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of a little bit over two hours

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to memphis at the most as big

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missouri which was our last missouri episode

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number that was the one with the

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oh ladies and now the wild one

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he said was about the avenue came

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out right around christmas as as a

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new madrid county noom with read news

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this is new madrid i'm sure it's

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just as much he absolutely out at

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this is a town of seventy eight

7:48

people by the way noom address hit

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brand new seventy eight people of the

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population and only the law it's point

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four five square miles it's a little

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tiny little town median household income hear

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about forty seven thousand doll a year,

8:00

which is way below the national average.

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And then the median home cost here, the

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median home cost here is

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below the national average for

8:09

household income. What? The

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median household income in America is almost

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$70,000. The median

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home cost here is $62,000. The

8:20

average person with enough write-offs can buy a

8:22

home here in one year's salary. Done.

8:27

Here's my mortgage payment, $112. Have

8:30

a good one. Like, wow. What the

8:32

fuck? That is awesome. It's great. It's great.

8:34

A little bit of history here. It was

8:36

laid out in 1902. Someone

8:39

came out and just cold-cocked it right in the jaw, laid it out

8:41

in 1902. It was named

8:43

after Tallapusa County, Alabama. Oh,

8:45

yeah. Of course. I

8:47

was going to say it sounds like something

8:49

in Alabama. It is. And there's also a

8:51

Tallapusa Georgia. And I think there's a... Is

8:53

there really? I believe there's a Michigan

8:55

as well, a Tallapusa Michigan as well. What is a Tallapusa?

8:58

Is it a Native American word? It

9:00

is a name of Creek origin, Creek Indians.

9:03

Many Creek villages were located along the banks

9:05

of the Lower River before all the removal

9:09

came. All those ugly. Yeah.

9:11

For Andrew Jackson did some stuff there.

9:14

Tallapusa, Alabama was named after

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the Tallapusa River. Now they

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think Tallapusa either means pulverized

9:21

rock in Choctaw or

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grandmother town in Muskogee.

9:27

One of the two. I don't know. But

9:30

they've had a post office since 1915. So good

9:32

for them, I guess. I don't know. All right.

9:34

Reviews of this town. Let's find out because we've

9:36

never been there. Hardly anyone has. There's only 78

9:39

goddamn people there. So here's

9:41

three stars. And that's the best we could find is

9:43

three stars. The community is

9:45

small and tight knit, which is often a good

9:47

thing. However, if you're from out

9:50

of town or different, it's very difficult

9:52

to be accepted by some of the

9:54

powerful cliques. Oh, powerful. However,

9:56

it's 78 people. With

9:58

No money. No. More kids in

10:00

my high school cafeteria during any lunch period.

10:03

That isn't this whole town's I could see

10:05

that money it is generally where the power

10:07

comes from. Prices? Yeah, don't think anyone has

10:09

any of that. I think it isn't just

10:11

a matter of the average American could ruin

10:13

this all down. I've we're all went in

10:16

there and bought every how. To

10:18

the price of one house with the average

10:20

price of one house you could buy five

10:22

year south if Isis a lot. Overall,

10:25

I give it a three star rating because it

10:28

is quite the cute town and does have a

10:30

lot of good people. Okay, here

10:32

is three stars. Little quite everybody's does

10:34

quite when they be very i have

10:37

like or that at so weird I'm

10:39

is I in Southeast Missouri. it's also

10:41

known as the Boot Heel of Missouri.

10:43

There's nothing at all to do here.

10:45

For funds you have to go three

10:48

towns over to watch a movie. The.

10:51

Reads how he does in a movie theater.

10:53

Three Towns. This is like that, like in

10:55

the Dust Bowl. They talk about that when

10:58

we go three towns over to watch a

11:00

picture. shouts sounds over. Well. You

11:02

watch a movie and they only play one feature

11:04

film and of times it's a single screen so

11:06

it's on all of the masks there's It's truly

11:08

it's the middle of nowhere and I'd like to

11:11

move to a rural area a little closer to

11:13

a city. In L a summary like

11:15

the rural shit though, they just want to be near.

