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conway, south carolina, a brutally
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there all welcome to
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oh everybody and welcome back to small
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oh yea and be jimmy yeah indeed
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my name is james patrick gallow me or of my co host
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i'm jimmy westman bird you
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bundy fortunately the shows are one thousand
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percent real there's nothing embellish for comedic
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effect anything crazy like that it
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is just a wild story
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of going find the weird stuff in it to talk about
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our yeah we go out of our way not to
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make fun of the victim or
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the victim's family why james
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because we're ass holes ah
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but we're not scumbags an hour
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south that sounds good to you
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i think it's going to be a wild crazy show
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and dot there's plenty to make fun of
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around dead people that are hard for dead people
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trust me and has were going to do all
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that south ah if you think true crime and
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comedy should never go together maybe it's not
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for you but it might be might
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be know what you think so check it out
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but no complain and afterwards it's all we got the
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sites that said i think ascend
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sit back we're the ones
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wherever you are enduring the
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exercise things in your car
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so maybe not enough to public
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a place but other than that
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sit back and shouts son
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i mean
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, are the
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newness jimmy not we go let's
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go on a trip right we
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are going to south carolina of
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area like thus been awhile since we've been
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there i've the south carolina
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this is conway south carolina
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i am rather than it already it's a north
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eastern south carolina which is
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stream south carolina was confused
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, i was gonna say south carolina such
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southern state that's how it feels
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like it shouldn't even have northeastern part of
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the state are you notice her since it's
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really really difficult
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i a self care fashion designer
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that that's our that's as
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we have we just missing west was yeah how left
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out so this is third
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about half hour to myrtle beach south
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light my dad lived down there till couple
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years ago in this general vicinity
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here and half hour myrtle beach about
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two hours to charleston south carolina
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three hours thirty five minutes to
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mode doc south carolina which was
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our last south carolina episode which was
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murder it's scary bridge tomorrow i'm reading
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regimens yeah really creepy episode
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two twenty eight so it's been while so
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here we go back and back in town everybody
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and back in state anyway now this
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is in ah hori or
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henri county i'm not sure how
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it's h l like robert ory let
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that they pronounce they eighteen what
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so i'm not sure it might
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be hori counterpart you know what i mean to be
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weird they didn't pronounce it here but as a
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brass and what south's who knows
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area code eight four three since
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it's it's it's it's history
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of this town's conway is
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one the oldest towns in south carolina
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actual very historic so
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henri county was created in a t no
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one and they have in court
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house and all that and then they changed
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kingston now to conway
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bara which is really
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won that is to i as
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as an eighteen eighty three or the a
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team or mr twenty one before
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can imagine thousand town named after
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ty sweaty in atlanta
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the on a thing as
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, long as
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townsville lovely
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yeah alright ,
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he's so good it conway twitty
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his hair is just wonderful amazing seven
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and faith jesus chest hair
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his his booze face it's awesome
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yeah everything or nipples up is not
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good on that may know it's the i don't
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have nipples down for all has a much better jimmy
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i i like i as
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cox impressive but above that i don't
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see anything positive about them have know that i've
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seen conway twitty nipples down
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ever that's what i mean dunno has always
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shown for it was just a yeah they focus
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nipples up that's not positive that's because
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it's balls or out jimmy conway
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twitty is known for performing balls out
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balls the time when they say but his performances
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balls out they literally yeah
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literally mean literally balls out and then people
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took it and ran with it and a different direction yeah
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that's not it doesn't it given all you got
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because he's singing his ass off the hook
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up there so i found was
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changed though this was and i honor of
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gen robert conway uh-huh and
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then they changed it just conway and eighteen
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eighty three because they were like this is too long why are
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putting [unk] bharat on it for real that's
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too much man so reviews of this
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town their their varying here one
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of them's amazing by the way if you incredible
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a five stars conway's
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very laid back country town i've
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lived here for about fifteen years now everybody
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knows everyone in this little town and you cannot
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go to the grocery store without seeing someone you
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know my nightmare
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my become close with very many people
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and they become more like family
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very many a very many people
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just same many many a
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four stars i love the history
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associated with downtown conway especially
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the architecture on the buildings i liked
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ability to find places easily along
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the roads file of these
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other towns are hiding everything you
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, drive down the road you don't see nothing it's all in
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okay name's got side
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streets hiding [unk] mcdonald oh no
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mcdonald no no can find a mcdonalds when you need
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one i would definitely like to
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be able to walk around outside with sometimes
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i am scared due the amount of homeless
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or just mug looking people
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why and mug looking don't know what that
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s but i must be a local term
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i'm not sure the , watch out
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for the mug logging everyone everyone
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that it's term mother think that it's a
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mug sizes and description is that
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it may have it's mug a hyphen looking
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to like it's one word mclaughlin like
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in i mean it's out said oh
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noes mugs other violence that isn't
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that mclaughlin i'm not
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sure everyone out there if you know what a mug looking
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person as if that's local term tweeted
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at small town murder or you know and i said
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is there that's when i will not do got that
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murder small on twitter salsa murder on instagram
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please our we don't know what the hell's going on
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success four stars the
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things that i liked about the little
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town called the way was that everything
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you needed was right in front of you and you kind
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a new who everyone was didn't have to
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wonder about he slashed see because
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either you grew up with them are you are related
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to them like that
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and are you will have to wonder about them because you know you
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know some depth jets here's
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three stars this is hilarious
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this is a review by the way on attack
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on a website about the town nothing
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to do with any businesses that this person i've
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got three stars rotella
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pizza and pasta this is as a review
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of a little as i , from a
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very italian background i grew up
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in north and the boston where we have world class
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italian cuisine and i have two
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full blooded italian grandmother's it taught me
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everything about cook and so i
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would say i know really good italian
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food and the food at wrote tallies
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is matt to the
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food is good but not good but and it's
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really hit or miss their some food it's
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outstanding but other times it's bland
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and that we're paying price their first
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fried calamari a really bad insists
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surrealist a really bad
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i like the way for the fried calamari are
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really bad it's frozen in
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that well bred as in season yeah
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the chicken broccoli zt is really
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inconsistent know you never
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know it's gonna get an accident when i was consistent
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sick but sometimes it's super thick and
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creamy and flavorful and sometimes the chicken
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is dry wood know sauce just an oily past
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the chicken mess that's his exact words
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south i would i was so is there
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when he got that this and i want compare
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his reaction to bad foods overreacted
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of that i'd review
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it afterwards it feel like he might have been worse
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but i won't have he there when i'm gonna see
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his face to see thousand say
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is that is that thirty minutes
11:46
possible her now real ring
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promos and aadmi party ability
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no no no no is
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so planning that sarah saver
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thing the world z thing feel like you guys
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give me gross who just as a me
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that it's
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plausible
12:04
the wrinkle know that z is the
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greatest thing on our view
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, those it is you have where
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i'm at his house
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fear of reaction the guy
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is , little you assess nora for
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that i never once you not know what you're
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always gonna react to such as
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, seminal if
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seminal don't yell at ogres bad guy
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just the opposite system internal
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is an internal free to ask them than
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that manifests fund your fist of
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i'm going to have the this now if want
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to eat food as the freak
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out now and the there's
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freak way to sort this
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know salutes and sort that
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for going to vegas that know it's
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just well as that and that's what
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i do i just check out on welfare it
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once was not successful five zoc a
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damn about my move on that's all unsuccessful
13:02
lot so please enter i'll be better for
13:04
thought of hurts so i'll
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still have hoped emmy so you're happy to sell
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these assess your flight in you're
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go get hearse these i am lazy
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off of drive assists dry and
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kicked me when down but i'm i'm there man
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kicked kibumba agamemnon all pay for
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it and i'll go try deaths since i
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will i know it's me
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it's lives i , it's
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amazing how this thousand dollars on
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the way home it's finally mind is
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taped forty the office the not
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a a
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treats you like the dealer in in
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of a vacation but whatever
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you were gonna spend on let's let's go back
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on city in the nuts my policy for
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data you're not going to enjoy it anywhere just gets
13:46
subway and revived assistive
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leave the money assistive leave soon noses
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adding a says oh my job
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so i anyway this guy bad guy but
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i will say the spot chicken is good
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but it's not very italian the that
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sponsored it erodes tallies
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is a good southern italian restaurant but
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the food is not the real deal theorin rural
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south carolina and for
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my as if i'm in rural south
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carolina i don't expect good italian
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food i just don't we go columbus
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i don't expect good italian food and we go to
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fuck him you know portland i don't
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expect italian food and there might be some cities
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and to say in this cities with italian
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cities a don't have italians that's not one of themselves
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and draft assistance from a
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city with a place called little italy
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woods is get literally everything it's
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effectiveness the your your it's
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, now work and that's all there is though it's that
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sorry her means of your and about though about
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their lobsters to to the air
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and will paulie walnuts called elvis country
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ever since you're
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not going get good italian food you should realize
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that have the barbecue i bet it's spectacular
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that's my advice to of when you're down next
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south to sars air have
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lived here since two thousand here since the
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post offices awful in the mail delivery
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is unreliable what is it
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the eighteen hundreds quote losing
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packages ah home shopping
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, are very few in the grocery stores
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don't keep stock of everyday items and this
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has been going on long before covered restaurants
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low quality as we hearts and
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you can't even get good pizza or ice
