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2:05

Side Effects of Labor Unions with Chris

2:07

Smalls, the head of the Amazon Labor

2:09

Union. Now, let's jump back into my

2:11

question I asked last episode, which was,

2:13

what made you decide to take this

2:16

on? What made you take

2:18

this on? No, because a lot of times we're handed

2:20

things and we don't take the note.

2:22

We're told by a higher power, like this is your

2:24

path. And we'd be like, nah, nah, I don't want

2:26

that. I don't want that. What is it that made

2:28

you say, I'm going to take this and go? We

2:31

don't have no choice. I have no choices.

2:33

Appointed no return. To get fired

2:35

in the pandemic, Amazon basically told me, fuck

2:38

you, dad. Think

2:40

about it. I lost everything. I

2:42

lost my financial income. I lost my

2:44

health insurance. I lost my stocks. I

2:46

lost everything. Right. So they

2:48

told the company that I've worked for for five

2:50

years, told me, fuck you.

2:54

I don't care about you or your family because

2:56

my whole family was on my health insurance. So

2:59

they don't care about my livelihood. So

3:01

I was rocked by them to the point where I had

3:04

nothing else to do, but fight back. I

3:06

fight back to get back on my feet. This

3:09

time I said, I'm going to do it my

3:11

way. And that's when I

3:13

founded my nonprofit organization called the Congress

3:15

of Essential Workers. This is before the

3:17

union. And I

3:20

founded that the day the memo came out

3:23

and I traveled across

3:26

the country in front of every Jeff Bezos

3:28

mansion. And I brought Amazon

3:30

workers. I brought people from

3:33

social injustice movements, Black Lives

3:35

Matter, environmental movements. And we

3:37

all marched in front of Jeff

3:39

Bezos mansions across the country from

3:41

New York City all the way

3:44

to Beverly Hills. And

3:46

I wasn't still thinking about a union.

3:48

It wasn't until that first campaign in

3:51

Alabama. And when

3:53

I realized the demographics of that

3:55

building, being 85% Black people, 80%

3:57

Black women.

4:00

And the company spending $20 million to

4:02

stop that campaign that hit

4:04

a nerve right there. I said, Oh, nah, nah, they doing

4:06

too much. So we tell me

4:08

more about that campaign. When you

4:11

say they were stopping that campaign, meaning that, what

4:13

does that mean? So I drove down there

4:16

to Alabama, 16 hours from New

4:18

York, all the way to Bessemer.

4:21

And I found out what things

4:23

that Amazon was doing to these workers. It was

4:25

crazy. The same thing they

4:27

did to us, but this was before we started.

4:30

So I didn't hear this for the first time

4:32

was mind blowing. They put them in Catholic audiences

4:35

and they're drilling anti-union propaganda in their head

4:37

every day. They put

4:39

in so much fear and doubt into a

4:41

low impoverished community. I don't know if anybody

4:43

been to Bessemer, Alabama, but if

4:45

you go to Bessemer, Alabama, you're stepping into

4:47

a time capsule. You're going to see tumbleweaves

4:50

and a whole bunch of broken rundown buildings.

4:52

The community is destroyed,

4:54

decimated, right? Wait, real

4:56

quick. Give me an example of what would

4:58

be anti-union propaganda. What are the types of

5:01

things that they would say to people to

5:03

make them feel like unions are not for

5:05

them? Number one, they always start with

5:07

the money. The union is

5:09

here to take your money. And as

5:11

poor people, will you care about? Soon

5:14

you hear, oh, they taking your union dues.

5:17

And then they calculated four of them. So

5:19

they say that the RWBSU

5:21

will make, they calculate all

5:24

the workers there, $5,000, $6,000. They

5:27

say, if you guys pay the

5:29

RWBSU union dues, they're going to make

5:31

$5 million a year, or for you. You

5:33

won't be able to buy a PlayStation 5.

5:36

That's how they get them. And people really,

5:39

they ate that up. Because

5:42

we are penny pitching. We

5:44

work check to check it out. So

5:48

anybody telling me if you taking my

5:50

money, that's the only thing

5:52

about union bushing. The number one goal

5:54

is to create fear and doubt. So

5:57

just spreading law, even if it was bullshit, they Just

5:59

Don't. Without the holding on think you'd

6:01

lose all immune to go see him

6:03

moves every day only been a ghostly.

6:06

Are you going to get minimum wage

6:08

if you full is equal to me?

6:10

Chris Moyles a millionaire? Oh oh yeah

6:12

I said he to tell them out

6:14

or by for small the Lamborghini some

6:16

known I'm more of a Bmw.so in

6:18

most cases sale. I love my German

6:21

engineering. Can a man that's as good

6:23

a this space is off season and

6:25

he spends a lot know misinformation decreed

6:27

Doubt that you. Other sell your

6:29

investment Alabama you look at around

6:31

just seeing how does this is.