11:17

they want to be able to drive. You.

11:19

Know the reason of yeah you have to

11:21

drive two hours to go to the multiplex

11:23

they are have a choice and finally to

11:25

stars. Over the last four years the crime

11:28

rate in my town has gone up. There

11:31

seventy eight people. What What the fuck?

11:33

A baby? Derek sad of the crazy

11:35

around here after midnight I would think

11:37

you could clear out the bad element

11:39

in like fifteen minutes. That three guy

11:41

wasn't ever have a phone call it.

11:43

Yeah, all the guy belly. as

11:45

gold i am shit out you son

11:47

of a bitch at and loud crimes

11:49

my own the younger generation thinks it's

11:52

cool and fun to go out and

11:54

suit and others and put lives in

11:56

danger there shootings in the town of

11:58

seventy eight people The younger generation,

12:00

I mean, call their dad, you know who's doing it.

12:03

They think it's cool and fun. Yeah.

12:05

The younger generation here is 11 people. 11

12:08

people. Most of the crimes happen

12:10

on one side of town. Oh, the bad

12:12

side. Oh, there it is. They have like

12:15

36 bad people that live there. On

12:17

the other side of Bill's house. Jesus Christ.

12:19

There's no tracks. No,

12:21

there's no tracks that go through here. Police

12:23

officers are always patrolling in that area, and

12:25

the police station is not far from the

12:28

area the crime takes place. I would assume

12:30

the police station isn't far from anything in the town

12:32

because it's a fucking 0.45

12:34

square mile town. What are you talking about?

12:38

Things to do here. This is fun. This is in

12:40

the, there's a town 10 minutes from here. That's

12:42

like, they call that like going to town. Yeah.

12:45

And that has 3,500 people in it, that

12:47

town. So yeah, that's why you

12:50

have to go past that for more movies. 3576

12:54

for both these towns combined. That's it.

12:56

That's Malden is this town. Okay. They

12:59

have Mardi Gras and Malden. It's

13:04

everywhere, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure. It's

13:06

very hedonistic. It

13:08

says Fat Tuesday, or very popularly known

13:10

as Mardi Gras, calls for a lot

13:13

of scrumptious food and bright color costumes.

13:15

It calls for more than that. You

13:18

don't have. You

13:20

just, you can't just say, here's food and I put

13:22

a costume on. It's Mardi Gras now. Do you think

13:24

of food when you think of Mardi Gras in New

13:27

Orleans? I don't. I never even thought

13:29

of food, honestly. I think of booze and tits.

13:31

That's it. Booze, tits, and the smell of vomit

13:33

and urine permeating throughout the streets.

13:35

That's it. That's it. Beads,

13:38

with all things green, golden, and brown,

13:40

have a blast at the extravagant Mardi

13:42

Gras parade, witness huge floats and a

13:45

mass of people at the street parties.

13:47

There's going to be dozens of people

13:49

there. Dozens.

13:52

Upwards of 60. But

13:54

maybe this is for us. The festival is not

13:56

all parades and costume. Here come the tits. Okay,

13:59

here we go. You will find

14:01

some of the greatest of events, okay,

14:04

ranging from paint parties. That's not what

14:06

I was looking for. Some paint and

14:08

titties. Mardi Gras walking

14:10

tours. Yep, nope, that's not it at

14:12

all. And

14:14

also the Malden Autumnfest, which

14:16

takes place at the Malden Industrial Park. Where's

14:18

where I want to go? The

14:22

leaves changing there for a bad reason.

14:25

For all the smoke being pushed into.

14:28

But there will be a petting zoo and

14:30

pony ride, so yay. All right, there we

14:32

go. That said, let's talk about a murder,

14:34

or more than one. Oh boy.

