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think it's time everybody. Yeah, let's

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dive right into this I think

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it's time to take a deep

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breath wherever you are out there

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a big giant 500th

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episode let's do it. That's

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all shout Let's

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do this everybody. Hey, let's go on

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a trip. Shall we let's go. All

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right Let's do it and we were

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looking for a special episode this week

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and thank everybody for all their suggestions,

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too We were overwhelmed some of

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them to Jimmy he went well, that's not for me

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to the whatever So I looked through a lot of

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them and we ended up finding this and

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it's a just a wild episode It

5:55

is definitely 10 pounds of murder in a two-pound

5:57

bag here. So let's go on a trip down

5:59

south here way down

6:01

south too. This is way,

6:04

way down south. It's Alabama.

6:07

We are going to Citroenel, Alabama.

6:10

Oh, like the candle? Like the candle.

6:12

Not a mosquito to be seen here.

6:14

Nope, and it's named after the plant

6:16

because it grows here. So this is

6:18

in southwestern Alabama. So it is down

6:21

there 40 minutes outside of

6:23

Mobile. And if you know

6:25

Mobile, Mobile is on the Gulf there. So

6:27

I mean this is as south

6:29

as it gets down here. It's

6:31

about, let's see, it's a while

6:34

to our last Alabama episode was

6:36

Chanchula, Alabama. And that was

6:38

episode 447 which was Bargain Bin Bundy. So

6:41

it's been a while since we've been back

6:43

here. Population of this town 3940.

6:45

And where our

6:48

murders take place this week too is

6:50

just outside the town on a rural dirt road.

6:53

I mean this is like, this is small-town murder

6:55

as it gets here. And that's why we had

6:57

to make sure. We didn't want to have one

6:59

like in a suburb of somewhere. We wanted it

7:01

to be real gritty, backwoods,

7:03

small-town, real action for this.

7:05

Yeah, median household income here

7:07

well below the national average.

7:09

It's $50,956. It's usually

7:12

almost $70,000. Median home price though.

7:15

Everybody buckle up for this shit. $159,000. Good lord. You couldn't get

7:17

a trailer

7:20

in Phoenix for that. No. That's

7:22

insane. And the motto here, they have a

7:25

motto, the best kept

7:27

secret in southern Alabama. Bet

7:30

you hurricanes have heard of it. They

7:33

have. There's a tree that was, we'll talk about

7:35

it, but in the things to do it gathers

7:37

around a tree that was taken out down in a

7:40

hurricane which is interesting here. I

7:42

thought the best kept secret in southern Alabama is

7:44

that those two cousins were fucking over there. That's

7:46

what I thought the best kept secret was. But

7:48

I guess the whole family knows about that probably.

7:51

So history here, the first Europeans

7:53

here were the French in the 18th century.

7:57

Yeah, they came 1700s. They heard

7:59

that the land had healing herbs and mineral

8:01

springs. So they came here and

8:04

it was ended up being settled in

8:06

about 1811. The name citronell is French

8:09

derived from the citronella plant and

8:11

the town became a popular resort

8:13

destination in the late 1800s, which

8:15

is interesting. They

8:18

never been to a good resort? They

8:21

had healing waters here. Back then they'd

8:23

go anywhere with a hot Arkansas, had

8:25

tons of resort spots because they had

8:27

natural sulfur water. Guys, that's mud. It's

8:30

just sulfur water. What smells?

8:32

That's the healing waters. That's what stinks. A

8:35

lot of hotels were built to accommodate

8:38

these people. Really? Yeah, now that's

8:40

all gone though. As we know, 3900 people live here. In 1955,

8:42

oil was discovered here.

8:47

Is that right? So today this town is

8:50

known as the oil capital of Alabama. Not

8:52

Alabama, right? That's right. I believe Jed

8:54

Clampett was the guy who found it,

8:57

if I'm not mistaken, sounds like. So

8:59

reviews of this town. Five stars. Citronell

9:01

is a small community town. Is

9:04

it a community or a town? Or both? There we go.

9:06

There's plenty of good people. There is plenty

9:09

of good people. There is. Who

9:11

live in the surrounding neighborhoods. The schools in

9:13

citronell are excellent for such a small town.

9:15

There's plenty to do in terms of outdoor

9:18

activities such as going to the golf course

9:20

or swimming in the lake. There's

9:23

a lake. There's a lake. Things will crawl up

9:25

inside your body. That's not the difference. They'll swim

9:27

up your pee hole. That's not good. All up

9:30

your pee hole and your butt hole. Yeah, you

9:32

think it's watertight, but those things are, they sneak

9:34

in. Any submergable holes getting things

9:36

in it. That's what I mean. You ever seen a

9:38

bug sneak through a spot? They can smush down to

9:40

nothing. It's not going to work. So

9:43

four stars. I am

9:45

from Citronell, Alabama, and it's a

9:47

small town, nothing big. It

9:50

is like a town I prefer to live

9:52

in than a big city. That's a sentence.

9:54

It is like a town I prefer to live in than

9:56

a big city. Really

9:59

exposing that. top quality

10:01

education that Alabama offers. Tell me

10:03

how good the schools are, please.

10:06

The backwoods are great and a peaceful

10:08

relaxing place to live. I like the

10:10

woods, that's fine. There are things that

10:12

need improvement but what town slash city

10:15

does not need that? Overall it's great.

10:17

Take it good with the bad. Sure.

10:21

Sometimes there's some bad shit. Grain

10:23

of salt shit happens. Whatever. Nothing's

10:25

perfect. Three stars. I've lived in

10:27

Citronel all of my life and

10:29

while I do feel there is

10:31

a sense of community here, the

10:33

small-town life can also be stifling.

10:36

Yeah. Oh wow. Everybody knows everybody which can be

10:38

a good thing but it can also

10:40

be very negative. People here also don't

10:42

care for their views to be challenged

10:44

or disagreed with. I think

10:46

that's everywhere. I don't think that's... And

10:49

it's nice when everybody knows you. Right

10:51

up until everybody knows you. Yes. That's

10:54

the thing. When you have, oh boy,

10:56

I'll tell you after the show, but

10:59

I had a weird conversation today, boy,

11:01

that just... You're the neighbor? Oh, never

11:03

mind. Never mind because they might listen

11:05

so I don't want them to blow

11:08

my house up. Anyway, things to do

11:10

here. Here we go. The

11:12

Surrender Oak Festival. Okay.

11:15

This is a festival around

11:17

both a surrender of Confederate

11:20

unit and a tree that blew down. Oh,

11:22

we'll combine the two. We'll combine. Well, the

11:24

tree was... it's called the Surrender Oak because

11:27

that's where the surrender happened and

11:29

then a hurricane took the tree down. And

11:31

the hurricane was right up its ass? Wow.

11:33

Right up its ass. So yes, it's the

11:35

festival, the first Saturday in May. It's the

11:38

celebration or the re... they do a reenactment

11:40

of the last surrender of the Confederate Army

11:42

east of the Mississippi River which

11:44

occurs... Very specific. Very specific in Citronel on

11:47

May 4th 1865. They were trying to find

11:51

something to have a festival about and they're like, did you hear

11:53

about this shit? They

11:56

say the closing scenes of

11:58

that awful bloody drama, the Civil War,

12:00

war were witnessed in this vicinity, Lee

12:02

and Johnson had surrendered, as that

12:04

already happened. Mobile had been

12:06

occupied by Union forces

12:08

after the Battle of Mobile Bay, but no

12:10

one organized a body of Confederates that could

12:13

be called an army that remained in the

12:15

field. The last army of close to 9,000

12:17

soldiers surrendered on May 4th here, and

12:20

that's what they did, under a

12:22

large white oak tree in Citroenau.

12:25

That's what they did. And they

12:27

called it the Surrender Oak. Because

12:29

it's white, Jack. Because it's white,

12:31

exactly. It's perfect. White

12:34

flag. And then Mother

12:36

Nature didn't like it at all. Didn't like it.

12:39

Well, we don't even know what year. Either in 1902 or 1906,

12:42

depending on the source, it blew down

12:44

from a hurricane. I

12:46

have no idea. So they made

12:48

walking canes, gavels, and other items as

12:51

souvenirs out of the tree. And

12:53

they have a few of them in the

12:55

Smithsonian, actually, there. So not bad. Really? They

12:58

have a memorial marker. They placed it on the spot here. And

13:01

the city of Citroenau planted a live,

13:03

a young live oak tree in the

13:06

approximate location of the Surrender Oak. And

13:09

they didn't even know where it was? Nope. They

13:12

didn't even know what year it fell down. They're like,

13:14

what's the year? It's a real special tree. It's totally

13:16

special. And then they reenact their lowest

13:19

moment. It's a very strange festival. How

13:22

hilarious that they lost the tree. They

13:24

lost track of it. Yep. It's

13:26

a fucking tree. God damn, we lost the water, we lost

13:28

the tree, we lost it all. Damn

13:31

this town. No, so this town

13:33

looks very quaint, I will say that. It looks

13:35

like a nice cute little quaint. It looks like

13:37

where Reese Witherspoon would have a romantic comedy in

13:40

1999. You know what I mean? Horse

13:43

and buggy rides, children's train rides, a

13:45

petting zoo. This all says Civil War

13:47

reenactment, doesn't it? A

13:51

turpentine demonstration. See

13:56

how that is? Watch this. It came

13:58

off right there, cleaned it with the turpentine. That's

14:00

a demonstration. Put it

14:02

on a pretty girl's mouth and do what you want.

14:05

There you go. Choctaw

14:07

Native American dancers, a moonshine still. No

14:09

samples, they say next to it. They're

14:11

just going to show you. A

14:14

wooden bowl maker demonstration. Show

14:17

me how to make a bowl and

14:19

a cross-cut saw demonstration. Watch us saw

14:21

things. And then finally,

14:24

the surrender reenactment ceremony, which will

14:26

take place. Obviously the culmination

14:28

of the evening. I hope there's

14:30

a lot of people laughing at that. That is

14:32

insane. That said, let's

14:34

talk about some horrible murder. Let's do it.

