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A Dumb Ted Bundy - Conway, South Carolina

Released Thursday, 30th June 2022
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A Dumb Ted Bundy - Conway, South Carolina

A Dumb Ted Bundy - Conway, South Carolina

A Dumb Ted Bundy - Conway, South Carolina

A Dumb Ted Bundy - Conway, South Carolina

Thursday, 30th June 2022
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which 1980s bad boy made a

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daring escape from prison and later had his freedom

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to go she ate it by a former beatle this

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is just one of the questions that gets answered on the

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this week in

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conway, south carolina, a brutally

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murdered teenager prompts a visit from an fbi

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profiler and leads police to investigate the

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whole time when the answer was right

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there all welcome to

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smalltown murder

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oh everybody and welcome back to small

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oh yea and be jimmy yeah indeed

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my name is james patrick gallow me or of my co host

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i'm jimmy westman bird you

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bundy fortunately the shows are one thousand

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percent real there's nothing embellish for comedic

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effect anything crazy like that it

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is just a wild story

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of going find the weird stuff in it to talk about

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our yeah we go out of our way not to

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make fun of the victim or

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the victim's family why james

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because we're ass holes ah

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but we're not scumbags an hour

4:21

south that sounds good to you

4:23

i think it's going to be a wild crazy show

4:25

and dot there's plenty to make fun of

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around dead people that are hard for dead people

4:29

trust me and has were going to do all

4:31

that south ah if you think true crime and

4:33

comedy should never go together maybe it's not

4:35

for you but it might be might

4:37

be know what you think so check it out

4:39

but no complain and afterwards it's all we got the

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sites that said i think ascend

4:43

sit back we're the ones

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wherever you are enduring the

4:47

exercise things in your car

4:50

so maybe not enough to public

4:52

a place but other than that

4:53

sit back and shouts son

4:56

i mean

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, are the

5:01

newness jimmy not we go let's

5:03

go on a trip right we

5:05

are going to south carolina of

5:07

area like thus been awhile since we've been

5:09

there i've the south carolina

5:12

this is conway south carolina

5:14

i am rather than it already it's a north

5:16

eastern south carolina which is

5:18

stream south carolina was confused

5:20

, i was gonna say south carolina such

5:23

southern state that's how it feels

5:25

like it shouldn't even have northeastern part of

5:27

the state are you notice her since it's

5:29

really really difficult

5:31

i a self care fashion designer

5:33

that that's our that's as

5:36

we have we just missing west was yeah how left

5:38

out so this is third

5:40

about half hour to myrtle beach south

5:43

light my dad lived down there till couple

5:45

years ago in this general vicinity

5:47

here and half hour myrtle beach about

5:49

two hours to charleston south carolina

5:52

three hours thirty five minutes to

5:54

mode doc south carolina which was

5:57

our last south carolina episode which was

5:59

murder it's scary bridge tomorrow i'm reading

6:01

regimens yeah really creepy episode

6:04

two twenty eight so it's been while so

6:06

here we go back and back in town everybody

6:08

and back in state anyway now this

6:11

is in ah hori or

6:13

henri county i'm not sure how

6:15

it's h l like robert ory let

6:17

that they pronounce they eighteen what

6:19

so i'm not sure it might

6:21

be hori counterpart you know what i mean to be

6:23

weird they didn't pronounce it here but as a

6:25

brass and what south's who knows

6:28

area code eight four three since

6:31

it's it's it's it's history

6:33

of this town's conway is

6:35

one the oldest towns in south carolina

6:37

actual very historic so

6:39

henri county was created in a t no

6:41

one and they have in court

6:43

house and all that and then they changed

6:45

kingston now to conway

6:47

bara which is really

6:50

won that is to i as

6:52

as an eighteen eighty three or the a

6:54

team or mr twenty one before

6:56

can imagine thousand town named after

6:58

ty sweaty in atlanta

7:04

the on a thing as

7:06

, long as

7:09

townsville lovely

7:12

yeah alright ,

7:15

he's so good it conway twitty

7:17

his hair is just wonderful amazing seven

7:19

and faith jesus chest hair

7:21

his his booze face it's awesome

7:23

yeah everything or nipples up is not

7:26

good on that may know it's the i don't

7:28

have nipples down for all has a much better jimmy

7:30

i i like i as

7:32

cox impressive but above that i don't

7:34

see anything positive about them have know that i've

7:36

seen conway twitty nipples down

7:38

ever that's what i mean dunno has always

7:40

shown for it was just a yeah they focus

7:42

nipples up that's not positive that's because

7:45

it's balls or out jimmy conway

7:47

twitty is known for performing balls out

7:49

balls the time when they say but his performances

7:51

balls out they literally yeah

7:53

literally mean literally balls out and then people

7:55

took it and ran with it and a different direction yeah

7:59

that's not it doesn't it given all you got

8:01

because he's singing his ass off the hook

8:03

up there so i found was

8:05

changed though this was and i honor of

8:07

gen robert conway uh-huh and

8:10

then they changed it just conway and eighteen

8:12

eighty three because they were like this is too long why are

8:14

putting [unk] bharat on it for real that's

8:16

too much man so reviews of this

8:18

town their their varying here one

8:20

of them's amazing by the way if you incredible

8:22

a five stars conway's

8:25

very laid back country town i've

8:27

lived here for about fifteen years now everybody

8:30

knows everyone in this little town and you cannot

8:32

go to the grocery store without seeing someone you

8:34

know my nightmare

8:36

my become close with very many people

8:39

and they become more like family

8:41

very many a very many people

8:43

just same many many a

8:45

four stars i love the history

8:47

associated with downtown conway especially

8:50

the architecture on the buildings i liked

8:52

ability to find places easily along

8:54

the roads file of these

8:56

other towns are hiding everything you

8:58

, drive down the road you don't see nothing it's all in

9:02

okay name's got side

9:04

streets hiding [unk] mcdonald oh no

9:06

mcdonald no no can find a mcdonalds when you need

9:08

one i would definitely like to

9:10

be able to walk around outside with sometimes

9:13

i am scared due the amount of homeless

9:15

or just mug looking people

9:17

why and mug looking don't know what that

9:20

s but i must be a local term

9:22

i'm not sure the , watch out

9:24

for the mug logging everyone everyone

9:26

that it's term mother think that it's a

9:28

mug sizes and description is that

9:30

it may have it's mug a hyphen looking

9:32

to like it's one word mclaughlin like

9:34

in i mean it's out said oh

9:37

noes mugs other violence that isn't

9:39

that mclaughlin i'm not

9:41

sure everyone out there if you know what a mug looking

9:43

person as if that's local term tweeted

9:46

at small town murder or you know and i said

9:48

is there that's when i will not do got that

9:50

murder small on twitter salsa murder on instagram

9:53

please our we don't know what the hell's going on

9:55

success four stars the

9:57

things that i liked about the little

9:59

town called the way was that everything

10:01

you needed was right in front of you and you kind

10:03

a new who everyone was didn't have to

10:05

wonder about he slashed see because

10:08

either you grew up with them are you are related

10:10

to them like that

10:12

and are you will have to wonder about them because you know you

10:14

know some depth jets here's

10:16

three stars this is hilarious

10:19

this is a review by the way on attack

10:21

on a website about the town nothing

10:24

to do with any businesses that this person i've

10:26

got three stars rotella

10:28

pizza and pasta this is as a review

10:30

of a little as i , from a

10:32

very italian background i grew up

10:34

in north and the boston where we have world class

10:36

italian cuisine and i have two

10:38

full blooded italian grandmother's it taught me

10:40

everything about cook and so i

10:43

would say i know really good italian

10:45

food and the food at wrote tallies

10:47

is matt to the

10:51

food is good but not good but and it's

10:53

really hit or miss their some food it's

10:55

outstanding but other times it's bland

10:57

and that we're paying price their first

11:00

fried calamari a really bad insists

11:03

surrealist a really bad

11:05

i like the way for the fried calamari are

11:07

really bad it's frozen in

11:09

that well bred as in season yeah

11:12

the chicken broccoli zt is really

11:14

inconsistent know you never

11:16

know it's gonna get an accident when i was consistent

11:18

sick but sometimes it's super thick and

11:20

creamy and flavorful and sometimes the chicken

11:23

is dry wood know sauce just an oily past

11:25

the chicken mess that's his exact words

11:27

south i would i was so is there

11:29

when he got that this and i want compare

11:32

his reaction to bad foods overreacted

11:34

of that i'd review

11:36

it afterwards it feel like he might have been worse

11:39

but i won't have he there when i'm gonna see

11:41

his face to see thousand say

11:43

is that is that thirty minutes

11:46

possible her now real ring

11:48

promos and aadmi party ability

11:51

no no no no is

11:53

so planning that sarah saver

11:55

thing the world z thing feel like you guys

11:57

give me gross who just as a me

12:00

that it's

12:02

plausible

12:04

the wrinkle know that z is the

12:06

greatest thing on our view

12:09

, those it is you have where

12:11

i'm at his house

12:15

fear of reaction the guy

12:18

is , little you assess nora for

12:20

that i never once you not know what you're

12:22

always gonna react to such as

12:25

, seminal if

12:27

seminal don't yell at ogres bad guy

12:30

just the opposite system internal

12:32

is an internal free to ask them than

12:34

that manifests fund your fist of

12:37

i'm going to have the this now if want

12:39

to eat food as the freak

12:41

out now and the there's

12:43

freak way to sort this

12:48

know salutes and sort that

12:50

for going to vegas that know it's

12:52

just well as that and that's what

12:54

i do i just check out on welfare it

12:57

once was not successful five zoc a

12:59

damn about my move on that's all unsuccessful

13:02

lot so please enter i'll be better for

13:04

thought of hurts so i'll

13:06

still have hoped emmy so you're happy to sell

13:09

these assess your flight in you're

13:11

go get hearse these i am lazy

13:13

off of drive assists dry and

13:15

kicked me when down but i'm i'm there man

13:17

kicked kibumba agamemnon all pay for

13:19

it and i'll go try deaths since i

13:22

will i know it's me

13:25

it's lives i , it's

13:27

amazing how this thousand dollars on

13:29

the way home it's finally mind is

13:31

taped forty the office the not

13:33

a a

13:35

treats you like the dealer in in

13:38

of a vacation but whatever

13:40

you were gonna spend on let's let's go back

13:42

on city in the nuts my policy for

13:44

data you're not going to enjoy it anywhere just gets

13:46

subway and revived assistive

13:49

leave the money assistive leave soon noses

13:51

adding a says oh my job

13:54

so i anyway this guy bad guy but

13:56

i will say the spot chicken is good

13:58

but it's not very italian the that

14:00

sponsored it erodes tallies

14:02

is a good southern italian restaurant but

14:04

the food is not the real deal theorin rural

14:07

south carolina and for

14:09

my as if i'm in rural south

14:11

carolina i don't expect good italian

14:13

food i just don't we go columbus

14:15

i don't expect good italian food and we go to

14:17

fuck him you know portland i don't

14:19

expect italian food and there might be some cities

14:22

and to say in this cities with italian

14:24

cities a don't have italians that's not one of themselves

14:26

and draft assistance from a

14:28

city with a place called little italy

14:30

woods is get literally everything it's

14:32

effectiveness the your your it's

14:35

, now work and that's all there is though it's that

14:37

sorry her means of your and about though about

14:40

their lobsters to to the air

14:42

and will paulie walnuts called elvis country

14:44

ever since you're

14:46

not going get good italian food you should realize

14:48

that have the barbecue i bet it's spectacular

14:50

that's my advice to of when you're down next

14:52

south to sars air have

14:55

lived here since two thousand here since the

14:57

post offices awful in the mail delivery

14:59

is unreliable what is it

15:01

the eighteen hundreds quote losing

15:04

packages ah home shopping

15:07

, are very few in the grocery stores

15:09

don't keep stock of everyday items and this

15:11

has been going on long before covered restaurants

15:14

low quality as we hearts and

15:16

you can't even get good pizza or ice

15:18

cream the road system is awful and

15:20

there just aren't enough roads bridges forget

15:22

shortcuts to avoid traffic because there really

15:24

aren't any locals are redneck he and

15:26

or fake christians dirty uninteresting

15:29

little town not even worth visiting my

15:32

god they've lived there was there bible the for seventeen

15:34

years for eyes on the states have

15:37

vanna white is apparently from here is

15:39

that right i guess now apparently

15:41

she's from here population this town

15:43

twenty six thousand six twenty so

15:45

the good size area of more

15:47

females than males by i a decent chunk

15:50

here it's almost fifty three percent female if

15:52

there's if there's a college here so it's gonna

15:54

be got college town there's lotta younger people

15:56

so the median age thirty three rather

15:58

than thirty eight that and they

16:00

are lower amount of married people lot

16:03

of people single the children now rears

16:05

twenty four percent single with children and

16:07

that's usually than two percent so yeah

16:10

yeah maybe gone back to college or just that

16:12

that's why they're dropping out of college i'm not your

16:15

race , this town fifty seven point

16:17

three percent whites thirty eight point

16:19

two percent black one per cent asian

16:22

asian one percent native american which

16:24

is a lot of southeast actually and

16:27

yeah what is it ah two point three percent

16:30

hispanic which hispanic zero

16:32

hour and zero percent nationally

16:35

religion this town and as as i

16:38

think it has it's college towns forty

16:40

two point six percent which we've

16:42

in the set like and deep south carolina we've never

16:44

had anything that low down here but the

16:46

majority of them are of course of

16:48

course battle seventeen percent baptists

16:50

baptists are as we know the catholics

16:53

of the south south no avoiding that

16:55

zero point zero percent jewish done that's not

16:57

happening here so i in this county

17:00

thirty three percent voted democrat in

17:02

last election sixty democrat in republican

17:05

one percent independence so

17:07

i mean pretty clean sweep their economy

17:09

here three i said little little higher

17:11

unemployment rate than the rest of country i

17:14

don't have that the kids are and what the deal

17:16

is with that but little bit higher i

17:19

the income is also wow median

17:21

household income is about fifty

17:23

four thousand the rest country here it's thirty

17:25

five thousand south seas little

17:27

bit on low side so that cost of

17:29

living now it's minutes

17:31

also little bit low one hundred as average

17:33

here it's eighty it's eighty cost of living but

17:35

the housing median home costs

17:37

two hundred nine thousand eight hundred dollars

17:40

which is lower than rest of country but

17:42

not great you make thirty five grand year for

17:44

the all our so sad if we've convinced

17:47

yeah oh dammit conway is a place

17:49

for you you want to hear twitty

17:51

all night long here we

17:53

have for you he conway twitty south

17:55

carolina real estate report

18:03

your average

18:05

two bedroom rental here goes for about eight

18:07

hundred ninety bucks a month which is cheaper

18:10

than the national average spot thirteen hundred nationally

18:13

here is a three ,

18:15

two bath fourteen hundred eleven

18:17

square foot home from

18:19

the outside it looks fine

18:22

he like or has a nice will house with open

18:24

up the door and see what's going on inside and

18:26

then you see that the living room his

18:29

caution taped off oh whatever

18:31

the reason is there's no floor which

18:36

, you need is room that's a part of a rat's

18:38

important so rather than is falling in a hole

18:40

in their the the root cellar you're

18:42

gonna gonna , only

18:45

forty percent of our own as lot

18:47

the floor as important if i walk into a room

18:49

to things i was a floor to ceiling i'll take

18:51

all sue of we have those available but

18:53

floor to ceiling necessary see that

18:55

early max hum you

18:57

a it's it's it looks like it's

19:00

there's some old answer my

19:02

yeah it's aggressive and looks aggressive there's

19:04

a there's would just rotting away

19:06

pieces the ceiling on the floor i

19:08

don't understand it man i don't get it what happened

19:11

inside like propulsion idol the pulsar

19:13

guys like got it at or something i don't know it's

19:15

gonna ninety thousand dollars for the hold

19:17

out for an unlivable pieces yes

19:19

yeah i guess the outside a sign so

19:21

what the hell are three bedroom two bath

19:24

thirteen hundred square foot it's a

19:26

it's a trailer it's like double wide

19:28

and of a and home barely

19:31

any windows in this place which is weird

19:33

there's live it's very kind of dark

19:36

but it's it's thiessen inside looks like

19:38

it was remodeled actually or it's newer

19:40

one a like that looks

19:42

like park with a picnic area and shit like

19:44

that but hundred and twenty nine thousand

19:46

nine hundred bucks for a very nice

19:48

trailer and then i was

19:50

no wind as i was trailer sounds

19:54

worse that wife says that i have a

19:56

four bedroom for bath t ball

19:58

for each and every be whole babies twenty

20:00

five hundred twenty three square feet nice

20:03

good , house pretty new newish

20:07

newish nice to nice house there's

20:09

and it's like decorated

20:11

free ugly but there's lot different of

20:14

and out who's like that that that i

20:16

with the called the what's the would that looks

20:18

old without it not what was done

20:20

by stressors of your and destroy the idea

20:23

of shit like that so that's all around it never

20:25

our you like something was just installed recently

20:28

for like the new trend that may be from may seventies

20:31

and weed out now it's of newer house as bill

20:33

nye glass ten years now i've hundred

20:35

fifty nine grand for lap a while

20:37

that's given pay for that shit south

20:39

here pain little bit now things to do

20:42

when a buzzer these because there's not much to do

20:44

here the ori county museum

20:47

quilt gala off

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join us for the twenty eighth annual growth

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gala at the ori museum march

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me on march first the march twenty fourth

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the museum will display quilts made by

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the myrtle beach shorebirds the

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fit quilting club yeah and

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the conway quilt guild yeah

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the the quilt guild you know wow

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each week new quilts will be on display

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that be awarded to local veterans

21:13

and special ceremony thank

21:15

you for your service here's quilt is

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very fear is what assassin i

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said the gamma what a strange bray

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, our that's like grew always sunny philadelphia

21:24

the guy gets all when they got i'm jean shorts seems like

21:27

a guy who fatigues that's a bad as

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i got me affects a quilter small

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now i'm ready that that back into

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world and hobbies sit and enjoy

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the war on war seizes

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the mission of the quilts about

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quilts of valor foundation three

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it's nice sentimental get me wrong is

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to cover all service members of veterans

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touch my war with comforting and healing quilt

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since two thousand and three the foundation which is

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now national organization is awarded

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over two hundred fifty thousand quilts

21:56

across the u s holy shit

21:58

he lot of wealth here

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in quilts feel like can't say that

22:03

he'll in my wealth that as of yeah sales

22:05

they're not selling them fear that they're

22:07

selling and make a play about who they put little

22:09

niels bohr anonymous donor the

22:12

yelling at case you get like burner that

22:14

home walk around the house in little sad on your

22:16

finger in wrap yourself in this is it

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like just the center of the band

22:20

aid they stitch the altogether that's

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lot of on this as a lot of of shit

22:24

loads of of shit loads of unaware of

22:26

specs or , rate

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in this town we are interested and property

22:30

crime arts college town so not surprisingly

22:33

almost double national average at the college

22:35

town that that includes drinking

22:37

and doing dumb shit in the streets south's

22:40

violent crime maybe the mud people

22:42

there to the mud working people violent

22:45

crime murder rape robbery and of course

22:47

assault the mount rushmore of crime

22:49

is about twenty percent high so that's up

22:51

that's little bit too what with slept

22:53

on while every college town you're going

22:55

to get more ons fighting scissors

22:57

shrunk you're going get more same way

22:59

higher sexual assault ratio than the rest

23:02

the civilized country because

23:04

you know who's horny or than twenty one

23:06

year olds and less responsible and more

23:08

drunk and more aggressive in our

23:10

has more testosterone gone through

23:12

there the walls and that's how they

23:14

can barely control that when they're sober that's

23:16

what i'm saying south that said

23:19

let's talk about murder

23:21

is our weakest vs i

23:23

my goodness you're a what goddamn story

23:25

do we have for you today a lot of

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this comes from a this book had great

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information a here and our

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to kill a true story of

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love murder and justice in small

