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closer all the time. So today

1:00

it was reforms chance to launch

1:03

their manifesto and Spoons would be

1:05

one way to put it: freezing

1:07

all non essential immigration, leaving the

1:09

purview of the European Court of

1:11

Human Rights, scrapping the to child

1:14

benefit cap interest on student loans

1:16

and Tv licence fees, it is

1:18

hugely ambitious and hugely expensive. An

1:20

additional one hundred and forty one

1:22

billion prince of spending. Compared to

1:24

Labor's Five and the Tories Thirteen

1:27

A Skies deputy Political editor Sam

1:29

Coach pitch to Nigel Farage during

1:31

the Manifest Lunch Q and A.

1:33

It is far higher than the

1:36

promises made by Even List Trust

1:38

and will therefore be seen by

1:40

some as deeply on. See, this

1:42

is this radical first thing You'll

1:44

Economics Yes. Is it radical First

1:47

thing? Your Constitutional change? Yes is

1:49

a very radical change. Although our

1:51

education system is currently a pretty.

1:53

Awful young children. Yes, Bradley's

1:55

Roka Britain leaves before. That's

1:58

what we're here for. It

2:00

was gonna do. Our. Chief Political correspondent

2:02

is of course John Craig. Me Jones is

2:04

back in the podcast once again good to

2:06

see join. We both just been listening to

2:09

Nigel Farage outlining his party's manifesto. What did

2:11

we learn about Reform. We

2:13

learn that sad out so a tight

2:16

Labor as well as the Conservatives. It

2:18

was significant that he chose to launch

2:20

his contract. As he calls it, he

2:22

says manifestoes a full of lies down

2:25

in South Wales in Labor's heartland, and

2:27

he certainly going after Labor as well

2:29

as the Conservatives and recent days. he's

2:31

been talking about destroying the Conservatives. He

2:34

didn't actually say want to destroy Labor

2:36

He repeated what he said a number

2:38

of times in recent days about how

2:40

are they Election that is over virtually.

2:43

That net Sir Keir Starmer going

2:45

to be Prime minister but he

2:47

had the odds you might expect

2:49

some. Our policies to the right

2:51

of the tories are on immigration

2:53

a much tougher line. There are

2:55

also were I wanted to other

2:58

policies which other tories would not

3:00

her adult solar some of their

3:02

M P's would like. For example

3:04

he would the junk the British

3:06

membership of the European Convention on

3:08

Human Rights which many cats conservative

3:10

mps would like to about the

3:12

party establishment. Doesn't want So that

3:14

was established with the goals was a

3:17

word that to use referring to by

3:19

Labour and the Conservatives are you can't

3:21

help thinking the About for Reform is

3:23

essentially a protest vote or they're not

3:26

going to form a government. Obviously it's

3:28

easy to were sniped from the sidelines,

3:30

but there's no doubt Mr. Farage is

3:32

a showman. It was a bravo or

3:35

performances you might expect A speech gave

3:37

him without note, saw tele prompter where

3:39

it's old as he sees monsters and

3:41

I made a big. Deal today. I'd

3:44

have decided this was at reform taking

3:46

only, but it's not just about the

3:48

conservative one. Is he doing that to

3:50

get more votes? Obviously they go there

3:52

in Wales. has whales of that the

3:54

Labour party's bidding governments in Wales now

3:56

for many years or bit from time

3:58

to time in college. She replied, Right

4:00

bought that they won't pick up

4:02

part the votes of the disgruntled

4:04

those who feel disenfranchised. And if

4:07

you're in South Wales which is

4:09

a Labour heartland yet what why

4:11

not sides attacked Labour that up.

4:13

As a general rule it's always

4:15

been assume that for every two

4:17

votes for Reform Uk old previously

4:20

the bricks it policy before that

4:22

you could say from the Conservatives

4:24

they take one for Labour so

4:26

it's all about maximizing their vote

4:28

is for us. All. Territory for us,

4:31

the a Reform Uk in South Wales

4:33

with particular and that that as say

4:35

the rural bits of Wales as well.

