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2:28

this. I cannot tell you how excited

2:30

I am about part two of this

2:33

episode. Sherrilyn Eiffel is an icon, is

2:35

an intellectual legend, and we are so

2:37

blessed and honored to get to talk

2:39

to her and receive her insights. So listen

2:41

close and make sure that you listen to part

2:44

one as well. Let's do it. Smo the spot. Yeah,

2:46

side effects of civil rights. Part two. Y'all,

2:57

I consider it

2:59

a huge privilege

3:02

and also a

3:04

testament to the fact

3:07

that I have been a

3:15

lifelong teacher's pet anytime that

3:17

I get to be

3:19

in conversation with

3:23

one of our great black intellectuals. Last

3:25

week, you got to see part one of

3:27

side effects of civil rights with Sherrilyn Eiffel

3:29

Esquire, the current Vernon

3:32

E. Jordan Jr. Esquire endowed chair

3:34

in civil rights at Howard University.

3:37

And also she is not only a law

3:40

professor, but she's also the former president and

3:42

director counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund.

3:44

Side note, at one point they were trying

3:46

to call it NAACP and they were really

3:48

trying to tell people we should stop calling

3:50

it NAACP and it should be NAACP. And

3:52

I was just like, I don't feel like

3:54

this is necessary. I think the double A

3:57

is strong. and

4:00

AACP sounds like A.A. Ron. Like that's what that

4:02

sounds like to me. It's just insubordinate and surelish.

4:05

All right, but we decided

4:07

to make this a two-part episode

4:09

because honestly, Ms. Sherrilyn's commentary is

4:11

so robust. It's so dense, but

4:13

it's so necessary that I was

4:15

like, they need a break, they need to

4:17

come back the next week. So

4:19

that's what we did. We have

4:22

brought you back this week for

4:24

part two of Side Effects of

4:26

Civil Rights with Sherrilyn Eiffel Esquire.

4:28

Now, in this conversation, we continue

4:31

our speaking about civil rights, but

4:33

she really, really delves in even

4:35

more into why voting is so

4:37

important, particularly in this election.

4:40

And I think that's something that a

4:43

lot of folks are not really grasping.

4:45

I think there's a lot of not,

4:47

I don't even wanna say delusion, but

4:49

there's some distortion that's happening around this

4:51

election that is really not grounded in

4:54

reality. It's more so grounded in a

4:57

like misdirection of where we

4:59

were to how we've gotten to here.

5:02

And thankfully we have the

5:04

genius of Ms. Sherrilyn to

5:06

guide us. To

5:08

guide us. And when it

5:10

comes to the conversation around civil

5:12

rights and how that is affecting

5:14

us now, she really walks us

5:16

through two of the major civil rights issues

5:19

that I don't know that a lot of

5:21

people even consider to be civil rights issues.

5:24

I think that's what's so important about this

5:26

conversation is that I think so many of

5:28

us, myself included, have really, we have

5:31

had a disservice with our education in

5:33

being able to properly identify things.

5:36

And thus we're not able to properly fight.

5:39

We're not able to properly like refine

5:41

our rage in the right direction if

5:43

we don't know where things

5:46

are placed in the landscape. And

5:49

as we move forward with

5:51

this time, I

5:53

cannot stress enough to all of us

5:55

out here that this is

5:57

not a simulation. I know people say that

5:59

really, They say, oh, this is

6:01

a simulation. You know, oh, it's like America season

6:03

two. No, it's

6:07

happening. We are

6:09

the thing happening. We

6:12

are the history that we have read about

6:14

and learned about and had all these, you

6:16

know, pontifications and thoughts and commentaries about all

6:19

these opinions about we are it now. And

6:21

I think some of us didn't realize that

6:23

that was even possible. And we

6:26

didn't realize that even when shit wasn't

6:28

crazy, we were it then too. And

6:31

so, you know, the work that I'm doing right

6:33

now is trying to really wrap my head around

6:35

how I can be as much service to y'all

6:37

as possible in these spaces, whether

6:39

it's on small doses, whether it's on stage,

6:42

whether it's on in Amanda

6:44

retrust, my documentary, whether it's on the radio

6:46

with the Amanda Seale show. Like I'm desperately

6:48

trying to figure out how to wake all

6:50

of us who are at least connected to

6:52

me up. Like I feel

6:54

like if I can get at least like my

6:56

consensus, consensus thing, then they will add to their

6:59

consensus and then their consensus will consensus and it'll

7:01

be a whole consensus fest. We need consensus.

7:04

We need consensus fest 24 to

7:06

pop off. You

7:08

understand me? And so that

7:10

happens with curiosity, with intellectual

7:12

effort, and with love and

7:15

empathy. And so

7:17

hearing last episode, hearing Ms.

7:20

Sherrillan speak about empathy as

7:22

an effort, hearing her talk

7:24

about how empathy has been attempted to be squelched

7:27

should awaken for all of us that

7:30

we need to really lean into

7:32

our empathy as a

7:34

weapon to fight this

7:37

oppressive effort. And

7:39

that is something that a lot of America has

7:41

been trying to stop. But

7:43

so many of us have been actually doing already.

7:46

So even if you're saying to yourself, like, oh, this feels

7:48

like more work, but you were already doing that work. This

7:51

podcast right here is so much about empathy

7:53

all the time. So if you're

7:55

listening here, you're already on the right track. And

7:58

we got to get on track and we got to stay on track. on track. Okay,

8:01

we got a shikari this shit. And

8:03

I will say it till I'm blue in the face in

8:06

the hopes that we

8:10

don't become blue in

8:12

the United States. Still

8:17

got jokes even though we're

8:19

facing fascism. Let's get into the

8:21

episode. If

8:24

you are doing Alabama in 1965, you really going hard. But

8:28

let me cut let me give you a second one. George

8:30

Floyd's murder. Horrible.

8:32

Oh, this was going to be my second one. Okay.

8:35

Yeah, George Floyd's murder horrible. Those

8:37

of us who've been around long enough know

8:39

that police violence has been going on forever.