6:33

The community is obviously said has

6:35

been because of neglect of people

6:37

in power and you're there. To

6:40

Help the this is before the union has

6:42

begun. So this is when you have the

6:44

Congress of the People and your as dire.

6:47

What is the use? Of the Congress

6:49

of the People In that context. Just.

6:52

Suitland, Support. We. Stayed

6:54

on me or be wanna help leave

6:56

loot pass out information. Salsa

6:58

workers were Amazon workers by the we're

7:01

For More currently on Amazon Where does

7:03

So we want to tell them my

7:05

year vote for the evil gaseous. So

7:07

we did that and honestly. The.

7:09

Union They weren't very welcoming to

7:11

me and my team effort of

7:13

beyond which in this is another

7:15

he did I we summon establish

7:18

humans the politics because as you

7:20

mentioned year people in that sound

7:22

neglected these workers for so long

7:24

that even the mayor sold them

7:26

out. The mayor said. Oh.

7:29

I like to you you but I don't

7:31

want them to. Pack of Amazon is in

7:33

no way because. He's unsold,

7:36

Some. I'm pretty sweet so that

7:38

nice little bags under the table. It went

7:41

over to city hall on noticed something the

7:43

other old city hall and a brand new

7:45

city hall absolve Only thing in town I

7:47

was brand new. Was. City Hall where

7:50

he said it every day. Was

7:53

everywhere else look like

7:55

does. My. history the

7:57

ghetto run down buildings

8:00

ain't been opening years, it look

8:02

crazy. And I'm like, wow. So

8:04

I was putting two and two together. And this

8:07

is another thing I have, an issue with the

8:09

Democratic Party, is that these politicians, they

8:11

be talking on the both sides of their mouth.

8:13

Oh, they're foolish, they're the worst of us. Oh,

8:15

we know that. And while I had to learn

8:17

the hard way, because of course you need some

8:20

support on that level to

8:22

get things passed. I

8:24

definitely appreciate the opportunity of going to

8:26

the Senate and testifying, even though they'll

8:29

never bring my black ass back there,

8:31

probably. But I still had

8:33

a moment to address things and

8:35

get my voice out there and be a voice

8:37

for people. It's not enough

8:39

anymore. These breadcrumbs that we've been getting,

8:42

it's not enough anymore. And I, as a

8:44

rookie in the game, I'm learning this in

8:46

my year, you know, year two and three.

8:49

So where I'm at right now, in

8:51

24, wow,

8:54

we about to lose this administration. We about

8:56

to lose the Biden administration. And

8:58

he claiming to be the most pro-labor

9:00

union president in American history? Oh,

9:03

nah, we cannot settle for

9:05

this. This is ridiculous. We haven't gotten anything.

9:07

What have we gotten? You

9:12

said that this particular instance in Bessemer

9:14

is when you said we gotta start

9:16

a union. Yes, 2000,

9:19

and this was 2021. But

9:22

they already had a union. They

9:24

were trying to get one. They actually

9:26

were unsuccessful. And it's sad because they're

9:28

still without a union. We're still only the only

9:30

one. But I thought you said that the union that

9:32

was there wasn't welcoming. The union

9:35

was trying to organize them to

9:37

vote in the union. Meaning the

9:39

RWDSU, they went to that building

9:41

and tried to form a union

9:44

at that building. But they, so

9:46

the union was like a support system for the workers

9:48

to form. Got it. And so then when

9:50

you showed up and it could have been like, all right,

9:53

let's team up together and get this across the finish

9:55

line. They was like, nah, we over here doing our thing.

9:57

Like, why are you coming over here? It's

9:59

like one. Why everybody doesn't under... well I

10:01

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So. Now you come over they are you

12:30

like I will Ya full of shit How

12:33

to you Then say. I'm.

12:35

Than a starter. Unions good. One thing

12:37

I notice in this interview is a

12:39

you are will were very similar. You're

12:41

like oh I see it. This.

12:43

What it requires. This. Is what

12:45

we're gonna do now. My. Of that seems

12:48

to be your ammo. The. You

12:50

even said I like you, I love

12:52

you, I'm a marry you like a

12:54

lot of niggers can't even do that

12:56

sir. Whole: you're a follow through Skype

12:58

a person's so what made you be

13:00

like right? Since This is some bullshit.

13:03

I gotta take it up a notch and like

13:05

what's even the first step would say even the

13:07

for several. Years it will. It was

13:09

definitely the answer. Is deathly

13:12

That group? It was. In. Was

13:14

on the best from Alabama or the

13:16

beer resulted from an hour with indies

13:18

and I said in ago when. When.

13:21

I go public is see the awesome

13:23

chemo now so I support them up

13:25

Sweetie The old daily. Vessel

13:28

you know, the solar, The models. Who says that?

