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Right in both spirit and in body

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soon as well here will be going

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there. So we're going to Cherryville, North

5:52

Carolina Cherryville cherry and

5:55

ville just like it's just like it's

5:57

normal two words put together here. It

5:59

is south kind of central

6:01

western North Carolina south west

6:03

of Charlotte nowhere near the coast

6:06

nowhere near the coast about 45 minutes

6:08

to Charlotte two hours and 45

6:10

minutes to Durham where we will

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be made 31st live with small

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family see you there and about

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an hour and a half to

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Clemens North Carolina which is our

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episode episode 451 turd boy satanic

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killer one

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of the craziest episodes ever oh

6:27

man median household income here is almost 20,000

6:30

below the national average about

6:32

51,000 Oh No dollars here and then

6:34

median home price also lower two

6:36

hundred thirty thousand three hundred dollars

6:38

that's great that's pretty good it's

6:41

a real this place is kind of a insular

6:43

kind of a place and it's changed

6:45

recently because now it's you can drive

6:47

to Charlotte from it so you

6:50

know more people have gone but it was really

6:52

a small insular town where how far from Charlotte

6:54

45 minutes oh 40 40 minutes yeah so yeah

6:56

it's one of those

7:00

motto here where life blossoms

7:03

oh yeah cuz it's cherries and shit you know

7:05

not on this show it doesn't on

7:08

this show this town is where life

7:10

goes to it's where it's sunset so

7:12

my it's not great and not grow

7:14

so a little bit of history of

7:16

this town it's been agriculture for

7:18

a long time was the base here to

7:20

echo that's where it's tobacco exactly

7:23

where it's hey North Carolina is one of

7:25

those places where the stereotype is true they're

7:27

growing tobacco all over this bitch yeah but

7:29

during the 1800s the late 1800s the textile

7:31

industry started booming

7:35

here they had a lot of mills and things

7:37

like that so July 13th 1966 trains

7:41

number 45 and 46 oh

7:43

this is gonna be the

7:46

seaboard airline railroad

7:48

hit head-on how the fuck does

7:51

that happen just

7:53

don't send two trains going opposite direction

7:56

on the same track and it's it's

7:58

otherwise physically impossible for that day happen

8:00

unless someone really fucks that up

8:02

bad. Yeah. Wow. The

8:05

crazy part is just like you got

8:08

as an engineer seeing that coming down the line you

8:10

got to be like I mean nobody

8:12

can this is the worst game of chicken

8:14

ever. Yeah it was nobody's anywhere. No it's

8:17

not like somebody was drunk and they swerved. Yeah.

8:20

They're on a track. Cross the yellow

8:22

line. It didn't happen. This killed one

8:24

and injured three which seems like it's

8:26

that's way less than a miracle. Yeah.

8:29

Absolutely. Reviews of this town

8:31

here is five stars. I really like

8:33

how Cherryville is a small town and

8:35

it's pretty. Okay. It

8:38

has every store you may need for example

8:41

Walmart, Dollar General, drug stores and even

8:43

small business sit down restaurants along with

8:45

some fast food chains. Everything you'd need.

8:48

Walmart, Dollar General. I got a mystery.

8:50

I need way more than that. Than

8:52

the Dollar General? Yeah. Jesus.

8:55

A little bit more I'm looking for. Yeah.

8:58

Two stars. I've

9:00

been here since I was 11. By

9:02

the way since is N.I. or I'm

9:04

sorry S.I.N.E.S. is since. Cines.

9:07

Cines I was 11. Not

9:10

really much to do here. The less

9:12

common here like you're listening. Has

9:15

a little Cines has a little skate

9:17

park in town and the New Year's shooters

9:19

is always a cool thing to go down

9:22

to town for for during New Year's.

9:25

The what? New Year's shooters. We'll

9:27

talk about it. No. That's

9:29

where a lot of older people bring

9:31

their muskets out and shoot gunpowder powered

9:34

gun powered it says in the air

9:36

for New Year's. That's the

9:38

thing that they do. A couple of small stores

9:40

no one really goes to. Just a small town

9:42

with nothing to do but

9:44

quiet and calm and never feel like I'm

9:47

in danger being anywhere in the town. Except

9:50

for on New Year's. Except for on New Year's when all

9:52

the old men have their muskets out. Then

9:55

it's watch your mouth that day. Things

9:58

to do First of all., The Blossom Festival

10:00

obviously any that was com and it's

10:03

nice you can be that be there

10:05

for the Miss Cherry Pla Blossom pageants.

10:07

gotta have that and of course food.

10:09

Know at ship and a band Hear

10:12

the Dirty Grass Soul is the band

10:14

Dirty Express of Dirty Grass? How. What's.

10:17

Yes exactly. As

10:19

I said in and make sure you got

10:21

the sanitation that the same as well as

10:24

filthy. Dirty.

10:26

Grass self not like him, that's funny

10:28

as shit again and bounce houses and

10:30

then the New Year suitors wishes. I

10:32

guess this is a tradition they've been

10:35

doing for hundreds of years were to

10:37

celebrate new Year's yeah, I'm sure back

10:39

then shrunken bands of guys would go

10:41

through from house to house was his

10:44

houses weren't weren't close back then. Maybe

10:46

like Farms south. They've odd com with

10:48

their muskets in a chance and yell

10:50

until you came out of the house

10:52

with your musket and fired at off

10:55

and then join. The party to the

10:57

next house. Oh my. So now they still

10:59

do that and now they do it. Also

11:01

in the Town square, they all just fire

11:03

their guns off muskets that. Idea

11:06

of a musket I've for this. Nice

11:08

for them. unless it's for the night

11:10

you gotta have a must for all

11:12

Job for January one. Black. Powder

11:14

only A without bullets. It's just a report

11:16

in the you're not yet been a fire

11:18

Ill lock him in. Also frightening fire and

11:21

lead balls into the air luckily but still

11:23

right ear nose pack and fear you know

11:25

what Would have to agree that must get

11:27

him as somebody thinks it's funny to throw

11:29

them and am in the that would allow

11:31

that he is as a crisis as it

11:33

melted on my face. Not your gun nuts,

11:35

that rifle. it's. So. Israel paint ball

11:37

or a job breaker and they're all a

11:39

sudden. there's a problem, is an issue or

11:41

right? That said, let's talk about the murder

11:43

Saleem. Okay, a bit about Sherry Veil here.

11:46

In this times this is from a

11:49

Washington Post article from February Twenty Ninth,

11:51

so a Leap Year article here since

11:53

Nineteen Ninety Two by Can't Jenkins Jr.

11:56

And there's several pieces of this article

11:58

that we use for information, so I

12:00

don't really want to give credit to

12:02

that. So it's as quote, even by

12:05

the standards of Rural America. Cherry Bills:

12:07

Five thousand residents are uncommonly close knit

12:09

and impervious to the world at large.

12:12

Emperor, The Impervious. This is a. Bubbly,

12:14

I was Smithtown. Fear is that that

12:17

really got to arrive in the Amazon?

12:19

Pretty. Much? yeah we've never seen people

12:22

are we don't cover our decks

12:24

a session. Leave

12:27

addicts suing and rate at said secretary

12:29

val are dicks Like this. Rate Assist

12:31

Assist assist the for hims early the

12:33

sensory would industrialization invaded the Carolina and

12:36

Piedmont. Thousands of subsistence farmers abandon their

12:38

land for the mill villages that seem

12:40

to spring up like dandelions. right. kept

12:42

poor and powerless by their employers that

12:45

was back in the days of company

12:47

sprint been company housing and all that

12:49

they. Came to depend on profoundly, are

12:51

depend profoundly on each other, developing community

12:54

ties almost as deep as blood. A

12:56

few years ago and sociologists published a

12:58

study of Milltown life they titled it

13:01

like a Family Cherry Ville Police Chief

13:03

Johnny We Hunt has been on the

13:05

job for more than a year, but

13:07

still universally known as the new Chief.

13:11

And fifty, He came from Morgan about

13:13

thirty miles away. And when he, while

13:15

he's as open and accommodating as he can

13:17

be, still working his way into the

13:19

town's braces. And he said quotes. People around

13:21

here are clannish and they always have

13:23

been blockchain. I use that learned. The

13:27

hard way that the. Hell

13:29

are last name as we have to. Yeah, had

13:31

we not miss that that that at his and

13:34

they've always been oh boy advance I keep asking

13:36

how long do I have to be here before?

13:38

I'm not the new chief and I've been told

13:40

I don't know how many times I don't care

13:43

how long you're here, you'll never be from Cherry

13:45

Bell. Oh so that's

13:47

a town we got here. It's a

13:49

it's not easy and it's it's it's

13:51

being insular is fine but like this

13:54

is just. pushing

13:56

people like a didn't really mean not not

13:58

even accepting and wow proud

14:00

to be terrible hosts is not a good

14:02

thing. Yeah, that's not a good look. That's

14:05

not a good look at all. Especially when, even

14:07

to your chief of police? That's what I mean.

14:09

He's going to help you if you have a

14:11

problem. And they're like, well, don't care. He ain't

14:13

from here. Like, calm down. Fuck

14:16

you outsiders. He's from 30 miles away, too. It's

14:18

not like... He gets from Morgan. It's not like

14:20

he's from Paris, France, and he came over here

14:22

with a fucking beret on, going, hey, we, we,

14:24

what are you doing over here, people? You should

14:26

have orgies in the street, in a church. Why

14:28

are you... That's not him. Yeah. 30

14:31

miles away. Where he's from has the

14:33

same weather as we do today. So the

14:35

same storm came through. Still

14:38

shit. At the same time. We're getting the

14:41

same exact problem. All right. Let's go

14:43

to 1991. That's

14:46

the same error that was written. Okay. July 28,

14:48

1991. Let's talk about William Fred Davis. Apparently

14:54

everybody calls him Fred. Okay.