4:37

none of which is see of course

4:40

that the Conservatives do not remain the

4:42

biggest target for the Reform party. Me

4:44

just looking even that alone should sell

4:46

studies. know Union slides adorning the stage

4:49

a lighter shade of blue them with

4:51

perhaps used to from the Conservatives but

4:53

blue nonetheless. and all of this playing

4:55

into this to the post election idea

4:57

that Nigel Farage how's that He will

5:00

somehow become the messiah of the centre

5:02

right. Well. He said in one

5:04

interview didn't neither t expected to be

5:06

campaigning to become Prime minister and Twenty

5:08

Twenty nine thought the next general election

5:10

after Twenty Twenty Four bit fancy fall

5:13

I thing but yes he wants to

5:15

take over the Tory party talked about

5:17

destroying the Tory party or Muslim is

5:19

in the last couple of days of

5:21

really enjoyed the spat between Mr. Farage

5:24

the Lord Camera which started when the

5:26

Lord Cameron was quite rude about him

5:28

in an interview and Nms of Arouse.

5:30

hit back by accusing Mr. Cameron of

5:32

destroying. The Tory party was rarely

5:35

struck me in recent days and

5:37

I went to obvious thousand Sky

5:39

News events in Grimsby on Wednesday

5:41

and then of Thursday I was

5:43

at the latest as seven. Why

5:45

debate Now Mr. Farage as he

5:47

referred to were the a few

5:49

times during his speech down and

5:52

methods. Advil A took part in

5:54

both those seven way debates. Was.

5:56

Has struck me as the

5:58

path of law. Cameron. Hardly

6:00

any of the Tory top team

6:02

has laid a glove or even

6:04

try to lands and blows on

6:06

Mr. Farage. Most top stories are

6:08

pussy footing around when it comes

6:10

to visit a barrage. Now there's

6:12

a good moments in the Thursday

6:14

night debate up in Salford: Angela

6:16

Rayner, Labor's deputy Leader. They all

6:18

got questions to ask one of

6:20

their opponents and Angela right outta

6:22

hum dinger. such a penny molded

6:24

would you welcome mister for hours

6:26

into the Conservative party? Well, there

6:28

was a bit of political. Flirting that

6:31

from Penny Molded because she talks about

6:33

how she too was Abraxas? yes are

6:35

she was a favor of you've got

6:37

reform a European Institutions leaving them at

6:39

clear reference to other European Convention on

6:41

Human Rights. It was only then that

6:43

she's accused are Mr Barrage a big

6:45

a labour enabler as she puts it

6:47

So I would point out of course

6:49

there are some within the Conservative party

6:51

who like know to for us so

6:54

much that the pot him on the

6:56

campaign that to just was standing is

6:58

considered to them. Piece that was Dame.

7:00

Andrea Jenkins who are famously was the

7:02

Mp, the Tory who beats us abby

7:04

be a bowls and moly and up

7:07

with him as it was then called

7:09

back in twenty fifty Yes you might

7:11

My point for me nail many Tories

7:13

are in love with Nigel Farage and

7:16

the other points of course is is

7:18

not just conservative mps, Conservative party activists

7:20

absolutely love him. The have been opinion

7:23

polls when they're off. Who would you

7:25

like to be the next leader of

7:27

the Conservative? Ballsy The activists say Nigel

7:29

Farage. Not one of the crop

7:31

of Tories will be left after the

7:34

election announce outside you another theory of

7:36

mind, the the Reform Uk have dumped

7:38

that candidate in the constituency of Cammy

7:41

Badenoch. Nice that's to gave Tammy Badenoch,

7:43

the darling of the Tory right

7:45

of Free Roswell. Call me a conspiracy

7:47

theorist if you're like but sir, okay

7:50

the gonna get a conspiracy see it

7:52

as Yemen has not made really bad.

7:54

The guy did like somebody was the

7:57

Bnp back in their twenties and other

7:59

get. But so they dumped

8:01

same but rather conveniently helps can be

8:03

Badenoch. This is possibly my points. The

8:06

Reform party has had a number of

8:08

issues, putting it mildly inside when it

8:10

comes to the vet and of their

8:13

candidates. A head off at this general

8:15

election and indeed by elections in the

8:17

past. it is a big problem for

8:19

them, which I suppose serves as a

8:22

reminder split. This is not one of

8:24

the big parties full that Nigel Farage

8:26

is leading at. They don't have representation

8:29

and parliament's that. They have and themselves

8:31

indeed Lee Anderson to simply close to

8:33

fluids they are. The small parties was

8:35

not particularly deep pockets not such huge

8:37

at resources when it comes to any

8:39

of the aspects of politics but we're

8:41

focusing focusing on vetting. It is a

8:44

remind us that the not quite there

8:46

yet though not the opposition. Of.