8:41

You know, this is an issue we were

8:44

intensely engaged in during my leadership at LDS.

8:47

George Floyd, the video comes out. I

8:49

needed it touches, you know,

8:51

us all in a very particular way.

8:53

Not because we haven't seen Eric Garner,

8:55

not because we haven't seen Walter Scott

8:57

killed in that park, not because we

9:00

haven't seen Tamir Rice killed. Not

9:02

because we haven't seen John Crawford killed in

9:04

the Walmart. Not because we haven't seen Sandra

9:07

Bland pulled over and treated

9:09

that way by that officer. Not because

9:12

we haven't seen Terrence Crutcher killed after

9:14

police say he looks like a bad dude. Not

9:16

because we haven't seen Alton Sterling killed in Baton

9:19

Rouge. Not because we didn't see Philando Castile bleed

9:21

out in his car in St.

9:23

Paul. We saw all of that. And

9:26

then we saw George Floyd. And

9:28

we watched for nine minutes, this

9:30

man tortured and murdered by

9:33

an officer who was so chill, who was

9:35

so certain that nothing would ever happen to

9:37

him, that he knelt on this

9:40

man's neck for nine minutes with his hands

9:42

in his pockets, surrounded

9:44

by people filming him. And

9:47

it struck something very deep. It

9:50

struck something so deep that it struck white people.

9:53

It struck everybody. And

9:55

we ended up globally. And we ended

9:57

up having what were the largest. civil

10:00

rights protests that this country

10:03

has ever seen beyond the civil rights

10:05

movement. In all 50 states, we had

10:07

protests. And we had them around

10:09

the world. It was a powerful

10:11

show of solidarity. Now, many people

10:13

will say, where did that end up, and so on

10:15

and so forth. But I want you to understand two

10:18

elements of this. Apparently they

10:20

were concerned about it because we have seen

10:22

more anti-protest laws passed since the George Floyd

10:25

protests. Number one,

10:27

including, you'll remember, the

10:29

Florida governor who signed a law that

10:31

said that empowered people to have a

10:33

defense if they ran over protesters with

10:35

their cars. The Satan. What

10:39

happened after that pushed people out

10:41

into the streets? Remember, this is still

10:44

during a global pandemic. No

10:46

vaccine in sight at

10:48

this point. This is June of 2020. And

10:52

people are driven into the streets. What

10:55

happened is that people, these

10:58

are multiracial protests, felt

11:00

something so powerful when they watched the

11:03

torture of this man. That

11:05

thing that they felt, the thing that was activated in

11:08

them is something, is a very critical weapon

11:10

that was very critical during the civil

11:12

rights movement. It is a powerful weapon

11:14

when deployed. And that

11:17

weapon is empathy. Yes. And

11:21

that is why there are laws that

11:24

are now to keep teachers

11:26

from being able to teach black history. When

11:29

you look at the statutes themselves, Amanda,

11:31

what they say is that

11:33

students cannot be taught, that

11:35

teachers are forbidden from teaching

11:38

materials and subjects that may

11:41

make students feel shame, guilt,

11:45

or discomfort on account of race.

11:49

What they are doing is they are trying

11:51

to interrupt empathy. They

11:55

are trying to interrupt the

12:01

that feeling that you have when another human

12:03

being suffers. And that's a

12:05

very dangerous thing to interrupt empathy.

12:08

But empathy, we learn it actually

12:10

very often from reading because we're

12:12

reading about people in circumstances that are

12:14

not like our own. Right. And

12:17

this is how we learn to feel as human

12:19

beings for human beings who are not like us.

12:21

And I talk all the time about reading the

12:23

diary of Anne Frank in the sixth grade. And

12:26

I think I felt something that I would

12:28

call guilt, shame, and discomfort. Not because I

12:30

did anything, but as a

12:32

human being. So again,

12:35

that is a response to

12:37

what makes, where did this come from? Why are you suddenly shutting

12:39

down Black History? Why are we banning all these books? Why are

12:41

we? Because they saw

12:44

the power of that empathy and

12:47

it scared them. And

12:49

so again, if we don't diagnose it right,

12:51

then we'll think, see, protests don't do anything, marching

12:53

doesn't do anything. Well, apparently they think it did something.

12:56

They're literally building cop cities. They're

13:00

literally building Disney

13:02

World's training grounds for cops

13:05

specifically to train them to

13:07

suppress uprisings. So

13:09

why would you need to do that

13:11

unless you feared those

13:13

uprisings? And so I

13:15

think the important thing for us is I'm not saying

13:17

that's all we need to do. We need to obviously

13:20

do a lot more for sure. But

13:22

I wanna be careful about the

13:25

diagnosis because I don't want us to

13:28

think that we are reacting to them. People say

13:30

to me all the time, we're also reactionary and

13:33

they're so strategic. And I call

13:35

bullshit on that. Actually, we're strategic and

13:37

they're responding to us. And

13:40

if we're not careful, we will

13:42

stop doing the things that

13:44

actually are powerful. Cause we'll think,

13:47

oh, it's not going anywhere. Well, then why did they put

13:49

all this effort into responding to it? They're

13:51

responding to it precisely for that reason. And

13:54

so, yes, we have to have more tools

13:56

in our toolbox, but why

13:58

are they scared of people still? online

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14:02

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15:41

Wait. Because I need this

15:43

to I mean I need to like I can't even let

15:45

you just run into this because

15:48

I'm kind of

15:50

like losing it. Miss

15:56

or Mrs. I can't call you Sherilyn. I

15:58

can't do it. You have to do it. I

16:01

was I but too

16:03

much respect miss cherilyn Okay.

16:06

All right. I'll take it. Yes I'll

16:10

take miss cherilyn. Yes miss cherilyn. That

16:13

feels very west indian too. So miss

16:15

cherilyn I

16:17

am deeply concerned for what

16:21

we're stepping into one

16:23

because I have more of a Empathic

16:27

response than an actual informed response to

16:29

what's coming So i'm trying

16:31

trying to engorge myself with information so I can

16:33

like truly have the Academic

16:35

and intellectual grasp of it beyond

16:38

just my feeling but I think

16:40

there's also a just genuine We're

16:43

dealing with complacency because

16:45

we have people who are also like, I mean, what's the problem?