23:36

southern town love which

23:38

sounds exactly like small town murder

23:41

and and yeah

23:43

that title the book you go well mean it's my

23:45

dale hudson and billie hills so

23:47

you go yeah that sounds like us a why

23:49

not so let's start here

23:51

on september i'm sorry november

23:53

seventeenth nineteen ninety

23:56

one mm go back to

23:58

this era cool ever in cool as ice sorry

24:00

again lpr we , about

24:02

that was a crime in sports executive up and

24:04

i i think it was this

24:06

side or another either way i yeah

24:09

this is the is vanilla

24:11

ice is on downswing here and said making

24:13

movies and they're not that sounds i watched

24:15

is not always in it as the great

24:17

now oh boy

24:20

if something isn't it so i've

24:22

sunday november seventeenth ninety

24:24

ninety one it's a sunday morning yeah we

24:27

got couple of brothers lloyd and willis

24:29

allen here i love

24:31

, the older brother lloyd his younger

24:33

brother the both their twenties though to

24:35

scan a couple of the this

24:38

the to this is this town is twenty five

24:40

thousand people in there's college but like

24:42

the townies i guess could follow these

24:44

big the it's it's rural man this is like

24:46

got yeah these are guess everybody

24:48

here is a lot good ole boys will

24:50

have a like quote about it later on

24:52

were

24:53

michael jordan had is found a hat that was a

24:55

nike twenty three ch on and

24:58

, they ask like it does this belong to anybody

25:00

and all the kids laugh and they're like nobody

25:02

gonna wear that around here like they're like

25:04

what are you talking it's nineteen ninety one were like

25:07

the nike swoosh with yeah the

25:09

most you know known thing

25:11

there was in jordan was on every commercial

25:14

and every mean you couldn't get away from them for fucks

25:16

sake or they were singing like mike

25:18

if like could be like mike [unk] boy they're like

25:20

and nobody is like that guy down here like

25:23

that it's it's just it's different type of place

25:25

so wow lawyer will is there

25:27

a couple a good ole boys going out

25:29

deer hunting to their eggs and either

25:31

whole family's been active in deer hunting

25:33

for a long time do this is my nose entering

25:35

ninety one nov seventeen ninety

25:37

one really saw four months away from michael

25:39

jordan representing these people in the a with

25:41

the olympics yeah analysis

25:45

we don't we don't count the summer olympics

25:47

as olympics as an olympics actually

25:51

we voted on and decided now ah

25:53

and it's so i

25:56

v they go out hunting it's

25:58

nine o'clock in the morning they you

26:00

know they stop the store they get it as

26:02

soda and i nine

26:04

am and you're going hunt new want get a corn dog

26:06

also south stop it yeah

26:08

this guy's eaten corn dog in the truck on the way

26:10

to hunting horn dog and soda

26:12

at nine am as the the fuel you need

26:15

the killing of bag for dog is

26:17

from yesterday i

26:19

, it's fresh maybe it's just our fresh

26:22

sort sort what new ones aren't

26:24

zeinab money on i they are yeah

26:26

my guys nine am they're not going before

26:28

am a stay of those nine am side the deer

26:30

of still be there nine using corn

26:32

dog does on atlanta no

26:34

i'm hoping know

26:37

i certainly think it's from last night blindness

26:39

i'm hoping maybe they just

26:41

put fresh batch on ass maybe

26:43

some drunk same through to in morning and white

26:45

about white had to put some new ones new

26:47

ones they do it they're going out to collins

26:50

jolie road i guess and

26:52

sister just saying it's nice day out

26:54

here and milligan this is good day for

26:56

hunting and all escape or shit i

26:58

guess they turned down and ah

27:00

turn the truck down a dirt lane leading

27:03

to an open field where

27:05

i lloyd was with his father

27:07

the day before they saw signs of dear there's

27:09

and like other leaving the are hanging out around here

27:12

so he he says his brother keep your

27:14

eyes open and dumb you

27:16

know they realize they're on the prop private

27:19

area of lamps other my

27:21

gosh what are gonna do here and then then

27:23

that the guy drive and lawyer says we're just luck and

27:25

who gives a shit in l it's balance so

27:27

the he's along bill

27:29

, the whole deal here down the road

27:31

i threw the field and

27:33

they're just look and they're like really like into

27:35

looking for deer and he signed a deer

27:38

in the in the trees enough running away

27:40

from noise of truck is you'll see bush's

27:42

move and our lloyd said

27:44

quote we're just looking that's

27:47

a , exactly what it was so

27:50

that willis here that willis

27:52

the tree line and looking

27:54

for everything and the truck comes to stuff

27:57

and there's a dark spot in

27:59

road ahead of lloyd lloyd

28:01

said look at there's big dark spot

28:03

that looks like somebody shot deer there

28:06

you know what i mean like that makes sense so

28:08

i they said oh shit like that so they

28:11

they get out the truck they have to reach out of window opens

28:13

the doors at broken on the inside the lattice

28:15

sauce that to do that and

28:17

will said looks like somebody killed deer here this morning

28:20

announcer they're like okay let's normal there's

28:22

deer here south so

28:24

then they spot blood trail well

28:27

in so we'll have said quote somebody

28:29

must a shot want any run off their in

28:31

that ditch he has his quote by the

28:33

way from out there and run on all the closer

28:35

we give you are exactly what their allies i am

28:37

i just what's in the dialogue am i gonna

28:39

try to make more english

28:42

south they

28:46

look like drag marks which

28:48

people will take a d air and bring it somewhere to

28:50

whatever dress , or yeah

28:52

and you know happens is a deer gets

28:54

shot or sometimes they'll drag leg or something

28:57

your that gov mark so sure that

28:59

you get stuck behind them i guess i that

29:01

be the thing so they move

29:03

forward and i white

29:05

said that's a quote it's damn lot blood

29:07

isn't it said they're looking at this big thing

29:09

in this small several small

29:11

pools of fresh blood also that were near

29:13

the center area there's grew up on blood around

29:16

here so i there

29:18

they keep walking and willis stops

29:21

all the sudden cause he sees cause shoe

29:24

sticking up over the edge of ditch dear

29:26

don't wear those so he stares

29:28

at the shoe here and i'm

29:30

he follows the shoe and season

29:32

ankle that's not good

29:34

gets closer and sees

29:37

that the ankle connects to a leg which

29:39

connects to the partially clothed body

29:41

of a very mutilated person

29:43

oh no and that is still on

29:45

the body still was still on body

29:49

the body shit it's is it's is their

29:51

on their side his body as and

29:53

i he said

29:56

they one guy throws up with up

29:58

with as throws up right there it's

30:00

me guy who are oh

30:02

god i mean yeah i'm so

30:04

he leaned forward and a his brother

30:06

had the corn dogs still and drop corn

30:08

dog is at that point you know your appetite

30:10

for corn dogs goes down the drain in

30:13

the audience the guy vomiting any

30:15

business yeah so

30:18

a for his brother who's throwing up saturday

30:20

know dear light it's dead body and

30:23

lived for says man you're lying to

30:25

me comes

30:27

over and will takes a closer

30:29

look and he says what

30:31

the hell holy shit and i obviously

30:34

it as body lloyd ,

30:36

oh my god you think it might be a woman woman

30:39

as well as his throw an upset i don't know anything

30:41

about that man i'm not even interested

30:44

don't interested throwing

30:46

up basically don't up care so

30:48

lloyds walk and actually looking at their

30:50

body and says look at the shoe and the close

30:52

it's got to close a woman and will

30:54

us as dang man will away from that

30:57

he said you know let's go they run to the

30:59

trucks ah they

31:02

lloyd is looking to see looking at all the blood

31:04

and everything like that and everything the

31:07

hair seems to be mad at on this

31:10

or this woman and there's cuts all over

31:12

her face and mahdi and it's you

31:14

know he said couldn't tell what color the hair was

31:16

because there were so much matted dirt on s

31:19

i'm so he said her lower abdomen

31:22

like by her stomach have been cut

31:24

open and

31:26

the her insides were hanging

31:29

around they know i like disemboweling

31:31

non and lloyd said

31:34

jesus that person was butchered up like an animal

31:36

let's rebuild his brother so

31:38

ah he said come on lied let's

31:41

you know let's go and then they start

31:43

thinking holy shit whoever did this that

31:45

one is pretty fresh they might be around here we

31:47

have any the fuck outta here be while or to

31:50

begin our grown rednecks with guns

31:52

but there's no like we don't have this have this

31:54

did this is of a horrible person zoc

31:57

human being sick motherfucker we need to get

31:59

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they get back to their sister's house and