13:30

Us a day when. I

13:32

annoying was it on the level of

13:34

back in August right now only did

13:36

he lose a loss bet they got

13:38

blown so it really was day. I

13:41

said that while we follow in the

13:43

same pushed as it was on says

13:45

we're not going to go for one

13:47

establish use know. Why?

13:49

Is think about there's another side. The

13:52

people who I was affiliated with the

13:54

uses. Amazon. Been

13:56

around for twenty nine years. Will.

13:59

Was. They. You know why.

14:02

Let. Me tell ya, another friend in on the

14:04

job? Sex. In two thousand am

14:06

I love of them on a strap a damn

14:08

on as in the same warehouse. Then.

14:11

I'll organize in two thousand and

14:13

eighteen. Remember. That seems

14:15

to Wildwoods openness made strides

14:17

is unionized. My building. A

14:20

may have even hear about our fear.

14:22

Sunni. We hear about it does so

14:25

bad in poorly it was organized because

14:27

the workers weren't even involved since what

14:29

you were the know you don't even

14:32

know God was employed. Beard two thousand

14:34

Eighty Nine Openness and on it and

14:36

diseases. Try to organize a campaign with

14:38

these workers and they want the cesspool.

14:41

He got fired he may some headlines

14:43

in New York Times said. He was

14:45

fired for that purpose for trying to create a union. Forgot

14:48

we was five for but we do

14:50

give by. He went to a union

14:52

and try to organize and some capacity

14:54

in agreement. On the ground is what

14:57

I'm saying it's and now me that

14:59

it was. Other campaigns besides best I'm

15:01

Alabama isn't campaigns against Amazon for years.

15:03

says. You never heard about. Because.

15:06

They weren't doing a good job and

15:08

is not a i'm Not same knocking

15:10

the unions. Be. Organized in

15:13

the traditional style. We.

15:15

did everything against the books, However,

15:17

every time it. Is because you a

15:19

whole against the books. I'm fascinated by you.

15:21

This I you know, I saw a fascinating.

15:23

Person figure you to and and

15:26

so do everything we do. Every

15:29

day we do it was different. It was

15:31

besides my style. I. Spent three

15:33

hundred days, And a

15:35

bus stop over dreams are these. At

15:37

the bus stop across the street from where I was

15:39

like. so I set up a kid. I

15:41

used to set up and say and you guys

15:43

a seat is when a documentary come out. We.

15:46

Had a film crew. that film pretty much

15:48

stayed sorry of our campaign but I set

15:50

up and soon as the bus stop across

15:52

the street from the warehouse fr me on

15:54

those above the ground. Is is

15:56

there are the warehouse in silence. Is.

15:59

That a solid. Yes, Philo

16:01

Fall over three hundred

16:03

plus days. Winter. Summer.

16:06

Rain sign. We. Were out

16:08

there to salt in the workers. Given.

16:10

Our information building the relationships

16:13

earn interest. So.

16:15

Seducing know unions, Will.

16:17

Never do you never want see another

16:19

union president. Diem. What I did

16:22

they did not have do that the novelist

16:24

in their time at a bus stop for

16:26

over a year in I'm doing it So

16:28

the way do it is they put in

16:30

what they call Union Salts. Salt

16:33

saw workers that were fleeing.

16:35

But. They are hired by

16:38

the employer Sagal Organize. That.

16:40

Sounds Additional Style Unions.

16:43

Pretty much organize the film

16:45

industry. What is hospital by

16:47

the school or warehouse death?

16:49

Me even Starbucks Starbucks is

16:51

use salt as well. Do

16:53

you mean higher these people

16:56

a pay them any symptoms

16:58

at a warehouse. And

17:00

they start the organized that way you can

17:02

do that Amazon because guess what? They.

17:04

Find people every day so you union organizing as

17:06

you pay to get up in a he me

17:09

more last. Because. Amazon is

17:11

a term. In turn my

17:13

company in is a different

17:15

monster. You a never. Is

17:18

easy work. Both. Gave

17:20

a good about the other intangibles you

17:22

work intended. Twelve hours does not including

17:25

your commute. My commute to

17:27

Amazon would soon as about three hours

17:29

each way. blocks. Oh yeah, I live

17:31

in New Jersey Disney Direct way. Well

17:34

I'll have one house is that out as

17:36

I would Then I saw from New Jersey

17:38

I'm not from New York or live in

17:40

New Jersey. I'm born and raised here from

17:42

I'm from Jersey from have had to set

17:44

out on from Newark or that I live

17:46

in Oregon. Ducks law was living at at

17:48

the time. saw the lumen in New Words

17:50

in the hood. That's. Own of

17:52

the com seasons living that's why

17:55

wow that breaks because that their

17:57

friends it's you buy said via

17:59

this. The dark side of people don't hear

18:01

about is like I was dodging bullets. To

18:04

get some works. And. Seriously like

18:06

you know we've about North

18:08

Jersey to Hood and I'm

18:10

doing is in a two

18:12

hour three hour commute. There's

18:15

no. there's no direct way without a car is

18:17

no direct way to Staten Island. From years you

18:19

have to take a bus. Into

18:21

the city? Has he to take a

18:23

train downtown to the fair? Enough realistic?