16:48

Then we have apathy, but then we

16:50

have like really bold

16:54

Action, it's not even

16:56

apathy because apathy is I don't care

16:58

But then there's people who are like,

17:00

no, I very much care and i'm

17:02

not gonna vote because I care And

17:04

they feel like they're standing on a

17:07

moral ground that I consider to be

17:09

a house on sand and

17:11

when it's related to You

17:13

know joe biden's response to the genocide

17:15

in palestine. They feel very empowered, you

17:18

know And I understand arab folks

17:20

feeling this way But i've seen this amongst the

17:22

black community particularly who are like i'm

17:24

done i'm not voting for anybody That's

17:27

it And I don't think that

17:30

it has anything to do with my

17:32

understanding of things because I know that

17:34

voting doesn't matter And

17:36

it's not going to do anything anyway, so there's like

17:38

these there's so many layers here that I genuinely don't

17:40

know what to do So

17:43

I have A spanking

17:45

for everyone on this point i'ma

17:48

sit back So,

17:51

let me let me start with just when

17:54

we talk about voting what we are talking about

17:57

because This is I think

18:01

where even those of us who

18:03

are informed have

18:05

created a kind of hierarchy as

18:07

though we are completely

18:09

on point when in fact we are not.

18:13

My concern is that when I say, are

18:15

you voting, what I mean is that

18:18

most of us consider ourselves voters

18:20

who, people who say I always vote, they

18:23

mean every four years

18:26

or even every two years. They mean that

18:29

they vote for the president, they

18:31

vote for their governor, they vote for their senator,

18:33

they vote for their mayor. The

18:36

rest of the offices, not so much. As

18:39

a matter of fact, sometimes they go into the

18:41

voting booth and we've all done

18:43

it. You voted for

18:45

what we call the high salient selections, you

18:47

voted for the governor and you voted

18:49

for your senator, you voted for your representative, you

18:52

voted for your mayor. Then

18:54

it said sheriff and maybe

18:56

you skipped it. You didn't know who

18:58

either of these usually guys were. And

19:01

then it said judges of the court of

19:03

appeals or district court

19:05

judges and it said pick three.

19:09

And maybe you skipped that one too. Or

19:12

maybe you just voted for the sheriff that

19:14

had the D next to his name or

19:16

the R next to their name or whatever

19:18

floats your vote. But you have no idea

19:20

like the name. You

19:22

will vote because his name is Wild

19:25

Bill. Yes. Okay.

19:28

But you consider yourself a voter. You

19:30

don't vote for most of the offices on the ballot. And

19:33

you certainly don't vote in an informed way for most

19:35

of the offices on the ballot because you don't even

19:37

if you cast a ballot for those races, you don't

19:39

even know who those people are, what positions they take

19:42

or what the office does. You don't

19:44

know that the railroad commission in Texas sets

19:48

the oil and gas standards and

19:50

stewards all of the public resources.

19:53

You don't know what your public service commission does. You

19:55

don't know that the probate judge in Alabama

19:57

actually is the judge that then I have.

20:00

have to tangle with on election day because

20:02

they cover elections. You don't

20:04

know what these offices even do. So

20:06

you don't know who you're, you don't know that the sheriff

20:09

is the person who evicts people. And

20:11

so you are voting out

20:13

of some kind of superior sense that

20:16

you are a participant in the democracy.

20:18

Right. And so I'm talking to us

20:20

is now okay, I'm talking to you.

20:23

And I say this all the time when

20:25

I'm talking to, you know, my Delta sorors,

20:27

but like, we have to get serious about

20:29

this thing. Before we

20:31

even get to just so you know, my

20:33

producer is your soror. So she had a

20:35

little Hey, hey, sorry. So before we even

20:37

get to the people who don't show up

20:40

on election day, let's talk about the

20:42

people who do show up we as

20:44

black people on election day with

20:46

everything to lose or gain from

20:48

almost every office on that ballot. Now

20:51

everybody wants to pay attention to school board election.

20:53

Now that the crazy white right wing people have

20:55

taken them over, right? What stopped

20:57

you from voting in an informed way

21:00

for the school board? What stopped you

21:02

from running for school board? Nothing.

21:06

Money wrong. School board

21:08

elections are low salience election. No, no,

21:10

no. When I say money, I mean, people

21:12

feel like if I have money, I'm busy.

21:14

Like I really feel like that's what I

21:16

will at least the high the people that

21:18

I know that are intellectuals that have like

21:20

professional positions, like they really feel like I'm

21:22

busy. Like I have I

21:25

have things that I have got to do. But

21:27

those don't have to be the people who run for

21:29

school board elections. And you see it now you see,

21:31

you know, now that people have woken

21:33

up, you see parents running, they can

21:35

run. Yes. And so I'm just saying it doesn't

21:38

have to be I'm not even preaching

21:40

to the the super wealthy

21:42

and well connected. I'm saying ordinary

21:45

people have a role to play. And

21:48

there's no tool that we can set to the

21:50

side and say I'm not going to use that

21:52

one as black people. So saying you're not

21:55

going to vote at all, to me

21:57

is a fool's errand because you

21:59

have to you I mean, we don't have that many tools. Yeah,

22:01

we just don't. It happens to be

22:03

one of them. It's not everything. I'll

22:05

hit you up with another one that's really gonna hit me up.

22:07

Hit me up. How about

22:10

how many of us try to

22:12

get out of jury service? You

22:15

got everything to say about, okay, you got

22:17

everything to say about the criminal justice system.

22:20

You can recognize all the inequities. You

22:22

recognize the racism. You recognize mass incarceration.