14:36

Holy shit. Okay, let's go here back

14:38

in time a little bit. Not too

14:40

far. December of 1996, let's go to.

14:44

Okay, let's talk about a lady here.

14:47

Shirley Niswanger. N-I-S-W-O-N-G-E-R.

14:50

Niswanger. Yeah, that's

14:53

Shirley. That's pronounced.

14:57

That's the only way I can think of to pronounce

14:59

it. Now Shirley, she's

15:01

about 37 in this time period in

15:03

the 90s. She's

15:05

going out with a guy for about three years. And

15:09

they're a terrible couple. Perfect. They're one

15:11

of these couples that I'll show you

15:13

when I look through it. When you

15:15

look through the newspaper, they're constantly getting

15:17

arrested together. Together. That couple.

15:20

Together. Crackhead couple that gets arrested

15:22

together, that's that. From 1993 to 1996, she is

15:24

with a man named Cecil Baraner. B-A-R-R-I-N-E-R.

15:30

Cecil. Yeah. Cecil's

15:33

a couple years younger. He's born in 1962. So

15:36

he's about 34 and 96. Lot

15:40

of run-ins with the law here. Now Shirley

15:42

has a son and a daughter. We'll talk about

15:44

her family quick. She's

15:47

got a 19-year-old daughter

15:49

named Candice Sisk. S-I-S-K.

15:52

And she goes by Candi. She's 19.

15:55

She's also got a mother. This is

15:57

Shirley as a mother named Irene Sisk. 74

16:00

years old at the time and Irene's

16:03

dad and I'm sorry, Shirley's dad

16:05

and Irene's husband, Obie had

16:07

just died in April of 96.

16:09

So 96 is yeah some

16:11

transition she breaks up with her boyfriend.

16:14

It's a tough time. Now um she

16:17

the her mom and dad, Shirley's mom and dad,

16:19

she used to borrow money from them all the

16:21

time. She's a mess and

16:24

a crackhead like I said there's all sorts of

16:26

drug problems. Definitely has a chemical dependency. Yeah absolutely.

16:28

Oh yeah well we'll go through

16:30

the whole timeline of it through the

16:33

newspaper arrests that I found. So

16:37

Cecil and Shirley at least a

16:39

few times went to Irene and

16:42

Obie's house to borrow money but

16:44

Cecil always waited out in the car because they didn't like

16:46

him. Oh. For good reason

16:48

because he's a scumbag. So that

16:51

wasn't gonna help. I brought my scumbag boyfriend here.

16:53

Will you give me money? Cecil's

16:55

with me. Cecil's with me. Hi guys. And

16:58

he oh when you see the guy too

17:00

he's such a dirtbag. So the

17:03

Cecil thinks that her parents have some money

17:05

and like her family has some money but

17:08

she doesn't obviously Shirley. Now

17:10

their relationship, let's go over a little

17:12

bit here. Yeah. They get together in early 1993

17:16

and their bond forms very

17:18

quickly which will happen when you start

17:20

getting arrested together. That'll do it. That'll bond

17:23

you. Yeah as you're getting your rights read

17:25

as one. We'll

17:27

never say it once. You're either gonna

17:30

turn on each other and start going, I didn't

17:32

know she had no meth on her. Yeah. Or

17:34

you're gonna be like don't you touch her like

17:36

that you leave him alone and you'll come close.

17:38

Let me out of my cup. Yeah I'll kick

17:40

your ass from coughing my woman like that. So

17:43

Cecil here in 1993 and Shirley are arrested at 514 p.m. on a Saturday

17:45

on a

17:54

suspicion of peace disturbance. So disturbing

17:56

the peace at 5 o'clock

17:58

in the afternoon on a Saturday. That's

18:00

a long afternoon. Dude, you can play

18:03

music as loud as you want at

18:05

five o'clock on a Saturday. You can

18:07

do anything you basically... What do

18:09

you have to do to disturb? There's

18:11

gotta be screens, man. Oh yeah. Cecil,

18:15

during this, was also booked on suspicion of domestic

18:17

violence and assault as well. Okay, yeah. There's the

18:19

disturbance. There's the disturbance. But both of them were

18:21

arrested because they were doing something. I guess they

18:24

were fighting too. So she hit too. Yeah, I

18:26

think the whole thing was just a mess. Then

18:29

by August 9th, 1993, they're in

18:31

a motel together, the Stadium Motel,

18:34

which I'm sure is top tier.

