then if like all our

3:25

views and everything just like doubled and

3:27

then we weren't even here? Greatest

3:29

podcast ever because Matt isn't talking.

3:31

Wow, that would be, that

3:34

was easy. I don't mind, I'm not even going to take it. I'm

3:37

not even going to take it. I've got a

3:39

buddy that recorded himself sleeping

3:41

and got over a million views one

3:43

time. He just set his

3:45

phone up on Facebook and. Like

3:49

record, actually like visual recording or just

3:51

his audio? He just put his phone

3:53

up and recorded himself sleeping one night

3:56

and got over a million views. See.

4:00

Just him sleeping. Yeah. What's

4:02

wrong with people? People

4:04

will watch anything, man. Obviously.

4:06

Yeah. I

4:08

mean, we're proof of that. For

4:11

sure. What the

4:13

hell? Yeah. But he

4:15

just, I mean, that was his

4:17

intention, like just to see how many views he would

4:19

get. He's like, you know, he does

4:21

a lot of comedy stuff and everything else. He has

4:24

pretty decent following. And he was just like, let's see

4:26

what people do. And he plugged his

4:28

phone up and everything else, so he wouldn't die. And

4:31

just, I think he may have

4:33

been on like Facebook Live or something like that. And

4:36

went for

4:38

seven, eight hours of him sleeping. So

4:42

you hear him snoring and rolling, you know, tossing

4:44

back and forth and everything else in the bed.

4:46

He'd be far-agreeing. Probably so. I mean,

4:48

I didn't watch eight hours of Jack

4:51

sleeping. Makes

4:54

a sister, even. Why somebody

4:56

would do that. How

4:58

more do you have to be to watch

5:00

somebody? There's, yeah. But I

5:02

mean, okay, so, you know me. I

5:04

don't know anything about anything

5:07

we're doing. Well, we joke about

5:09

it, but it's actually very serious on my part. So

5:13

like if somebody posts through that and

5:15

someone just like clicked on it for

5:17

10 seconds and then click off, is that

5:19

a ad? Yeah, yeah. That gets you a

5:21

view. Yes. That gets you a

5:23

view. Yeah. So you have to

5:25

watch for a certain amount of time to get

5:28

a view, right? And it's not very long. I

5:30

mean, it's been seconds, to be honest with you.

5:33

So yeah, like if there was a million people that

5:36

watched at least, we'll say 10 seconds. Exactly. Yeah.

5:40

And, you know, he doesn't have a million followers

5:43

by any means. So that means it's getting shared.

5:45

That means, you know, people are talking

5:47

about it to where it's getting in your feed, to where

5:49

it's going. So

5:52

like if people don't necessarily follow

5:54

this page, but let's say they

5:56

follow WWE or they follow Cody

5:58

Rhodes or whatever. This

6:00

is a, it's called a lookalike audience. This,

6:02

our page is going to get in front

6:05

of them. So apparently if

6:07

they don't follow this guy that's filming

6:09

himself sleeping, but they're following other

6:11

people that put out ridiculous content, it's going

6:13

to get in their feet. So they're watching

6:15

other ridiculous content. That's what I'll. That's like

6:18

the algorithm. The algorithm, man. Like that? You

6:20

know, I knew that, right? Look at you.

6:22

You are a YouTuber. You

6:24

know, that's. At the core. At the core.

6:27

You are a YouTuber. You

6:30

know, it's funny. Chris

6:34

Manflete was like, he goes, man,

6:36

you guys are really doing a good job, man.

6:38

He goes, what y'all are doing? He

6:41

said, guys, you're 15, 16

6:43

episodes into this thing. And you're already the number one

6:45

pro wrestling goes, you're able to not do this in

6:47

like three months. It's like takers

6:50

also got a 30 year career. That

6:54

is helped this massively to

6:56

get to where it's at. I was like, let's

6:58

not. I always,

7:00

I always just think it was like, okay, he's

7:03

had this stellar career. Now let's watch the car,

7:05

the train wreck. And I

7:07

think we're, I think the train has

7:09

had some bumping moments

7:13

on bumpy moments on the tracks,

7:15

but I think it's getting smoother

7:17

as we go. I

7:20

mean, we just finished with an interview that may

7:22

literally derail the entire thing, but we'll see. Yeah,

7:27

that that's going to be, that's

7:30

either going to be really good

7:32

or really bad. A

7:34

lot of people are maybe question your personal

7:37

life of who you choose as your

7:39

friends. They may look at me and

7:42

go, you know what, Matt's not that

7:44

bad. Run Matt, run. You know, they

7:46

may actually start pulling for me now.