18:26

A ferry over the diamond the as

18:28

a man was suitable. For

18:30

different ways to get to work. So.

18:33

When I got off work and others

18:35

the graveyard shift our mouths. It's wild.

18:37

Our Thursday Friday Saturday night a party.

18:40

I had no party like I was

18:42

working Amazon Thursday Friday Saturday nights would

18:44

swell. Wow. I got off as seven

18:46

in the morning didn't have to do

18:49

that to me. Take a quick power

18:51

nap and in go right back. Can

18:53

ask you some real quick though. Like.

18:56

Were. You doing that because you felt like

18:58

it was your only option? Like.

19:01

Were you doing that because you felt

19:03

like. You. Actually kind of enjoyed

19:05

the job. Like what were the fact there is

19:07

that kept you in that type of situation? I

19:10

do the job in the people. Get.

19:12

On enjoy the job use the people that kept me

19:14

there. The down the opposite.

19:16

It was literally the people who I

19:18

knew that a body social work one

19:20

day. And I never really miss

19:23

work at I'm Obama Money a lot more

19:25

money in alum over time. When he saw

19:27

was people knew I was did he had

19:29

to be like a vacation. a song for

19:32

me but as even if I was good

19:34

seek arm in arm without people by Young

19:36

Cruz is always a beard oil rig. One

19:38

of those moment with people bournemouth. Where

19:41

are you be? So it was

19:43

really. The people that can't

19:45

be there because and be honest, I

19:48

people might seem that woman. My grandmother's

19:50

a nice. They. Will cry because

19:52

amazon with moved into another department.

19:54

I was easier and I felt terrible

19:57

because our kids who need. Not

19:59

only do. Though Mack only recommend stuff,

20:01

I couldn't make a decision, I can

20:03

really help do. When I

20:05

was as a supervisor are became a

20:08

therapist over the years. In our

20:10

as real know it allies guys

20:12

are really learn know who these

20:14

people wasn't to be baby showers.

20:17

They went to my birthday parties. we

20:19

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20:21

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20:23

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20:25

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20:27

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20:29

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20:31

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20:34

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20:36

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20:38

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20:40

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20:42

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20:44

ah Denny. On. Nights because on

20:46

nice they seem to put all the

20:48

people of color nights. Which.

20:51

Is another another dame. In.

20:53

Another thing, they're really put me over the

20:55

top with the company before to pandemic. Apply

20:58

to be a salary measure. Over fifty thoughts

21:00

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21:02

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21:04

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21:06

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21:09

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21:11

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21:13

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21:23

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21:26

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23:36

When you decided to start the union,

23:39

Because. I think I probably ask. The question

23:41

that said the sauce like everything you

23:43

say I like become more I think

23:45

for okay let me just full disclosure

23:47

yeah like labor and labor unions etc

23:49

for a lot of us and I'm

23:51

going to say myself included have felt

23:53

like this thing that's like in orbit

23:56

out here, right? Like when you say

23:58

that in Sweden it's Ninety Four. Then

24:00

you know labor unions. That means that

24:02

is a part of a culture like

24:04

that. Will you let know about You

24:06

know That's something that you are aware

24:08

of because it is a part of

24:10

your societies. It is actively not that

24:12

here right? So in doing so it

24:14

makes it's a like you don't even

24:16

fully understand the importance of the it

24:18

almost seems like a mystery. As like

24:20

an exclusive club? Yes! So I always

24:22

go inside. It's it's Aussie the day because.

24:25

Minds. You. Have been sad since

24:27

I was eight. I have

24:29

been as labor union since I

24:32

was eight years old and never

24:34

really understood. What the

24:37

through? Existence

24:39

and necessities of labor unions

24:41

were beyond. The. Union

24:43

is supposed to protect the laborers

24:45

right? like best. just like the

24:47

headline. but. In. Listening to

24:50

you, you really start to understand. The.

24:53

Relationship Beyond that

24:55

because. This is

24:57

a country that is a corporation. And

25:00

so the labor unions are

25:02

not just protecting quote unquote

25:04

the laborers. The Laborers are.

25:06

Being. Used and a corporate fashion

25:08

to find a country that does

25:11

not consider them humans and this

25:13

exact three that was founded on

25:15

slavery. So.

25:18

It. Is very close in nature

25:20

to the ways in which this

25:22

country has always operated. It has

25:25

needed a labor force for it

25:27

said be considered you know above

25:29

board or working and functioning but

25:31

that labor force as a have

25:33

any representation. With. The actual

25:36

corporate structures in a real way back As you

25:38

were saying in the beginning, right? M I get

25:40

along. Am I getting. Into absolutely are

25:42

enormous I'm as more gyms which

25:44

is like. You said it.