14:57

Old Willie Fred. Old Willie Fred here.

14:59

He was born... Well, he's 68 years old in

15:01

1991. And

15:04

he's got a wife named Margaret Shuford Davis.

15:06

Shuford's her maiden name. She is

15:09

67 years old. They've been married for,

15:11

you know, 40 years or something. A

15:13

long time. And William Fred

15:16

was in World War II in the Army

15:18

Air Corps. Holy. I

15:20

mean, yeah. Fought Hitler, this guy. Before it was

15:22

the Air Force, for Christ's sake. Yeah. Yeah. The

15:24

Army Air Corps. If you ever watch All in

15:26

the Family shit, that's where Archie Bunker was in

15:28

the Army Air Corps. Really? Yeah.

15:31

They were like the ground guys that helped

15:33

supply the... Helped keep

15:35

the airplanes going. Got it. He

15:39

worked for the North Carolina Department of Transportation as

15:41

a mechanic. And

15:43

he also always was farming as well.

15:46

That's a man. He had a day job

15:48

and also was a farmer, which

15:50

is a lot of work. That just sounds like...

15:52

That guy doesn't quit. No. He gets up at

15:54

4 a.m., farms for 3, 4 hours, then goes

15:56

to work all day, comes home, farms a while,

15:59

goes to bed. And made it to 1991, 68 years old, crushing

16:01

it. That's

16:04

pretty good. Margaret worked at

16:06

Jenkins Food. She

16:09

worked at the, what they

16:11

call a mush house, locally. What

16:13

is that? A sausage making plant. Let's

16:16

not call it that. There's literally just a

16:19

thing, you don't want to see how the

16:21

sausage is made. That's an idiom. So,

16:23

you really don't want to see how the sausage

16:26

is made, and this lady fucking makes the sausage.

16:28

The mush house. The mush house. She makes it.

16:31

Gross. Both her brother and

16:33

sister lived within a mile of them.

16:35

Everybody kind of lives here. They have

16:37

an old house where everybody, like the

16:40

house she grew up in is also

16:42

right on the same area,

16:44

and that's where their daughter lived. They renovated

16:46

the house for her daughter. She's

16:49

got, they have a daughter named Ruth and a

16:51

son named Steven, and now they're

16:53

retired. And they, a

16:55

long time friend said, I grew up with them

16:57

and no one ever had anything to say against

16:59

them. If the church door ever

17:01

opened on a Sunday morning and Fred Davis

17:03

wasn't there, I never heard about it. They

17:05

were as fine as any people who ever

17:08

lived around here. That's a long

17:10

way to go to say, here's a church every

17:12

Sunday. Nice church going people.

17:14

That's all he's trying to say with all of

17:16

that shit. So

17:19

like I said, they have a daughter

17:21

named Ruth that they redid this house that

17:23

the mother grew up in, that Margaret grew

17:25

up in, and

17:27

Ruth has a husband named Joey

17:29

James Melton. So Joey Jimmy. Yep.

17:33

Oll Joey Jimmy here. He's 29

17:36

and he's a high school dropout who

17:39

Fred and Margaret vehemently opposed

17:41

the wedding to. Yeah.

17:44

He didn't help redo this

17:46

house. He's useless. Yeah. So now he's moving

17:48

in and they later had to help the

17:50

couple financially. The parents did. They set them

17:52

up in a mobile home. It's about 150

17:54

yards away from the house, which will come

17:56

in majorly later and also then

17:59

provided them. the house that the

18:01

Remarred grew up in that they did but they

18:03

did not like Joey Jimmy at all. No

18:06

good. Neighbors and families say that

18:09

Joey Jimmy had problems that... Is

18:11

that what they called him? No, that's what I'm

18:13

calling him. They called him Joey.

18:15

They called him Joey but his name is...

18:17

I like Joey Jimmy a lot. That just

18:20

sounds... Hey Joey Jimmy. Yeah, I think it's

18:22

got a good ring to it. Joe Jimmy

18:24

ain't so bad either. Joe Jimmy. Yeah, Joe

18:26

Jim is good too. That kind

18:28

of sounds like toe jam. I don't know if you

18:30

want that. I like that. I like Joey Jimmy. So

18:33

they had... He had a

18:35

lot of problems, Joey Jimmy. And he

18:37

used to attract the attention of law

18:39

enforcement officers, shall we say. He

18:42

underwent psychiatric treatment multiple times in the

18:44

1980s and all the neighbors

18:48

said that he used to use a lot of drugs

18:50

but he doesn't seem like he's doing it lately. Do

18:53

we know what happened to him? No. He's just

18:55

a local, just a general,

18:58

ne'er-do-well... Run-of-the-mill don't give a fuck. Run-of-the-mill, yeah. I

19:00

dropped out. I do a bunch of drugs. I'm

19:02

a fuck up. I get arrested all the time.

19:04

You know, they don't know what's wrong with me.

19:06

They send me to a psychiatric center. They go,

19:08

you're a drug addict, stupid, and they kick him

19:10

out and that's that. Why don't you want to

19:12

do anything and make a living? That seems hard.

19:14

Yeah. He's like

19:16

the guy. I like doing drugs. It's

19:18

more fun. Okay, well yeah. Point taken.

19:20

You are correct. It is more fun.

19:22

We get it. So Sunday, July 28th, 1991. Now

19:24

Fred and Margaret

19:29

Davis were at church, obviously, and they

19:32

were given a ride home from church

19:35

and dropped off. Mrs. Davis, Margaret, was

19:37

carrying a light beige pocketbook with some

19:39

money inside of it. And

19:42

later that day, their daughter-in-law, Kathy,

19:44

Stephen's wife, spoke

19:47

with Margaret and also saw

19:49

Fred when Fred

19:52

stopped by her home to deliver some vegetables that

19:54

he'd been growing. The son

19:56

of a gun grows vegetables, grows too much,

19:58

and gives them away. I got to give them

20:00

to the kids. They need vegetables. So

20:03

Ruth here saw her father that afternoon

20:05

in a field near his home and

20:07

also spoke with Margaret at the home

20:09

as well. Then

20:12

the daughter-in-law, I guess, oh no, another

20:14

person here, another neighbor, stopped by the

20:16

house around 6 p.m. to borrow a

20:18

vacuum cleaner. No one was

20:20

home, but the back door was unglocked, so

20:23

she just went in, grabbed the vacuum cleaner and left. Okay.

20:27

Now, at some point in the night

20:30

here during this evening, someone

20:32

broke into their house and

20:35

threw a back window. And

20:39

basically what happened was

20:41

Margaret was attacked first. Oh,

20:44

God, they were home. Someone came in with an

20:46

axe handle. Oh, boy. And

20:48

beat Margaret to death with it. Wow.

20:52

In the home. Now Fred, that was in the

20:54

bedroom. Now Fred was in

20:56

another room watching TV. Fred's

20:59

mostly deaf and he had no idea this was happening

21:01

in his house. He

21:03

couldn't hear it at all. And he's got

21:05

the TV turned off at a god-awful level. Probably

21:08

blaring like old people anyway, and if he's hard

21:10

of hearing on top of it, Jesus Christ, it's

21:12

probably blaring. He wouldn't have heard it even if

21:14

he wasn't hard of hearing. And

21:16

he didn't know that this attacker

21:18

was sneaking behind him and

21:21

attacked him from behind with an axe handle

21:23

and beat Fred to death. He beat Fred

21:26

unfucking mercifully. And

21:28

Fred never even saw it coming. So it's like he could

21:30

have done nothing to cause this ire. You

21:32

know what I mean? He didn't even see it happen.

21:35

Whoever did this knew they were going to have to

21:37

give him hell because that is a tough man. You're

21:41

not going to overpower that guy. These old harbors are

21:43

tough. He's in World War II for

21:45

Christ's sake. Fred

21:47

is just beaten horribly. Now

21:49

they lay there. They're both killed. They

21:52

lay there until the next day when their

21:54

daughter Ruth comes over to

21:57

see them and discovers them.

22:00

Now, there's no clear motive. Nothing is

22:03

stolen except just her purse is stolen.

22:05

That's the only thing stolen. The Beige

22:07

pocketbook. That's it. And there's

22:09

no evidence of sexual assault, although they

22:12

said that Margaret was found partially

22:14

disrobed, but not

22:16

assaulted. That's weird. I

22:19

don't know. So the autopsies, to find out

22:21

exactly what happened here, they're

22:23

conducted. There's six major lacerations

22:25

on the scalp and face

22:27

of Margaret. An internal examination

22:29

revealed contusions hemorrhaging into the

22:31

brain and multiple skull fractures.

22:34

Also, wounds to her left elbow and

22:36

right hand could have been defensive wounds.

22:39

She probably saw her coming. They said, or it could have been

22:41

a result of a fall. We don't know. That

22:44

is a nasty axe handle, huh? It's

22:46

fucking brutal. It must have been tempered

22:48

or something here. It's just thick. For

22:51

Mr. Davis, for Fred, they said

22:53

that an external examination showed blood and

22:56

brain tissue on his head, face, and

22:58

clothing. Wow. Both

23:00

of his eyes had been blackened and he

23:02

had bled into the substance of his left

23:05

eye. His skull bones had been thoroughly fractured

23:07

and pressed inward into his brain. They

23:10

said that he was beaten so hard

23:12

about his head that

23:14

his brain was pulpified. His

23:18

skull chewed up his brain. They

23:21

pureed his brain with a fucking axe handle.

