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5:26

Hello everybody. Hello John And

5:29

before we get started John, I

5:31

want you to tell our listeners

5:33

how we have the great pleasure

5:35

to have you with us today

5:37

and who got you here? Well.

5:40

I have a. Along. And

5:42

interesting relationship with Paul. We

5:45

worked a lot of homicide

5:47

cases, just in general and

5:49

for whatever reason of Cobb

5:51

County I think has more

5:54

than it's fair share of

5:56

high profile cases and Paul

5:58

has certainly been. The. In.

6:00

Anything that I was ever involved in.

6:03

My go to guy and we met

6:05

when he was a lowly criminalist in.

6:07

I was in homicide at the police

6:09

department and be in the cop that

6:11

I am. I recognized quickly. When you

6:14

see a resource and it's a great

6:16

resource, you grab onto it and so

6:18

my partner and I have the time

6:20

said boy that Paul Holes is top

6:22

notch. We gotta make sure he gets

6:25

on our cases anytime we need you

6:27

know? Lab assistance and that just blossomed.

6:29

We worked a lot. Of cases together,

6:31

Months? What? and And the reality? As

6:33

you know, it's a two way street.

6:35

Cause you know When John and I

6:38

first met and we were working the

6:40

The Sun's All series of cases of

6:42

women that were being killed, you know

6:44

I recognize right away a top notch

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investigator. Him and his partner were true

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partners, but also having this broad exposure

6:50

that I had from the Sheriff's lab

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or I'm working with everybody in the

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county, I recognized talent. I recognize experience

6:57

and expertise and so as an instant

6:59

bond. And then we just continue. To

7:01

have That bond. Yeah, we still have that bond

7:03

today. Eleven Ah, and

7:05

with that shines. Tell

7:09

us how the case we're gonna talk

7:11

about how these days games. Yeah. It's

7:13

kind of an unusual circumstance. It

7:16

was late in the afternoon I

7:18

was in my office hours looked

7:20

around. think I'm not pride to

7:23

get outta here and be Chief

7:25

investigator showed up in my doorway.

7:28

great guy and he said are

7:30

you busy right now. And

7:32

I said. Cheap are not just

7:34

get ready to get outta here in he

7:36

says i need a favor and I city

7:38

nancy by think I've told you several times

7:40

when that sees ask for a favor that's

7:42

called in order. To

7:45

feel like it that way but I

7:47

do is your help in. So he

7:49

had been in his office listen to

7:51

the main dispatched channel for the sheriff's

7:53

office which a lot of agencies were

7:55

tied into and he said that he

7:57

thought that a locally to see smaller

7:59

agency. Had caught a case where

8:01

they had found a body of a

8:04

child and he says i think guy

8:06

you know you need to grab somebody

8:08

and get out there and may be

8:10

given some advice or you know we

8:13

see what's going on because ultimately is

8:15

take was in. It was rightfully so

8:17

that all that was com in our

8:20

direction at some point and so he

8:22

wanted to get in front of any

8:24

potential problems. So my partner at that

8:26

moment was out office tied up on

8:29

something else and. So I went over

8:31

there on my way. I phoned

8:33

into the dispatch center and found

8:35

out that it was not a

8:37

child and that was actually some

8:39

kind of seen that was at

8:41

a home. So I went there

8:43

and when I got there it

8:45

was. I'm a very interesting. Situation.

8:49

Time. While is here

8:51

it's monitoring pass pass

8:53

for other agencies. And some

8:55

use it as it all that

8:58

go have a let let let

9:00

me just as so. John at

9:02

this time is working for the

9:04

Da's office and so he says

9:06

assigned to the homicide unit within

9:08

the Da's office which the investigators

9:10

at that point often are after

9:12

the case after somebody is arrested

9:14

in in the prosecutor decides to

9:16

charges then the Da investigators kind

9:18

of. so the case ups. But

9:20

the unusual thing particularly the Chief

9:23

of investigations that are Da's office.

9:25

Had as we were very active

9:27

on the front end and helping

9:29

agency's out with brand new homicides.