25:47

Currently live. We're not part. Of.

25:49

Government the way we should be? You know,

25:51

while. As he misses Sweden

25:54

and ago did you tazewell London.

25:56

In Canada guess would be had a we don't.

26:00

May. I believe a party. The. Right

26:02

fit. Oh se don't eat as though

26:04

they are actually part of the government.

26:07

Like you mentioned, Ninety. Percent.

26:09

You're. Born into a union in

26:11

Sweden, they people are Subway, Mcdonalds,

26:14

They have a union for every individual

26:16

like a Be and some weights and

26:18

are being a totally different union from

26:20

the persists and right next to me

26:22

at a Catherine's interesting like you get

26:25

and suisse even it's voice. We'll.

26:27

You begin saw this once about

26:29

did not disappoint. A poacher. Their

26:32

part of the government's. Why? You

26:34

think Tesla he line is bigger headlines by

26:36

now. Because. Sessler try

26:38

to go to Sweden of all countries

26:40

is a all google is sort of

26:42

government because we don't want to work

26:45

with you in a lab that you

26:47

are right now what you do sit

26:49

over here would also the Us and

26:51

if you try to go next door

26:53

guess what We got that some sort

26:55

a sudden Sweden and Denmark a web

26:57

Lt john doe because he saw the

26:59

go around the unions and and ninety

27:01

percent you in conceded to have boosted

27:03

in America because we've got these corporations.

27:06

Boy. The. Bigger issue is that

27:08

we're not a part of government. The.

27:11

Way we should be. The Nlrb

27:13

process is. Cool. Now is

27:15

not when it is that people

27:18

including myself that are wrongfully fired

27:20

publicly roughly by you must still

27:22

have my job at. The

27:25

System. James. My keys

27:27

to pursue soon? Donald Trump. Yes, it's

27:29

of my case. Dismissed.

27:33

So where's my just as as. With.

27:35

My Just as. A bottom organized

27:38

I guess? nothing. And as

27:40

well we tell people this a difference between

27:42

been in the Union and been in a

27:44

thirty year. Isn't huge difference

27:46

between it or you could be a user.

27:48

You get sick, leave, Parking. A

27:51

union dues in this Data services?

27:53

Whatever. Bar yeah. Organizing to bring

27:55

more people into the union? Das

27:58

a bit happen in this country. This is

28:00

why in America we're in a country where

28:02

union dues to be less than six percent.

28:05

Know. By name mother knows the union is

28:07

right now. It's not as you, not his

28:09

eyes and you are a part of the

28:11

union. Nobody will not hesitate it. Only teachers

28:13

unions in this country I tell him you're

28:15

not teaching us. Do this about. John.

28:17

Amelia. Instead of

28:19

career de yah bringing and police officers

28:22

and firefighters and dogs as nurse it's

28:24

you're not bringing in union leaders. What's.

28:27

Going on here. Is not like

28:29

that in other countries. The unions are

28:31

very much a part of government. If

28:34

not, they are one third of the

28:36

government, one third of the. They have

28:38

their own party, the idea, own policies

28:40

in their home, prime minister, M P's

28:43

whatever any had. A voice is

28:45

something was a happen real time. Be

28:47

able to change is real time. We

28:49

have to wait every three or four

28:51

years. I'll be away for the next

28:53

administration. And bought at times too late.

28:55

So. Now would last sixty years

28:57

we bambee get screwed over. Guess

29:01

where we are right now. So we're gonna.

29:03

we're gonna wait. So trump's back in there.

29:06

And in the wanna cry wolf when we

29:08

know issues right now like I miss you

29:10

I'm a rookie. Would. All these

29:12

other union president right now. Would

29:15

you don't is there isn't a

29:17

democrat party as. Endorse know

29:19

these policies and own to sit with

29:21

him and he giving our you do

29:23

let me ask you a quest you

29:25

policy right Sag is a part of

29:27

a avail Cia oh right. I

29:29

believe. This

29:31

you. Authorize. A

29:34

of those the I owed to endorse

29:36

Joe Biden. Daily made a

29:38

decision for you. And. The case you

29:40

didn't know at the person one. Use

29:42

it as well. See I was a person endorsed

29:44

by in his youth. Vote. Way

29:47

of when it come from. How the hell you endorse

29:49

a president ain't us if we are. You

29:51

may use a robo strike on the real.

29:54

most likely just last year was I'd doors

29:56

this man. When did they go

29:58

to each member in ask ya. For

30:00

you say, and I know I

30:02

didn't even do a majority vote

30:05

No, no Saudi in Dorset politicians.

30:07

We all union dues without our

30:09

permission. By you take

30:11

my shoes independent. And. Us: what

30:13

people would life be like oh we not

30:15

a part of a of they'll see I

30:17

have so we don't get invited soon. the

30:20

conference's in December. Third as a damn shame

30:22

because if you care about workers used to

30:24

be about workers should be about politics and

30:26

who's of believe he will. Who is about

30:28

workers? What is not the case. So

30:31

that may be a dumb question, but it

30:33

came to mind As you are teaching about. This.