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cream the road system is awful and
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there just aren't enough roads bridges forget
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shortcuts to avoid traffic because there really
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aren't any locals are redneck he and
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or fake christians dirty uninteresting
15:29
little town not even worth visiting my
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god they've lived there was there bible the for seventeen
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years for eyes on the states have
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vanna white is apparently from here is
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that right i guess now apparently
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she's from here population this town
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twenty six thousand six twenty so
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the good size area of more
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females than males by i a decent chunk
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here it's almost fifty three percent female if
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there's if there's a college here so it's gonna
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be got college town there's lotta younger people
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so the median age thirty three rather
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than thirty eight that and they
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are lower amount of married people lot
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of people single the children now rears
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twenty four percent single with children and
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that's usually than two percent so yeah
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yeah maybe gone back to college or just that
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that's why they're dropping out of college i'm not your
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race , this town fifty seven point
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three percent whites thirty eight point
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two percent black one per cent asian
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asian one percent native american which
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is a lot of southeast actually and
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yeah what is it ah two point three percent
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hispanic which hispanic zero
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hour and zero percent nationally
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religion this town and as as i
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think it has it's college towns forty
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two point six percent which we've
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in the set like and deep south carolina we've never
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had anything that low down here but the
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majority of them are of course of
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course battle seventeen percent baptists
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baptists are as we know the catholics
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of the south south no avoiding that
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zero point zero percent jewish done that's not
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happening here so i in this county
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thirty three percent voted democrat in
17:02
last election sixty democrat in republican
17:05
one percent independence so
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i mean pretty clean sweep their economy
17:09
here three i said little little higher
17:11
unemployment rate than the rest of country i
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don't have that the kids are and what the deal
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is with that but little bit higher i
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the income is also wow median
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household income is about fifty
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four thousand the rest country here it's thirty
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five thousand south seas little
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bit on low side so that cost of
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living now it's minutes
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also little bit low one hundred as average
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here it's eighty it's eighty cost of living but
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the housing median home costs
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two hundred nine thousand eight hundred dollars
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which is lower than rest of country but
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not great you make thirty five grand year for
17:44
the all our so sad if we've convinced
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yeah oh dammit conway is a place
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for you you want to hear twitty
17:51
all night long here we
17:53
have for you he conway twitty south
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carolina real estate report
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your average
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two bedroom rental here goes for about eight
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hundred ninety bucks a month which is cheaper
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than the national average spot thirteen hundred nationally
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here is a three ,
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two bath fourteen hundred eleven
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square foot home from
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the outside it looks fine
18:22
he like or has a nice will house with open
18:24
up the door and see what's going on inside and
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then you see that the living room his
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caution taped off oh whatever
18:31
the reason is there's no floor which
18:36
, you need is room that's a part of a rat's
18:38
important so rather than is falling in a hole
18:40
in their the the root cellar you're
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gonna gonna , only
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forty percent of our own as lot
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the floor as important if i walk into a room
18:49
to things i was a floor to ceiling i'll take
18:51
all sue of we have those available but
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floor to ceiling necessary see that
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early max hum you
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a it's it's it looks like it's
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there's some old answer my
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yeah it's aggressive and looks aggressive there's
19:04
a there's would just rotting away
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pieces the ceiling on the floor i
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don't understand it man i don't get it what happened
19:11
inside like propulsion idol the pulsar
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guys like got it at or something i don't know it's
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gonna ninety thousand dollars for the hold
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out for an unlivable pieces yes
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yeah i guess the outside a sign so
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what the hell are three bedroom two bath
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thirteen hundred square foot it's a
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it's a trailer it's like double wide
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and of a and home barely
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any windows in this place which is weird
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there's live it's very kind of dark
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but it's it's thiessen inside looks like
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it was remodeled actually or it's newer
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one a like that looks
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like park with a picnic area and shit like
19:44
that but hundred and twenty nine thousand
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nine hundred bucks for a very nice
19:48
trailer and then i was
19:50
no wind as i was trailer sounds
19:54
worse that wife says that i have a
19:56
four bedroom for bath t ball
19:58
for each and every be whole babies twenty
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five hundred twenty three square feet nice
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good , house pretty new newish
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newish nice to nice house there's
20:09
and it's like decorated
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free ugly but there's lot different of
20:14
and out who's like that that that i
20:16
with the called the what's the would that looks
20:18
old without it not what was done
20:20
by stressors of your and destroy the idea
20:23
of shit like that so that's all around it never
20:25
our you like something was just installed recently
20:28
for like the new trend that may be from may seventies
20:31
and weed out now it's of newer house as bill
20:33
nye glass ten years now i've hundred
20:35
fifty nine grand for lap a while
20:37
that's given pay for that shit south
20:39
here pain little bit now things to do
20:42
when a buzzer these because there's not much to do
20:44
here the ori county museum
20:47
quilt gala off
20:50
join us for the twenty eighth annual growth
20:52
gala at the ori museum march
20:54
me on march first the march twenty fourth
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the museum will display quilts made by
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the myrtle beach shorebirds the
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fit quilting club yeah and
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the conway quilt guild yeah
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the the quilt guild you know wow
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each week new quilts will be on display
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that be awarded to local veterans
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you for your service here's quilt is
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very fear is what assassin i
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said the gamma what a strange bray
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, our that's like grew always sunny philadelphia
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the guy gets all when they got i'm jean shorts seems like
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a guy who fatigues that's a bad as
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i got me affects a quilter small
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the mission of the quilts about
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since two thousand and three the foundation which is
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now national organization is awarded
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over two hundred fifty thousand quilts
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across the u s holy shit
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he lot of wealth here
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in quilts feel like can't say that
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he'll in my wealth that as of yeah sales
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they're not selling them fear that they're
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selling and make a play about who they put little
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niels bohr anonymous donor the
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yelling at case you get like burner that
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home walk around the house in little sad on your
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finger in wrap yourself in this is it
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like just the center of the band
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aid they stitch the altogether that's
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lot of on this as a lot of of shit
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loads of of shit loads of unaware of
22:26
specs or , rate
22:28
in this town we are interested and property
22:30
crime arts college town so not surprisingly
22:33
almost double national average at the college
22:35
town that that includes drinking
22:37
and doing dumb shit in the streets south's
22:40
violent crime maybe the mud people
22:42
there to the mud working people violent
22:45
crime murder rape robbery and of course
22:47
assault the mount rushmore of crime
22:49
is about twenty percent high so that's up
22:51
that's little bit too what with slept
22:53
on while every college town you're going
22:55
to get more ons fighting scissors
22:57
shrunk you're going get more same way
22:59
higher sexual assault ratio than the rest
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the civilized country because
23:04
you know who's horny or than twenty one
23:06
year olds and less responsible and more
23:08
drunk and more aggressive in our
23:10
has more testosterone gone through
23:12
there the walls and that's how they
23:14
can barely control that when they're sober that's
23:16
what i'm saying south that said
23:19
let's talk about murder
23:21
is our weakest vs i
23:23
my goodness you're a what goddamn story
23:25
do we have for you today a lot of
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this comes from a this book had great
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information a here and our
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to kill a true story of
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love murder and justice in small
23:36
southern town love which
23:38
sounds exactly like small town murder
23:41
and and yeah
23:43
that title the book you go well mean it's my
23:45
dale hudson and billie hills so
23:47
you go yeah that sounds like us a why
23:49
not so let's start here
23:51
on september i'm sorry november
23:53
seventeenth nineteen ninety
23:56
one mm go back to
23:58
this era cool ever in cool as ice sorry
24:00
again lpr we , about
24:02
that was a crime in sports executive up and
24:04
i i think it was this
24:06
side or another either way i yeah
24:09
this is the is vanilla
24:11
ice is on downswing here and said making
24:13
movies and they're not that sounds i watched
24:15
is not always in it as the great
24:17
now oh boy
24:20
if something isn't it so i've
24:22
sunday november seventeenth ninety
24:24
ninety one it's a sunday morning yeah we
24:27
got couple of brothers lloyd and willis
24:29
allen here i love
24:31
, the older brother lloyd his younger
24:33
brother the both their twenties though to
24:35
scan a couple of the this
24:38
the to this is this town is twenty five
24:40
thousand people in there's college but like
24:42
the townies i guess could follow these
24:44
big the it's it's rural man this is like
24:46
got yeah these are guess everybody
24:48
here is a lot good ole boys will
24:50
have a like quote about it later on
24:52
were
24:53
michael jordan had is found a hat that was a
24:55
nike twenty three ch on and
24:58
, they ask like it does this belong to anybody
25:00
and all the kids laugh and they're like nobody
25:02
gonna wear that around here like they're like
25:04
what are you talking it's nineteen ninety one were like
25:07
the nike swoosh with yeah the
25:09
most you know known thing
25:11
there was in jordan was on every commercial
25:14
and every mean you couldn't get away from them for fucks
25:16
sake or they were singing like mike
25:18
if like could be like mike [unk] boy they're like
25:20
and nobody is like that guy down here like
25:23
that it's it's just it's different type of place
25:25
so wow lawyer will is there
25:27
a couple a good ole boys going out
25:29
deer hunting to their eggs and either
25:31
whole family's been active in deer hunting
25:33
for a long time do this is my nose entering
25:35
ninety one nov seventeen ninety
25:37
one really saw four months away from michael
25:39
jordan representing these people in the a with
25:41
the olympics yeah analysis
25:45
we don't we don't count the summer olympics
25:47
as olympics as an olympics actually
25:51
we voted on and decided now ah
25:53
and it's so i
25:56
v they go out hunting it's
25:58
nine o'clock in the morning they you
26:00
know they stop the store they get it as
26:02
soda and i nine
26:04
am and you're going hunt new want get a corn dog
26:06
also south stop it yeah
26:08
this guy's eaten corn dog in the truck on the way
26:10
to hunting horn dog and soda
26:12
at nine am as the the fuel you need
26:15
the killing of bag for dog is
26:17
from yesterday i
26:19
, it's fresh maybe it's just our fresh
26:22
sort sort what new ones aren't
26:24
zeinab money on i they are yeah
26:26
my guys nine am they're not going before
26:28
am a stay of those nine am side the deer
26:30
of still be there nine using corn
26:32
dog does on atlanta no
26:34
i'm hoping know
26:37
i certainly think it's from last night blindness
26:39
i'm hoping maybe they just
26:41
put fresh batch on ass maybe
26:43
some drunk same through to in morning and white
26:45
about white had to put some new ones new
26:47
ones they do it they're going out to collins
26:50
jolie road i guess and
26:52
sister just saying it's nice day out
26:54
here and milligan this is good day for
26:56
hunting and all escape or shit i
26:58
guess they turned down and ah
27:00
turn the truck down a dirt lane leading
27:03
to an open field where
27:05
i lloyd was with his father
27:07
the day before they saw signs of dear there's
27:09
and like other leaving the are hanging out around here
27:12
so he he says his brother keep your
27:14
eyes open and dumb you
27:16
know they realize they're on the prop private
27:19
area of lamps other my
27:21
gosh what are gonna do here and then then
27:23
that the guy drive and lawyer says we're just luck and
27:25
who gives a shit in l it's balance so
27:27
the he's along bill
27:29
, the whole deal here down the road
27:31
i threw the field and
27:33
they're just look and they're like really like into
27:35
looking for deer and he signed a deer
27:38
in the in the trees enough running away
27:40
from noise of truck is you'll see bush's
27:42
move and our lloyd said
27:44
quote we're just looking that's
27:47
a , exactly what it was so
27:50
that willis here that willis
27:52
the tree line and looking
27:54
for everything and the truck comes to stuff
27:57
and there's a dark spot in
27:59
road ahead of lloyd lloyd
28:01
said look at there's big dark spot
28:03
that looks like somebody shot deer there
28:06
you know what i mean like that makes sense so
28:08
i they said oh shit like that so they
28:11
they get out the truck they have to reach out of window opens
28:13
the doors at broken on the inside the lattice
28:15
sauce that to do that and
28:17
will said looks like somebody killed deer here this morning
28:20
announcer they're like okay let's normal there's
28:22
deer here south so
28:24
then they spot blood trail well
28:27
in so we'll have said quote somebody
28:29
must a shot want any run off their in
28:31
that ditch he has his quote by the
28:33
way from out there and run on all the closer
28:35
we give you are exactly what their allies i am
28:37
i just what's in the dialogue am i gonna
28:39
try to make more english
28:42
south they
28:46
look like drag marks which
28:48
people will take a d air and bring it somewhere to
28:50
whatever dress , or yeah
28:52
and you know happens is a deer gets
28:54
shot or sometimes they'll drag leg or something
28:57
your that gov mark so sure that
28:59
you get stuck behind them i guess i that
29:01
be the thing so they move
29:03
forward and i white
29:05
said that's a quote it's damn lot blood
29:07
isn't it said they're looking at this big thing
29:09
in this small several small
29:11
pools of fresh blood also that were near
29:13
the center area there's grew up on blood around
29:16
here so i there
29:18
they keep walking and willis stops
29:21
all the sudden cause he sees cause shoe
29:24
sticking up over the edge of ditch dear
29:26
don't wear those so he stares
29:28
at the shoe here and i'm
29:30
he follows the shoe and season
29:32
ankle that's not good
29:34
gets closer and sees
29:37
that the ankle connects to a leg which
29:39
connects to the partially clothed body
29:41
of a very mutilated person
29:43
oh no and that is still on
29:45
the body still was still on body
29:49
the body shit it's is it's is their
29:51
on their side his body as and
29:53
i he said
29:56
they one guy throws up with up
29:58
with as throws up right there it's
30:00
me guy who are oh
30:02
god i mean yeah i'm so
30:04
he leaned forward and a his brother
30:06
had the corn dogs still and drop corn
30:08
dog is at that point you know your appetite
30:10
for corn dogs goes down the drain in
30:13
the audience the guy vomiting any
30:15
business yeah so
30:18
a for his brother who's throwing up saturday
30:20
know dear light it's dead body and
30:23
lived for says man you're lying to
30:25
me comes
30:27
over and will takes a closer
30:29
look and he says what
30:31
the hell holy shit and i obviously
30:34
it as body lloyd ,
30:36
oh my god you think it might be a woman woman
30:39
as well as his throw an upset i don't know anything
30:41
about that man i'm not even interested
30:44
don't interested throwing
30:46
up basically don't up care so
30:48
lloyds walk and actually looking at their
30:50
body and says look at the shoe and the close
30:52
it's got to close a woman and will
30:54
us as dang man will away from that
30:57
he said you know let's go they run to the
30:59
trucks ah they
31:02
lloyd is looking to see looking at all the blood
31:04
and everything like that and everything the
31:07
hair seems to be mad at on this
31:10
or this woman and there's cuts all over
31:12
her face and mahdi and it's you
31:14
know he said couldn't tell what color the hair was
31:16
because there were so much matted dirt on s
31:19
i'm so he said her lower abdomen
31:22
like by her stomach have been cut
31:24
open and
31:26
the her insides were hanging
31:29
around they know i like disemboweling
31:31
non and lloyd said
31:34
jesus that person was butchered up like an animal
31:36
let's rebuild his brother so
31:38
ah he said come on lied let's
31:41
you know let's go and then they start
31:43
thinking holy shit whoever did this that
31:45
one is pretty fresh they might be around here we
31:47
have any the fuck outta here be while or to
31:50
begin our grown rednecks with guns
31:52
but there's no like we don't have this have this
31:54
did this is of a horrible person zoc
31:57
human being sick motherfucker we need to get
31:59
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they get back to their sister's house and
32:41
they immediately go call police call
32:43
the police always ship or we found a body the woods
32:45
hurry up hurry up i've the killer might come
32:48
back like they're freaking out saying all sorts of shit
32:50
so they call it nine ten a m a
32:52
nine one one gets call i'm
32:55
here before about ten o'clock little
32:57
before ten o'clock the cop show up at
32:59
trailer and ah that's where
33:01
like sister lives and i'm
33:04
hour later an hour later
33:06
lloyd well as doesn't
33:08
go well as one was throwing up and in want
33:10
any part of back there he stays back of the
33:12
trailer ah lloyd
33:14
his sister and lloyd senior go
33:17
back and show the cops are they found body might
33:19
i be like are dry you meant he says
33:22
i go a mere that second place
33:24
again having again the
33:27
cops would be hey let's not have four people
33:29
traipsing around crime scene when you say let's
33:31
have maybe the one person who knows and will
33:33
go there would bring the crime scene unit the
33:35
winner that like that so
33:38
i will as though he remained in the bedroom
33:40
and he didn't want any part of it he later said
33:42
quote i was too scared and had seen
33:44
all that body in those woods i ever hope to
33:46
see you go hot know your life
33:48
and you don't never seen that like that when
33:50
i seen them guts hang him out when
33:52
i seen her split open like she was i
33:54
said to myself well as lever did
33:56
this was sick you know what i'm saying is
33:58
very very sick i
34:00
love by the way when man says to himself
34:03
and then then uses
34:05
his name to himself you're
34:07
talking to yourself so you know you're talking
34:09
to but you say i said to myself james
34:12
that's so weird isn't
34:14
, wow love the way i love
34:16
that i love a southern isn't too
34:18
and i love i love i it's
34:20
it's charming to me and my max i
34:23
find that say to myself well as a set