22:24

You don't believe the police. You have

22:26

all your stuff. And yet

22:29

when they call you to perform the

22:31

function of sitting in that jury box

22:33

and making decisions, you trying to figure

22:35

out how to get out of it. Now, if you're in

22:37

a job that's not gonna pay you, that's gonna

22:39

dock you for that time and what they give you

22:41

for jury service is insufficient, I totally get it. And

22:44

that's why we should be advocating for that. We should

22:46

be asking for that legislation in

22:48

all places that makes sure that you get

22:50

what you need and that your employers cannot,

22:52

you know, dock you for jury service and

22:55

so forth. We could make that an issue.

22:58

But you know that that's not the reason most people

23:00

trying to get out. They just don't wanna do it.

23:02

And that's become like a thing that we all say

23:04

and we all understand, oh my God, jury service. Well,

23:06

I personally would like to serve on a jury. They

23:09

never picked me, so I never get to serve on

23:11

a jury, but I would like to. But

23:13

the point is, that is a form of power.

23:15

That's also a tool. I'm

23:18

now talking about the tools of citizenship. If they

23:20

told you black people could not serve on

23:22

juries, we'd be marching on Washington. Yes.

23:25

Okay. But we can serve

23:27

on juries. In fact, the Supreme Court said

23:29

it in 1886. There

23:31

was a big D.S. Rauber versus West Virginia. Maybe it was

23:33

1883. The point is that

23:36

we are not supposed to be kept from serving on

23:38

juries. And yet when we have the

23:40

opportunity to do so, we

23:42

opt out. So we've got jury

23:44

service, we've got voting, which we're either not doing.

23:46

Well, why do you think we're doing that though?

23:48

Why do you think we're opting out? Why do

23:50

you think we're turning our head, checking out instead

23:52

of being involved in these spaces? Well, I do

23:54

think part of it is the reason why I'm

23:56

on this show Amanda is that I think we

23:59

have not been. sufficiently educated

24:01

about these things as conduits

24:04

to power. Right. So if I

24:06

tell you about the railroad commissioner, I tell you about the probate

24:08

judge, or I tell you about, you know,

24:10

any of these offices and what, how they're

24:12

empowered to affect your life. Right.

24:14

I think that people are unaware. And

24:17

so you look at these, you know, maybe you look at sheriff and

24:19

say, I'm not voting for no cop. Well, that

24:21

is the cop that can determine, we had a

24:23

sheriff's race here in Maryland and Baltimore, where the

24:26

sheriff had to run on a platform. I'm going

24:28

to do evictions differently. I can't change the fact

24:30

that that's what I'm required to do by the

24:32

court when I get an order to evict, but it doesn't

24:34

have to be done the way it's being done. We

24:36

will not embarrass people by

24:39

putting off, I'm just saying

24:41

like, so there are actually

24:43

platforms that you

24:45

can have as a sheriff that matters to

24:47

maybe manage our community. Right. And

24:50

all over the South, we have this sheriff's

24:52

movement of what they call constitutional

24:54

sheriffs of right wing sheriffs who believe

24:56

they are the only actual law enforcement

24:58

authority in the country and that they

25:00

have the power to confiscate ballot boxes.

25:03

So across the South, that's

25:06

the platform of a number of sheriffs.

25:08

Oh yes. Yes. Yes. It's called the constitutional

25:10

sheriff's movement and their aid did by these

25:13

right wing think tanks, the Claremont Institute.

25:15

And that's what they believe. They believe that

25:18

they are the only true law

25:20

enforcement that was ever contemplated at the

25:22

beginning of this country and

25:24

that they are empowered to, you know,

25:27

these folks who wanted to kidnap the

25:29

governor of Michigan. I mean, this

25:32

is serious. So

25:34

this is what I'm saying. I do believe

25:36

that it is because we have not sufficiently

25:38

educated ourselves about the positions, about

25:40

the way in which they connect to our lives.

25:42

And that's why I'd say that we have to

25:45

get off of the addiction to elections

25:47

or every four years and let's focus on the

25:49

presidency. I've been railing against this for the last year and

25:51

a half. All these polls about what's

25:54

going to happen next year. Next year

25:56

is next year. I mean, there's elections all

25:58

year long, depending on the election. is

26:00

every year is what I'm saying. Virginia,

26:03

the Virginia state legislature is

26:05

either gonna be Republican or Democratic

26:07

after this and they already have

26:10

their Republican governor. Well, Louisiana just

26:12

had that situation too. They became, they

26:14

became red again. That's right. Because

26:16

people didn't come out for the governor's race. But

26:19

the legislature in Virginia is going to decide whether

26:21

or not women have access to abortion and can

26:23

make their own decisions about their own bodies. So

26:26

does it not affect us? Are people not

26:28

going because it's not a presidential year. There's no

26:30

governor on the race. They're not going to go

26:32

vote in their state house and Senate elections. This

26:35

is what I'm talking about. I think that we have, and

26:37

it's not in some ways, it's not our fault, because

26:39

I think the political parties and the media have

26:41

chosen to talk about elections. That's why I can

26:44

open up the paper today. And there'll be a

26:46

million stories about how Biden is polling and how

26:48

Trump is polling for an election that will take

26:50

place next year. But there will

26:52

be nothing about the elections that are on the ballot this

26:54

year. That's what I'm saying. And so

26:56

we have to kind of opt out of that.

26:58

And that's why on your show, on

27:00

other black owned media, in black papers,

27:03

we have to be talking in specific

27:05

ways about the races that are going

27:07

to matter to us every year that

27:09

are on the ballot. Do you know

27:11

how many people run unopposed? That's what

27:13

happened in Louisiana, all these seats, unopposed,

27:15

nobody put it. And as I said,

27:18

you could run for school boards. I mean, hell,

27:20

if the person's running unopposed, why

27:22

not? You sign up your paperwork and

27:24

you do it. So I

27:26

think we have to begin to use our

27:28

places where we

27:31

congregate to share the information

27:33

at this level, because we

27:35

need information that works for

27:37

us and for our community and for our lives.