9:31

And in part it's because we

9:33

had somebody like John available who

9:36

had a lot more expertise said

9:38

many of the investigators elsewhere in

9:40

the county saudi have a small

9:42

agency like the one in this

9:44

case who's investigators were relatively inexperienced

9:46

and they catch a major homicide

9:49

seen the best people to roll

9:51

out, or John and his partner

9:53

or six percent that. Ball So when

9:55

I got on seen this was at a home

9:57

in there was no be I owe their. Nobody

10:00

to contact, there was no real command staff

10:02

presents and I could go and talk do

10:04

and as figure out who was gonna run

10:06

in the show. Song with the

10:09

pl. Up Bob Public Information officer. It.

10:11

Was a very chaotic scene. There was a

10:13

lot of personnel, lot of. Other

10:15

assisting agencies present: The sheriff's office was

10:18

there, the highway patrol was there. It

10:20

was that big of a scene in

10:22

that kind of unusual situation. And that's

10:24

also kind of indicative of how small

10:27

the agency was. This had caught. This

10:29

was very unfortunate for them because going

10:31

to eat up resources really quickly. So.

10:35

When I got there, I recognize one

10:37

of the detectors from the agency that

10:39

had jurisdiction. As said somebody said it's

10:41

had some to do with a kid.

10:43

this is not. Looks like maybe some

10:45

kind a home invasion And then he

10:48

added i think we may have somebody

10:50

detained. They may be taken somebody into

10:52

custody block over from where I was.

10:55

As. It can. You give me a

10:57

rundown on the case and he said

10:59

jaegers. This is what we know so

11:01

far. so this is a very quiet

11:04

bedroom community. Most of the people who

11:06

live in this area commute to San

11:08

Francisco other jobs during the day it

11:10

must. The houses are and dear sometimes

11:13

if there's you know a stay at

11:15

home, mom or dad there's one adult

11:17

home and so. In the late

11:19

afternoon probably an hour and a half

11:21

earlier than some time I got there

11:23

are there was a neighbor who was

11:25

home. And. He actually called Nine

11:28

One One and what he said to

11:30

the Nine One One operator was that

11:32

he had been home and one of

11:34

his windows was open. Any heard the

11:36

best the he could describe was a

11:38

commotion nearby so he went to the

11:40

window and he kind of listened and

11:42

to continue to hear this commotion there

11:44

were male voices but he really couldn't

11:47

understand was being said but it's he

11:49

said. The tenor of it was that

11:51

there was some kind of confrontation going

11:53

on so see went outside and he

11:55

actually went out. Around the corner of

11:57

his house and peaked into this court that

11:59

was near his home and he saw his

12:02

neighbor Leroy, who he knew very well. What's.

12:04

This witnesses mon. San And

12:07

so Leroy was on his own

12:09

driveway and there was another male.

12:11

A black male standing over him

12:13

straddling him. Samsung Leroy was on

12:16

a slumped against the tire of

12:18

his truck. The blackmail was standing

12:20

straddling the front of them. There

12:22

was no confrontation going on when

12:25

Sam saw them but he he

12:27

said he just looked odd So

12:29

he shouted at both of I'm

12:31

and said hey what's going on

12:34

over there. Leroy.

12:36

Didn't respond which he said was very

12:38

unusual because he did know each other

12:40

and he said the second male. Looked.

12:43

Over at him. And. Said

12:45

hey, we're just work and now we're gonna go

12:47

and work out. And. Sam

12:50

knew that that was not the

12:52

case so he actually said he got

12:54

scared in so he retreated into his

12:56

own home and called Nine One

12:58

One and said. This. Is exactly

13:00

what I see. I think I need

13:03

the police. Sam's a good witness. That

13:05

he didn't just leave him alone is

13:07

like out, hey, that doesn't seem right.

13:10

I'm calling the police. They can handle

13:12

this. Yep, and he actually is instrumental

13:14

in solving this case. So Sam runs

13:16

back inside. Dolls the phone. Relates.

13:19

To the dispatcher in the first

13:21

to patrol units get on seen

13:23

now. They. Pull up the Sam's

13:25

house which is within two hundred

13:27

fifty feet of the house where

13:29

Leroy lives and they get out

13:31

of their cars. A talk quickly

13:34

to Sam Sam reiterate what he's

13:36

already told. Dispatch said officers walk

13:38

across the street. When. They

13:40

get to the front of the

13:42

house where this incident occur were

13:44

Sam sees Leroy sitting on the

13:46

driveway with this unidentified male standing

13:48

over how silly right wrestling Leroy

13:50

his late fifties So they get

13:52

over to that house to be

13:54

Rice house and one of the

13:56

exams it was the garage door

13:58

had been a. When they

14:01

get under the driveway they see

14:03

that the garage doors now down

14:05

and it's quiet and so they

14:08

look on to the ground. There's

14:10

a pool of blood next to

14:12

where Leroy was supposed to have

14:14

been sitting and is a smear

14:17

mark that disappears under the now

14:19

closed garage door. So.