14:36

This is insane what we're talking about here.

14:38

It's episode 500. How can

14:40

it not be insane? Great. You have to do

14:42

this. Let's get into this. Let's

14:45

talk about a couple of people. First off, let's

14:47

talk about a couple. This is

14:49

Joseph Adam Turner. He

14:51

is 26 years old in 2016. So

14:55

that's where we're going to start. So pretty recent here. 2016,

14:58

Joseph Adam Turner, Joseph. He

15:02

has a girlfriend that they live together

15:04

and everything. She is

15:06

Shannon Melissa Randall. She's 35

15:08

actually. He's 26. She's 35. Yeah,

15:12

so they get together. They

15:14

have a three-month-old son named Darren.

15:18

So they have that's coming along here

15:20

at this point. Joseph

15:22

here, the guy, he also has a sister

15:24

that hangs out with them a lot. Her

15:26

name is Lanetta Lester.

15:29

L-A-N-E-T-A. Lanetta. Lanetta

15:32

Lester. And Lanetta

15:35

here, Lanetta's got kind

15:37

of a wild life since she's hooked up

15:40

with this guy. She's got a boyfriend. Oh,

15:42

was she married? How did she have a different last name?

15:45

I have no idea. They probably have different dads.

15:47

Yeah, this is when I show

15:50

you the house that everybody resides in, you'll go.

15:52

Nobody has the same father in this house at

15:54

all. Nobody has the same last name at all.

15:56

Never. So yeah, she's got a very

15:58

explosive relationship with a guy. guy named

16:00

Derek Ryan Deerman. He's

16:04

27. He's from Leakesville, Mississippi, which

16:07

isn't too far from

16:09

here. They started dating.

16:11

We're going to catch up with them

16:13

in August of 2016. They

16:16

only have been dating since January 2016. Pretty

16:19

new relationship. And it's like

16:22

complicated and they live

16:24

together and then they're fighting and she goes,

16:26

it's eight months. Just break up. It's not

16:28

working. If you

16:30

have explosive fights in the first six months

16:32

of knowing someone, that has no future

16:37

probably. You got to get along for

16:39

a while anyway. You're not going to work that out. No.

16:42

You just don't like each other. You

16:44

just got together. They had their relationship

16:46

status on Facebook said in a relationship

16:48

with each other in February of 2016.

16:50

Oh, not complicated. Just interrelated. With each

16:52

other. Picture together the whole deal. They

16:56

were together from January to August

16:58

and he's very abusive toward her

17:00

the whole time by the way. Multiple

17:02

people see it. It's like he doesn't ...

17:04

Oh, it's on the surface? Oh, he doesn't even

17:06

hide it. No. This guy's a lunatic. Well, he's

17:08

high on meth most of the time is the

17:10

problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you're high on meth,

17:12

I feel like your judgments are a little off

17:14

and they are for him. Evidently.

17:17

Yeah. Seems like as people do a lot of weird shit,

17:19

they probably wouldn't do normally on meth. You

17:22

ever see people riding bikes around at 4

17:24

o'clock in the morning scratching their face? Without

17:26

meth, that's not happening probably. It's a fascinating

17:28

life. I don't ... I still for the

17:30

life of me cannot gather. You

17:33

know what the end is. Why start? If you

17:35

can do ... Look, I'm not a Coke guy.

17:38

Never was. Just not my thing. But there are

17:40

people I know that have done Coke for

17:42

a long time and they know how to deal with it

17:44

and then there's people that's destroyed their whole lives. But

17:47

meth is like ... I've never known anybody to

17:49

be like, just a casual meth user for those

17:51

ass to ... I only use it to party

17:54

once in a while. Never liked that. No. It's

17:57

like smoking crack. Once you get to that point, it's not

17:59

a party anymore. It's not it's a need

18:02

you're missing teeth and you your family

18:04

doesn't recognize you Yeah, open sores are

18:06

not the best look not anybody So

18:09

a man said his family at

18:11

this time provided a home for

18:13

Derek and Lynetta earlier

18:16

in 2016 near

18:18

Leakesville, Mississippi And this

18:20

man said that Deerman was pretty much all the

18:22

time on meth. So that was a problem You

18:25

rent a place to a guy and now he's a method and

18:28

that he would Take Lynetta out

18:30

in the woods to do walks walk

18:33

her into the woods in rural, Mississippi

18:35

And beat the shit out of her out there Just beat

18:37

her in the woods. So no one would see it He'd just take her

18:40

out there and beat her up in the woods Which

18:42

is that's disturbing because she probably knew

18:44

that she was being taken out there to be beaten.

18:46

I Figure after the first

18:48

time, you know, yeah you go. I'm not

18:51

going in the woods anymore We've

18:53

done this twice both times So

18:56

Charlie Passarelli jr. I didn't think we'd have

18:58

a lot of Passarelli's down here, but apparently

19:00

we do Charlie

19:02

Passarelli jr. Said he knew Deerman for years and

19:05

he said quote he was taking her out there

19:07

beating the crap out of her Was

19:09

beating the crap out of her out there. He

19:11

said that he always figured that that

19:14

Deerman was just you know Buying or

19:16

selling drugs and that's kind of how

19:18

it was now Derek Deerman

19:20

has been married before He's only

19:22

27, but he is has

19:25

been divorced for six years and has two kids

19:29

With a woman Yeah,

19:31

crystal is her name his ex she

19:33

divorced him in 2010 She

19:36

said he always had a temper especially when he

19:38

didn't get his way People

19:41

on meth are usually so reasonable, you

19:43

know, that's really strange They're usually just

19:45

real approachable and open to suggestion new

19:48

ideas. Yeah Much much

19:50

goes his way Probably not

19:52

a time. Well, right you hear a little

19:54

bit about this story She

19:56

said he's very violent Also,

19:58

I was the problem. She said. That quote. I once woke

20:01

up to him holding a knife to my throat

20:03

in bed with my baby in the crib right

20:05

there. He

20:07

met, he's made threats the entire time

20:10

we were together and after we separated.

20:13

Is. A terrible crazy brahim. What is

20:15

out of this guy? Since he was

20:17

a teenager, he's been on and off

20:19

with the math with pills with other

20:21

shit. Yeah, I'm apparently after finding. Lots.

20:24

Of records on him, they have the

20:26

courts dead here. He had a history

20:28

beginning at the age of five of

20:30

disciplinary problems. South. So this

20:33

is like systemic as far as

20:35

bad ones. tantrums right? like tear

20:37

apart a kindergarten classroom and shit

20:39

like that. Yeah, like out like

20:41

a rock star. South or so

20:43

it's terrible. living situation very tumultuous

20:45

at home and his parents will

20:47

say the same thing later on.

20:49

He's got all of his records,

20:51

route everything say that he's aggressive.

20:53

He has defiant behavior. I'm a

20:56

day at a diagnosis of oppositional

20:58

defiant disorder as well. He

21:01

can't. Beat. Not a twat. That's what

21:04

that is that that's already a for him.

21:06

I've been looking this over and I mean,

21:08

we're not big on authority. that's why we're

21:10

comedians, but at some point we're like and

21:13

I'll yeah, I can't centers gonna get along

21:15

to go on. Go on, get out his

21:17

you can understand there's certain things you can't

21:19

do it, you know to be I can't

21:22

like, you know? strap up humans of the

21:24

roof of my car and drive ninety five

21:26

miles an hour down a main street of

21:28

a small town. probably that's probably illegal in

21:31

our recent string fire. In a theater you

21:33

can't There's things and these people are like

21:35

all screens in fucking fire. I want and

21:37

how dare you tell me? Not the fucking

21:40

offering. Fryer the bombs. hello. Give a shit.

21:43

So it's just a complete theme of

21:45

being a just have no respect for

21:47

anything married now just authority does anything

21:49

to complete ass mom as around but

21:52

they're of in they can't control him

21:54

ever since Slimy is a little get

21:56

if they have in their divorced and

21:58

they have alarms and he. That

22:00

out on the world Basically lived in two thousand

22:02

and three. He was in a car accident. Which

22:05

is when he was. Let's see thirty

22:07

Miles away as fourteen thirteen fourteen his

22:09

in a car accidents is is where

22:11

Ivan are not. No no no he

22:13

was in the car where he and

22:15

a woman survived but two people died

22:17

in the car. Oh shit yeah. killed

22:20

a twenty one year old. The thirty

22:22

four year old in the car accidents

22:24

were one of the people who died.

22:26

Larry Hill was his name's hurt his

22:28

mother whose name is Betty Davis by

22:30

the way. there's I guess of C.

22:33

C said that. You know he

22:35

was a nice kid back then. He said quote

22:37

he's to stay at my house all the time

22:40

with Larry why was or twenty one year old

22:42

son hanging out with a thirteen year old now

22:44

and sleep overs. First of all I'd like to

22:46

know about that him as students I was. So

22:48

there's no ages like why would you wanna hang

22:50

out with a thirteen year old when it's only

22:53

when I guess you're both drink and fit in

22:55

as a surprise Friday in the same sex So

22:57

yeah. So

22:59

they said that he, the kids dear mean when

23:01

he was a kid, served as a pallbearer at

23:03

the funeral and everything. When. He was fourteen and

23:05

he said it didn't seem to really affected

23:08

me and seem to have like in a

23:10

Ptsd or anything like that. but who knows

23:12

if they actually tried to get him any

23:14

kind of counseling or anything. After being a

23:16

child watching to people die before your eyes

23:19

he may have an already fucked up along

23:21

the on long before the see. This is

23:23

around when the Met starts to say so.

23:25

Let's fast forward to August Seventeen, Two Thousand

23:27

and sixteen. And. Is aware

23:30

that case it's a Wednesday

23:32

and. Idea: I'm

23:34

in here. Derek and Joseph Turner.