7:49

You're going to switch baby face on. I know I might

7:51

go baby face all of a sudden here. ICONIC

8:00

Yeah, I really appreciate

8:03

the support that the fans have given us. We

8:05

have become the number one pro wrestling podcast. We've

8:07

been in the top

8:10

five of sports podcast.

8:13

We've been inside the top 100 of

8:16

all podcasts in America, which is

8:18

insane to think about. Um,

8:23

I think the thing is though, being

8:25

in that top five of sports podcast,

8:28

man, we're right around the corner

8:31

from college football and the NFL.

8:33

This podcast, if we

8:35

can make it to football season, this podcast

8:37

may go, we

8:39

might just become a football podcast at that point.

8:41

If that's the case, I don't

8:44

think much. I don't think about much more than

8:46

when football season starts. I don't think much more

8:48

than college football and pro football. That's all I

8:50

think about. I

8:53

would love nothing more than us to sit here and

8:55

talk some, some football every every

8:58

week. We would have zero

9:00

viewers at that point, but Hey,

9:02

we'd be talking about something I

9:04

know about. I

9:08

don't have to guess about anymore. Oh

9:11

man. But you

9:14

know, uh, as we

9:16

are, I mean, when this podcast

9:18

comes out, we're going to

9:21

be approaching, um, one

9:24

of the better, not,

9:26

not that any of them are bad, but

9:28

one of the better premium live events. It's

9:30

really hard for me to switch from saying

9:32

pay-per-view to be honest with you. It's like

9:35

from being a pro wrestler to a

9:38

sports entertainer to a superstar

9:40

to all these like

9:43

the pay-per-view thing is just so ingrained

9:45

in me right now to say that,

9:47

but we're going to be approaching, um,

9:49

SummerSlam. Premium live event. A

9:51

premium live event called SummerSlam. Yes. I think

9:53

it's in Cleveland. It's going to be in

9:55

Cleveland. I'm going to be there. What

10:00

you got going on in Cleveland? I got a one

10:02

dead man going on Thursday.

10:05

Look at you. And then I'll be making, not in

10:07

the show, but I'm going to

10:09

make a, I have something going on with

10:12

the fans on

10:15

Saturday. Do they do the WWE

10:17

world at that event as well? I'm not

10:19

sure. No, no, no, I'm not

10:22

sure if

10:24

they do, I mean, it's SummerSlam, they

10:26

may do some kind of, maybe

10:28

a toned down version of what they did across the

10:30

menu. Yeah, maybe, because I believe they're doing a stadium

10:32

show. Is it going to be

10:34

at the Brown Stadium? I think so. Yeah, probably so.

10:38

So you're going to do the one dead man show. Is

10:40

it going to be in the same venue that you did

10:42

it? I'm not sure yet. I don't know which one, where

10:44

they booked it. Yeah. That was a

10:46

nice venue. That venue was cool. Yeah. I

10:50

remember the girl backstage, she was awesome in

10:52

the sense of like, she went and ran

10:54

and got the food and everything else. So

10:56

it worked at the venue. And she was

10:58

a sweetheart. And she

11:01

didn't know anything about wrestling. And

11:03

she was just like, Well, she knew even less after

11:05

that show. She didn't know

11:07

anything about wrestling. But

11:09

she was like, he's a really nice guy. She's like,

11:12

is he one of the bigger names and all this

11:14

stuff? But I was like, well, he's got his own,

11:17

one dead man show. He's

11:19

like, yeah, he's definitely a

11:21

big deal. But all

11:24

I remember was like, you got that bone

11:26

broth that she ran and got. That was

11:28

good. Yeah, you were talking. That bone broth

11:30

was good, man. Yeah. So

11:35

Cleveland, SummerSlam is coming up.

11:37

One dead man show. Is

11:39

there tickets available? Do you

11:41

know? Or you already sold it

11:43

out. I mean, you've... I'm

11:45

not even sure they've advertised it yet. So

11:48

by the time this comes out, surely

11:50

by then they would have... We're

11:53

gonna be... Yeah. A

11:55

couple of weeks away from it at this

11:57

point. Surely, yes. That ticket's gonna be on

11:59

sale. But they do sell quickly, so I

12:01

will tell everyone go get

12:04

your tickets. If you haven't been to a

12:06

One Dead Man show, especially go get your

12:08

tickets. It's a lot of fun. But

12:11

SummerSlam is coming up and I think

12:15

one of your better SummerSlam

12:18

matches was in

12:21

97. You

12:24

wrestled- The Bret? Bret Hart. And

12:28

you guys blew

12:31

the roof off the place that night. And

12:35

that match, you

12:37

were the champion. Mm-hm. I

12:40

was going in. But

12:45

you were the champion going in, tear

12:49

drop on the cheek during

12:51

that era there. But

12:55

you were the champion going in and

12:58

that was one heck of a,

13:04

I mean 30, 35 minutes of just- Yeah.