8:48

This despite what Mr Her out for

8:50

far as is that predict exactly ss

8:52

an abyss of Raj was asked about

8:54

this in one interview had that is

8:56

also walls that are all parties have

8:58

had problems with candidates and he also

9:00

I blame the fact that said they

9:02

didn't have long to select that candidates

9:04

because across as Mr. Farage and others

9:06

have said he wasn't expecting an election

9:09

on July the fourth or otherwise. interesting

9:11

guy ever when he arrives at the

9:13

beginning of his speech in Methods Advil

9:15

when he said well I never expected

9:17

to be had our leading. Either party

9:19

and Lords and guts other parties can

9:21

play the way up on I thought

9:23

and ourselves. Yeah right when I think

9:26

he's been itching to combat make a

9:28

comeback now by Richard Size as of

9:30

the white or be front and center

9:33

of the campaign but no doubt mister

9:35

soon act Thought going for a quick

9:37

early polls would wrong foot his opponents,

9:40

both the Labour party the Lib Dems

9:42

am indeed reform. The early part of

9:44

the campaign of course was all about

9:47

trying to neutralize the reform. party thread

9:49

it didn't work ah in fact is

9:51

backfired spectacularly as go did mr farage

9:53

has he puts a for cuts to

9:56

come out of retirement i mean he

9:58

was all set to go to

10:00

America and do some quite well-paid

10:02

work, so he says. But Reform

10:04

are back. I mean, if Mr.

10:06

Sunak thinks he could put Mr.

10:08

Farage in his box, he's failed

10:10

spectacularly because, as we've seen, the

10:12

Reform UK's polling, according to opinion

10:14

polls, well, they were on around

10:16

about 10% before he came

10:18

back. And there was that poll just before

10:21

that ITV debate on Thursday night, put them

10:23

on 19, almost double

10:25

that, ahead of the Conservatives. Thanks,

10:28

John. We'll take a quick break

10:30

afterwards. King Charles and Princess Kate

10:32

attended Trooping the Colour this last

10:34

weekend. What did we learn about

10:36

how their cancer treatment is progressing?

10:39

Back soon. Welcome

10:43

back. Last Friday, in a

10:45

frankly very personal statement, the Princess of

10:47

Wales announced that she would be attending

10:49

Trooping the Colour, currently undergoing

10:52

treatment for cancer, as indeed is a

10:54

further in law. She was explicit that

10:56

there are good days and bad. Certainly

10:59

no one, including Kate herself, is suggesting

11:01

she is now back to work full-time.

11:03

She was absent from today's order of

11:06

the Garter ceremony at Windsor. Lots

11:09

to discuss then with our Royal correspondent, who

11:11

of course is Rhianna Mills, who joins us

11:13

from outside at Windsor Castle. Good to see

11:15

you Rhianna. Look, let's rewind,

11:18

shall we, to that point, just

11:21

after, I should say, the publication of

11:24

3D's episode of the Daily

11:26

Podcast, that we had that update

11:29

from the Palace about Kate. And,

11:31

you know, whilst we were waiting and

11:33

anticipating the news, plenty of people would

11:35

have been crossing their fingers that it

11:37

was what we received. It was good

11:39

news. The Royal family have had

11:42

such a rough six months that I have to say,

11:44

when I heard that there was going to be some

11:47

kind of update. You can't help but fear the worse.

11:51

But yeah, we did have that,

11:53

again, really heartfelt and honest statement

11:57

from Kate, incredibly open.

11:59

Again, an openness that historically we've not

12:01

had met from members of the Royal Family. And

12:03

I think a lot of it was positive news, the fact

12:06

that she was confirming that she was going to be at

12:08

Trooping the Colour, also that she is

12:10

doing bits and pieces of work behind the scenes

12:13

and that she hopes to maybe go to some engagements

12:15

as kind of the coming weeks

12:17

go on because it is busy this time of

12:20

year for the Royal Family. As soon as she

12:22

came out in that carriage the

12:25

photographers went mad and of

12:27

course her photograph was plastered right across

12:30

all of the newspapers, not just in this

12:32

country but also around the world.