30:35

The different ways that things are set

30:37

up overseas. so is your union. Does.

30:40

It represent workers beyond

30:42

Amazon. Oh. Be good. We

30:44

haven't started yet, but. I can

30:47

go to Amiens the wrong one it you know

30:49

too much a monthly would Amazon's I want to

30:51

complete my mission. You know my mission is to

30:53

get the first skill. We got the first Union

30:55

for American. Workers by. We

30:58

don't have a contract yet so

31:00

once we get a contract I

31:02

was started dab into other industries.

31:04

I'm deathly helping. right? Now

31:06

I'm I'm helping other people

31:08

organize like Tesla. Like.

31:10

Walmart. Like Trader Joe's

31:13

I'm given the margins that I've

31:15

learned when my experience of course.

31:17

so we're working where other people,

31:19

but we're not really at the

31:22

point cause we're not even financially

31:24

stable right now beyond which my

31:26

humans independent. We. Don't have

31:28

you induce I have a thousand members.

31:30

But no by saying you Hindus because

31:32

as the President. I said I'm

31:35

not going said union dues from people has already

31:37

poor. And silver able to get a contract

31:39

and get higher wages. I'm not

31:41

going as these workers were

31:43

union dues so we're only

31:45

surviving barely surviving by literally

31:47

donations. And that's where can

31:50

people died He that. Where. Can People

31:52

Donate? Please go to our website

31:54

hims only been in.or G or

31:56

a a slower Amazon labor union.o

31:58

R G. The. These are

32:00

my instagram bio. Sonar.

32:03

Instagram by was well in our

32:05

website. So. Give me I

32:07

was store we are merchandise any little

32:10

pay their people can do to support

32:12

us we're absolutely ask if works because

32:14

we are independent Yulia with no contract

32:17

and once again the only way we

32:19

been survive and is by community support

32:21

which. You know, is hit

32:23

or miss sometimes depending on the narrative. In

32:26

the beginning you said that you feel like. We're.

32:29

On a hamster. Well like the hasn't been

32:31

any progress. What are

32:33

you feel like needs to

32:35

happen in the immediate future?

32:37

For progress to be seen. Many. To

32:39

tell the truth. Will. Need to

32:42

stop misinforming ourselves. Light. Is

32:44

this a lot of bullshit going on outside? Another,

32:46

So we do make progress. We may progress

32:48

in this country for so we we started

32:50

we we death. He started a resurgence in

32:53

labor. Jazz Hands down.

32:55

seventy seven percent of American do

32:57

support labor unions. That

32:59

doesn't. Mean shit when you got six percent,

33:01

you mean density. Gas a different

33:03

sold on side of the Fl see

33:06

aisle and all these other unions output

33:08

not the seventy seven percent of Americans

33:10

support do is. Seventy.

33:13

Seven percent of Americans don't know shit

33:15

about you. Are you talking about that

33:17

They support is steaks. Is that

33:20

I would put now deal source of course

33:22

looks good, looks great, Why

33:24

are you bringing people instead of

33:26

move me? That's. All

33:28

know the conversation. We're.

33:30

Not doing it were patting ourselves and our

33:33

back. For. Breadcrumbs. When

33:35

you got other countries as I

33:38

mentioned to have absolute federal laws

33:40

that protect us, not only protectors,

33:42

they make it easier for people

33:45

to join the union. A bomb

33:47

in Canada right now and I'm

33:50

in Vancouver. And I'm saying.

33:52

I want to be in a union. does a

33:54

local the card? six? Mean in other

33:56

we the card asylum Guess what? I'm in a union.

33:59

Is no a like. He didn't on it or

34:01

you in bus issued than amazon twenty five

34:03

million.is none it as his application and then

34:05

i'm in a union. Same. thing

34:08

overseas much how come I'm

34:10

the only one talk about

34:12

this So these conversations that

34:14

needed he had his people

34:16

any to be held accountable

34:18

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34:28

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34:30

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34:32

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34:36

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34:38

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34:40

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34:49

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36:39

Speaking. To hold people accountable when he that

36:42

to say about the sister in Texas who was

36:44

attacked the Amazon. Worker who was attacked in

36:46

their use in apartment building by the

36:48

to racists old Ladies be A said

36:50

no beside the stories on Happy that

36:52

went viral because. The story don't

36:55

be have loads on. A

36:57

B Stories good. I'll be like that. You

36:59

know workers get mistreated all the time I

37:01

see me and as there used to be

37:04

be as well. I used to be a

37:06

delivery worker at one point in time and

37:08

I remember going to have a house and

37:10

is why woman literally had a scientist or

37:12

no need is allowed. And we saw

37:14

the know. We. Saw going about

37:16

my early two thousand. So.