13:07

Textbook. So I don't

13:10

really talk enough, I don't think

13:12

about my matches with

13:14

Bret. So- Yes.

13:18

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Feet Under, the podcast, the end

18:33

all podcast. Me and Brett were

18:35

really close, you know, out of

18:37

the ring. Okay. I always, like,

18:41

Brett always carried himself, conducted

18:44

himself like when he

18:47

was a champion. I mean, he conducted himself

18:49

in that manner. There was no doubt that he

18:51

was not the world champion. We

18:55

had a lot of good times together, like overseas

18:58

and places like

19:00

that. But

19:02

one of the greatest things about working with Brett

19:04

for me, because in

19:07

the nineties, everything was about, everything

19:10

was about the character. It was always

19:13

setting that character and building that character.

19:16

And Brett was a, you know,

19:20

wrestling, he was a wrestling purist, right?

19:23

And he wouldn't, he wasn't real gimmicky.

19:27

In fact, when he talks about me, it's

19:30

funny because he always calls me like doing

19:33

the Frankenstein character, right? Don't

19:38

worry, Brett, you didn't hurt my feelings. Never

19:41

got under your skin. I never got under my skin one

19:43

bit. But that's kind

19:45

of, that's how, that's

19:48

his analogy of that character, it's Frank

19:50

is it, I understand the analogy. But

19:52

when I got to work,

19:55

when I got the chance, But

22:01

everywhere else, Bret's still Bret Hart and

22:03

he's a baby face. So

22:05

we go, man, it was either Manchester or

22:07

Birmingham. And I can't, I wish I could

22:09

remember, but I don't remember exactly which, it's

22:12

one of those two cities we have this

22:14

match. And man,

22:19

now this is a non televised match. So it

22:21

even gives me a little bit more liberty

22:23

to work and stretch

22:26

that character. But

22:28

we had, I think we went 45 minutes

22:32

in a house show. And

22:36

we took this crowd on a

22:39

ride that you would not believe. It

22:41

was one of those situations where like

22:44

one minute, it's let's

22:47

go taker and then the next

22:49

minute it's let's go Bret. And

22:53

then there's one half of the building

22:55

yelling undertaker and then the next half,

22:57

the other half of the building is

22:59

yelling Bret Hart back and forth. It

23:01

was just an emotional roller coaster that

23:03

we took the audience on. And

23:05

man, did we have, man,

23:08

it was

23:11

one of my best matches, I think. Really?

23:13

Yeah. It was a house show. And it's

23:16

just a house show. And

23:19

we had just, I

23:21

guess we went 45 minutes if we went in. It

23:25

was just, and we were in a flow and

23:28

we had each other's timing and we

23:30

thought alike, we thought a lot alike

23:32

as far as it

23:35

was fun. And then we get to

23:37

the SummerSlam match. And

23:41

by then we're dialed in. How

23:43

long had y'all been working together? I

23:45

mean, probably off and on a good bit, but I mean, how

23:49

long do you think it took for y'all to sync

23:51

up? Because I think of

23:53

Bret Hart and I just think of this

23:55

tactician inside the ring, right? And now

23:57

you've got early on, especially with you.

23:59

just this character that's no selling a

24:02

lot and everything else. And it's like,

24:04

I felt like you probably

24:06

stretched Brett just as much as he stretched you

24:08

when it came to, you

24:10

know, Brett now has to

24:13

figure out, I watched

24:15

a match that y'all had Madison Square Garden

24:17

in 92, where it was like, he

24:20

would do things and you were, you know, you'd fall

24:22

out and you would just sit right back up immediately.