32:41

they immediately go call police call

32:43

the police always ship or we found a body the woods

32:45

hurry up hurry up i've the killer might come

32:48

back like they're freaking out saying all sorts of shit

32:50

so they call it nine ten a m a

32:52

nine one one gets call i'm

32:55

here before about ten o'clock little

32:57

before ten o'clock the cop show up at

32:59

trailer and ah that's where

33:01

like sister lives and i'm

33:04

hour later an hour later

33:06

lloyd well as doesn't

33:08

go well as one was throwing up and in want

33:10

any part of back there he stays back of the

33:12

trailer ah lloyd

33:14

his sister and lloyd senior go

33:17

back and show the cops are they found body might

33:19

i be like are dry you meant he says

33:22

i go a mere that second place

33:24

again having again the

33:27

cops would be hey let's not have four people

33:29

traipsing around crime scene when you say let's

33:31

have maybe the one person who knows and will

33:33

go there would bring the crime scene unit the

33:35

winner that like that so

33:38

i will as though he remained in the bedroom

33:40

and he didn't want any part of it he later said

33:42

quote i was too scared and had seen

33:44

all that body in those woods i ever hope to

33:46

see you go hot know your life

33:48

and you don't never seen that like that when

33:50

i seen them guts hang him out when

33:52

i seen her split open like she was i

33:54

said to myself well as lever did

33:56

this was sick you know what i'm saying is

33:58

very very sick i

34:00

love by the way when man says to himself

34:03

and then then uses

34:05

his name to himself you're

34:07

talking to yourself so you know you're talking

34:09

to but you say i said to myself james

34:12

that's so weird isn't

34:14

, wow love the way i love

34:16

that i love a southern isn't too

34:18

and i love i love i it's

34:20

it's charming to me and my max i

34:23

find that say to myself well as a set

34:25

of know what that is bad

34:27

very warm him at his daughter

34:29

yes

34:31

feals carrying is what is yeah

34:34

so they the obviously

34:36

they're horrified the police go and will get to

34:38

that later but let's go back to the night before

34:41

and meet some people okay this is

34:43

november sixteenth nineteen ninety

34:45

one so saturday night saturday night

34:47

yeah saturday night and the gg

34:50

that are teenagers are hanging out

34:52

and partying and you know just doing their

34:54

teenage things that they're doing this is

34:56

nothing like a like you

34:58

know we had in kansas a couple of weeks ago or

35:00

we had like a scumbag in trailer or by

35:02

the booze for kids this isn't like that these are kids

35:04

being these kids without some

35:06

predator you know outside

35:08

adult predator like you know on them

35:11

so first of all lets talk

35:13

about johnny j h

35:15

n n i e thats his legal name

35:17

say say again j oh h

35:19

n i n i e sorry o h

35:22

john nee yeah johnny

35:25

kenneth register the second

35:27

now here he is why i we

35:29

know that means crime and sports people i now

35:31

easier his junior the sack any

35:33

now it's that some bad

35:36

going to happen to him he'll be doing something bad

35:38

one of the deserts johnny

35:40

cash register of the second is eighteen

35:42

years old and i'm

35:45

you know he goes to high school

35:47

he went to high school here he graduated in

35:50

in june so he's done with high school now

35:52

i'm but he knows the

35:55

lot of people in the area obviously so he's

35:57

he's hanging out or this particular

35:59

nineties with his girl when damn now

36:02

tell me his , bit younger

36:04

than him he thinks he's fifteen or sixteen or something

36:06

which could yeah so much for me

36:08

but i it's fine sometimes i guess

36:10

ah now tammy he tammy

36:12

lives next door to go kart track okay

36:15

and family works the go kart track

36:17

i guess to know don't think

36:20

they own but i think they do like bookkeeping there

36:22

and stuff like that so there are other cool

36:25

go kart track people her so

36:27

i'm now hair

36:29

me hi kenneth

36:31

doesn't like i can is is named johnny cash

36:33

register as they called camps zo

36:36

can ah doesn't like it when tammy

36:38

goes to track by yourself though

36:40

because there's it's all boys there

36:43

it's all a bunch of and so

36:45

it's all at so she he doesn't

36:47

want her going by yourself she lives next

36:49

door to the track or family work there are

36:51

but she's still would do that is it bring your

36:53

own go cart or is it like a they

36:55

got their own i do races know it's

36:57

like oh it's race track like

36:59

a a it's not like a lot of partner

37:02

with a with a thing it's like i show

37:04

up with their mind would put all my money into

37:06

this rate yeah go go my garage

37:08

watch out yeah it's not go and now they're racing

37:10

for thirty dollars whatever it as i dunno there

37:13

up to fight either

37:16

way cat is upset the sniper at the track

37:18

together but apparently tammy

37:20

recently went to the track and

37:22

didn't wear his ring she

37:26

wears his rank as are going steady and all about

37:29

so , now i'm still single

37:31

for a minute minute i mean he

37:33

didn't like that and i'm but i'm mean

37:35

sega sees sega fuckin they've

37:38

been going out about out now but she

37:40

said that he's she's always she

37:42

lives next door to the track this is her place services

37:44

skyn else is here all the time all this is

37:46

where her and her friends hang out sounds eerily

37:49

thoroughly tell the girl he can go to the place to

37:51

go all it's i'm that's pretty weird so

37:54

i'm either way this

37:56

particular night can it's cold and silly

37:59

it's it's more during the day but chilly

38:01

at night in south carolina so he only

38:03

has a teaser on is cold

38:05

that he's like let's get outta here and

38:07

she's like you know if you don't want stay you can

38:09

stay you can go that's okay my

38:11

, misty came over here she came by

38:13

yourself and she wants a ride home with her anyway

38:16

so you know it's perfectly

38:18

all right right said there

38:20

are you wrote here with me i'll take you home yeah

38:22

i'll stay long as you want this

38:24

crazy doing that sets

38:26

now tommy's house you can see it from the track

38:28

it's right it's mexican doors and south

38:31

yeah woods and seventy that and her family's

38:33

there too so who's the how much of escort as

38:35

girl neat how many people how an emmy

38:37

to figure out see need on her all times

38:39

how that's i mean jesus go

38:41

walk home with your dad what talking about her illegal

38:44

protect itself but

38:46

she never walked to or from the track

38:48

at night though because the short and

38:50

said it's dangerous because the country roads gear

38:52

by car it was dark out there now live

38:55

streetlights so us tears

38:57

she said i'd rather stay in

38:59

be bored she said or curfews eleven o'clock

39:01

she's only fourteen by the way he's eighteen

39:05

which is a giant know

39:07

ah right away as actually

39:09

not again is that regional is

39:11

that us on , that

39:13

is i don't i don't know at that as realizes

39:15

that is this is my daughter was fourteen

39:17

if an eighteen year old boy came over over

39:20

he'd have been he would have walked away like that

39:22

be like donald duck or daffy duck we talked about

39:24

was be gone backwards gone that

39:27

shit is not happening until you at right

39:29

now how does how does he not have any friends

39:31

that are like dude no isn't that number

39:34

you that for it as much

39:36

as a freshman i remember girls that would be

39:38

like dating would be unquote

39:40

dating the a c n and yeah that

39:42

guy looks like an idiot said looks

39:44

like this this guy already graduated

39:46

his i even c way worse yes is

39:48

this is matthew mcconaughey and dazed confused

39:50

how he's going out with the freshmen sex was

39:52

come in and that now you can't do

39:54

that now this is bad stuff that's illegal

39:57

though i'm you cease

40:00

damn here although not arrive home with her

40:02

and he said now know i'll take home and all

40:04

the start thing south sea said

40:06

though her curfew of she's at

40:08

the tracks is allowed to stay out past eleven

40:11

because or families that are so she's like

40:13

i don't if i go home minutes curfew

40:15

if i stay out i can

40:17

say out for awhile liner and damn

40:20

he said well you know again it's already

40:22

lot happy to let ready after eleven now

40:24

i'll just stay here with you and his

40:27

curfew wasn't till twelve thirty even though is

40:29

eighteen years old when his energy

40:31

of whenever the fuck insistence

40:33

or hear his it's i mean this is

40:36

your what are they all than half of

40:38

your goddamn adult movies are going about going

40:40

home when you go home so

40:42

anyway i'd twelve thirty as

40:44

his curfew so he can stay out later but

40:47

you know he's cold and she's like well

40:49

maybe well go but there's a the

40:52

basically she's like well i think there's only a couple more races

40:54

let's stay for couple more races and then one comes

40:57

up and he says this might be the last race some

40:59

will stay through this so they stay through

41:01

race and damn you know

41:04

all that shit and then another race gets to

41:06

start agencies like while guess it wasn't the last

41:08

race and his life he goes

41:10

can we just go now can we go

41:12

we thought it was the last race and

41:14

see says circle had if wants

41:16

him to have to have one see how

41:19

she said i'm staying you can go

41:21

and she said gonna go tell my daddy's i'll be

41:23

here and she's locked away so

41:27

there you go a now him he'd

41:29

been racing his boat with friends

41:31

at the river landing that day she

41:33

that's just ken was up to he's got

41:35

guess was really warm that day so

41:38

he got somehow got shitload a sunburn

41:40

and november okay and so

41:42

he's raising at night now he's free though

41:44

yeah that's the south yeah the

41:46

weather in the south that's

41:48

a big method evil guy a this isn't

41:50

anything about whatever culture shit like that

41:52

this is pure viewed purely whether you

41:54

can't help it but people act like

41:56

the you go down there for good weather what

41:58

fucking good weather

42:01

it's a hundred and three with one hundred

42:03

percent humidity or it's freezing those

42:05

the only options down that i've

42:07

, down south plenty it goes from winter

42:09

to was hot and can't breathe yeah

42:12

like that over fucking night night

42:14

there are other that saw

42:16

that saw what when

42:18

you can't win and you literally like atlanta

42:21

and then there's like this is his

42:23

matthew roderick in biloxi blues

42:25

in his life as he's looking around a city

42:27

of and to carry this process of how i was

42:29

at us and don't understand how it's this hot

42:32

it's one of us it's ross

42:34

it's hurts you can't breathe and not being

42:36

able to breathe in out of his

42:38

place arts and my dad

42:40

lived in north carolina would snow a foot in

42:42

the winter and then winter summer by march

42:44

it was eighty nine degrees and humid out like

42:46

always displacement

42:49

unforgiving fucking nice wealth or wow

42:53

, anyway i that's what he

42:55

did i so he also

42:58

be the stop at his house to shower

43:00

after this and he grabbed

43:02

his shotgun

43:04

wow where he p then he picked up tammy because

43:06

before going to the golf cart races they're

43:08

heading off to turkey shoot what

43:11

, didn't know that like is that like a dance dance

43:15

that like a dance and in a rural area have

43:17

enough the turkeys you can you is

43:19

, potluck called turkey

43:21

hunting like woody it i don't

43:23

know he said wasn't

43:25

in the mood for shooting with a friend

43:27

at asda that they drop by so he did

43:30

i'm so anyway they went back to tammy's

43:32

house and were watching tv

43:34

and sitting with tammy's mom but then tammy

43:36

wanted go to the track so he was like okay

43:39

and then they went they track that's how the night ended up

43:41

as he didn't even want be at the track yeah

43:43

he does be getting the boat and shoot turkey's shoot

43:45

turkeys then come back instead at her house

43:48

so i'm either way she

43:50

ends up i'm finding her aunt who's

43:52

working they're doing the bookkeeping at working time and

43:55

tammy says quote tell daddy i'm going stay

43:57

going ride with misty and

43:59

you know they duran said well as and came here

44:01

and she said yeah but he's cold and nominee

44:04

sensitivity severin with that sunburn

44:06

he now he's been a little bit cia

44:08

is a , is on

44:11

fire buddy severin it's where it's real

44:13

weird it's it's weird he's hot to

44:15

the touch and i used as as

44:18

teeth at sadder and boy let me tell you what's

44:21

so anyway

44:23

i that yeah

44:25

flicker you to fighting and she said no we're

44:27

not fighting no no no i just don't want to go

44:29

yet and she said he's just being

44:31

can that was or line oh

44:34

so it's kind of upset separately can

44:36

kind of a pain in the ass him and i'm

44:38

so her and says i'll tell him but we're fixing

44:40

get real busy tallying up so you

44:42

know financing keep an eye out and that

44:45

was that's so tammy found can

44:47

talk and as a friend of his through in

44:49

a by offense over there hang outs

44:53

she comes up and he says now

44:55

can we go like loudly and

44:57

people like what fuck so that says

44:59

you know you want go from us

45:01

like shit my bad she

45:03

says what's last race in

45:05

our now so i'm watch the last race

45:08

and damn she said that then he

45:10

said she said i'm gonna stay but you will

45:12

we've i want you go on and get warm she

45:14

says the have you go you

45:17

go via fire something

45:19

and then kind of started gonna put her arm

45:21

around his inserted taken him tentative

45:23

parking lot less some on cars this way

45:25

like isis like a drunk getting

45:27

let out of a bar here like hunt down on

45:29

our it's much more fun out here com essa

45:32

although there's so many girls outside yeah it's going

45:34

to be great out here come on azalea so

45:38

i'm they get toward the parking lot

45:40

and damn i guess he he

45:43

he does stuff and church so

45:45

he's got lot of church things she said

45:47

to him quotes you're going to be so handsome the

45:49

morning leading the music and you don't need

45:51

to catch a cold now so in here on

45:53

home and he said i'll watch

45:55

the last case last race of them go together

45:57

as together as as we go back and forth

46:00

this we see the sat sat down shut the fuck

46:02

up by cup of coffee in this

46:04

in this it out we got

46:06

an email with sign to go until then shut

46:08

off what we doing

46:10

so anyway the race cars race is

46:12

over i'm men out

46:14

there we got they start going towards the

46:17

towards car and dumb

46:19

she said wall way with was your car warms

46:21

up yeah only to give me right next door

46:23

i'll stay with here i we against out later

46:26

so he unlocked or door and then i'm

46:28

he got into his seat know kind shit

46:30

and he's cold and blah blah so

46:32

anyway their season the car with

46:34

ham and she's the kind of you know

46:37

kiffin little bit and sort stuff like

46:39

that make him out i guess you could call

46:41

it's and nothing in a heavy but is

46:44

like having his light

46:46

, which is highly illegal i'm sure

46:48

consists consists elite just

46:50

little illegal like padding that's padding

46:53

little law breaking little petting know

46:55

for a misdemeanor padding was

46:58

just an adult making out with child that

47:00

as well as an adult making out with

47:02

a fuck him girl who's in eighth

47:04

grade like fucking girl

47:07

four months ago so that's fine anyway

47:12

i the way this is all going they kiss

47:14

a little bit they make some they really talk

47:16

a little more they make plans for next day and

47:19

yeah because he's that busy

47:21

day addition the boat racing in turkey shooting

47:24

he also spent the whole morning putting the finishing

47:26

touches on an altar that he and his father

47:28

have built for the local church might as well

47:31

it's a small certs thirty five members

47:33

little tiny church and i basically

47:36

him and his dad as scrub

47:38

floors of the church made preparations to lead

47:40

the music for the next day and service and

47:43

now it's the big here a big

47:45

church day is sundays gonna be the the

47:47

big unveiling of new you know alter

47:49

what other suzie a saturday i've ever heard

47:51

of it so been wonder why wanted to leave

47:54

sad if only time to if

47:56

you did all this church work built an altar

47:59

without on a all day enough to get sunburned

48:01

in november for have them when

48:04

turkey shooting you'd be like yeah i'm not

48:06

into the go carts and i begged sorry but

48:08

here you go i'll be back here you

48:11

also you any other here do people go

48:13

on with flow here in a wrinkle up

48:15

your face don't like it like it's a sandwich

48:18

mayonnaise on it and then don't even that softness

48:20

as the you keep you it's not your childhood

48:22

girl for that's how you do it

48:25

or her childhood not your child's i see

48:28

your , girlfriend who's still in

48:30

her child that your her

48:32

childhood boyfriend raspberry

48:37

your sees you are adult molest

48:39

a power source masses in masses

48:41

look back fondly at this but

48:43

also have therapy because of it's

48:45

about the i went and when she brings it up therapist

48:47

we're going to make that regularly most naismith man

48:50

naismith underpowered anger as

48:52

anger team or dimona like that

48:55

so tabby gets out the car walks back

48:57

to the track enough ,

48:59

watches make sure she gets back to her cousins

49:02

are waiting there south south

49:04

if she gets back them safely and

49:07

he pulls away and pulls off into

49:09

the into the night air here is only

49:11

eleven fifteen he is have be home twelve

49:13

thirty so you know he's gonna

49:16

the size and will drive around for awhile but

49:18

when alaina my get a fig church state marmol

49:20

have a you know what windows open i guess

49:22

windows closed here on suppose these

49:24

are you able

49:27

to as it's teenager though the by

49:29

eighteen now with when you're working you're working wanna

49:31

go home but like i get the fourteen year old

49:33

not wanting me all night when we're that if

49:35

you want to stay out as much as you can run out

49:37

even if it's just as watch people

49:39

disassembled go karts you like right during

49:42

certain my room so next

49:44

up less up less crystal

49:47

stay todd and k when

49:49

see seventeenth by the way crystal

49:51

is the most eighties nineties name

49:53

that's ever existed for ice crystal

49:55

and heather are the do that you would be named i

49:58

think the fractal has stopped the

50:00

way that do my that is as good crystal

50:02

i have not heard of a where there is not

50:04

a woman under forty name crystal in this entire

50:06

country i'm star of it

50:08

i'm positive of it right this

50:12

doesn't exist it just doesn't exist

50:14

and better v is that because it's bad it's

50:16

i don't think i've met the

50:19

jesus i don't think i have ever met guy

50:21

have a memory innovative the css now they

50:23

have met girl named bristol that i didn't

50:25

have a giant problem yeah

50:28

, mean iron all right yeah i don't know

50:30

about that i know my grandmother and poodle

50:32

named crystal or yeah that was my only crystal

50:34

memory of anyway i know her her

50:37

she gave it away while my i was at school

50:39

and then i'm my i was like where's the

50:41

dog and was crying seekers my gave it away

50:43

shut up and she's were was

50:45

allowed be sad about it be sad go either way

50:47

because was addicted to mask isn't there

50:52

why not like other crystals and and was in

50:54

which see this this particular dog

50:56

was his nice dog and not my grandmother

50:58

just had no empathy for things

51:00

like that the i found

51:02

out that she was seen as a shield

51:05

ahead , fucking nazis in whole

51:07

whole i lay on lot she didn't see

51:09

had no patience for childhood for cirelli

51:13

them in our said it's had said joke

51:15

idea about me being upset

51:17

about my tv and see thousand miles

51:19

little girl least i'd so the nazis wouldn't

51:21

rape us and i was like all my a guy

51:23

it's not as bad of other albums

51:25

i have a bunny ears are i now i'll

51:27

take our that cel be cool

51:29

without having cel be great idea though

51:33

a crystal say time see the real nice girl

51:35

crystal fi actually she's not a eyes

51:38

she's not yours not your average crystal

51:40

honor as i hear she's seventeen years

51:42

old yeah

51:44

she's a she's a good kid her

51:46

mom the scribes are like this

51:49

quote don't get me wrong and

51:51

it's new start out start word our it

51:53

weren't all good times for crystal as

51:55

crystal as mother's exact phrasing her daddy

51:57

was sick when she was little bitty

51:59

thing as the help take care of him

52:02

she watched him die you know it

52:04

was so bad i had to take her to the doctor

52:06

and get something on account of her nerves she

52:08

had a sick uncle and got a sick grandma

52:11

to she lives next door crystal

52:13

hold them back and forth to the doctor for

52:15

me both of them was crippled up real bad

52:18

i've so yeah let's

52:20

see so the most her family as

52:22

i mean i say crystals a nice kids

52:24

use like taking care of older people

52:27

she's got it scares is this

52:29

is not us to that a flake and all criminal

52:32

lion hamlet again by any stretch

52:34

arm her mom said quote she likes

52:37

everything clean as she clean the

52:39

house all the time did the could quote

52:41

the cooking the washing and the mopping i

52:43

shave and cut the grass or mom said

52:46

all the time eyes she said she always

52:48

acted like seats to always wanted do these

52:50

things ah she never liked for her mom

52:52

to smoke especially in crystals

52:54

car in one car smell like smoke

52:57

she said quote if quote if see plein out the

52:59

ashtray right we got home she

53:01

a gone with boys that smoke either though

53:05

that's we have an idea of crystal

53:08

nice good hard worker takes

53:10

care of the family a go know boys that smoke

53:13

says , we are some of

53:15

which he may not as not hear him about

53:17

his nose doesn't like arisen yeah notice

53:20

smell soon as he likes of see that cleans

53:22

is very select clean things and stuff

53:24

like that i'm crystal had

53:27

been without a car for a while here here

53:29

she had some problems crystal i get and

53:32

this is so because we've christ as

53:34

a kid v do this it's nights

53:36

done but people do it south she

53:38

got she crashed for card with telephone

53:40

pole three months earlier and

53:42

was arrested and charged with driving

53:44

under the influence alcohol she

53:47

had she beers and

53:49

i that sorta thing now she

53:51

went to a party and have couple of beers

53:54

in alps or plastic cup was three dollars

53:56

have you added that would see gotta three

53:58

hours jagr s c the

54:00

three dollars worth and ah she's

54:02

stand up checked out crystal because

54:04

the cops told her that she could become

54:06

an informant and tell them

54:08

who is serving teenagers and

54:10

all is said and they would drop the dui

54:12

charge on her and she said i'm not

54:14

a rat season and wouldn't see

54:17

literally said literally won't rat won't my friends

54:19

and so she took that seats up the fuck him

54:21

he for everybody that's a stand up person

54:23

likes of bottom line south's com

54:25

the charge was ultimately reduced

54:27

to minor possessing alcohol was

54:30

she held their ground and that's it she got produce

54:32

charges of good from she got

54:34

she lost her driver's license for

54:36

few months because this is a

54:38

suspension mindedness yeah

54:40

i she got it back four days prior

54:43

to this saturday night that

54:45

we're talking about now going on wednesday dot

54:48

on wednesday and she's got a she's got a

54:50

nice car to by the way she has very

54:53

prideful about the car she's got metallic

54:55

blue ninety one toyota

54:57

celica a i was going guess a laser

54:59

but that's great our it's yeah it's a cool car

55:01

yeah so she's got that and with the personalized

55:04

license plate see todd a

55:06

so i'll get her she's got its sexy

55:09

zealand yeah dude

55:11

, rei that is he got out of that

55:13

car fucking that feat that feels

55:15

good a team that would feel awesome i never had

55:17

a car that was anywhere near new but what

55:20

are we the ninety one random

55:22

navy one that this isn't ninety one

55:24

i think brand new with their name

55:26

on the plate see that's an amazing yeah

55:29

that's goods yeah she said it will will

55:31

ready to go out she's got the this

55:34

is first weekend she's at driver's license and

55:36

month to so she's like yeah going to go out

55:38

and have good time with my friends so

55:40

a on this saturday she

55:42

had an early dinner with her mother's family in

55:45

the town of marion and

55:47

then she was going to hang out with friends

55:49

and find something to do with the saturday night and

55:51

night as and remember just leaving

55:54

your house and like for thirty on saturday

55:56

afternoon noon yeah you don't know where

55:58

you're going or who you're going to be your [unk] find

56:00

people either everything that's happening and

56:02

by the evan about you we were found things

56:04

to them again that you going call three people

56:07

find out where the rats you're all meeting

56:09

together and then sit there we don't fucking

56:11

know who knows but you are going leave

56:13

the house that's one thing you're doing immediately

56:15

assumes on a salvage his feet apply

56:17

for some like that see them play

56:19

for that's a pretty far away yeah

56:22

, parking lots arabia where you minutes so

56:25

now there's not a lot of organized

56:28

activities around here there's not lot of shit for

56:30

teenagers to do know that mall

56:32

there's not like yeah i mean there isn't lot

56:34

to do so they

56:36

would would would eat there's

56:38

a local like a little diner where they

56:40

would eat them mean others mall

56:42

few miles away with has hike right here

56:45

as you are out late night them all closed mind

56:47

so as not going going there

56:49

is a kind of a little loop

56:52

around the mall or kids would cruise around