23:23

My God. They said there

23:25

was blood spattered on the ceiling

23:27

everywhere. I mean, it was fucking

23:29

brutal, brutal at that. A 68-year-old

23:32

man. A 68-year-old man with no

23:34

enemies, too. These are just not like they have

23:36

all ... They've had huge beef with these people

23:38

over here. They're not the Hatfields and the McCoys.

23:40

They're just old church people that farm. There

23:44

were 12 lacerations to his face and

23:46

scalp. His dentures were protruding from his

23:48

mouth. His left little finger

23:50

was pinky, was torn almost

23:52

completely off of his hand, and his

23:55

left ring finger had scrapes and cuts

23:57

on it. The wounds to his

23:59

hand could have been suspended. sustained as he tried

24:01

to defend himself or been caused by the hand

24:04

resting on top of his head when the

24:06

blows were inflicted. Might have scratched his head

24:08

or something. They said the nature

24:10

of the injuries to both were

24:12

consistent with being caused by a blunt

24:14

instrument such as an axe handle. Tore

24:17

a finger off with something blunt, man.

24:19

That's hard. That's aggressive. Somebody, this is,

24:21

there's a lot of anger in this.

24:24

That's yury. Especially with no other, didn't

24:26

rob the place, didn't go through a

24:28

jewelry box, didn't, you know, didn't make

24:30

the old way, didn't do any of

24:32

that stuff. So it doesn't make any

24:34

sense. So the

24:37

purse that evening, by the way, is

24:39

spot, it's spotted on fire. Oh.

24:43

It's by a local resident who calls the

24:45

sheriff, the sheriff's department, but by

24:47

the time the resident and

24:49

the deputy get back to the spot where

24:51

the purse was, it's gone. Not

24:54

burned up. They took it. It's

24:57

just gone. Wow. But they

24:59

do find in that area the

25:01

dress that Margaret was wearing that

25:03

day. Oh. Yeah.

25:06

They find that, but the purse is gone. So

25:09

that's interesting. Now, the first

25:11

thought everybody has is, let's all talk

25:13

to Joey, Jimmy. What do we say?

25:16

Probably, yeah. Because out of everybody in this

25:18

town, he's the only one that's had any

25:20

beef with these people whatsoever in the day.

25:22

Yeah. They don't like him. They

25:25

don't like them. It's just the way it is. So they

25:28

really, the Rutherford County sheriffs go

25:30

after Joey, Jimmy. I mean, they're

25:33

fucking, they said basically it's like

25:35

a parade of police cars to his house all the

25:37

time. They're just camped out

25:39

on a street. Yeah. Just waving

25:41

at him. We're going to get you. We're going

25:44

to get you talking to him. Also the gossip

25:46

spreads from there. Oh, boy. And

25:48

everyone in town goes, well, he's the only person

25:50

that had any beef with them. So he obviously

25:52

did it. No one else fucking did it. This

25:54

is ridiculous. It's a, plus where the house is,

25:56

it's like rural. It's not even in a place

25:58

somebody would wander by. stumble on it?

26:01

No, someone had to be doing this. Floyd

26:04

Terry, who runs the grocery store,

26:06

Terry's Groceries, he said

26:08

they were all over the place and

26:10

all over him, meaning Joey Jimmy. I asked

26:12

him straight out after it happened and

26:14

he said, I couldn't do nothing like that,

26:17

I couldn't. And if I did, I wouldn't

26:19

be crazy enough to let my wife go

26:21

back there the next day. That's not

26:23

the response you want either, by the way. And

26:26

if I did? Couldn't

26:28

isn't what you want. Didn't is what

26:31

you want. Right. Wouldn't. Wouldn't, didn't. Wouldn't

26:33

and couldn't is what OJ said. Right.

26:36

Yeah. You know what I mean? Couldn't is

26:38

bad. Yeah. It should be didn't and wouldn't.

26:40

That's what you say. And to say like,

26:42

and if I did, I wouldn't be crazy

26:44

enough to do that is usually a bad

26:46

sign too. So that's weird. But

26:49

as the weeks go by here in the

26:51

summer, through the end of July and

26:54

through August, they find no

26:56

physical evidence and no evidence linking

26:59

him to these killings. Nothing. They have nothing to

27:01

go on. So they're trying to figure out how

27:03

to trip them up here and you know maybe

27:05

make him confess or something like that. But when

27:07

they do, he doesn't, he won't

27:09

crack. Yeah. So they have nothing to do. So

27:11

the pressure kind of eases up on Jimmy Joey

27:14

or Joey Jimmy a little bit. So

27:17

September 8th 1991. Okay. This is another Sunday,

27:19

by the way. Another Sunday

27:23

evening. We have EZ Willis.

27:26

EZ. Is that right? That's his name. EZ wider

27:29

Willis over here. Does it? And

27:31

yeah, and his wife Sarah. So EZ

27:33

is 71 and Sarah

27:35

is 67. Okay. They

27:38

live on a farmhouse on Flint Mill Road.

27:40

Oh no. And he is retired from

27:43

his job at an auto repair shop

27:46

and he walks with a cane now. Yeah. But

27:48

he's still very active. These people are very

27:51

active. Like he's retired and walks with a

27:53

cane. But that week, the week before he

27:55

was up on top of the garage patching

27:57

the roof. Yeah. He walks with a cane

27:59

because his leg. just saw from pickleball games. A

28:02

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28:05

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a lot going on there. So Sarah

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though still works and works overtime even at

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the mill that she works at. So

30:37

Sarah's still putting in time at 67. Apparently

30:40

this evening they were home and

30:43

someone came into their house

30:45

through a bedroom window when

30:47

no one was in the bedroom and confronts the couple

30:50

in the kitchen. The

30:52

killer has a tire iron, but

30:55

EZ has a cane. And

30:58

they know, as we'll find out later, for a fact

31:00

that he got a couple of shots in with this

31:02

cane. He was fighting

31:04

and defending himself here. But apparently

31:08

though they were brutally,

31:10

just unmercifully beaten with a tire iron.

31:14

Both EZ and Sarah. Canes

31:17

no match for a fucking tire iron. Even especially

31:19

a 71 year old man who needs the cane

31:21

to walk. So that means he's not real sturdy

31:23

on his feet while he's swinging the fucking thing

31:25

either. So you knock him down once

31:27

and then you pummel him to death

31:29

with a tire iron. She's probably exhausted from

31:31

working at the mill. She

31:34

just punched out for Christ's sake. Yeah. So

31:38

the next day is when their

31:40

daughter, Sheila, comes over. So again,

31:42

it's the same exact thing. Exact.

31:45

The Sunday, the Monday morning, the daughter finding

31:47

it. The daughter lives next door. That's the

31:49

thing. All of these little places all have

31:51

the families all live in like, it's

31:54

almost like a hollow, a holler that's not a holler.

31:56

You know what I mean? Right. My

32:00

family needs a home. Yeah, or generations ago

32:02

because these families have all lived here for

32:04

generations So they plot to land and they

32:07

just build houses on them. Exactly. So she

32:09

discovered the bodies of her parents on Monday

32:11

morning She said you can't imagine what it

32:13

was like. I haven't been back to the

32:16

house since this was a little later on

32:18

I can't go in things like this don't

32:20

happen in Cherryville Apparently

32:23

they do. It's happened twice. So

32:25

the police are saying okay, this is this

32:28

seems related Both

32:30

couples lived in rural areas both over

32:32

65. Neither home was ransacked. Nothing was

32:34

taken from this home at all By

32:36

the way, what is that the Willis's

32:39

the home of the Davis's is only

32:41

30 miles from the Willis's The Davis's

32:43

live in Ellenborough. The Willis's are in

32:45

Cherryville They said everything is just

32:47

exactly the same when you have 10 or

32:49

11 coincidences. It may not seem like a

32:52

coincidence anymore Yes, somebody just

32:54

likes killing man Yeah Both houses undisturbed

32:56

robbery didn't appear to be the motive

32:58

the killings occurred sometimes Sunday night or

33:00

early Monday in isolated rural homes Each

33:02

about a mile from the Cleveland County

33:04

line, by the way Both

33:07

couples were beaten to death with a blunt

33:09

object different objects But still beaten with blunt

33:11

objects and in both houses the

33:14

TV sets were left blaring afterwards Now

33:17

we don't know if that's coincidence of just old people

33:19

listen to the TV loud and they were on when

33:21

he came over And then they stayed on or if

33:23

dude Cranked them

33:25

up. I don't to maybe cover the screams and

33:28

whales I don't know both of the

33:30

couples were no enemies well respected

33:32

church-going nice people that lived lived in

33:34

the community all their lives They were

33:36

neither of them, you know Kate

33:39

Hamon recently. Yeah, both of

33:41

these couples were last seen on a Sunday night

33:44

and found dead the next morning by their daughters

33:47

The Davis's actually it wasn't even

33:49

their daughter who walked in first

33:51

It was their seven-year-old grandson who

33:53

walked in and found grandpa's quote

33:55

Pulpified brains Yikes,

33:57

that's fucking disturbing So,

34:01

yeah, that's pretty crazy. So

34:03

the poor daughter had to find them. They

34:05

said they're going to compare the cases with

34:07

similar ones around the state. They have one

34:09

case from 1990 where a retired tobacco farmer

34:12

and his 76-year-old wife were found

34:14

stabbed to death in their home, which

34:16

was in a rural area. Nothing was taken

34:18

except a woman's purse as well, and there was no

34:20

sign of struggle there. But

34:23

the problem is this is in Alamance

34:25

County, and they had just charged a

34:27

man with killing them. Now,

34:30

this man had known the couple and is being

34:32

held without bond, but they don't think that he's

34:34

the guy that was over here. Number

34:37

one, because he was in jail already while

34:39

one of them happened. That'll be him. Yeah.