12:35

Yeah and many would say only to be

12:37

expected given the role that she has and

12:39

and the concerns that there have been over

12:42

her health but for her to

12:44

make that that first public appearance since the

12:46

announcement at Trooping the Colour of all places,

12:48

that official recognition I believe of the King's

12:50

birthday the way as another birthday somewhere else

12:52

in the year will part that one for

12:54

the time being but this is a big occasion

12:56

in the Royal Calendar isn't it? Look

12:59

for most of us the family gathering

13:01

does not look like Trooping the Colour

13:03

but ultimately that's what it is. I've

13:05

had some parties. But it is a

13:07

massive family gathering for the Royal Family.

13:09

It's a moment in the year where

13:11

all of their diaries sort of come

13:13

together and they do get to spend

13:15

a bit of time amongst each other

13:17

and have a good catch-up and Kate

13:19

in her message stressed that she was

13:21

looking forward to being there amongst the

13:23

family. Also you have to remember that

13:25

these moments when we see Prince George,

13:27

Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis on

13:30

parade as it were are also quite rare and

13:32

so I think for her she

13:34

wanted to be there to be alongside

13:36

the children probably to make sure that they behaved. I

13:38

think she wanted to be there as mum because after

13:40

all Prince William he rides on horseback in that

13:42

parade so he couldn't be with them. Did

13:45

we then, Rhiannon, have any sort of

13:47

feedback on how the day had gone

13:49

for Kate and indeed what the likelihood

13:51

is that we will be

13:53

seeing her on public duties on official duties

13:56

anytime soon? The Only thing

13:58

I was told was we hoped. The

14:00

the pictures. The the talking

14:02

and I think the thing that

14:04

really stood out me with the

14:07

scene and she came out in

14:09

not carriage she wasn't trying to

14:11

hide away because actually it was

14:13

a nightmare for the photographers they

14:16

hate covered. Coaches and covered carriages they

14:18

would fall rod they had when they opened

14:20

and coaches that that you can really see

14:22

them through family. It would have been easy

14:24

for her to have heightened to hide away

14:26

a little bit in that coach but she

14:28

didn't They were pictures of her literally looking

14:30

down the barrel of the lenses and smiling

14:32

and so I think that all say will

14:35

be at play in the coming weeks and

14:37

no doubt month What it's decided exactly what

14:39

engagements she's she's going to be well enough

14:41

to do. She still wants to put her

14:43

family first and we're not going to see

14:45

her at the Garter ceremony withhold. ethical is

14:47

if week where I'd like to see how

14:49

their and I wonder. Whether Wimbledon might be

14:51

one why she might appear. We've also got

14:53

the Japanese State visit coming up, so whether

14:55

or not she accompanied William for that and

14:57

the yeah, I think it's it's a guessing

14:59

game. To be and we we we should

15:02

not forget. Of course that's part of the

15:04

reason as you directly mentioned royal family has

15:06

had he told his frame of late is

15:08

not simply kids diagnosis but that of the

15:10

king as well. On it's on a d

15:12

like tripping the color of course use he

15:14

is front and center. How much more do

15:17

we know about we're his health is currently

15:19

or have we? We shouldn't again forget for

15:21

that We did see him turning up to

15:23

boost Dd Commemorations Normandy. I

15:25

know the behind the scenes. As

15:28

it's all being made to sometimes adjust and

15:30

and change his program at then set For

15:32

example when he went to to France the

15:34

deed I have decided that it was best

15:37

for him to. To spend time

15:39

with the veterans as opposed to going to

15:41

the big international event which causes Alzheimers discussion

15:43

about with her and right? that's another story.

15:46

and fit the king decided that prince

15:48

william seagate that international event because he

15:50

didn't want to overdo it i don't

15:53

think he wants to get to the

15:55

stage where he let's see one well

15:57

and and and visibly we see him

16:00

struggling I suppose. But

16:02

I think it has been astonishing to see just

16:04

how much he has been doing ever since the

16:06

docs have given him the green light. I've been

16:08

there at various engagements with him and it's

16:11

no exaggeration to say that he has

16:14

been giddy to be back out, seeing

16:16

people, talking to the public.