56:54

the hour strive around in circles and

56:56

look for people and shit people that but

56:59

so she ends up to five figuring out

57:01

about a little party that's going on about

57:03

a friend of hers ab

57:05

, of hers is having says calls

57:07

up her best friend carla and

57:09

she says yo carla there's party

57:11

you got this party and she

57:14

goes he's gonna pick karloff at work carla

57:16

works at the mall and , carla

57:18

now crystal had planned to meet

57:20

with her cousin but that fell through

57:22

i yeah now so she he started

57:25

hanging out with other friends forgot to call

57:27

her south south she

57:29

also didn't receive a call that night from

57:31

her a boise started dating recently

57:33

also named jamie so she's

57:35

like well this sucks but

57:38

she said that you know maybe somebody else maybe

57:40

thought to have good night anyway as

57:42

asked my friend south's they either

57:44

going to go out going party with some

57:46

of with guess there's

57:48

i was opposed to go to

57:50

a party with our aviation school

57:53

trainees apparently so

57:56

it yeah i guess so that

57:58

was the original plan but

58:00

then he found out about a pond have dana's

58:03

pond house some rural as a pile

58:05

of house by the palm of his having party

58:07

or

58:08

though you know they said i didn't think

58:11

cards survey that basically vector been

58:13

parties as place gotten trashed and they said

58:15

no our parties as girl was going have any any more

58:17

but now she's decided that she's going to have a party against

58:19

it one more again let's go let's do it here

58:21

are they were told by the way i

58:24

that oh it's select group of people know

58:26

crave the can't bring all your friends think crazy

58:29

west as teenagers you know that means

58:31

seven hundred people show up service

58:33

it's impossible some go to this party

58:35

but can't tell you about it and

58:37

, i tell me i also learned oh

58:40

and yes i'll follow you daylights omega

58:42

they'll tell everyone else so south

58:45

crystal said yeah right said yeah so

58:47

got my car back you know i guess we'll

58:49

go that's where everybody's going to be and

58:51

you know the

58:52

rigours now let's do it so

58:54

i'm anyway they i see

58:56

cause or carla's mom carl call

58:59

her mom from carla's mom says eleven

59:01

fifteen the out be home side's this

59:03

as a curfew they said i catch

59:05

the entire time carlin crystal and make

59:07

small talk at the party so nobody's

59:10

really into partying mood i

59:13

would say carla's boyfriend is there's

59:15

well ah hanging out as well

59:17

as buff fifty people there i'm

59:20

, is crystal very excited by having

59:22

a car back and says he's psyched

59:24

about that that a

59:26

guy shows up named up sammy

59:28

the guy she likes another guy ceilings

59:31

here ceilings saw minority that crystallized

59:34

he's here eyes of the party with another girl

59:37

the she's like dammit the

59:39

as i guess they had been on and off

59:41

for a couple years crystal and sammy and

59:44

several basically that's

59:46

the way of the book puts it is that had are heartbroken

59:48

by him several times hers is one of those

59:51

yep that charming

59:53

guy but i'm basically

59:55

hooked up with crystal when it was convenient is

59:57

the way they put it and as

1:00:00

insects that sorta thing then he would ignore

1:00:02

her and you know he's

1:00:04

a dick he's a dick to as

1:00:06

realise how valuable sex as playboy

1:00:09

sammy

1:00:10

yeah play the sam allowed over here say

1:00:12

for two years to thinks , hot

1:00:14

ship yourself ah carla

1:00:16

of course being crystals thus ran

1:00:18

hate sammy with if you know searing

1:00:20

passion images of had conversations

1:00:23

with her about you you fucking jerk hear

1:00:25

how many times we sat at denny's while she tried

1:00:27

to the you you fucking jackass i've

1:00:30

eaten so many bad french fries why

1:00:32

so many early for i saw moist

1:00:34

i'm into my son

1:00:36

god so crystal then

1:00:38

would say you know i know you're right won't see

1:00:40

sammy in the next thing you know she's hangouts

1:00:42

so it's that relationship

1:00:44

so and sammy ignored crystal

1:00:46

all through this part wouldn't even acknowledge

1:00:49

your presence so i'm you

1:00:51

know carla's getting mad sami's on date

1:00:53

so he's i can acknowledge there's no

1:00:55

i'm so at one

1:00:57

point i'm the girl

1:00:59

who there's with sammy

1:01:02

sit down between crystal and

1:01:04

sorry i'm sorry sits down the couch

1:01:06

next to crystal she didn't know anything see of

1:01:08

know that they were over host up though

1:01:12

sammy weighs that girl over and

1:01:14

they she gets up and walks over to my don't sit

1:01:16

next to her shit ,

1:01:18

it as you know value that shit and all of these

1:01:20

are you talking about yeah

1:01:23

the just before eleven crystals like

1:01:25

i whenever you want go carlo was get the fuck

1:01:27

outta here you , it's getting

1:01:29

close to your curfew anyway so they

1:01:31

walk out and they drive off basically

1:01:33

marry again south crystal turns

1:01:35

into the mall parking lot just about eleven

1:01:38

sixteen and drops karloff

1:01:40

at her car car so be home

1:01:42

by eleven thirty eleven you

1:01:44

know that was at sea carla says what can do

1:01:46

now crystal says i don't know maybe get

1:01:48

some eat er og find something to do for

1:01:50

little while to be handled twelve

1:01:52

thirty so thirty don't want be home yet by ongoing

1:01:55

car or my yeah i'm having or my time

1:01:57

he said yeah she's and i have

1:01:59

my car that gonna want to do that then

1:02:01

or friend was like you're not gonna party are you

1:02:03

tell me you're not going back to the party to try to talk

1:02:05

to savvy and season i promise i won't go back

1:02:07

the party's i thought the sammy i swear

1:02:09

to god and she goes now now

1:02:11

i'll probably go try gets i mean i'm sorrow on in

1:02:13

somebody in have somebody dokdo don't

1:02:16

, it's or friend says be careful and

1:02:18

crystal says i only had one beer i'm good

1:02:20

i'm not going to crash in any paul's or

1:02:22

anything like that south very ago

1:02:25

ah crystal waited current are crystal

1:02:27

way to carla got in her car started drives

1:02:29

away to eric everybody says you

1:02:31

know that's supposed us and

1:02:35

drives away into the night here you

1:02:37

know so i'm anyway

1:02:40

i now crystal here are

1:02:42

by the way she

1:02:45

, are we'll we'll talk about this is minute here

1:02:47

with three thirty am she

1:02:50

still at home gristle as a problem

1:02:52

three thirty three thirty am

1:02:54

a yeah three thirty am her

1:02:57

mom a bonny fe

1:02:59

a stressful a and bonnie fe body

1:03:01

fe calls nine one one three

1:03:03

thirty am and says gotta help me please

1:03:05

you have helped me find my daughter she's a very

1:03:08

upset i'm she's you

1:03:10

know in a in a hold on ,

1:03:12

mind because she's we've

1:03:14

she's been arrested for a wrecking or

1:03:16

yeah and this the first weekend back with

1:03:18

the car i obviously a little

1:03:20

bit of trust is gone a yeah i'm

1:03:22

terrified i'm where i guess something that maybe

1:03:24

she's wrapped around another telephone pole that's what

1:03:26

happened last time and it's a rural area nobody

1:03:29

maybe saw her she could be a bleeding out in car

1:03:31

somewhere we don't know so they

1:03:33

said that she was so panicked on

1:03:35

the phone that they couldn't even tell if it was a male

1:03:37

or female caller they couldn't even make out like anything

1:03:39

that was going on on somehow

1:03:41

in the panic she said my daughter went to a party tonight

1:03:44

and she ain't come home yet that's

1:03:46

the line on the recordings so i'm

1:03:48

she said so was with her friend carla

1:03:50

allen they said when's last time you saw

1:03:52

your daughter and she said they went to party together

1:03:55

and they laughed drove back the mall at about eleven

1:03:57

fifteen so car that could get car then daughter

1:03:59

drove off that last time anybody seen south

1:04:04

so the what she stands goes on to say

1:04:06

i called carla she'd seen

1:04:08

her i called her best i called her friend

1:04:10

can register as he a seat

1:04:12

neither they said ma'am

1:04:14

what your daughter's name and she said she's driving brand

1:04:16

new car that i giver and

1:04:20

was or nay him yeah

1:04:22

so they say they think she has she has problem

1:04:24

because he's not answering questions they say loud

1:04:26

slow what kind of car is

1:04:28

it ma'am like clearly and

1:04:31

see said it's a blue new one of

1:04:33

them toyotas celica as i just gotta

1:04:35

far as a graduation present to

1:04:37

got her name on the back of it on the license

1:04:39

plate it says see time though

1:04:42

i'm yeah the the guy

1:04:44

says hold on mrs todd mrs

1:04:47

body say todd say todd you see

1:04:49

says yeah he goes this is mike mike he'll

1:04:51

remember me i taught crystal piano

1:04:54

when she was just a little bitty thanks

1:04:57

our i call nine one one operator they

1:04:59

know you but

1:05:02

enough with the reunion know that who

1:05:04

gives a fuck get the fully

1:05:07

and my daughter and then he goes on

1:05:09

to say remember she wanted play

1:05:11

for the church and he says

1:05:13

she says oh yeah mike well good

1:05:15

a i'm glad i'm sure glad got somebody

1:05:17

i know which would make you feel better somebody

1:05:19

that you know they might actually

1:05:21

give a shit to find this per your ten i'm

1:05:23

all the you would hope that missing child the police

1:05:26

would immediately picked that verizon

1:05:28

yeah who knows she said though i'm

1:05:30

sure glad i got somebody i know i'm worried sick about

1:05:32

crystal do you think can help find her a

1:05:35

she said i drove everywhere and called

1:05:37

them all and ain't nobody's seen her she said

1:05:39

i just know something has happened to her and

1:05:41

if she's dead or something i'll kill myself

1:05:44

so , says now now bonnie fe fe

1:05:47

because she's in name is bonnie fe by they're not

1:05:49

just bonnie a let's not get carried

1:05:51

away that's not get carried away boniface

1:05:53

sounds like country song let's

1:05:56

not get carried

1:05:58

away

1:06:00

how do you say i don't

1:06:02

love her i love

1:06:04

you

1:06:05

i'm in the and

1:06:09

known operator jada doubts on

1:06:11

the right that song writer says writer teach ins

1:06:13

views ins hold on hold on wait wait aqim

1:06:15

submitted to com way to have it from armani

1:06:17

gotta go

1:06:18

he he said i'll tell you what if

1:06:21

every starts i'll tell you what's as soon

1:06:23

as she karma harm comes home call

1:06:25

me and i'll see if a patrol mix and come out

1:06:27

there and will give her a good scare just

1:06:29

in case ever thinks upon stunt like this again

1:06:32

this is what he says that's what said see

1:06:34

said would you michael that be so nice

1:06:36

what know you're lying what see

1:06:39

, he said you know i will body say

1:06:41

and he said you know hope now be that

1:06:44

he said i'm going now be you give me

1:06:46

a call back when she comes and you hear not

1:06:48

doesn't take any kind of report know as this

1:06:51

allowed to hustle back and forth

1:06:53

in there will scare the tar out of her and like

1:06:55

what you talking about offense

1:06:58

how have your proof or things an

1:07:00

exam calming her down and say don't

1:07:02

worry so be there in a minute i

1:07:05

mailed armistice that smith says

1:07:08

it's and it's don't know where she is did you miss

1:07:10

that part that all what the fuck you talk

1:07:12

about season missing for missing for

1:07:14

foresee left more boring loss nobody's

1:07:16

heard or seen from earth don't worry you

1:07:18

call me back later and was

1:07:21

all right and he even said i'm going to go now

1:07:24

it's really sad i'm hanging out now

1:07:26

he said i'm going now but you

1:07:28

give me a call back when she comes in your hair

1:07:31

no no to

1:07:33

stay on the line what you talking about

1:07:35

your you're telling me that you're sending an officer over

1:07:37

gonna take a report and we're going figure it out he

1:07:39

says everybody knows crystal miss bonnie

1:07:41

she's good girl she's not the type to

1:07:43

get involved a get involved with trouble or somebody

1:07:46

up to no good what ,

1:07:48

sometimes it's not her choice talking

1:07:51

about the she thanked them and hung

1:07:53

up the phone

1:07:55

rather go and your terrible at job

1:07:58

cause you to have you

1:08:00

could you pass me to someone who doesn't know my

1:08:02

daughter so maybe those as take

1:08:04

, as missing person that like offer to

1:08:06

put some country wisdom in your lives

1:08:08

he gets home from her like what we talking about

1:08:11

about scared straight sets now

1:08:14

us who have let's find your first said

1:08:16

thought about that our it's sid never

1:08:18

go and get murdered or nelson what looked

1:08:20

like everybody else as well as sees the

1:08:22

top to go off and get murdered like i've never

1:08:25

heard it's never been quote

1:08:27

on our show will seize the type to go off and get murdered

1:08:29

i expect that from

1:08:33

no ones that are like i cannot

1:08:35

believe that was this guy's reaction

1:08:37

to this is a you bodies they are don't

1:08:39

you worry sounds you are yourself

1:08:42

with i am fine don't worry a hair on your little have

1:08:45

she hung up the phone was like alright bye

1:08:49

mom so , made several

1:08:51

more insists i know back the

1:08:53

phone calls as use investigator yourselves

1:08:55

he's not going to just go away till she gets home she's

1:08:57

calling all crystal friends any ones he has

1:08:59

a phone number for i'm and becoming

1:09:01

desperate every time she hears nope last time

1:09:03

saw as at the party eleven o'clock at so everybody

1:09:05

says finally about eight

1:09:08

am she called nine one called nine

1:09:10

and this time she said quote

1:09:12

i can't take it no more why won't you

1:09:14

do something about to go crazy

1:09:17

for worry she home yet i know

1:09:19

somebody got her somewhere and she's dead

1:09:21

i know she's dead this is different

1:09:23

dispatcher he so he's like name

1:09:26

like you i don't even know you're talking about at

1:09:28

all don't play piano the dress

1:09:30

side of the i had an hour saw

1:09:32

, morning guy wade petty is his name

1:09:35

he drove out to to

1:09:37

other them the dispatcher asked this

1:09:39

guy wade petty uniformed officer with county

1:09:42

police to drive out to thousand talked or so

1:09:46

c is overdue for several hours

1:09:48

but there's no a missing persons

1:09:50

report could be filed here

1:09:53

you know they could do that thou buy gas

1:09:55

but the guy

1:09:57

doing they have to write to see tie innovate

1:10:00

they do that by me and yes he can theirs and they

1:10:02

can do that so ,

1:10:04

police officer yeah heads

1:10:06

out towards that direction go talk to

1:10:08

or are they arrive at they residence

1:10:10

this is from the book a description of the

1:10:12

todd residents exact quote

1:10:14

residents great trailer home with lattice underpinnings

1:10:17

which we describe millions of times self

1:10:19

he know ah this know ah the cops

1:10:21

notes he noted no visible signs

1:10:23

of disrepair although the house look like

1:10:25

was more than twenty years old the yard

1:10:27

was small and bordered on the front

1:10:29

by a six foot drainage ditch down

1:10:32

each side of a hodgepodge shrubs

1:10:34

on the front side of house was a narrow

1:10:36

wouldn't porch less than fifty feet

1:10:38

away adjacent to the trailer house was

1:10:40

an older weathered farmhouse partially

1:10:43

shaded by for huge oak trees

1:10:45

a farmhouse had an open front porch

1:10:47

with to read wouldn't couches read

1:10:50

wouldn't couches yeah that's a

1:10:52

wooden wouldn't couches

1:10:54

call the bench last time i checked

1:10:56

that is the last time i know the ones

1:10:58

a dog involvement idea is

1:11:00

it's picnic table construction taxonomic

1:11:03

out it's those things let's all make

1:11:05

deal cushions make accounts he but is

1:11:07

there anything

1:11:09

else is bad school we don't make that deal

1:11:11

is so we know we're all talking about lot

1:11:13

nicer suppose that makes gal

1:11:15

consists of yeah her bolstering other

1:11:17

one of the is that it's it's it's it's

1:11:19

like a bunch of that point wow

1:11:23

i hand cranked water pump rose

1:11:25

from a four inch black pipe behind

1:11:27

the house officer petty could see converted

1:11:29

barn sheltering barn rusty automobile

1:11:32

and directly behind that and old splintered

1:11:34

broken through tobacco barn and

1:11:36

old white dog position to soak

1:11:38

in morning sun lifted his head and briefly

1:11:40

i'd the officer has very from the bucks

1:11:42

and far as far as as as sorry

1:11:44

my brain may be of might be a find skill

1:11:47

yeah to pick it up man

1:11:49

so body fade describes crystal

1:11:51

seventeen years old brown hair blue

1:11:53

eyes she says about five three

1:11:55

but hundred fifteen pounds little you

1:11:57

know i'm she said she's

1:11:59

wearing blue jeans i'm some

1:12:01

kind of print on our shirts brown

1:12:03

shoes white sox know

1:12:06

teenager stuff the southern uniform yeah

1:12:08

had brown leather jacket weather driving

1:12:10

your car said they called

1:12:12

her girlfriends are she said she said her girlfriends

1:12:15

are all eager to help and they are all you

1:12:17

know they're all are outright now driving

1:12:19

around places looking for her like a the teenage

1:12:21

girls are all over the place crystal as a million friends

1:12:24

everybody likes crystal by the way so people

1:12:26

are willing to go out at nine

1:12:28

o'clock on a sunday morning and go search for that

1:12:30

which is which is great i'm they

1:12:32

did say that the the officer

1:12:34

said he remembered seeing a metallic blue

1:12:36

toyota parked in the schoolyard earlier

1:12:38

that morning like the parking lot

1:12:40

of school and he hadn't

1:12:42

seen anything suspicious about it but he did not

1:12:45

see anybody in it either so i'm

1:12:47

at nine fifteen a

1:12:49

the phone rang bonnie raitt hr fe

1:12:51

runs inside says it might crystal hm

1:12:53

you know which yeah fair so

1:12:56

i'm anyway she comes back

1:12:58

few minutes later and a

1:13:00

blue plymouth sundance pulls

1:13:02

up not too

1:13:04

bad to the zoo boniface been waiting for she

1:13:07

, here he is that's one of crystals

1:13:09

best friends i just bet he

1:13:11

can help us find crystal and

1:13:14

it is a a sunburn

1:13:16

young man with sandy blonde hair steps

1:13:18

out it's can register he

1:13:20

says hi i'm can register ah

1:13:22

he says i was on my way to church and

1:13:24

dom a friend the crystals him

1:13:26

so what's up with this now

1:13:29

is little more than friends with crystal to actually

1:13:31

because they have ah they've

1:13:34

dated in the past or my age of my

1:13:36

relationship yeah is eighteen seventeen

1:13:38

that's mine i'm and seats

1:13:40

on he say logs that

1:13:42

one points even said when they broke up she

1:13:44

was like one you go out with him war you know

1:13:46

what's up with that and she said

1:13:49

a quote i don't want to date can no more mama

1:13:51

ah she said that he stinks like cigarettes

1:13:53

and only wants to do is have sex i told him

1:13:55

now i put girl

1:13:58

on dance yeah he said

1:14:00

by me and i want to hop on him says he is like

1:14:02

man fuck i don't want to be or how can fuck

1:14:04

i'm in southern smoke again cause we just walked

1:14:07

though

1:14:08

i'm body phase said see

1:14:10

like can see encourage crystal day

1:14:12

them but crystal told

1:14:14

her they can only behaved nicely at home

1:14:17

and body fatal crystal as he's right

1:14:19

not to go out them anymore she said the ones

1:14:21

who are nice us around home or off in the

1:14:23

ones that the meanest when they're away from

1:14:25

people thou yeah

1:14:27

i vague they saw each other occasionally still

1:14:30

our kids real busy get job at

1:14:32

the san te cooper electric company

1:14:34

he's got a fucking job at electric companies

1:14:36

got curfew

1:14:37

i work the electric company what you talking

1:14:40

about he was that homes or was

1:14:42

he works just as my roof uma bama

1:14:45

rule

1:14:46

i could be electrocuted at work you

1:14:48

understand that i , be home

1:14:50

at twelve thirty first hit your own place

1:14:52

also can that's the other tanks says the work

1:14:54

of the electric company gets your own blair he's

1:14:56

handsome he's apparently paying for college

1:14:58

to he's going the evening classes that i'd

1:15:00

are hori georgetown technical

1:15:02

college and he's got new

1:15:04

ah girlfriend as well who's

1:15:07

cheerleader from a high school

1:15:09

and and i and and i i

1:15:11

i hey nor a while and l r

1:15:13

get a girlfriend you've got girlfriend

1:15:16

yeah and he's and he's bugging on on

1:15:18

the girl as we were tammy member

1:15:20

oh that's yeah damning that sam had a girlfriend

1:15:22

or dot actually have cheerleader that's of his own

1:15:24

back full circle years ago for her father were

1:15:27

first full circle in here so don't be vague

1:15:29

with slack in zambia knows enemies or of they

1:15:31

are gonna say i was gonna say about

1:15:33

savvy from race attract with of your out of gosh

1:15:35

way as good

1:15:38

are uncomfortable social thousand sided

1:15:40

mean you should have known i meant i was got masses masses

1:15:43

, yeah anyway

1:15:45

they i can stops

1:15:47

by the todd's house all the time here even

1:15:49

when crystals that there just

1:15:51

start by him you know whatever

1:15:55

he stopped by the day crystal to get a license

1:15:57

back but she wanted ride to the

1:15:59

department motor vehicles and he had to go

1:16:01

somewhere else we can take her ah

1:16:03

crystal when in the house car

1:16:06

was ready when she got it told mother the candid

1:16:08

approach sure about dating again and

1:16:10

her mom said he must think an awful lot of you

1:16:12

to wanna go with you and the

1:16:15

face adviser a day than other girls are not

1:16:17

interested and that's where it stops there

1:16:19

so here he is i'm can register the

1:16:22

go and i'm can register lv a nice

1:16:24

to meet his shit right though

1:16:26

i'm she said yeah i'm so glad

1:16:28

you yeah now you can she said crystal

1:16:31

isn't of mother the mother body said crystal

1:16:33

still isn't a crystal still a home yet

1:16:35

so maybe you can tell this policemen were

1:16:37

you think that we might could find like

1:16:41

a finer says so said it

1:16:43

varies the i everybody in the sounds

1:16:45

very southern it's a very southern and can says

1:16:47

can't tell you much i graduated from

1:16:49

high school last year and don't hang around with

1:16:51

crystal and her friends anymore the only

1:16:53

thing i could tell you that would help is

1:16:55

about few parties and i heard about last

1:16:57

night a good check those as of the racetrack

1:16:59

basically so

1:17:01

, the cop leaned up against cans car

1:17:04

and talk for about ten minutes about location

1:17:06

of parties and and know who crystal

1:17:08

hangs out with where she might have gone on

1:17:10

while he's talking the copy does something extremely

1:17:13

weird that find very strange he

1:17:15

lights two cigarettes and gives

1:17:17

one the body say and body smokes now

1:17:21

okay if someone asked for cigarette

1:17:23

and want a cigarette you give them cigarette

1:17:26

and then you even if you're gentle they are being

1:17:28

gentleman with an older woman you light her cigarette

1:17:30

for your lights somebody cigarette for them we didn't want

1:17:32

to blame your your liar grew up in the mouth right

1:17:34

with it in her mouth but you don't light it in

1:17:36

your mouth and then handed them so you do

1:17:38

that after you just fuck somebody you're

1:17:42

, i mean mean

1:17:44

why it's like not only yeah

1:17:46

i was just inside you and then here's a cigarette

1:17:48

that i had my mouth also otherwise this is

1:17:50

creepy rights it's the my wrong

1:17:53

says it's growth it's weird

1:17:55

right i've done to assess i've

1:17:57

done have nots not after voting on

1:18:00

went to cigarettes and headed to friend before

1:18:03

the right to handle yeah but see your

1:18:05

friend's mom know ex girlfriend's

1:18:07

mom know that's my point is

1:18:09

a weird thing is if it's a weird

1:18:11

thing to do for do with someone's

1:18:13

sorry there's an artist your daughter here

1:18:15

put this in her mouth don't do that novel

1:18:18

that strange south

1:18:20

, said quote i don't know too much about those

1:18:22

parties for the people or the people

1:18:24

who go there because that's not my thing anymore

1:18:27

body fe called me last night nasby

1:18:29

the go help her look for crystal ball my mom

1:18:31

didn't want me to go back out the night air because

1:18:33

i had taken a cold cold guess

1:18:35

means he caught cold taken one that

1:18:37

sounds like it was on purpose like it was on the south

1:18:39

i was like twelve on cold tonight nice said you

1:18:41

know what fuck and i grabbed it now my car

1:18:43

wanna grab that cold man sits

1:18:45

on the don't need our damn

1:18:48

and ship some friends and for

1:18:50

now more pay for it so on

1:18:52

he said so on her when i had heard

1:18:55

about the party's i also told road call the hospital

1:18:57

to see if press the was there and the cops

1:18:59

said did you did you call the hospital when he

1:19:01

said yes sir i called but told me there

1:19:03

was no one there by that name in the emergency room

1:19:05

fun i called miss body and told her that

1:19:08

this body they said about

1:19:10

what time was that he said oh about one

1:19:12

fifteen or some time afterwards and

1:19:14

he said you can talk to my mom she was there with

1:19:16

me the they wrote down his phone number

1:19:19

and he said wish i could tell you more officer

1:19:21

but don't know anything about where she was last

1:19:23

night or anything about the party school was that

1:19:25

themselves in a cell i can do

1:19:28

he shook hands with copy hugged bonnie

1:19:30

faith told not to worry he

1:19:32

said go crystals probably at friend's house

1:19:34

and just fell asleep i'm sure she'll be okay

1:19:36

after church or come back and help you look for

1:19:38

his of yeah maybe she tied one

1:19:41

on and because she got that the why should and one

1:19:43

a fucking tell you cause you'd beating on mean