34:41

So they think there's at least one other person

34:43

doing this. Now, as soon as

34:45

these bodies are discovered, this

34:48

town is bonkers, batshit

34:50

hysteria at this point. How

34:52

could you not? It's nothing happens here. They

34:55

all know each other. The viciousness is horrible

34:57

also. It's obviously one person doing

34:59

it, which is scaring people as well. So

35:03

they're really freaked out, everybody. The

35:06

day after the Willis's

35:09

are discovered, Eazy

35:11

and Sarah, Joey Jimmy

35:15

writes a suicide note, puts

35:18

a shotgun to his chest, and blows himself

35:20

away. What? Commits

35:23

suicide. Gone. Gone. It

35:25

worked. Yeah. It

35:28

worked out. What? It wasn't Joey

35:30

Jimmy. That's... Didn't do what?

35:33

He didn't do any of that. Who was that? He

35:35

was murder. No, he killed himself. He didn't do murder.

35:38

Okay, he did. That's the thing. Wow. So

35:41

he's found dead in his living room sofa at 5.15 AM by Ruth, who then

35:43

had to find her parents and then her husband a

35:45

fucking month later. That

35:48

is horrible here. Horrible.

35:50

Ruth said she heard a crashing sound in the living

35:52

room of her house and came in there

35:54

and saw his inside spread

35:56

up on the wall. He

35:59

left a note, but she... She wouldn't reveal the contents of

36:01

the note. But, yeah. They said

36:03

he shot himself in the abdomen with a

36:05

12-gauge shotgun. They said

36:07

authorities were uncertain if he had any connection

36:09

to the death of any of that stuff.

36:11

They said, we've had so many similarities between

36:13

the two investigations, we certainly couldn't brush this

36:16

aside. We're not taking it into consideration now,

36:18

but at some point we may have to,

36:20

is what the police said. Ruth

36:23

says she doesn't want to talk about anything anymore.

36:25

She moved out of her house immediately and just

36:27

left the area. She doesn't want anything. Everybody's

36:30

been murdered that she's close to here. And

36:32

they're all in the same neighborhood too.

36:34

We're all so close. So close. So,

36:37

at this point, they never

36:40

found any evidence that Joey Jimmy did this

36:42

shit, and so they were upset. The

36:46

people in town are pissed off at the cops. Thinking

36:48

that they blew it? For forcing them

36:50

to do this and leaving people. Yeah.

36:54

The Sherry Terry, that's a person's

36:56

name. Sherry Terry is the daughter

36:58

of the local grocer, and she said that

37:00

she sees Ruth in the store and says

37:02

she's doing the best she can, raising her

37:04

kids. You should see her little boy. He

37:06

looks just like his father, who's now dead.

37:09

So what does that mean? He's

37:12

very bloody. He's very bloody. He's got brains

37:14

all over the place. It would

37:16

be intestines probably. The sheriff

37:18

said that he doesn't want to say much

37:20

about Joey Melton's death, largely because there's been

37:22

talk that Ruth Melton may file a civil

37:25

suit charging the department with harassment over this.

37:28

Oh. Said she's talked to us

37:30

several times, and I think she's settled down

37:32

now. I think she understands what happened in

37:34

this case was unavoidable. Other

37:36

people don't though. A guy named

37:38

Seibert McKee, who's a retired farmer,

37:40

he said, quote, the law killed that

37:43

boy. They killed him, yes, sir.

37:46

Okay. That's what he said. The law.

37:48

The law. He also,

37:50

and then Sherry Terry said the boy had

37:52

his troubles, but he didn't do what they

37:54

said he did, and he didn't deserve what

37:56

he got. I still think about Joey killing

37:58

himself. I reckon he felt. Everybody thought he

38:00

did it, but if he could have just held on a

38:03

couple more days... A couple more

38:05

days? We'll find out why, because in a couple days

38:07

we find out he was... All we needed was 48

38:09

hours to clear this boy? 48

38:11

hours to clear. Oh, God damn it! Everybody,

38:14

by the way, the gossip... These

38:17

are horrible murders. I just gave you

38:19

the actual facts, but the rumors that

38:21

spread around town of what happened is

38:23

crazy. The

38:25

rumors are everybody tells the daughter, oh,

38:27

I heard your mom was raped. I'm

38:30

real sorry. Oh, for heaven's sake. At

38:32

a halt, one of the local papers

38:34

reported that both the Willises and the

38:36

Davises had houses with semi-circular driveways. So

38:39

soon, people were saying

38:41

in town, it took two days for

38:43

people to start going, it's the work

38:45

of a cult. And they're semi-circular driveways,

38:48

literally, that's what they were doing. Everybody

38:50

start paving your driveway straight. Yep. They

38:53

said the shape of the driveways was some kind of symbol.

38:55

That's what it was. But

38:58

the police chief said everyone was buying guns.

39:00

He said our officers became genuinely

39:02

concerned about being shot themselves. When

39:05

you go out at two o'clock in the morning and someone's

39:07

walking around a house with a gun, you don't know if

39:09

it's a prowler or the homeowner. We finally

39:11

had to tell our callers to stay inside till

39:13

we got there. We'll knock and then you come

39:16

out. Yeah. Don't fucking

39:18

do that, because it's dark too. This is a rural, rural

39:20

area. So the sheriff wrote

39:22

an article for the paper asking gun

39:24

buyers to think seriously whether they're actually

39:26

mentally prepared to take a life. Think

39:29

about this before you're doing this. Dude, that is

39:31

such a great point. I don't think everybody thinks

39:33

about that. Yeah, nobody thinks

39:36

about that. He said the burglar alarm salesman

39:38

came from all over the place. And

39:41

the hardware store sent people

39:43

came in for locks, dead

39:45

bolts, all

39:47

sorts of shit. The bullets, they couldn't keep

39:49

bullets in. I don't know if they

39:51

thought an army was coming to their house. You

39:54

probably only need one or two if someone's coming in

39:56

to murder you by themselves. They're

40:00

like, I need an extended split. Yeah. Yeah.

40:03

Well, I guess, you know, whatever. So

40:05

one guy here said

40:07

that he knew, this is Jimmy

40:09

Terry is his name. Yeah. All

40:11

these Terrys. He did, yeah. Yeah, he

40:14

said that he said many people in the

40:16

community believed that Melton was somehow involved in

40:18

the Davis deaths because police had

40:20

questioned him and because of problems he had with

40:22

the family. But Terry said

40:24

that after the Davis killings, quote, this is

40:26

about Joey, Jimmy, he got real quiet. He

40:28

used to be outspoken. Everyone thought he was

40:31

hiding something, but I don't think he was capable of

40:33

getting involved in something like that. Who

40:35

might be? Well, let's

40:37

talk about someone who could be. Guy

40:40

named Philip Lee Engel,

40:42

Engel, I-N-G-L-E. By the way, Wayne and

40:44

Lee as a middle name, huge red

40:47

flag for murderers. He was born in

40:49

1961, so he's 29 at this point

40:51

in time. He's

40:54

married and has two little girls. Really?

40:57

He's a three years old and one year old. Uh-huh,

40:59

brand new. The Engles are three

41:02

generations deep in Cherryville. He's

41:04

a local guy. He's

41:06

had a tough life. Everybody said his mother

41:09

and father split up soon after he was

41:11

born and that she was only around periodically

41:13

when he was growing up and when she

41:15

was, everybody would wish she was gone

41:17

because she caused work. You only had dad? No,

41:20

dad took off a long

41:22

time. So where the, how the, how

41:24

are you doing this? Relatives just getting

41:26

kicked around. He's got a sister

41:28

too, talk about it. They said that

41:30

there was a cousin of his that

41:32

sexually molested him during his childhood. And

41:36

yeah, he also had psychiatric problems,

41:38

treated several times in the 80s.

41:41

He was described by his sister as

41:43

a tortured child. And when

41:45

he was, grew into an

41:47

adult, his nickname around prison whenever

41:50

he was in jail was

41:52

Psycho. That's nice. Great.

41:54

In prison, that's your nickname. Those

41:57

guys consider you nuts. Yeah, I

41:59

get it. if you work at like

42:01

an accounting firm and you're the wild

42:03

one. Do

42:06

a lot of coffee tossing. This

42:08

is in jail. He's like

42:10

a ... His sister

42:12

said that he never knew his real

42:14

father and his mother was a drug

42:16

addict and would constantly torment her. They

42:19

said that the family dog got much more affection than

42:21

the kids. She

42:24

said that sister said, I can't tell you how many

42:27

times she went to the hospital for overdoses. He

42:30

himself here, Phillip, tried

42:32

to hang himself twice

42:36

from the age of six to nine. Wow.

42:39

How the fuck does a six-year-old know to try

42:42

to hang themselves? That's terrifying. Also,

42:46

that'd be tough. You're a very light

42:48

guy. No shit. Yeah, you'd have to have that shit high.

42:50

You'd need a big job. Yeah, you got to jump. I'm

42:53

impressed though because a lot of six-year-olds can't tie

42:55

shoes. This kid's making a noose. This guy's tying

42:58

noose. It's pretty impressive stuff here. He

43:01

also attempted suicide by shooting himself

43:03

in the abdomen with a rifle

43:05

as well. Oh. Sounded a lot like Joey, Jimmy,

43:07

right? He did it, huh? This is ... Hope

43:10

the trigger and got it. Yep, and didn't

43:12

die. He repeatedly tried to crash his

43:14

car once he became a teenager to kill

43:16

himself. Another occasion when he was 19, he

43:19

said he wanted to kill himself. That's when he shot himself

43:21

in the stomach with a rifle. Then there

43:23

was another time when he went out in the highway,

43:26

we'll talk about later, and tried to get hit by

43:28

cars. He's

43:30

giving it his best. Yep. His

43:32

sister said, quote, we both wish we were never born.