23:37

Get. Together that is her his

23:39

girlfriend's brother. They get together at

23:41

her at his house while. This.

23:44

Houses Barely a house really. it's as a

23:46

place where dear man says it's of know

23:48

it's Joseph Turner's house and we are Madison.

23:50

sort of allowed their sometimes when he's not

23:52

on math and trying to beat up the

23:54

guy sister south. It's.

23:56

and gym plaque road is the name of the roads

23:59

were thousand there's your and that local area, they

24:01

were together on Wednesday the 17th to

24:04

chop up an old trailer. So

24:08

that's fascinating, right? So

24:11

that deerman could sell it for scrap. Oh,

24:15

he's... So this is what

24:17

we're doing. He's like bubbles from the wire,

24:19

basically. Like he's got a shopping cart full

24:21

of aluminum he's gonna go sell for drug

24:24

money. Full of a holiday rambler's skin. So

24:26

that night, deerman spent the night

24:31

with his girlfriend

24:34

here at

24:36

the home of the brother. So

24:38

they let him stay over. Yeah, Lynetta stays

24:41

there. They're having a good day,

24:43

I guess. So they've chopped up a

24:45

trailer. It's Miller time and then we're gonna relax. So

24:48

the next day,

24:51

Randall, who owns the home, that's

24:53

his girlfriend who's pregnant there, who

24:56

owns the home too with Turner's, told Derek

24:59

she didn't know that he was gonna be able to stay there and

25:02

the brother already told Derek that

25:04

he could stay there. So they let him stay the night

25:06

and the next day she was like, you can't stay here

25:08

anymore. I don't want you in my fucking house. I don't

25:10

like you. Whatever. So Lynetta

25:12

had her brother take her back

25:14

to a home in Loosdale, Mississippi

25:18

where the two were staying at the

25:20

time, Derek and Lynetta. Okay. That night,

25:22

deerman beat the shit out of her

25:25

in Loosdale. Yeah. So

25:27

they didn't... Yeah, so

25:30

that gives her a beating apparently and he's also

25:32

high on meth because he sold all his scrap

25:34

metal. So that means he's got meth money.

25:37

So she called her brother and said, can

25:39

I come back to your house on Jim Flat Road there

25:41

and stay with you because he's beating the shit out of

25:43

me and they were like, yeah, we told you not to

25:45

leave in the first place for Christ's sake. We left your

25:47

air mattress set up on the living room. We knew you'd

25:49

be back. So today...

26:00

I think she did probably that's the thing

26:02

because they everything I see everybody keeps referring

26:04

to it They keep saying the house on

26:07

Jim Platt Road like every Interview

26:09

and stuff it's about Jim Platt Road Jim Platt

26:11

Road So it's stuck in my head like this

26:13

endless loop of Jim Platt Road Jim Platt Road

26:16

Jim Platt Road Solomon I think of all night

26:18

so Thursday goes by pretty uneventfully

26:20

besides her going back home To

26:24

her brother's house then Friday comes around

26:26

Friday August 19th 2016

26:28

so At

26:31

the the Jim Platt Road house It's an

26:33

isolated home by the way all by itself

26:35

sitting out here on a dirt road west

26:37

of citronell So it's not only

26:39

neighbor they had was a trailer and it's

26:42

up to smithereens scream all you all ain't

26:44

nobody gonna hear you That's what we're talking

26:46

about now. So everybody decides

26:48

to have a low-key weekend. We have

26:50

Lynetta We have her brother and

26:53

her brother and Shannon her brother's girlfriend

26:55

who's pregnant by the way I'm sorry. No,

26:57

this one's coming up as they have

26:59

a three-month-old. Sorry named Aaron then

27:01

there's two other friends here Justin

27:04

Caleb read who's 23 and His

27:08

wife Chelsea Marie read who's 22 and

27:10

pregnant? Five

27:13

months pregnant 22 years old So Justin

27:16

is trying to figure out a way to

27:18

go to college because he wants to be

27:20

a video game developer He's got a

27:23

lot of he's good with electronics So

27:25

instead he's having a cookout 98

27:27

dream. Yeah, he's got yeah. Yeah

27:30

shit kids now still are crazy for that

27:32

shit Unbelievable, but they want

27:34

to play them not develop them. That's what developing

27:36

them is though Is it

27:39

it's half playing them? It's what game would I

27:41

like to play and then you get the program?

27:43

You have to have so much creativity too. It's

27:45

not just computer. It's not just like technical savvy

27:47

You have to have like a whole

27:50

you have to be able to imagine a world that's entertaining

27:52

enough to charge someone $100 to dick with And

27:55

create a goal that's that's different and new I

27:57

mean, yes, you don't have to create a new

28:00

got a guy to kill. Yeah, just kill. What

28:02

weapons will you use to kill these people over

28:04

there? Wild-ass guns. So

28:07

here they are. Chelsea, by

28:09

the way, is Shannon's niece.

28:11

So, Lynetta's brother's girlfriend's niece.

28:14

Everybody's sort of related here. These are

28:16

young people to be just hanging out

28:18

wildly. Yeah, they're just hanging out at

28:21

the house. They decide to have a

28:23

nice, easy weekend. Friday night they have

28:25

a cookout. Robert Lee Brown comes over.

28:28

He is Shannon's brother. So

28:31

Shannon's brother's there. Shannon's niece is there

28:33

with her husband and Lynetta. It's a

28:35

big party. Everybody's sort of related a

28:38

little bit. They're going to have

28:40

a big cookout and then they settle in to watch a

28:42

movie together. So it's a nice night,

28:44

nice and relaxing. 2016, it really sounds like a

28:46

1993 night they're having. It

28:48

does. We're a blockbuster. We rented

28:50

fucking ... Doing nothing for

28:53

the stereotype of Alabama is 15

28:55

years behind everybody. Yeah. They're

28:58

doing 15 years ago shit. That's exactly right. Then

29:00

they all got on MySpace afterwards and they were

29:02

like, checking

29:04

to see their top friends list. So

29:07

they're out there AOL CDs and getting right there

29:09

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29:11

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Justin and Chelsea here, the young

31:54

couple, 23 and 22, they got

31:56

married shortly after they graduated from

31:58

Citronelle High School. They've been, they were high

32:01

school sweethearts. They got together. They

32:03

don't really have a big plan in life.

32:06

One of their friends said they were kind of spur

32:08

of the moment, fly by the seat of your pants

32:10

kind of people. Yeah.

32:15

You can call us white trash if you'd like, but

32:17

that's what we are. That's, yeah. They

32:20

got to figure something out. We're just living it day by day. Yeah. In

32:23

about four months they're gonna have a baby. So they got to figure

32:25

something out. And they're, they're living at

32:27

her aunt's fucking in

32:31

their aunt's living room, basically. So this is,

32:33

you know, this isn't very, we got

32:35

to get it together. Pull it together, everybody. I've been through

32:37

this. This is a tough time. Yeah. This

32:39

is a tough time in your life. They

32:41

had moved to Fresno, California for jobs in

32:43

the summer of 2015. And

32:46

about after a year, they moved back and then

32:48

here they are. So they had just gotten back

32:50

a couple months ago from California. Feels like weed

32:52

clipping, right? Something like that, maybe,

32:54

yeah, probably. We're gonna go work the

32:56

crop, I guess. Go work the harvest

32:58

when it comes in. So

33:00

when they got back, they used to

33:03

tell everyone, Chelsea's pregnant. So this

33:05

particular day, Friday the 19th, Derek

33:08

has been doing quite a bit of meth for

33:10

a while. I think

33:12

he's probably on a bender from when

33:14

he sold his scrap metal. Because you don't just like,

33:17

you know, you don't go, oh, it's 9.30, I'm gonna

33:19

turn in. I'll smoke more meth in the morning. Like

33:21

you just keep going with that shit if you have

33:23

it. So this night, Lynetta

33:26

is staying at her brother's house. Like

33:28

we said, everybody's there. Joseph Adam Turner,

33:31

Shannon Randall, and the Reeds, and the

33:33

other guy too, Robert Lee Brown. They're all there,

33:35

five people. Jesus

33:38

Christ, oh, and the little baby, two, three. Six

33:40

people, yeah. Three month old, yeah. So

33:42

he is told there, I guess he

33:44

comes over at some point. He

33:48

shows up, Derek does at the home, and he's told, you gotta

33:50

get the fuck out of here. She

33:52

came back, she's still got a black eye from

33:55

two days ago when I picked her up from your house after you

33:57

beat the shit out of her. Get the fuck out of here, right?

34:00

So he says, all right, all right, yeah, yeah, fine, fine,

34:02

fine. Derek leaves. I feel like he's been kicked out of

34:04

quite a few places, right? He

34:06

probably knows how to leave. He knows how to live. One

34:08

thing he knows how to do is turn on his fucking

34:11

heels and head door to door because everywhere,

34:14

movies, restaurants, you

34:16

know, Arby's parking lots, he's been

34:18

kicked out of everywhere. Yeah. He's

34:21

built the tide ship and goes, I

34:23

don't think I'm welcome here. I don't think, you

34:25

know, if I was a suspicious

34:28

person, if I was a paranoid person,

34:30

I'd say, y'all don't want me here.

34:33

I'm not a man who likes

34:35

to stick around where I'm not wanted. That's what I

34:37

mean. So that's what he says. I'm out. I'm out

34:39

of here. I get it. Three hours later,

34:41

he shows back up. Hi.

34:45

Like it never happened. I'm back again. How y'all

34:47

doing now? Yeah. How about after you watched fucking

34:49

Pulp Fiction? Are you, are you, after

34:51

you rented that for Blockbuster in 1994, are you? Yeah.

34:55

Are we good? So he

34:57

shows up and that's when he is told

34:59

in no uncertain terms by, uh, by

35:02

the brother of his girlfriend here. Uh,

35:05

Joseph Adam Turner tells him that not only do you

35:07

have to leave now, you're no longer welcome on my

35:09

property. 86, babe. Ever

35:11

come back. Right. Just like, you know,

35:13

every Taco Bell in the metropolitan mobile

35:16

area, you are not allowed in here.