34:25
of know what that is bad
34:27
very warm him at his daughter
34:29
yes
34:31
feals carrying is what is yeah
34:34
so they the obviously
34:36
they're horrified the police go and will get to
34:38
that later but let's go back to the night before
34:41
and meet some people okay this is
34:43
november sixteenth nineteen ninety
34:45
one so saturday night saturday night
34:47
yeah saturday night and the gg
34:50
that are teenagers are hanging out
34:52
and partying and you know just doing their
34:54
teenage things that they're doing this is
34:56
nothing like a like you
34:58
know we had in kansas a couple of weeks ago or
35:00
we had like a scumbag in trailer or by
35:02
the booze for kids this isn't like that these are kids
35:04
being these kids without some
35:06
predator you know outside
35:08
adult predator like you know on them
35:11
so first of all lets talk
35:13
about johnny j h
35:15
n n i e thats his legal name
35:17
say say again j oh h
35:19
n i n i e sorry o h
35:22
john nee yeah johnny
35:25
kenneth register the second
35:27
now here he is why i we
35:29
know that means crime and sports people i now
35:31
easier his junior the sack any
35:33
now it's that some bad
35:36
going to happen to him he'll be doing something bad
35:38
one of the deserts johnny
35:40
cash register of the second is eighteen
35:42
years old and i'm
35:45
you know he goes to high school
35:47
he went to high school here he graduated in
35:50
in june so he's done with high school now
35:52
i'm but he knows the
35:55
lot of people in the area obviously so he's
35:57
he's hanging out or this particular
35:59
nineties with his girl when damn now
36:02
tell me his , bit younger
36:04
than him he thinks he's fifteen or sixteen or something
36:06
which could yeah so much for me
36:08
but i it's fine sometimes i guess
36:10
ah now tammy he tammy
36:12
lives next door to go kart track okay
36:15
and family works the go kart track
36:17
i guess to know don't think
36:20
they own but i think they do like bookkeeping there
36:22
and stuff like that so there are other cool
36:25
go kart track people her so
36:27
i'm now hair
36:29
me hi kenneth
36:31
doesn't like i can is is named johnny cash
36:33
register as they called camps zo
36:36
can ah doesn't like it when tammy
36:38
goes to track by yourself though
36:40
because there's it's all boys there
36:43
it's all a bunch of and so
36:45
it's all at so she he doesn't
36:47
want her going by yourself she lives next
36:49
door to the track or family work there are
36:51
but she's still would do that is it bring your
36:53
own go cart or is it like a they
36:55
got their own i do races know it's
36:57
like oh it's race track like
36:59
a a it's not like a lot of partner
37:02
with a with a thing it's like i show
37:04
up with their mind would put all my money into
37:06
this rate yeah go go my garage
37:08
watch out yeah it's not go and now they're racing
37:10
for thirty dollars whatever it as i dunno there
37:13
up to fight either
37:16
way cat is upset the sniper at the track
37:18
together but apparently tammy
37:20
recently went to the track and
37:22
didn't wear his ring she
37:26
wears his rank as are going steady and all about
37:29
so , now i'm still single
37:31
for a minute minute i mean he
37:33
didn't like that and i'm but i'm mean
37:35
sega sees sega fuckin they've
37:38
been going out about out now but she
37:40
said that he's she's always she
37:42
lives next door to the track this is her place services
37:44
skyn else is here all the time all this is
37:46
where her and her friends hang out sounds eerily
37:49
thoroughly tell the girl he can go to the place to
37:51
go all it's i'm that's pretty weird so
37:54
i'm either way this
37:56
particular night can it's cold and silly
37:59
it's it's more during the day but chilly
38:01
at night in south carolina so he only
38:03
has a teaser on is cold
38:05
that he's like let's get outta here and
38:07
she's like you know if you don't want stay you can
38:09
stay you can go that's okay my
38:11
, misty came over here she came by
38:13
yourself and she wants a ride home with her anyway
38:16
so you know it's perfectly
38:18
all right right said there
38:20
are you wrote here with me i'll take you home yeah
38:22
i'll stay long as you want this
38:24
crazy doing that sets
38:26
now tommy's house you can see it from the track
38:28
it's right it's mexican doors and south
38:31
yeah woods and seventy that and her family's
38:33
there too so who's the how much of escort as
38:35
girl neat how many people how an emmy
38:37
to figure out see need on her all times
38:39
how that's i mean jesus go
38:41
walk home with your dad what talking about her illegal
38:44
protect itself but
38:46
she never walked to or from the track
38:48
at night though because the short and
38:50
said it's dangerous because the country roads gear
38:52
by car it was dark out there now live
38:55
streetlights so us tears
38:57
she said i'd rather stay in
38:59
be bored she said or curfews eleven o'clock
39:01
she's only fourteen by the way he's eighteen
39:05
which is a giant know
39:07
ah right away as actually
39:09
not again is that regional is
39:11
that us on , that
39:13
is i don't i don't know at that as realizes
39:15
that is this is my daughter was fourteen
39:17
if an eighteen year old boy came over over
39:20
he'd have been he would have walked away like that
39:22
be like donald duck or daffy duck we talked about
39:24
was be gone backwards gone that
39:27
shit is not happening until you at right
39:29
now how does how does he not have any friends
39:31
that are like dude no isn't that number
39:34
you that for it as much
39:36
as a freshman i remember girls that would be
39:38
like dating would be unquote
39:40
dating the a c n and yeah that
39:42
guy looks like an idiot said looks
39:44
like this this guy already graduated
39:46
his i even c way worse yes is
39:48
this is matthew mcconaughey and dazed confused
39:50
how he's going out with the freshmen sex was
39:52
come in and that now you can't do
39:54
that now this is bad stuff that's illegal
39:57
though i'm you cease
40:00
damn here although not arrive home with her
40:02
and he said now know i'll take home and all
40:04
the start thing south sea said
40:06
though her curfew of she's at
40:08
the tracks is allowed to stay out past eleven
40:11
because or families that are so she's like
40:13
i don't if i go home minutes curfew
40:15
if i stay out i can
40:17
say out for awhile liner and damn
40:20
he said well you know again it's already
40:22
lot happy to let ready after eleven now
40:24
i'll just stay here with you and his
40:27
curfew wasn't till twelve thirty even though is
40:29
eighteen years old when his energy
40:31
of whenever the fuck insistence
40:33
or hear his it's i mean this is
40:36
your what are they all than half of
40:38
your goddamn adult movies are going about going
40:40
home when you go home so
40:42
anyway i'd twelve thirty as
40:44
his curfew so he can stay out later but
40:47
you know he's cold and she's like well
40:49
maybe well go but there's a the
40:52
basically she's like well i think there's only a couple more races
40:54
let's stay for couple more races and then one comes
40:57
up and he says this might be the last race some
40:59
will stay through this so they stay through
41:01
race and damn you know
41:04
all that shit and then another race gets to
41:06
start agencies like while guess it wasn't the last
41:08
race and his life he goes
41:10
can we just go now can we go
41:12
we thought it was the last race and
41:14
see says circle had if wants
41:16
him to have to have one see how
41:19
she said i'm staying you can go
41:21
and she said gonna go tell my daddy's i'll be
41:23
here and she's locked away so
41:27
there you go a now him he'd
41:29
been racing his boat with friends
41:31
at the river landing that day she
41:33
that's just ken was up to he's got
41:35
guess was really warm that day so
41:38
he got somehow got shitload a sunburn
41:40
and november okay and so
41:42
he's raising at night now he's free though
41:44
yeah that's the south yeah the
41:46
weather in the south that's
41:48
a big method evil guy a this isn't
41:50
anything about whatever culture shit like that
41:52
this is pure viewed purely whether you
41:54
can't help it but people act like
41:56
the you go down there for good weather what
41:58
fucking good weather
42:01
it's a hundred and three with one hundred
42:03
percent humidity or it's freezing those
42:05
the only options down that i've
42:07
, down south plenty it goes from winter
42:09
to was hot and can't breathe yeah
42:12
like that over fucking night night
42:14
there are other that saw
42:16
that saw what when
42:18
you can't win and you literally like atlanta
42:21
and then there's like this is his
42:23
matthew roderick in biloxi blues
42:25
in his life as he's looking around a city
42:27
of and to carry this process of how i was
42:29
at us and don't understand how it's this hot
42:32
it's one of us it's ross
42:34
it's hurts you can't breathe and not being
42:36
able to breathe in out of his
42:38
place arts and my dad
42:40
lived in north carolina would snow a foot in
42:42
the winter and then winter summer by march
42:44
it was eighty nine degrees and humid out like
42:46
always displacement
42:49
unforgiving fucking nice wealth or wow
42:53
, anyway i that's what he
42:55
did i so he also
42:58
be the stop at his house to shower
43:00
after this and he grabbed
43:02
his shotgun
43:04
wow where he p then he picked up tammy because
43:06
before going to the golf cart races they're
43:08
heading off to turkey shoot what
43:11
, didn't know that like is that like a dance dance
43:15
that like a dance and in a rural area have
43:17
enough the turkeys you can you is
43:19
, potluck called turkey
43:21
hunting like woody it i don't
43:23
know he said wasn't
43:25
in the mood for shooting with a friend
43:27
at asda that they drop by so he did
43:30
i'm so anyway they went back to tammy's
43:32
house and were watching tv
43:34
and sitting with tammy's mom but then tammy
43:36
wanted go to the track so he was like okay
43:39
and then they went they track that's how the night ended up
43:41
as he didn't even want be at the track yeah
43:43
he does be getting the boat and shoot turkey's shoot
43:45
turkeys then come back instead at her house
43:48
so i'm either way she
43:50
ends up i'm finding her aunt who's
43:52
working they're doing the bookkeeping at working time and
43:55
tammy says quote tell daddy i'm going stay
43:57
going ride with misty and
43:59
you know they duran said well as and came here
44:01
and she said yeah but he's cold and nominee
44:04
sensitivity severin with that sunburn
44:06
he now he's been a little bit cia
44:08
is a , is on
44:11
fire buddy severin it's where it's real
44:13
weird it's it's weird he's hot to
44:15
the touch and i used as as
44:18
teeth at sadder and boy let me tell you what's
44:21
so anyway
44:23
i that yeah
44:25
flicker you to fighting and she said no we're
44:27
not fighting no no no i just don't want to go
44:29
yet and she said he's just being
44:31
can that was or line oh
44:34
so it's kind of upset separately can
44:36
kind of a pain in the ass him and i'm
44:38
so her and says i'll tell him but we're fixing
44:40
get real busy tallying up so you
44:42
know financing keep an eye out and that
44:45
was that's so tammy found can
44:47
talk and as a friend of his through in
44:49
a by offense over there hang outs
44:53
she comes up and he says now
44:55
can we go like loudly and
44:57
people like what fuck so that says
44:59
you know you want go from us
45:01
like shit my bad she
45:03
says what's last race in
45:05
our now so i'm watch the last race
45:08
and damn she said that then he
45:10
said she said i'm gonna stay but you will
45:12
we've i want you go on and get warm she
45:14
says the have you go you
45:17
go via fire something
45:19
and then kind of started gonna put her arm
45:21
around his inserted taken him tentative
45:23
parking lot less some on cars this way
45:25
like isis like a drunk getting
45:27
let out of a bar here like hunt down on
45:29
our it's much more fun out here com essa
45:32
although there's so many girls outside yeah it's going
45:34
to be great out here come on azalea so
45:38
i'm they get toward the parking lot
45:40
and damn i guess he he
45:43
he does stuff and church so
45:45
he's got lot of church things she said
45:47
to him quotes you're going to be so handsome the
45:49
morning leading the music and you don't need
45:51
to catch a cold now so in here on
45:53
home and he said i'll watch
45:55
the last case last race of them go together
45:57
as together as as we go back and forth
46:00
this we see the sat sat down shut the fuck
46:02
up by cup of coffee in this
46:04
in this it out we got
46:06
an email with sign to go until then shut
46:08
off what we doing
46:10
so anyway the race cars race is
46:12
over i'm men out
46:14
there we got they start going towards the
46:17
towards car and dumb
46:19
she said wall way with was your car warms
46:21
up yeah only to give me right next door
46:23
i'll stay with here i we against out later
46:26
so he unlocked or door and then i'm
46:28
he got into his seat know kind shit
46:30
and he's cold and blah blah so
46:32
anyway their season the car with
46:34
ham and she's the kind of you know
46:37
kiffin little bit and sort stuff like
46:39
that make him out i guess you could call
46:41
it's and nothing in a heavy but is
46:44
like having his light
46:46
, which is highly illegal i'm sure
46:48
consists consists elite just
46:50
little illegal like padding that's padding
46:53
little law breaking little petting know
46:55
for a misdemeanor padding was
46:58
just an adult making out with child that
47:00
as well as an adult making out with
47:02
a fuck him girl who's in eighth
47:04
grade like fucking girl
47:07
four months ago so that's fine anyway
47:12
i the way this is all going they kiss
47:14
a little bit they make some they really talk
47:16
a little more they make plans for next day and
47:19
yeah because he's that busy
47:21
day addition the boat racing in turkey shooting
47:24
he also spent the whole morning putting the finishing
47:26
touches on an altar that he and his father
47:28
have built for the local church might as well
47:31
it's a small certs thirty five members
47:33
little tiny church and i basically
47:36
him and his dad as scrub
47:38
floors of the church made preparations to lead
47:40
the music for the next day and service and
47:43
now it's the big here a big
47:45
church day is sundays gonna be the the
47:47
big unveiling of new you know alter
47:49
what other suzie a saturday i've ever heard
47:51
of it so been wonder why wanted to leave
47:54
sad if only time to if
47:56
you did all this church work built an altar
47:59
without on a all day enough to get sunburned
48:01
in november for have them when
48:04
turkey shooting you'd be like yeah i'm not
48:06
into the go carts and i begged sorry but
48:08
here you go i'll be back here you
48:11
also you any other here do people go
48:13
on with flow here in a wrinkle up
48:15
your face don't like it like it's a sandwich
48:18
mayonnaise on it and then don't even that softness
48:20
as the you keep you it's not your childhood
48:22
girl for that's how you do it
48:25
or her childhood not your child's i see
48:28
your , girlfriend who's still in
48:30
her child that your her
48:32
childhood boyfriend raspberry
48:37
your sees you are adult molest
48:39
a power source masses in masses
48:41
look back fondly at this but
48:43
also have therapy because of it's
48:45
about the i went and when she brings it up therapist
48:47
we're going to make that regularly most naismith man
48:50
naismith underpowered anger as
48:52
anger team or dimona like that
48:55
so tabby gets out the car walks back
48:57
to the track enough ,
48:59
watches make sure she gets back to her cousins
49:02
are waiting there south south
49:04
if she gets back them safely and
49:07
he pulls away and pulls off into
49:09
the into the night air here is only
49:11
eleven fifteen he is have be home twelve
49:13
thirty so you know he's gonna
49:16
the size and will drive around for awhile but
49:18
when alaina my get a fig church state marmol
49:20
have a you know what windows open i guess
49:22
windows closed here on suppose these
49:24
are you able
49:27
to as it's teenager though the by
49:29
eighteen now with when you're working you're working wanna
49:31
go home but like i get the fourteen year old
49:33
not wanting me all night when we're that if
49:35
you want to stay out as much as you can run out
49:37
even if it's just as watch people
49:39
disassembled go karts you like right during
49:42
certain my room so next
49:44
up less up less crystal
49:47
stay todd and k when
49:49
see seventeenth by the way crystal
49:51
is the most eighties nineties name
49:53
that's ever existed for ice crystal
49:55
and heather are the do that you would be named i
49:58
think the fractal has stopped the
50:00
way that do my that is as good crystal
50:02
i have not heard of a where there is not
50:04
a woman under forty name crystal in this entire
50:06
country i'm star of it
50:08
i'm positive of it right this
50:12
doesn't exist it just doesn't exist
50:14
and better v is that because it's bad it's
50:16
i don't think i've met the
50:19
jesus i don't think i have ever met guy
50:21
have a memory innovative the css now they
50:23
have met girl named bristol that i didn't
50:25
have a giant problem yeah
50:28
, mean iron all right yeah i don't know
50:30
about that i know my grandmother and poodle
50:32
named crystal or yeah that was my only crystal
50:34
memory of anyway i know her her
50:37
she gave it away while my i was at school
50:39
and then i'm my i was like where's the
50:41
dog and was crying seekers my gave it away
50:43
shut up and she's were was
50:45
allowed be sad about it be sad go either way
50:47
because was addicted to mask isn't there
50:52
why not like other crystals and and was in
50:54
which see this this particular dog
50:56
was his nice dog and not my grandmother
50:58
just had no empathy for things
51:00
like that the i found
51:02
out that she was seen as a shield
51:05
ahead , fucking nazis in whole
51:07
whole i lay on lot she didn't see
51:09
had no patience for childhood for cirelli
51:13
them in our said it's had said joke
51:15
idea about me being upset
51:17
about my tv and see thousand miles
51:19
little girl least i'd so the nazis wouldn't
51:21
rape us and i was like all my a guy
51:23
it's not as bad of other albums
51:25
i have a bunny ears are i now i'll
51:27
take our that cel be cool
51:29
without having cel be great idea though
51:33
a crystal say time see the real nice girl
51:35
crystal fi actually she's not a eyes
51:38
she's not yours not your average crystal
51:40
honor as i hear she's seventeen years
51:42
old yeah
51:44
she's a she's a good kid her
51:46
mom the scribes are like this
51:49
quote don't get me wrong and
51:51
it's new start out start word our it
51:53
weren't all good times for crystal as
51:55
crystal as mother's exact phrasing her daddy
51:57
was sick when she was little bitty
51:59
thing as the help take care of him
52:02
she watched him die you know it
52:04
was so bad i had to take her to the doctor
52:06
and get something on account of her nerves she
52:08
had a sick uncle and got a sick grandma
52:11
to she lives next door crystal
52:13
hold them back and forth to the doctor for
52:15
me both of them was crippled up real bad
52:18
i've so yeah let's
52:20
see so the most her family as
52:22
i mean i say crystals a nice kids
52:24
use like taking care of older people
52:27
she's got it scares is this
52:29
is not us to that a flake and all criminal
52:32
lion hamlet again by any stretch
52:34
arm her mom said quote she likes
52:37
everything clean as she clean the
52:39
house all the time did the could quote
52:41
the cooking the washing and the mopping i
52:43
shave and cut the grass or mom said
52:46
all the time eyes she said she always
52:48
acted like seats to always wanted do these
52:50
things ah she never liked for her mom
52:52
to smoke especially in crystals
52:54
car in one car smell like smoke
52:57
she said quote if quote if see plein out the
52:59
ashtray right we got home she
53:01
a gone with boys that smoke either though
53:05
that's we have an idea of crystal
53:08
nice good hard worker takes
53:10
care of the family a go know boys that smoke
53:13
says , we are some of
53:15
which he may not as not hear him about
53:17
his nose doesn't like arisen yeah notice
53:20
smell soon as he likes of see that cleans
53:22
is very select clean things and stuff
53:24
like that i'm crystal had
53:27
been without a car for a while here here
53:29
she had some problems crystal i get and
53:32
this is so because we've christ as
53:34
a kid v do this it's nights
53:36
done but people do it south she
53:38
got she crashed for card with telephone
53:40
pole three months earlier and
53:42
was arrested and charged with driving
53:44
under the influence alcohol she
53:47
had she beers and
53:49
i that sorta thing now she
53:51
went to a party and have couple of beers
53:54
in alps or plastic cup was three dollars
53:56
have you added that would see gotta three
53:58
hours jagr s c the
54:00
three dollars worth and ah she's
54:02
stand up checked out crystal because
54:04
the cops told her that she could become
54:06
an informant and tell them
54:08
who is serving teenagers and
54:10
all is said and they would drop the dui
54:12
charge on her and she said i'm not
54:14
a rat season and wouldn't see
54:17
literally said literally won't rat won't my friends
54:19
and so she took that seats up the fuck him
54:21
he for everybody that's a stand up person
54:23
likes of bottom line south's com
54:25
the charge was ultimately reduced
54:27
to minor possessing alcohol was
54:30
she held their ground and that's it she got produce
54:32
charges of good from she got
54:34
she lost her driver's license for
54:36
few months because this is a
54:38
suspension mindedness yeah
54:40
i she got it back four days prior
54:43
to this saturday night that
54:45
we're talking about now going on wednesday dot
54:48
on wednesday and she's got a she's got a
54:50
nice car to by the way she has very
54:53
prideful about the car she's got metallic
54:55
blue ninety one toyota
54:57
celica a i was going guess a laser
54:59
but that's great our it's yeah it's a cool car
55:01
yeah so she's got that and with the personalized
55:04
license plate see todd a
55:06
so i'll get her she's got its sexy
55:09
zealand yeah dude
55:11
, rei that is he got out of that
55:13
car fucking that feat that feels
55:15
good a team that would feel awesome i never had
55:17
a car that was anywhere near new but what
55:20
are we the ninety one random
55:22
navy one that this isn't ninety one
55:24
i think brand new with their name
55:26
on the plate see that's an amazing yeah
55:29
that's goods yeah she said it will will
55:31
ready to go out she's got the this
55:34
is first weekend she's at driver's license and
55:36
month to so she's like yeah going to go out
55:38
and have good time with my friends so
55:40
a on this saturday she
55:42
had an early dinner with her mother's family in
55:45
the town of marion and
55:47
then she was going to hang out with friends
55:49
and find something to do with the saturday night and
55:51
night as and remember just leaving
55:54
your house and like for thirty on saturday
55:56
afternoon noon yeah you don't know where
55:58
you're going or who you're going to be your [unk] find
56:00
people either everything that's happening and
56:02
by the evan about you we were found things
56:04
to them again that you going call three people
56:07
find out where the rats you're all meeting
56:09
together and then sit there we don't fucking
56:11
know who knows but you are going leave
56:13
the house that's one thing you're doing immediately
56:15
assumes on a salvage his feet apply
56:17
for some like that see them play
56:19
for that's a pretty far away yeah
56:22
, parking lots arabia where you minutes so
56:25
now there's not a lot of organized
56:28
activities around here there's not lot of shit for
56:30
teenagers to do know that mall
56:32
there's not like yeah i mean there isn't lot
56:34
to do so they
56:36
would would would eat there's
56:38
a local like a little diner where they
56:40
would eat them mean others mall
56:42
few miles away with has hike right here
56:45
as you are out late night them all closed mind
56:47
so as not going going there
56:49
is a kind of a little loop
56:52
around the mall or kids would cruise around
56:54
the hour strive around in circles and
56:56
look for people and shit people that but
56:59
so she ends up to five figuring out
57:01
about a little party that's going on about
57:03
a friend of hers ab
57:05
, of hers is having says calls
57:07
up her best friend carla and
57:09
she says yo carla there's party
57:11
you got this party and she
57:14
goes he's gonna pick karloff at work carla
57:16
works at the mall and , carla
57:18
now crystal had planned to meet
57:20
with her cousin but that fell through
57:22
i yeah now so she he started
57:25
hanging out with other friends forgot to call
57:27
her south south she
57:29
also didn't receive a call that night from
57:31
her a boise started dating recently
57:33
also named jamie so she's
57:35
like well this sucks but
57:38
she said that you know maybe somebody else maybe
57:40
thought to have good night anyway as
57:42
asked my friend south's they either
57:44
going to go out going party with some
57:46
of with guess there's
57:48
i was opposed to go to
57:50
a party with our aviation school
57:53
trainees apparently so
57:56
it yeah i guess so that
57:58
was the original plan but
58:00
then he found out about a pond have dana's
58:03
pond house some rural as a pile
58:05
of house by the palm of his having party
58:07
or
58:08
though you know they said i didn't think
58:11
cards survey that basically vector been
58:13
parties as place gotten trashed and they said
58:15
no our parties as girl was going have any any more
58:17
but now she's decided that she's going to have a party against
58:19
it one more again let's go let's do it here
58:21
are they were told by the way i
58:24
that oh it's select group of people know
58:26
crave the can't bring all your friends think crazy