14:38

Again, it's a small agency so they

14:40

call for some assistance to make entry

14:43

into the Rice House. And so they

14:45

moved to the side of a house

14:47

where the front door as and now

14:49

they see what appears to be a

14:52

handgun laying on the walkway and the

14:54

front door is standing open to the

14:56

house and it's all quiet. They.

14:59

Run some plates license plates on some

15:01

vehicles the authors do and there is

15:03

a car parked in front of the

15:05

house that comes back to a female

15:08

name and they're actually able to ask

15:10

Sam. Do. You know this name

15:12

and he says yes, that's Leroy, his

15:14

girlfriend the girlfriend's name is Sue. So.

15:18

Suis also late fifties and Sue and

15:20

Leroy essentially live in this house together.

15:22

She has wrong place, but she's back

15:24

and forth quite a bit so the

15:27

establish who lives there, there's no one

15:29

around, there's absolutely no indication that there's

15:31

anybody in the house or at home.

15:34

Takes a little while for the assistance

15:36

get there, but they get enough extra

15:38

assistance and they make entry into the

15:40

house. one of the lucky faces. They

15:43

have fire and ambulance standby stage right

15:45

up the street, so Fire and Ambulance

15:47

has. Staged a very short distance

15:49

away they make entry into the

15:51

house and this is what they

15:53

see. They make the first corner

15:56

and of hallway and they see

15:58

a female laying on the. Or

16:00

she is bound with zip

16:02

ties hands behind her back

16:05

she has a plastic bag

16:07

around her face and see

16:09

appears to be deceased. So.

16:13

They call the metics up and they move

16:15

pastor and going to clear the rest of

16:17

the house. Rest of the house is empty.

16:20

They go into the garage and

16:22

in the garage they find Leroy.

16:24

Leroy. As a substantial head

16:27

wound that's bleeding and he also

16:29

has his hands behind. behind his

16:31

back was zip ties and he

16:33

has a plastic bag over his

16:35

head. So. They get

16:37

resources in medical aid comes in.

16:40

They. Actually cut the bag

16:42

off of Sue? And

16:45

see spontaneously starts to bury. So.

16:48

She was obviously moving some air

16:50

past the plastic bag. Leroy.

16:52

Was not as lucky and Leroy was

16:54

pronounced deceased at the scene. So.

16:58

They start getting some neighborhood chances

17:00

are starting to work there. Seem

17:02

like anybody woods. They transport Sue

17:04

to the hospital. Initially, she was

17:07

not expected to survive. Miraculously she

17:09

does survive. So they're working this

17:11

scene. They're trying to find some

17:13

witnesses. They have the area cordoned

17:16

and in that court and happens

17:18

to be a sheriff's deputy. The

17:20

deputy is a field training officer

17:22

and he has a trainee with

17:25

him and so they are on

17:27

a particular post. Blocking the street.

17:29

Now one of the things that

17:31

the deputy had noticed was against

17:33

Leroy House. The side sense to

17:35

Leroy House was a bicycle in.

17:37

the bicycle was parked in the

17:39

bushes and a leaning against the

17:41

fence. Not all that unusual in

17:43

that neighborhood of the everything's that

17:45

pristine there. But he notices that

17:47

bicycle in. He makes a note

17:49

to himself that he's gonna let

17:51

detectives now. When he debriefs the

17:53

investigators that come out there, he's

17:56

gonna know to them. Hey the.

17:58

Bike is there and or of as easy do it. If

18:00

we could have nothing to do with it, For the

18:02

deputy. Decides. He's gonna tell

18:04

everybody he should take notice that bicycle.

18:07

Correct. So as

18:09

the deputy is sitting there and he's

18:11

writing some notes and he's probably review

18:13

in some reports because he has now

18:15

turned a responsibility to this. He just

18:18

came there as assistance for meeting in

18:20

the crime scene see Sears initially and

18:22

then sees his trainee talking to someone

18:24

and he looks up any second was

18:26

good talking to and so a deputy

18:29

season talk and he realizes it's a

18:31

black male. Now the only description they

18:33

had of anybody involved in this was

18:35

just a very generalized description of a

18:37

black. Male and so the deputy gets

18:40

out of his car and he walks

18:42

up because he's responsible for the trainee.