1:19:45

maybe season hung over passed out at somebody's house

1:19:47

it happens we'll figure it out south of

1:19:50

, bonnie faith thanked him and

1:19:52

see said quote you're the best friend crystal

1:19:55

as ever had can i just don't know what

1:19:57

she would ever do without you are itself

1:20:00

that same day couple hours

1:20:02

while actually about an hour later as

1:20:04

when the allen brothers find

1:20:07

a body out here

1:20:10

nine am nine a m same

1:20:12

time ah so anyway

1:20:15

they active

1:20:17

and the allen's have now to get

1:20:20

our parallel to this the allen's the lloyd

1:20:22

senior lawyer jr and void

1:20:24

sister have the all

1:20:26

taken this cop out to where they found this that

1:20:29

body nom here so

1:20:31

the cop is looking down the it

1:20:33

out down the dirt lane and immediately think

1:20:35

and holy shit how hell are going preserve evidence out

1:20:37

here number one these two brothers

1:20:39

have been fucking traipsing about it's outdoors

1:20:42

or swear core and i wouldn't

1:20:44

have corn dogs on the ground as i

1:20:46

, process that evidence so

1:20:49

we don't know what it's made of sir we tried tried

1:20:53

ran it through the lab or were were stumped

1:20:55

frankly we win another one from those

1:20:57

chemical or the occupiers or whatever

1:20:59

it's called couldn't find out what it's what

1:21:01

the strangest thing there's definitely no corn

1:21:05

ah happened but there's no grogan

1:21:08

as the very little dog but we did find

1:21:10

some dog were thinking it is a

1:21:12

sharp hey possibly of shout outs

1:21:17

and i will go back to your memory work rather just

1:21:19

have long as mode where guess and wiener

1:21:21

dog view , are you

1:21:23

i heard that case and oh

1:21:27

man so i've got this

1:21:29

officer the he's shown the place

1:21:31

and dumb

1:21:33

know he sees all this is like all

1:21:35

my god this is obviously it's a fucking

1:21:37

nightmare i mean this is horrible

1:21:40

there's blood pooled and the road blood soaking

1:21:42

everywhere of circling around the body

1:21:45

i'm a the cop knew right away there

1:21:47

can't be any more blood miss by others puddles

1:21:49

giants finals of one everywhere he

1:21:52

thought this thought this why

1:21:54

did somebody do this this is obviously not

1:21:56

a away to do this is our drugs

1:21:58

and not just silencing by a

1:22:00

bf this is a horrible fucking brutal

1:22:03

overkill it's mean there's the intestines

1:22:06

, taken out like that's not normal normal

1:22:08

they said judging by the job that marks

1:22:11

on dirt road they think this victim had

1:22:13

been had struggled with the

1:22:15

assailant before she was killed drag

1:22:17

marks to the debts approximately ten feet

1:22:19

from the bloodstains indicated that she

1:22:21

was dragged to the debts while dying or

1:22:23

dead possibly and i'll obviously

1:22:25

that to conceal body the position

1:22:28

of the body in the debts indicated that

1:22:30

she was thrown or heaved

1:22:32

into the five foot detroit debts ravine

1:22:34

that placed as tossed into that's

1:22:36

like a beggar garbage on there

1:22:39

were tire marks in the dirt and sand

1:22:41

on the right road possibly including

1:22:43

those are the hunters thou that's the thing they are no elses

1:22:45

them back them the pact soil

1:22:48

would probably make a tire and footprint identification

1:22:50

difficult if not impossible as it's not

1:22:53

dusty act down pretty good

1:22:55

south you're not going to get a lot out it's

1:22:57

ah the lack of tire the

1:22:59

you know marks are prince through the blood

1:23:01

and the narrow road indicated that the probable

1:23:03

that was probably where they stop was pre that

1:23:06

and as in south the physician

1:23:08

the bloodstain relative to the probable

1:23:10

parking spots suggested that the struggle

1:23:13

had started in one spot and moved to

1:23:15

the final murder locations they

1:23:18

, a gold colored herringbone

1:23:20

necklace to probably they said last

1:23:22

when the victims throat was slashed because

1:23:24

her throat slashed as well talk about the

1:23:26

wounds and was found next

1:23:28

to the bloodstain also gold

1:23:30

hearing found on the ground close to the body

1:23:33

as well now the evidence

1:23:35

teams talked about that this

1:23:37

is possibly a sex related crime

1:23:39

with the partial clothing hair i

1:23:41

even found with her belt and blue jeans

1:23:43

on fast and then pull down around her hips

1:23:45

and shirt was pulls up and torn

1:23:48

along with her bra pulled up and all of that

1:23:50

and buttons from her shirt or missing which missing sign

1:23:52

was ripped open the

1:23:55

large amount of blood on her face and a

1:23:57

what they described as a gaping three to

1:23:59

four inch oh across the throat area

1:24:02

they are throated been

1:24:04

slashed they think more than once that's

1:24:08

fucking bathers stavros several stab

1:24:10

wounds and slash wounds in the abdomen area

1:24:12

i thought to the stomach that

1:24:15

is you , like said disemboweling

1:24:17

martin ah i'm and

1:24:19

i have bloodstained fingerprints on her

1:24:21

left side under her arm like on a raptor

1:24:23

my the arm and tosser autopsy

1:24:27

said that i'm here once

1:24:29

they figure it out this it's crystal by

1:24:31

the way mrs vs crystal say they signed

1:24:33

out when they do they autopsy obviously

1:24:36

fucking horrible man arms the

1:24:39

autopsy revealed i that

1:24:42

her outer skin was first examined

1:24:44

for cuts bruises wounds and puncture marks

1:24:46

there were thirty five separate

1:24:48

cuts and stab wounds thirty five

1:24:51

thirty five seven bruises

1:24:53

and three abrasions this is

1:24:55

really the teaser somebody attacked

1:24:57

the hell out some of the wounds are

1:24:59

made before she died some while

1:25:02

she died and some after all my

1:25:04

guess is as the an attack on

1:25:06

her face had been caught on her left cheek

1:25:09

on her right eyebrow below the right

1:25:11

eye and below the inside corner of the

1:25:13

right i she had bruises on

1:25:15

her left temple upper and lower lip right

1:25:17

eyebrow right upper eyelid and in the right

1:25:19

temporal area there were three knife

1:25:21

wounds to the neck any of which could have been fatal

1:25:24

all three of the our throats slashing

1:25:26

thoughts had been moved from behind

1:25:28

her right ear down across the middle

1:25:30

front of her neck and up the left side of

1:25:32

her neck to me hi behind

1:25:35

them below the last year old lying around

1:25:37

all way around on the so

1:25:39

they couldn't measure the deaths of these three cats

1:25:41

basically she almost they almost

1:25:43

took her head off obviously yeah it was like

1:25:45

nicole simpson and that sounds awesome

1:25:49

after the sweeping motion of

1:25:51

the first got from ear to ear the knife had been inserted

1:25:53

into the caught for a second slashing motion

1:25:56

is that's i

1:25:58

can't tell then we inserted for yet third

1:26:00

slashing caught the knife

1:26:02

cut slab rat slash all the way through

1:26:04

the tissues including the windpipe and

1:26:07

nearly resulted in total decapitation

1:26:09

the medical examiner reported that the spinal column

1:26:12

and bones of the neck or are ah

1:26:14

we're all that had kept crystals had attached

1:26:16

her body is from it yeah

1:26:19

they they there was actual slices

1:26:22

into the bones of spinal column if got

1:26:24

sales hampering was people are capable

1:26:26

of that can isolate insane

1:26:29

are also six more stab wounds in

1:26:31

her chest measuring slightly more than a half

1:26:33

inch long and approximately two and quarter inches

1:26:35

deep one , the moon's products

1:26:37

rated the right long one nice thought

1:26:39

was made to the middle of the stomach under the breastbone

1:26:41

into the liver this is while she was still alive

1:26:44

by like ah twice

1:26:46

she'd been stabbed in the back with such force

1:26:48

that the night stuck into the bone the spinal

1:26:50

column another three

1:26:52

and steep wound was made between the ribs

1:26:55

and penetrated the aorta most

1:26:57

the and additional my plunges into her abdomen

1:26:59

mermaid after she had died and penetrated

1:27:01

delivering small bowel as it was

1:27:03

also to wounds and open up the abdomen

1:27:05

wall and that's why her intestines are

1:27:08

coming out liver did the have harvard

1:27:10

and blood it out it's wow

1:27:13

i'm they did a sample of or

1:27:15

budget no drugs or anything and her she was

1:27:17

positive for caffeine is as without

1:27:19

coffee and or something like that yeah but

1:27:21

nothing else in there are ,

1:27:24

bloodstains the crime scene rematch against

1:27:26

her blood so they made positive identification

1:27:28

this is when dnase just coming out of gonna

1:27:30

be a huge thing this case south south

1:27:33

the medical examiner spent three wounds on the

1:27:35

underside of her left hand wonder where thumb

1:27:37

wonder middle finger when we're ring finger

1:27:40

and they the police believe

1:27:42

that these were defensive wounds obviously

1:27:45

examination of the head showed

1:27:47

three stab wounds and left side that

1:27:49

penetrated the skull and past and were brain

1:27:51

wow man fuck man

1:27:53

that's fucking awful sit around

1:27:56

go right i i get has

1:27:58

to be yeah that's not like you good

1:28:00

day at work around and nine defy that his

1:28:02

rage one of the medical examiner

1:28:04

said that he had never in the four

1:28:06

hundred plus autopsies he performed

1:28:08

seen nice seen nice stabbed

1:28:11

so deeply penetrate the brain ever

1:28:14

i'm a quote was extraordinary

1:28:16

that so much power was used to actually penetrate

1:28:19

skull not once but three different times

1:28:22

oh my god they examined i

1:28:25

heard from her clothing noted that the was

1:28:27

nice holes in bloodied shirt aligned

1:28:29

with knife holes and back knife wounds and back

1:28:32

the alive as the holes in clothing gave him

1:28:34

idea about posture of her work

1:28:36

that how she wasn't she was stabbed ah

1:28:39

i'm so the basically

1:28:42

like they can tell what position she was and by

1:28:44

the way the shirt would line up on run immune

1:28:46

to stab wounds ah i'm they

1:28:48

ruled that the cause of death as

1:28:50

bleeding obviously odyssey bled

1:28:52

out ah , stay

1:28:55

concluded that she was conscious during the

1:28:57

several minutes tough for her to die hards

1:28:59

cotton stabbed repeatedly as she lay bleeding

1:29:01

and die die fucking

1:29:04

horrible oh it gets worse

1:29:06

jimmy ah do is also

1:29:08

ah do was also terrible sexual

1:29:10

attack as well positive for same

1:29:13

the everywhere every possible

1:29:15

play sick of meanwhile damn significant

1:29:19

bruising around the virginal and rectal

1:29:21

areas as well from blunt force monster

1:29:25

a it was it was i'm a

1:29:27

fucking horrible so and they found

1:29:29

in our seem in there and everything

1:29:31

else south they said that

1:29:33

are v pathologist determined

1:29:35

in had been a quote very controlled and deliberate

1:29:38

attack

1:29:39

so they are like holy shit this is

1:29:41

this is horrible like this is the yeah

1:29:43

we gotta we gotta figure out or who dennis

1:29:46

because this person is dangerous

1:29:49

this is a this is fuckin this

1:29:51

is what ted bundy's rowdies look like

1:29:53

i'd and this is the type place they would be found

1:29:55

out i mean this morning this is that this

1:29:57

as bad as is real bad as a scary

1:30:00

everybody not only obviously in her family

1:30:02

the damage think of they are different

1:30:04

but i mean just as anybody in public

1:30:06

you're thinking holy shit so

1:30:09

, took thirty eight photographs of body from

1:30:11

several angles and ah videotape the crime

1:30:13

scene plaster casts made of the

1:30:15

footprints entire impressions and a but

1:30:17

small envelopes of dirt and plastic bags

1:30:20

like they were not fucking around here this was

1:30:23

was day yeah seen on t v were

1:30:25

doing all of all back

1:30:27

the real deal have a big enough bag

1:30:29

for this round me because i wanted all our

1:30:32

average drop average dirt take weird

1:30:34

drop a again and exact oh not and were caught

1:30:36

the first the top

1:30:38

it's a top soil off the top of tell you

1:30:40

whether we're gonna backhoe this whole

1:30:42

lot

1:30:44

because if as they they want find who the

1:30:46

fuck is this yeah though

1:30:48

they did that the plaster casts

1:30:50

small and loves the dirt dirt for swabs

1:30:52

were taken from the blood the road additional

1:30:54

swabs are taken from a brick found the golly

1:30:57

along or the road here also

1:31:00

, were to condom packages and one

1:31:02

condom and a black and orange

1:31:04

piece of material because

1:31:06

the crime scene also showed seen

1:31:08

signs of struggle they have hair and

1:31:10

skin they said maybe under her fingernails

1:31:13

at the trying to get blood from somebody

1:31:15

else and ship from under fingernails sounds

1:31:17

like an orange piece of material the

1:31:20

a piece of material is always said here now

1:31:22

the officer in one officer says to the other

1:31:24

officer you can probably changed report on that

1:31:26

missing girl i think we found our answer

1:31:28

, do they change are officially from a

1:31:31

i missing person to a murder victim

1:31:33

at this point south south have

1:31:35

to go notify poor bonafide this

1:31:39

horrible this is gonna be as

1:31:41

some mrs bad south i'm

1:31:43

, said i'm sorry as isn't the same

1:31:46

guy who went out sound the body he said i'm

1:31:48

i'm sorry to have to bring this bad news

1:31:50

to you miss todd and see said

1:31:52

you found my crystal and she's dead ain't

1:31:54

shit and i'm he said

1:31:57

yes it's my unfortunate responsibility will

1:31:59

formulate your daughter and found dead and

1:32:01

see says ya better come in and invites

1:32:03

them inside this inside this horrible so they talk

1:32:05

to her the and

1:32:08

she said jesus

1:32:10

christ he said i don't want to live neither at this point

1:32:13

dam she's apoplectic apoplectic

1:32:15

they're they don't know what to do i you know

1:32:17

they're trying to helper and

1:32:19

now my guess console

1:32:22

her the best you can do here i'm

1:32:25

so she finally she starts crying after

1:32:27

awhile here and dumb though

1:32:30

he said them to rise to tell

1:32:32

her what he knew what he knows here

1:32:35

he said this is what we found out so far crystal

1:32:37

attended a party with a friend and

1:32:39

then dropped her off at the mall pick up her

1:32:41

car and that was the last time anyone reported seeing

1:32:43

her alive that's all we know and

1:32:45

you told us that is or anything else is there

1:32:47

anything you could think and she

1:32:50

said crystal always loved parties to

1:32:52

love to talk to her friends on phone and ride around

1:32:54

with them on friday saturday nights now

1:32:57

i'm the ah she talks he's a crystal didn't

1:32:59

didn't who are like for

1:33:01

boys or girls to be jealous of other friends

1:33:03

because she wanted to have lot of friends it

1:33:05

didn't matter she loved children and animals

1:33:08

people of all ages they loved her to

1:33:10

and i mean i said as he sounds like a wonderful

1:33:12

person they said his or anything else

1:33:14

you can tell us about your daughter that would help us

1:33:16

find her killer and she said while

1:33:18

quote are no are nothing

1:33:21

but she used be the assisted piano player

1:33:23

in church but she didn't want to do it no more i

1:33:25

believe some of friends are could

1:33:27

made fun of her ah i don't know she

1:33:30

didn't like to the didn't like

1:33:32

too many black people in

1:33:35

like too many like didn't have lot

1:33:37

of black friends still like the many black

1:33:39

people in the same places around the

1:33:42

i see lot of different ways of can go was

1:33:44

go statement moniker get the idea is

1:33:47

com as she liked go to movies and

1:33:49

eat out that source that she likes

1:33:51

movies eating out and doesn't like black people

1:33:53

that the we're not on

1:33:55

and rates as a piano trainer at she

1:33:57

just she sorry give out any information he

1:33:59

answers and they'd have obvious you know normal

1:34:01

confusion and panic and i

1:34:03

think rattling off all kinds anything as

1:34:06

i am not saying that she thought about she's like

1:34:08

the most important thing is he doesn't like lads

1:34:10

now are saying but either way

1:34:12

she said she didn't like anyone to stare

1:34:14

at her when she was busy ah which

1:34:16

she got from me and would she got honest

1:34:18

for me the center

1:34:20

like okay let her talk police

1:34:23

then talk to carla who was with

1:34:25

her that night with crystal and carla

1:34:27

said wow oh

1:34:29

this boy was there but he wouldn't talk to her

1:34:31

i told he was no good but she likes

1:34:34

she liked them for some reason i could never

1:34:36

figure out why sammy bird is his

1:34:38

name he was there with another girl and

1:34:40

didn't even say hello to crystal the girl

1:34:42

even came sat the couch where we were

1:34:44

right beside crystal spinal think she

1:34:46

knew anything crystal certainly didn't say

1:34:48

anything the her it was shortly after that

1:34:50

the crystal told me she was ready to leave whenever

1:34:52

i was so when i told

1:34:54

her few minutes later i need to go get home on

1:34:57

time she jumped out practically ran

1:34:59

to the door though i'm

1:35:01

she said i was supposed to be home by eleven fifteen

1:35:03

but was little late we left and eleven

1:35:05

and back to the mall to my card eleven thirteen

1:35:08

as what should set in car when she started on that

1:35:10

was with her were that's funny thing is when you're a

1:35:12

teenager and laser and you know

1:35:14

exactly when you got my cards aren't allowed in like

1:35:16

spock it's a i you know exactly when was

1:35:19

that glowing digital display right

1:35:21

in the center of the car was set out for me

1:35:23

since i know bright bright

1:35:25

blue yeah you're right i just know

1:35:27

the old than that dangers number so

1:35:30

, ask for you i was she upset by seeing

1:35:32

sammy and that he talked to him to to argue

1:35:34

with maybe at the party party

1:35:37

carlos as know nothing that's what upset or

1:35:39

she saw him night before and

1:35:41

rode around with him in friend of his i don't

1:35:43

know who she said he was real nice to

1:35:45

her then i think she went to the party

1:35:47

hoping the see the and then she dead

1:35:49

news of another girl and ignoring her so she was

1:35:51

upset about it so they

1:35:53

said was or anyone else see my to talk to that maybe

1:35:55

she would see later as you know see like

1:35:58

exchange numbers or whatever the fuck him said

1:36:00

no i nobody saw nothing nobody that i

1:36:02

saw said ,

1:36:04

didn't get an argument with anybody was like girl

1:36:06

she bumped into maybe you know whatever she

1:36:08

said though she saw the castle times

1:36:10

of censored semi was there was girl that's all i

1:36:12

know that's it so they said were

1:36:14

sammy saw at the party when he left and

1:36:16

she said yeah he went back into the house

1:36:18

of his day earlier and that's the last time we

1:36:20

saw him him a civil would

1:36:22

you talk about on way to mall she said just a

1:36:24

regular i tried to get her to not beat i

1:36:27

saw upset over sammy i told

1:36:29

she was i was , was

1:36:31

she could do better in their me laugh little

1:36:33

them she seemed minute okay about and

1:36:36

ah she said knew she was sad but you know madigan

1:36:39

over shit basically so they said

1:36:41

it crystal say anything about she was going to do

1:36:43

when she left and they said no she usually

1:36:45

likes to eat or something like that didn't

1:36:47

have to be in insults like twelve thirty so

1:36:49

she just said she was going to look for something deal

1:36:52

something don't think she wanted be by yourself if

1:36:54

i had just and

1:36:56

then she trailed off like i did i do

1:36:59

they say well more questions you know anybody

1:37:01

that crystal hung around with that could do this kind

1:37:03

of thing like anybody maybe somebody

1:37:05

in a gang or a cult of sometimes

1:37:08

wow there is the one cult that

1:37:10

she hangs around with now but that god

1:37:12

now she starts with there's the other called

1:37:14

though that she used to hang out with like yes

1:37:17

he left a gangs and cults being a fucking

1:37:19

them or world teenage girl season

1:37:21

with all the gangs results like gangs

1:37:24

in the colts would been the first thing a dog about

1:37:26

don't think you would have heard sammy bird's name

1:37:28

if that things were around

1:37:30

here with well see as in cult that likes

1:37:32

to sacrifice seventeen year old girls

1:37:34

but mean besides that iraq i think amount

1:37:36

of the

1:37:39

dumb fuck inside as likewise city seasonal

1:37:41

lead with that was the so

1:37:44

this carla's with her dad during

1:37:46

the questioning state says that she looked

1:37:48

the click of cop like

1:37:50

the you have carpet five heads then turned

1:37:52

to her dad and said no i

1:37:54

i don't understand the question of soon

1:37:56

it really even understand like

1:37:58

ganger cold within talking about

1:38:01

so on and they should

1:38:03

know the details the murders she thought

1:38:05

at this point that scarlet had been

1:38:07

accidentally run over by car and left

1:38:09

to die in a ditch that was the rumor

1:38:11

that was going around that she was found

1:38:13

a ditch so ,

1:38:15

like why would cult hit someone a car lieberman

1:38:17

a debts or gang had sent a gang assassination

1:38:20

whatever the fuck so i'm

1:38:22

yeah then she didn't learn until later

1:38:25

on when she knocked his mom and everything like

1:38:27

thousand she said i wish

1:38:29

could help brown have any idea would want kill crystal

1:38:32

she had so many friends nobody everyone liked

1:38:34

or so back to the time house of

1:38:36

bonnie say here carla

1:38:38

goes over the house but bonnie fe

1:38:40

to pass serve condolences and all

1:38:42

that sort of shit or

1:38:44

crystals cousin kevin james out

1:38:46

there and there says in as being

1:38:48

fat funny and funny and

1:38:50

of rats on even death trying to

1:38:52

be fine it's have you

1:38:54

know they talked a little bit i there

1:38:57

and they

1:38:59

are they looked she looked down towards the

1:39:01

towards the bushes in there was somebody over

1:39:03

there is she said who's that and

1:39:06

the cousin said that's can thrown up the bushes

1:39:09

they said the caddesi sick

1:39:11

and the cousin said yes and later gave

1:39:14

him some punch that made him sick and can

1:39:16

okay so they're all

1:39:18

talking and ah the three of them are

1:39:20

talking and of the allen brothers

1:39:22

call to talk the bonnie faith during this time

1:39:24

that he blew found the bodies everybody

1:39:26

knows everybody okay oh

1:39:28

god what are they gonna say to her though there

1:39:31

aren't good person who found

1:39:35

the nurse and who found this

1:39:37

is correct yeah it's so weird that the person found

1:39:39

the body knows the mother and the mother knows

1:39:41

the night on one dispatcher does is all due to

1:39:44

watch i'm waiting for the mayor's show up and rights

1:39:46

around the crime scene and yes up evidence like

1:39:48

other episodes events episodes

1:39:51

they end up they're

1:39:53

desperate for information so

1:39:56

the allen brothers how

1:39:58

the shoes they said you know we don't wanna talk what

1:40:00

happened to insist on i want know that damage

1:40:02

they said or i will is what we saw sin

1:40:05

though she comes outside

1:40:08

and hangs up the phone and comes outside to

1:40:10

the kids are out there the teenagers at

1:40:12

kevin james in them that carla

1:40:14

and can and says

1:40:16

young ins and so she announces as

1:40:18

young as he said she was butchered like hard

1:40:22

was is a horrible thing mr

1:40:24

fuck in here i'm shirley

1:40:27

who is cans mother she was there was well she

1:40:29

most motion to can that she was gonna leave

1:40:31

at that point so can i

1:40:33

followed and he watched his mother sister

1:40:36

drive away and anyway

1:40:39

when kevin came out are they they came out the

1:40:41

house and i'm one

1:40:43

of his friends said hey can we going ride over

1:40:45

to collins joe a jolie where they

1:40:47

found crystal this morning want to go with us

1:40:50

who wants to go find the what

1:40:52

why why would you want do that he

1:40:54

said no don't think so y'all

1:40:56

go ahead and they said how come

1:40:58

you don't want to i don't know because

1:41:00

it's fucking weird that is why i'm gonna go with

1:41:02

weird that's why he

1:41:05

said i just don't i don't think can handle

1:41:07

it in our friend them i don't wanna go look her

1:41:09

blood panel right now is the horrible seizes

1:41:12

, wow that's weird weird

1:41:14

they hold press conference here chief

1:41:17

of police chief harris old the press conference

1:41:19

asking anyone who had any information on the

1:41:21

case to come forward he

1:41:23

said quote it's the most brutal crime

1:41:26

some of my men have ever seen we've

1:41:28

had our we have questioned more than questioned hundred

1:41:30

people and are going on the theory that everyone

1:41:32

is that suspect or suspects are being

1:41:34

eliminated one by being and all we can say

1:41:37

is we believe this todd was killed by someone

1:41:39

we knew because she was not the type of person

1:41:41

who would pick up and go off with someone she didn't know

1:41:44

thou yeah her

1:41:46

funeral more than fifteen hundred people

1:41:48

show up for that which is a good

1:41:51

chunk of a town at that point of it wasn't twenty

1:41:53

five thousand people in it back then so it's and

1:41:55

persona town

1:41:56

more that think is more net so

1:41:59

on

1:42:00

the huge huge deal here

1:42:02

i'm now the big rumor and once they

1:42:04

found out what happened now a found

1:42:06

out how she was caught up in all this crazy shit

1:42:08

her friends are all talk about oh

1:42:10

fuck man woods with what happened what's going

1:42:12

on now , all talking about

1:42:14

had to be satanic cult honest answer

1:42:16

science based on what happened had

1:42:19

to be a say tannic called they left her guts

1:42:21

hanging out and you know all this type

1:42:23

shed had to be that carloads

1:42:26

had been told that crystal hadn't been run over

1:42:28

by car and left die eyes she