35:19

Yeah. So get the fuck out. Listen,

35:21

James, and I'll tell you this, that's a temporary

35:23

order too. I've been back to many places. So

35:25

many, so many places. I

35:28

got kicked out of a whole like

35:30

development, like an entire community one time,

35:32

the whole neighborhood. The cops told us,

35:34

he and three of my friends, a

35:36

visitor no more. No, no, no. This

35:38

was the police told us, if you come

35:40

in this area again, I'm going to arrest you

35:42

on site because, yeah, cause well, we were buying

35:44

drugs, but yeah. And

35:48

you know, we were also causing problems

35:50

I'm sure, but still, Yeah,

35:52

that's not right. I've gone back. There was

35:54

not one time that I was told don't

35:57

come back that was undeserved. I Totally deserve

35:59

it. I was only there to buy

36:01

drugs though. I totally get it. But now the

36:03

one of the first things I did like a

36:05

backyard move back home and I was driving around

36:08

was I went to that neighborhood and drove all

36:10

around and like ah that cost of Texas at

36:12

Five fucking dead by now Laugh. My

36:15

ass. Yes it's

36:17

think that the felt really recognize

36:19

the now yeah I feel like

36:22

the urban might have those moments

36:24

himself from so. He comes

36:26

back tells him is no longer welcome and

36:28

sad and says you know what? fuck this

36:30

no longer welcome Adam Paul Mccartney Still how

36:33

balogh let's get the police involved in every

36:35

I thought I would never think for a

36:37

second that they they would like get the

36:39

authorities involved with current system they do. They

36:41

call the police department and they say demons

36:43

on the property and when one here so

36:46

as trespassing they're gonna come get him. So

36:48

the officer showed up at the home by

36:50

the time they got their thou here. he

36:52

took off. Yes,

36:54

So they patrolled the area surrounding the home looking

36:57

for him, but they couldn't. So.

36:59

Hopefully he's been scared off into the night.

37:01

He's like hide in the bushes from topics

37:03

that are in agreement around. looking for battle?

37:06

Make it all away, right? Yeah, Want to

37:08

be on math and have to talk to

37:10

cops? Some if anything. Three. Am

37:12

though he comes back. Third

37:15

time tonight. Was. Timed he is

37:17

very persistent and a real asshole. These I

37:19

feel bad for these. These people are trying

37:21

to have a nice night. you know they

37:24

made a barbecue, some ribs and are now

37:26

they're doing their best and trying to have

37:28

some a nice barbecue, an ipad or with

37:30

I was on the menu. by the way.

37:33

Hamburgers and hot dogs. Are we talking like

37:35

chicken thighs? What are we talking here for

37:37

that wilde southern Alabama since our as a

37:39

groundhog for breakfast. What a meal and airs

37:42

on their mid range day I doubt now.

37:44

So three am Derek comes back. He's super.

37:46

High on meth obviously and

37:48

everybody sleeping in the house.

37:52

Now. Lynette A is this

37:54

is are sleeping in the living room

37:56

see his a in to buy a

37:58

tap on her show older. She

38:02

turns around. The top is as

38:04

Derek is reaching through the living

38:06

room window, tapping on her shoulder.

38:09

There's house. the dreams, blood, says.

38:11

In August in Southern Alabama, the amount

38:13

of mosquitoes in that trailer and that

38:16

house of gotta be. It's more

38:18

mosquito than than would at this point. It's

38:20

just. Awful rates that

38:22

are a window and test somebody like

38:24

that I've raised so she's like what

38:26

the fuck the once and he says

38:29

this is amazing he said i really

38:31

really please don't don't don't gonna freak

38:33

out don't tell everybody of here I

38:36

just want something to drink and a

38:38

cigarette. So.

38:40

I came all the way here I live

38:42

in Mississippi mind you I came all we

38:44

hear a tap on his shoulder states away

38:46

for as it's a so he he sees

38:48

said you gonna leave dude that's now and

38:50

not given his cigarette the drink it's fuck

38:53

outta here so he got pissed off at

38:55

that point you know rightfully so Obviously you

38:57

know your wake people up there are a

38:59

window at three in the morning and I

39:01

have a cigarette for yes this on and

39:03

Arizona iced tea and a cigarette man sees

39:05

as so and it's not can still it's

39:08

the jugs they got this. So.

39:11

A C said now I'm not going outside,

39:13

I'm not dealing with you. Fuck off and

39:15

see roll back over with sleep again. Seat.

39:18

And when to shut? Yeah, that's it.

39:20

So that's how it goes. So he.

39:23

Wow. Since he decides

39:25

what's I do now, well, I'll go

39:27

to the sliding glass door in the

39:29

back or break into them. Are

39:33

on the front of the house. I'm sorry. so they were

39:35

locked. He. Retrieved

39:37

and acts from the front yard. Okay.

39:40

came in those sliding glass doors a

39:42

pretty easy to pop and some tells

39:44

me a guy Tim who's been on

39:46

math for fifteen years now has knows

39:48

had a pop open a sliding glass

39:50

door to steal set for life as

39:52

tracks. He knows so he does that.

39:54

and then he comes into the house

39:57

with an axe. He

39:59

every every. That old sleep and by the way,

40:01

no one sees a no one knows he's there. He's.

40:04

Oh my gosh, he's standing over the sleeping

40:06

people with an axe and his hand. At

40:08

three thirty in the morning, I en masse.

40:11

Like it. Is about gonna

40:13

go so bad right? to fucking Horrible.

40:15

He takes the axe and the first

40:18

person he sees as Robert Lee Brown

40:20

who is friend the guy who came

40:22

over. He's asleep in the recliner in

40:25

the living room just inside the door

40:27

the house he. Saw.

40:29

No other way to put it. acts

40:32

as hims multiple times and the had

40:34

just starts axeing this guy in the

40:36

have clearly moment to cleave the fuck

40:38

outta this guy with an axe. Okay

40:40

twenty six year old Robert Lee Brown.

40:42

now Lynette It is asleep on an

40:44

air mattress there in the living room.

40:47

And like us advices got the air

40:49

mattress and. We. Always say

40:51

the air mattress is a fine start

40:54

again especially when your math addicted spoken

40:56

to significant other is trying to be

40:58

the scenario so she's asleep. their heat

41:01

she never seen here. the axe attack.

41:03

This. Guy was sleeping and he just be

41:06

axed him up and she stays asleep.

41:09

So. He then

41:11

walks down the hills, leaves her sleep.

41:14

To walk faster, walk down the

41:16

hallway into a bedroom that was

41:18

occupied by. When. That his brother.

41:21

And. Yeah, turn on

41:23

Randall and their three month old

41:25

baby. Or and on know what?

41:27

He takes the axe. And

41:29

first person he goes after his turner. the

41:32

brother is he the one is he's probably

41:34

the most mad at and he multiple times

41:36

strikes him in the head with the axe.

41:39

Okay, then he Randall

41:41

wakes up. What? The fox

41:43

is holding the baby by the way, she wakes

41:45

up so he starts attacking her with the acts

41:47

in the head. Of both and walks

41:50

walks away from them. Doesn't.

41:52

Act the baby. Then

41:55

he goes and finds. a

41:58

does that so then he He goes

42:00

into another bedroom, it's a two

42:02

bedroom, where he finds Chelsea and

42:04

Justin Reed. Oh, God damn it. Pregnant

42:07

Chelsea and Justin Reed here. He

42:10

I guess Chelsea awoke from all

42:12

of this and was

42:15

like, what's going on? So he attacks

42:18

her multiple axe shots to the head.

42:21

Multiple axe blows to the head. Then

42:23

turns to Justin. Justin

42:26

had pulled a gun out. Atta

42:28

boy. Justin's got a gun, but he

42:30

turns around and whacks him in the head with the

42:32

axe and keeps coming at him and then wrestles the

42:34

gun away from him. You

42:37

gotta use it, man. So now he's got a

42:39

pistol and an axe. This

42:42

is fucking horrible. So both

42:44

Chelsea and Justin, everybody too, Brown in

42:47

the living room, Randall Lee, they're all

42:49

not Randall Lee, what's his name? I

42:52

was Brown, Justin Lee. Robert Lee

42:54

Brown. Robert Lee Brown. I want

42:56

to get it right. They're attacked by an axe,

42:58

for Christ's sake. So

43:00

none of them are dead. Everybody's

43:03

alive even though they've got a truck in the head with axes. They're

43:07

all still alive and in pain. So next

43:09

he goes down, takes the gun from

43:11

Justin, and he shoots

43:13

Chelsea. Starts

43:15

firing shots at her. Then he starts firing shots

43:17

at Justin as well. Then

43:20

he goes into the next room and

43:22

shoots Turner as well, the brother. He's

43:25

out of ammo though. What's

43:27

the fella to do? Well,

43:30

you pick up the nearest shotgun. There's

43:33

a shotgun in the house too. So

43:35

he takes the shotgun and shoots fucking Randall

43:37

in the back of the head while she's

43:41

still laying with holding the baby. Baby's

43:45

unharmed, completely fine. Not

43:47

a pellet hits the baby. That's pretty

43:49

amazing. Uninjured. That's three months old. It

43:52

doesn't know what's going on. It

43:54

doesn't know if it's time to eat. That's

43:57

all they know. They don't know shit. So

43:59

he then comes back. to the living room

44:01

where Randall Lee Brown is writhing from his

44:03

axe wounds and he shoots him

44:05

in the head too. Now,

44:08

Lynetta is sitting in the living

44:10

room now, the gunshots woke her up, she's

44:12

like, what the fuck? Now he's standing there

44:14

covered in fucking blood. I mean, head

44:17

to toe horror movie with

44:19

an axe in one hand and a shotgun in the

44:22

other. Menacing ass weapons.