18:44

He walks up to the trainee and

18:46

they individually talking to. And

18:49

he says what's going on And so

18:51

the trainee. May. Be doesn't

18:53

really understand the significance of what's

18:55

being said any says this guy

18:57

right here. Mark Marks as he

19:00

was up here earlier riding his

19:02

bike and he crashed his bike.

19:04

that's why he's got some blood

19:06

on his pants in his hands

19:08

and see. Left his bike to

19:10

go look for some water out,

19:12

washed the blood off and he

19:14

just wants permission to grab his

19:16

bicycle. And so the

19:19

asks yells at. Me: Hang

19:21

on a second here, I'm on the sorry

19:23

yeah no problem man we we get that

19:25

bike for your butts. Can you hang on

19:27

one sec? We had little incident here stolen

19:29

and make sure it's okay. Did you know?

19:31

Let that by Go. How. Far

19:33

away as a deputy and. Recruit

19:36

Friendly Right House. Probably. Two

19:38

hundred feet. Ah, Okay, Said

19:40

block away their one street over kind of max

19:43

but you can see the bicycle any as

19:45

his patrol car park the of yo crime scene

19:47

tape up, he's got the overheads on his police

19:49

guard or nice to control my foot traffic

19:51

vehicle traffic into the area. So. The

19:53

sheriff's deputy. He's aware that there

19:55

was a witness, so he grabs

19:57

one of the other officers. It's.

20:00

There and said hey, can we find

20:02

this witness Let's get him out here

20:04

and do or infield show up and

20:06

see if he recognizes this individual. So

20:08

they do. On the Retina Farm

20:10

who called Nine One One. The.

20:13

They. Go back and they find Sam and

20:15

Sam comes walking out of his house

20:17

with a detective. The detective has given

20:20

him an infield, show up, admonishment meetings

20:22

tells him hey, this could be nothing

20:24

Just tell us if you recognize this

20:26

guy. Just by the fact that haven't

20:28

stopped does not mean that we think

20:30

he has any involvement in us. So

20:32

Sam comes out with the detectives and

20:35

I don't think Sam.all the way down

20:37

to the end of a walkway before

20:39

Sam looked up the street and said.

20:41

That's. The guy. That's the guy that

20:44

was stand and over Leroy in the

20:46

driveway. A far as I

20:48

can unsealed shell out this it

20:50

that riskier than asking the witness

20:52

to identify sign from a photo

20:54

lineup last. Ride and you have to

20:56

be cautious with those just because when a

20:59

police officer standing there with somebody even of

21:01

the you know and and in this particular

21:03

case they weren't handcuffed him in, Mark was

21:05

not. Handcuffed. It

21:08

can be very suggestive. Yeah to be very careful

21:10

because been detained by the police might lead a

21:12

witness to go. Yeah, I think that's the guy

21:14

must be does the cops him stocks. Plenty.

21:17

Of ideas have been thrown out

21:19

because of improperly performing these field

21:21

so ups or line those types

21:23

of things. John's exactly right. There's

21:25

a lot riding on these show

21:27

ops and you don't wanna screw

21:30

them up. We had rules against

21:32

bringing a suspect to a victim.

21:34

You going to bring the victim

21:36

to the suspect. That way you're

21:38

not showing that. Years transporting someone

21:40

in handcuffs and a police car

21:42

like. there's all kinds of rules

21:45

about this right is so. Inherently

21:47

suggestive sell because it's cheaper

21:49

My know that there was

21:51

probably plenty of probable cause,

21:53

resume suspicion to detain markets

21:55

even take him into custody.

21:57

At that point, she has.

22:00

Lot on has blood on his hands

22:02

as blood on his pants and there

22:04

don't seem to be any corresponding injuries.

22:06

He says he fell off his bicycle

22:08

but there's no injury that would lead

22:10

any be believe that's where the blood

22:13

originates from so it's a pretty unusual

22:15

circumstance have happened and that idea pretty

22:17

good too because. Sam. Your

22:19

witness here. He's not

22:21

even basically face to face with market

22:23

this point, he takes a few steps

22:25

down the block and says, that's him.