58:29
west as teenagers you know that means
58:31
seven hundred people show up service
58:33
it's impossible some go to this party
58:35
but can't tell you about it and
58:37
, i tell me i also learned oh
58:40
and yes i'll follow you daylights omega
58:42
they'll tell everyone else so south
58:45
crystal said yeah right said yeah so
58:47
got my car back you know i guess we'll
58:49
go that's where everybody's going to be and
58:51
you know the
58:52
rigours now let's do it so
58:54
i'm anyway they i see
58:56
cause or carla's mom carl call
58:59
her mom from carla's mom says eleven
59:01
fifteen the out be home side's this
59:03
as a curfew they said i catch
59:05
the entire time carlin crystal and make
59:07
small talk at the party so nobody's
59:10
really into partying mood i
59:13
would say carla's boyfriend is there's
59:15
well ah hanging out as well
59:17
as buff fifty people there i'm
59:20
, is crystal very excited by having
59:22
a car back and says he's psyched
59:24
about that that a
59:26
guy shows up named up sammy
59:28
the guy she likes another guy ceilings
59:31
here ceilings saw minority that crystallized
59:34
he's here eyes of the party with another girl
59:37
the she's like dammit the
59:39
as i guess they had been on and off
59:41
for a couple years crystal and sammy and
59:44
several basically that's
59:46
the way of the book puts it is that had are heartbroken
59:48
by him several times hers is one of those
59:51
yep that charming
59:53
guy but i'm basically
59:55
hooked up with crystal when it was convenient is
59:57
the way they put it and as
1:00:00
insects that sorta thing then he would ignore
1:00:02
her and you know he's
1:00:04
a dick he's a dick to as
1:00:06
realise how valuable sex as playboy
1:00:09
sammy
1:00:10
yeah play the sam allowed over here say
1:00:12
for two years to thinks , hot
1:00:14
ship yourself ah carla
1:00:16
of course being crystals thus ran
1:00:18
hate sammy with if you know searing
1:00:20
passion images of had conversations
1:00:23
with her about you you fucking jerk hear
1:00:25
how many times we sat at denny's while she tried
1:00:27
to the you you fucking jackass i've
1:00:30
eaten so many bad french fries why
1:00:32
so many early for i saw moist
1:00:34
i'm into my son
1:00:36
god so crystal then
1:00:38
would say you know i know you're right won't see
1:00:40
sammy in the next thing you know she's hangouts
1:00:42
so it's that relationship
1:00:44
so and sammy ignored crystal
1:00:46
all through this part wouldn't even acknowledge
1:00:49
your presence so i'm you
1:00:51
know carla's getting mad sami's on date
1:00:53
so he's i can acknowledge there's no
1:00:55
i'm so at one
1:00:57
point i'm the girl
1:00:59
who there's with sammy
1:01:02
sit down between crystal and
1:01:04
sorry i'm sorry sits down the couch
1:01:06
next to crystal she didn't know anything see of
1:01:08
know that they were over host up though
1:01:12
sammy weighs that girl over and
1:01:14
they she gets up and walks over to my don't sit
1:01:16
next to her shit ,
1:01:18
it as you know value that shit and all of these
1:01:20
are you talking about yeah
1:01:23
the just before eleven crystals like
1:01:25
i whenever you want go carlo was get the fuck
1:01:27
outta here you , it's getting
1:01:29
close to your curfew anyway so they
1:01:31
walk out and they drive off basically
1:01:33
marry again south crystal turns
1:01:35
into the mall parking lot just about eleven
1:01:38
sixteen and drops karloff
1:01:40
at her car car so be home
1:01:42
by eleven thirty eleven you
1:01:44
know that was at sea carla says what can do
1:01:46
now crystal says i don't know maybe get
1:01:48
some eat er og find something to do for
1:01:50
little while to be handled twelve
1:01:52
thirty so thirty don't want be home yet by ongoing
1:01:55
car or my yeah i'm having or my time
1:01:57
he said yeah she's and i have
1:01:59
my car that gonna want to do that then
1:02:01
or friend was like you're not gonna party are you
1:02:03
tell me you're not going back to the party to try to talk
1:02:05
to savvy and season i promise i won't go back
1:02:07
the party's i thought the sammy i swear
1:02:09
to god and she goes now now
1:02:11
i'll probably go try gets i mean i'm sorrow on in
1:02:13
somebody in have somebody dokdo don't
1:02:16
, it's or friend says be careful and
1:02:18
crystal says i only had one beer i'm good
1:02:20
i'm not going to crash in any paul's or
1:02:22
anything like that south very ago
1:02:25
ah crystal waited current are crystal
1:02:27
way to carla got in her car started drives
1:02:29
away to eric everybody says you
1:02:31
know that's supposed us and
1:02:35
drives away into the night here you
1:02:37
know so i'm anyway
1:02:40
i now crystal here are
1:02:42
by the way she
1:02:45
, are we'll we'll talk about this is minute here
1:02:47
with three thirty am she
1:02:50
still at home gristle as a problem
1:02:52
three thirty three thirty am
1:02:54
a yeah three thirty am her
1:02:57
mom a bonny fe
1:02:59
a stressful a and bonnie fe body
1:03:01
fe calls nine one one three
1:03:03
thirty am and says gotta help me please
1:03:05
you have helped me find my daughter she's a very
1:03:08
upset i'm she's you
1:03:10
know in a in a hold on ,
1:03:12
mind because she's we've
1:03:14
she's been arrested for a wrecking or
1:03:16
yeah and this the first weekend back with
1:03:18
the car i obviously a little
1:03:20
bit of trust is gone a yeah i'm
1:03:22
terrified i'm where i guess something that maybe
1:03:24
she's wrapped around another telephone pole that's what
1:03:26
happened last time and it's a rural area nobody
1:03:29
maybe saw her she could be a bleeding out in car
1:03:31
somewhere we don't know so they
1:03:33
said that she was so panicked on
1:03:35
the phone that they couldn't even tell if it was a male
1:03:37
or female caller they couldn't even make out like anything
1:03:39
that was going on on somehow
1:03:41
in the panic she said my daughter went to a party tonight
1:03:44
and she ain't come home yet that's
1:03:46
the line on the recordings so i'm
1:03:48
she said so was with her friend carla
1:03:50
allen they said when's last time you saw
1:03:52
your daughter and she said they went to party together
1:03:55
and they laughed drove back the mall at about eleven
1:03:57
fifteen so car that could get car then daughter
1:03:59
drove off that last time anybody seen south
1:04:04
so the what she stands goes on to say
1:04:06
i called carla she'd seen
1:04:08
her i called her best i called her friend
1:04:10
can register as he a seat
1:04:12
neither they said ma'am
1:04:14
what your daughter's name and she said she's driving brand
1:04:16
new car that i giver and
1:04:20
was or nay him yeah
1:04:22
so they say they think she has she has problem
1:04:24
because he's not answering questions they say loud
1:04:26
slow what kind of car is
1:04:28
it ma'am like clearly and
1:04:31
see said it's a blue new one of
1:04:33
them toyotas celica as i just gotta
1:04:35
far as a graduation present to
1:04:37
got her name on the back of it on the license
1:04:39
plate it says see time though
1:04:42
i'm yeah the the guy
1:04:44
says hold on mrs todd mrs
1:04:47
body say todd say todd you see
1:04:49
says yeah he goes this is mike mike he'll
1:04:51
remember me i taught crystal piano
1:04:54
when she was just a little bitty thanks
1:04:57
our i call nine one one operator they
1:04:59
know you but
1:05:02
enough with the reunion know that who
1:05:04
gives a fuck get the fully
1:05:07
and my daughter and then he goes on
1:05:09
to say remember she wanted play
1:05:11
for the church and he says
1:05:13
she says oh yeah mike well good
1:05:15
a i'm glad i'm sure glad got somebody
1:05:17
i know which would make you feel better somebody
1:05:19
that you know they might actually
1:05:21
give a shit to find this per your ten i'm
1:05:23
all the you would hope that missing child the police
1:05:26
would immediately picked that verizon
1:05:28
yeah who knows she said though i'm
1:05:30
sure glad i got somebody i know i'm worried sick about
1:05:32
crystal do you think can help find her a
1:05:35
she said i drove everywhere and called
1:05:37
them all and ain't nobody's seen her she said
1:05:39
i just know something has happened to her and
1:05:41
if she's dead or something i'll kill myself
1:05:44
so , says now now bonnie fe fe
1:05:47
because she's in name is bonnie fe by they're not
1:05:49
just bonnie a let's not get carried
1:05:51
away that's not get carried away boniface
1:05:53
sounds like country song let's
1:05:56
not get carried
1:05:58
away
1:06:00
how do you say i don't
1:06:02
love her i love
1:06:04
you
1:06:05
i'm in the and
1:06:09
known operator jada doubts on
1:06:11
the right that song writer says writer teach ins
1:06:13
views ins hold on hold on wait wait aqim
1:06:15
submitted to com way to have it from armani
1:06:17
gotta go
1:06:18
he he said i'll tell you what if
1:06:21
every starts i'll tell you what's as soon
1:06:23
as she karma harm comes home call
1:06:25
me and i'll see if a patrol mix and come out
1:06:27
there and will give her a good scare just
1:06:29
in case ever thinks upon stunt like this again
1:06:32
this is what he says that's what said see
1:06:34
said would you michael that be so nice
1:06:36
what know you're lying what see
1:06:39
, he said you know i will body say
1:06:41
and he said you know hope now be that
1:06:44
he said i'm going now be you give me
1:06:46
a call back when she comes and you hear not
1:06:48
doesn't take any kind of report know as this
1:06:51
allowed to hustle back and forth
1:06:53
in there will scare the tar out of her and like
1:06:55
what you talking about offense
1:06:58
how have your proof or things an
1:07:00
exam calming her down and say don't
1:07:02
worry so be there in a minute i
1:07:05
mailed armistice that smith says
1:07:08
it's and it's don't know where she is did you miss
1:07:10
that part that all what the fuck you talk
1:07:12
about season missing for missing for
1:07:14
foresee left more boring loss nobody's
1:07:16
heard or seen from earth don't worry you
1:07:18
call me back later and was
1:07:21
all right and he even said i'm going to go now
1:07:24
it's really sad i'm hanging out now
1:07:26
he said i'm going now but you
1:07:28
give me a call back when she comes in your hair
1:07:31
no no to
1:07:33
stay on the line what you talking about
1:07:35
your you're telling me that you're sending an officer over
1:07:37
gonna take a report and we're going figure it out he
1:07:39
says everybody knows crystal miss bonnie
1:07:41
she's good girl she's not the type to
1:07:43
get involved a get involved with trouble or somebody
1:07:46
up to no good what ,
1:07:48
sometimes it's not her choice talking
1:07:51
about the she thanked them and hung
1:07:53
up the phone
1:07:55
rather go and your terrible at job
1:07:58
cause you to have you
1:08:00
could you pass me to someone who doesn't know my
1:08:02
daughter so maybe those as take
1:08:04
, as missing person that like offer to
1:08:06
put some country wisdom in your lives
1:08:08
he gets home from her like what we talking about
1:08:11
about scared straight sets now
1:08:14
us who have let's find your first said
1:08:16
thought about that our it's sid never
1:08:18
go and get murdered or nelson what looked
1:08:20
like everybody else as well as sees the
1:08:22
top to go off and get murdered like i've never
1:08:25
heard it's never been quote
1:08:27
on our show will seize the type to go off and get murdered
1:08:29
i expect that from
1:08:33
no ones that are like i cannot
1:08:35
believe that was this guy's reaction
1:08:37
to this is a you bodies they are don't
1:08:39
you worry sounds you are yourself
1:08:42
with i am fine don't worry a hair on your little have
1:08:45
she hung up the phone was like alright bye
1:08:49
mom so , made several
1:08:51
more insists i know back the
1:08:53
phone calls as use investigator yourselves
1:08:55
he's not going to just go away till she gets home she's
1:08:57
calling all crystal friends any ones he has
1:08:59
a phone number for i'm and becoming
1:09:01
desperate every time she hears nope last time
1:09:03
saw as at the party eleven o'clock at so everybody
1:09:05
says finally about eight
1:09:08
am she called nine one called nine
1:09:10
and this time she said quote
1:09:12
i can't take it no more why won't you
1:09:14
do something about to go crazy
1:09:17
for worry she home yet i know
1:09:19
somebody got her somewhere and she's dead
1:09:21
i know she's dead this is different
1:09:23
dispatcher he so he's like name
1:09:26
like you i don't even know you're talking about at
1:09:28
all don't play piano the dress
1:09:30
side of the i had an hour saw
1:09:32
, morning guy wade petty is his name
1:09:35
he drove out to to
1:09:37
other them the dispatcher asked this
1:09:39
guy wade petty uniformed officer with county
1:09:42
police to drive out to thousand talked or so
1:09:46
c is overdue for several hours
1:09:48
but there's no a missing persons
1:09:50
report could be filed here
1:09:53
you know they could do that thou buy gas
1:09:55
but the guy
1:09:57
doing they have to write to see tie innovate
1:10:00
they do that by me and yes he can theirs and they
1:10:02
can do that so ,
1:10:04
police officer yeah heads
1:10:06
out towards that direction go talk to
1:10:08
or are they arrive at they residence
1:10:10
this is from the book a description of the
1:10:12
todd residents exact quote
1:10:14
residents great trailer home with lattice underpinnings
1:10:17
which we describe millions of times self
1:10:19
he know ah this know ah the cops
1:10:21
notes he noted no visible signs
1:10:23
of disrepair although the house look like
1:10:25
was more than twenty years old the yard
1:10:27
was small and bordered on the front
1:10:29
by a six foot drainage ditch down
1:10:32
each side of a hodgepodge shrubs
1:10:34
on the front side of house was a narrow
1:10:36
wouldn't porch less than fifty feet
1:10:38
away adjacent to the trailer house was
1:10:40
an older weathered farmhouse partially
1:10:43
shaded by for huge oak trees
1:10:45
a farmhouse had an open front porch
1:10:47
with to read wouldn't couches read
1:10:50
wouldn't couches yeah that's a
1:10:52
wooden wouldn't couches
1:10:54
call the bench last time i checked
1:10:56
that is the last time i know the ones
1:10:58
a dog involvement idea is
1:11:00
it's picnic table construction taxonomic
1:11:03
out it's those things let's all make
1:11:05
deal cushions make accounts he but is
1:11:07
there anything
1:11:09
else is bad school we don't make that deal
1:11:11
is so we know we're all talking about lot
1:11:13
nicer suppose that makes gal
1:11:15
consists of yeah her bolstering other
1:11:17
one of the is that it's it's it's it's
1:11:19
like a bunch of that point wow
1:11:23
i hand cranked water pump rose
1:11:25
from a four inch black pipe behind
1:11:27
the house officer petty could see converted
1:11:29
barn sheltering barn rusty automobile
1:11:32
and directly behind that and old splintered
1:11:34
broken through tobacco barn and
1:11:36
old white dog position to soak
1:11:38
in morning sun lifted his head and briefly
1:11:40
i'd the officer has very from the bucks
1:11:42
and far as far as as as sorry
1:11:44
my brain may be of might be a find skill
1:11:47
yeah to pick it up man
1:11:49
so body fade describes crystal
1:11:51
seventeen years old brown hair blue
1:11:53
eyes she says about five three
1:11:55
but hundred fifteen pounds little you
1:11:57
know i'm she said she's
1:11:59
wearing blue jeans i'm some
1:12:01
kind of print on our shirts brown
1:12:03
shoes white sox know
1:12:06
teenager stuff the southern uniform yeah
1:12:08
had brown leather jacket weather driving
1:12:10
your car said they called
1:12:12
her girlfriends are she said she said her girlfriends
1:12:15
are all eager to help and they are all you
1:12:17
know they're all are outright now driving
1:12:19
around places looking for her like a the teenage
1:12:21
girls are all over the place crystal as a million friends
1:12:24
everybody likes crystal by the way so people
1:12:26
are willing to go out at nine
1:12:28
o'clock on a sunday morning and go search for that
1:12:30
which is which is great i'm they
1:12:32
did say that the the officer
1:12:34
said he remembered seeing a metallic blue
1:12:36
toyota parked in the schoolyard earlier
1:12:38
that morning like the parking lot
1:12:40
of school and he hadn't
1:12:42
seen anything suspicious about it but he did not
1:12:45
see anybody in it either so i'm
1:12:47
at nine fifteen a
1:12:49
the phone rang bonnie raitt hr fe
1:12:51
runs inside says it might crystal hm
1:12:53
you know which yeah fair so
1:12:56
i'm anyway she comes back
1:12:58
few minutes later and a
1:13:00
blue plymouth sundance pulls
1:13:02
up not too
1:13:04
bad to the zoo boniface been waiting for she
1:13:07
, here he is that's one of crystals
1:13:09
best friends i just bet he
1:13:11
can help us find crystal and
1:13:14
it is a a sunburn
1:13:16
young man with sandy blonde hair steps
1:13:18
out it's can register he
1:13:20
says hi i'm can register ah
1:13:22
he says i was on my way to church and
1:13:24
dom a friend the crystals him
1:13:26
so what's up with this now
1:13:29
is little more than friends with crystal to actually
1:13:31
because they have ah they've
1:13:34
dated in the past or my age of my
1:13:36
relationship yeah is eighteen seventeen
1:13:38
that's mine i'm and seats
1:13:40
on he say logs that
1:13:42
one points even said when they broke up she
1:13:44
was like one you go out with him war you know
1:13:46
what's up with that and she said
1:13:49
a quote i don't want to date can no more mama
1:13:51
ah she said that he stinks like cigarettes
1:13:53
and only wants to do is have sex i told him
1:13:55
now i put girl
1:13:58
on dance yeah he said
1:14:00
by me and i want to hop on him says he is like
1:14:02
man fuck i don't want to be or how can fuck
1:14:04
i'm in southern smoke again cause we just walked
1:14:07
though
1:14:08
i'm body phase said see
1:14:10
like can see encourage crystal day
1:14:12
them but crystal told
1:14:14
her they can only behaved nicely at home
1:14:17
and body fatal crystal as he's right
1:14:19
not to go out them anymore she said the ones
1:14:21
who are nice us around home or off in the
1:14:23
ones that the meanest when they're away from
1:14:25
people thou yeah
1:14:27
i vague they saw each other occasionally still
1:14:30
our kids real busy get job at
1:14:32
the san te cooper electric company
1:14:34
he's got a fucking job at electric companies
1:14:36
got curfew
1:14:37
i work the electric company what you talking
1:14:40
about he was that homes or was
1:14:42
he works just as my roof uma bama
1:14:45
rule
1:14:46
i could be electrocuted at work you
1:14:48
understand that i , be home
1:14:50
at twelve thirty first hit your own place
1:14:52
also can that's the other tanks says the work
1:14:54
of the electric company gets your own blair he's
1:14:56
handsome he's apparently paying for college
1:14:58
to he's going the evening classes that i'd
1:15:00
are hori georgetown technical
1:15:02
college and he's got new
1:15:04
ah girlfriend as well who's
1:15:07
cheerleader from a high school
1:15:09
and and i and and i i
1:15:11
i hey nor a while and l r
1:15:13
get a girlfriend you've got girlfriend
1:15:16
yeah and he's and he's bugging on on
1:15:18
the girl as we were tammy member
1:15:20
oh that's yeah damning that sam had a girlfriend
1:15:22
or dot actually have cheerleader that's of his own
1:15:24
back full circle years ago for her father were
1:15:27
first full circle in here so don't be vague
1:15:29
with slack in zambia knows enemies or of they
1:15:31
are gonna say i was gonna say about
1:15:33
savvy from race attract with of your out of gosh
1:15:35
way as good
1:15:38
are uncomfortable social thousand sided
1:15:40
mean you should have known i meant i was got masses masses
1:15:43
, yeah anyway
1:15:45
they i can stops
1:15:47
by the todd's house all the time here even
1:15:49
when crystals that there just
1:15:51
start by him you know whatever
1:15:55
he stopped by the day crystal to get a license
1:15:57
back but she wanted ride to the
1:15:59
department motor vehicles and he had to go
1:16:01
somewhere else we can take her ah
1:16:03
crystal when in the house car
1:16:06
was ready when she got it told mother the candid
1:16:08
approach sure about dating again and
1:16:10
her mom said he must think an awful lot of you
1:16:12
to wanna go with you and the
1:16:15
face adviser a day than other girls are not
1:16:17
interested and that's where it stops there
1:16:19
so here he is i'm can register the
1:16:22
go and i'm can register lv a nice
1:16:24
to meet his shit right though
1:16:26
i'm she said yeah i'm so glad
1:16:28
you yeah now you can she said crystal
1:16:31
isn't of mother the mother body said crystal
1:16:33
still isn't a crystal still a home yet
1:16:35
so maybe you can tell this policemen were
1:16:37
you think that we might could find like
1:16:41
a finer says so said it
1:16:43
varies the i everybody in the sounds
1:16:45
very southern it's a very southern and can says
1:16:47
can't tell you much i graduated from
1:16:49
high school last year and don't hang around with
1:16:51
crystal and her friends anymore the only
1:16:53
thing i could tell you that would help is
1:16:55
about few parties and i heard about last
1:16:57
night a good check those as of the racetrack
1:16:59
basically so
1:17:01
, the cop leaned up against cans car
1:17:04
and talk for about ten minutes about location
1:17:06
of parties and and know who crystal
1:17:08
hangs out with where she might have gone on
1:17:10
while he's talking the copy does something extremely
1:17:13
weird that find very strange he
1:17:15
lights two cigarettes and gives
1:17:17
one the body say and body smokes now
1:17:21
okay if someone asked for cigarette
1:17:23
and want a cigarette you give them cigarette
1:17:26
and then you even if you're gentle they are being
1:17:28
gentleman with an older woman you light her cigarette
1:17:30
for your lights somebody cigarette for them we didn't want
1:17:32
to blame your your liar grew up in the mouth right
1:17:34
with it in her mouth but you don't light it in
1:17:36
your mouth and then handed them so you do
1:17:38
that after you just fuck somebody you're
1:17:42
, i mean mean
1:17:44
why it's like not only yeah
1:17:46
i was just inside you and then here's a cigarette
1:17:48
that i had my mouth also otherwise this is
1:17:50
creepy rights it's the my wrong
1:17:53
says it's growth it's weird
1:17:55
right i've done to assess i've
1:17:57
done have nots not after voting on
1:18:00
went to cigarettes and headed to friend before
1:18:03
the right to handle yeah but see your
1:18:05
friend's mom know ex girlfriend's
1:18:07
mom know that's my point is
1:18:09
a weird thing is if it's a weird
1:18:11
thing to do for do with someone's
1:18:13
sorry there's an artist your daughter here
1:18:15
put this in her mouth don't do that novel
1:18:18
that strange south
1:18:20
, said quote i don't know too much about those
1:18:22
parties for the people or the people
1:18:24
who go there because that's not my thing anymore
1:18:27
body fe called me last night nasby
1:18:29
the go help her look for crystal ball my mom
1:18:31
didn't want me to go back out the night air because
1:18:33
i had taken a cold cold guess
1:18:35
means he caught cold taken one that
1:18:37
sounds like it was on purpose like it was on the south
1:18:39
i was like twelve on cold tonight nice said you
1:18:41
know what fuck and i grabbed it now my car
1:18:43
wanna grab that cold man sits
1:18:45
on the don't need our damn
1:18:48
and ship some friends and for
1:18:50
now more pay for it so on
1:18:52
he said so on her when i had heard
1:18:55
about the party's i also told road call the hospital
1:18:57
to see if press the was there and the cops
1:18:59
said did you did you call the hospital when he
1:19:01
said yes sir i called but told me there
1:19:03
was no one there by that name in the emergency room
1:19:05
fun i called miss body and told her that
1:19:08
this body they said about
1:19:10
what time was that he said oh about one
1:19:12
fifteen or some time afterwards and
1:19:14
he said you can talk to my mom she was there with
1:19:16
me the they wrote down his phone number
1:19:19
and he said wish i could tell you more officer
1:19:21
but don't know anything about where she was last
1:19:23
night or anything about the party school was that
1:19:25
themselves in a cell i can do
1:19:28
he shook hands with copy hugged bonnie
1:19:30
faith told not to worry he
1:19:32
said go crystals probably at friend's house
1:19:34
and just fell asleep i'm sure she'll be okay
1:19:36
after church or come back and help you look for
1:19:38
his of yeah maybe she tied one
1:19:41
on and because she got that the why should and one
1:19:43
a fucking tell you cause you'd beating on mean
1:19:45
maybe season hung over passed out at somebody's house
1:19:47
it happens we'll figure it out south of
1:19:50
, bonnie faith thanked him and
1:19:52
see said quote you're the best friend crystal
1:19:55
as ever had can i just don't know what
1:19:57
she would ever do without you are itself
1:20:00
that same day couple hours
1:20:02
while actually about an hour later as
1:20:04
when the allen brothers find
1:20:07
a body out here
1:20:10
nine am nine a m same
1:20:12
time ah so anyway
1:20:15
they active
1:20:17
and the allen's have now to get
1:20:20
our parallel to this the allen's the lloyd
1:20:22
senior lawyer jr and void
1:20:24
sister have the all
1:20:26
taken this cop out to where they found this that
1:20:29
body nom here so
1:20:31
the cop is looking down the it
1:20:33
out down the dirt lane and immediately think
1:20:35
and holy shit how hell are going preserve evidence out
1:20:37
here number one these two brothers
1:20:39
have been fucking traipsing about it's outdoors
1:20:42
or swear core and i wouldn't
1:20:44
have corn dogs on the ground as i
1:20:46
, process that evidence so
1:20:49
we don't know what it's made of sir we tried tried
1:20:53
ran it through the lab or were were stumped
1:20:55
frankly we win another one from those
1:20:57
chemical or the occupiers or whatever
1:20:59
it's called couldn't find out what it's what
1:21:01
the strangest thing there's definitely no corn
1:21:05
ah happened but there's no grogan
1:21:08