43:35

That's what his sister said. Holy

43:38

shit. They said her mother Juanita

43:40

would swallow painkillers by the handful and yell

43:42

at her children and insult them. She

43:46

said that once when he wasn't old enough to

43:48

drive, for some reason he was driving, and he

43:50

ran over the family dog by accident. Oh my

43:52

God, no. He felt horrible,

43:55

but the mother went crazy on him and

43:57

said, quote, I wish it was you. I wish it was

43:59

you. died, which is,

44:01

I don't know what

44:03

I'm more horrified about of any of this. This

44:05

is horrifying. We can get another talk, but... Fuck.

44:09

I wish it was you. I wish it was you.

44:12

Wow. He had numerous

44:14

head injuries as a child, including one

44:16

when he was bludgeoned with a long

44:18

stick during a fight. Repeatedly

44:21

bludgeoned with a long stick. And

44:23

also a neighbor, in addition to their cousin,

44:26

a neighbor molested both her and him. Not

44:30

a great life. So she also said

44:32

he's got some odd religious beliefs, including

44:34

the idea that demons can possess people

44:36

all the time and control their actions.

44:39

Okay. Yeah. He

44:41

has pleaded guilty to charges of DUI

44:43

and simple possession of marijuana in

44:46

the 80s, so low-level stuff. But

44:49

one woman said that he has a big

44:51

temper when he drinks. She said

44:53

he came to our house once and tried to pick a

44:55

fight with my brother for no reason at all. That's

44:59

drunk. So a

45:02

week or two prior to the Davis

45:04

murders, the first murders, Fred and Margaret,

45:06

he had been involved in a huge argument

45:08

with his grandmother. So

45:11

there's later on, there'll be psychiatrists who think

45:13

there's a link between seeing the sight of

45:15

elderly people pissing him off and triggering a

45:18

psychotic episode because he was mad at his

45:20

grandmother, but for some reason could kill his

45:22

grandmother. Just the sight of old people. Look

45:24

at them. That's me. Look

45:27

at them. Old. They're away

45:29

from the cracker bear. Just all old.

45:31

Look at them. Ugh. Kind

45:33

of come out and fire his musket off. What

45:35

a wild thing to trigger you. And

45:38

the other thing is the nearest

45:40

resident, the resident's the mobile home

45:42

that's located 150 yards from

45:44

the Davis's house. He rented it from

45:46

them in 1987. Oh,

45:49

boy. Yeah. Philip did. So

45:51

he knows them well and lived on their

45:53

property. They were a landlord. He rented from

45:55

them. He rented from them. So August 91,

45:57

this is before the Willis's got murdered in

45:59

San Francisco. September, he was working in

46:01

a mill doing second shift at the Dora

46:03

Mill. What mill is that? I

46:06

think they do probably. Is it not the one

46:08

that Sarah worked at? It's not the same one,

46:10

different one, different one. But we find out that

46:12

EZ Willis is his third cousin. For

46:15

fuck's sake, are you serious? Which I think in this town,

46:17

a lot of people are third, fourth cousins, but they're not.

46:19

Yeah, they're probably making first cousins. Yeah, but they're third cousins

46:21

with these people, but he didn't know that at the time,

46:24

by the way. So. Really?

46:27

Yes. He was a mechanic when he

46:29

was working at the plant. The women didn't

46:31

want to go anywhere alone. So

46:33

when they would want to ride to work or be

46:35

walked to their cars, he'd be the guy that would

46:38

do it, because he's such a good guy. I'll walk

46:40

you ladies to the car, make sure nothing happens to

46:42

you. He'd be safe from that psycho out there. Then

46:45

he went to a party one night. This is after

46:47

the murders, and this is

46:49

after the Davis murder, but before the Willis's murder,

46:52

and talked to a long haul truck driver

46:54

friend of his and said, quote,

46:56

man, I killed two people. I beat him to

46:58

death. That's what he told this guy. And

47:02

the guy, and then he asked his

47:04

friend if he needed anyone killed. Oh,

47:06

I'm for hire. So

47:09

the guy was laughing, and he pointed at his

47:11

neighbor's house going, yeah, those assholes over there. And

47:14

so then the Phillips started asking this

47:16

guy questions about his neighbor. So

47:18

he said, bro, I'm just kidding. I didn't actually want

47:20

my neighbors killed. He was like, oh yeah,

47:23

well, literally he was asking them

47:25

like that. Like, what's their schedule like? Do they

47:27

have dogs? Like shit like that. I'll

47:29

run them over if they do. So he said,

47:32

I'm just kidding. Um, he said that he wanted,

47:34

he said, you know, I didn't want my neighbor

47:36

armed. And he said, also my neighbor's a real

47:38

big guy and he's heavily armed. So

47:41

don't go over there. He'll shoot you, man.

47:43

Well, he Phillips said this in return, quote,

47:46

that doesn't matter. They'll never see me coming.

47:48

All I need is an ax handle. And

47:52

then the guy said, don't worry about it. Don't worry about

47:54

it. And Phillips said, well, man, I wouldn't be telling you

47:56

this, but I know I can trust you. Yeah,

47:58

apparently not. Cause I'm giving you a. quotes.

48:02

Don't trust me too much. I'll tell everybody.

48:04

Yep. The friend ended up leaving on

48:06

a trip to truck and he said he wasn't thinking twice about

48:08

that. He said he was just drunk and he thought he was

48:11

running off at the mouth trying to act like a tough guy.

48:13

But then when he returned and found out another

48:15

couple had been beaten to death in their homes,

48:18

he went, um, I

48:20

should go to the police here. This isn't

48:22

good. Wow. So he goes to the police

48:24

and then they find out that there's a

48:26

set of palm prints at the Willis's house on

48:29

their window sill, you know,

48:32

as you boost yourself through a window and

48:34

they match angles because they have

48:36

angles from his arrest back in

48:38

the day. So this, they, they

48:40

figure out to cross reference it

48:42

with angles because this guy

48:44

says he heard this guy doing it. So

48:46

then they check against the prints and they

48:48

go, it's our, that's our fucking guy. Holy

48:50

shit. That's the only reason they got him.

48:52

Yep. A palm print and this guy's drunk

48:54

and old loud mouth. Yep. That's it. So

48:56

was anyone even looking at angle? Well, uh,

48:59

he showed up for work that Monday, the

49:01

Monday after the Willis's were killed easy and

49:03

Sarah with a gash on his face, you

49:07

know, like if you got hit in the

49:09

face of a game, yeah, he told his

49:11

friends and coworkers that he slipped while jumping

49:13

on a trampoline, those sharp

49:15

trampoline edges. We all know about those.

49:17

They really caught you. If

49:19

you had a, his arm in a cast,

49:21

you'd say, I fell off a trampoline, not

49:23

a cut on your face. If, if he

49:25

tore, if he came in with torn meniscus,

49:27

that'd be a trampoline. And

49:30

then they found out that he used to rent

49:32

the trailer from the Davis's as well. Um, they

49:34

look at his, you know, they said, all he

49:37

does, he drinks a little bit. He's had some

49:39

marijuana charge. He had a breaking and entering charge.

49:41

That's something that's close, but nothing violent. He kept

49:43

up steady work. He paid his bills for

49:45

his wife and his two daughters. So

49:48

no one really ever looked at, no one was looking

49:50

at him at all. They would have never fought to

49:52

match these prints up with him because you

49:54

couldn't run it through the computer and get a big thing

49:56

like that back then. So, uh, little

50:00

bit more about Philip here. Two

50:02

weeks after the Davis murders, the

50:05

first set, he tried to check himself into

50:07

the state mental hospital. Doctors

50:09

examined him, told him he should seek

50:11

treatment for alcoholism, and sent him home.

50:14

Really? Yeah. So that's

50:17

a problem here. They said

50:19

in the system it's very difficult because

50:21

basically the substance abuse people and

50:24

the mental illness people don't diagnose each other

50:26

crossways very well or treat each other. So

50:28

if you go to a mental institution and

50:30

you say, and you have a substance abuse

50:32

problem, they go, oh you do that. Then

50:34

if you have a substance abuse problem with

50:36

mental illness, which a lot of times helps

50:39

cause and foster substance abuse, then they go,

50:41

well go get mental illness to help. So

50:43

it's tough. They said

50:45

unfortunately one of the things that happens in drug and

50:47

alcohol abuse is that drug and

50:50

alcohol abuse can mask pathology. So mentally people

50:52

don't see it. They shake

50:54

each other's hand. Yeah. And the other thing

50:56

about Philip Engel, both his mother and grandfather

50:58

were schizophrenic as well. Really?

51:00

Which is a problem. Yeah.

51:03

So he comes back September

51:05

12th here. The guy,

51:07

the long-haul truck driver, Hauser's his

51:09

name. He said that Philip

51:13

came back to his house on September 12th,

51:15

so a couple days after the EZ and

51:17

Sarah Willis murders, and he

51:19

had a black eye. And

51:21

he said that he fell and hit a doorknob. Oh

51:24

he did that old chestnut. Yeah he did that. I mean

51:27

I fell down the stairs. I mean his friend

51:31

didn't believe him and said I don't believe

51:33

you. Yeah I think your wife's kicking your

51:35

ass at home. Yeah what's happening?

51:37

Is she, Ruth beaten, or not

51:39

Ruth, her name's Stephanie I think. Stephanie kicking

51:41

your ass. You getting beat up by Stephanie

51:43

again? So she

51:45

said then he brought up again.