22:28

I mean that's pretty compelling identification right

22:30

there. right? John: How old

22:32

is Mark? Twenty Seven. Ah

22:34

so he's much younger than

22:36

me. Ryan Sale Yeah so

22:38

I'm curious as Mark has

22:41

blood on his clothes but

22:43

he has no visible injuries

22:45

himself as bike is right

22:47

outside the house where and

22:49

murder and attempted murder have

22:51

occurred. What's his explanation for

22:53

the as details? So there

22:56

was some blood on his shoes as

22:58

well. I'm in. Mark talked about how

23:00

he had walked across some lawns and

23:02

that potentially the blood my have been

23:05

in the lawn and he just got

23:07

it on his shoes and clothing and

23:09

then the other one was. If Dna

23:12

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23:14

somebody had planted the Dna on his

23:16

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me just recap. our suspect

28:23

Mark is covered in blood

28:25

and a block away from

28:27

the scene of the crime

28:29

where he's left his bicycle.

28:32

There are two witnesses in

28:34

the next. We have Leroy,

28:36

the neighbors Sam who saw

28:38

Mark standing over Leroy slumped

28:40

over in the driveway, and

28:42

there's Sioux who was left

28:45

for dead by her attacker

28:47

but miraculously survived. Speaking as

28:49

good to have any permanent

28:51

physical injuries. So. Sue

28:54

has no daughter is A as

28:56

a result of what happened

28:58

to her. Other than obviously she's

29:01

traumatized by loss for boyfriends, but

29:03

she has no memory of

29:05

the incident she was hypoxic. Which

29:07

is a lack of oxygen. Correct, Yeah,

29:09

and it robbed her of that

29:11

short term memory of what happened.

29:13

But it appears that when we

29:15

talked to see she does have

29:18

memory of what she was doing

29:20

that day and when investigators talk

29:22

to her she said she was

29:24

home with Leroy. Leroy went to

29:26

the grocery store. last thing she

29:28

remembers was she was making a

29:30

decision to go outside work in

29:32

the yard and she was gonna

29:34

do some mob gardening and Ned

29:36

flower bed right next to the

29:38

front door. The. House or what

29:40

it appears happened is. We.

29:42

Have evidence to suggest that marked as

29:44

I took the bus from his home

29:47

in a nearby town with his bicycle,

29:49

took it to Leroy town and and

29:51

started riding through the hills. It's a

29:54

hilly terrain, it's you know, Obviously it's

29:56

a residential area, but he was riding

29:58

all around those neighbors. Is there was

30:00

a witness it was located later on

30:03

who said that she'd gotten home with

30:05

her grandchildren she'd pick them up from

30:07

school and she was home alone with

30:09

his little kids and she noticed Mark

30:11

parked across the street at the curbs.

30:14

Watching her and said made her feel

30:16

very uneasy and she went the house

30:18

and nothing further happened but I'm sure

30:20

he was probably sizing her up in.

30:24

Was encounter the same type situation?

30:26

She was home by herself. Mark

30:28

probably moved on from where. He

30:30

saw the grandmother and then

30:32

found this second location where

30:35

he saw Sue. In.

30:37

The front yard actually working and

30:39

he appears that he blitz creatures

30:41

that gun sued Talked about Enron

30:43

she said you know my boyfriend

30:45

doesn't have a handgun in in

30:48

in that be an airsoft pistol

30:50

and the gun was dropped potentially

30:52

when Mark fled the house to

30:54

go engage Leroy so he was

30:56

probably in the house was sui

30:58

takes her into the house. Gets.

31:00

Are under control. She's very slight

31:03

woman, very small in stature see

31:05

zip ties her, puts the plastic

31:07

over her head and then. What's.

31:10

Also found is a condom.

31:12

Open. But unused. so there

31:15

was maybe potential there that he

31:17

was playing a sexual assault. So

31:19

marks there with Sue inside the

31:21

house, just inside the front door,

31:23

in the entry hall way she

31:25

has no memory of. it's the

31:27

when he engages her. He probably

31:29

has the airsoft pistol and I

31:31

think. Mirror. I came home

31:33

from the grocery store and opened

31:35

the bras to work to come

31:37

inside pot the garage door with

31:39

the garage door opener i think

31:41

Mark Sears that garage door open

31:43

and thanks o. Somebody. Common

31:46

and Leroy coming home is this

31:48

unexpected dynamic aspect that Mark couldn't

31:50

account for. So he's a good.