as the very little dog but we did find
1:21:10
some dog were thinking it is a
1:21:12
sharp hey possibly of shout outs
1:21:17
and i will go back to your memory work rather just
1:21:19
have long as mode where guess and wiener
1:21:21
dog view , are you
1:21:23
i heard that case and oh
1:21:27
man so i've got this
1:21:29
officer the he's shown the place
1:21:31
and dumb
1:21:33
know he sees all this is like all
1:21:35
my god this is obviously it's a fucking
1:21:37
nightmare i mean this is horrible
1:21:40
there's blood pooled and the road blood soaking
1:21:42
everywhere of circling around the body
1:21:45
i'm a the cop knew right away there
1:21:47
can't be any more blood miss by others puddles
1:21:49
giants finals of one everywhere he
1:21:52
thought this thought this why
1:21:54
did somebody do this this is obviously not
1:21:56
a away to do this is our drugs
1:21:58
and not just silencing by a
1:22:00
bf this is a horrible fucking brutal
1:22:03
overkill it's mean there's the intestines
1:22:06
, taken out like that's not normal normal
1:22:08
they said judging by the job that marks
1:22:11
on dirt road they think this victim had
1:22:13
been had struggled with the
1:22:15
assailant before she was killed drag
1:22:17
marks to the debts approximately ten feet
1:22:19
from the bloodstains indicated that she
1:22:21
was dragged to the debts while dying or
1:22:23
dead possibly and i'll obviously
1:22:25
that to conceal body the position
1:22:28
of the body in the debts indicated that
1:22:30
she was thrown or heaved
1:22:32
into the five foot detroit debts ravine
1:22:34
that placed as tossed into that's
1:22:36
like a beggar garbage on there
1:22:39
were tire marks in the dirt and sand
1:22:41
on the right road possibly including
1:22:43
those are the hunters thou that's the thing they are no elses
1:22:45
them back them the pact soil
1:22:48
would probably make a tire and footprint identification
1:22:50
difficult if not impossible as it's not
1:22:53
dusty act down pretty good
1:22:55
south you're not going to get a lot out it's
1:22:57
ah the lack of tire the
1:22:59
you know marks are prince through the blood
1:23:01
and the narrow road indicated that the probable
1:23:03
that was probably where they stop was pre that
1:23:06
and as in south the physician
1:23:08
the bloodstain relative to the probable
1:23:10
parking spots suggested that the struggle
1:23:13
had started in one spot and moved to
1:23:15
the final murder locations they
1:23:18
, a gold colored herringbone
1:23:20
necklace to probably they said last
1:23:22
when the victims throat was slashed because
1:23:24
her throat slashed as well talk about the
1:23:26
wounds and was found next
1:23:28
to the bloodstain also gold
1:23:30
hearing found on the ground close to the body
1:23:33
as well now the evidence
1:23:35
teams talked about that this
1:23:37
is possibly a sex related crime
1:23:39
with the partial clothing hair i
1:23:41
even found with her belt and blue jeans
1:23:43
on fast and then pull down around her hips
1:23:45
and shirt was pulls up and torn
1:23:48
along with her bra pulled up and all of that
1:23:50
and buttons from her shirt or missing which missing sign
1:23:52
was ripped open the
1:23:55
large amount of blood on her face and a
1:23:57
what they described as a gaping three to
1:23:59
four inch oh across the throat area
1:24:02
they are throated been
1:24:04
slashed they think more than once that's
1:24:08
fucking bathers stavros several stab
1:24:10
wounds and slash wounds in the abdomen area
1:24:12
i thought to the stomach that
1:24:15
is you , like said disemboweling
1:24:17
martin ah i'm and
1:24:19
i have bloodstained fingerprints on her
1:24:21
left side under her arm like on a raptor
1:24:23
my the arm and tosser autopsy
1:24:27
said that i'm here once
1:24:29
they figure it out this it's crystal by
1:24:31
the way mrs vs crystal say they signed
1:24:33
out when they do they autopsy obviously
1:24:36
fucking horrible man arms the
1:24:39
autopsy revealed i that
1:24:42
her outer skin was first examined
1:24:44
for cuts bruises wounds and puncture marks
1:24:46
there were thirty five separate
1:24:48
cuts and stab wounds thirty five
1:24:51
thirty five seven bruises
1:24:53
and three abrasions this is
1:24:55
really the teaser somebody attacked
1:24:57
the hell out some of the wounds are
1:24:59
made before she died some while
1:25:02
she died and some after all my
1:25:04
guess is as the an attack on
1:25:06
her face had been caught on her left cheek
1:25:09
on her right eyebrow below the right
1:25:11
eye and below the inside corner of the
1:25:13
right i she had bruises on
1:25:15
her left temple upper and lower lip right
1:25:17
eyebrow right upper eyelid and in the right
1:25:19
temporal area there were three knife
1:25:21
wounds to the neck any of which could have been fatal
1:25:24
all three of the our throats slashing
1:25:26
thoughts had been moved from behind
1:25:28
her right ear down across the middle
1:25:30
front of her neck and up the left side of
1:25:32
her neck to me hi behind
1:25:35
them below the last year old lying around
1:25:37
all way around on the so
1:25:39
they couldn't measure the deaths of these three cats
1:25:41
basically she almost they almost
1:25:43
took her head off obviously yeah it was like
1:25:45
nicole simpson and that sounds awesome
1:25:49
after the sweeping motion of
1:25:51
the first got from ear to ear the knife had been inserted
1:25:53
into the caught for a second slashing motion
1:25:56
is that's i
1:25:58
can't tell then we inserted for yet third
1:26:00
slashing caught the knife
1:26:02
cut slab rat slash all the way through
1:26:04
the tissues including the windpipe and
1:26:07
nearly resulted in total decapitation
1:26:09
the medical examiner reported that the spinal column
1:26:12
and bones of the neck or are ah
1:26:14
we're all that had kept crystals had attached
1:26:16
her body is from it yeah
1:26:19
they they there was actual slices
1:26:22
into the bones of spinal column if got
1:26:24
sales hampering was people are capable
1:26:26
of that can isolate insane
1:26:29
are also six more stab wounds in
1:26:31
her chest measuring slightly more than a half
1:26:33
inch long and approximately two and quarter inches
1:26:35
deep one , the moon's products
1:26:37
rated the right long one nice thought
1:26:39
was made to the middle of the stomach under the breastbone
1:26:41
into the liver this is while she was still alive
1:26:44
by like ah twice
1:26:46
she'd been stabbed in the back with such force
1:26:48
that the night stuck into the bone the spinal
1:26:50
column another three
1:26:52
and steep wound was made between the ribs
1:26:55
and penetrated the aorta most
1:26:57
the and additional my plunges into her abdomen
1:26:59
mermaid after she had died and penetrated
1:27:01
delivering small bowel as it was
1:27:03
also to wounds and open up the abdomen
1:27:05
wall and that's why her intestines are
1:27:08
coming out liver did the have harvard
1:27:10
and blood it out it's wow
1:27:13
i'm they did a sample of or
1:27:15
budget no drugs or anything and her she was
1:27:17
positive for caffeine is as without
1:27:19
coffee and or something like that yeah but
1:27:21
nothing else in there are ,
1:27:24
bloodstains the crime scene rematch against
1:27:26
her blood so they made positive identification
1:27:28
this is when dnase just coming out of gonna
1:27:30
be a huge thing this case south south
1:27:33
the medical examiner spent three wounds on the
1:27:35
underside of her left hand wonder where thumb
1:27:37
wonder middle finger when we're ring finger
1:27:40
and they the police believe
1:27:42
that these were defensive wounds obviously
1:27:45
examination of the head showed
1:27:47
three stab wounds and left side that
1:27:49
penetrated the skull and past and were brain
1:27:51
wow man fuck man
1:27:53
that's fucking awful sit around
1:27:56
go right i i get has
1:27:58
to be yeah that's not like you good
1:28:00
day at work around and nine defy that his
1:28:02
rage one of the medical examiner
1:28:04
said that he had never in the four
1:28:06
hundred plus autopsies he performed
1:28:08
seen nice seen nice stabbed
1:28:11
so deeply penetrate the brain ever
1:28:14
i'm a quote was extraordinary
1:28:16
that so much power was used to actually penetrate
1:28:19
skull not once but three different times
1:28:22
oh my god they examined i
1:28:25
heard from her clothing noted that the was
1:28:27
nice holes in bloodied shirt aligned
1:28:29
with knife holes and back knife wounds and back
1:28:32
the alive as the holes in clothing gave him
1:28:34
idea about posture of her work
1:28:36
that how she wasn't she was stabbed ah
1:28:39
i'm so the basically
1:28:42
like they can tell what position she was and by
1:28:44
the way the shirt would line up on run immune
1:28:46
to stab wounds ah i'm they
1:28:48
ruled that the cause of death as
1:28:50
bleeding obviously odyssey bled
1:28:52
out ah , stay
1:28:55
concluded that she was conscious during the
1:28:57
several minutes tough for her to die hards
1:28:59
cotton stabbed repeatedly as she lay bleeding
1:29:01
and die die fucking
1:29:04
horrible oh it gets worse
1:29:06
jimmy ah do is also
1:29:08
ah do was also terrible sexual
1:29:10
attack as well positive for same
1:29:13
the everywhere every possible
1:29:15
play sick of meanwhile damn significant
1:29:19
bruising around the virginal and rectal
1:29:21
areas as well from blunt force monster
1:29:25
a it was it was i'm a
1:29:27
fucking horrible so and they found
1:29:29
in our seem in there and everything
1:29:31
else south they said that
1:29:33
are v pathologist determined
1:29:35
in had been a quote very controlled and deliberate
1:29:38
attack
1:29:39
so they are like holy shit this is
1:29:41
this is horrible like this is the yeah
1:29:43
we gotta we gotta figure out or who dennis
1:29:46
because this person is dangerous
1:29:49
this is a this is fuckin this
1:29:51
is what ted bundy's rowdies look like
1:29:53
i'd and this is the type place they would be found
1:29:55
out i mean this morning this is that this
1:29:57
as bad as is real bad as a scary
1:30:00
everybody not only obviously in her family
1:30:02
the damage think of they are different
1:30:04
but i mean just as anybody in public
1:30:06
you're thinking holy shit so
1:30:09
, took thirty eight photographs of body from
1:30:11
several angles and ah videotape the crime
1:30:13
scene plaster casts made of the
1:30:15
footprints entire impressions and a but
1:30:17
small envelopes of dirt and plastic bags
1:30:20
like they were not fucking around here this was
1:30:23
was day yeah seen on t v were
1:30:25
doing all of all back
1:30:27
the real deal have a big enough bag
1:30:29
for this round me because i wanted all our
1:30:32
average drop average dirt take weird
1:30:34
drop a again and exact oh not and were caught
1:30:36
the first the top
1:30:38
it's a top soil off the top of tell you
1:30:40
whether we're gonna backhoe this whole
1:30:42
lot
1:30:44
because if as they they want find who the
1:30:46
fuck is this yeah though
1:30:48
they did that the plaster casts
1:30:50
small and loves the dirt dirt for swabs
1:30:52
were taken from the blood the road additional
1:30:54
swabs are taken from a brick found the golly
1:30:57
along or the road here also
1:31:00
, were to condom packages and one
1:31:02
condom and a black and orange
1:31:04
piece of material because
1:31:06
the crime scene also showed seen
1:31:08
signs of struggle they have hair and
1:31:10
skin they said maybe under her fingernails
1:31:13
at the trying to get blood from somebody
1:31:15
else and ship from under fingernails sounds
1:31:17
like an orange piece of material the
1:31:20
a piece of material is always said here now
1:31:22
the officer in one officer says to the other
1:31:24
officer you can probably changed report on that
1:31:26
missing girl i think we found our answer
1:31:28
, do they change are officially from a
1:31:31
i missing person to a murder victim
1:31:33
at this point south south have
1:31:35
to go notify poor bonafide this
1:31:39
horrible this is gonna be as
1:31:41
some mrs bad south i'm
1:31:43
, said i'm sorry as isn't the same
1:31:46
guy who went out sound the body he said i'm
1:31:48
i'm sorry to have to bring this bad news
1:31:50
to you miss todd and see said
1:31:52
you found my crystal and she's dead ain't
1:31:54
shit and i'm he said
1:31:57
yes it's my unfortunate responsibility will
1:31:59
formulate your daughter and found dead and
1:32:01
see says ya better come in and invites
1:32:03
them inside this inside this horrible so they talk
1:32:05
to her the and
1:32:08
she said jesus
1:32:10
christ he said i don't want to live neither at this point
1:32:13
dam she's apoplectic apoplectic
1:32:15
they're they don't know what to do i you know
1:32:17
they're trying to helper and
1:32:19
now my guess console
1:32:22
her the best you can do here i'm
1:32:25
so she finally she starts crying after
1:32:27
awhile here and dumb though
1:32:30
he said them to rise to tell
1:32:32
her what he knew what he knows here
1:32:35
he said this is what we found out so far crystal
1:32:37
attended a party with a friend and
1:32:39
then dropped her off at the mall pick up her
1:32:41
car and that was the last time anyone reported seeing
1:32:43
her alive that's all we know and
1:32:45
you told us that is or anything else is there
1:32:47
anything you could think and she
1:32:50
said crystal always loved parties to
1:32:52
love to talk to her friends on phone and ride around
1:32:54
with them on friday saturday nights now
1:32:57
i'm the ah she talks he's a crystal didn't
1:32:59
didn't who are like for
1:33:01
boys or girls to be jealous of other friends
1:33:03
because she wanted to have lot of friends it
1:33:05
didn't matter she loved children and animals
1:33:08
people of all ages they loved her to
1:33:10
and i mean i said as he sounds like a wonderful
1:33:12
person they said his or anything else
1:33:14
you can tell us about your daughter that would help us
1:33:16
find her killer and she said while
1:33:18
quote are no are nothing
1:33:21
but she used be the assisted piano player
1:33:23
in church but she didn't want to do it no more i
1:33:25
believe some of friends are could
1:33:27
made fun of her ah i don't know she
1:33:30
didn't like to the didn't like
1:33:32
too many black people in
1:33:35
like too many like didn't have lot
1:33:37
of black friends still like the many black
1:33:39
people in the same places around the
1:33:42
i see lot of different ways of can go was
1:33:44
go statement moniker get the idea is
1:33:47
com as she liked go to movies and
1:33:49
eat out that source that she likes
1:33:51
movies eating out and doesn't like black people
1:33:53
that the we're not on
1:33:55
and rates as a piano trainer at she
1:33:57
just she sorry give out any information he
1:33:59
answers and they'd have obvious you know normal
1:34:01
confusion and panic and i
1:34:03
think rattling off all kinds anything as
1:34:06
i am not saying that she thought about she's like
1:34:08
the most important thing is he doesn't like lads
1:34:10
now are saying but either way
1:34:12
she said she didn't like anyone to stare
1:34:14
at her when she was busy ah which
1:34:16
she got from me and would she got honest
1:34:18
for me the center
1:34:20
like okay let her talk police
1:34:23
then talk to carla who was with
1:34:25
her that night with crystal and carla
1:34:27
said wow oh
1:34:29
this boy was there but he wouldn't talk to her
1:34:31
i told he was no good but she likes
1:34:34
she liked them for some reason i could never
1:34:36
figure out why sammy bird is his
1:34:38
name he was there with another girl and
1:34:40
didn't even say hello to crystal the girl
1:34:42
even came sat the couch where we were
1:34:44
right beside crystal spinal think she
1:34:46
knew anything crystal certainly didn't say
1:34:48
anything the her it was shortly after that
1:34:50
the crystal told me she was ready to leave whenever
1:34:52
i was so when i told
1:34:54
her few minutes later i need to go get home on
1:34:57
time she jumped out practically ran
1:34:59
to the door though i'm
1:35:01
she said i was supposed to be home by eleven fifteen
1:35:03
but was little late we left and eleven
1:35:05
and back to the mall to my card eleven thirteen
1:35:08
as what should set in car when she started on that
1:35:10
was with her were that's funny thing is when you're a
1:35:12
teenager and laser and you know
1:35:14
exactly when you got my cards aren't allowed in like
1:35:16
spock it's a i you know exactly when was
1:35:19
that glowing digital display right
1:35:21
in the center of the car was set out for me
1:35:23
since i know bright bright
1:35:25
blue yeah you're right i just know
1:35:27
the old than that dangers number so
1:35:30
, ask for you i was she upset by seeing
1:35:32
sammy and that he talked to him to to argue
1:35:34
with maybe at the party party
1:35:37
carlos as know nothing that's what upset or
1:35:39
she saw him night before and
1:35:41
rode around with him in friend of his i don't
1:35:43
know who she said he was real nice to
1:35:45
her then i think she went to the party
1:35:47
hoping the see the and then she dead
1:35:49
news of another girl and ignoring her so she was
1:35:51
upset about it so they
1:35:53
said was or anyone else see my to talk to that maybe
1:35:55
she would see later as you know see like
1:35:58
exchange numbers or whatever the fuck him said
1:36:00
no i nobody saw nothing nobody that i
1:36:02
saw said ,
1:36:04
didn't get an argument with anybody was like girl
1:36:06
she bumped into maybe you know whatever she
1:36:08
said though she saw the castle times
1:36:10
of censored semi was there was girl that's all i
1:36:12
know that's it so they said were
1:36:14
sammy saw at the party when he left and
1:36:16
she said yeah he went back into the house
1:36:18
of his day earlier and that's the last time we
1:36:20
saw him him a civil would
1:36:22
you talk about on way to mall she said just a
1:36:24
regular i tried to get her to not beat i
1:36:27
saw upset over sammy i told
1:36:29
she was i was , was
1:36:31
she could do better in their me laugh little
1:36:33
them she seemed minute okay about and
1:36:36
ah she said knew she was sad but you know madigan
1:36:39
over shit basically so they said
1:36:41
it crystal say anything about she was going to do
1:36:43
when she left and they said no she usually
1:36:45
likes to eat or something like that didn't
1:36:47
have to be in insults like twelve thirty so
1:36:49
she just said she was going to look for something deal
1:36:52
something don't think she wanted be by yourself if
1:36:54
i had just and
1:36:56
then she trailed off like i did i do
1:36:59
they say well more questions you know anybody
1:37:01
that crystal hung around with that could do this kind
1:37:03
of thing like anybody maybe somebody
1:37:05
in a gang or a cult of sometimes
1:37:08
wow there is the one cult that
1:37:10
she hangs around with now but that god
1:37:12
now she starts with there's the other called
1:37:14
though that she used to hang out with like yes
1:37:17
he left a gangs and cults being a fucking
1:37:19
them or world teenage girl season
1:37:21
with all the gangs results like gangs
1:37:24
in the colts would been the first thing a dog about
1:37:26
don't think you would have heard sammy bird's name
1:37:28
if that things were around
1:37:30
here with well see as in cult that likes
1:37:32
to sacrifice seventeen year old girls
1:37:34
but mean besides that iraq i think amount
1:37:36
of the
1:37:39
dumb fuck inside as likewise city seasonal
1:37:41
lead with that was the so
1:37:44
this carla's with her dad during
1:37:46
the questioning state says that she looked
1:37:48
the click of cop like
1:37:50
the you have carpet five heads then turned
1:37:52
to her dad and said no i
1:37:54
i don't understand the question of soon
1:37:56
it really even understand like
1:37:58
ganger cold within talking about
1:38:01
so on and they should
1:38:03
know the details the murders she thought
1:38:05
at this point that scarlet had been
1:38:07
accidentally run over by car and left
1:38:09
to die in a ditch that was the rumor
1:38:11
that was going around that she was found
1:38:13
a ditch so ,
1:38:15
like why would cult hit someone a car lieberman
1:38:17
a debts or gang had sent a gang assassination
1:38:20
whatever the fuck so i'm
1:38:22
yeah then she didn't learn until later
1:38:25
on when she knocked his mom and everything like
1:38:27
thousand she said i wish
1:38:29
could help brown have any idea would want kill crystal
1:38:32
she had so many friends nobody everyone liked
1:38:34
or so back to the time house of
1:38:36
bonnie say here carla
1:38:38
goes over the house but bonnie fe
1:38:40
to pass serve condolences and all
1:38:42
that sort of shit or
1:38:44
crystals cousin kevin james out
1:38:46
there and there says in as being
1:38:48
fat funny and funny and
1:38:50
of rats on even death trying to
1:38:52
be fine it's have you
1:38:54
know they talked a little bit i there
1:38:57
and they
1:38:59
are they looked she looked down towards the
1:39:01
towards the bushes in there was somebody over
1:39:03
there is she said who's that and
1:39:06
the cousin said that's can thrown up the bushes
1:39:09
they said the caddesi sick
1:39:11
and the cousin said yes and later gave
1:39:14
him some punch that made him sick and can
1:39:16
okay so they're all
1:39:18
talking and ah the three of them are
1:39:20
talking and of the allen brothers
1:39:22
call to talk the bonnie faith during this time
1:39:24
that he blew found the bodies everybody
1:39:26
knows everybody okay oh
1:39:28
god what are they gonna say to her though there
1:39:31
aren't good person who found
1:39:35
the nurse and who found this
1:39:37
is correct yeah it's so weird that the person found
1:39:39
the body knows the mother and the mother knows
1:39:41
the night on one dispatcher does is all due to
1:39:44
watch i'm waiting for the mayor's show up and rights
1:39:46
around the crime scene and yes up evidence like
1:39:48
other episodes events episodes
1:39:51
they end up they're
1:39:53
desperate for information so
1:39:56
the allen brothers how
1:39:58
the shoes they said you know we don't wanna talk what
1:40:00
happened to insist on i want know that damage
1:40:02
they said or i will is what we saw sin
1:40:05
though she comes outside
1:40:08
and hangs up the phone and comes outside to
1:40:10
the kids are out there the teenagers at
1:40:12
kevin james in them that carla
1:40:14
and can and says
1:40:16
young ins and so she announces as
1:40:18
young as he said she was butchered like hard
1:40:22
was is a horrible thing mr
1:40:24
fuck in here i'm shirley
1:40:27
who is cans mother she was there was well she
1:40:29
most motion to can that she was gonna leave
1:40:31
at that point so can i
1:40:33
followed and he watched his mother sister
1:40:36
drive away and anyway
1:40:39
when kevin came out are they they came out the
1:40:41
house and i'm one
1:40:43
of his friends said hey can we going ride over
1:40:45
to collins joe a jolie where they
1:40:47
found crystal this morning want to go with us
1:40:50
who wants to go find the what
1:40:52
why why would you want do that he
1:40:54
said no don't think so y'all
1:40:56
go ahead and they said how come
1:40:58
you don't want to i don't know because
1:41:00
it's fucking weird that is why i'm gonna go with
1:41:02
weird that's why he
1:41:05
said i just don't i don't think can handle
1:41:07
it in our friend them i don't wanna go look her
1:41:09
blood panel right now is the horrible seizes
1:41:12
, wow that's weird weird
1:41:14
they hold press conference here chief
1:41:17
of police chief harris old the press conference
1:41:19
asking anyone who had any information on the
1:41:21
case to come forward he
1:41:23
said quote it's the most brutal crime
1:41:26
some of my men have ever seen we've
1:41:28
had our we have questioned more than questioned hundred
1:41:30
people and are going on the theory that everyone
1:41:32
is that suspect or suspects are being
1:41:34
eliminated one by being and all we can say
1:41:37
is we believe this todd was killed by someone
1:41:39
we knew because she was not the type of person
1:41:41
who would pick up and go off with someone she didn't know
1:41:44
thou yeah her
1:41:46
funeral more than fifteen hundred people
1:41:48
show up for that which is a good
1:41:51
chunk of a town at that point of it wasn't twenty
1:41:53
five thousand people in it back then so it's and
1:41:55
persona town
1:41:56
more that think is more net so
1:41:59
on
1:42:00
the huge huge deal here
1:42:02
i'm now the big rumor and once they
1:42:04
found out what happened now a found
1:42:06
out how she was caught up in all this crazy shit
1:42:08
her friends are all talk about oh
1:42:10
fuck man woods with what happened what's going
1:42:12
on now , all talking about
1:42:14
had to be satanic cult honest answer
1:42:16
science based on what happened had
1:42:19
to be a say tannic called they left her guts
1:42:21
hanging out and you know all this type
1:42:23
shed had to be that carloads
1:42:26
had been told that crystal hadn't been run over
1:42:28
by car and left die eyes she
1:42:30
hard but instead you know all his
1:42:32
say all his and that made her go all that's why
1:42:34
they ask me about cults before and gangs that
1:42:36
makes lot of sense ah i'm
1:42:38
so she i
1:42:41
you know received understood
1:42:43
that but then she heard from her sisters were carla
1:42:45
said about what friends and quotes when
1:42:47
my friends told me that night that she had
1:42:49
been killed and cut up by satanic cult
1:42:51
i was scared to look at her at the funeral
1:42:54
that was the hardest thing i've read to do in my
1:42:56
entire life entire was like in shock
1:42:58
in couldn't even talk when i saw the casket sitting
1:43:00
there sitting was very angry of all
1:43:02
these things these things heard were true i
1:43:05
couldn't believe they would have have the
1:43:07
of the top of her task and open and her body
1:43:09
right there for everyone to gawk at facetious
1:43:11
doesn't understand they fixed or wounds sustained
1:43:14
look like that i'm i
1:43:16
hear her face was skyn dos can
1:43:18
you imagine why i was afraid
1:43:20
to look at her i know i now know
1:43:22
the stuff people were saying about her and
1:43:24
the way she died wasn't true the for a