18:36

I'm sure there's no stadium nearby. There

18:40

isn't. It's in this area. There's nothing

18:42

nearby. The Stadium Motel here,

18:44

they're both arrested after officers serve

18:46

a search warrant at 4.45 in

18:49

the morning. In their

18:51

hotel room? In their motel room. Wow. They

18:55

get raided at 4.45 a.m., which

18:57

is when they think you're up

18:59

to size. They get arrested on

19:01

suspicion of possession of methamphetamine. They're

19:04

both booked. Both are held in lieu of

19:06

$25,000 bond because they don't have that. According

19:09

to the records, this was in Poplar Bluff

19:12

nearby, they served a search warrant

19:14

on the motel room and found a quarter

19:16

gram of meth. That's

19:20

not worth a raid. That's all that's left. Yeah, it's

19:22

4.45. They thought there was more. They've been

19:24

doing it all night. You should have caught

19:26

them at 10 o'clock when they just picked up. They

19:30

also found tons of drug paraphernalia, including syringes

19:32

with drug residue in them. Oh, they're shooting

19:34

it. They're shooting up. Oh,

19:36

fuck. This isn't good. They're so

19:39

deep. So November 1993,

19:41

they are sentenced for

19:43

this and they are

19:45

each placed on, well, you, sir and ma'am,

19:47

may fuck off. Five

19:49

years probation. They plead guilty to

19:51

this for possession of

19:53

meth and Cecil

19:56

is sentenced to three years in prison,

19:58

but it's suspended. Okay And

20:02

his he has to do 300 hours

20:04

of community service and be subject to

20:06

60 days shocked attention Which I

20:08

don't know what that is. I have

20:11

no idea what that is Surely

20:14

those those conditions he's fucked. He's he's not

20:16

gonna that's he's never going to apply that

20:18

all that That's the thing and they keep

20:21

getting arrested because of this probation violation We

20:23

see this with crime and sports a lot

20:25

once the guy's on probation or parole then

20:27

every time he's driving without a license I'm

20:29

he's doing this now. It's another arrest. They

20:31

just saddled in a meth addict who already

20:34

has a lifelong issue

20:36

with eight years of Problems

20:39

they gave him responsibilities and said here

20:41

take care of this and

20:43

if you don't do it eight years around

20:45

hanging around his neck That's not good. So

20:48

Shirley receives suspended imposition of

20:50

sentencing as well her probation

20:52

includes 250 hours of community

20:55

service and a Pay

20:57

crime victims fund which I don't know what the

20:59

hell is fine. I imagine yeah. Yeah, I would

21:01

say that's where it goes I was like, there's

21:03

really no victims to this other than

21:05

her kids. Maybe other than that. I was a

21:07

lot of victims a hotel Whoever

21:10

has to clean up their shit. They

21:12

do that every day though. I'm gonna say the

21:14

stadium motel I think that's pretty standard. They're used

21:16

to it. Go ahead and do a syringe sweep

21:19

would you okay? Thanks? That's every morning. So

21:21

July 21st Shirley

21:25

is arrested and booked into jail on

21:27

a warrant for bad checks. She's writing

21:30

she's doing that too Yeah, well,

21:32

that's that's meth shit. Everything she's doing is

21:34

meth shit. Yeah, but you know, that's a

21:36

that's a heavy crime with those Yeah,

21:39

that's July 94 August 23rd 94 We

21:44

have Cecil is arrested

21:46

here Shirley

21:48

as well the two of them arrested together at

21:51

the 800 block

21:53

of South Sea Street following

21:55

an incident at the Iron Horse Saloon.