31:52

He's home with the female victim,

31:55

Sue, and is going to take

31:57

his time with her. Looks like

31:59

that. The sexual for component and then

32:01

Leroy comes home and now all of

32:03

sudden the sit as hit the fan

32:05

for Mark and he asked a think

32:08

on the fly. Yes, so Mark abandoned

32:10

Sue. She's under control. She's zip tied

32:12

in immobile. she may be unconscious. Step

32:14

point. Mark. Goes out the front

32:16

door ab he thought this airsoft because

32:18

those not going to work against this

32:20

grown man that's in the driveway, I'm

32:23

gonna need something more than that. Drop

32:25

the gun. Picks up a

32:27

rock. And engages Leroy in

32:29

the driveway and smashes his head

32:31

with that rock. Much. Seems

32:33

far as I on older women

32:35

like this grandmother is that the

32:37

after her brain So then a

32:39

movie season see years older women

32:41

won't site hard. Possibly.

32:44

I'm definitely not the psychiatrists psychologists

32:46

by Mark was raised by his

32:48

grandmother. We find out later on

32:50

and she had since passed away.

32:52

We always had some questions about

32:54

what the nature of that death

32:56

was, but deaths we have the

32:58

bandwidth to get into. That was

33:00

several years earlier. So the injuries

33:02

that Sue sustained was it just

33:04

she was starved of oxygen or

33:06

did he receive any stab wounds

33:08

are strangulation. Know strangulation and know

33:10

stab wounds and nothing would even

33:12

be. A you know ultimately will

33:14

be cancer, a traumatic injury. Him it was

33:17

visible but it was or traumatic injury I

33:19

think enough to get are under control. What

33:21

she was suffering from a hospital as hypoxia.

33:24

So. Now he has as

33:26

Sheriff's Deputy editor said recruit having

33:28

encountered Mark on the sidewalk mark

33:31

once he gets his bike back

33:33

but he also has blood all

33:35

over and. says.

33:37

That is you probable cause to

33:40

detain him and what happens after

33:42

that had a you start to

33:44

gather your evidence. So I have

33:46

to be cautious in these situations because I don't

33:48

want to be that guy. I don't want to

33:51

be the guy the comes in and takes over.

33:56

But i i have a certain way that

33:58

at attack that scene and just. Prioritize

34:00

things that need to get done and certainly

34:02

the physical evidence on Mark. He needs to

34:04

be arrested. Skis already talking about ways to

34:07

excuse the presence of the blood so I

34:09

think we're past the hey, would you mind

34:11

coming out of the station answering some questions?

34:13

Although that would be my ideal situation. you

34:15

know? Hey Mark, this is a weird situation.

34:18

We have your say, we can figure this

34:20

out. We just get you down to the

34:22

station and see if he's willing to do

34:24

that. Is much better to have him go

34:26

voluntarily. But by the time I got there

34:29

he already been arrested. I think when

34:31

Sam comes outside says that's the guy

34:33

I think that next sound you hear

34:35

is the clicking of handcuffs. They put

34:37

handcuffs on him pretty quick. Unmarked on

34:39

March Yes. So doctors that were there

34:42

the a miscarriage that were there with

34:44

Mark. They did great job of she's

34:46

in handcuffs. They bagged his hands to

34:48

preserve the blood that was on his

34:50

hands size clothing. so skinny, pretty tough

34:52

for him to do much about that's

34:55

and they transported him down to the

34:57

local police department. A chance to

34:59

to be clear. Landmarks.

35:01

Is taking banking station? Nobody knows.

35:04

Yeah, that seems awfully gonna. Surmounts

35:06

correct. Yeah, so we potentially have

35:08

a double homicide here. The. Information

35:11

the get. Initially it changes so much

35:13

because you're get little bits and pieces

35:15

and people mischaracterize what's going on. Major

35:17

seems like that can be kind of

35:19

chaotic. My priority at that point was

35:21

make sure that the scene was secure

35:23

in a looked like they were doing

35:25

a pretty good job of that. So

35:27

I said i want to go where

35:29

Marquess So. Went. Down to the

35:31

police station and talk to the lead investigator

35:34

and I said you know we probably need

35:36

to get a game plan together here and

35:38

find out a little bit about who this

35:41

guy is This guy Mark Yes Mark, we

35:43

need to find out where he comes from,

35:45

Worse, his house, where to see live in.