27:39

And that means the churches need to

27:41

play this role. That means the

27:44

sororities and the fraternities need to play

27:46

this role. That means that

27:49

every place where we gather needs

27:51

to have that information. And so

27:53

I think what we are suffering from is

27:56

the lack of conduits to

27:58

the kind of information we need to

28:01

vote with power and

28:03

to exercise that vote with power to explain

28:05

why jury service is important and why you

28:08

should not turn away from it. We

28:11

have to understand what those issues mean

28:13

for us as a community. And the

28:15

truth is when your

28:17

child gets arrested, the person

28:19

you're most concerned about is not

28:22

President Biden. You are

28:24

worried about the DA. You are

28:26

worried about the judge before whom they are going to

28:28

appear. When

28:30

you think about the future of your children, you're

28:33

worried about what the school board is saying are

28:35

going to be their policies. You're

28:37

worried about funding for your school. You're

28:40

not thinking about Kamala Harris. God bless

28:42

her. So I think the

28:44

ways in which we have been trained to

28:46

think, it's not that obviously the President and

28:48

the Vice President and your governor that is

28:50

powerfully important for your life, but so are

28:53

these other offices. And

28:55

what the right wing did was they got in

28:57

on the ground floor of all of this and

28:59

started exploiting it. That's how

29:01

they were able to take over the legislatures and

29:03

then the legislatures could gerrymander the districts

29:06

so that they would have outside power. They

29:08

took over the school boards. They took over

29:10

all these local races, all of the

29:12

judges, the state court judges. And

29:15

it's time for us now to get serious and

29:17

to get smart. You know, my mantra is leave

29:19

no power on the table. Leave

29:22

no power on the table, which means

29:24

you need the school board, you need

29:26

the public service commission, you need the

29:28

railroad commission, the probate judge, and you

29:30

need the President, the Vice President, the

29:32

governor. We don't have the luxury of

29:35

leaving power on the table. Well,

29:37

I'm going to be using that, and I will credit you every

29:40

time because I'm in that

29:42

argument damn near every day with very smart

29:44

people who feel very convinced that they're doing

29:46

something radical by doing nothing. Well,

29:49

when you say, when people say they're not going to vote, do

29:51

they mean their particular offices I'm

29:53

not going to vote for or do they mean they're not going to show up?

29:56

Because I think they have to be challenged. If you're saying that you're

29:58

not going to vote for them, then you're going to be challenged. to

30:00

vote because you don't like your mayor

30:02

or you don't like the president. What

30:05

about all the other offices? Are you going to educate yourself

30:07

about them and vote? Because

30:09

otherwise then I think you're using it as an excuse. If

30:12

what you're saying is you have a problem with

30:15

the president of the United States and therefore I'm

30:17

not going to vote for the mayor, the city

30:19

council, the school board, the public service commission, I

30:21

don't believe you. Do

30:26

you think it matters in this election?

30:29

Because I completely agree with you, we have to

30:31

be voting for all of these things, right? No

30:33

power left on the table. A

30:35

lot of people feel very passionate

30:38

about abstaining from voting in this

30:40

election for the president in particular.

30:42

Do you think that that matter?

30:45

To accomplish what? I mean, I think

30:47

that, and I understand people, you know, you have

30:52

a right, you have a, listen, our vote is one

30:54

of the few things we have that no one

30:56

can take from us. And I remember being at

30:59

elementary school and my teacher saying about

31:01

voting, remember this is back in the olden

31:03

days and she said, a

31:06

woman doesn't even have to tell her husband who

31:08

she voted for. And I, that stuck

31:10

with me. Like it's not personal. Nobody

31:12

has the right, you know? So I

31:15

want to say that I love

31:17

that people feel passionately about their vote. I'm not

31:19

going to give my vote to just anybody. That's

31:21

real. And I want to respect that.

31:23

I think that's really, really important, but

31:26

I do also want to be very honest about

31:28

the moment that we're facing in this country. We

31:31

are either going to be a democracy or we're not.

31:34

Now I'm not here singing the praises of

31:36

American democracy as though I haven't been a

31:38

civil rights lawyer for 30 years, which obviously

31:40

means we have been an unhealthy democracy. I

31:42

fully admit that we have been an unhealthy

31:45

democracy with many laws.

31:47

But if you think that is the same as

31:49

living in an authoritarian regime, you

31:52

are sadly mistaken. And

31:55

so my job is to fight, to

31:57

live, to fight another day and to

31:59

fight with some available

32:01

tools. And so I can

32:03

never, with this election coming up, if it

32:06

indeed is between the two front runners

32:08

of the two parties at this moment,

32:10

I could never sanction

32:13

the idea that

32:15

in order to feel

32:17

that you are fully realizing your

32:19

personal displeasure with some of the

32:21

policies of a candidate who was

32:24

otherwise at least committed to democracy

32:26

in this country, that

32:28

you would then withhold your vote

32:30

with the knowledge that it might produce

32:33

the election of a

32:35

cruel, self-absorbed,

32:38

immoral authoritarian. That,

32:42

it's tough, but

32:44

we gotta do tough things sometimes. And

32:46

so I would say, you

32:49

live to fight another day and

32:51

you vote in the way that allows you to

32:54

live to fight another day, to

32:56

have some tools to do that fight. Because

32:59

if you think that it's the same

33:01

and they're all the same, you

33:03

are sadly mistaken. You're an informant. And

33:05

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33:08

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33:10

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34:46

do you say to people who say, well, I'm not

34:48

voting because it doesn't matter. They're going to

34:51

do what they want to anyway. Look at the

34:53

electoral college. Well, that's... So here's

34:55

the thing. This is... Now here, I'm with you.

34:58

My view is that this is what this election stands

35:00

for for me. This election stands

35:02

for on the other side of it,

35:05

presuming that we are not an authoritarian

35:07

regime. It is

35:09

time for us to reimagine

35:11

this entire democracy. And that's correct.

35:14

What is driving me to Howard Law School

35:16

where I'll be opening a 14th Amendment Center

35:18

on Law and Democracy. Next year. And

35:20

where I'll be teaching a course called Reimagining

35:23

American Democracy, the 14th Amendment. It

35:25

is not just a history course. It is about

35:27

reimagining at this time, the new

35:29

democracy that we want. Yes.