1:43:26
while there i didn't know what to believe thou
1:43:29
you have lot of yeah to ah
1:43:33
the a parlor like that and he see
1:43:35
the casket as opens i assure
1:43:37
you they've done their best make sure this
1:43:39
is that what happened at not obvious
1:43:41
they don't want you to see that the i'd assume
1:43:44
until they want you to seek the wants
1:43:46
you see as an eye on on
1:43:48
they
1:43:48
want yeah i've been to to
1:43:50
open casket murders
1:43:52
violent dagger things and they both
1:43:54
i mean i told you about my great grandmother and made
1:43:56
joke about the pearls i just put thousand or
1:43:58
not but my my friend the
1:44:00
shot himself he they made it they look bigger
1:44:03
than death so anyway i'm
1:44:05
the i'm they said that
1:44:07
there's a lotta clues but they don't have anything
1:44:10
follow to go on or anything
1:44:12
like that at , funeral
1:44:15
i've the cop lest they
1:44:17
showed up they were looking around sees anybody
1:44:19
look you know guilty or nervous and
1:44:21
their scope in the crowd they said that everybody's of sad
1:44:24
sad that they would be yeah
1:44:27
body say kind like hangs
1:44:29
out with can the whole time during the thing
1:44:31
like she's like hey i'm leaning on him and
1:44:33
stuff like that she said if you had
1:44:35
only been with her things would have been different and
1:44:37
crystal would still be alive com
1:44:40
because he's a stocky muscular guys by ten
1:44:42
one hundred ninety got some muscle tone so she
1:44:45
, that i'm ah you
1:44:47
know she said that a he would always protect
1:44:49
her she said quote can feel like if you
1:44:51
can i feel like if he was there you could have saved
1:44:53
her eyes is betsy the last words
1:44:55
on her lips are your name she probably probably
1:44:58
probably died calling your name to savor
1:45:00
oh god body season christ
1:45:02
that's brutal at brutal i'm
1:45:05
so can i felt ill
1:45:07
and went through up here through
1:45:09
i'm yeah sell her as
1:45:11
mom said he always throws up at times like these
1:45:13
it's probably of nerves sky nervous on
1:45:16
a quick com slash cans
1:45:18
pallbearer as well you
1:45:20
know he helps carry the casket miss
1:45:23
all that sort thing he
1:45:25
i know hangs out with the ball bears or
1:45:27
does all his duties and then after
1:45:29
the funeral the other are
1:45:31
going to come by the boniface house
1:45:34
now there's rumor that carla's not safe
1:45:36
now either there's an article the newspaper
1:45:38
saying that someone else might be after
1:45:41
put into hiding over this
1:45:43
yeah i'm because carla
1:45:45
was one of crystals best friends the last to see
1:45:47
her alive she was warned by friends
1:45:49
that she would be the killers next target good
1:45:52
lord she said said
1:45:54
scared to death i didn't have clue who the killer
1:45:56
might be but felt he knew me know we have screams
1:45:58
i know added last summer said the ways going
1:46:00
on now says sisk that's x
1:46:03
files like scurry this
1:46:05
is crazy i thought he might
1:46:07
think i was i that i know more
1:46:09
than anyone whom are who he might
1:46:11
be so i was freaking out and thinking
1:46:13
was going be the next one so carla
1:46:15
told the newspaper the crystals murder had
1:46:17
changed through outlook on life and
1:46:20
you know she was i fuck
1:46:22
and her friends going miss out on everything the senior
1:46:25
prom and all his diaper shit and college
1:46:27
and nice she said this is really hit
1:46:29
home for me i been looking at life through rose
1:46:31
colored glasses but this makes everything totally
1:46:33
different now he should a murder podcast
1:46:35
about five years crystal
1:46:38
and i were nearly i were together nearly
1:46:40
every friday or saturday night up until the
1:46:42
night before her death i know one
1:46:44
thing for sure about me that i will never drive
1:46:46
anywhere alone at night again so
1:46:50
i several high school girls
1:46:52
now begin receiving death threats
1:46:54
piece together with words from newspapers
1:46:57
and magazines and mosque lot of
1:46:59
who's doing the ransom notes with
1:47:01
the messages all spelling out you
1:47:03
will be next you bastards
1:47:06
yes that's what's going on at that point
1:47:08
so that's she
1:47:10
, i won't go out of my house by myself
1:47:12
my father one of my brothers has to walk me
1:47:14
out to my car and stay with me until unlocked and
1:47:16
unsafe unsafe for prices
1:47:19
sees his fucking christ a they're all talking about
1:47:21
satanic rituals and all this type
1:47:23
shit you know i'm
1:47:26
her arms that the a her
1:47:28
were crazy that the rumors were
1:47:31
her arms were cut off and burned your face
1:47:33
was skyn her heart and liver were missing
1:47:35
her eyes were flux out you
1:47:38
, they removed her organs and reposition
1:47:40
them a while the shit stayed for
1:47:42
took her organs out and then put them with bunch
1:47:44
of black candles and cops filled with her blood
1:47:47
these these rumors that are going around that sort
1:47:49
been to absolve one
1:47:51
of friends said about this to it's not
1:47:53
easy to identify those devil worshippers
1:47:55
at that they tell believe rivera they ask
1:47:57
police you know anything in there are like i hear it's
1:48:00
the greatness and then they said it's not
1:48:02
easy identify those devil worshippers i
1:48:04
don't think they're all walking around in their black costumes
1:48:06
and drinking blood but i believe they looked
1:48:08
just like us were normal clothes
1:48:10
act like normal people i don't think the
1:48:12
majority of them you would know who
1:48:14
they are by looking adam so they could be any one
1:48:16
of us that's why it's so hard relax
1:48:20
and cult group did this who else would
1:48:22
be capable of such crime they get around
1:48:24
this day adams the yeah ted bundy
1:48:26
gary ridgeway john wayne gag named
1:48:28
twenty people very capable describes
1:48:32
fuck so v chief of
1:48:34
police said there was no signs of killing
1:48:36
was related to say tannic rituals at all
1:48:38
i'm he says i'm not going to get into whether
1:48:40
of a satanic ritualistic we
1:48:42
have nothing at this point in time to lead
1:48:45
us to that conclusion rumors
1:48:47
of satanic killing most likely the result
1:48:49
of someone's inability to understand how a person
1:48:51
could commit such a brutal murder and any
1:48:53
time you have a brutal murder people try to relate
1:48:55
to that type of especially back then
1:48:58
any time from about seventy
1:49:00
nine to ninety five their immediate
1:49:02
oh my god it has to be satan yeah now
1:49:04
they said this this is the exact thing that happened with mid
1:49:06
west memphis three months has to
1:49:09
be called people could look at how gonna
1:49:11
look at what they did similarly analysts
1:49:13
you know it's weird shit goes on and some creepy
1:49:16
guys had him out how many crime
1:49:18
scenes have you heard about scene because a
1:49:20
lot of them are pretty fucking vicious and
1:49:22
yeah you'd think that they were at odds
1:49:24
a second sacrifice yes something
1:49:27
when it's probably not is probably just a
1:49:29
sexually frustrated six thought
1:49:31
well in movie you get you know any
1:49:34
there is there a full on serial killer
1:49:36
that takes you apart or this like just
1:49:38
quiet strangling where you the and
1:49:40
, die quietly and thirty seconds like as
1:49:42
the only two ways to die so they see it like that
1:49:46
that the evidence that they do have the
1:49:48
day her body was found a michael
1:49:50
jordan half baseball hat
1:49:52
was removed from her car and
1:49:54
sent to the lab for
1:49:57
forensic lab for analysis it
1:49:59
was analysis the black with twenty
1:50:01
three on it is number and said flight by
1:50:03
jordan era of those old had a saloon ah
1:50:06
britain across the front how many people had those two
1:50:08
trillion fear i'm
1:50:10
now a primary a preliminary
1:50:12
investigation produced to black
1:50:15
curly hair is that suggested
1:50:17
that that they look like i've pairs
1:50:19
of an african american person south that's
1:50:21
they are looking at so many of crystals
1:50:23
friends they went around see if they can identify
1:50:25
the hatch who's had is this is in alleys that
1:50:27
we know someone that was in her car they
1:50:30
said who's had is this i'm carla
1:50:33
they showed the hack carla was with her boyfriend
1:50:35
and her boyfriend last and
1:50:37
told the detectives he didn't know anyone that wore
1:50:40
hat like that last that
1:50:42
it and
1:50:44
why that funny and said quote
1:50:46
nothing to do with michael jordan but
1:50:48
what white boy would wear hat like that
1:50:50
everybody i know wears a browning
1:50:52
remington barker budweiser hat
1:50:55
something like that they definitely don't wear know
1:50:57
michael jordan happened last wow
1:50:59
eager up a very different places everyone
1:51:02
every white boy i ever knew growing up had
1:51:04
that exact that sounds very different
1:51:06
lies as i know very few people with browning
1:51:08
rubbing ten buck or budweiser at enough
1:51:11
south , place is any them struck
1:51:13
since i knew anybody that war a
1:51:15
buck browning budweiser how
1:51:17
they were doing it as a joke joke
1:51:20
yeah yeah we'll i sort of lyonnais's
1:51:22
do but added that and season
1:51:25
six season so they
1:51:27
go around asking those crystals to
1:51:29
see know any black eyes because this with this has
1:51:31
not that they even think that this is of but maybe
1:51:33
some of know something is there and at and witness
1:51:35
at some point yeah we're darragh as that you know
1:51:38
this person might have been in her car
1:51:40
at some point maybe not last night maybe
1:51:42
a while back but whenever we're going to find
1:51:44
going south sea
1:51:46
they asked around sea phase said
1:51:49
that was all pure gossip and she
1:51:51
was apparently according to the book says
1:51:53
here quote she was adamant that her daughter
1:51:56
would never have been involved with black man quote
1:51:59
i never believe
1:52:00
the black and white mix and and my daughter
1:52:02
felt the same way i don't know who told you
1:52:04
this trash but whoever did it told you pack allies
1:52:07
on , the two cents on who's had
1:52:09
there's an account yeah i'm a friend
1:52:11
of hers also said the same thing i
1:52:13
was is like basically all our friends at same
1:52:15
thing one started out with egg that direct
1:52:17
quote is now i'm not saying i'm racist
1:52:19
or anything as is a literally winners
1:52:21
line crazy shit and she
1:52:23
said cause i me i know i mean i've just
1:52:25
been raised in the south she sat my family
1:52:27
is and prejudice but they just know but
1:52:30
this but that's just how i've been raised
1:52:32
and it's not as i've just been that we're not prejudice
1:52:34
just been raised prices very very
1:52:37
not jewish we just go to temple on saturday
1:52:39
and i got bar mitzvah last week but i'm not jewish
1:52:41
narcissist to the
1:52:43
things are saying is insects
1:52:46
and yell and everyone
1:52:48
out there when you hear something like this that
1:52:50
you go while yes the sounds ridiculous
1:52:52
amount of zion like this isn't nit picky
1:52:54
this isn't nit like
1:52:56
as soon as much as ninety
1:52:58
ninety right rural south carolina it's
1:53:00
a different thirty years literally thirty fucking
1:53:02
years ago south thirty years
1:53:04
before this the civil rights act hadn't even been
1:53:06
signed yet so had not i mean
1:53:08
we gotta go by whatever sour
1:53:10
anyway ah she says as he said there
1:53:12
is said difference you know around my house
1:53:15
ah at least there's difference and that's how i
1:53:17
was raised was think crystals raise the same
1:53:19
the some extent because crystal didn't mess with
1:53:21
like shin black date black
1:53:23
guys i think someone ask crystal the go out
1:53:25
with black guy one time and crystal didn't wanna go
1:53:27
out with him to told her friend carla carla
1:53:30
said well as guy
1:53:32
hurricane understand what that means crystal
1:53:35
at last or licensee now and i didn't blame
1:53:37
her ah i didn't blame her
1:53:39
because that just makes my skin crawl i'm
1:53:41
not racist or anything but like the rest of
1:53:43
us we think there's a difference
1:53:45
between blacks and whites that's as he sat south
1:53:47
star like on isn't
1:53:50
like we don't care about
1:53:52
your fucking do you know a
1:53:54
black guy that may have been
1:53:56
in her car that's all we're asking i
1:53:58
don't give shit what your family
1:54:00
your grandma thinks about you know
1:54:02
interracial marriage not my concern
1:54:04
what the fuck over here was it sound
1:54:07
a black hair similar to african
1:54:09
american air inside this have inside
1:54:11
her cars who's is it that's all you are
1:54:13
now that i'm sober enough don't process
1:54:15
any statement with i'm not racist been
1:54:17
nicer to supply yes i'm here to assist
1:54:20
assist so they end up the guy
1:54:22
who own the cap turned out to be
1:54:24
a friend of one of crystals girlfriends
1:54:27
who have gotten the cabin in this girl
1:54:29
ended up giving it to crystal for something else
1:54:31
so is this guy was originally belong or black
1:54:33
guy who this one girl new but no
1:54:35
directly to , guy has no
1:54:37
direct link the crust south of there like
1:54:39
the freezer the girlfriend and taker apart and rape
1:54:42
or south in up so
1:54:44
they up so b i now comes in they
1:54:46
work up a profile this is david caldwell
1:54:50
profile , was not released to general public
1:54:52
at time all this is only given to the police
1:54:54
ah this read it predicted characteristics
1:54:57
of the crystal fe todd's killer
1:55:00
killer characteristics or probable however
1:55:02
the investigators or caution not to rule
1:55:04
out any good suspect because he does not
1:55:06
fit the description obviously white
1:55:08
male between twenty and twenty five years of age
1:55:11
ah recklessness if probably
1:55:13
if probably and noted second characteristic
1:55:16
he has some social skills can smile
1:55:19
can converse he's not too scary
1:55:21
the , is not suggestive of lot of forethought
1:55:24
are planning we would expect that he transferred
1:55:26
blood to his automobile after the crime
1:55:28
so may god bless the scots he
1:55:30
is angry man with generalized anger
1:55:33
toward most people many of notice
1:55:35
that something is not quite right with
1:55:37
him him probably episodic
1:55:39
li unemployed he's not businessman
1:55:41
or professional person he probably has
1:55:43
trouble trouble with policies and coworkers
1:55:46
and consequently has not had long term
1:55:48
long sounds like you his
1:55:53
like , generally at work
1:55:55
would be cyclical some sons i
1:55:57
had sounds like you said he may work well
1:56:00
one week and not so well the next year at
1:56:02
zero therapy might not show up and actually
1:56:05
we , expect cyclical social
1:56:07
performances well now you're good socialists
1:56:09
he may be nice one day ornery the next
1:56:12
now you're pretty consistent up up
1:56:14
you're happy guess we're not happy but yours yours
1:56:16
the up the apparently not on and money
1:56:18
of exactly people that
1:56:20
know him may say that one
1:56:22
never knows what to expect from him he
1:56:25
has no tremendous need for money he's
1:56:27
not chronically unemployed he's not
1:56:29
worried about where he's going to get his next meal
1:56:31
so he's got some sort of half some
1:56:33
sort versus he knows this
1:56:36
is by the way these profilers do this by
1:56:38
looking the crime scene not they don't
1:56:40
they don't wanna know any information you as
1:56:42
amazing they wanna go how
1:56:44
old is that girl you know stats
1:56:46
of the victim let me look pictures
1:56:48
that set on tommy mind blowing that
1:56:51
fuck it all up and good at it move there's a there's
1:56:53
a way you do when it's almost like a the
1:56:55
after awhile you see these patterns and snapped
1:56:58
me but them he ,
1:57:00
able to make ends meet there's probably
1:57:02
another person perhaps family member
1:57:04
on whom he is partially financially
1:57:06
dependent he's not a cocaine
1:57:08
addict who steals money or valuables thinking
1:57:10
about next specs south is not that
1:57:12
ah he is not the product of
1:57:15
a wholesome nurturing family environments
1:57:17
and his formative years he is have no solid
1:57:19
male role models he probably had a missing
1:57:21
father almost certainly and emotionally
1:57:23
missing father perhaps divorced father
1:57:26
worked all the time travels a lot was dad was
1:57:28
an alcoholic alcoholic he probably
1:57:30
as a local person from henri county
1:57:32
familiar with the side of the body recovery either
1:57:34
he lives near there or family member lives
1:57:36
near there or perhaps he hunts fishes or
1:57:38
works in the area at any rate
1:57:40
he's been there before is comfortable the
1:57:43
is impulsive an angry the world he
1:57:45
has a large ship on shoulder life
1:57:47
has not been not been easy
1:57:50
for him and deep down feels someone was
1:57:52
pay for the way his life has gone all
1:57:54
our lives of suck to but i don't take out another
1:57:56
people at
1:57:58
eleven the eleven thirty run the with
1:58:00
the victim could be the result of having gotten
1:58:02
off second shift or perhaps
1:58:04
result of having left party earlier
1:58:07
that evening the feeling
1:58:09
of think he went out to hundred eleven thirty like
1:58:11
ted bundy was he feels fairly
1:58:13
confident that he will not be suspect
1:58:16
he does not believe will be associated
1:58:18
with her that night he would probably best
1:58:20
be described as not an intimate acquaintance
1:58:22
perhaps a peripheral acquaintance he sees
1:58:24
himself as a social outcast and probably
1:58:26
rightly so he's probably not widely
1:58:29
accepted by his peers he's unable
1:58:31
to isn't this interesting is finalized stuff
1:58:33
it's this is riveting right absolutely
1:58:35
riveting i want i want every word that
1:58:37
they say that's i'm like i helped us as
1:58:39
long ago there's more that's he's
1:58:41
unable to sustain a warm nurturing
1:58:44
relationships if he was ever married
1:58:46
there will be lots of problems whether
1:58:48
or not he had specific plan to kill that
1:58:50
night is equivocal i'm one
1:58:52
hallmark of his life would be frustrations
1:58:55
the stress of everyday life out
1:58:58
would be tough on him he projects
1:59:00
has problems i'm not the problem they
1:59:02
are when he was in school
1:59:04
he was not the type to say whoa yeah
1:59:06
the teacher is right i should have me
1:59:08
out dot dot dot he's the type to say they're full
1:59:10
of it very were coming
1:59:12
after me there are everyone's out to get media
1:59:15
yeah everyone's out to get me that
1:59:17
i'm very dumb perfect they're all
1:59:19
bad or even see me everyone is
1:59:21
that guy's everybody ,
1:59:23
personally that i think everyone your
1:59:25
life he does not not
1:59:27
does not enjoy the reputation being particularly
1:59:29
smart that's nice way to put it's i'm going
1:59:31
to say that when think someone's dumb next dumb
1:59:34
i don't think he enjoys the reputation of being
1:59:36
particularly smart enjoys
1:59:38
is the key word there i
1:59:40
don't think he enjoys the reputation
1:59:43
of being particularly smart i'm going to say that
1:59:45
every time i think someone surfacing actively
1:59:47
avoid that reputation with every
1:59:49
bone in his bosses assists
1:59:53
he regularly or irregularly carries
1:59:55
irregularly nice shows it off consider
1:59:58
that to be part of his image like
2:00:00
to think of himself as macho and tries
2:00:02
to pose himself as much how he probably
2:00:04
drinks the long neck buds and jack daniels
2:00:07
so they even have as during my last yes you're
2:00:09
looking for that that's what he's dragon his ex outnumbered
2:00:11
acts were the
2:00:13
he probably cannot take protracted
2:00:16
pressure however he probably handles
2:00:18
acute immediate pressure very well
2:00:21
he probably does not have lot to make him
2:00:23
attractive to peer females for
2:00:26
most part females from his peer
2:00:28
group do not have a lot to do with him he
2:00:30
simply he is not witty he's not
2:00:32
charming he would probably be attractive
2:00:34
to younger girls simply because he is older
2:00:36
oh my god perhaps
2:00:39
what he could offer appear girls would be drugs
2:00:41
or maybe money though it is not expected that he
2:00:43
would have much money he has come to the
2:00:45
attention of law enforcement before perhaps
2:00:48
when he was twelve thirteen he was
2:00:50
torturing animals starting fires committing
2:00:52
random apps acts of vandalism he's
2:00:54
probably not doing much dating he's not
2:00:56
ladies man he may have some date
2:00:58
rapes in his history may be raped
2:01:00
may cousin but he's not doing stranger
2:01:03
kidnapped raped he's not doing burglary
2:01:05
slash raped the
2:01:07
yet going be someone he thinks he can he knows
2:01:09
something about otherwise he would be scared alcohol
2:01:12
intoxication on night of the murder is
2:01:14
good bet it is possible that the
2:01:16
to perpetrate that to perpetrators were
2:01:18
involved based on the level of carnage after
2:01:20
the commission the murder this perpetrator
2:01:22
would probably probably would have gone straight
2:01:25
to straight safe haven either to his
2:01:27
home or relative's house as opposed
2:01:29
going out and setting up an alibi somewhere
2:01:31
it should be considered that the safe haven
2:01:33
might be in same direction from the crime
2:01:36
scene as the crime scene as from
2:01:38
her abandoned car how
2:01:40
are it could be considered that
2:01:42
after staying in town for a few weeks
2:01:44
he will leave for an is ostensibly
2:01:46
good reason such as to visit or
2:01:48
live with a relative or for some employment
2:01:51
opportunity and another two that
2:01:54
as a picture painted it's unbelievable
2:01:56
they can get all that you see a
2:01:58
person now dogs you
2:02:00
in of use the you know that guy
2:02:02
see that guy there's all deal there
2:02:04
and die and the confidence of the
2:02:06
guy looks like and that's with their current that's
2:02:09
i mean he's that's the profile of cspi
2:02:11
profiles i mean they're looking for
2:02:13
a shithead the twenty or
2:02:15
twenty five year old said had somewhere in there
2:02:17
are now they have to talk
2:02:19
tic they they still have direct formal
2:02:22
interview with can can register santa
2:02:24
talk to him did the fi now we them against
2:02:26
the car right in some notes i'm
2:02:28
, they said i went to he's
2:02:31
the officer comes over to ask
2:02:33
him he's over visiting with body
2:02:35
fate odd and , said when would
2:02:37
be good time to you know interview year
2:02:39
when a formal interview about station sit down
2:02:42
down body say jumped in and said well can
2:02:44
eight the one why waste your time scans
2:02:46
are best friend he's like family
2:02:48
slaughter you look for the ones that could have done something
2:02:50
like this of a soda
2:02:54
they said we're doing our best barney phase is not overlook
2:02:56
anything in i mean he might know something
2:02:58
that he didn't realize he knows that he'll
2:03:00
come out and a full interview that i'll be the key
2:03:02
know will get it's so she said
2:03:04
i know i know she said i'm sorry bell
2:03:07
i know you do and everything you can i just
2:03:09
i just miss her so bad with so mean yeah
2:03:11
obviously it's terrible she said ken's
2:03:13
been the most help i don't know what i'd do without
2:03:16
him so he calls and comes over he's always
2:03:18
asking about what you found or
2:03:20
of a wonder why bonfire it's
2:03:22
not good sign bio sign do you think you want our know
2:03:24
what cops know over interest
2:03:26
in murders not good sign or her you know except
2:03:28
unless you're doing a podcast is now
2:03:31
since they had like said spoken
2:03:33
him little bit earlier but now they're
2:03:35
you know the second interview needs to be arranged
2:03:38
in the also they need to get like blood and
2:03:40
hair samples are getting them from everybody
2:03:42
and their everybody that new heard what
2:03:44
was at that party that night seventy and
2:03:46
phone you can bet that
2:03:48
sammy got a good ones overhang shark hard
2:03:51
court for bastard guts of who suffers
2:03:53
as wow are they went up his
2:03:55
ass of microscopes so then
2:03:57
that evening canning evening canning barney phase
2:04:00
was and express concern over the interview
2:04:03
they were mother she i can he was very agitated
2:04:06
saying that the police hadn't found the killer yet
2:04:08
now they're going opinion on me why
2:04:11
would the body say the but
2:04:13
it is ugly talking about like now we're
2:04:15
you why would you do that she said you
2:04:17
have you didn't do it wow they pins on you
2:04:20
and he said ah it don't matter now
2:04:22
they can't find anybody so they pull your blood
2:04:24
rig it to make it look like you did it everybody's
2:04:27
talking about it now it now it's
2:04:29
time to be given blood kids are getting desperate
2:04:33
now he deserved to be let my blood out my body
2:04:35
is going to put it all with our stuff body
2:04:38
, told him he's crazy he said
2:04:40
stop that stop stop stop stop
2:04:42
even ask why why do think they're going take
2:04:44
your blood and he said they please said that they've
2:04:46
taken everybody's blunt that's why that's
2:04:49
what's going on and dumb then
2:04:51
can stay that those test a perfectly
2:04:53
now well don't be surprised that
2:04:56
he said well don't be surprised they arrest they
2:04:58
wrong one they're
2:05:00
pretty good yeah especially dna
2:05:02
he has realize dna tests are free got him
2:05:04
that he has no clue he
2:05:07
then went on to say that the tests quote
2:05:09
could be beat that
2:05:11
lie detector test know that
2:05:14
said quote you could fake i'm out you
2:05:16
could take somebody elses blood and give