21:57

Yep Jesus

22:00

Christ these two and a guy

22:02

named Terry Cheney are all arrested

22:04

together Cheney was arrested

22:06

on municipal warrants and suspicion of

22:08

a fray and peace disturbance of

22:10

fighting Shirley and

22:13

Cecil were arrested on suspicion of a fray

22:15

and peace disturbance as well. So they're fighting

22:17

at the Iron Horse Saloon We

22:20

don't know with each other with Terry with somebody

22:22

else who the fuck knows fighting at

22:24

a saloon post I don't know

22:27

589 yeah, that's weird. Yeah

22:29

at a saloon not a bar No,

22:32

not a sports bar a strip club

22:34

or something. That's the weirdest one guys

22:36

getting fights at strip clubs I'm like

22:39

there is there are tits out decorum,

22:41

please gentlemen Jesus Christ Put your hands

22:43

back in your pockets order

22:45

order the court there is a tits out

22:48

You respect that goddamn it show

22:51

some respect for those nipples You

22:53

stop Trying to this

22:55

the cops here now Jesus. They should

22:58

be trying to do different fistas here

23:02

You awful person yeah, even that's

23:04

weird so December 1995 again

23:08

Cecil of course is arrested

23:11

for Violating probation

23:14

sure obviously He

23:16

is admitted. He was responsible for a

23:18

burglary that occurred on August 7th 1995

23:23

Yeah He

23:26

also admitted to association with a known

23:28

felon and admitted to using

23:30

and possessing drugs So he's

23:33

in deep shit by the way at some point

23:35

in his life And I can't find when exactly

23:37

it is but at some point in his life.

23:39

He is he

23:42

is accused of murder and Arrested

23:44

for it and then released and

23:47

no charges are end up being filed Evidence

23:50

or who knows they found somebody else we don't

23:53

know that's I don't know the details of it

23:55

But he was arrested you're under arrest for murder

23:57

somebody yeah, man. Well they put cuffs on

23:59

him And they somehow hashed it out

24:01

before he spent the rest of his life. Yup,

24:03

and then he was free to do all of

24:05

this garbage. So fall of 1996 surely

24:08

breaks up with Cecil. She's

24:10

had enough. Fuck. Yeah,

24:13

it's just... No, these two...

24:16

The court should order. You're not allowed to

24:18

be with each other anymore. I wish we

24:20

could court order people to stay the fuck

24:22

away from each other when they're in relationships.

24:24

Court order broke up. Break up. Yup, if

24:26

we see you together, you're both under arrest.

24:28

No one's gonna be at fault. Everyone's going

24:30

to jail. We see you talking on Bumble.

24:32

It's over. Yeah, it's over

24:34

with. Email. Nothing. WhatsApp.

24:37

We will fucking find that shit. We

24:39

don't care. Get off the kick. Yes,

24:41

they fight all the time. One

24:45

of the fights that caused her to break

24:47

up with him was the fact that during

24:49

a fight, he threatened to quote,

24:51

take her son out in the woods and shoot

24:53

him. Oh my,

24:55

they're really fighting for real. That's

24:58

a fight. That's a big fight. Wow. So

25:01

Shirley ends up going back to jail right after

25:03

that. So she's gonna spend Christmas of 96 in

25:05

jail. So

25:07

she spends... In the fall, she goes in

25:09

and she's remaining for a while. So her

25:12

daughter, Candy, remember her? She's 19. She

25:15

moves in with Irene to

25:17

try to help Irene out a little bit. The

25:20

74-year-old, his husband died this year. So

25:22

she moves in there. So Candy's living

25:24

with Irene. So 19-year-old and a 74-year-old

25:26

are gonna live... That's a sitcom right

25:28

there. That's an 80s sitcom. How

25:32

was that not one? It was. It's

25:34

a lot of bad sitcoms. In

25:37

the 80s, they made like 10 different sitcoms

25:39

about old people moving in with young people.