24:24

Oh, in 92, yeah. There was

24:26

a moment where Brett's climb, he's climbing

24:28

up to the top ropes and he

24:31

did something that I thought was just

24:34

perfect. For

24:36

who he is, he did something

24:39

just absolutely perfect. He gets up

24:41

to the top rope and he turns back and you

24:43

have now set up. And

24:45

he just sits on the top rope

24:47

and just drops his head. And it's like, that is

24:50

so good right there. That

24:52

moment of, and you took your time as

24:55

well, you sit up and

24:57

you just kind of look over and he just, he

24:59

gets up to the top rope, he thinks he's got

25:01

you finally. Right. And he turns around

25:04

and sees you and he's the frustration. And he's

25:06

like, oh, and he goes to start

25:08

climbing at the top of the top rope. Yeah, I remember

25:10

that. I remember that, that's his

25:12

story telling. That is what, at the essence

25:14

of what we do, that

25:16

is just great storytelling. And

25:19

to see, because that's not how

25:22

Brett worked, but Brett was smart enough in

25:24

the moment to show the

25:26

frustration of like, what

25:28

do I have to do? The man

25:30

of a thousand moves, right? Right. How,

25:32

what do I have to do to keep this

25:35

monster down? And it's such

25:37

a simple thing though, when you think about

25:39

it, but how much it meant and

25:41

how much it stuck out to you. Yeah. And

25:43

that's the key. And that's one of the

25:45

key elements to being a great storyteller. It's

25:48

not the moves that you do. The

25:51

moves are cool and they're vital to

25:53

the match, but it's

25:55

those little, those in between

25:58

transitions that make it. make

26:01

everything tie together and makes

26:03

the story and you

26:05

could feel Brett's frustration. He

26:07

was so frustrated because he's done

26:10

everything to you that's worked with

26:12

everyone else that he's wrestled. Everyone

26:15

else that he's wrestled, they're

26:19

done. They're not getting up and you just

26:22

kept getting up and it

26:24

was instead of him just running over

26:26

kicking you it was, Jesus why? What's

26:30

up with this guy? What is the next

26:32

move that I can do to even do

26:35

to think, how

26:37

can I even do anything to this man? That

26:40

Madison Square Garden in 92 is just to me it was

26:44

a phenomenal match on both ends because

26:46

you were a no-selling SOB at that

26:48

time. No, no, no, no, 92,

26:51

I didn't sell anything. And

26:53

you're in there with, you know,

26:55

pound for pound, the greatest wrestler of all time. And

26:59

he is so frustrated. But that,

27:02

I think that stretched Brett though, as much

27:04

as it was, especially in 92. I mean,

27:06

you're still early in that character and you're

27:09

developing that character and he is

27:11

Brett Hart in 92.

27:14

But he had

27:17

to dig into a different part

27:19

of his toolbox as well. Yeah. And

27:22

I think that's cool. And I think that's

27:24

one of the interesting elements of

27:26

matchmaking and good storytelling

27:28

is making people get out of,

27:31

sometimes making them get out of their

27:33

comfort zone and

27:35

doing things a different

27:38

way just to show how

27:40

important a match is, what it's going to

27:42

take to win. Because you see a lot

27:45

of times when you watch matches, you'll see

27:47

the same thing over and over and over

27:50

the same move set, the same deal, the

27:52

same thing. But when, like

27:54

you said, things that you've seen him

27:56

drop people with and keep them down,

27:58

now it's not working. you

28:01

feel the struggle like, wow, what is,

28:03

like, whether you're an Undertaker fan or

28:06

you're a Bret Hart fan, dude, what

28:08

is Bret gonna have to do to

28:10

keep Undertaker down? And then when he

28:13

does that, when he shows you the

28:15

frustration that you're thinking, this is like,

28:17

man, that's magic. That's, that is the

28:20

magic of, of, of what it is

28:22

we do. That's core. And,

28:25

and that was in 92. So the time we get

28:27

to 97, I mean, we've had

28:30

several matches and now we've, we've,

28:32

we've figured it out. And I

28:34

remember one of the great things that he

28:36

did with

28:38

me would, he would do the figure four

28:41

on the post. Yeah. And

28:43

then fall back in it, which was

28:45

one of those things that allowed me

28:47

not to, I

28:50

would have sold it differently as the

28:52

American badass, but even as the Undertaker, it

28:54

allowed me to, to, to show a little

28:58

bit of pain and show the, that

29:00

I'm in trouble. And it

29:02

showed the, like the desperation that,

29:05

that Bret was in to figure

29:07

out however he was going to

29:09

keep me down. Yeah. Bret was

29:11

really, really creative as

29:13

far as putting matches together. And, and

29:15

we had this normally

29:19

in that situation, you know,

29:22

Bret would be, Bret would have led

29:24

that man. He was tenured than more

29:26

so than me. But

29:29

we really had a really good chemistry

29:31

and a, and a camaraderie that it was

29:34

always kind of like, okay, for

29:36

me, it's like, what can I do for you? Within

29:39

the confines of what I do, what can I

29:42

do for you? That's going to showcase your, your

29:44

talents and your deal. And he was the same,

29:46

you know, he was the same thing with me.

29:48

He was like, okay, you're Frankenstein.

29:52

How does this, you know, how does mortal

29:54

Bret Hart, drop Frankenstein kind of deal? And

29:58

so it was always,