35:31

Because I believe that this is the moment

35:33

that is confronting us. That's why we get

35:35

to look at the Supreme Court and what

35:37

reforms need to be made to the Supreme

35:40

Court. We get to look at the electoral college.

35:42

We get to look at the Senate. We get to

35:44

look at their rules that allow one person to

35:46

hold up the confirmation of all of

35:48

these people in the military. And

35:51

that allows one person to the filibuster. That

35:53

allows Joe Manchin, allows us

35:55

to have lit childhood poverty with

35:58

the child tax credit. that

36:00

went out every month to people with

36:02

children, with young children, that

36:04

eliminated 80% of child

36:07

poverty and that was

36:09

not extended last year in December

36:11

because one person, Joe Manchin, believed

36:14

that people might be using that money for

36:17

drugs. Dr. Mary Jo Cauce In his state,

36:19

where he is allowing an entire

36:22

opioid crisis to go rampant. The

36:26

point is, that's a structural problem.

36:29

Because one Senator should not

36:31

be able to determine whether

36:33

we lit childhood poverty. One Senator

36:36

or two should not be

36:38

able to determine that we can't even have

36:40

a debate about amending the Voting Rights Act in

36:43

order to protect Black voters. So

36:46

there's structural reforms that have happened in the

36:48

Senate and on the other side of this election. That's

36:50

where our focus needs to be. Our

36:52

focus needs to be on reshaping

36:54

and reimagining this democracy so that

36:56

it works for us. Compromises

36:59

that were made in the original Constitution,

37:02

including the Electoral College, compromises that were

37:04

made to appease the slave states, that

37:07

were made to appease rural states that

37:09

had a very small population, have

37:12

to be reimagined. We

37:14

have to look at DC statehood. We have

37:16

to do these things on the other side

37:18

of this election. So that's the other thing I

37:20

would say, Amanda, if what you want to do

37:23

is just cast your ballot and then sit back

37:25

and judge what happens. That's

37:27

not going to work. We need people to

37:30

cast their ballot this year and

37:32

next year for every race and

37:35

to vote in an informed way. And then

37:37

after the election to stay engaged.

37:39

And that means I keep

37:41

saying to people once a month, you can call your Senator

37:43

and you should. They do worry

37:45

about these calls. Trust me. You can

37:48

call them. You can tag them on Twitter. I

37:50

was going to say they worry about social media.

37:52

People are like, what's the point of social media?

37:54

I'm like, what? Trust me. They

37:56

care. They do. You

37:59

need to show up. when your Congress person has

38:01

a town hall, have you ever

38:03

attended a school board meeting? Is

38:05

there something stopping you? Have you

38:07

ever attended a city council meeting or

38:10

do you just complain about garbage

38:12

pickup and the roads? And so

38:15

what I'm saying is I believe at this

38:17

time, given the rise

38:19

of authoritarianism, fascism,

38:22

hate groups, explicit

38:25

old-fashioned anti-black racism,

38:28

that we have to be refreshed and

38:30

renewed in how we approach

38:33

our engagement with this country. And

38:35

that means it's time out for posturing

38:40

and behaving like robots going into

38:42

a booth and then thinking that

38:44

there's no follow-up that has to happen after it.

38:47

You have to vote and then you

38:49

have to hold them accountable. And holding

38:51

them accountable is not saying, next time

38:53

I won't vote for them. That's not

38:55

it. Say it! If I'm accountable is

38:57

saying the truth, is showing up,

39:00

is protesting, yes, is calling your

39:03

Senator and telling your Senator what

39:05

you want the President to do because

39:08

that's how the pressure happens. Pressure happens

39:10

because the Senate starts hearing from members

39:13

of his party that they're

39:15

getting heat in their districts about

39:17

XYZ, you pick your issue. That's

39:20

what happens. You're not gonna call Joe Biden.

39:23

So you say, I'm not gonna vote for him next year.

39:25

That's not necessarily the answer. That's not

39:27

how you hold someone accountable. You hold someone accountable

39:29

by moving that power up through the chain, by

39:32

calling your Representative or your Senator at 202-224-3121, 202-224-3131.

39:40

And they will connect you and you

39:42

leave the message. You let my, you

39:44

know, enter the name of your Senator.

39:46

No, I want him to pressure Joe

39:49

Biden to do whatever. I

39:51

don't want a dime of my money to do

39:53

whatever. I want more money to go to XYZ.

39:56

That's what you need to be doing. And

39:58

if you're not doing that, if you can't take time, out once

40:00

a month to call this

40:02

person. I don't know what to tell you. I know

40:04

you can do it. But we need

40:07

to create that as an infrastructure in our

40:09

communities. You know, like how the Deltas have

40:11

Delta days on the hill, right? Where

40:13

they, you know, Delta is Carpet, Capitol Hill,

40:16

and they go visit congressional offices.

40:18

It's very powerful. When they see

40:20

thousands of college educated black women all wearing

40:23

red, walking through those halls and coming in

40:25

people's offices, they're shook. Yeah.

40:27

Well, they're so, they're so unconfronted on

40:29

such a regular basis. Yes. But what

40:32

if every church had a call day?

40:34

We don't tell you what to do because we're a church. We don't tell

40:36

you to vote for what we let anyone tell you what

40:39

to talk about. But as a church, we

40:41

go on Tuesday night. I'm not going to

40:43

interfere with Bible study on Wednesday night, but

40:45

Tuesday night is

40:48

our call night. And everyone is asked

40:50

to call their congressperson, their senator, their

40:52

whatever about an issue that matters to

40:54

them. I'm going to commit to adding

40:57

that to my radio show. I'm

41:00

going to commit to adding that effort to

41:02

my radio show. Right. What

41:04

are the

41:06

top two national civil rights

41:08

issues in your opinion, that

41:11

black people need to be

41:13

supporting? And what's at stake if we don't?

41:16

Asking me which of my children is my

41:18

favorite. I mean, they're, it's really, okay,

41:21

let's, let's reframe it. Let's reframe it.

41:23

What are two? What

41:29

are just two, you know, not top two,

41:31

just, you know, two that are up there.