44:24

And this guy's got no head on the recliner over

44:26

on the side of the chair, and you know you

44:28

heard all these shots and you know your brother and

44:30

his wife and all your friends are down there too.

44:33

Oh my. This is horrifying. It's

44:36

fucking horrifying. So Derek

44:38

then takes the keys to Randall's

44:41

car, grabs her keys, grabs

44:45

Lynetta, says you're fucking coming with me,

44:48

doesn't kill her. Also

44:50

goes, grabs the baby. We're taking this with

44:52

us too. Oh boy. Me, you

44:54

and the baby. We're starting over. That's it.

44:56

This is our baby. We're going to Mexico.

44:59

Fucked up raising Arizona ever. It's way

45:01

worse. Way worse. Way, way worse. This

45:03

is awful. Jesus Christ. And the lady

45:06

that was on the couch, is she

45:08

still there? That's his

45:10

girlfriend, Lynetta. Oh, okay. She's the

45:12

one who got the tap on the arm.

45:14

She's on an air mattress in the living

45:16

room. So, holy shit. Now,

45:19

Brown is dead. Robert

45:22

Lee Brown is dead by the front door.

45:24

The Reeds are in the second bedroom and

45:26

everybody, Turner and Randall are in the back

45:28

bedroom. Everybody's dead as shit now. They're all

45:30

fucked. So

45:33

now they take off. Him

45:35

in the stolen car with

45:37

his estranged running away from

45:39

him, ex-girlfriend and a baby.

45:41

That's not even either of theirs. He

45:44

goes to his sister's house in Leakesville,

45:46

Mississippi. Yeah. Okay.

45:49

They stop there. You know, just stop over.

45:52

Hey, how you doing? Just wanted to come by

45:54

for a cup of coffee here. Yeah. This

45:56

isn't known for the most logical.

46:00

behavior but this is what are you gonna do

46:02

man? Your linear thinking tends to be off when

46:04

you're going. Where are you going? There's

46:06

no plan that's the thing he went over he went

46:09

over to get a cigarette and a drink and ended

46:11

up doing this so there was never a plan for

46:13

this to happen and escape this is not he's just

46:15

like give me a cigarette and a drink no well

46:17

I'll break in and fuck all these people yeah so

46:21

maybe he's not killed him not fuck them

46:23

actually. Now those five bodies you need a

46:25

shower and you're in a lot of trouble.

46:27

Yeah five bodies and a five-month-old baby

46:29

too. That are five-month-old in the

46:31

womb baby that's trying to have

46:34

so it's all things

46:36

obviously horrible so he leaves

46:38

his sister's house stops at

46:41

a friend's parents house and

46:44

says take this baby here

46:47

watch this baby for they know he doesn't

46:49

have a baby. If your friends if your

46:51

son's friends meth

46:56

head if your son's meth head friend shows up

46:58

with a baby that you know is not his and

47:01

says hold on to this for a while I'm

47:03

calling the cops immediately right now right now they just

47:05

were like all right well pick it up whenever.

47:07

Oh boy cutie

47:11

okay so that's

47:13

insane drops the baby

47:15

off then takes

47:17

Lynetta to the friend

47:20

to his friend's trailer to go to sleep because

47:22

he's got a company's coming down now once

47:25

they wake up okay they

47:27

wake up they go back

47:29

to that friend's parents house to pick

47:31

up the baby thanks for

47:34

watching her while we watching him while we slept

47:36

then he goes then he goes to his

47:39

dad's house going to

47:41

dad's house so while they're

47:43

there Dearman gets out of the car and

47:45

goes up to his dad's house okay leaves

47:47

her in the car while

47:50

he's not looking she jumps in the driver's

47:52

seat of the car throws

47:54

it and fucking reversed and takes off peeling

47:56

off like the dukes of hazard with giant

47:58

dirt clouds behind her She's got the

48:00

baby? Got the baby in the car. Oh

48:02

boy. Takes off, heads right

48:05

to the Citronel Police Department. Okay.

48:07

With the baby, shows up there.

48:09

And what a story does she have

48:11

to tell? She shows up walking in

48:13

haggard looking like fucking Linda Hamilton from

48:15

Terminator, but with a baby in her

48:17

arms. Just like, uh. Every cop sit

48:19

around crisscross applesauce, I got something to

48:21

tell you. Wow, do I have a

48:23

fucking tale for you. So

48:28

they turn up there, she tells the officers what

48:30

happened. His father convinces him

48:32

to turn himself in, Derek. His father's

48:34

like, they take off and the father's

48:36

like, what happened? He's like, oh boy, let me tell

48:38

you. Shot a bunch of people,

48:40

killed them, kidnapped them, a baby,

48:43

she took off with the car. So

48:45

he heads to the local police station.

48:48

Father convinces him. What

48:50

do I do, I don't know, cops? Something

48:53

not here. Somewhere, I'm thinking

48:55

something away from my house, probably. Off

48:58

the property is going to be the solution to this. I

49:01

draw the treasure map. There's an act far away

49:03

from my house. As a dad, you got to

49:05

convince him that the cops is the safe bet,

49:07

right? For him, for his safety. Who

49:09

knows, the whole clan could come after him at this point.

49:11

Like the whole family could come out of the hills. We

49:14

have no idea. Or I think he's just

49:17

convincing him that what you did was terrible and... So

49:20

his dad drives him to the Greene

49:23

County Police Department where

49:25

he sort of turns

49:27

himself in. He

49:29

goes in, he goes, I want to turn myself in. And

49:31

they go, well, for what? And he goes, for not paying

49:33

child support. And

49:36

they look through their shit, their computer or

49:38

whatever they got down there. And

49:41

I don't know what they're

49:43

doing. Speaking spell or whatever.

49:46

And... They look at the books. Yeah. The

49:49

written on books. The top support. Greene

49:52

County, Mississippi. I don't know what they're doing down

49:54

there. So they

49:57

say to him, there's no... We

50:00

don't have a warrant for you for that. Your dudes

50:02

are paid. You're good, dude. I'm sure they're not, but

50:04

just the ex didn't turn him in because she probably

50:06

doesn't want him to come stonk her now. So

50:09

then the father says, you got to

50:11

tell him what you actually did, son. So

50:14

he does. He tells the officers and

50:17

he says this. This is his explanation.

50:20

When he says her, he means Lynetta in

50:22

this, his girlfriend. He said, quote, through all

50:24

this, I truly thought everybody was trying to

50:26

kidnap and hurt her. After

50:28

everything, I told my girlfriend to grab the baby and

50:30

get in the car. She did

50:32

so out of fear of me. He

50:35

said I was on a lot of meth and I was

50:37

delusional. I didn't know what the hell I, he said, I

50:39

honestly thought they were kidnapping and holding her hostage and hurting

50:41

her, which, come on, dude, you were asking

50:43

for cigarettes. Give me a break. She

50:45

jumped in the car because she saw you murder people.

50:48

Yeah. She was terrified because obviously

50:50

he's capable of it. Then he said,

50:52

quote, if I can't have her, nobody, they couldn't have

50:54

her either. That's what he said. Oh,

50:57

boy. Classic. It's a

50:59

classic one. The Mobile

51:01

County Sheriff's Captain, Paul Birch,

51:03

said, quote, it's unprecedented here.

51:07

We're breaking records, everybody. Come on down.

51:11

He said that this was,

51:13

experts would term this overkill,

51:16

excessive violence. He called

51:18

it obviously horrific. He

51:20

said they were down for the night sleeping

51:22

and he had enough familiarity with the house

51:24

when he entered, I guess you could say,

51:26

in a rage and he's disabling people as

51:28

he's in there. He was able

51:30

to overpower them before they were able, they were

51:33

able to protect themselves. What a

51:35

sterile thing to say. That's really, yeah,

51:37

not just like, holy shit. Did you,

51:39

what the, there's fucking brains everywhere, man.

51:42

Burn this house. He didn't yank the

51:45

fucking positive cable off their

51:47

batteries. He pulled a spark plug. That's

51:49

what he did. He caved fucking heads

51:52

in, officer. Yeah. So,

51:55

he caved

51:57

heads and then was like, not good enough. Now,

52:00

the district attorney said in her 20-year career,

52:02

she's never encountered a crime where there was

52:04

five people who were brutally and viciously murdered,

52:07

and that's what we have here. So,

52:11

August 23, 2006, now this is three

52:13

days after this whole mess happens, or

52:15

two days after, he's being

52:17

escorted to the jail from a court hearing

52:19

here, from his arraignment or whatever, and

52:22

the press is there, he

52:24

stops and has a chitchat with the fucking press.

52:27

What's he say? Hey, let him stop in the

52:29

parking lot. I'll show the picture on social media

52:31

because he's surrounded by people with cameras and mics

52:33

and he's just standing there like he just, you

52:35

know, you know, you just won

52:37

the powerball. What are you going to do with it all?

52:39

He's like, well, you know, I'm going to pay off my

52:42

house, first of all. I mean, that's been bothering me. He

52:44

hit the half-port shot at the fucking thunder game. It's

52:46

so strange. So, yeah, he said he

52:49

was high on meth, and

52:51

he said, quote, drugs were making me

52:53

think things that were not really,

52:55

think things that's not really there.

52:59

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53:01

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53:03

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55:42

said that I came down and realized, once

55:44

he came down, he said I realized what

55:46

was really going on. I turned myself in

55:48

because I was sober and knew what was

55:50

the right thing to do. Holy

55:54

shit. He also then expressed

55:56

his love for Lynetta. I love you,

55:58

Lynetta. And then said... said to all

56:00

the family members, quote,

56:03

don't do drugs. Don't

56:05

do drugs. You'll

56:08

murder everybody. It's just normal.

56:11

Don't do drugs is the, that's the

56:13

fucking lesson here that he's trying to- You know

56:15

you guys, that egg frying really doesn't

56:18

stick, but I'll tell you what to- Yeah.