51:48

Engel says he's still having trouble with that

51:50

neighbor. Neighbor I'll take care of him for

51:52

you. He said quote I'll kill his whole

51:54

family. Oh my god. I'll get

51:56

a stick. I'll beat them to death. Then

51:59

he said I love to watch people

52:01

dying in agony, pain, suffering. Okay.

52:06

What a weird conversation. Now, he still

52:08

hasn't been arrested yet. I'm giving you

52:10

the background here. They're discovering this

52:12

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53:52

September 19, 1991. Douglas

53:57

Shank Tips. They call him Shank. That's

53:59

his nickname. got TIPPS. He's

54:01

84 and his wife Elizabeth Tips

54:06

is 81. Okay,

54:09

they live about 20 miles outside

54:11

of Cherryville in a mobile home. They

54:13

have no telephone or indoor plumbing. Now,

54:17

Old Shank is a character. He is

54:19

what they called in this area with

54:21

the sheriff called a nightclub entrepreneur. What

54:24

is that? Well, quote, he had an old

54:26

house and he stuck a jukebox in it

54:28

and he brewed up a little squeezins to

54:31

sell out there. A little squeezins. He

54:34

brewed up some squeezins Jimmy. Everybody

54:37

out there, you guys brewing up

54:39

some squeezins tonight? He's

54:42

got a jukebox and homemade hooch. Come on,

54:44

hooch. Yeah, well, cuz this, think about it,

54:47

he's 80. He was born in like 1910.

54:50

Yeah, he's doing this like in the 30s

54:52

in the middle of nowhere in a rural area.

54:54

He's brewing up orange slices. He's

54:56

making a juke joint, basically. Yeah, he said,

54:59

quote, it

55:01

wasn't exactly legal, but it's accepted in this part

55:03

of the country. That's what the sheriff said. So

55:06

in their trailer, they had a television

55:08

and they had heard all about the

55:11

murders and gotten terrified this couple, because

55:13

they fit the exact profile of people

55:15

who've been murdered. So, so much so,

55:17

that old tips, old shank

55:19

tips, started sleeping with a loaded rifle by

55:21

his bed. So

55:23

one night on September 19th, he heard a

55:25

noise and felt a hand on his leg.

55:28

So he grabbed the rifle and started firing

55:30

off into the dark and

55:32

struck his wife with a bullet

55:34

and killed her. Oh my god,

55:36

shank. She was coming back from

55:38

using the the shit pot. Don't

55:42

worry, baby, it's just me and he shot

55:44

her? Shot her to death. Oh

55:46

my god. And then he's

55:48

alone. Just

55:51

horrible. Just him and his squeezes.

55:54

So him and his squeezes. That's

55:56

six dead now in this tale,

55:58

including Joey, Jimmy and her. That

56:00

is just a fight. Wow.

56:03

The sheriff said, Shank's a good old feller

56:05

and he, that's literally what it says and

56:07

I didn't put that in there. Good old

56:10

apostrophe feller. I didn't think good old feller.

56:12

Good old feller and he was extremely remorseful.

56:14

He had just seen all this stuff on

56:16

TV. I think he'd seen something that same

56:19

night and he just got spooked. We

56:21

used to go over to his place and break up

56:23

a few fights now and then, but that shank never

56:25

meant nobody, no harm. I think he meant when it

56:28

was a juke joint. He's

56:30

still living over there in that trailer by himself.

56:32

The whole thing's just a shame and that's about

56:34

all there is to it. Didn't

56:36

it? Okay. What

56:38

is going on? He was

56:41

terrified. This fucking town went nuts. They

56:44

went nuts. So they just go, no

56:46

harm, no foul? He murdered a woman. But it

56:48

was in the dark at night and they thought

56:50

it was an accident. He said he was sitting

56:52

there. Like, you gotta live with that. Sitting there

56:54

with, yeah, with tears coming down his face, his

56:57

wife's blood all over him and I thought she

56:59

was going to kill us all. He

57:05

might have just been smart and been like, I know

57:07

of an excuse that'll get me out of it. Maybe

57:10

he didn't like her. That's what I mean. They

57:12

were married for, I want to say, like 68 years

57:14

or something. He might have just got tired

57:16

of her after a while. 68 years of

57:19

shit. Yeah, 64 years or something. He just

57:21

lost it. So they

57:23

bring in Philip Lee Engel

57:25

for a questioning session. And

57:27

according to this, he immediately confesses to

57:29

everything when they bring him in. Really?

57:31

Not even a second of trying to

57:34

hide it. He knows he's fucked, right?

57:36

Dave gave a detailed account of what happened at

57:38

both crime scenes, directed police to the tire iron

57:40

he used to kill the Willis's, which conveniently was

57:42

still in his car. So he could just get

57:44

it right up there. Kept it. He

57:47

said, they go, well, why'd you do this? Did you

57:49

hate the Davis's? Did they fuck you over? And he

57:51

said, no, I like them. They're nice people. Well,

57:54

what the fuck? He said, I rented a

57:56

trailer from them and they were nice. And he

57:58

said, I also, after the. his dad. I

58:00

learned they were my third cousins. So, you

58:02

know, I had no beef with them. Yeah,

58:07

and his aunt, well, this is all going on,

58:09

his family's like, well, no one would help him

58:11

when he needed help. So yeah, his aunt said

58:13

he needed help. He went to Broughton, which is

58:15

the mental institution, two weeks ago and they sent

58:17

him home. So

58:19

the Davis murders, yeah, he said,

58:22

yeah, I used

58:24

to rent from him, but he said also the

58:26

Davis's, he lived in the mobile home park across

58:28

the street from the church they went to, or

58:31

that's what the Willis's, I'm sorry. That's

58:33

how he found the Willis's. So

58:36

he said between 6pm and

58:38

845, this is what the Davis's, the

58:40

first murders, he was driving around the

58:42

area of the Davis's home between

58:44

6pm and 845pm. He knew the Davis's from renting

58:47

the mobile home. He went to the house and

58:49

drove his car around to the back of the

58:51

house. He parked his car. He took

58:53

an ax handle from it and entered the house

58:55

through the unlocked back door. Walked right

58:58

in. Mrs. Davis was in the

59:00

kitchen. He approached her from behind and began to

59:02

beat her on the head with the ax handle

59:04

until she fell to the floor. After

59:07

doing this, he went into the den

59:09

where Mr. Davis was sitting in his

59:11

recliner watching TV. Because

59:14

he was hard of hearing, television was

59:16

blaring and he had no idea

59:18

he was even there. He moved to the den, attacked

59:20

him. He said he beat him over the head with

59:22

the ax handle and that was

59:24

that. He said he then left the

59:26

house taking the pocketbook and the floral

59:29

pattern dress that belonged to her. So

59:31

that question answered there. He

59:33

went on, he said, to an area about three

59:35

miles away from the house, threw away the dress

59:37

and set fire to the pocketbook. He then departed

59:39

the area. But then he returned to

59:42

the same area to pick up the pocketbook because he said,

59:44

I should probably get rid of this. It says ID

59:47

and shit in it. So he then

59:49

threw the pocketbook and the ax handle into the creek.

59:52

He led law enforcement officers to the spot where

59:54

he threw them out, but they said it was

59:56

the pocketbook is discovered on the bank of the stream

59:58

with the ax handle. never found. Who

1:00:01

knows how far? Yes, in the bottom of the

1:00:03

water somewhere. So police searched some fields where he

1:00:06

said he dumped an axe handle he allegedly used,

1:00:08

but nothing had been found here. They

1:00:10

found traces of the Willis's blood in

1:00:12

the treads of the tennis shoes he

1:00:14

was wearing when they were interviewing him.

1:00:16

Still wearing it. Still fucking wearing them.

1:00:18

He told the police that they'd been

1:00:21

his landlords and he's

1:00:23

fine. He said he got to know the

1:00:25

Davises very well. He

1:00:28

knew them. He said if he had any

1:00:30

quarrel with the couple, it was nothing he

1:00:32

knew about. That's what he said, don't know.

1:00:35

He said this is what the cops

1:00:37

said. Ingle told me he was glad

1:00:39

we caught him. He told me, quote,

1:00:41

I would have killed again. Yeah, I

1:00:43

believe that. Glad you caught me. He said

1:00:45

I'm totally convinced he would have. At one

1:00:48

point, he said that he thought they were

1:00:50

demons with glowing red eyes also. That was

1:00:52

a problem. The cops? No, the old people.

1:00:54

The people he killed. While he was killing

1:00:57

them. Because beforehand they were fine. Also, right

1:01:00

after this, he went to a

1:01:02

highway one night after killing the Davises and

1:01:04

tried to kill himself. That's where he was trying to get people

1:01:06

to hit him with a car, but people were swerving out of

1:01:08

the way. That episode landed him

1:01:10

in a state mental hospital, but they released

1:01:13

him the next day saying his problem was substance

1:01:15

abuse and they kicked him out. If

1:01:17

they would have kept him, he obviously wouldn't have killed

1:01:20

the other people. His

1:01:22

stepfather, C.F. Ingle

1:01:24

here, he said that

1:01:27

Philip kept to himself and he

1:01:29

often suffered blackouts when he drank too much,

1:01:31

but he never seemed the violent type. He

1:01:34

said, we just don't understand it.

1:01:37

I weep for him. There

1:01:39

you go. Now, some of the members of the Ingle

1:01:41

family gathered at the home

1:01:43

of his grandmother, Maxine Willis,

1:01:47

who her husband is E.Z. Willis's

1:01:49

first cousin. Wow.

1:01:52

Yeah, they're all related in a way.

1:01:54

A relative said,

1:01:56

we're confused. I'm fucking confused by the family tree.