41:33

I just picked two. Oh, goodness. Let's see.

41:35

I mean, I continue

41:37

to believe that

41:40

we will never be a healthy democracy

41:42

until we confront the truth about our

41:45

criminal justice system. Right. We just will

41:47

not be. And you are not

41:49

a full citizen. If the

41:52

state can commit violence against you

41:54

with impunity, you're not

41:56

right. You're just not, we recognize this

41:59

in any. other country, if

42:01

armed officers of the state can

42:04

commit unwarranted violence against you

42:07

with impunity, then the democracy

42:10

is deeply unhealthy and you cannot

42:12

consider yourself a full first class

42:14

citizen. So that has to be tackled

42:17

and has to be addressed and we can't let

42:19

our foot off the gas on that

42:21

issue. Obviously, I would say

42:23

voting because I think it's so important

42:26

and removing barriers to voting, but

42:28

I do believe that we have to re-engage around

42:30

the issue of education. I agree.

42:33

It is just so vital

42:35

and I do think we have

42:37

to help ourselves understand why public education

42:40

is important. You know,

42:42

as I said, it is a necessary feature of

42:45

any healthy democracy. It's

42:47

so funny to me and I talk about this in my

42:49

book, but also all the time that, you

42:52

know, everybody knows that Brown versus Board of

42:54

Education said that schools could not engage in

42:56

racial segregation, but the court

42:58

in Brown said something else that's really important that

43:00

almost never gets talked about. What

43:02

the court said in Brown was, and I'm

43:04

quoting now, education

43:07

is the very foundation of

43:10

citizenship. It is

43:12

the single most important function of

43:15

state and local government. That's

43:17

what the Supreme Court said. So ask

43:19

yourself wherever you are today in your city,

43:23

in your town, in your county, does

43:25

it look like education is the single

43:28

most important function of your local government?

43:30

From what you can see of the

43:33

educational system in your city or your town,

43:36

does it look like that in terms of

43:38

budget allocation? Does it look

43:41

like that in terms of infrastructure? Does

43:43

it look like that in terms of teacher

43:46

pay? Does it

43:48

look like that in terms of

43:51

support for students, including

43:54

disabled students, including

43:56

students who need language assistance? Does

43:58

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44:01

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44:04

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44:07

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45:40

know, when we talk about black

45:42

icons of leadership, et cetera,

45:44

you know, I think there's far too

45:46

often, like it stops after like

45:49

the civil rights movement. And then

45:52

you kind of don't get ushered into that ilk

45:54

unless you have passed away. So

45:56

Then it's like, Toni Morrison, right? And

45:59

It's like, well, you know, she what

46:01

would be would hear those he was

46:03

donuts and so I There's a strong

46:05

movement. I feel like within blackness at

46:07

this point a mixer. The people get

46:09

their flowers while they're here. And.

46:11

So I would. I just wants you to know that. You.

46:14

Have your flowers from Amanda Seals and

46:16

the Small Doses. Think that is more those

46:18

is it. And we are saying see we are. Just

46:21

genuinely honored to not just receive your

46:23

information, but your passion. And when I

46:25

sit here and I think about how

46:28

I can continue the work of people

46:30

like yourselves and diagnostic cetera in my.

46:33

Creative. Spaces. You'd. I

46:35

want you to know that you

46:37

create blueprints. You. Know that we

46:39

draw from like I'm going to go back to

46:41

this episode and pull from it to sculpt. What

46:43

I know that I have to do was add

46:45

to create a new program and I've been trying

46:48

to id the rally for quite some time now.

46:50

Last, but. It started out as

46:52

oh i need to create a new program

46:54

that is going say kind of get folks

46:56

excited about politics right? And then I realized

46:59

I hate politics, like to see and I

47:01

don't like politicians. Place said sense that these

47:03

folks are full of shit in a way

47:05

that I didn't even understand until I like.

47:08

kind of dated one for two weeks now

47:10

like this is. Wow. Like

47:12

this like really what you are like this

47:14

is real but we need more public servants

47:16

right? And that the and described throughout the

47:19

at his you know these episodes that we

47:21

me public servants. We need people who see

47:23

themselves yellowing into that space to serve a

47:25

community discern. serve. Their individualism says right? And

47:27

that's true. Everywhere that's true of being

47:30

of civil rights, lawyer or activists. It's.

47:32

True as the had comedienne

47:34

assess as success. You. Can

47:36

find out whether to serve You know

47:38

as as you can you really care

47:40

And it's encouraging people that doing that

47:43

is not undermining of yourself care that

47:45

undermining of your self awareness. It's a

47:47

selflessness that does actually serve you. Said

47:49

on allow businesses and let me say

47:52

we may have. I have never had.

47:54

An unhappy time in my work.

47:57

And Love. That. What I. I

48:01

love what very something about it.

48:04

I. Mean it, It's like it was made

48:06

for me. I just it just seems you

48:08

work every day. Don't get me wrong, exhausted

48:10

of the all that stuff and learning frankly

48:13

from younger generations and my kids about self

48:15

care. That's not something we were taught in

48:17

my generation, particularly those of us to in

48:20

civil rights work. The war stories. where is

48:22

that you was posted? you know, The

48:24

I go to you Dropped the eyes. So.

48:27

I appreciate the self care if he's I am trying

48:29

to learn it even late. But. The

48:31

work is incredibly hard no matter what.

48:34

And. To do

48:36

it and know that you're operating at

48:38

a level of excellence to make yourself

48:41

excellent vs on behalf of. The

48:43

people in your community. yeah Tyndall

48:45

always that what you trying to

48:47

do is something. Good

48:49

and noble and to be doing

48:51

it with other people who are

48:53

similarly submitted. And it

48:56

calls on everything else. Tickets So interesting.

48:58

You know like to be a civil rights

49:00

lawyer. You have to know something about economics

49:02

and you. Have to know history. You

49:05

know it worked on environmental justice. States is for

49:07

a long time yet to learn about it if

49:09

you are a bit and usa because we're. Affected.

49:11

By everything right? And

49:14

so it's endlessly fascinating. But.