56:21

This shits brains on her bedroom wall. What

56:23

do you think of that? The inside of

56:25

a young man's head. That'll

56:28

do it. And then they said, well, what do you think

56:30

should happen to you? And he said, I deserve to die

56:32

as he was led away. Yeah. Okay.

56:35

The injuries here, the Dr. Stacy

56:37

Turner of the Alabama Department of

56:39

Forensic Sciences, which- Oh, she's got

56:41

to tell us. Yeah. She

56:43

performed the autopsies on three of the victims

56:46

and certified the autopsies of the other two.

56:48

He said all five- He was castrated a pig that

56:50

day. I was going to say, yeah, she also just

56:53

got done milking a cow earlier and taking

56:56

down a sorghum field. So she's got a lot going

56:58

on right now. Lot

57:00

going on. Yeah. I

57:03

don't know why, and I apologize, Alabama, but

57:06

when I read Alabama Department of Forensic Sciences,

57:08

I was like, come on. That's

57:11

a joke. That's a joke.

57:13

I make fun of New York worse, so shut the fuck up. I don't want to

57:15

hear it. Fishkill, New York. They

57:18

can sweat them. Pop

57:21

the balls off a pig this morning. Oh,

57:26

my God. So

57:28

they said despite the fact that all the people

57:31

were wounded after the attacks with

57:33

the axes and in great pain, the victims

57:35

continued to resist his attacks, like Justin tried

57:37

to defend himself with a handgun, but he

57:40

was able to wrestle it away. It's a

57:42

45, by the way. Quite a good boy.

57:44

Good price. That's your big boy. That's

57:46

who he's shooting people with. That's a big fucking gun. Wow.

57:50

Used it to shoot him and three of the

57:52

others, and then he picked up the 12-gauge shotgun

57:54

he found in the home and shot Randall with

57:56

that, and then Brown, too. Wow. So

57:59

immediately, this house ... becomes a

58:01

tourism spot. Immediately.

58:05

Two days later there's just crowds of people taking

58:07

pictures in front of it and you know all

58:10

that kind of shit and they said that they've

58:12

been cut to secluded area you're only coming out

58:14

to this house to go to the house and

58:16

one neighbor said you've got 10 to 15 people

58:19

a day trying to come in for sightseeing and

58:22

this neighbor said that the what makes the

58:24

extra car and foot traffic strange is that

58:27

some people have brought children to see the

58:29

home yeah and he said why

58:31

would anybody want to bring a young into

58:33

a crime scene that's exactly we ain't got

58:35

no sitter sir because the

58:37

Wi-Fi is down that's why you

58:40

can't get wah wah wubsy to go

58:43

hot no so two weeks after the

58:45

murder the house burns down what

58:47

the house burns to the fucking

58:50

ground okay on purpose right the

58:52

detective they had gotten all the evidence they

58:54

needed out of it first but

58:57

the volunteer fire department was called to the

58:59

place it burned down and the sheriff's department

59:02

said they got a tip from someone

59:04

in the community that about

59:06

the fire before it happened heard

59:08

that house is about to burn

59:10

that house I'll tell you I don't know

59:13

about that wiring I'll tell you what man

59:15

so a relative of the owner of the home gave

59:17

a news

59:22

outlet the chance to photograph the video

59:24

and video the burned down home and

59:27

they said quote they said

59:29

hopefully having having the disintegrated

59:31

home and the pictures out there in the

59:33

media will prevent people from coming here now

59:36

I think they burned it it's

59:38

all it's a win-win you burn it down

59:40

you get insurance no one comes here anymore

59:42

and it's all to the earth of this

59:45

thing okay other people still come they

59:47

probably do just look at the spot he says

59:50

quote they were treating it like the Manson house

59:52

or something people just need to

59:54

stop and think about the fact that this whole neighborhood

59:56

is just been rocked so

59:58

another neighbor said, having no

1:00:00

idea what went on in that house, don't you

1:00:03

all think our nerves are fried? Every time I

1:00:05

see, every time something goes bump in the night,

1:00:07

I'm running. So

1:00:10

they relative said they didn't know who burned the house

1:00:12

down, but they're relieved to have it burned down. That's

1:00:14

what they said. Could it

1:00:16

be more obvious that this was burned down on purpose?

1:00:18

Yeah, I don't know why it burned down. I don't

1:00:21

know how it burned down, but I'm so goddamn glad

1:00:23

it is. Oh boy. They said it's a blessing that

1:00:25

it went up and I don't know who did it

1:00:27

or why they did it, but it's gone. I

1:00:30

wonder. So he has

1:00:32

court appointed attorneys, Derek, as he pleads

1:00:34

not guilty. Then a week later,

1:00:36

he fires his attorneys and says, I want to plead

1:00:38

guilty. It changed my mind. Oh. So

1:00:41

he does that. He goes to this arraignment

1:00:43

to see if he's allowed to do that.

1:00:45

He writes a handwritten letter to the court

1:00:48

indicating that I want

1:00:50

to do that and to be able to do that

1:00:52

and to be able to basically proceed

1:00:54

pro se, your own lawyer,

1:00:56

pro pero, whatever the fuck

1:00:58

it is. They

1:01:01

have to do a mental evaluation on you to

1:01:03

make sure you're not just saying you're guilty because

1:01:05

you're insane. You're like, I'm guilty. I also fucking

1:01:08

killed Abraham Lincoln. You never know. So

1:01:10

they do that. They ask, it's what he wants,

1:01:13

that he meets with the court without

1:01:15

a lawyer and they found that

1:01:17

he had knowingly, freely, intelligently, involuntarily

1:01:19

waived his right to assistance of

1:01:22

counsel. They do appoint

1:01:24

advisory counsel to be present and available to assist

1:01:26

him because he can't just sit there by himself.

1:01:28

He doesn't know what the fuck to say. He's

1:01:31

a fucking meth head. He has

1:01:33

no idea what he's doing. So the

1:01:35

district attorney says all this shit about

1:01:38

what he did, the whole thing, he

1:01:40

killed these people, it's brutal, cold blooded,

1:01:42

blah, blah, blah. His response is, quote,

1:01:44

everything the district attorney has said is

1:01:47

true. Okay.

1:01:51

You're bad at this, man. Not good. Not a

1:01:53

good lawyer. Not a good lawyer. There's lawyers. No,

1:01:55

no, the opposite of that. victim

1:02:00

in the recliner. His father

1:02:02

said he's already forgiven. Derek.

1:02:04

Wow! What a nice

1:02:08

man. Imagine how nice he is if you're nice to

1:02:10

him. You kill your son and he's nice to you.

1:02:12

Imagine if you like bring over a six-pack.

1:02:14

Holy shit! He's gonna do anything for

1:02:16

you. He said, I can't bring

1:02:19

my son back. I forgive this guy because

1:02:21

he don't know no better. I feel for

1:02:23

his family. What a

1:02:25

sweet young old man. What a nice

1:02:27

man. That's incredible. I can't imagine.

1:02:29

I don't even know how a person can get to

1:02:31

that but I'm jealous of it to be able to

1:02:33

do it because I can't. I'd be like I'll kill

1:02:35

him and the rest of his family too. Yes. So

1:02:39

in jail here he

1:02:41

said that he's talking and he said, quote,

1:02:44

I am guilty plain and simple. I turn

1:02:46

myself in and I want to plead guilty.

1:02:48

Once I got moved over to County and

1:02:50

spent a week down there sleeping every day,

1:02:52

my mind is coming back to me a

1:02:54

little bit more, a little bit more, a

1:02:56

little bit more. I was just in shock.

1:02:58

I couldn't comprehend the magnitude of what happened

1:03:00

because those people were good people. They're

1:03:03

just nice people that he killed that were trying to protect

1:03:05

his sister from being beaten. Fascinating, fascinating

1:03:08

choices he makes. Fuck yeah. This is

1:03:10

why it's episode 500. We had to

1:03:12

pack in a lot of murder into

1:03:14

this. Now, you know, as I get

1:03:16

better and better sleep, I'm tending to

1:03:18

figure I'm really a dick. Less meth,

1:03:20

more sleep really does something to the

1:03:22

brain. I'll tell you what. Stay up

1:03:24

too long. You start saying and seeing

1:03:26

some weird shit. Real weird stuff. I

1:03:28

don't know what's going on. Now

1:03:31

under Alabama law, even if you plead

1:03:33

guilty to capital murder, there must be

1:03:35

a trial also. Oh. They

1:03:37

must have a trial even if you plead guilty.

1:03:39

So you're already pleaded guilty but they have to

1:03:42

make sure that you're not just

1:03:44

a crazy person pleading guilty because

1:03:46

this is a death penalty case.

1:03:48

So obviously he killed five people

1:03:50

and an unborn baby. So yeah.

1:03:52

And so his, the only defense

1:03:54

they really have for him is

1:03:56

too much meth, just too much.

1:03:59

Really? Yeah, they said that they

1:04:01

did intellect. He's got an IQ of

1:04:03

96 in his intellectual functioning in the

1:04:05

average range. He's an average

1:04:07

guy. He

1:04:09

can make a plan and carry it. That's

1:04:12

totally dead average. Is it really?

1:04:15

Absolutely. They saw a thing of different

1:04:17

IQs in different states. Pretty much

1:04:19

100 is dead average. Really?

1:04:21

Everybody's around 100. Some are 102 and some

1:04:23

are 97. Is

1:04:26

there reliable online tests I can take to see

1:04:28

if I'm dumb? Absolutely.

1:04:30

There's good IQ tests out there. You should check

1:04:32

it out. Let's see how

1:04:34

dumb we are. It's

1:04:37

really embarrassing. So

1:04:39

they say he's fine. He can make a plan and carry it.