35:47

Make sure that this wasn't the culmination of

35:50

you know, him killing everybody at his house

35:52

Billie investigate says was gonna take a while

35:54

to write out a warrants for and I

35:57

said we're we're not going awry in a

35:59

war. we're gonna go break the door down

36:01

and make sure there's no prisoners and then

36:04

we'll back out and will write out a

36:06

search warrant to go back in. but we

36:08

have an exit see right now to see

36:10

what this is all about. So we figured

36:13

out who's Mark was relatively quickly figured out

36:15

where he was living. At my

36:17

say, I live with somebody, at

36:19

least have that much information. He

36:21

was less than forthcoming about what's

36:24

his situation was he did for

36:26

as an address and we are

36:28

able to confirm that that address

36:30

was his current address based on

36:33

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36:35

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36:37

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40:16

John when you go to Marks neighborhood? What's

40:18

it like? It was housing

40:20

that was not only for people who

40:22

had a tough time affording housing, but

40:24

also for people who may be had

40:26

developmental disabilities. So was kind of a

40:29

mixture. This house where Mark sad I

40:31

would describe it as a large apartment

40:33

complex, right? Yeah, that's exactly what was.

40:36

Oh are you are there to. I

40:38

don't even remember how I got involved in

40:40

this case. All I know is is either

40:42

John called me up where the prosecutor called

40:44

me a i was speed dialing you when

40:46

I was driving to Marks Home where. Can.

40:48

I ask you one more question of

40:51

that this exigency about getting into Max

40:53

House Sheriff cell east and lying to

40:55

guys he doesn't indicate he lives with

40:57

anyone who do have one dead body

40:59

and see you are not sure she's

41:01

gonna survive as. Just.

41:04

Sort as as allay percent legally. That's

41:07

enough for you to say I don't

41:09

need a search warrant right out of

41:11

the gate. I can get into Marks

41:13

House because it's very possible other people

41:15

are in danger. Is. Interesting the

41:18

you ask that because there are so many

41:20

layers to that but you're absolutely right. So

41:22

we would go there and we wouldn't break

41:24

the door down out the gate. What we

41:27

would do is knock first and see if

41:29

anybody was home and then explained as gonna

41:31

but we are Ultimately we're going in to

41:33

make sure that there's no one in there

41:36

and distress. But also one of the things

41:38

as the insisting we the courts look at

41:40

this as if you believe there's and exit

41:42

as he there and you can articulate and

41:45

I think we easily can is a violent

41:47

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41:49

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41:52

as Marx apartments and so we if we

41:54

go there and we believe there's an agency

41:56

we actually have to act on that in

41:58

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42:00

don't act on it a timely manner, The.

42:03

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42:05

It was that importance And we agree

42:07

that looked like it was that important

42:09

that you could go in there without

42:11

a search warrant. And that's a big

42:13

deal. I mean you're you're violating the

42:15

sanctity of somebodies home without of magistrates

42:18

authorization, but you need some act on

42:20

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42:22

you don't act on it, think it's

42:24

worth your own argument saying if it's

42:26

that important, why didn't you go there

42:28

right away. Yardley. The The important

42:30

thing here is you are going in looking

42:32

for victims. You're not going and looking for

42:34

evidence. There's quite a difference. So once you

42:37

clear that apartment, when she clear Marks apartment

42:39

and you don't find any other victims, then

42:41

you back out. and now you're at a

42:43

search warrant or you try to get a

42:45

written consent form from Mark. Cyclists

42:48

in the desert great Really appreciate

42:50

that. Okay, so.

42:53

John. Now your Marks Apartment

42:55

and I'm assuming he's gotten

42:57

inside. Yes, Nobody was

42:59

home so we're forcing entry when in

43:01

and cleared. It is relatively small place,

43:04

so easily cleared quickly and again I

43:06

was a great point or not in

43:08

their opening drawers and doing those kinds

43:10

of things because you know you can

43:13

find victims in the doors. but whatever

43:15

you see while you're in there, you

43:17

can also use. To. Further, the

43:19

probable cause statement later, right? A warrant

43:21

to go in there and now do

43:23

a thorough search of itself. You see

43:25

a handgun and drugs or whatever on

43:27

the counter and there is always you

43:29

didn't find it my opening doors and

43:32

gone places where you wouldn't typically expect

43:34

to find a victim. That's all. Part

43:36

and parcel of interstate. More probable cause

43:39

to further your argument to the magistrate

43:41

that's want to go inside. As.