1:42:30

hard but instead you know all his

1:42:32

say all his and that made her go all that's why

1:42:34

they ask me about cults before and gangs that

1:42:36

makes lot of sense ah i'm

1:42:38

so she i

1:42:41

you know received understood

1:42:43

that but then she heard from her sisters were carla

1:42:45

said about what friends and quotes when

1:42:47

my friends told me that night that she had

1:42:49

been killed and cut up by satanic cult

1:42:51

i was scared to look at her at the funeral

1:42:54

that was the hardest thing i've read to do in my

1:42:56

entire life entire was like in shock

1:42:58

in couldn't even talk when i saw the casket sitting

1:43:00

there sitting was very angry of all

1:43:02

these things these things heard were true i

1:43:05

couldn't believe they would have have the

1:43:07

of the top of her task and open and her body

1:43:09

right there for everyone to gawk at facetious

1:43:11

doesn't understand they fixed or wounds sustained

1:43:14

look like that i'm i

1:43:16

hear her face was skyn dos can

1:43:18

you imagine why i was afraid

1:43:20

to look at her i know i now know

1:43:22

the stuff people were saying about her and

1:43:24

the way she died wasn't true the for a

1:43:26

while there i didn't know what to believe thou

1:43:29

you have lot of yeah to ah

1:43:33

the a parlor like that and he see

1:43:35

the casket as opens i assure

1:43:37

you they've done their best make sure this

1:43:39

is that what happened at not obvious

1:43:41

they don't want you to see that the i'd assume

1:43:44

until they want you to seek the wants

1:43:46

you see as an eye on on

1:43:48

they

1:43:48

want yeah i've been to to

1:43:50

open casket murders

1:43:52

violent dagger things and they both

1:43:54

i mean i told you about my great grandmother and made

1:43:56

joke about the pearls i just put thousand or

1:43:58

not but my my friend the

1:44:00

shot himself he they made it they look bigger

1:44:03

than death so anyway i'm

1:44:05

the i'm they said that

1:44:07

there's a lotta clues but they don't have anything

1:44:10

follow to go on or anything

1:44:12

like that at , funeral

1:44:15

i've the cop lest they

1:44:17

showed up they were looking around sees anybody

1:44:19

look you know guilty or nervous and

1:44:21

their scope in the crowd they said that everybody's of sad

1:44:24

sad that they would be yeah

1:44:27

body say kind like hangs

1:44:29

out with can the whole time during the thing

1:44:31

like she's like hey i'm leaning on him and

1:44:33

stuff like that she said if you had

1:44:35

only been with her things would have been different and

1:44:37

crystal would still be alive com

1:44:40

because he's a stocky muscular guys by ten

1:44:42

one hundred ninety got some muscle tone so she

1:44:45

, that i'm ah you

1:44:47

know she said that a he would always protect

1:44:49

her she said quote can feel like if you

1:44:51

can i feel like if he was there you could have saved

1:44:53

her eyes is betsy the last words

1:44:55

on her lips are your name she probably probably

1:44:58

probably died calling your name to savor

1:45:00

oh god body season christ

1:45:02

that's brutal at brutal i'm

1:45:05

so can i felt ill

1:45:07

and went through up here through

1:45:09

i'm yeah sell her as

1:45:11

mom said he always throws up at times like these

1:45:13

it's probably of nerves sky nervous on

1:45:16

a quick com slash cans

1:45:18

pallbearer as well you

1:45:20

know he helps carry the casket miss

1:45:23

all that sort thing he

1:45:25

i know hangs out with the ball bears or

1:45:27

does all his duties and then after

1:45:29

the funeral the other are

1:45:31

going to come by the boniface house

1:45:34

now there's rumor that carla's not safe

1:45:36

now either there's an article the newspaper

1:45:38

saying that someone else might be after

1:45:41

put into hiding over this

1:45:43

yeah i'm because carla

1:45:45

was one of crystals best friends the last to see

1:45:47

her alive she was warned by friends

1:45:49

that she would be the killers next target good

1:45:52

lord she said said

1:45:54

scared to death i didn't have clue who the killer

1:45:56

might be but felt he knew me know we have screams

1:45:58

i know added last summer said the ways going

1:46:00

on now says sisk that's x

1:46:03

files like scurry this

1:46:05

is crazy i thought he might

1:46:07

think i was i that i know more

1:46:09

than anyone whom are who he might

1:46:11

be so i was freaking out and thinking

1:46:13

was going be the next one so carla

1:46:15

told the newspaper the crystals murder had

1:46:17

changed through outlook on life and

1:46:20

you know she was i fuck

1:46:22

and her friends going miss out on everything the senior

1:46:25

prom and all his diaper shit and college

1:46:27

and nice she said this is really hit

1:46:29

home for me i been looking at life through rose

1:46:31

colored glasses but this makes everything totally

1:46:33

different now he should a murder podcast

1:46:35

about five years crystal

1:46:38

and i were nearly i were together nearly

1:46:40

every friday or saturday night up until the

1:46:42

night before her death i know one

1:46:44

thing for sure about me that i will never drive

1:46:46

anywhere alone at night again so

1:46:50

i several high school girls

1:46:52

now begin receiving death threats

1:46:54

piece together with words from newspapers

1:46:57

and magazines and mosque lot of

1:46:59

who's doing the ransom notes with

1:47:01

the messages all spelling out you

1:47:03

will be next you bastards

1:47:06

yes that's what's going on at that point

1:47:08

so that's she

1:47:10

, i won't go out of my house by myself

1:47:12

my father one of my brothers has to walk me

1:47:14

out to my car and stay with me until unlocked and

1:47:16

unsafe unsafe for prices

1:47:19

sees his fucking christ a they're all talking about

1:47:21

satanic rituals and all this type

1:47:23

shit you know i'm

1:47:26

her arms that the a her

1:47:28

were crazy that the rumors were

1:47:31

her arms were cut off and burned your face

1:47:33

was skyn her heart and liver were missing

1:47:35

her eyes were flux out you

1:47:38

, they removed her organs and reposition

1:47:40

them a while the shit stayed for

1:47:42

took her organs out and then put them with bunch

1:47:44

of black candles and cops filled with her blood

1:47:47

these these rumors that are going around that sort

1:47:49

been to absolve one

1:47:51

of friends said about this to it's not

1:47:53

easy to identify those devil worshippers

1:47:55

at that they tell believe rivera they ask

1:47:57

police you know anything in there are like i hear it's

1:48:00

the greatness and then they said it's not

1:48:02

easy identify those devil worshippers i

1:48:04

don't think they're all walking around in their black costumes

1:48:06

and drinking blood but i believe they looked

1:48:08

just like us were normal clothes

1:48:10

act like normal people i don't think the

1:48:12

majority of them you would know who

1:48:14

they are by looking adam so they could be any one

1:48:16

of us that's why it's so hard relax

1:48:20

and cult group did this who else would

1:48:22

be capable of such crime they get around

1:48:24

this day adams the yeah ted bundy

1:48:26

gary ridgeway john wayne gag named

1:48:28

twenty people very capable describes

1:48:32

fuck so v chief of

1:48:34

police said there was no signs of killing

1:48:36

was related to say tannic rituals at all

1:48:38

i'm he says i'm not going to get into whether

1:48:40

of a satanic ritualistic we

1:48:42

have nothing at this point in time to lead

1:48:45

us to that conclusion rumors

1:48:47

of satanic killing most likely the result

1:48:49

of someone's inability to understand how a person

1:48:51

could commit such a brutal murder and any

1:48:53

time you have a brutal murder people try to relate

1:48:55

to that type of especially back then

1:48:58

any time from about seventy

1:49:00

nine to ninety five their immediate

1:49:02

oh my god it has to be satan yeah now

1:49:04

they said this this is the exact thing that happened with mid

1:49:06

west memphis three months has to

1:49:09

be called people could look at how gonna

1:49:11

look at what they did similarly analysts

1:49:13

you know it's weird shit goes on and some creepy

1:49:16

guys had him out how many crime

1:49:18

scenes have you heard about scene because a

1:49:20

lot of them are pretty fucking vicious and

1:49:22

yeah you'd think that they were at odds

1:49:24

a second sacrifice yes something

1:49:27

when it's probably not is probably just a

1:49:29

sexually frustrated six thought

1:49:31

well in movie you get you know any

1:49:34

there is there a full on serial killer

1:49:36

that takes you apart or this like just

1:49:38

quiet strangling where you the and

1:49:40

, die quietly and thirty seconds like as

1:49:42

the only two ways to die so they see it like that

1:49:46

that the evidence that they do have the

1:49:48

day her body was found a michael

1:49:50

jordan half baseball hat

1:49:52

was removed from her car and

1:49:54

sent to the lab for

1:49:57

forensic lab for analysis it

1:49:59

was analysis the black with twenty

1:50:01

three on it is number and said flight by

1:50:03

jordan era of those old had a saloon ah

1:50:06

britain across the front how many people had those two

1:50:08

trillion fear i'm

1:50:10

now a primary a preliminary

1:50:12

investigation produced to black

1:50:15

curly hair is that suggested

1:50:17

that that they look like i've pairs

1:50:19

of an african american person south that's

1:50:21

they are looking at so many of crystals

1:50:23

friends they went around see if they can identify

1:50:25

the hatch who's had is this is in alleys that

1:50:27

we know someone that was in her car they

1:50:30

said who's had is this i'm carla

1:50:33

they showed the hack carla was with her boyfriend

1:50:35

and her boyfriend last and

1:50:37

told the detectives he didn't know anyone that wore

1:50:40

hat like that last that

1:50:42

it and

1:50:44

why that funny and said quote

1:50:46

nothing to do with michael jordan but

1:50:48

what white boy would wear hat like that

1:50:50

everybody i know wears a browning

1:50:52

remington barker budweiser hat

1:50:55

something like that they definitely don't wear know

1:50:57

michael jordan happened last wow

1:50:59

eager up a very different places everyone

1:51:02

every white boy i ever knew growing up had

1:51:04

that exact that sounds very different

1:51:06

lies as i know very few people with browning

1:51:08

rubbing ten buck or budweiser at enough

1:51:11

south , place is any them struck

1:51:13

since i knew anybody that war a

1:51:15

buck browning budweiser how

1:51:17

they were doing it as a joke joke

1:51:20

yeah yeah we'll i sort of lyonnais's

1:51:22

do but added that and season

1:51:25

six season so they

1:51:27

go around asking those crystals to

1:51:29

see know any black eyes because this with this has

1:51:31

not that they even think that this is of but maybe

1:51:33

some of know something is there and at and witness

1:51:35

at some point yeah we're darragh as that you know

1:51:38

this person might have been in her car

1:51:40

at some point maybe not last night maybe

1:51:42

a while back but whenever we're going to find

1:51:44

going south sea

1:51:46

they asked around sea phase said

1:51:49

that was all pure gossip and she

1:51:51

was apparently according to the book says

1:51:53

here quote she was adamant that her daughter

1:51:56

would never have been involved with black man quote

1:51:59

i never believe

1:52:00

the black and white mix and and my daughter

1:52:02

felt the same way i don't know who told you

1:52:04

this trash but whoever did it told you pack allies

1:52:07

on , the two cents on who's had

1:52:09

there's an account yeah i'm a friend

1:52:11

of hers also said the same thing i

1:52:13

was is like basically all our friends at same

1:52:15

thing one started out with egg that direct

1:52:17

quote is now i'm not saying i'm racist

1:52:19

or anything as is a literally winners

1:52:21

line crazy shit and she

1:52:23

said cause i me i know i mean i've just

1:52:25

been raised in the south she sat my family

1:52:27

is and prejudice but they just know but

1:52:30

this but that's just how i've been raised

1:52:32

and it's not as i've just been that we're not prejudice

1:52:34

just been raised prices very very

1:52:37

not jewish we just go to temple on saturday

1:52:39

and i got bar mitzvah last week but i'm not jewish

1:52:41

narcissist to the

1:52:43

things are saying is insects

1:52:46

and yell and everyone

1:52:48

out there when you hear something like this that

1:52:50

you go while yes the sounds ridiculous

1:52:52

amount of zion like this isn't nit picky

1:52:54

this isn't nit like

1:52:56

as soon as much as ninety

1:52:58

ninety right rural south carolina it's

1:53:00

a different thirty years literally thirty fucking

1:53:02

years ago south thirty years

1:53:04

before this the civil rights act hadn't even been

1:53:06

signed yet so had not i mean

1:53:08

we gotta go by whatever sour

1:53:10

anyway ah she says as he said there

1:53:12

is said difference you know around my house

1:53:15

ah at least there's difference and that's how i

1:53:17

was raised was think crystals raise the same

1:53:19

the some extent because crystal didn't mess with

1:53:21

like shin black date black

1:53:23

guys i think someone ask crystal the go out

1:53:25

with black guy one time and crystal didn't wanna go

1:53:27

out with him to told her friend carla carla

1:53:30

said well as guy

1:53:32

hurricane understand what that means crystal

1:53:35

at last or licensee now and i didn't blame

1:53:37

her ah i didn't blame her

1:53:39

because that just makes my skin crawl i'm

1:53:41

not racist or anything but like the rest of

1:53:43

us we think there's a difference

1:53:45

between blacks and whites that's as he sat south

1:53:47

star like on isn't

1:53:50

like we don't care about

1:53:52

your fucking do you know a

1:53:54

black guy that may have been

1:53:56

in her car that's all we're asking i

1:53:58

don't give shit what your family

1:54:00

your grandma thinks about you know

1:54:02

interracial marriage not my concern

1:54:04

what the fuck over here was it sound

1:54:07

a black hair similar to african

1:54:09

american air inside this have inside

1:54:11

her cars who's is it that's all you are

1:54:13

now that i'm sober enough don't process

1:54:15

any statement with i'm not racist been

1:54:17

nicer to supply yes i'm here to assist

1:54:20

assist so they end up the guy

1:54:22

who own the cap turned out to be

1:54:24

a friend of one of crystals girlfriends

1:54:27

who have gotten the cabin in this girl

1:54:29

ended up giving it to crystal for something else

1:54:31

so is this guy was originally belong or black

1:54:33

guy who this one girl new but no

1:54:35

directly to , guy has no

1:54:37

direct link the crust south of there like

1:54:39

the freezer the girlfriend and taker apart and rape

1:54:42

or south in up so

1:54:44

they up so b i now comes in they

1:54:46

work up a profile this is david caldwell

1:54:50

profile , was not released to general public

1:54:52

at time all this is only given to the police

1:54:54

ah this read it predicted characteristics

1:54:57

of the crystal fe todd's killer

1:55:00

killer characteristics or probable however

1:55:02

the investigators or caution not to rule

1:55:04

out any good suspect because he does not

1:55:06

fit the description obviously white

1:55:08

male between twenty and twenty five years of age

1:55:11

ah recklessness if probably

1:55:13

if probably and noted second characteristic

1:55:16

he has some social skills can smile

1:55:19

can converse he's not too scary

1:55:21

the , is not suggestive of lot of forethought

1:55:24

are planning we would expect that he transferred

1:55:26

blood to his automobile after the crime

1:55:28

so may god bless the scots he

1:55:30

is angry man with generalized anger

1:55:33

toward most people many of notice

1:55:35

that something is not quite right with

1:55:37

him him probably episodic

1:55:39

li unemployed he's not businessman

1:55:41

or professional person he probably has

1:55:43

trouble trouble with policies and coworkers

1:55:46

and consequently has not had long term

1:55:48

long sounds like you his

1:55:53

like , generally at work

1:55:55

would be cyclical some sons i

1:55:57

had sounds like you said he may work well

1:56:00

one week and not so well the next year at

1:56:02

zero therapy might not show up and actually

1:56:05

we , expect cyclical social

1:56:07

performances well now you're good socialists

1:56:09

he may be nice one day ornery the next

1:56:12

now you're pretty consistent up up

1:56:14

you're happy guess we're not happy but yours yours

1:56:16

the up the apparently not on and money

1:56:18

of exactly people that

1:56:20

know him may say that one

1:56:22

never knows what to expect from him he

1:56:25

has no tremendous need for money he's

1:56:27

not chronically unemployed he's not

1:56:29

worried about where he's going to get his next meal

1:56:31

so he's got some sort of half some

1:56:33

sort versus he knows this

1:56:36

is by the way these profilers do this by

1:56:38

looking the crime scene not they don't

1:56:40

they don't wanna know any information you as

1:56:42

amazing they wanna go how

1:56:44

old is that girl you know stats

1:56:46

of the victim let me look pictures

1:56:48

that set on tommy mind blowing that

1:56:51

fuck it all up and good at it move there's a there's

1:56:53

a way you do when it's almost like a the

1:56:55

after awhile you see these patterns and snapped

1:56:58

me but them he ,

1:57:00

able to make ends meet there's probably

1:57:02

another person perhaps family member

1:57:04

on whom he is partially financially

1:57:06

dependent he's not a cocaine

1:57:08

addict who steals money or valuables thinking

1:57:10

about next specs south is not that

1:57:12

ah he is not the product of

1:57:15

a wholesome nurturing family environments

1:57:17

and his formative years he is have no solid

1:57:19

male role models he probably had a missing

1:57:21

father almost certainly and emotionally

1:57:23

missing father perhaps divorced father

1:57:26

worked all the time travels a lot was dad was

1:57:28

an alcoholic alcoholic he probably

1:57:30

as a local person from henri county

1:57:32

familiar with the side of the body recovery either

1:57:34

he lives near there or family member lives

1:57:36

near there or perhaps he hunts fishes or

1:57:38

works in the area at any rate

1:57:40

he's been there before is comfortable the

1:57:43

is impulsive an angry the world he

1:57:45

has a large ship on shoulder life

1:57:47

has not been not been easy

1:57:50

for him and deep down feels someone was

1:57:52

pay for the way his life has gone all

1:57:54

our lives of suck to but i don't take out another

1:57:56

people at

1:57:58

eleven the eleven thirty run the with

1:58:00

the victim could be the result of having gotten

1:58:02

off second shift or perhaps

1:58:04

result of having left party earlier

1:58:07

that evening the feeling

1:58:09

of think he went out to hundred eleven thirty like

1:58:11

ted bundy was he feels fairly

1:58:13

confident that he will not be suspect

1:58:16

he does not believe will be associated

1:58:18

with her that night he would probably best

1:58:20

be described as not an intimate acquaintance

1:58:22

perhaps a peripheral acquaintance he sees

1:58:24

himself as a social outcast and probably

1:58:26

rightly so he's probably not widely

1:58:29

accepted by his peers he's unable

1:58:31

to isn't this interesting is finalized stuff

1:58:33

it's this is riveting right absolutely

1:58:35

riveting i want i want every word that

1:58:37

they say that's i'm like i helped us as

1:58:39

long ago there's more that's he's

1:58:41

unable to sustain a warm nurturing

1:58:44

relationships if he was ever married

1:58:46

there will be lots of problems whether

1:58:48

or not he had specific plan to kill that

1:58:50

night is equivocal i'm one

1:58:52

hallmark of his life would be frustrations

1:58:55

the stress of everyday life out

1:58:58

would be tough on him he projects

1:59:00

has problems i'm not the problem they

1:59:02

are when he was in school

1:59:04

he was not the type to say whoa yeah

1:59:06

the teacher is right i should have me

1:59:08

out dot dot dot he's the type to say they're full

1:59:10

of it very were coming

1:59:12

after me there are everyone's out to get media

1:59:15

yeah everyone's out to get me that

1:59:17

i'm very dumb perfect they're all

1:59:19

bad or even see me everyone is

1:59:21

that guy's everybody ,

1:59:23

personally that i think everyone your

1:59:25

life he does not not

1:59:27

does not enjoy the reputation being particularly

1:59:29

smart that's nice way to put it's i'm going

1:59:31

to say that when think someone's dumb next dumb

1:59:34

i don't think he enjoys the reputation of being

1:59:36

particularly smart enjoys

1:59:38

is the key word there i

1:59:40

don't think he enjoys the reputation

1:59:43

of being particularly smart i'm going to say that

1:59:45

every time i think someone surfacing actively

1:59:47

avoid that reputation with every

1:59:49

bone in his bosses assists

1:59:53

he regularly or irregularly carries

1:59:55

irregularly nice shows it off consider

1:59:58

that to be part of his image like

2:00:00

to think of himself as macho and tries

2:00:02

to pose himself as much how he probably

2:00:04

drinks the long neck buds and jack daniels

2:00:07

so they even have as during my last yes you're

2:00:09

looking for that that's what he's dragon his ex outnumbered

2:00:11

acts were the

2:00:13

he probably cannot take protracted

2:00:16

pressure however he probably handles

2:00:18

acute immediate pressure very well

2:00:21

he probably does not have lot to make him

2:00:23

attractive to peer females for

2:00:26

most part females from his peer

2:00:28

group do not have a lot to do with him he

2:00:30

simply he is not witty he's not

2:00:32

charming he would probably be attractive

2:00:34

to younger girls simply because he is older

2:00:36

oh my god perhaps

2:00:39

what he could offer appear girls would be drugs

2:00:41

or maybe money though it is not expected that he

2:00:43

would have much money he has come to the

2:00:45

attention of law enforcement before perhaps

2:00:48

when he was twelve thirteen he was

2:00:50

torturing animals starting fires committing

2:00:52

random apps acts of vandalism he's

2:00:54

probably not doing much dating he's not

2:00:56

ladies man he may have some date

2:00:58

rapes in his history may be raped

2:01:00

may cousin but he's not doing stranger

2:01:03

kidnapped raped he's not doing burglary

2:01:05

slash raped the

2:01:07

yet going be someone he thinks he can he knows

2:01:09

something about otherwise he would be scared alcohol

2:01:12

intoxication on night of the murder is

2:01:14

good bet it is possible that the

2:01:16

to perpetrate that to perpetrators were

2:01:18

involved based on the level of carnage after

2:01:20

the commission the murder this perpetrator

2:01:22

would probably probably would have gone straight

2:01:25

to straight safe haven either to his

2:01:27

home or relative's house as opposed

2:01:29

going out and setting up an alibi somewhere

2:01:31

it should be considered that the safe haven

2:01:33

might be in same direction from the crime

2:01:36

scene as the crime scene as from

2:01:38

her abandoned car how

2:01:40

are it could be considered that

2:01:42

after staying in town for a few weeks

2:01:44

he will leave for an is ostensibly

2:01:46

good reason such as to visit or

2:01:48

live with a relative or for some employment

2:01:51

opportunity and another two that

2:01:54

as a picture painted it's unbelievable

2:01:56

they can get all that you see a

2:01:58

person now dogs you

2:02:00

in of use the you know that guy

2:02:02

see that guy there's all deal there

2:02:04

and die and the confidence of the

2:02:06

guy looks like and that's with their current that's

2:02:09

i mean he's that's the profile of cspi

2:02:11

profiles i mean they're looking for

2:02:13

a shithead the twenty or

2:02:15

twenty five year old said had somewhere in there

2:02:17

are now they have to talk

2:02:19

tic they they still have direct formal

2:02:22

interview with can can register santa

2:02:24

talk to him did the fi now we them against

2:02:26

the car right in some notes i'm

2:02:28

, they said i went to he's

2:02:31

the officer comes over to ask

2:02:33

him he's over visiting with body

2:02:35

fate odd and , said when would

2:02:37

be good time to you know interview year

2:02:39

when a formal interview about station sit down

2:02:42

down body say jumped in and said well can

2:02:44

eight the one why waste your time scans

2:02:46

are best friend he's like family

2:02:48

slaughter you look for the ones that could have done something

2:02:50

like this of a soda

2:02:54

they said we're doing our best barney phase is not overlook

2:02:56

anything in i mean he might know something

2:02:58

that he didn't realize he knows that he'll

2:03:00

come out and a full interview that i'll be the key

2:03:02

know will get it's so she said

2:03:04

i know i know she said i'm sorry bell

2:03:07

i know you do and everything you can i just

2:03:09

i just miss her so bad with so mean yeah

2:03:11

obviously it's terrible she said ken's

2:03:13

been the most help i don't know what i'd do without

2:03:16

him so he calls and comes over he's always

2:03:18

asking about what you found or

2:03:20

of a wonder why bonfire it's

2:03:22

not good sign bio sign do you think you want our know

2:03:24

what cops know over interest

2:03:26

in murders not good sign or her you know except

2:03:28

unless you're doing a podcast is now

2:03:31

since they had like said spoken

2:03:33

him little bit earlier but now they're

2:03:35

you know the second interview needs to be arranged

2:03:38

in the also they need to get like blood and

2:03:40

hair samples are getting them from everybody

2:03:42

and their everybody that new heard what

2:03:44

was at that party that night seventy and

2:03:46

phone you can bet that

2:03:48

sammy got a good ones overhang shark hard

2:03:51

court for bastard guts of who suffers

2:03:53

as wow are they went up his

2:03:55

ass of microscopes so then

2:03:57

that evening canning evening canning barney phase

2:04:00

was and express concern over the interview

2:04:03

they were mother she i can he was very agitated

2:04:06

saying that the police hadn't found the killer yet

2:04:08

now they're going opinion on me why

2:04:11

would the body say the but

2:04:13

it is ugly talking about like now we're

2:04:15

you why would you do that she said you

2:04:17

have you didn't do it wow they pins on you

2:04:20

and he said ah it don't matter now

2:04:22

they can't find anybody so they pull your blood

2:04:24

rig it to make it look like you did it everybody's

2:04:27

talking about it now it now it's

2:04:29