1:04:41

He can say, I'm going to go to the gas station, then

1:04:43

go to the grocery store and get these items and then do

1:04:45

it and return home with things. So he's

1:04:48

a competent man. Now the

1:04:50

verdict comes in. Not much for

1:04:52

the jury to decide. They say he did all

1:04:54

this terrible shit and he's like, I totally

1:04:56

did that, man. Yep, it was terrible. Okay. I

1:04:59

was on a lot of meth and I did it. So guilt

1:05:01

or innocence is not really in play. It's

1:05:03

just the sentencing that's going to be really

1:05:06

the thing, whether it's going to be a

1:05:08

death penalty or life. So they find him

1:05:10

guilty on 10 counts of capital murder. Yeah.

1:05:15

It's a weird thing that they double charge

1:05:17

you on certain shit. Oh,

1:05:19

maybe because of the acts and then a shotgun,

1:05:21

acts and then a gun, maybe that's it? Possibly,

1:05:24

yeah. So it's a weird little quirk of the law,

1:05:26

but we'll find out that it shouldn't be there anyway.

1:05:29

So during sentencing, they said the

1:05:31

judge noted that he

1:05:33

saw the reports for psychological evaluations

1:05:36

and he asked Deerman about his

1:05:38

request for his attorneys not to

1:05:40

enter any mitigation evidence

1:05:43

during the sentencing. And Deerman

1:05:45

said he didn't want to use his religion

1:05:47

as a crutch or require his family to

1:05:49

be put out and have to go on

1:05:51

the stand and testify. I don't want to

1:05:54

be a burden on nobody. So that's wild. I'll

1:05:57

just take the death penalty. He

1:06:00

felt that this decision was best for him

1:06:02

and his family regardless of the outcome. He

1:06:04

understands that could be the death penalty, so that's fine.

1:06:08

The court says the lawyer, the advisory

1:06:10

attorney, has to put on some mitigation

1:06:12

form. We can't just railroad this guy

1:06:14

through. On appeals, that's not going to

1:06:16

look good. The argument

1:06:19

is intoxication negated his ability to form

1:06:21

the intent to commit the murders. That's

1:06:24

basically what it is. They

1:06:26

talked to a couple people. One lady he knows

1:06:28

that worked at a gas station that night, she

1:06:31

said that he did not look

1:06:33

the same as he normally did that night and that

1:06:35

his eyes were, quote, sunk in. Meth bingy.

1:06:40

And also he was acting antsy and

1:06:42

kind of hyper. He just

1:06:44

described a meth addict perfectly. So

1:06:47

yeah, they did that. They talked to other people. He

1:06:52

doesn't even believe in this. They

1:06:55

also talked to the person he

1:06:57

dropped the baby off to the next morning and that

1:06:59

person said he seemed fine, didn't look high at all.

1:07:02

But they also didn't ask questions about where a

1:07:05

fucking strange baby came from either. Why

1:07:08

do you now have a baby? Who would give you a baby at

1:07:10

eight in the morning? Are you kidding me? So

1:07:13

yeah, that's insane. So he admitted

1:07:15

to using the axe to injure the

1:07:17

people and shoot them. The prosecutor said,

1:07:20

in this case, I know

1:07:22

that Deerman has done something unusual. He has

1:07:24

represented himself. And in this case, you know

1:07:26

as to why I can argue why. So

1:07:28

you could see him in another setting so

1:07:31

that you could feel sorry for him because

1:07:33

everyone feels sorry for lawyers. That's the most ... You

1:07:36

couldn't get a more sympathetic group out

1:07:38

there than lawyers. There's not a

1:07:40

million jokes about them all drowning in the ocean at the

1:07:42

same time or anything. They all

1:07:45

have giant houses undeservedly so. That's

1:07:48

what I mean. There's jokes about Bundy at Ted

1:07:50

Bundy at the time where it's like, it's one thing if

1:07:52

you're going to be a serial killer but now he's a

1:07:54

fucking lawyer too? No. Fucking execute

1:07:56

this man. There was jokes about it. I

1:07:58

heard them when I was a kid. So

1:08:01

they said you could see him in another

1:08:03

setting, feel sorry for him, so that you

1:08:05

could empathize with him, so that he would

1:08:08

seem real to you. He is real, but

1:08:10

what he did far outweighs anything else in

1:08:12

this case. What he did was real, and

1:08:14

what he did was heinous, atrocious, and cruel.

1:08:16

What he did is deserving of the death

1:08:18

penalty. Give him that. So

1:08:22

they said there's two aggravating factors the

1:08:24

jury finds, that the capital murders were

1:08:26

committed during the course of burglary, because

1:08:28

he took shit about a baby in a car

1:08:31

and a shotgun and an axe. About a baby? He

1:08:34

just took a baby, straight took a baby. And

1:08:36

that he intentionally caused the death of

1:08:39

two or more persons by one act

1:08:41

or pursuant to one scheme or course

1:08:43

of conduct, which is considered an aggravator.

1:08:45

Additionally, they found that the crimes were

1:08:48

especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel compared to

1:08:50

other capital offenses. He

1:08:54

told the jury that, yes, I put

1:08:56

on this mitigating evidence, but don't listen

1:08:58

to that. He

1:09:00

doesn't have any real significant prior

1:09:02

criminal history. I found a speeding,

1:09:05

like going 75 and a 50,

1:09:08

and then some other shit that I don't know what the

1:09:10

code for it was. I couldn't figure it out. But that

1:09:13

was like 2008, 2009. Seems

1:09:18

like there's a lot of reasons to arrest him, but not

1:09:21

really. So the mitigating

1:09:23

circumstances they find are that he

1:09:26

has no significant prior criminal history.

1:09:28

He generally follows the law. Never

1:09:30

been like in jail for armed

1:09:32

robbery or attempted murder or anything.

1:09:34

They also find non-statutory mitigating circumstances

1:09:36

that Deerman accepted responsibility for his

1:09:39

conduct. He is the most, I

1:09:42

did, you know, my bad guy I've ever seen

1:09:44

in a murder. Yeah,

1:09:48

he gets the prosecution says all those terrible things

1:09:50

and you go, I can't argue with one word

1:09:52

of that. I'll do better. No,

1:09:55

I won't kill me. That's just saying. You

1:09:57

all should kill me because this is as good as I can do. I

1:10:00

can't do much better. Nope. Also

1:10:03

that he expressed regret and sympathy

1:10:05

to the victims' families. However, the

1:10:07

court determined any mitigating evidence regarding

1:10:09

Dierman's childhood would be outweighed by

1:10:11

his history recorded in the mental

1:10:13

health records. They said

1:10:15

that no evidence of Dierman's record or character

1:10:18

prior to his admissions of guilt for these

1:10:20

crimes constitutes a mitigating factor. During

1:10:22

the defense presentation in the penalty phase, his

1:10:25

dad took the stand. He was all put out

1:10:27

here. He said, I take

1:10:29

full responsibility for how my son was raised.

1:10:33

This is just a responsibility-taking family, boy.

1:10:37

They're not on meth. Several other family

1:10:39

members spoke mostly about his years growing up,

1:10:41

making reference to him getting involved with drugs

1:10:43

from a young age. He

1:10:45

testifies himself, Derek, and he said, the state

1:10:48

presented evidence and there's nothing I can do

1:10:50

to make it right. It doesn't mean I

1:10:52

don't try. I put my mitigation on behalf

1:10:54

of my family. I'm only doing this for

1:10:56

them, is what he said. The

1:10:58

judge said, quote, it clearly

1:11:01

appeared the defendant does have

1:11:03

such rational understandings. His

1:11:05

answers to the court's questions were responsive and

1:11:07

his understanding of trial proceedings

1:11:09

was above normal. Eye contact was

1:11:12

maintained during questioning and nothing regarding

1:11:14

his appearance or actions was abnormal.

1:11:17

They said, you're not crazy. There

1:11:20

is no drug use to mitigate these murders,

1:11:22

even if you did it. He said, those

1:11:24

mitigating factors were found not to exist. After

1:11:27

the axe attack took place,

1:11:29

Diermann then callously shot each

1:11:31

victim. Then

1:11:33

you, sir, may fuck off

1:11:35

10 death sentences.

1:11:39

All 10. You

1:11:41

and all your friends. That's a lot to hand

1:11:43

out. Almost

1:11:46

a hard dozen. Yeah. We're going

1:11:48

to warm that chair up times 10 and just do

1:11:50

it once and explode your little ass.

1:11:52

Just keep doing it until you're a pile

1:11:54

of ashes. Like a cartoon. And

1:11:57

there's one. There we go. Fire

1:12:00

them back up again. Wait. Well, wait for the smoldering to

1:12:02

stop and then do it. That's what

1:12:04

they're gonna do. So profiting off the murder is

1:12:06

something also. After the sentence is handed down, the

1:12:08

DA asks the judge to prevent

1:12:11

Deerman and his family from profiting from his

1:12:13

story by signing movie TV shows or any

1:12:15

kind of book deal. The

1:12:18

judge agrees to that request in

1:12:20

principle, but he said he would need a motion

1:12:22

written up at a later date and, you know,

1:12:25

he has the right to object, which Deerman then

1:12:27

shouted out, I have no objections to that request.

1:12:30

I'm good. Then

1:12:33

he turned around looked at his dad. His dad put up

1:12:35

a closed fist like, you know, you do it and he

1:12:37

gave him. He gave him one

1:12:40

back like yeah, we ain't selling shit,

1:12:42

dad. Kill my son. Atta

1:12:45

boy. So he speaks

1:12:47

after the sentence, the press talks to him on

1:12:50

the way out again, and he says quote, They

1:12:52

knew that I wasn't in my right mind. They

1:12:54

knew that the sober me would have never done

1:12:56

those horrible things. I wasn't even gonna litigate my

1:12:59

conviction, but I allowed my family to get up

1:13:01

there and plead and plead the courts, you

1:13:03

know, for to not seek the death penalty.