16:18

But I think also it's those big

16:20

ceremonial events that he knows as monarch

16:22

he should be seen at, front and

16:24

centre. But standing

16:27

outside Buckingham Palace in

16:29

the drizzling rain taking the salute. I

16:31

can help you think, do you know

16:34

what, it's quite amazing, yes they're very

16:36

privileged and they have amazing medical

16:38

care. But it is quite

16:40

something to see a man who is still

16:42

having cancer treatment, making every effort to be

16:44

there to kind of do his duty. And

16:47

people I've spoken to at certain events have said,

16:49

do you know what, he's a remarkable example

16:52

of service when it comes

16:54

to trying to literally soldier

16:57

on through his own cancer treatment.

16:59

But hasn't there been, and contained in some

17:01

of the media coverage, perhaps a tone that

17:03

the palace themselves have not sought? And correct

17:05

me if you think I'm wrong here, but

17:07

the way in which the House of Windsor

17:09

has sold, the King and the Princess of

17:11

Wales getting back to work is all

17:13

viewed through that prism of service.

17:15

Others however, in the media class,

17:18

one article particularly, described you know

17:20

Kate is not one of those

17:22

lesser mortals who would have stayed

17:24

at home. And I

17:27

get it, they are suffering from cancer and you

17:29

know, but they are incredibly

17:31

privileged individuals with access to treatment that

17:34

the likes of you and I probably

17:36

couldn't get. This isn't the sort of

17:38

tone that the palace was looking for

17:40

was it? I

17:43

think they'll be really uncomfortable with this idea

17:45

that they are, when

17:47

it comes to cancer, different from

17:50

other people. Yes, they

17:52

acknowledge that they are very

17:54

fortunate that in both circumstances they

17:56

were given a diagnosis and they

17:59

have been able to, as

18:01

it were, easily have

18:04

the treatment. But I think

18:06

in all of

18:08

the messaging that you've heard, they've

18:10

talked about how touched they've been,

18:12

that other people have shared their

18:15

stories of going through cancer, how

18:17

that has provided a sense

18:19

of solace. Like, look, you saw the

18:22

king, his first public engagement was meeting

18:24

other cancer patients and it was almost

18:26

at times, like the cameras weren't there.

18:28

He was talking to one chap about

18:30

cold cap therapy, he

18:33

was holding the hands of others saying,

18:35

God bless. And the feedback

18:37

I got from that visit was that he

18:39

felt like he was amongst people that he could

18:42

really talk to. And what the palace have probably

18:44

struggled a little bit with is

18:46

ultimately this comparison that's been made between the

18:48

king and the princess. The king out and

18:51

about a lot, the princess, we've only just

18:53

seen her at Trooping the Colour. And what

18:55

they keep stressing is that everybody's cancer journeys

18:58

are different. You had two

19:00

people who from the start to kind

19:02

of greater and lesser degrees have wanted

19:05

to share medical information, have wanted to

19:07

share what they're going through. They want

19:09

to continue to share their cancer journeys,

19:12

especially as they know it's

19:14

having a positive impact on charities and organisations.

19:16

And they want to keep that going. And

19:18

in a way, that is their way of

19:20

serving, not saying we're better than anyone else,

19:22

but by saying, look, we want to help

19:24

in our own ways. Kate's

19:27

taking a well-deserved rest today, but the

19:30

royal duties continue. Explain exactly why you're

19:32

at Windsor Castle today, Rhianna. Yes,

19:35

there's a special procession for the Order of

19:37

the Garter, which is the oldest and the

19:39

highest order of chivalry. You might

19:41

have seen the pictures over the years. You

19:44

have the royals and the 24 ladies

19:47

and knights of the Garter processing down

19:49

from the State Department to St George's

19:51

Chapel, which is the spiritual home of

19:54

the Order of the Garter. There's 24

19:56

ladies and knights and also very similar

19:58

to the royal family. you'll also

20:00

see there as well leading of course the King

20:02

and the Queen alongside them

20:05

Princess Anne, Prince Edward, no

20:07

Prince Andrew so again that's always a bit of

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a story that he's now left out because of

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him stepping away from public duties because his links

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with Jeffrey Epstein. Prince William is going to be

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there but yeah the crowds always turn

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out for it it's always kind of one of those

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big pageantry spectacles another important part

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of the summer calendar. Rhiannon

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thank you and that's your

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lot for today we'll see you again tomorrow.