time to be given blood kids are getting desperate

2:04:33

now he deserved to be let my blood out my body

2:04:35

is going to put it all with our stuff body

2:04:38

, told him he's crazy he said

2:04:40

stop that stop stop stop stop

2:04:42

even ask why why do think they're going take

2:04:44

your blood and he said they please said that they've

2:04:46

taken everybody's blunt that's why that's

2:04:49

what's going on and dumb then

2:04:51

can stay that those test a perfectly

2:04:53

now well don't be surprised that

2:04:56

he said well don't be surprised they arrest they

2:04:58

wrong one they're

2:05:00

pretty good yeah especially dna

2:05:02

he has realize dna tests are free got him

2:05:04

that he has no clue he

2:05:07

then went on to say that the tests quote

2:05:09

could be beat that

2:05:11

lie detector test know that

2:05:14

said quote you could fake i'm out you

2:05:16

could take somebody elses blood and give

2:05:18

it to another , our

2:05:20

now they take the blood from your arm camps

2:05:22

that laos is still drink golden seal

2:05:25

and and somebody elses yeah this

2:05:28

season this like is could like it's could years

2:05:30

as piss test the guys outside the thing

2:05:32

if you just come out well here's sample of

2:05:35

affected say get from your are viewing expect

2:05:38

you to bring in your own blood sample and handed

2:05:40

to them see him put like a fake

2:05:42

armful of somebody elses blood in know

2:05:44

leave and then have have that armed with

2:05:46

heater in there is that doesn't work recently

2:05:48

who get up with those states wants

2:05:51

is that that's full somebody elses they're

2:05:53

usually athlete has nursing the

2:05:55

was amazed though then

2:05:57

can talk to dina whose body

2:06:00

phase nice and told her the same thing he said

2:06:02

quote they're getting ready to put the wrong man

2:06:04

now to put it on the wrong man now

2:06:06

so they can get somebody arrested for this case

2:06:09

and the dina was like were you talking about she said

2:06:11

he said i know they're going to pull my blood and it comes

2:06:13

out to be me their fame in wrong one

2:06:15

oh my god any framing would be

2:06:17

the wrong one i would assume so they were like stop

2:06:20

you didn't do anything just get it over with good

2:06:22

stupid thing the cops want to do couple

2:06:24

of things about can by the way m

2:06:27

two months before the crystal was murdered

2:06:29

here ken was on his way to way class at the technical

2:06:31

education school located next door

2:06:33

to coastal carolina university driving

2:06:36

through the campus pulled isn't the car up next

2:06:38

to next to students and ask for directions

2:06:40

the library that's reasonable

2:06:42

see who the used to pull up and ask

2:06:45

for libraries and so

2:06:47

and so one

2:06:49

of the young women had noticed can

2:06:51

on fastening his pants off

2:06:53

without enough ram ten

2:06:55

, forward and pass the young women

2:06:57

abruptly swung his car around drove

2:06:59

back pass them and said excuse me

2:07:02

to the women who turn and look again

2:07:04

he's in his car he pushed up his body arched

2:07:06

as back and quote shook his exposed

2:07:09

genitals that the women and said it's

2:07:11

quotes common good and

2:07:14

then we realized

2:07:16

this realized this they have a guy in card

2:07:18

segars tickets you but the

2:07:20

opposite com and get it and was broad daylight

2:07:23

and they weren't any physical danger because there's lots

2:07:25

people around heard friends as weather so

2:07:27

it's got that that point we as a less

2:07:29

as that is that they can

2:07:31

be horrifying obviously but what

2:07:34

, is a list is angle that seizing

2:07:36

is going to have man someone's gonna go who

2:07:38

else is none of those in college college

2:07:41

could never find of spare penis size

2:07:43

are going to get murder your car as the

2:07:45

and out now i just looked so good

2:07:47

she had to have it right that no didn't

2:07:50

work and even see that even

2:07:52

now if you if if woman pulled by

2:07:54

and if last her tits down a guy would jump

2:07:56

into the movie hours when does of our be different

2:07:58

hey legs ticket

2:08:00

that you betcha our identities

2:08:03

are we headed legs kicked out barely

2:08:05

hanging on for his life and it's aren't

2:08:07

snus so are on to

2:08:09

murder so many men yaya

2:08:12

we trust them completely

2:08:14

we just them completely south as

2:08:16

can drives away

2:08:19

people who neat little tricks he says

2:08:21

hey way though he stops

2:08:23

know how good are they they thought about

2:08:25

for minute there were like a matter of fact those

2:08:27

a good opportunity would it wasn't

2:08:29

status seats daves dutch girl woman

2:08:31

just ran up behind him in got his license i love

2:08:35

, flesh yes and where they

2:08:37

reported it's campus police gave detailed

2:08:40

description of both can add has been a sit

2:08:42

out that's all good that

2:08:44

they checked tag number registered those

2:08:47

mom shirley register and

2:08:49

register very ago vr registers

2:08:52

the of a registered the registered they question surely

2:08:55

surely didn't know why they are asking so

2:08:57

he just said yeah can was driving my car around

2:08:59

that afternoon early just a penis out that

2:09:01

surveys out anywhere so

2:09:03

cancelled police in front of his mother that had

2:09:05

not been on campus that afternoon he certainly

2:09:08

and expose themselves to any female students

2:09:10

that's crazy ah i'm so

2:09:13

v photographic lineup that was arranged

2:09:15

in the women were asked to identify the person

2:09:17

and within seconds they picked an animal

2:09:19

line again it was you know i'm

2:09:21

but after five minutes the other student

2:09:24

picked somebody else oh no how

2:09:26

can was still arrested one or two was a

2:09:28

bad can still arrest and will figure out

2:09:30

there is released on bond now

2:09:33

the whole this whole thing we're looking

2:09:36

at can want talk to him about crystal

2:09:38

crystal a now they hear that you know he's gotta

2:09:40

depending indecent exposure charge as

2:09:43

a a sexual crime this

2:09:45

is a sexual crime there like ha this

2:09:47

is interesting he had cans name

2:09:49

pulled off the pre trial intervention

2:09:51

program west refusing to get some like

2:09:54

you know nothing thanks that would have rubber

2:09:56

that of allows youthful offenders to avoid

2:09:58

indictment and keep their records clean the performing

2:10:00

public service i'm attending classes and

2:10:03

so this guy said

2:10:05

saw the charges as possibly relevant to

2:10:07

the murder if he's gonna keep it here so

2:10:10

in interview with cans football coach conducted

2:10:13

by the police ah they

2:10:15

introduced another element here coach chuck

2:10:17

jordan new sounds like a football coach through

2:10:19

israel and he's gonna hit you tell you hit

2:10:21

that blocking sled harder to you've

2:10:24

got a small a short time ever tiny

2:10:27

little short he

2:10:29

said he believed saw his players

2:10:31

under conditions of extreme stress

2:10:33

and that provided insights into the extremes

2:10:36

of young man's personnel out so i guess

2:10:38

so ah , said

2:10:40

he'd scenes kent's i saw cans

2:10:42

temper during a game can was called

2:10:44

for personal foul and became upset

2:10:46

first because of the fall and then with coach

2:10:49

himself himself size with

2:10:51

the official as was like know either they were

2:10:53

rough was rough can have difficulty

2:10:55

letting the perceived injustice past when

2:10:58

he was benched for the infraction he got the

2:11:00

coaches face to explain himself the

2:11:02

coaches busy with the game and enough time

2:11:04

for can became was persistent and glared

2:11:06

at the couch in nose to nose confrontation

2:11:09

after several attempts to com can

2:11:12

they basically they coach of the town shut

2:11:14

fuck up and listen to what he had to say anime

2:11:17

you know can was i a pet really

2:11:20

pissed off about what accounts coach

2:11:22

said really haven't seen that degree of lack of control

2:11:24

advocate and all my coaching years has

2:11:27

lot there was no question in my mind

2:11:29

he was totally out of control he

2:11:31

said he continued his verbal aggression on the

2:11:33

bench and i other coaches tried

2:11:35

intervene and he wouldn't take it and it's a

2:11:37

communal a quarter and half the calm down

2:11:39

about fucking call on field so

2:11:41

was suspended the team from week for week

2:11:44

from team for a week ammiano

2:11:46

bad to meet with his parents all that kind of

2:11:48

shit but vi

2:11:52

vi vi can said that he had convinced

2:11:54

his parents he had done nothing wrong in that

2:11:56

the coaches actually was wrong so

2:11:59

they tried to cause double for the couch there

2:12:01

today so i'm he

2:12:03

said he said to make sure his parents understood

2:12:05

the can cost to and then i very vividly

2:12:07

remember their reaction was no not

2:12:09

can his

2:12:12

dad made the comment that they had never heard

2:12:14

him cost before when a

2:12:16

church yeah you avid but and the football

2:12:18

fields little bit different they

2:12:21

also the coach said can always wore his feelings

2:12:23

on his shirt sleeve you knew where he was coming

2:12:25

from if he walked in my office i knew a kinda

2:12:27

moody was in and i knew whether he was sad

2:12:29

or happy whatever i find hard

2:12:31

to believe that can could go that length of time

2:12:34

for when the murder happened until the time you

2:12:36

know you're talking to them concealing his emotions

2:12:38

and feelings not having his personality

2:12:40

change in such way that would be observable by

2:12:42

somebody close to him though

2:12:45

you now they are they said

2:12:47

the valley they realize has temper this

2:12:49

this a profile start to look pretty good

2:12:51

for this guy earlier to us because

2:12:54

the couch also a coworker now brings

2:12:56

up to a point when can lost his temper

2:12:58

at his job quote with

2:13:00

one of the big guys i think they me one the bosses

2:13:03

and was temporary help and temporary

2:13:05

guys got all the dirty jobs the other

2:13:07

guys often kid the temps and

2:13:09

he usually took it in stride they said but

2:13:12

them quote one the boys tr

2:13:14

was really get not his case must have

2:13:16

been bad day for him can picked

2:13:18

him up up a can take them

2:13:20

right up and slammed him on ground because

2:13:22

he had edged him too far you know he bugged

2:13:25

him and bugged him and bugged him until finally lost

2:13:27

his temper and picked him up and threw him down

2:13:29

his successor your the picked

2:13:31

up tr a grown man and fucking

2:13:33

room to the ground like a child so that's

2:13:36

weird com i guess he is muscular and

2:13:38

guy of and said tr said yeah that

2:13:40

did happen ah but he insisted

2:13:42

that was only some rough housing the

2:13:44

south and can was mad at me it was just

2:13:46

a case of boys have boys being boys

2:13:48

he said see i don't want me to get the best

2:13:50

of them he did say that quote for a

2:13:52

size kids fairly strong guy three

2:13:54

i slabs on grounds for three months

2:13:57

though t arne can road together and work

2:13:59

truck as they went job to job he

2:14:01

also commuted with can every morning so

2:14:04

yeah he said they got know each other real well

2:14:06

i'm kinda driven his mother's car ride

2:14:09

to work the week after the murder can

2:14:11

told tr that his car was the shop because

2:14:13

of because computer problem of difficult to fix

2:14:16

also said ken followed the murder investigation

2:14:18

closely and sometimes see our

2:14:20

read the newspaper to him as he drove

2:14:22

rose tell me more about the

2:14:24

dead ones that girl i've the

2:14:27

also learned from tr the can loved

2:14:29

different porno mags that

2:14:32

he hadn't brought magazines to work until

2:14:34

january cool brings porn at work

2:14:38

what you talking about the hello frank

2:14:40

porn to work and so we we

2:14:43

gonna have to whack at lunch least i'm a fifteen

2:14:45

some so amazed that are brilliant

2:14:48

wow that's

2:14:50

weird they said that january started

2:14:53

bringing it in his his friends i quote he

2:14:55

started bringing magazines i'd say every

2:14:57

other day two or three times a week he said

2:14:59

he was getting them from a friend to his the

2:15:02

never you never

2:15:04

took the magazines home he kept them in truck

2:15:06

some reason

2:15:09

though

2:15:13

can later on will claim that was buying and

2:15:15

for a supervisor at work is his

2:15:18

his supervisor will say quote will thought can

2:15:20

was all right he was certainly good worker sport

2:15:22

certainly was told that said he persists the magazines

2:15:25

for me while do that was alive or

2:15:27

that lie maybe rethink everything lie knew

2:15:29

about him fix your

2:15:31

first hard work and church go and guy

2:15:33

now either will porno monkey fuck

2:15:35

him weird are slamming people the ground

2:15:38

snellen everybody my mac my

2:15:41

mag i'm a jerk max so

2:15:43

i'm they bring can any shows

2:15:45

up the police department here are several

2:15:48

hours before as scheduled appointment right

2:15:50

away strange the sat

2:15:53

there and near the this thing and they said okay

2:15:55

can i'm sure that you know the reason we come

2:15:57

to our we asked to comic and again

2:15:59

today is to try and help the murder investigation

2:16:01

of bristol dot ba ba ba he

2:16:03

says yes he's good friend of mine and know crystal

2:16:05

her family my whole life her cousin kevin

2:16:07

is my best friend crystallized

2:16:09

to hang together hang out together some just

2:16:12

friends do to every day for

2:16:14

about a month to and half years ago for

2:16:16

about month and nineteen eighty eight he

2:16:18

, did you ever have sex with her during that time

2:16:20

or any other time he said no i've never

2:16:23

had sex crystal they said

2:16:25

at any time when any time his head and said no

2:16:27

that all they , you

2:16:29

know who might have been involved with her at

2:16:31

time of her murder and he said

2:16:33

and he she was seen some guy named tony

2:16:36

and they said tony anyone you know then

2:16:39

he said crystal once dated a boy from

2:16:41

ah i nor name's todd but i

2:16:43

don't know his last name his name was taught thank

2:16:46

god they didn't get along as you would have been fucking

2:16:49

that man now that that's

2:16:51

this is a crystal todd this is my husband

2:16:54

todd it's too much too many dogs

2:16:57

the many does they said

2:16:59

as you know any of her close friends and

2:17:01

can started naming girls in out that

2:17:03

know and i said it's ever mentioned

2:17:05

using drugs and he

2:17:07

said one time when crystal

2:17:10

was drinking she told me about the time

2:17:12

she was with her friend to they smoke some dope

2:17:15

i don't know this was an officer would

2:17:17

act as ever never actually saw use any type

2:17:20

drugs but i did hear about the time she got

2:17:22

drunk and ended up sitting all over fence

2:17:26

that's how she got the name shudder

2:17:29

oh what we

2:17:31

have the a dollar limit on

2:17:33

job the accuracies that's messed

2:17:36

up south and

2:17:38

, last little bit and sat

2:17:40

back and it's as to that that amount data

2:17:42

sets as that the name citrix i'm

2:17:45

so he they somehow you describe

2:17:47

her personal reputation you know what are

2:17:49

the guys say about are now try to see

2:17:51

where his head that head said that he

2:17:53

our have describe her reputation

2:17:55

as loose that's

2:17:58

what he said that's what all my friends that

2:18:00

banana really thinks you get as much the guy said

2:18:02

see dead people to brag about stuff that

2:18:04

never happens see and i'm

2:18:06

the smartest things smartest sock out

2:18:08

of her or is sign say our services

2:18:10

so many guys can have access to and that's

2:18:12

really sad to say i'm anybody could killed her really

2:18:15

i mean seriously enough to many people

2:18:17

even less have not me though i

2:18:19

they said was less said miss our i only saw

2:18:21

two or three times in past six months and

2:18:24

said he said he drove straight home and

2:18:26

eleven thirty from the tracks they said talk

2:18:28

to anyone may be your girlfriend anybody

2:18:31

witness you get home he said my model was

2:18:33

the kitchen when i got home we talked before

2:18:35

i went to bed what time did you say

2:18:37

you arrived home and he says he says will

2:18:39

after midnight boniface call me at one

2:18:41

fifty so ,

2:18:43

yes he gave these answers

2:18:45

said before you go can want

2:18:48

in your opinions had happened the personal crook

2:18:50

kills crystal mass best they always

2:18:52

as that was i was yes was

2:18:55

he said i'm not sure jail

2:18:57

not sure yeah

2:19:00

and answer the forty five

2:19:02

minute interview the cops had no reason

2:19:04

to believe that he was even a suspect that

2:19:06

they asked him take a blood test and he hesitated

2:19:08

on sunday said we want my blood for up

2:19:12

, handcuffs to well as they

2:19:15

said for dna comparison for dna

2:19:17

raskin a lot people for blood and he said what's

2:19:19

dna ninety ninety right now

2:19:21

it's the beginning and ninety two known as the fuck dna

2:19:23

as yet unless you're like big one

2:19:26

on or fan they , it's genetic

2:19:28

fingerprint that will use to compare other

2:19:30

evidence taken at crime scene no two

2:19:32

people have the same dna were

2:19:34

using it when lotta are a lot other white

2:19:36

males that were associated with crystal time

2:19:39

so they told him that if he had anything

2:19:41

tom if he had said anything the body

2:19:43

say about beating the test the

2:19:45

suddenly became wary and hesitated

2:19:48

but immediately said something when asked

2:19:50

how he could be the blood test he said all

2:19:52

you have to do is carry someone else blood with

2:19:54

you and then give that as the sample ali

2:19:56

of a said is it is that

2:19:58

way it works dummy you'd personally

2:20:01

go to hospital accompanied by a police officer

2:20:03

that the hospital the doctor nurse would take the

2:20:05

samples it's all supervised you absolutely

2:20:07

can't do that then they said

2:20:09

will you submit for blood test the second

2:20:12

talked to my mother about first eighteen

2:20:16

they said sure you could talk anybody want your mother

2:20:18

your father a lawyer anybody have

2:20:20

any other cops said you're an adult you're eighteen

2:20:22

years old if you want to consent in go had do

2:20:24

that now are you can leave talk to her every

2:20:26

one come back and the other cops

2:20:28

that it's a voluntary thing that's up to you you'll

2:20:30

be the one signing the forms lot

2:20:32

of other people have been asked do the same thing and

2:20:34

he they said what did they do and they

2:20:36

said everybody that's been asked to do it is fucking

2:20:39

done it didn't say said well then i guess

2:20:41

i will too that he said

2:20:43

the cops they can seem very nervous as

2:20:45

lot of questions about dna he wondered

2:20:47

how the rest have a test could lead to an arrest

2:20:49

someone for murder how long it took back

2:20:51

to get results and and all

2:20:53

that shit over someone hasn't started to i am

2:20:56

they finally just said quote son

2:20:58

we have an expensive piece of equipment for blood

2:21:01

samples and when was in the blood will show off

2:21:03

his about explaining science do you fancy

2:21:05

machine with lights of shit we kind of odd

2:21:08

it's as if gilder that's what we're doing it

2:21:10

said the fuck ups so

2:21:13

, do all this they

2:21:15

are vague collect all the samples

2:21:17

from him they send them off them

2:21:20

ends up talking to kevin james he drives

2:21:22

directly to james's tires were kevin

2:21:24

james work it's family's business and

2:21:27

says kevin the police were awful they were just

2:21:29

awful they made me feel like criminal

2:21:31

they talk to me something awful treated me

2:21:33

like awful doll though

2:21:36

two days later on he visited

2:21:38

bonnie say again him and he told

2:21:40

her about he said treated terrible their

2:21:42

six new arrest the wrong one now on

2:21:44

know avast i know days if they say

2:21:47

i did it they've rig my blood the

2:21:49

rig he said

2:21:51

that that he left and he's never

2:21:54

went back her house again by the way barney frank

2:21:56

never again leitner cigarette far

2:21:58

pretty close relationships february

2:22:00

february fifteenth nineteen ninety two sample

2:22:03

of dna sample a blood sample

2:22:05

one thirty seven dot for is

2:22:08

identified a as the

2:22:10

matching outside

2:22:12

sources of dna with crystal

2:22:15

face are also are

2:22:17

they said it say i'd oh positive

2:22:19

blood type and he's a secrete or as well

2:22:21

him and the

2:22:23

and they have they have of one

2:22:26

minus two plus they

2:22:28

say what the fuck does that mean and doctor

2:22:30

said that means really rare here is rare

2:22:32

not allow same shit so as is this

2:22:35

and a great addition to the dna all the

2:22:37

other shit there was real rare so this person

2:22:39

it was like major press this is the guy

2:22:42

so they said well who is it and

2:22:44

they said johnny kenneth register the

2:22:46

sec i'll use son of bitch

2:22:49

he was the fiftieth person to be

2:22:51

asked submit dna by the way not

2:22:53

even in the time forty nine

2:22:55

of suspects they

2:22:57

go to get cam they're gonna go to

2:22:59

come up an arrest them they tell him though they

2:23:01

find him at work and they tell him that you really

2:23:04

do to clarify couple things on your statement

2:23:06

sign out pain the ass but there's a couple questions

2:23:08

we need to check for accurate wording they

2:23:10

tell us like

2:23:13

yeah right sure and then i he

2:23:15

saw what the wording of one portion of

2:23:17

the interview and can last him as like i'll

2:23:19

yeah that's wrong and baobab law so

2:23:21

i'm you know he took the pan signed and they

2:23:23

said yeah that's fine as result

2:23:25

com and starts to walk away than they grab

2:23:27

him and fucking cop is asked to

2:23:30

, his hands behind his back he said

2:23:32

what you doing in a civil let go

2:23:34

of me and they said you're under arrest for the

2:23:36

murder and rape of crystal faith honestly

2:23:38

said it's he said you got the wrong person

2:23:40

city got the wrong person ah

2:23:42

and then they sat him down and

2:23:44

took out the car out of his pocket said i'm

2:23:47

going to review your rights now sunni to listen

2:23:49

very carefully do you understand that's

2:23:51

and ah he said yes i understand

2:23:54

and die yeah he said what

2:23:56

what is this out on on you don't understand

2:23:58

i wasn't even around that not i couldn't

2:24:00

done i couldn't either like you've been

2:24:02

informed of you're right the understand that

2:24:04

yes and he said yes but there's been mistake

2:24:06

you'll see my mom it's unclear

2:24:08

not i want call my mama that's

2:24:12

what he said my mom have been cleared up

2:24:14

wanna call my mama my mama these

2:24:17

yeah sooner they said well you know your the

2:24:19

familiar the primary suspect even sure they

2:24:21

being charged with murder and he said again pulled

2:24:23

out my mama and repeated at all

2:24:25

day long

2:24:27

so anyway questioning

2:24:30

again different questioning now now it's point the

2:24:33

he said i didn't have anything to do with it will you

2:24:35

talk to me and ah why

2:24:37

wow what do i have to say to get you to understand

2:24:40

they're like we're not listening he

2:24:42

said mr knowles that's the officer mr

2:24:44

knows you knows i couldn't have done this does mistake

2:24:46

being made that no mistake

2:24:50

and they said well what is

2:24:52

going ask some questions here may take a while

2:24:54

he said there's no questions i've done nothing

2:24:56

i'm on call my mom though

2:25:00

i am try to tell you this is mistake

2:25:02

he said i'd say that you know they

2:25:05

took him down sat him down and

2:25:07

die he said we don't need to do this and

2:25:09

they said him out you

2:25:11

understand me were doing vests basically

2:25:14

and he said you're not listening know

2:25:16

, tried to tell i tried to

2:25:18

tell them others they

2:25:20

said we're going to listen to you were we want hear

2:25:22

all about it they say you've been

2:25:24

told your rights right yes i have okay

2:25:27

great so they said can you've been

2:25:29

instructed concerning your rights do understand

2:25:31

what i'm saying and he said yes are you willing to

2:25:33

talk and said yes the

2:25:35

they go in hard they said can

2:25:37

we want to clear if you from start today we

2:25:39

know that you killed crystal taught and we're here to

2:25:41

listen to your side of its were sure

2:25:43

you've got something you want to say to us and

2:25:45

he said what i didn't do it i'm

2:25:47

trying tell us and they said

2:25:50

ah wait we'd like to record this can

2:25:52

do mind if we turn on the tape recorder and

2:25:54

he said record it and looks at

2:25:56

the recorder and they said we are tape recorder

2:25:58

hearsay and he said he

2:26:00

goes can just push this button like that we turn it

2:26:02

on and can said i don't want record on

2:26:04

a want no record or on they

2:26:08

said if we tape it will have record of everything

2:26:10

we'd like to turn it on can but we won't if

2:26:12

you don't wanna still and he said know there

2:26:14

ain't nothing to tell anyway ottawa no record

2:26:16

or are now they said i we will

2:26:18

turn on you can go ahead and tell us

2:26:20

what's you tell us what you did we

2:26:22

want work with you you can see that we're

2:26:24

not turning this machine i'm like look

2:26:26

over delivery oh and you favor we'll

2:26:30

have to work with us we can't unless you work

2:26:32

with us and i they

2:26:34

center right now tell us what she did he

2:26:38

said wait said wait listen to me carefully

2:26:41

they didn't do this i'm telling you

2:26:43

i didn't kill the girl just as my

2:26:45

mom of the seasons there isn't

2:26:48

the you know that off were asking you

2:26:51

if he said we're asking

2:26:53

you your mama wants you to tell us the truth and

2:26:55

he said he said i didn't

2:26:57

kill nobody and i

2:26:59

they said why did you killer can we know

2:27:01

you did it we've got witnesses saw you whether

2:27:03

that night not true at all by the way i

2:27:06

said said interview as an interrogation

2:27:08

recently that was watching where the costs

2:27:10