2:05:18
it to another , our
2:05:20
now they take the blood from your arm camps
2:05:22
that laos is still drink golden seal
2:05:25
and and somebody elses yeah this
2:05:28
season this like is could like it's could years
2:05:30
as piss test the guys outside the thing
2:05:32
if you just come out well here's sample of
2:05:35
affected say get from your are viewing expect
2:05:38
you to bring in your own blood sample and handed
2:05:40
to them see him put like a fake
2:05:42
armful of somebody elses blood in know
2:05:44
leave and then have have that armed with
2:05:46
heater in there is that doesn't work recently
2:05:48
who get up with those states wants
2:05:51
is that that's full somebody elses they're
2:05:53
usually athlete has nursing the
2:05:55
was amazed though then
2:05:57
can talk to dina whose body
2:06:00
phase nice and told her the same thing he said
2:06:02
quote they're getting ready to put the wrong man
2:06:04
now to put it on the wrong man now
2:06:06
so they can get somebody arrested for this case
2:06:09
and the dina was like were you talking about she said
2:06:11
he said i know they're going to pull my blood and it comes
2:06:13
out to be me their fame in wrong one
2:06:15
oh my god any framing would be
2:06:17
the wrong one i would assume so they were like stop
2:06:20
you didn't do anything just get it over with good
2:06:22
stupid thing the cops want to do couple
2:06:24
of things about can by the way m
2:06:27
two months before the crystal was murdered
2:06:29
here ken was on his way to way class at the technical
2:06:31
education school located next door
2:06:33
to coastal carolina university driving
2:06:36
through the campus pulled isn't the car up next
2:06:38
to next to students and ask for directions
2:06:40
the library that's reasonable
2:06:42
see who the used to pull up and ask
2:06:45
for libraries and so
2:06:47
and so one
2:06:49
of the young women had noticed can
2:06:51
on fastening his pants off
2:06:53
without enough ram ten
2:06:55
, forward and pass the young women
2:06:57
abruptly swung his car around drove
2:06:59
back pass them and said excuse me
2:07:02
to the women who turn and look again
2:07:04
he's in his car he pushed up his body arched
2:07:06
as back and quote shook his exposed
2:07:09
genitals that the women and said it's
2:07:11
quotes common good and
2:07:14
then we realized
2:07:16
this realized this they have a guy in card
2:07:18
segars tickets you but the
2:07:20
opposite com and get it and was broad daylight
2:07:23
and they weren't any physical danger because there's lots
2:07:25
people around heard friends as weather so
2:07:27
it's got that that point we as a less
2:07:29
as that is that they can
2:07:31
be horrifying obviously but what
2:07:34
, is a list is angle that seizing
2:07:36
is going to have man someone's gonna go who
2:07:38
else is none of those in college college
2:07:41
could never find of spare penis size
2:07:43
are going to get murder your car as the
2:07:45
and out now i just looked so good
2:07:47
she had to have it right that no didn't
2:07:50
work and even see that even
2:07:52
now if you if if woman pulled by
2:07:54
and if last her tits down a guy would jump
2:07:56
into the movie hours when does of our be different
2:07:58
hey legs ticket
2:08:00
that you betcha our identities
2:08:03
are we headed legs kicked out barely
2:08:05
hanging on for his life and it's aren't
2:08:07
snus so are on to
2:08:09
murder so many men yaya
2:08:12
we trust them completely
2:08:14
we just them completely south as
2:08:16
can drives away
2:08:19
people who neat little tricks he says
2:08:21
hey way though he stops
2:08:23
know how good are they they thought about
2:08:25
for minute there were like a matter of fact those
2:08:27
a good opportunity would it wasn't
2:08:29
status seats daves dutch girl woman
2:08:31
just ran up behind him in got his license i love
2:08:35
, flesh yes and where they
2:08:37
reported it's campus police gave detailed
2:08:40
description of both can add has been a sit
2:08:42
out that's all good that
2:08:44
they checked tag number registered those
2:08:47
mom shirley register and
2:08:49
register very ago vr registers
2:08:52
the of a registered the registered they question surely
2:08:55
surely didn't know why they are asking so
2:08:57
he just said yeah can was driving my car around
2:08:59
that afternoon early just a penis out that
2:09:01
surveys out anywhere so
2:09:03
cancelled police in front of his mother that had
2:09:05
not been on campus that afternoon he certainly
2:09:08
and expose themselves to any female students
2:09:10
that's crazy ah i'm so
2:09:13
v photographic lineup that was arranged
2:09:15
in the women were asked to identify the person
2:09:17
and within seconds they picked an animal
2:09:19
line again it was you know i'm
2:09:21
but after five minutes the other student
2:09:24
picked somebody else oh no how
2:09:26
can was still arrested one or two was a
2:09:28
bad can still arrest and will figure out
2:09:30
there is released on bond now
2:09:33
the whole this whole thing we're looking
2:09:36
at can want talk to him about crystal
2:09:38
crystal a now they hear that you know he's gotta
2:09:40
depending indecent exposure charge as
2:09:43
a a sexual crime this
2:09:45
is a sexual crime there like ha this
2:09:47
is interesting he had cans name
2:09:49
pulled off the pre trial intervention
2:09:51
program west refusing to get some like
2:09:54
you know nothing thanks that would have rubber
2:09:56
that of allows youthful offenders to avoid
2:09:58
indictment and keep their records clean the performing
2:10:00
public service i'm attending classes and
2:10:03
so this guy said
2:10:05
saw the charges as possibly relevant to
2:10:07
the murder if he's gonna keep it here so
2:10:10
in interview with cans football coach conducted
2:10:13
by the police ah they
2:10:15
introduced another element here coach chuck
2:10:17
jordan new sounds like a football coach through
2:10:19
israel and he's gonna hit you tell you hit
2:10:21
that blocking sled harder to you've
2:10:24
got a small a short time ever tiny
2:10:27
little short he
2:10:29
said he believed saw his players
2:10:31
under conditions of extreme stress
2:10:33
and that provided insights into the extremes
2:10:36
of young man's personnel out so i guess
2:10:38
so ah , said
2:10:40
he'd scenes kent's i saw cans
2:10:42
temper during a game can was called
2:10:44
for personal foul and became upset
2:10:46
first because of the fall and then with coach
2:10:49
himself himself size with
2:10:51
the official as was like know either they were
2:10:53
rough was rough can have difficulty
2:10:55
letting the perceived injustice past when
2:10:58
he was benched for the infraction he got the
2:11:00
coaches face to explain himself the
2:11:02
coaches busy with the game and enough time
2:11:04
for can became was persistent and glared
2:11:06
at the couch in nose to nose confrontation
2:11:09
after several attempts to com can
2:11:12
they basically they coach of the town shut
2:11:14
fuck up and listen to what he had to say anime
2:11:17
you know can was i a pet really
2:11:20
pissed off about what accounts coach
2:11:22
said really haven't seen that degree of lack of control
2:11:24
advocate and all my coaching years has
2:11:27
lot there was no question in my mind
2:11:29
he was totally out of control he
2:11:31
said he continued his verbal aggression on the
2:11:33
bench and i other coaches tried
2:11:35
intervene and he wouldn't take it and it's a
2:11:37
communal a quarter and half the calm down
2:11:39
about fucking call on field so
2:11:41
was suspended the team from week for week
2:11:44
from team for a week ammiano
2:11:46
bad to meet with his parents all that kind of
2:11:48
shit but vi
2:11:52
vi vi can said that he had convinced
2:11:54
his parents he had done nothing wrong in that
2:11:56
the coaches actually was wrong so
2:11:59
they tried to cause double for the couch there
2:12:01
today so i'm he
2:12:03
said he said to make sure his parents understood
2:12:05
the can cost to and then i very vividly
2:12:07
remember their reaction was no not
2:12:09
can his
2:12:12
dad made the comment that they had never heard
2:12:14
him cost before when a
2:12:16
church yeah you avid but and the football
2:12:18
fields little bit different they
2:12:21
also the coach said can always wore his feelings
2:12:23
on his shirt sleeve you knew where he was coming
2:12:25
from if he walked in my office i knew a kinda
2:12:27
moody was in and i knew whether he was sad
2:12:29
or happy whatever i find hard
2:12:31
to believe that can could go that length of time
2:12:34
for when the murder happened until the time you
2:12:36
know you're talking to them concealing his emotions
2:12:38
and feelings not having his personality
2:12:40
change in such way that would be observable by
2:12:42
somebody close to him though
2:12:45
you now they are they said
2:12:47
the valley they realize has temper this
2:12:49
this a profile start to look pretty good
2:12:51
for this guy earlier to us because
2:12:54
the couch also a coworker now brings
2:12:56
up to a point when can lost his temper
2:12:58
at his job quote with
2:13:00
one of the big guys i think they me one the bosses
2:13:03
and was temporary help and temporary
2:13:05
guys got all the dirty jobs the other
2:13:07
guys often kid the temps and
2:13:09
he usually took it in stride they said but
2:13:12
them quote one the boys tr
2:13:14
was really get not his case must have
2:13:16
been bad day for him can picked
2:13:18
him up up a can take them
2:13:20
right up and slammed him on ground because
2:13:22
he had edged him too far you know he bugged
2:13:25
him and bugged him and bugged him until finally lost
2:13:27
his temper and picked him up and threw him down
2:13:29
his successor your the picked
2:13:31
up tr a grown man and fucking
2:13:33
room to the ground like a child so that's
2:13:36
weird com i guess he is muscular and
2:13:38
guy of and said tr said yeah that
2:13:40
did happen ah but he insisted
2:13:42
that was only some rough housing the
2:13:44
south and can was mad at me it was just
2:13:46
a case of boys have boys being boys
2:13:48
he said see i don't want me to get the best
2:13:50
of them he did say that quote for a
2:13:52
size kids fairly strong guy three
2:13:54
i slabs on grounds for three months
2:13:57
though t arne can road together and work
2:13:59
truck as they went job to job he
2:14:01
also commuted with can every morning so
2:14:04
yeah he said they got know each other real well
2:14:06
i'm kinda driven his mother's car ride
2:14:09
to work the week after the murder can
2:14:11
told tr that his car was the shop because
2:14:13
of because computer problem of difficult to fix
2:14:16
also said ken followed the murder investigation
2:14:18
closely and sometimes see our
2:14:20
read the newspaper to him as he drove
2:14:22
rose tell me more about the
2:14:24
dead ones that girl i've the
2:14:27
also learned from tr the can loved
2:14:29
different porno mags that
2:14:32
he hadn't brought magazines to work until
2:14:34
january cool brings porn at work
2:14:38
what you talking about the hello frank
2:14:40
porn to work and so we we
2:14:43
gonna have to whack at lunch least i'm a fifteen
2:14:45
some so amazed that are brilliant
2:14:48
wow that's
2:14:50
weird they said that january started
2:14:53
bringing it in his his friends i quote he
2:14:55
started bringing magazines i'd say every
2:14:57
other day two or three times a week he said
2:14:59
he was getting them from a friend to his the
2:15:02
never you never
2:15:04
took the magazines home he kept them in truck
2:15:06
some reason
2:15:09
though
2:15:13
can later on will claim that was buying and
2:15:15
for a supervisor at work is his
2:15:18
his supervisor will say quote will thought can
2:15:20
was all right he was certainly good worker sport
2:15:22
certainly was told that said he persists the magazines
2:15:25
for me while do that was alive or
2:15:27
that lie maybe rethink everything lie knew
2:15:29
about him fix your
2:15:31
first hard work and church go and guy
2:15:33
now either will porno monkey fuck
2:15:35
him weird are slamming people the ground
2:15:38
snellen everybody my mac my
2:15:41
mag i'm a jerk max so
2:15:43
i'm they bring can any shows
2:15:45
up the police department here are several
2:15:48
hours before as scheduled appointment right
2:15:50
away strange the sat
2:15:53
there and near the this thing and they said okay
2:15:55
can i'm sure that you know the reason we come
2:15:57
to our we asked to comic and again
2:15:59
today is to try and help the murder investigation
2:16:01
of bristol dot ba ba ba he
2:16:03
says yes he's good friend of mine and know crystal
2:16:05
her family my whole life her cousin kevin
2:16:07
is my best friend crystallized
2:16:09
to hang together hang out together some just
2:16:12
friends do to every day for
2:16:14
about a month to and half years ago for
2:16:16
about month and nineteen eighty eight he
2:16:18
, did you ever have sex with her during that time
2:16:20
or any other time he said no i've never
2:16:23
had sex crystal they said
2:16:25
at any time when any time his head and said no
2:16:27
that all they , you
2:16:29
know who might have been involved with her at
2:16:31
time of her murder and he said
2:16:33
and he she was seen some guy named tony
2:16:36
and they said tony anyone you know then
2:16:39
he said crystal once dated a boy from
2:16:41
ah i nor name's todd but i
2:16:43
don't know his last name his name was taught thank
2:16:46
god they didn't get along as you would have been fucking
2:16:49
that man now that that's
2:16:51
this is a crystal todd this is my husband
2:16:54
todd it's too much too many dogs
2:16:57
the many does they said
2:16:59
as you know any of her close friends and
2:17:01
can started naming girls in out that
2:17:03
know and i said it's ever mentioned
2:17:05
using drugs and he
2:17:07
said one time when crystal
2:17:10
was drinking she told me about the time
2:17:12
she was with her friend to they smoke some dope
2:17:15
i don't know this was an officer would
2:17:17
act as ever never actually saw use any type
2:17:20
drugs but i did hear about the time she got
2:17:22
drunk and ended up sitting all over fence
2:17:26
that's how she got the name shudder
2:17:29
oh what we
2:17:31
have the a dollar limit on
2:17:33
job the accuracies that's messed
2:17:36
up south and
2:17:38
, last little bit and sat
2:17:40
back and it's as to that that amount data
2:17:42
sets as that the name citrix i'm
2:17:45
so he they somehow you describe
2:17:47
her personal reputation you know what are
2:17:49
the guys say about are now try to see
2:17:51
where his head that head said that he
2:17:53
our have describe her reputation
2:17:55
as loose that's
2:17:58
what he said that's what all my friends that
2:18:00
banana really thinks you get as much the guy said
2:18:02
see dead people to brag about stuff that
2:18:04
never happens see and i'm
2:18:06
the smartest things smartest sock out
2:18:08
of her or is sign say our services
2:18:10
so many guys can have access to and that's
2:18:12
really sad to say i'm anybody could killed her really
2:18:15
i mean seriously enough to many people
2:18:17
even less have not me though i
2:18:19
they said was less said miss our i only saw
2:18:21
two or three times in past six months and
2:18:24
said he said he drove straight home and
2:18:26
eleven thirty from the tracks they said talk
2:18:28
to anyone may be your girlfriend anybody
2:18:31
witness you get home he said my model was
2:18:33
the kitchen when i got home we talked before
2:18:35
i went to bed what time did you say
2:18:37
you arrived home and he says he says will
2:18:39
after midnight boniface call me at one
2:18:41
fifty so ,
2:18:43
yes he gave these answers
2:18:45
said before you go can want
2:18:48
in your opinions had happened the personal crook
2:18:50
kills crystal mass best they always
2:18:52
as that was i was yes was
2:18:55
he said i'm not sure jail
2:18:57
not sure yeah
2:19:00
and answer the forty five
2:19:02
minute interview the cops had no reason
2:19:04
to believe that he was even a suspect that
2:19:06
they asked him take a blood test and he hesitated
2:19:08
on sunday said we want my blood for up
2:19:12
, handcuffs to well as they
2:19:15
said for dna comparison for dna
2:19:17
raskin a lot people for blood and he said what's
2:19:19
dna ninety ninety right now
2:19:21
it's the beginning and ninety two known as the fuck dna
2:19:23
as yet unless you're like big one
2:19:26
on or fan they , it's genetic
2:19:28
fingerprint that will use to compare other
2:19:30
evidence taken at crime scene no two
2:19:32
people have the same dna were
2:19:34
using it when lotta are a lot other white
2:19:36
males that were associated with crystal time
2:19:39
so they told him that if he had anything
2:19:41
tom if he had said anything the body
2:19:43
say about beating the test the
2:19:45
suddenly became wary and hesitated
2:19:48
but immediately said something when asked
2:19:50
how he could be the blood test he said all
2:19:52
you have to do is carry someone else blood with
2:19:54
you and then give that as the sample ali
2:19:56
of a said is it is that
2:19:58
way it works dummy you'd personally
2:20:01
go to hospital accompanied by a police officer
2:20:03
that the hospital the doctor nurse would take the
2:20:05
samples it's all supervised you absolutely
2:20:07
can't do that then they said
2:20:09
will you submit for blood test the second
2:20:12
talked to my mother about first eighteen
2:20:16
they said sure you could talk anybody want your mother
2:20:18
your father a lawyer anybody have
2:20:20
any other cops said you're an adult you're eighteen
2:20:22
years old if you want to consent in go had do
2:20:24
that now are you can leave talk to her every
2:20:26
one come back and the other cops
2:20:28
that it's a voluntary thing that's up to you you'll
2:20:30
be the one signing the forms lot
2:20:32
of other people have been asked do the same thing and
2:20:34
he they said what did they do and they
2:20:36
said everybody that's been asked to do it is fucking
2:20:39
done it didn't say said well then i guess
2:20:41
i will too that he said
2:20:43
the cops they can seem very nervous as
2:20:45
lot of questions about dna he wondered
2:20:47
how the rest have a test could lead to an arrest
2:20:49
someone for murder how long it took back
2:20:51
to get results and and all
2:20:53
that shit over someone hasn't started to i am
2:20:56
they finally just said quote son
2:20:58
we have an expensive piece of equipment for blood
2:21:01
samples and when was in the blood will show off
2:21:03
his about explaining science do you fancy
2:21:05
machine with lights of shit we kind of odd
2:21:08
it's as if gilder that's what we're doing it
2:21:10
said the fuck ups so
2:21:13
, do all this they
2:21:15
are vague collect all the samples
2:21:17
from him they send them off them
2:21:20
ends up talking to kevin james he drives
2:21:22
directly to james's tires were kevin
2:21:24
james work it's family's business and
2:21:27
says kevin the police were awful they were just
2:21:29
awful they made me feel like criminal
2:21:31
they talk to me something awful treated me
2:21:33
like awful doll though
2:21:36
two days later on he visited
2:21:38
bonnie say again him and he told
2:21:40
her about he said treated terrible their
2:21:42
six new arrest the wrong one now on
2:21:44
know avast i know days if they say
2:21:47
i did it they've rig my blood the
2:21:49
rig he said
2:21:51
that that he left and he's never
2:21:54
went back her house again by the way barney frank
2:21:56
never again leitner cigarette far
2:21:58
pretty close relationships february
2:22:00
february fifteenth nineteen ninety two sample
2:22:03
of dna sample a blood sample
2:22:05
one thirty seven dot for is
2:22:08
identified a as the
2:22:10
matching outside
2:22:12
sources of dna with crystal
2:22:15
face are also are
2:22:17
they said it say i'd oh positive
2:22:19
blood type and he's a secrete or as well
2:22:21
him and the
2:22:23
and they have they have of one
2:22:26
minus two plus they
2:22:28
say what the fuck does that mean and doctor
2:22:30
said that means really rare here is rare
2:22:32
not allow same shit so as is this
2:22:35
and a great addition to the dna all the
2:22:37
other shit there was real rare so this person
2:22:39
it was like major press this is the guy
2:22:42
so they said well who is it and
2:22:44
they said johnny kenneth register the
2:22:46
sec i'll use son of bitch
2:22:49
he was the fiftieth person to be
2:22:51
asked submit dna by the way not
2:22:53
even in the time forty nine
2:22:55
of suspects they
2:22:57
go to get cam they're gonna go to
2:22:59
come up an arrest them they tell him though they
2:23:01
find him at work and they tell him that you really
2:23:04
do to clarify couple things on your statement
2:23:06
sign out pain the ass but there's a couple questions
2:23:08
we need to check for accurate wording they
2:23:10
tell us like
2:23:13
yeah right sure and then i he
2:23:15
saw what the wording of one portion of
2:23:17
the interview and can last him as like i'll
2:23:19
yeah that's wrong and baobab law so
2:23:21
i'm you know he took the pan signed and they
2:23:23
said yeah that's fine as result
2:23:25
com and starts to walk away than they grab
2:23:27
him and fucking cop is asked to
2:23:30
, his hands behind his back he said
2:23:32
what you doing in a civil let go
2:23:34
of me and they said you're under arrest for the
2:23:36
murder and rape of crystal faith honestly
2:23:38
said it's he said you got the wrong person
2:23:40
city got the wrong person ah
2:23:42
and then they sat him down and
2:23:44
took out the car out of his pocket said i'm
2:23:47
going to review your rights now sunni to listen
2:23:49
very carefully do you understand that's
2:23:51
and ah he said yes i understand
2:23:54
and die yeah he said what
2:23:56
what is this out on on you don't understand
2:23:58
i wasn't even around that not i couldn't
2:24:00
done i couldn't either like you've been
2:24:02
informed of you're right the understand that
2:24:04
yes and he said yes but there's been mistake
2:24:06
you'll see my mom it's unclear
2:24:08
not i want call my mama that's
2:24:12
what he said my mom have been cleared up
2:24:14
wanna call my mama my mama these
2:24:17
yeah sooner they said well you know your the
2:24:19
familiar the primary suspect even sure they
2:24:21
being charged with murder and he said again pulled
2:24:23
out my mama and repeated at all
2:24:25
day long
2:24:27
so anyway questioning
2:24:30
again different questioning now now it's point the
2:24:33
he said i didn't have anything to do with it will you
2:24:35
talk to me and ah why
2:24:37
wow what do i have to say to get you to understand
2:24:40
they're like we're not listening he
2:24:42
said mr knowles that's the officer mr
2:24:44
knows you knows i couldn't have done this does mistake
2:24:46
being made that no mistake
2:24:50
and they said well what is
2:24:52
going ask some questions here may take a while
2:24:54
he said there's no questions i've done nothing
2:24:56
i'm on call my mom though
2:25:00
i am try to tell you this is mistake
2:25:02
he said i'd say that you know they
2:25:05
took him down sat him down and
2:25:07
die he said we don't need to do this and
2:25:09
they said him out you
2:25:11
understand me were doing vests basically
2:25:14
and he said you're not listening know
2:25:16
, tried to tell i tried to
2:25:18
tell them others they
2:25:20
said we're going to listen to you were we want hear
2:25:22
all about it they say you've been
2:25:24
told your rights right yes i have okay
2:25:27
great so they said can you've been
2:25:29
instructed concerning your rights do understand
2:25:31
what i'm saying and he said yes are you willing to
2:25:33
talk and said yes the
2:25:35
they go in hard they said can
2:25:37
we want to clear if you from start today we
2:25:39
know that you killed crystal taught and we're here to
2:25:41
listen to your side of its were sure
2:25:43
you've got something you want to say to us and
2:25:45
he said what i didn't do it i'm
2:25:47
trying tell us and they said
2:25:50
ah wait we'd like to record this can
2:25:52
do mind if we turn on the tape recorder and
2:25:54
he said record it and looks at
2:25:56
the recorder and they said we are tape recorder
2:25:58
hearsay and he said he
2:26:00
goes can just push this button like that we turn it
2:26:02
on and can said i don't want record on
2:26:04
a want no record or on they
2:26:08
said if we tape it will have record of everything
2:26:10
we'd like to turn it on can but we won't if
2:26:12
you don't wanna still and he said know there
2:26:14
ain't nothing to tell anyway ottawa no record
2:26:16
or are now they said i we will
2:26:18
turn on you can go ahead and tell us
2:26:20
what's you tell us what you did we
2:26:22
want work with you you can see that we're
2:26:24
not turning this machine i'm like look
2:26:26
over delivery oh and you favor we'll
2:26:30
have to work with us we can't unless you work
2:26:32
with us and i they
2:26:34
center right now tell us what she did he
2:26:38
said wait said wait listen to me carefully
2:26:41
they didn't do this i'm telling you
2:26:43
i didn't kill the girl just as my
2:26:45
mom of the seasons there isn't
2:26:48
the you know that off were asking you
2:26:51
if he said we're asking
2:26:53
you your mama wants you to tell us the truth and
2:26:55
he said he said i didn't
2:26:57
kill nobody and i
2:26:59
they said why did you killer can we know
2:27:01
you did it we've got witnesses saw you whether
2:27:03
that night not true at all by the way i
2:27:06
said said interview as an interrogation
2:27:08
recently that was watching where the costs
2:27:10
holds they did like a double wide
2:27:13
like the cop is allowed to lie about evidence
2:27:15
they have to you they can saga your
2:27:17
fingerprints all over that gone when they dealt with
2:27:19
cops told the person legally
2:27:22
i'm not allowed to tell you i have evidence
2:27:24
i don't have so
2:27:26
here's the evidence i have not only did he not
2:27:28
have that evidence he also isn't legally
2:27:31
required to telling the truth so you lie as a while
2:27:34
i was a metal eyebrow my head hurt and
2:27:36
figure out all while
2:27:38
it's it hurts i didn't kill nobody
2:27:40
we've got a witness and he says i didn't