37:19

Racism is very much still alive

37:21

Known it was sad is that

37:23

workers. Will. Literally. Take

37:26

that he would say dead My we

37:28

were delivering the it's not my job

37:30

soda sold his company's on a contract

37:33

with this woman who got a sign

37:35

that said no niggers allow. A

37:38

literally see them even want to

37:40

see me see me my driver

37:42

deliver the package because I had

37:44

to stay miserable. This is a

37:46

resident or this is that of

37:48

is our residents Wow residents So

37:50

when as story came out he

37:52

just flashbacks a with dab dab

37:54

one situation we meet I remember

37:56

that have so these days. In.

37:59

This beauty of. Social Media we gotta

38:01

use that school now is a tool

38:03

for us to have our stories out

38:05

there as workers in a brilliant theories

38:08

Me because Amazon is very much aware

38:10

of this. They. Are aware of

38:12

did they know will be subjected to but

38:14

do they. Know.

38:17

They're not really care. What? Bothers them as

38:19

the a Pr know. So that video

38:21

gone viral. All the stories

38:23

is another woman flapping help him

38:26

under the table for a very

38:28

long time, Christina Brown or sister

38:31

Pusan Brow or amazon workers who

38:33

died. Because she was Colby

38:35

testing our colleagues. because Amazon sold or

38:37

to do that? As he

38:39

died and left behind a twelve year old

38:41

daughter. Gabby and

38:43

Will amazon opener two months

38:45

a councilman. Me: Want to

38:47

twelve year old on grow without a mother? But.

38:50

Yeah, over two months accounts so.

38:52

D. Cyber Stories and I'll I'll put you

38:54

in touch with her. To add to this

38:56

these I personally don't get hurt. And

38:59

these voices did lights And this is black

39:01

and brown people Amazon no matter where, you

39:03

and the country. Amazon Employees:

39:05

majority black and brown people.

39:08

Are open up three warehouses, same

39:10

demographics. same thing I miss him

39:12

in best I'm Alabama. The same

39:14

demographic disarming. Eighty five percent

39:16

black and brown. Eighty percent black

39:18

women. So. Be

39:21

deliberately. Destroyed our community to

39:23

set up shop. The. Put these

39:25

warehouses right outside as it's a higher.

39:27

Everybody from the the it's which is

39:29

great. I love that the we get

39:31

up at Suny the average job. I

39:33

don't think that from amazon to give

39:35

you. They do give people a lot

39:38

of his work and next in convicted

39:40

felons, sex offenders, murderers. I had a

39:42

more and more. And are me

39:44

them productive And I made them for

39:46

Duffy because he respected me. But.

39:49

It was a two way street. Respect is

39:51

given in earn it wasn't My gallons is

39:53

using them and didn't kick them out the

39:55

door. I was teaching them things and also

39:57

put them on the same. Love was me.

40:00

And that's why gain the respect I did in

40:02

my short time near. And the

40:04

stories about workers, specially the limited

40:06

sexes. We. Need something to

40:09

happen? I'm softball accountability. Jeff

40:11

Bezos is no longer Cel by

40:14

using the largest shareholder. See.

40:16

Me to be held accountable. As he

40:18

just he needs to be held accountable. When you say

40:20

held accountable what you mean. They need to

40:22

be brought in, not just to get a slap

40:24

on the wrist. for these committees are whatever they

40:27

be, don't in in Congress. Or the

40:29

me to be prosecuted. They that it's

40:31

often about. not only work is being

40:33

around the cost as far as. Distilling.

40:36

Our data. My the thought about that.

40:38

The thought about the feds. Amazon's a

40:40

monopoly. They take your data, they treat

40:42

Amazon echo and they say oh look

40:44

be created a products at the still

40:46

a somalia of his ideas. With.

40:49

Accountability and. So. As a

40:51

small business, some I try to get on.

40:54

With Amazon see a number is not the rise.

40:56

know they do the cardio. And

40:58

in a take your product a slap Amazon logo

41:00

on it and then he says. And

41:03

I seen it. So. With

41:05

accountability. Where's. The As

41:08

The Sea and all these other into

41:10

D Stairs I'll soon be no, there's

41:12

no checks and balances with these billion

41:14

in is not as is all of

41:16

the billion. It's Facebook, Google. Twitter

41:19

we can go on and on.

41:21

They all had political ties, And

41:24

a by these politicians of all the

41:26

time. What? Are three sets

41:28

for creating a union where there

41:31

isn't one currently within a company.

41:33

For yeah oh we talk about that through

41:36

the to start a union. This.

41:38

The American way. You have to

41:40

have thirty percent of your workforce.

41:42

So. To start up you have to.

41:45

A neatly I would say. Make

41:48

your homework Committee gets you a

41:50

couple of friends colleagues for me

41:52

Workers committee first. That's.