holds they did like a double wide

2:27:13

like the cop is allowed to lie about evidence

2:27:15

they have to you they can saga your

2:27:17

fingerprints all over that gone when they dealt with

2:27:19

cops told the person legally

2:27:22

i'm not allowed to tell you i have evidence

2:27:24

i don't have so

2:27:26

here's the evidence i have not only did he not

2:27:28

have that evidence he also isn't legally

2:27:31

required to telling the truth so you lie as a while

2:27:34

i was a metal eyebrow my head hurt and

2:27:36

figure out all while

2:27:38

it's it hurts i didn't kill nobody

2:27:40

we've got a witness and he says i didn't

2:27:42

do it i didn't do it what's wrong with the a while

2:27:45

obsolescence they said it to have to

2:27:47

killer is that it it

2:27:49

had to killer for some reason and he

2:27:51

said to get a phone call they

2:27:53

said tell her why you killed scam that's all you

2:27:55

have do his own get call i

2:27:57

wanna call my mom they

2:28:00

said you're not going get outta here call anyone

2:28:02

see anyone until you tell us why you killed

2:28:04

crystal they get real close

2:28:07

to him and he says we know he

2:28:09

did it there's no use to deny it we're

2:28:11

here to hear your side and ah

2:28:13

that's what's gonna happen they

2:28:15

can said what about you you

2:28:17

know i couldn't have done this to the other cop tell

2:28:19

him tell him about me boniface

2:28:21

our friends at all ,

2:28:24

the other cop to go you know why let's on top of

2:28:26

your he think you're coming out of his strengths

2:28:28

knows the the other copies of sits there and

2:28:30

stairs adam and the other now the the keys the note

2:28:32

taker is other cops the address that's vader

2:28:34

one cops canada canada up guy

2:28:36

he'll pick up any many loose ends but not

2:28:38

dick dick the weed the so

2:28:41

caldwell says clothes he can't help

2:28:43

you son in house

2:28:46

only you can help yourself and

2:28:48

can lead the way and said tell head

2:28:50

to the other guys have

2:28:52

mills said there's nothing there's nothing say can he

2:28:54

tells you how it is you've gotta tell us

2:28:56

what happened the can

2:28:58

i said i didn't do anything you're not

2:29:00

listed and i didn't do anything and then

2:29:02

he started crying they

2:29:05

backed off a little adam compose himself

2:29:07

and then a movie that came and said this is the behavior

2:29:09

of an innocent man but of

2:29:11

but his does is everywhere that's a for

2:29:14

the problem is everything else he's got

2:29:16

accepted jazz and murder girl was

2:29:18

evident that had marathon yes yes

2:29:20

and also wanting attackers mama little

2:29:22

weird so , guess brandon

2:29:24

bass you want to talk his momma to of is so

2:29:27

so said can i'd like to help to with

2:29:31

is not lot i can do for you unless

2:29:33

you help us and then

2:29:35

can look at him and he said we've that

2:29:37

dna can and it says you

2:29:39

did can says that's a

2:29:41

lie no

2:29:43

and he says no sir we got

2:29:46

it we would never rest as you have we didn't have

2:29:48

proof dna don't last as

2:29:50

they both leaned in and cornered him and says

2:29:52

i that's not all we have we've

2:29:55

got everything we've got tired france son

2:29:57

match a car for it's our turn

2:30:00

it doesn't have any here and slacken perfect

2:30:02

met the best then

2:30:04

they said didn't the

2:30:07

denticles kansas vet can then

2:30:09

said that's that's lot to

2:30:11

you can't have because i will i wasn't

2:30:13

there they said no

2:30:15

use to deny son we got him from we

2:30:17

got lot more than that that's

2:30:19

why you killed her that's really all we wanna

2:30:21

know my and

2:30:25

one cop shook his head and said we're wasting

2:30:28

time here can tell us why you killed

2:30:30

crystal i don't kill nobody

2:30:32

we know you did i did not tell

2:30:34

any of his the back and forth we now he

2:30:36

did i didn't don't deny it

2:30:38

sign i want my mama so clear

2:30:40

this up there , no mama

2:30:42

know daddy's there's nobody but you

2:30:44

boy tell us why you killed the girl

2:30:47

who this who the dialogue as happening

2:30:49

and is like groups whose know mama there's

2:30:51

no daddy sounds like killed the

2:30:53

girl eyes so

2:30:56

they said i'm then know

2:30:58

nods to the other officer and

2:31:00

leaned back and said wait now this is get mad

2:31:02

hand david when you take break it's

2:31:04

not going help us to get upset here good cop

2:31:06

bad cop the bad mans god

2:31:09

i'll help you south this guy sits back

2:31:11

and share and stands up in says my come

2:31:13

back out some answers and any

2:31:15

leaves no

2:31:17

so leaned in and said okay can i know

2:31:19

says hard on you but it doesn't have to be let's

2:31:21

just take little break to right here me in you

2:31:23

do need some guy gets isn't the only

2:31:26

thing sewer the burger

2:31:28

can survive he just shook his head

2:31:30

and and he said okay let's just rest

2:31:32

then we don't even have to talk less is rest

2:31:34

that's fine i'm in no

2:31:36

problem here ah so anyway

2:31:38

they said dot ten say the a drink

2:31:40

do drugs never hurt anybody in his life had

2:31:43

job playing guitar to church had

2:31:45

nice girlfriend that everything was

2:31:47

going his way he said his story that

2:31:49

he last seen crystal three or four days prior

2:31:52

was thrilled they said why would i have killed

2:31:54

or why it's so it's

2:31:56

said the other cop comes back and caldwell and

2:31:59

i he says are i can

2:32:02

we believe that you killed crystal but let's

2:32:04

let that go from interesting

2:32:07

will have to we have to try to look at this

2:32:09

thing in terms of what man will and

2:32:11

won't do and he said sometimes

2:32:14

a man will do something and it's just because he's

2:32:16

just a mean person know to mean can there's

2:32:18

some to there's mean people in the world this

2:32:20

is no accounting for them that is born mean

2:32:23

i guess and there's some and

2:32:25

they'll do things that a mean this even kill someone

2:32:27

because just because he with me camps

2:32:29

he nods sometimes old man

2:32:31

will do something even kill somebody cause he's

2:32:33

made made he and want to

2:32:35

may be hidden even mean to but happens

2:32:38

he made a mistake any sorry though he's

2:32:40

sorry and , noel says

2:32:42

we're trying say candidate crystal would have been

2:32:44

killed out of a meet a crystal

2:32:47

could have been killed out of mean this aura could

2:32:49

just been mistake terrible mistake

2:32:51

you understand right and he nodded

2:32:54

the reason we're telling this cat is because it's important

2:32:56

for man to know truth about himself and

2:32:58

whether he's a mean man or whether he's

2:33:00

not and the reason that matters is because

2:33:02

the difference between guilt and shame shame

2:33:05

is when you've done something wrong and feel bad about

2:33:07

inside that can feel terrible to

2:33:09

which is which is the worst feeling

2:33:11

depend the not depends on whether which

2:33:13

is the worst feeling depends on whether you're mean

2:33:15

person or not you see the me man

2:33:18

will feel shame any time somebody knows he

2:33:20

did something wrong and i'll always live with that

2:33:22

he won't always feel shamed we can get rid of it

2:33:25

as long as someone knows about what did wrong

2:33:27

he'll feel shame and feel bad but

2:33:29

a good man who makes a mistake as in

2:33:31

a better position they'll

2:33:33

feel guilty and feel bad about some he's

2:33:35

done inside of him where elite at embryos

2:33:37

that feel bad he can tell somebody

2:33:39

what he's done and get rid of that guilt is that

2:33:41

to live with it but he has to confess to

2:33:43

someone or it'll just keep

2:33:45

eating him up at eton him hop until says

2:33:48

the hollow man you

2:33:50

see a good man needs to own

2:33:52

up to his mistakes the matter how bad

2:33:54

they are as only way he'll ever be able

2:33:56

live with what he's done the

2:33:59

pretty good can rapid

2:34:01

rate then he

2:34:03

says which are you can

2:34:05

are you mean man they ago kinda

2:34:08

shook his head i know mean man yup

2:34:11

you're not mean man can know said

2:34:14

now he said how are we supposed believe

2:34:16

you you make it hard for us to believe you he

2:34:19

said sometimes people make mistakes in the world can

2:34:21

everybody makes mistakes there's no perfect

2:34:23

man the real man owns

2:34:25

up to his mistakes of course

2:34:27

is different kinds of mistakes to some not

2:34:29

bad as others and such as can help it's

2:34:31

something else influences what we

2:34:33

do our when do something isn't

2:34:36

that right can like when somebody

2:34:38

is drunk ever seen some i do some when they're

2:34:40

drunk can southern you just know they wouldn't

2:34:42

have done otherwise i bet you have says

2:34:44

yeah i seen that before he says

2:34:46

syria have we'll have a bow

2:34:49

and about when somebody makes

2:34:51

you mad remember earlier can when you boat

2:34:53

up army and i said something make

2:34:55

you mad did not and i didn't blame me for

2:34:57

get mad at me he said

2:34:59

that well i can think he got temper

2:35:01

can said i wasn't angry and he said sir you

2:35:03

are and it was all right can i'm a january

2:35:06

and said then had

2:35:08

said you shouldn't done you said you

2:35:10

may be right maybe i shouldn't have he says

2:35:12

but it happens and it's okay to say i did

2:35:15

you shouldn't you shouldn't have is all the

2:35:17

said that may be what happened

2:35:19

at maybe that's what happened you that that can

2:35:21

that would happen can't the crystal say summer

2:35:24

do some the made you mad he said

2:35:26

no i told yes we've been through that wow

2:35:28

what i've killed her and he they go

2:35:30

through the story you went straight home it's

2:35:32

rather went straight home he says where you

2:35:34

straight home take through conway

2:35:36

can because we know you are and conway

2:35:38

we got and witnesses saw you and conway so

2:35:40

tell us didn't drive to conway because know he

2:35:42

dead

2:35:43

that he said well see there's different there's

2:35:46

different ways i can get home there's four five

2:35:48

different ways i can drive

2:35:50

and you took one of the roots the tickets you conway

2:35:52

didn't yeah we had witnesses say

2:35:55

didn't he said i had some time drive

2:35:57

so i drove the ah the one way

2:35:59

and ice cool to the mall that's all i did

2:36:01

up ah oh you done

2:36:03

fucked as if you may the

2:36:05

loop around the mall but the said known said drove

2:36:08

behind the mall and then out on sata

2:36:10

out sata side on five or one five

2:36:12

didn't make the loop they said

2:36:14

well okay that makes more sense than

2:36:16

because i was confused mean we got this witness said

2:36:18

they say but now i understand they must seen him when

2:36:20

he drove through the mall parking lot you don't

2:36:22

have a put mess tv shows which

2:36:24

way drove can have as familiar

2:36:26

with the mall is y'all are he said he

2:36:29

took capella passes through the pet in path

2:36:32

had path pencil up a lot

2:36:34

of had and pencil up heads off heads

2:36:36

pan and pencil a pencil that's that's

2:36:38

worse than trash the class bags though

2:36:42

he drew rally around the back of the mall he said he

2:36:44

waved to couple friends as he drove by

2:36:46

and said he talked of people he said night waved

2:36:48

people you saw way you he said yeah

2:36:50

maybe they did in other words and me

2:36:52

that they said

2:36:54

our witness say they didn't see you at the mall

2:36:56

but they saw you on elm street the said wasn't

2:36:58

on elm street and he says

2:37:00

skill seem know where you are the

2:37:02

got says and i he says first not

2:37:05

and conway then your tenure at the mall

2:37:07

saying hello your friends which by the way we're checking

2:37:09

on right now and

2:37:11

he says i didn't say i saw this of yes

2:37:13

he did you said you wave to on he said i

2:37:15

met i don't know if they saw me they

2:37:18

say well as just another why isn't it that's all

2:37:20

we've heard his lies can you done

2:37:22

nothing but lotta was for close to three hours

2:37:24

now and said quote i'm tired this

2:37:26

ten men as a slave they

2:37:28

they said well we're tired of hearing change your

2:37:30

story every time we can you add another do i

2:37:33

tell us the truth can we want the truth

2:37:35

we know you killed priscilla we want to hear

2:37:37

your side it he said quotes a

2:37:39

lot of tops mama lawyer

2:37:42

says will talk to my lawyer and

2:37:44

then it's a completely different bag when he instead

2:37:46

choose his mom and that he said we told you can there's no

2:37:48

mom until you cooperate with us and tell us what

2:37:50

we want to hear and

2:37:52

said i'm not gonna tell you about it until i talk

2:37:55

to my mom the

2:37:57

i take a break they go

2:38:00

mama yeah okay cops day

2:38:02

he said i'm not coming down there but all right i'm

2:38:04

a note okay so

2:38:08

he writes a note saying can i love

2:38:10

you i know where you were at i

2:38:12

know where you were at we know when

2:38:14

you left the racetrack i know when you got home

2:38:16

i'll stand by you i love you mama now

2:38:20

the detective said they would either tagged

2:38:22

hector said not showing this to can they tried to

2:38:24

get her to write something like tell them with everything

2:38:26

you not when instead they of the opposite celsius

2:38:29

they they get back they

2:38:31

don't tell about the note mega your mama said

2:38:33

to tell us everything you now she wants to talk

2:38:35

to us

2:38:39

i follow

2:38:42

then they found our friend has

2:38:44

that said i i'm you

2:38:46

know he says them their eyes

2:38:48

he did they didn't see him waving like he said

2:38:51

he said wanted to talk to my mom us they said

2:38:53

we talk to your mama cats to set for you to go

2:38:55

hadn't tell the truth they

2:38:57

said what do mean where is she i want see or tennis

2:38:59

as they said you can't see or says want to see

2:39:01

right now anyway snow white july

2:39:03

bucko the mall and he said

2:39:05

what you mean see the want see me

2:39:08

they said forget that kid not seeing her nut

2:39:10

tell us why you lied about the goddamn mall

2:39:12

and says i didn't like you said i

2:39:14

could talk to my mama they said

2:39:16

no we didn't we said we'd talk to her your

2:39:18

father made it difficult to get a word and

2:39:20

but the gist of it as she wants you to cooperate with

2:39:22

us just tell the truth

2:39:24

talk to daddy to all god damn

2:39:26

and ten

2:39:29

you said you call it that he was right there

2:39:31

all right talking nonstop they don't want

2:39:33

to see right now they want you go ahead

2:39:35

tell the truth that tell

2:39:37

us why a lot about the mall and said i didn't

2:39:39

and said you dead we got the boy

2:39:41

right there you want me to bring him in here

2:39:44

have him call you liar that he had z with

2:39:46

mall the said know maybe

2:39:48

he just didn't see me out of no authority did

2:39:50

there

2:39:51

goes your story fallen apart can

2:39:53

our witness said they saw you in conway

2:39:55

and didn't say you're at the mall you

2:39:57

we know you were about that can and

2:40:00

i they said they saw you on elm street

2:40:02

with crystal that's where you were i was

2:40:04

not on elm street give it up can got the whole

2:40:07

story and new are all you got and

2:40:09

he says you're trying to trick me again though

2:40:12

they go through all this shit

2:40:15

and they said you

2:40:17

hear were saying can you hear us as people who confessed

2:40:19

for confessed crimes that out there leaving

2:40:21

productive lives right now turn over

2:40:23

when asia they said i

2:40:25

finally i hear approximately three

2:40:27

o'clock ah he thought of a

2:40:29

new know said this approach he said

2:40:31

this was this last approach he said cans religious

2:40:34

young man went church and played music so they

2:40:36

said ten that you ask god to

2:40:38

forgive you forgive which done vega can

2:40:40

broke down and saw guess

2:40:43

, they sound the button several

2:40:47

minutes later as he composes himself

2:40:49

they said ten the us god

2:40:51

to forgive you for what you've done and

2:40:53

die he cried again and cried

2:40:55

then he finally said yes they

2:40:59

said tell us about it do you mind if

2:41:01

we turn on recorder now and he

2:41:03

said no don't turn of answer like i distills

2:41:05

as soon as he , he drove back

2:41:07

from the go cart and seen crystal in her car

2:41:09

the ninth avenue stop light on elm street

2:41:12

street said they're driven their to the middle of school

2:41:14

are to the middle school where crystal parts or car

2:41:17

taking your keys and got a are got

2:41:19

in with him they wrote out to spot in the

2:41:21

country to park they started kissing one

2:41:24

thing left read to another left

2:41:26

read they had consensual sex without protection

2:41:29

and crystal got mad after he jack

2:41:31

you'll a that inside of her though

2:41:34

he didn't pull out she began to hit him

2:41:36

in justices story and fury

2:41:38

he says she got out the part of that are close on

2:41:40

all the while screaming that if he got as

2:41:43

she got her pregnant she was going to say

2:41:45

that he raped that's what his story is

2:41:47

so he said he was confused and angry water

2:41:50

to stop screaming stop get out of car

2:41:52

using knife that he kept in compartment between

2:41:55

the seat started stabbing her seizes

2:41:57

christ the about zero

2:41:59

to fuck sixty holy shit they

2:42:02

ask for details we simply said he was frantic

2:42:05

couldn't even remember everything that happened he

2:42:07

remember being very frightened when frightened when

2:42:09

what had done he dragged crystals body

2:42:12

from beside the card was disclosed

2:42:14

by through the knife as far as he could

2:42:16

and drove home as fast as his car

2:42:18

would take him he said quote i didn't

2:42:20

get very bloody how

2:42:22

sources yeah

2:42:24

he said his mother greeted him in the kitchen

2:42:27

and , bonnie say called and

2:42:29

that was that so ago he showed

2:42:32

up home after that not

2:42:34

very bloody mom didn't have any questions

2:42:36

little body and

2:42:38

that's fine though that's fucking

2:42:41

crazy south are ,

2:42:43

whether they're taken him to are they

2:42:45

take him to the detention center during the ride

2:42:47

he totally back to normal talk about weightlifting

2:42:49

and football and shit is asshole

2:42:52

just so i have

2:42:54

the ice they have they have

2:42:57

ah indecent those

2:42:59

exposure trial actually first

2:43:01

and , can said he testified

2:43:03

as own behalf and said he grabbed top

2:43:06

of my pants and kind shook it

2:43:08

he said the woman couldn't make couldn't wouldn't give

2:43:10

me time a day i felt like trash the

2:43:13

the prosecutor said you are trash when he came

2:43:15

there that's kind of person would expose himself to young

2:43:18

girls it never met his last night classes

2:43:21

which is true and so

2:43:23

the jury deliberated for two hours found him guilty

2:43:25

of indecent exposure there's that

2:43:27

south is murder trials a little

2:43:29

more important com it's

2:43:31

got fucking dna man i mean

2:43:33

the slang he tries to

2:43:35

testify on his own behalf

2:43:37

that doesn't go well ah ,

2:43:40

bring in charts with as styrofoam

2:43:43

had showing all of a stab wounds

2:43:45

and how deep they went and ah the

2:43:47

fact that she was conscious and blunt

2:43:49

force trauma and rape and all

2:43:51

this shit he gets on the

2:43:53

stand on the says he didn't raper he

2:43:55

didn't killer he didn't meet or that night the

2:43:58

city they several would then he said well

2:44:00

mama she always weights up army never

2:44:03

goes to sleep until get home when see see

2:44:05

me pull ups she got from the a got

2:44:07

up from dead and started walking the kids into me

2:44:09

and met her about half way the kitchen when i walk

2:44:11

the door the kitchen you know the bar and

2:44:13

everything is here and the kitchens and

2:44:15

there's a clock right above the kitchen table as he

2:44:17

looked as he said the romulan early ages

2:44:20

so we have was approximately i can't

2:44:22

say twelve fifteen booze approximately twelve

2:44:24

fifty thou yeah

2:44:28

the a also he's

2:44:30

talking about girlfriend i have girlfriend this

2:44:32

is crazy i have tammy and i like her

2:44:34

and i have no no interest in this

2:44:36

ah this have a wide you confess

2:44:38

news like i was scared of that's all

2:44:40

real scared so i confess said murdering

2:44:43

and raping people so

2:44:46

yeah they they about the fact

2:44:48

that they left him alone in the room and

2:44:50

all this type shit here the

2:44:53

way closing arguments the prosecutor

2:44:55

says this defendant is guilty and is earned his

2:44:57

right to be convicted and i

2:44:59

and the closing arguments with the fences will his

2:45:02

lawyer says quote they're all lying witness

2:45:04

after witnesses lying one

2:45:06

, us dna omission of

2:45:09

verdict comes in the not just guilty

2:45:11

mother fucking guilty which is us

2:45:14

it's that the often that verdict doesn't come down

2:45:16

south carolina mother often guilty minutes

2:45:18

or air once also found guilty of criminal

2:45:20

sexual conduct criminal the first degree kidnapping

2:45:22

and buggery kidnapping sodomy missouri

2:45:25

margaret you bugger that

2:45:28

is an anal things i leave that

2:45:31

thing here lots of witnesses come up

2:45:33

in sentencing lot

2:45:35

of his pornography comes up his behavior

2:45:37

at his funeral will kind of six block them

2:45:39

go there be pallbearer i'm

2:45:42

all this them some

2:45:44

other people came up came young woman and her

2:45:46

mother who said they'd received at least one hundred

2:45:48

obscene phone calls from can when can when

2:45:50

just fifteen years old real the

2:45:53

cause or descriptive some

2:45:55

rotates and they were

2:45:57

here's here's what she says quote in the cause

2:45:59

would say thing like i'm going tie you up

2:46:01

and spread your legs i'll make you scream

2:46:03

i'm going to hurt you i know where you live in

2:46:05

i'm going to get you he told my mother

2:46:07

i want fuck you i'm going to cut you open

2:46:09

i'm going to kill you he spoke

2:46:12

to me lot with lot of anal references

2:46:14

like i'm going to wrap my dick and your ass

2:46:16

and your pussy i'm going to ram the gear

2:46:18

shift any of seasons gone

2:46:21

he this woman said i told can registers

2:46:23

mother that can would end up raping and killing

2:46:25

some girl this guy is ted bundy fucking

2:46:27

it's of these a dumb ted bundy admin

2:46:30

that's what he is stupid ted bundy

2:46:32

should be the name is episodes that's exactly what

2:46:34

he has of ted bundy was both moron

2:46:36

he be like vests ah so

2:46:39

yeah everybody does that there is ah

2:46:42

about an hour and half of deliberations

2:46:44

here and there's

2:46:46

aggravating circumstances the

2:46:48

torture and the kidnapping in all this

2:46:53

vey sentenced him to use

2:46:56

our may spark of also

2:46:58

day they find him guilty of

2:47:00

the holding your against or well and raping and torturing

2:47:02

her death death penalty or life in

2:47:04

prison is on the table is that want

2:47:07

yeah you may

2:47:09

fuck off life imprisonment

2:47:11

wow

2:47:13

that's crazy or i guess because his young team

2:47:15

in a decent looking guy they're like well

2:47:18

as , are escalating as fuck

2:47:21

so he's a badge maria thanks

2:47:23

this is not good body say said don't

2:47:25

know how they could have mercy on him he certainly

2:47:27

didn't have any mercy at all on crystal no doubt

2:47:29

nor is there a sandwich see told

2:47:31

know yet ah god

2:47:33

damn man

2:47:35

body pay and can together

2:47:37

him obviously via video here went

2:47:39

on the sally jesse raphael so after

2:47:41

that yes memories

2:47:44

have a family a murderer together and

2:47:47

body face said they've sally so

2:47:49

sorry that want say to camp and

2:47:52

she said he was hug my neck ah

2:47:54

hugging my neck the next morning how could

2:47:56

you do it and be a pallbearer at her funeral

2:47:58

i know your mama once you home you know why

2:48:00

you home as bad as ideal can register

2:48:02

i want you to come home in box now

2:48:04

so many pieces it'll take an hour

2:48:06

to pick him up and put minutes you

2:48:08

enjoyed what you done crystal all the

2:48:10

time hug my next year the worst

2:48:12

monster to the rate nothing on are affected

2:48:15

crawl as low on their stomach

2:48:17

as you you'll break one day bodies

2:48:19

you'll break good one day i know and

2:48:22

he just he continued to deny that he

2:48:24

did anything didn't i came home and twelve fifteen

2:48:26

in the woods you mean his

2:48:28

, is based on fact that they didn't give a mama's

2:48:30

notes notes they lived all about

2:48:32

mama said but i'm here's the thing

2:48:35

as lot of shit that's constitutionally protected

2:48:37

i'm not sure a note from your mama

2:48:39

is constitutionally protected i'm pretty sure

2:48:41

it's not south the other part is it's

2:48:44

success like the concession that's what they were looking

2:48:46

for that's what they wanted you to make to get more of slam

2:48:48

dunk they have your dna stagger day and

2:48:50

i did it you fucking did

2:48:52

chief was just the confession i heard all

2:48:54

that well maybe they batter dumb into it no

2:48:57

then a they knew going on a

2:48:59

then the couple other things doesnt matter

2:49:01

there was a dissenting opinion though in the appeal

2:49:03

that would have had it overturned but they affirmed it

2:49:05

though two , fourteen

2:49:08

bonnie fay tod die all bonnie

2:49:10

an say poor bonnie died she had it rough

2:49:12

man i theres they said her life everybody

2:49:14

said she was just a shell every every

2:49:17

could tell it it hurt her she was opinion every day

2:49:19

over this which dont blame twenty

2:49:21

, theres a change dot org petition

2:49:25

against giving can parole hearing

2:49:27

set up bit of protest against him he has

2:49:29

twenty eight hundred seventy seven signatures bet

2:49:31

we can get that up little bit probably facility

2:49:33

more that this year

2:49:35

and he ended up he

2:49:38

ended just getting

2:49:40

rid of the thing he waved his right to

2:49:42

parole hearing and twenty twenty two but

2:49:44

he's up for another one and twenty twenty four so

2:49:46

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