2:27:42
do it i didn't do it what's wrong with the a while
2:27:45
obsolescence they said it to have to
2:27:47
killer is that it it
2:27:49
had to killer for some reason and he
2:27:51
said to get a phone call they
2:27:53
said tell her why you killed scam that's all you
2:27:55
have do his own get call i
2:27:57
wanna call my mom they
2:28:00
said you're not going get outta here call anyone
2:28:02
see anyone until you tell us why you killed
2:28:04
crystal they get real close
2:28:07
to him and he says we know he
2:28:09
did it there's no use to deny it we're
2:28:11
here to hear your side and ah
2:28:13
that's what's gonna happen they
2:28:15
can said what about you you
2:28:17
know i couldn't have done this to the other cop tell
2:28:19
him tell him about me boniface
2:28:21
our friends at all ,
2:28:24
the other cop to go you know why let's on top of
2:28:26
your he think you're coming out of his strengths
2:28:28
knows the the other copies of sits there and
2:28:30
stairs adam and the other now the the keys the note
2:28:32
taker is other cops the address that's vader
2:28:34
one cops canada canada up guy
2:28:36
he'll pick up any many loose ends but not
2:28:38
dick dick the weed the so
2:28:41
caldwell says clothes he can't help
2:28:43
you son in house
2:28:46
only you can help yourself and
2:28:48
can lead the way and said tell head
2:28:50
to the other guys have
2:28:52
mills said there's nothing there's nothing say can he
2:28:54
tells you how it is you've gotta tell us
2:28:56
what happened the can
2:28:58
i said i didn't do anything you're not
2:29:00
listed and i didn't do anything and then
2:29:02
he started crying they
2:29:05
backed off a little adam compose himself
2:29:07
and then a movie that came and said this is the behavior
2:29:09
of an innocent man but of
2:29:11
but his does is everywhere that's a for
2:29:14
the problem is everything else he's got
2:29:16
accepted jazz and murder girl was
2:29:18
evident that had marathon yes yes
2:29:20
and also wanting attackers mama little
2:29:22
weird so , guess brandon
2:29:24
bass you want to talk his momma to of is so
2:29:27
so said can i'd like to help to with
2:29:31
is not lot i can do for you unless
2:29:33
you help us and then
2:29:35
can look at him and he said we've that
2:29:37
dna can and it says you
2:29:39
did can says that's a
2:29:41
lie no
2:29:43
and he says no sir we got
2:29:46
it we would never rest as you have we didn't have
2:29:48
proof dna don't last as
2:29:50
they both leaned in and cornered him and says
2:29:52
i that's not all we have we've
2:29:55
got everything we've got tired france son
2:29:57
match a car for it's our turn
2:30:00
it doesn't have any here and slacken perfect
2:30:02
met the best then
2:30:04
they said didn't the
2:30:07
denticles kansas vet can then
2:30:09
said that's that's lot to
2:30:11
you can't have because i will i wasn't
2:30:13
there they said no
2:30:15
use to deny son we got him from we
2:30:17
got lot more than that that's
2:30:19
why you killed her that's really all we wanna
2:30:21
know my and
2:30:25
one cop shook his head and said we're wasting
2:30:28
time here can tell us why you killed
2:30:30
crystal i don't kill nobody
2:30:32
we know you did i did not tell
2:30:34
any of his the back and forth we now he
2:30:36
did i didn't don't deny it
2:30:38
sign i want my mama so clear
2:30:40
this up there , no mama
2:30:42
know daddy's there's nobody but you
2:30:44
boy tell us why you killed the girl
2:30:47
who this who the dialogue as happening
2:30:49
and is like groups whose know mama there's
2:30:51
no daddy sounds like killed the
2:30:53
girl eyes so
2:30:56
they said i'm then know
2:30:58
nods to the other officer and
2:31:00
leaned back and said wait now this is get mad
2:31:02
hand david when you take break it's
2:31:04
not going help us to get upset here good cop
2:31:06
bad cop the bad mans god
2:31:09
i'll help you south this guy sits back
2:31:11
and share and stands up in says my come
2:31:13
back out some answers and any
2:31:15
leaves no
2:31:17
so leaned in and said okay can i know
2:31:19
says hard on you but it doesn't have to be let's
2:31:21
just take little break to right here me in you
2:31:23
do need some guy gets isn't the only
2:31:26
thing sewer the burger
2:31:28
can survive he just shook his head
2:31:30
and and he said okay let's just rest
2:31:32
then we don't even have to talk less is rest
2:31:34
that's fine i'm in no
2:31:36
problem here ah so anyway
2:31:38
they said dot ten say the a drink
2:31:40
do drugs never hurt anybody in his life had
2:31:43
job playing guitar to church had
2:31:45
nice girlfriend that everything was
2:31:47
going his way he said his story that
2:31:49
he last seen crystal three or four days prior
2:31:52
was thrilled they said why would i have killed
2:31:54
or why it's so it's
2:31:56
said the other cop comes back and caldwell and
2:31:59
i he says are i can
2:32:02
we believe that you killed crystal but let's
2:32:04
let that go from interesting
2:32:07
will have to we have to try to look at this
2:32:09
thing in terms of what man will and
2:32:11
won't do and he said sometimes
2:32:14
a man will do something and it's just because he's
2:32:16
just a mean person know to mean can there's
2:32:18
some to there's mean people in the world this
2:32:20
is no accounting for them that is born mean
2:32:23
i guess and there's some and
2:32:25
they'll do things that a mean this even kill someone
2:32:27
because just because he with me camps
2:32:29
he nods sometimes old man
2:32:31
will do something even kill somebody cause he's
2:32:33
made made he and want to
2:32:35
may be hidden even mean to but happens
2:32:38
he made a mistake any sorry though he's
2:32:40
sorry and , noel says
2:32:42
we're trying say candidate crystal would have been
2:32:44
killed out of a meet a crystal
2:32:47
could have been killed out of mean this aura could
2:32:49
just been mistake terrible mistake
2:32:51
you understand right and he nodded
2:32:54
the reason we're telling this cat is because it's important
2:32:56
for man to know truth about himself and
2:32:58
whether he's a mean man or whether he's
2:33:00
not and the reason that matters is because
2:33:02
the difference between guilt and shame shame
2:33:05
is when you've done something wrong and feel bad about
2:33:07
inside that can feel terrible to
2:33:09
which is which is the worst feeling
2:33:11
depend the not depends on whether which
2:33:13
is the worst feeling depends on whether you're mean
2:33:15
person or not you see the me man
2:33:18
will feel shame any time somebody knows he
2:33:20
did something wrong and i'll always live with that
2:33:22
he won't always feel shamed we can get rid of it
2:33:25
as long as someone knows about what did wrong
2:33:27
he'll feel shame and feel bad but
2:33:29
a good man who makes a mistake as in
2:33:31
a better position they'll
2:33:33
feel guilty and feel bad about some he's
2:33:35
done inside of him where elite at embryos
2:33:37
that feel bad he can tell somebody
2:33:39
what he's done and get rid of that guilt is that
2:33:41
to live with it but he has to confess to
2:33:43
someone or it'll just keep
2:33:45
eating him up at eton him hop until says
2:33:48
the hollow man you
2:33:50
see a good man needs to own
2:33:52
up to his mistakes the matter how bad
2:33:54
they are as only way he'll ever be able
2:33:56
live with what he's done the
2:33:59
pretty good can rapid
2:34:01
rate then he
2:34:03
says which are you can
2:34:05
are you mean man they ago kinda
2:34:08
shook his head i know mean man yup
2:34:11
you're not mean man can know said
2:34:14
now he said how are we supposed believe
2:34:16
you you make it hard for us to believe you he
2:34:19
said sometimes people make mistakes in the world can
2:34:21
everybody makes mistakes there's no perfect
2:34:23
man the real man owns
2:34:25
up to his mistakes of course
2:34:27
is different kinds of mistakes to some not
2:34:29
bad as others and such as can help it's
2:34:31
something else influences what we
2:34:33
do our when do something isn't
2:34:36
that right can like when somebody
2:34:38
is drunk ever seen some i do some when they're
2:34:40
drunk can southern you just know they wouldn't
2:34:42
have done otherwise i bet you have says
2:34:44
yeah i seen that before he says
2:34:46
syria have we'll have a bow
2:34:49
and about when somebody makes
2:34:51
you mad remember earlier can when you boat
2:34:53
up army and i said something make
2:34:55
you mad did not and i didn't blame me for
2:34:57
get mad at me he said
2:34:59
that well i can think he got temper
2:35:01
can said i wasn't angry and he said sir you
2:35:03
are and it was all right can i'm a january
2:35:06
and said then had
2:35:08
said you shouldn't done you said you
2:35:10
may be right maybe i shouldn't have he says
2:35:12
but it happens and it's okay to say i did
2:35:15
you shouldn't you shouldn't have is all the
2:35:17
said that may be what happened
2:35:19
at maybe that's what happened you that that can
2:35:21
that would happen can't the crystal say summer
2:35:24
do some the made you mad he said
2:35:26
no i told yes we've been through that wow
2:35:28
what i've killed her and he they go
2:35:30
through the story you went straight home it's
2:35:32
rather went straight home he says where you
2:35:34
straight home take through conway
2:35:36
can because we know you are and conway
2:35:38
we got and witnesses saw you and conway so
2:35:40
tell us didn't drive to conway because know he
2:35:42
dead
2:35:43
that he said well see there's different there's
2:35:46
different ways i can get home there's four five
2:35:48
different ways i can drive
2:35:50
and you took one of the roots the tickets you conway
2:35:52
didn't yeah we had witnesses say
2:35:55
didn't he said i had some time drive
2:35:57
so i drove the ah the one way
2:35:59
and ice cool to the mall that's all i did
2:36:01
up ah oh you done
2:36:03
fucked as if you may the
2:36:05
loop around the mall but the said known said drove
2:36:08
behind the mall and then out on sata
2:36:10
out sata side on five or one five
2:36:12
didn't make the loop they said
2:36:14
well okay that makes more sense than
2:36:16
because i was confused mean we got this witness said
2:36:18
they say but now i understand they must seen him when
2:36:20
he drove through the mall parking lot you don't
2:36:22
have a put mess tv shows which
2:36:24
way drove can have as familiar
2:36:26
with the mall is y'all are he said he
2:36:29
took capella passes through the pet in path
2:36:32
had path pencil up a lot
2:36:34
of had and pencil up heads off heads
2:36:36
pan and pencil a pencil that's that's
2:36:38
worse than trash the class bags though
2:36:42
he drew rally around the back of the mall he said he
2:36:44
waved to couple friends as he drove by
2:36:46
and said he talked of people he said night waved
2:36:48
people you saw way you he said yeah
2:36:50
maybe they did in other words and me
2:36:52
that they said
2:36:54
our witness say they didn't see you at the mall
2:36:56
but they saw you on elm street the said wasn't
2:36:58
on elm street and he says
2:37:00
skill seem know where you are the
2:37:02
got says and i he says first not
2:37:05
and conway then your tenure at the mall
2:37:07
saying hello your friends which by the way we're checking
2:37:09
on right now and
2:37:11
he says i didn't say i saw this of yes
2:37:13
he did you said you wave to on he said i
2:37:15
met i don't know if they saw me they
2:37:18
say well as just another why isn't it that's all
2:37:20
we've heard his lies can you done
2:37:22
nothing but lotta was for close to three hours
2:37:24
now and said quote i'm tired this
2:37:26
ten men as a slave they
2:37:28
they said well we're tired of hearing change your
2:37:30
story every time we can you add another do i
2:37:33
tell us the truth can we want the truth
2:37:35
we know you killed priscilla we want to hear
2:37:37
your side it he said quotes a
2:37:39
lot of tops mama lawyer
2:37:42
says will talk to my lawyer and
2:37:44
then it's a completely different bag when he instead
2:37:46
choose his mom and that he said we told you can there's no
2:37:48
mom until you cooperate with us and tell us what
2:37:50
we want to hear and
2:37:52
said i'm not gonna tell you about it until i talk
2:37:55
to my mom the
2:37:57
i take a break they go
2:38:00
mama yeah okay cops day
2:38:02
he said i'm not coming down there but all right i'm
2:38:04
a note okay so
2:38:08
he writes a note saying can i love
2:38:10
you i know where you were at i
2:38:12
know where you were at we know when
2:38:14
you left the racetrack i know when you got home
2:38:16
i'll stand by you i love you mama now
2:38:20
the detective said they would either tagged
2:38:22
hector said not showing this to can they tried to
2:38:24
get her to write something like tell them with everything
2:38:26
you not when instead they of the opposite celsius
2:38:29
they they get back they
2:38:31
don't tell about the note mega your mama said
2:38:33
to tell us everything you now she wants to talk
2:38:35
to us
2:38:39
i follow
2:38:42
then they found our friend has
2:38:44
that said i i'm you
2:38:46
know he says them their eyes
2:38:48
he did they didn't see him waving like he said
2:38:51
he said wanted to talk to my mom us they said
2:38:53
we talk to your mama cats to set for you to go
2:38:55
hadn't tell the truth they
2:38:57
said what do mean where is she i want see or tennis
2:38:59
as they said you can't see or says want to see
2:39:01
right now anyway snow white july
2:39:03
bucko the mall and he said
2:39:05
what you mean see the want see me
2:39:08
they said forget that kid not seeing her nut
2:39:10
tell us why you lied about the goddamn mall
2:39:12
and says i didn't like you said i
2:39:14
could talk to my mama they said
2:39:16
no we didn't we said we'd talk to her your
2:39:18
father made it difficult to get a word and
2:39:20
but the gist of it as she wants you to cooperate with
2:39:22
us just tell the truth
2:39:24
talk to daddy to all god damn
2:39:26
and ten
2:39:29
you said you call it that he was right there
2:39:31
all right talking nonstop they don't want
2:39:33
to see right now they want you go ahead
2:39:35
tell the truth that tell
2:39:37
us why a lot about the mall and said i didn't
2:39:39
and said you dead we got the boy
2:39:41
right there you want me to bring him in here
2:39:44
have him call you liar that he had z with
2:39:46
mall the said know maybe
2:39:48
he just didn't see me out of no authority did
2:39:50
there
2:39:51
goes your story fallen apart can
2:39:53
our witness said they saw you in conway
2:39:55
and didn't say you're at the mall you
2:39:57
we know you were about that can and
2:40:00
i they said they saw you on elm street
2:40:02
with crystal that's where you were i was
2:40:04
not on elm street give it up can got the whole
2:40:07
story and new are all you got and
2:40:09
he says you're trying to trick me again though
2:40:12
they go through all this shit
2:40:15
and they said you
2:40:17
hear were saying can you hear us as people who confessed
2:40:19
for confessed crimes that out there leaving
2:40:21
productive lives right now turn over
2:40:23
when asia they said i
2:40:25
finally i hear approximately three
2:40:27
o'clock ah he thought of a
2:40:29
new know said this approach he said
2:40:31
this was this last approach he said cans religious
2:40:34
young man went church and played music so they
2:40:36
said ten that you ask god to
2:40:38
forgive you forgive which done vega can
2:40:40
broke down and saw guess
2:40:43
, they sound the button several
2:40:47
minutes later as he composes himself
2:40:49
they said ten the us god
2:40:51
to forgive you for what you've done and
2:40:53
die he cried again and cried
2:40:55
then he finally said yes they
2:40:59
said tell us about it do you mind if
2:41:01
we turn on recorder now and he
2:41:03
said no don't turn of answer like i distills
2:41:05
as soon as he , he drove back
2:41:07
from the go cart and seen crystal in her car
2:41:09
the ninth avenue stop light on elm street
2:41:12
street said they're driven their to the middle of school
2:41:14
are to the middle school where crystal parts or car
2:41:17
taking your keys and got a are got
2:41:19
in with him they wrote out to spot in the
2:41:21
country to park they started kissing one
2:41:24
thing left read to another left
2:41:26
read they had consensual sex without protection
2:41:29
and crystal got mad after he jack
2:41:31
you'll a that inside of her though
2:41:34
he didn't pull out she began to hit him
2:41:36
in justices story and fury
2:41:38
he says she got out the part of that are close on
2:41:40
all the while screaming that if he got as
2:41:43
she got her pregnant she was going to say
2:41:45
that he raped that's what his story is
2:41:47
so he said he was confused and angry water
2:41:50
to stop screaming stop get out of car
2:41:52
using knife that he kept in compartment between
2:41:55
the seat started stabbing her seizes
2:41:57
christ the about zero
2:41:59
to fuck sixty holy shit they
2:42:02
ask for details we simply said he was frantic
2:42:05
couldn't even remember everything that happened he
2:42:07
remember being very frightened when frightened when
2:42:09
what had done he dragged crystals body
2:42:12
from beside the card was disclosed
2:42:14
by through the knife as far as he could
2:42:16
and drove home as fast as his car
2:42:18
would take him he said quote i didn't
2:42:20
get very bloody how
2:42:22
sources yeah
2:42:24
he said his mother greeted him in the kitchen
2:42:27
and , bonnie say called and
2:42:29
that was that so ago he showed
2:42:32
up home after that not
2:42:34
very bloody mom didn't have any questions
2:42:36
little body and
2:42:38
that's fine though that's fucking
2:42:41
crazy south are ,
2:42:43
whether they're taken him to are they
2:42:45
take him to the detention center during the ride
2:42:47
he totally back to normal talk about weightlifting
2:42:49
and football and shit is asshole
2:42:52
just so i have
2:42:54
the ice they have they have
2:42:57
ah indecent those
2:42:59
exposure trial actually first
2:43:01
and , can said he testified
2:43:03
as own behalf and said he grabbed top
2:43:06
of my pants and kind shook it
2:43:08
he said the woman couldn't make couldn't wouldn't give
2:43:10
me time a day i felt like trash the
2:43:13
the prosecutor said you are trash when he came
2:43:15
there that's kind of person would expose himself to young
2:43:18
girls it never met his last night classes
2:43:21
which is true and so
2:43:23
the jury deliberated for two hours found him guilty
2:43:25
of indecent exposure there's that
2:43:27
south is murder trials a little
2:43:29
more important com it's
2:43:31
got fucking dna man i mean
2:43:33
the slang he tries to
2:43:35
testify on his own behalf
2:43:37
that doesn't go well ah ,
2:43:40
bring in charts with as styrofoam
2:43:43
had showing all of a stab wounds
2:43:45
and how deep they went and ah the
2:43:47
fact that she was conscious and blunt
2:43:49
force trauma and rape and all
2:43:51
this shit he gets on the
2:43:53
stand on the says he didn't raper he
2:43:55
didn't killer he didn't meet or that night the
2:43:58
city they several would then he said well
2:44:00
mama she always weights up army never
2:44:03
goes to sleep until get home when see see
2:44:05
me pull ups she got from the a got
2:44:07
up from dead and started walking the kids into me
2:44:09
and met her about half way the kitchen when i walk
2:44:11
the door the kitchen you know the bar and
2:44:13
everything is here and the kitchens and
2:44:15
there's a clock right above the kitchen table as he
2:44:17
looked as he said the romulan early ages
2:44:20
so we have was approximately i can't
2:44:22
say twelve fifteen booze approximately twelve
2:44:24
fifty thou yeah
2:44:28
the a also he's
2:44:30
talking about girlfriend i have girlfriend this
2:44:32
is crazy i have tammy and i like her
2:44:34
and i have no no interest in this
2:44:36
ah this have a wide you confess
2:44:38
news like i was scared of that's all
2:44:40
real scared so i confess said murdering
2:44:43
and raping people so
2:44:46
yeah they they about the fact
2:44:48
that they left him alone in the room and
2:44:50
all this type shit here the
2:44:53
way closing arguments the prosecutor
2:44:55
says this defendant is guilty and is earned his
2:44:57
right to be convicted and i
2:44:59
and the closing arguments with the fences will his
2:45:02
lawyer says quote they're all lying witness
2:45:04
after witnesses lying one
2:45:06
, us dna omission of
2:45:09
verdict comes in the not just guilty
2:45:11
mother fucking guilty which is us
2:45:14
it's that the often that verdict doesn't come down
2:45:16
south carolina mother often guilty minutes
2:45:18
or air once also found guilty of criminal
2:45:20
sexual conduct criminal the first degree kidnapping
2:45:22
and buggery kidnapping sodomy missouri
2:45:25
margaret you bugger that
2:45:28
is an anal things i leave that
2:45:31
thing here lots of witnesses come up
2:45:33
in sentencing lot
2:45:35
of his pornography comes up his behavior
2:45:37
at his funeral will kind of six block them
2:45:39
go there be pallbearer i'm
2:45:42
all this them some
2:45:44
other people came up came young woman and her
2:45:46
mother who said they'd received at least one hundred
2:45:48
obscene phone calls from can when can when
2:45:50
just fifteen years old real the
2:45:53
cause or descriptive some
2:45:55
rotates and they were
2:45:57
here's here's what she says quote in the cause
2:45:59
would say thing like i'm going tie you up
2:46:01
and spread your legs i'll make you scream
2:46:03
i'm going to hurt you i know where you live in
2:46:05
i'm going to get you he told my mother
2:46:07
i want fuck you i'm going to cut you open
2:46:09
i'm going to kill you he spoke
2:46:12
to me lot with lot of anal references
2:46:14
like i'm going to wrap my dick and your ass
2:46:16
and your pussy i'm going to ram the gear
2:46:18
shift any of seasons gone
2:46:21
he this woman said i told can registers
2:46:23
mother that can would end up raping and killing
2:46:25
some girl this guy is ted bundy fucking
2:46:27
it's of these a dumb ted bundy admin
2:46:30
that's what he is stupid ted bundy
2:46:32
should be the name is episodes that's exactly what
2:46:34
he has of ted bundy was both moron
2:46:36
he be like vests ah so
2:46:39
yeah everybody does that there is ah
2:46:42
about an hour and half of deliberations
2:46:44
here and there's
2:46:46
aggravating circumstances the
2:46:48
torture and the kidnapping in all this
2:46:53
vey sentenced him to use
2:46:56
our may spark of also
2:46:58
day they find him guilty of
2:47:00
the holding your against or well and raping and torturing
2:47:02
her death death penalty or life in
2:47:04
prison is on the table is that want
2:47:07
yeah you may
2:47:09
fuck off life imprisonment
2:47:11
wow
2:47:13
that's crazy or i guess because his young team
2:47:15
in a decent looking guy they're like well
2:47:18
as , are escalating as fuck
2:47:21
so he's a badge maria thanks
2:47:23
this is not good body say said don't
2:47:25
know how they could have mercy on him he certainly
2:47:27
didn't have any mercy at all on crystal no doubt
2:47:29
nor is there a sandwich see told
2:47:31
know yet ah god
2:47:33
damn man
2:47:35
body pay and can together
2:47:37
him obviously via video here went
2:47:39
on the sally jesse raphael so after
2:47:41
that yes memories
2:47:44
have a family a murderer together and
2:47:47
body face said they've sally so
2:47:49
sorry that want say to camp and
2:47:52
she said he was hug my neck ah
2:47:54
hugging my neck the next morning how could
2:47:56
you do it and be a pallbearer at her funeral
2:47:58
i know your mama once you home you know why
2:48:00
you home as bad as ideal can register
2:48:02
i want you to come home in box now
2:48:04
so many pieces it'll take an hour
2:48:06
to pick him up and put minutes you
2:48:08
enjoyed what you done crystal all the
2:48:10
time hug my next year the worst
2:48:12
monster to the rate nothing on are affected
2:48:15
crawl as low on their stomach
2:48:17
as you you'll break one day bodies
2:48:19
you'll break good one day i know and
2:48:22
he just he continued to deny that he
2:48:24
did anything didn't i came home and twelve fifteen
2:48:26
in the woods you mean his
2:48:28
, is based on fact that they didn't give a mama's
2:48:30
notes notes they lived all about
2:48:32
mama said but i'm here's the thing
2:48:35
as lot of shit that's constitutionally protected
2:48:37
i'm not sure a note from your mama
2:48:39
is constitutionally protected i'm pretty sure
2:48:41
it's not south the other part is it's
2:48:44
success like the concession that's what they were looking
2:48:46
for that's what they wanted you to make to get more of slam
2:48:48
dunk they have your dna stagger day and
2:48:50
i did it you fucking did
2:48:52
chief was just the confession i heard all
2:48:54
that well maybe they batter dumb into it no
2:48:57
then a they knew going on a
2:48:59
then the couple other things doesnt matter
2:49:01
there was a dissenting opinion though in the appeal
2:49:03
that would have had it overturned but they affirmed it
2:49:05
though two , fourteen
2:49:08
bonnie fay tod die all bonnie
2:49:10
an say poor bonnie died she had it rough
2:49:12
man i theres they said her life everybody
2:49:14
said she was just a shell every every
2:49:17
could tell it it hurt her she was opinion every day
2:49:19
over this which dont blame twenty
2:49:21
, theres a change dot org petition
2:49:25
against giving can parole hearing
2:49:27
set up bit of protest against him he has
2:49:29
twenty eight hundred seventy seven signatures bet
2:49:31
we can get that up little bit probably facility
2:49:33
more that this year
2:49:35
and he ended up he
2:49:38
ended just getting
2:49:40
rid of the thing he waved his right to
2:49:42
parole hearing and twenty twenty two but
2:49:44
he's up for another one and twenty twenty four so
2:49:46
who knows he waved his right this time guess
2:49:48
he realized wasn't fuck and happening so i don't
2:49:50
area or may be made a mistake in
2:49:52
jail to yeah ,
2:49:54
know that's probably possible to
2:49:57
the so they don't want him to be released obvious
2:50:00
li and i february twenty four
2:50:02
twenty twenty fours his next possible
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