41:55

Very important works committee

41:57

then. You. Start the

41:59

campaign. A lobby. Well,

42:01

we need money. This that underlie know

42:04

you don't need money and all that

42:06

bullshit. It'll come as you organize. When

42:08

we won against Amazon, we had two

42:10

thousand our bank account. Two thousand

42:12

and fifty five cents to be exact. so we

42:14

handle money. be at a go fund Me as

42:16

always of I we didn't that three hundred days

42:19

outside the bus stop. No. Money No

42:21

resource in no support. right? Is

42:24

just people power? So. Start.

42:26

The group works committee then you

42:28

get thirty percent. Of your

42:31

workforce. So you have. Ten. People

42:33

in need. Three of them. To

42:35

sign up. For.

42:37

Whatever union that supreme you can create

42:39

a union. Is easy prey one

42:42

just like a great any other group. You

42:44

just three people? Or however

42:46

many and you go to the

42:49

Nlrb and you submit that. Ensue

42:51

fell on how rb yes, I'm

42:53

proud of Low Fat Low syntax.

42:56

The end Lr be that National

42:58

Labor Relations Board decided that isn't.

43:01

And once you submit that be

43:03

verified adhesive work there that the

43:05

employees a. Day. Summit

43:08

that information. Sue the company

43:10

say he's been opposition file

43:12

for You mean election? Once

43:14

you get past that, You. Me

43:17

City percent. Plus one

43:19

so be has busy pursuing the

43:21

bottom five say five years thought

43:23

know guess what he lost. You

43:26

need a my your own right, need

43:28

majority and once you get that you

43:30

have your union for recognition. Not.

43:32

You to contract. By. Daggers

43:34

you? Recognition. Once you

43:37

give has that got to get certified.

43:40

To. Get certified the company does it appealed

43:42

election for the gonna appeal if the

43:44

hits arguing that when I feel like

43:47

a deal with us as you get

43:49

past the appeals and all that bullshit.

43:51

To be in Corfu Eight months,

43:54

Nine months. Then the government says,

43:56

yea, you one. Would be

43:58

noticed, are ready. Here's your

44:00

fish you certification that still does it

44:02

help you get a contract Ages moves

44:05

you a long saying that the company

44:07

can no longer reversed election. This.

44:09

As I own that of Nations

44:12

Okay I got me is like

44:14

you said of Hamster Revolving Answer

44:16

Will and. Now the to

44:18

certify you have to give our

44:20

bargaining order. To get the

44:23

com me to negotiate. but guess what?

44:25

Guess with this com he does with

44:27

million dollars and million our lawyers, the

44:29

appeal all of this stuff and that

44:32

sounds that I'm going forward. By the

44:34

time you get to the table you

44:36

may not even have any work as

44:38

dear for the them fired everybody. Das

44:40

would the problems in the process so

44:42

we don't one is already been so

44:44

used as we won. We.

44:47

Won in two thousand. Twenty two, two thousand, Forty

44:49

four. And you haven't been able to get

44:51

to the table to negotiate because they

44:53

keep appealing. We don't even have a

44:55

bargaining. Because. They've been

44:57

appealing. Yes, but not just because The

45:00

appealing because we allow them to. Be.

45:02

Is no laws. That's what I

45:04

mean. The labor laws and the

45:06

people that came before they do

45:08

the job right. Because I won't

45:10

tell me that. Amazon. Maybe

45:13

you need a Starbucks? Who

45:15

just me? American history, As

45:17

I miss you been taught to your children. So.

45:20

You won't see like stay on March Thirtieth.

45:22

Two thousand Forty two we beta back to

45:24

his me but guess what, they never got

45:26

to a contract because our it'll are beat.

45:28

Make. It make sense. That's where

45:30

we're in this country by. We're. Not

45:33

getting. Just do the way

45:35

we should be. Scale we won or

45:37

would you be. I see when Mrs

45:39

one another heavy as our measurements were

45:41

drowning right now. Legal fees as paid

45:43

thirty thousand a month just to keep.

45:46

Representation for Work. Now that a

45:48

lot of my boys systems via

45:50

Be Duffy a pro bono Lawyers

45:52

by is not even that is

45:55

the fact that. Would. Solve

45:57

about workers com and to me from all over the

45:59

world. From all over the world

46:01

or been helping people out. It's not just

46:03

Staten Island, where are the only union in

46:05

America? Black. People shown

46:07

a mouth is all columnist from all over

46:10

the world. every day. So.

46:12

We helped of we'll turn them away That's going

46:14

to help them is is some capacity and be

46:16

take on a brother that. For somebody

46:18

has to get paid My legal team they deadly

46:21

done a lot of pro bono work with these

46:23

to have bills to pay. Mcdonalds

46:32

is not new. For

46:35

me questioning their second create and get

46:37

our hands on. Classic

46:40

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46:42

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46:45

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46:55

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47:01

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