43:43

A Sergeant, Especially patrol sergeant. You get

43:45

exposure to these types of exigent calls

43:48

where you you have to make a

43:50

decision on whether or not were taken

43:52

in the store or not. Send it

43:55

to be for a welfare check, you

43:57

know, a suicidal subject, whatever it is,

43:59

but. I've been on a few of

44:01

those where he he has to kind

44:03

of train your folks who haven't been

44:05

on a lot of those because when

44:07

they go in and they start pulling

44:09

open drawers and you're like no, no,

44:12

no, don't fuck this up for all

44:14

the other cops on the planet we

44:16

are in here, you have to start

44:18

sinking in the realm of where can

44:20

I hide a body and that's the

44:22

container. You can get into anything that

44:24

you couldn't hide a body and you

44:26

can't get into that container to or

44:28

whatever. Fridge? maybe, but probably not. The

44:30

freezer. you know I'm talking about

44:32

the icebox and copier for it's

44:34

not the freezer and the case

44:36

we cover caught and below where

44:39

we had to dead bodies and

44:41

a big chest freezer. But really

44:43

you have to be very very

44:45

responsible with. Those. Types

44:47

of forced entry that we're going in

44:49

we're looking for People were not looking

44:52

for evidence but everything in plain view

44:54

is fair game. but I don't want

44:56

you digging around his house to be

44:58

above board or else we lose this

45:00

the courts taken away. I think

45:02

that's really good. Distinction is that

45:05

you guys made because certainly sitting

45:07

on the science a table I

45:09

don't see that which has in

45:11

fact as nuances south. Appreciate

45:13

that. Sir. John when you're

45:15

in the apartments Steve signed any evidence

45:18

to the neighbors come over and go

45:20

hey what do you guys doing Year

45:22

marks not home but during his place.

45:24

Why remember distinctly it going fall Because

45:27

I remember talking to him as we

45:29

walked in. Once we made entry in

45:31

nature there were no victims their I

45:34

stood for a minute, looked around and

45:36

then we backed out and I said

45:38

if you were writing a story about

45:40

you know some kind of serial murderer

45:43

and what you might find his home.

45:45

What I saw in there would at

45:47

least scratches the surface and be the

45:50

kinds of things I would expect to

45:52

see and a Hollywood movie. There are.

45:54

Tinfoil hats and why years there

45:57

are geared to be like stolen?

45:59

This. Tv network and Ten is

46:01

inside the apartment pointing up at the

46:04

sky. and ah, there was definitely some

46:06

bizarro world stuff inside the apartment. You

46:08

know, God knows what we're going. Actually

46:10

fine. We get in there and start

46:13

looking around. So I'm actually I'm sitting

46:15

in my car and a phone that

46:17

seats your. He's been texting me, going

46:19

any status, Any status I haven't talked

46:22

to him say still thinks it's something

46:24

about a kid and apart and I'm

46:26

talking to the chief bringing him up

46:29

to speed. And a complex obviously

46:31

either. was a pretty good size police presence

46:33

there and as I'm sitting there this guy

46:35

walks up to my open window. you can

46:37

see his comment like standing there waiting is

46:39

a he wants to talk and I said

46:42

you know chief give me a few minutes

46:44

and I'll call you back as their lot

46:46

of people around here so I have the

46:48

phone issues' I hope I go Hayek I

46:50

help yes and he walks up and he

46:52

goes yang as I just curious you know

46:54

course the Stand or what's going on in

46:57

In I so we're investigating sometimes it's happened

46:59

earlier Tonight uses. Doesn't have anything to do

47:01

with that thing happens the other adjoining

47:03

town. it's on the news. he's. Referring

47:05

to Iran says attack. Yes

47:07

and I see yeah my, we don't really

47:10

know right now and so he said okay

47:12

in ios will damn sorted by the Us

47:14

and on. Upon the turns around and it

47:16

was like it was scripted. he turns around

47:19

and he takes about three steps away and

47:21

then he stops and he turns around. He

47:23

says i don't know if this is important

47:25

but is this anything to do with the

47:28

lady who died in there three days ago?

47:30

She's pointing at a door that has nothing

47:32

to do with where we are. Oh.

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48:04

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48:13

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