1:01:58

First of all, we're confused. of all.

1:02:01

If I'm confused, you got

1:02:03

to be confused here. Yeah,

1:02:06

so the farmer, Seibert McGee,

1:02:08

who said the law killed that boy about

1:02:11

Joey Jimmy, said, quote, they ought to give

1:02:13

him a fair trial and then hang him.

1:02:17

That's what they said. The

1:02:19

Davis's friends, Jim Davis, everyone's

1:02:24

name is Jim or Joe or

1:02:26

something here. He said, they're going to get that

1:02:28

boy out of this somehow. They're going to get

1:02:30

him a lawyer and make him out like he's

1:02:32

crazy. And it ain't right. He killed four good

1:02:34

people. You can't kill him but once. Okay.

1:02:38

Now, the daughter, Sheila, who

1:02:40

found her parents, she says

1:02:42

that she's opposed to the death penalty.

1:02:45

She said, I used to think the death penalty didn't do

1:02:47

any good, but if you had seen your parents the way

1:02:49

I saw mine, that's what he said. So,

1:02:54

Ingalls family has called and said he was suicidal

1:02:56

when they locked him up and they say he

1:02:58

doesn't know why he did it and he wants

1:03:01

my forgiveness, Sheila said. I told him it's not

1:03:03

my forgiveness he needs. So,

1:03:05

the Davis trial's up first, six man,

1:03:07

six woman jury, death penalty on the

1:03:09

table. Hell yeah. He

1:03:12

admits everything. It's all right there. He's obviously convicted. There's no

1:03:14

real trial. What are we going to do? They just go

1:03:17

over the evidence and they go over his statement saying yes,

1:03:19

I beat them with an ax handle. It all matches up.

1:03:21

Right. Should we kill him? Everything

1:03:24

comes around and the prosecutor said there's

1:03:26

never been a more clear cut case for a death

1:03:28

penalty here. Yeah, this guy's going to kill more. He

1:03:30

said if this isn't the case, then there's never been

1:03:32

one and there never ought to have been one in

1:03:35

the past. He said that

1:03:37

his only motive was bloodlust and

1:03:39

perversions. Yeah. That's it.

1:03:41

That's just to

1:03:44

put some extra stank on it. He

1:03:46

said, Philip Ingalls authored and wrote his own

1:03:48

death warrant. We're simply asking you to affix

1:03:51

your signature to the warrant he wrote with

1:03:53

the choices he made and

1:03:55

the life he had. Philip

1:03:57

Ingalls should never be allowed to make

1:03:59

those choices. choices again, enough is enough.

1:04:04

Defense attorney said, uh, he

1:04:06

said, uh, that was pretty

1:04:08

convincing. I

1:04:11

don't know. Um, but, uh, let me

1:04:13

try. Don't affix your name. All right. He

1:04:16

said, no. He said, it's not a question of

1:04:18

whether Philip will be punished. It's a question of how

1:04:20

he's going to be punished. This man has been punished

1:04:22

from the day he was born and then

1:04:25

cited all of his things. What child

1:04:27

tries to hang themselves when they're six?

1:04:29

It's a bad life. It's bad. Psychiatrist

1:04:32

testified that he had borderline personality disorder

1:04:34

that could have been the result of

1:04:36

a psychiatric trauma experience

1:04:38

as a child, uh, testified

1:04:40

that the psychotic episode experience at the time

1:04:42

of the murders was a feature one would

1:04:45

expect to see associated with what he's got

1:04:47

going on here. Um, he

1:04:49

said that the defendant told him that he looked in

1:04:51

the window at the Davises before entering the house. After

1:04:54

doing so, he returned to his car to retrieve

1:04:57

an axe handle and they said that that

1:04:59

could have been the, the grandmother thing could

1:05:01

have whatever. Either way, jury

1:05:03

takes three hours in deciding here. Um,

1:05:06

cause there's the mitigating circumstances are that

1:05:08

he confessed and helped them find the,

1:05:11

the person, all that. Um, also

1:05:13

that as a child, he saw his mother

1:05:15

try to kill herself on multiple occasions by

1:05:17

cutting her wrist. Um,

1:05:19

saw his mother overdosed on drugs

1:05:21

multiple times and he tried to

1:05:23

hang himself as a child and all of

1:05:26

that kind of thing. And he has daughters that are nine and

1:05:28

two at this point. So, and

1:05:30

they say, you sir, may

1:05:32

fuck off two death sentences.

1:05:34

Two of them having a

1:05:37

deuce here. That's two. Holy. It's

1:05:39

the first death sentence delivered by a Cleveland County jury

1:05:41

since 1963. That's

1:05:44

a long time. It's almost 30, if it's 30 years

1:05:46

at that point. Tina, his

1:05:49

sister while leaving the courtroom screamed,

1:05:51

they're murderers too. Uh,

1:05:54

oh. Now at the Willis

1:05:56

trial, he pleads insanity. He

1:05:59

pleads insanity. they're saying he's

1:06:01

schizophrenic here and

1:06:04

they show in this they show one

1:06:06

of the things is they show a videotape of

1:06:08

the kitchen where they found the people

1:06:10

they found the victims here the Willis's and

1:06:13

Sheila the daughter said that was the cane

1:06:15

my daddy made himself that was on the

1:06:17

ground oh for god's sake as

1:06:20

she grasped she had it with her they

1:06:22

let even though damn it's during the trial

1:06:24

so it's evidence so yeah but she you're

1:06:27

allowed to touch evidence I guess once it's

1:06:29

there she said that's when I started screaming

1:06:31

when she saw that they

1:06:33

tried to get the videotape put out

1:06:35

of the case but the

1:06:38

judge said well that's as gruesome as it looked

1:06:40

I mean so that's what it is so

1:06:43

the case here it's obvious they

1:06:45

have a ton of evidence they have the tire iron

1:06:47

even in the car they have a palm print yeah

1:06:50

not looking good here all they have

1:06:52

to depend on is a psychiatrist who

1:06:54

says that he has hereditary schizophrenia said

1:06:58

that he you know goes over the same thing

1:07:00

tried to kill himself tried to hang himself he

1:07:03

Engel talked about demons and Lucifer's

1:07:06

army around the time that

1:07:08

he was killed that the she he was

1:07:11

killing people yeah but they said that he

1:07:13

did make numerous references to demons during the

1:07:15

interviews as well very much in the aliens

1:07:17

yeah they said that he often referred to

1:07:19

his belief in an army of Devils controlling

1:07:22

the world and that he blamed

1:07:24

his violent impulses on voices in his head yeah

1:07:28

they said these are symptoms symptoms

1:07:30

of schizophrenia and they

1:07:32

said both his mother and his maternal

1:07:34

grandfather had been diagnosed with the same

1:07:36

illness and that his prison

1:07:39

nickname is psycho come on that's what they

1:07:41

said literally they said

1:07:43

the people that live with you all

1:07:45

day long sometimes are better diagnosticians than

1:07:48

anybody meaning the prisoners the prosecution

1:07:52

closing said he shouldn't be able to

1:07:54

avoid responsibility for what he's done by

1:07:57

saying I'm sorry and claiming insanity they

1:07:59

said They're seeking the death penalty again, and that's

1:08:02

what they want. The defense said, if

1:08:05

the prosecution had been reading your life, had been reading

1:08:07

you the life story of Philip Engel, he would have

1:08:10

only read you the last two or three pages of

1:08:12

the last chapter. You're going to have to read the

1:08:14

whole book. Said he

1:08:16

grew up with the mother with all the

1:08:18

things we told you about. He said Philip

1:08:21

Engel was in a psychotic state. He had

1:08:23

an obsession with demonology. He did not understand

1:08:25

the quality and nature of his actions. He

1:08:27

didn't know the difference between right and wrong.

1:08:29

Philip Engel's life was a perfect recipe for

1:08:32

disaster. He's crying out for help. So,

1:08:34

that's what they said. They said,

1:08:36

guilty as fuck is the verdict. I

1:08:39

mean, it's obvious he's guilty. It's just whether he

1:08:41

... They say not insane too, just guilty. He

1:08:43

knows right and wrong. He told a man, I'll

1:08:46

kill people for you. I love watching people pay

1:08:48

for suffering and agony. He knows it's not right.

1:08:50

I'm only telling you because I trust you. This

1:08:53

is one of those things where it's so fucked

1:08:55

up. Obviously this guy had no control over

1:08:57

the horrible things that happened to him when he was

1:08:59

younger, but at the same time as a

1:09:01

society, we also can't have him just walking

1:09:03

around. Yeah. You're a

1:09:05

master of your own being. You have

1:09:07

to absorb the consequences of your

1:09:09

own behavior. Whether or not we should

1:09:12

kill crazy people is a whole separate argument that we definitely

1:09:14

don't have time for because we're wrapping this up. An

1:09:17

entirely fucked life and I'm not hurting

1:09:19

people. Yeah. Then you go, well, this

1:09:21

... Who knows? They say, you

1:09:23

sir, may fuck off two more

1:09:25

death sentences. Jesus. So

1:09:27

he's got four. There's the

1:09:29

initial appeal that's the law that

1:09:32

you have to do that's factual stuff that

1:09:34

just didn't railroad you. Then

1:09:36

he refused any post-conviction review

1:09:38

and he wanted all his appeals

1:09:41

drooped. Oh, let's do

1:09:43

it then. He told his lawyer that

1:09:45

he wanted to help North Carolina with

1:09:47

what he was calling their state assisted

1:09:49

suicide program. Oh, great. Okay. Yeah.