1:13:06

Yeah, so he appeals in 2022 and he does get a

1:13:08

small victory. They

1:13:12

got they gotta take some of those death sentences

1:13:14

away, right? They take they take away some of

1:13:16

these. Four, they said

1:13:18

four of the five convictions, he argued that

1:13:21

four of the five convictions violate the double

1:13:23

jeopardy principles, which prevent a defendant from being

1:13:25

tried and convicted on multiple counts of capital

1:13:27

murder when they involve the same victim. The

1:13:30

court concluded that on all remaining counts, the

1:13:32

death penalty was the proper sentence in this

1:13:34

case. So they do strike down four

1:13:37

of the capital murder sentences and charges.

1:13:39

They still got six to go. They're

1:13:41

gonna die six times. That's all. 2024

1:13:45

in February, they there's an appeal.

1:13:47

So it's this year. He claimed he's not

1:13:49

competent to plead guilty is the thing that

1:13:52

he wasn't competent to do any of that

1:13:54

stuff. He alleges the trial courts failure to hold

1:13:57

a competency hearing because they tried he tried

1:13:59

to get a competency hearing and they wouldn't give him

1:14:01

one. They just had him

1:14:03

interviewed. Was there another, does he want

1:14:05

a new trial? Well,

1:14:07

I don't know what he wants here. I don't know, you're

1:14:09

not going to get a new trial. That's ridiculous. Yeah, maybe

1:14:11

if you can get it knocked down to life without, I

1:14:13

guess. I don't know what he's trying to do here. So

1:14:17

he argues that the findings of one of

1:14:19

the doctors that he was not competent to

1:14:21

span trial provide exactly the reasonable grounds for

1:14:23

this particular appeal. One

1:14:27

doctor, though the state doctor, says that he

1:14:29

was not experiencing symptoms of a severe mental

1:14:31

disorder at the time of his crimes. Although

1:14:33

he was abusing methamphetamine, he appears to have

1:14:35

been aware of his actions and their effect

1:14:37

on the victims and have been able to

1:14:39

discern the wrongfulness of his behavior, which

1:14:42

is the legal threshold for

1:14:44

crazy or not here. Another

1:14:49

one here, Dr. Alicia Ellis Cox

1:14:51

performed a psychiatric evaluation. She

1:14:54

stated that Dierman presented symptoms that were

1:14:56

indicative of bipolar disorder, PTSD,

1:14:58

and polysubstance use disorder

1:15:01

and remission. There's

1:15:04

something between his ears that's wrong, regardless

1:15:06

of the drugs and substances he's on.

1:15:10

He's fucked up. He's fucked up in the head, for

1:15:12

sure. So they said also diagnosed him with attention deficit

1:15:14

hyperactivity disorder, mild

1:15:16

neurocognitive disorder, the criteria for which

1:15:19

is met when an individual exhibits

1:15:21

evidence of modest cognitive decline

1:15:24

from a previous level of performance

1:15:26

in one or more cognitive domains

1:15:29

that does not interfere with capacity

1:15:31

for independent functioning, also stimulant use

1:15:33

disorder and unspecified depressive disorder. So

1:15:38

they said, another shrink said to summarize,

1:15:40

Mr. Dierman knows the charges against him,

1:15:42

the roles of the participants in trial

1:15:44

and the plea bargain process. Actually

1:15:46

he understands everything, so he

1:15:48

should have done that. Well then they also

1:15:50

say that the prosecutor asked improper jury

1:15:53

questions here, which they

1:15:56

do a lot of times. That happens a lot. They said that

1:15:58

they... used the comments

1:16:01

about his choice to represent himself. They

1:16:03

made comments about that and they weren't allowed to do that

1:16:05

to the jurors. That's what he said. Fucking

1:16:08

moron thinks he's better than me. Makes

1:16:10

he's better than me. I'm a lawyer, goddamn it.

1:16:13

So the Alabama Supreme Court denied the application to

1:16:15

appeal a sentence and upheld six of the murder

1:16:17

convictions there because he was trying to get rid

1:16:19

of the other six. They upheld all six. That's

1:16:22

February. April 4th, 2024. He

1:16:25

wants to die. Fucking kill me now. Changed

1:16:28

his mind. Yeah, he just realized there's no

1:16:30

winning this. This is,

1:16:33

yeah, this place sucks, man. So

1:16:35

he said he's dropping his appeals and wants

1:16:37

to be executed. He wrote letters to the

1:16:39

governor. He's 36. He

1:16:41

says he's at peace with this decision. He says

1:16:43

now it's time for the victims and their families

1:16:45

to get the justice they rightly deserve to start

1:16:48

the closure. That's what he said. He

1:16:50

said that he has not yet told the

1:16:52

victims' families of his

1:16:54

decision. He said, quote, I've laid many

1:16:56

nights thinking. I've laid, not awake,

1:16:59

just laid. Just laid many nights thinking. What

1:17:01

would I say to them if I ever

1:17:03

had the chance, the opportunity to say something,

1:17:05

meaning the victims' families? He said

1:17:07

that's part of the reason I've made my decision to

1:17:09

have my sentence carried out. Words don't have

1:17:12

any weight in this situation. The only thing I would

1:17:14

say is that everyone was hurt by the actions to

1:17:16

forgive me, not for

1:17:18

myself, but for them. That way they will

1:17:20

free their heart up and be able to

1:17:22

truly heal. He said

1:17:24

he only did the appeals process for his family.

1:17:26

He said, they said, Derek, just give us a

1:17:29

few years in this appeals process. We deserve that.

1:17:31

It's our right as your family to fight for

1:17:33

your life. And I said, okay. That

1:17:36

was almost six years ago and I feel like I've

1:17:38

given them a fair chance. He

1:17:41

said drugs turn me into a very unpredictable,

1:17:43

unstable, and violent person. That's not who I

1:17:46

am. The person that committed these crimes and

1:17:48

the person who I truly am is two

1:17:50

different people. Well, those people

1:17:52

who are dead aren't anybody anymore. That's the

1:17:55

problem. He says that doesn't

1:17:57

change the facts that the crimes are

1:17:59

committed. So,

1:18:01

he says that he wants to

1:18:04

do a lethal injection, and

1:18:07

he says, quote, the execution, I mean, does

1:18:09

it scare me? Yes and no. He

1:18:13

said, because they asked him about the failed

1:18:15

executions, because Alabama had a couple of botched

1:18:17

ones there, where the electric chair didn't work,

1:18:19

and remember that one? That was crazy. And

1:18:22

they couldn't get veins? Yeah, it's a mess.

1:18:24

Was it there where a man lived for

1:18:26

like four- Oh, yeah, he survived it.

1:18:28

He had four botches, yeah, and then survived the whole

1:18:30

thing? Yeah, that's crazy. He

1:18:32

said, on one side, you have

1:18:35

worse complications for whatever reason, it's

1:18:37

very agonizing and painful. I

1:18:39

mean, there is a chance Alabama has been known to have

1:18:41

trouble with their execution process. He

1:18:43

says, actually, that's like a challenge. You

1:18:46

fuckers can't kill me, you pussies, what's up? We'll

1:18:48

put a pillow over his face. He

1:18:50

said, I'm actually going through with it.

1:18:53

Actually going through with it, I think about the least

1:18:56

of all. My mind is so focused on trying to

1:18:58

make sure to do the right thing. And

1:19:01

he said that he's got a

1:19:03

spiritual advisor, a reverend, who

1:19:05

said, though I'm vehemently opposed to the state

1:19:07

of Alabama having the right to kill him,

1:19:09

Derek Dierman is competent to make his own

1:19:11

decisions, and I'll continue to prayerfully stand beside

1:19:13

him as he proceeds. And

1:19:16

he also said, there's guys in general population that

1:19:19

committed way worse crimes than half the guys on

1:19:21

death row. Guess what? Not

1:19:24

Derek. Yeah, not you. Not Derek. No,

1:19:27

no, no. This is pretty fucking

1:19:29

bad. Unless, yeah, I mean,

1:19:31

a lot of, there may be people

1:19:33

who did some sexual things to kids, but you

1:19:35

shot a pregnant woman. Like, you didn't even give

1:19:37

that kid a chance. No. Wow,

1:19:40

man. The only way he could have put a cherry

1:19:42

on top is if he fucked the baby's face and

1:19:44

then crushed his skull with a big clap, you know

1:19:46

what I mean? Like, pushed in a soft spot would

1:19:48

have been the only fucking way. What a scumbag. What

1:19:50

a poor kid. That's the thing to say, yeah. A

1:19:52

poor kid has no fucking parents now. No.

1:19:55

You never know them because it's getting too little.

1:19:58

And there's another baby. You know what? baby

1:20:00

that Jesus fucked a monster he's a fucking

1:20:02

monster so they said there's some guys here

1:20:04

on death row if you would let them

1:20:06

go today they would never commit a crime

1:20:09

and be productive members of society that

1:20:11

might be true maybe him

1:20:13

he ain't him bro deerman

1:20:16

said he is preferable this dying is

1:20:18

preferable to spending the rest of his

1:20:20

life in the system here he said

1:20:22

but that's not why he wants to

1:20:24

be executed he said am I doing

1:20:26

this because I can't live with myself

1:20:28

no I made this decision for different

1:20:30

reasons one of those reasons is so

1:20:32

all parties involved not just the victims

1:20:35

and their families but my family as

1:20:37

well can get some kind of closure

1:20:39

and healing and begin moving forward sometimes

1:20:41

they do this shit to like take a stand

1:20:43

and like be remembered yeah nobody remembers the the

1:20:46

convict who wants to be put to death you

1:20:48

know nobody knows no they remember

1:20:50

the guy with botched or like he went

1:20:52

kicking and screaming yeah you know we have

1:20:54

six guys that have been six guys names

1:20:56

that have been executed outside of that you

1:20:58

can't know it unless you fucking Google or

1:21:00

you got a great last words really great

1:21:02

last words like Gary Gilmore you know what

1:21:04

I mean shit that'll launch a marketing campaign

1:21:07

that'll be decades long that's the type of

1:21:09

shit you got to do so

1:21:11

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1:21:24

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