49:16

Most of all, souls So satisfying.

49:19

To. Do this work in is so much joy and

49:21

laughter and that we have a great the consensus

49:23

the humor in the civil rights abuses. Because you

49:26

have to. Analyse. Yeah, it's a

49:28

beautiful thing is I just I don't

49:30

want people to feel at all. These

49:32

do gooders had their have you know

49:35

that's not how it is reality isn't

49:37

it is. It is beautiful, beautiful work.

49:39

And you never stop. Striving.

49:42

To. Honor. The. People

49:44

who came before you, they were just better. They

49:47

would better than we are. It's of Denver. Better

49:50

that. As though it has made of

49:53

better. Suck it up and so you just

49:55

never stop striving to be as strategic as

49:57

they were to be as. Fearless.

49:59

As they were. The be a relentless as they were.

50:01

I love is I just as you want people to

50:03

come in the water is fine. Some of services

50:06

a good thing it's of. Fun! Thing

50:08

and said joyous thing. While before we

50:10

go, I want to shout out to

50:12

people this interview is happening Speakers at

50:14

one of my. Homies. On

50:16

Instagram Hamid Tyndall took it upon himself

50:18

to reach out to you speak as

50:20

I had sat on Instagram man it

50:22

was he a dream, the interview sale

50:25

and I saw i've small doses and

50:27

he's is like were indeed Added he

50:29

didn't tell me he was like this

50:31

are you know I have harangued. Finally

50:35

responded. Power like horse.

50:38

That. One is that out. Hamid and

50:40

also my very very very very very

50:42

very good friend and a fellow alarm

50:44

of the Columbia. It's to research zapped

50:46

Americans that he is Natasha couldn't car

50:49

said they see us yeah that's my

50:51

says they're on their their see mrs

50:53

you as he thinks about you every

50:55

side as. Or to. She was a lovely,

50:57

dedicated voting rights lawyer at El Df for

50:59

a while and that's wonderful. The here. And

51:02

ya since I got her episode the she

51:04

did with as here it's motto sale Died

51:07

Effects of Free Speech where she explains when

51:09

people are like. Is

51:11

like none of that's nice that's not on them

51:13

from getting as handed to you on instagram. Oh.

51:20

I. Have been really trying

51:23

to. Figure out.

51:25

As how to I'm you know how

51:28

to create action items and actualize. You

51:30

know this system bringing civics into our

51:32

culture in a way that people feel

51:34

like it doesn't have a place. even

51:36

though we know for a fact that

51:38

it has had a place, my culture.

51:40

The only reason we have what we

51:42

have is because we've emblazoned civics into

51:44

our culture and made it a part

51:46

of our community like values. That's why

51:48

we stand on Allied for nine hours.

51:50

Never. That's how we don't as we

51:52

actually do know and I'm just saying

51:55

and pushing us. To. Gold the next

51:57

level. That when you get a that

51:59

billions to. Every all set up that's

52:01

what what I'm saying is. every generation

52:03

of lassie blessed to be responsive to

52:06

the moment in which we find ourselves

52:08

as our forebears did, He was

52:10

it a more time to say that one

52:12

more. Every last generation of black people. Have

52:15

to. Adjust ourselves that is

52:17

to meet the challenges of the

52:19

moment in which we find. Ourselves:

52:22

Yes, our forebears had to do

52:24

it. During periods of

52:26

slavery. They had to do it

52:28

during reconstruction. They had. To do it during

52:30

that that year. The. Nigeria's that period

52:33

that he avoided as the lowest period after

52:35

slavery for black people. And you know what

52:37

we did in that idea? We.

52:39

Created and strengthen Black

52:41

institutions. Yet, many of our

52:44

sororities were created in that

52:46

period. Many of our churches,

52:48

many of our H B

52:50

C use the Naacp split

52:52

we created, saying that later

52:54

came to be anchors for

52:56

activism. Sell. Whatever generation.

52:58

Where is the generation Where in

53:00

his one. In which we

53:02

are confronting rising Fascism in

53:04

which there is global fascism

53:07

as it's a global authoritarian

53:09

movement. In which the rise

53:11

of fascism has met that many people don't

53:13

hear how we look to the rest of

53:15

the world so that would allow. Don't get

53:18

to that. Not really thought about these right?

53:20

So. We have to be our

53:23

moments. And our moment requires a

53:25

higher level of citizenship than the

53:27

ones that even. Those. Of us who

53:29

consider ourselves. Against have

53:31

actively participated in. And

53:33

that means that even though last year you didn't want

53:35

to do jury. Service Now you do have to do Jersey

53:38

or as. I mean that

53:40

before. Election Day com. Two

53:42

weeks before you go on

53:44

ballot pdf.com B A L

53:47

L L T P E

53:49

D I A ballot. pdf.com.

53:53

As you put in your zip code and they will

53:55

tell you everything that's on your ballot. This. Year

53:57

they will tell you. Who's. Running

53:59

for the. those offices and what the job

54:01

of the office is. So

54:03

you will do that. You will do it

54:06

a few weeks before the Sunday afternoons. What you're going

54:08

to do is you're going to come home and you're

54:10

going to spend an hour getting yourself ready for the

54:12

election. You're not just busting up in the booth because

54:14

you know who's at the top of the ticket. You

54:17

are actually educating yourself about who is

54:19

on the ballot and what those offices

54:21

mean. If you are somebody

54:23

who's so frustrated and feels like you just

54:26

want to get involved, you're going to go

54:28

on runforsomething.com. runforsomething.com.

54:32

And you're going to work with this

54:35

group of people that is training people

54:37

to run for office and that's helping

54:39

people understand what offices they can run

54:41

for and helping them do it. So

54:44

you're going to just go to that

54:46

next level because that is what

54:49

is being required of us in this

54:51

moment because they

54:53

are trying to run the tables. They

54:55

want it all back. And

54:58

if we don't get serious about how we're going

55:00

to engage this moment, we are

55:03

going to be handing to our children

55:05

something worse than was handed to us,

55:07

which is a betrayal of

55:09

our ancestors.