1:09:53

His lawyer says that it's a miscarriage

1:09:55

of justice. His client belongs in a

1:09:57

mental institution, not on death row. It

1:10:00

goes all the way to 1995. Now

1:10:03

the two that led to this are

1:10:05

the Davis murders. The Willis murders are

1:10:07

under mandatory appeals review at this point

1:10:09

in time, but he's still up for

1:10:11

execution. Well, figure those out later. Let's

1:10:13

just execute them. Which means,

1:10:15

honestly, if they execute him, then those, actually,

1:10:17

those convictions would be expunged. Yeah, he's not

1:10:20

guilty for those. He wouldn't be guilty of

1:10:22

those at that point. But I don't

1:10:24

think they care if he's dead. Doesn't matter. So there's

1:10:26

a sort of an appeal to the governor here.

1:10:28

A 56 minute videotape is sent to the governor.

1:10:31

Engel says that he needed psychiatric help all

1:10:33

his life. But he says, basically,

1:10:35

he says, what we're asking is, quote,

1:10:37

if possible, after viewing this tape, to consider having

1:10:40

me placed in a mental institute lockup ward where

1:10:42

I can probably get the help that I've tried

1:10:44

to get all my life and was never able

1:10:46

to get. Which he did try several times. If

1:10:49

you are not able to have me placed in

1:10:51

a mental institute for the rest of my life,

1:10:53

I do not want to go back out on

1:10:55

the street. If you can't put me in a

1:10:57

mental institute for the rest of my life, a

1:10:59

lockup ward, I ask to be executed. Okay,

1:11:02

great. He said I'm done. So September

1:11:04

22nd, 1995, execution day. That's

1:11:08

fast. They oblige. Yeah,

1:11:10

they oblige. He said, during

1:11:13

the last four weeks, I felt more loved and more

1:11:15

cared for than I have my whole life, is what

1:11:17

he said. Oh, great. He told

1:11:19

the ward. Not the press. He told the ward

1:11:21

in that. Yeah. That they were nice to him

1:11:23

the last few weeks. That's been great. Wow. So,

1:11:26

because I would imagine in death row, the people

1:11:28

you're going to kill soon, you're probably nicer to

1:11:30

them, just because you kind of feel bad you're

1:11:32

going to kill them. And just for a person.

1:11:35

If you're not a murderer, that'll be on your

1:11:37

conscience. That's what I mean. Yeah. If

1:11:40

you're a half decent person, you'd probably try to be nice to a guy,

1:11:42

even though he's a piece of shit. So he

1:11:44

said that he told,

1:11:46

I guess, his attorney said that if he

1:11:48

changed his mind, the procedure was in place

1:11:50

to get a stay, but he didn't think

1:11:52

that'd be happening. By the way, the Supreme

1:11:54

Court rejected a petition for a stay anyway.

1:11:57

So the lawyer tried to file one. He

1:11:59

said he was looking forward to his execution. Oh,

1:12:01

his sister filed the last minute request to

1:12:04

stop it and they denied it. So

1:12:06

she said that she recounted three generations

1:12:08

of her family including her. They all

1:12:11

suffer from schizophrenia. She viewed her brother's

1:12:13

choice to drop his appeals as yet

1:12:15

another suicide attempt by a man plagued

1:12:17

by mental illness hallucinations and breaks insanity

1:12:20

and reality. And

1:12:22

they also say that they've been keeping

1:12:24

him calm with Xanax in prison. And

1:12:27

he craved Xanax. That's why he wants to keep

1:12:29

this going because he can get Xanax if

1:12:32

he just gets it until he gets executed. A lot

1:12:34

of people have done more than that for Xanax. His

1:12:36

last meal comes along.

1:12:43

He gets a

1:12:45

medium-rare steak, baked potato,

1:12:47

tossed salad, and butter pecan ice

1:12:49

cream. That's

1:12:52

a goddamn good last meal. Fuck man, where's your mac

1:12:54

and cheese and you just wrapped it up, babe? He

1:12:56

didn't go crazy though. He went out like a corporate

1:12:59

retreat at the Outback. That's what he got.

1:13:01

Like everyone can get a steak, a baked

1:13:03

potato, a salad. Let's get after it. Here's

1:13:06

your desserts that you're allowed to have. I'll

1:13:08

have the ice cream. I'll have the butter

1:13:10

pecan ice cream. Good

1:13:13

choices. I

1:13:15

got a $100 gift certificate to the

1:13:17

Outback meal right there. That man just

1:13:19

negated all I'm insane arguments also by

1:13:22

having a very sane meal. He should

1:13:24

have been like, I

1:13:26

want a shoe sole and

1:13:29

some raccoon poop. I

1:13:31

want a Jordan 3 full of cottage cheese.

1:13:33

That's what I want. I want

1:13:36

to eat me a shower curtain. All right, line

1:13:38

it up. Full

1:13:41

of shower curtain rings, please. I

1:13:44

want it served on top of a toolbox.

1:13:46

All right. That

1:13:48

would have been crazy. There's only 9 sixteenths wrenches

1:13:51

in it. Oh

1:13:53

my God. Just those

1:13:55

though. And filled to the top.

1:13:58

He spent his afternoon with his wife.

1:14:00

Sandy and their two daughters. That's nice

1:14:02

to bring your nine-year-old to 10-year-old death

1:14:05

row to see dad. That's terrific Dad

1:14:07

say goodbye to dad kids She

1:14:10

won't be fucked up or anything. Yeah,

1:14:12

they won't be fucked up or anything Oh never

1:14:14

we won't be doing a story about them someday.

1:14:16

I hope Jesus Christ Then

1:14:18

they went outside to join the death

1:14:21

penalty protesters after they were forced to

1:14:23

leave Speaking of last

1:14:25

meals. There's a really weird thing where an

1:14:27

inmate who was like a trustee on death

1:14:29

row Yeah said this was in the 2000s or the

1:14:31

early 2000s late 90s that whenever there was a execution They

1:14:36

had a big staff party Beforehand

1:14:39

they said it was a big meal. They had extra

1:14:41

staff on hand So he said I understand they have

1:14:43

to feed them and you have a big spread But

1:14:45

they also had a big sheet cake like it's not

1:14:47

a birthday party. It's very weird to put a cake

1:14:49

out there Yeah

1:14:52

with what do you put on it? Weird

1:14:56

what do you write on that thing? Yikes. So

1:14:59

that's a good one to write on it. Perfect From

1:15:01

corner to corner just yikes So

1:15:04

as the year wheeling him in on

1:15:06

the gurney to the execution room, he

1:15:08

shouts quote. I'm going to heaven Okay

1:15:12

Then he said I'm not shaking he tells the

1:15:14

warden I'm not shaking I've been put to sleep

1:15:16

and the I'm going to be put to sleep

1:15:18

and the angels are gonna pick me up and

1:15:20

take me To heaven. Okay.

1:15:23

One of the reporters said yeah, he was very

1:15:25

chatty right up until the time you became unconscious

1:15:28

Which will happen? One

1:15:30

of the Witnesses said he kept

1:15:32

talking about being saved. He said I'm saved.

1:15:35

Are you I'm doing this for y'all and

1:15:37

my family and my Children talking about the

1:15:39

families of the victims that were there. Oh

1:15:43

He said I forgive you and everyone

1:15:45

and I ask that everyone who I

1:15:47

have trespassed against to forgive me He

1:15:50

said that to the victims families. He's then he said

1:15:52

again. I want to say I forgive you all He

1:15:55

said life without parole is worse than

1:15:57

the death penalty Okay,

1:15:59

and then And he said, I love you, I love

1:16:01

you all. And then at 214, he was dead.

1:16:04

Seems like he had a lot of thoughts. He kept

1:16:06

saying, and then he had a long written statement he

1:16:08

gave to Warden too. That was just the shit he

1:16:10

was spouting as he was laying there, just talking. That

1:16:12

wasn't one of your last words. He was just like,

1:16:14

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

1:16:16

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So

1:16:18

the reactions here, the sheriff, or Detective

1:16:21

R. H. Epley said, it's important to

1:16:23

see justice fulfilled. You didn't walk

1:16:25

into that house if people, you didn't walk into

1:16:27

that house. If people who are against the death

1:16:29

penalty saw what happened or what happened to, what

1:16:32

happened or what happened, if this happened to

1:16:34

their family, their minds would be changed in a split second.

1:16:36

He knew the family four or five years and lived in

1:16:39

a mobile home. They had rented out. He

1:16:41

was riding around drinking and smoking pot and said

1:16:43

the devil told him to kill an old couple

1:16:45

and he came up with the Davises. He made

1:16:47

the statement. He was glad he got caught because

1:16:49

he made plans, had already made plans for the

1:16:51

next victim. But this will deter crime because

1:16:53

he won't do it again. Now the

1:16:56

guy outside who's a pastor, a reverend or

1:16:58

something, who's the anti-death penalty guy, he said

1:17:00

there's nothing in the death penalty that will

1:17:02

bring the Davises or the Willises back. So

1:17:05

there you go. We're not going to solve this argument. Strange

1:17:09

thing happened, by the way. Sheila, the

1:17:11

Willises' daughter, was at Walmart buying

1:17:14

Christmas presents and

1:17:16

a woman she recognized but couldn't place came

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up and hugged her tightly and

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quote, she asked me how I'd been and said she

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was hurting for me and said she was hurting too.

1:17:26

She said she couldn't know how I felt and she

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said she was praying for me. After

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she left, she realized it was Philip Ingalls' mother. We

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both lost people. Oh my

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God. In the wrap up here, Joel

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Wong is a Cherryville native and ordained

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1:17:53

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1:17:55

saying this house is protected by some burglar

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alarm system company. He said

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shield when the invisible force field We put

1:18:06

up was broken another one took its place

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