25:42

There's one about Mickey Rooney going to

25:44

college. It's fucking insane. Literally,

25:47

he's like in a dorm,

25:49

like grandpa's dorm room or some shit

25:51

it's called. It's like him with a sideways hat

25:53

on. I'm one of the kids. I

25:55

knew Greg Geraldo had a show but I never saw it

25:58

or knew what it was about. I

26:00

watched a documentary about him and I saw what the

26:02

show was. I'm not shocked

26:04

that it failed. It was him as a lawyer,

26:06

just because he was ethnic and a lawyer. Yeah,

26:08

get the fuck out of here. That's not the

26:10

best use of Greg Giroir, no. It's

26:13

crazy. It's a Mexican lawyer. It's

26:15

wild. It's crazy. So what

26:18

could be more fish

26:20

out of water than that? That's

26:26

so stupid. Put it on the network right

26:28

now. It's those old sitcoms,

26:30

man. So December 1996, Cecil

26:33

thinks he failed a piss test for

26:37

probation here. So he's concerned

26:39

his probation will be revoked. Now

26:42

he lives in Poplar Bluff and

26:44

he wants to flee the area

26:46

to get away from his probation violation.

26:49

Oh, he's going to... Okay. Rather

26:51

than deal with it, he's like, I'll

26:53

flee. I'm going to go on the

26:55

lam about my probation. Yeah, he'll never

26:57

find me. Good choice. He was go...

27:00

So his plan was to go to

27:02

Candy and Irene's house here to

27:05

try to get some money from them because he

27:07

knows that Irene has money. So he's going to

27:09

try to get Irene to give him some money

27:12

and hopefully he'll be able to

27:14

talk her into it. Some crackhead fucking

27:16

bullshit. She's going to be able to afford

27:19

to give him enough money to evade the

27:21

law for the rest of his life. Okay.

27:24

He thinks, by the way, do you know how much money he thinks

27:26

will accomplish this task? Three grand. A thousand dollars.

27:31

A thousand dollars will get him away from the long

27:33

arm of the law for a

27:35

comfortable life. Forever. Don't

27:37

mind me, little grain. I'm going to take it. I'm

27:39

going to buy some land out west. Oh,

27:42

I hear Wyoming's beautiful. I'm going to buy

27:44

me some ranch. Does he think

27:46

there's a fucking land grab somewhere that you

27:48

can just... I don't know. And

27:51

then what? And then what? He just saw

27:53

that Tom Cruise movie where they were going

27:55

to... whatever fucking one that was, I don't

27:57

remember. Far and away? Far and away, yeah.

27:59

Having the cold... Kidman there before

28:01

they hated each other. So

28:03

at December 16, 1996, at 8.45 a.m., Shirley's in jail, Candy

28:05

and Irene are living together. Cecil's

28:13

looking for a way to flee. She

28:15

needs a grand, man. I need $1,000. She

28:18

sounds like Stevie. $1,000 cash. $1,000

28:22

cash. Candy calls

28:25

her Aunt Debbie up, who is

28:27

Shirley's sister, Irene's daughter. Candy

28:30

Dubois is her name. Oh, she's the French

28:32

one. She's got all the money. I married

28:34

a fancy Frenchman. What do you think of

28:37

that? So Candy said a man came

28:39

over to the house a little while ago,

28:42

and Candy said the man told Irene, she

28:44

just heard talking in the front. Candy

28:47

didn't see the man. She heard that

28:49

the man was talking to her grandmother and

28:51

saying that he had a Christmas gift for

28:54

Candy from her mother in jail, which

28:57

is nice. When your mom's in jail

28:59

for Christmas, you want a strange man to come over

29:01

and bring a Christmas gift from her usually. That

29:03

really helps a lot. I

29:06

don't think my kids would ever get that

29:08

because they'd never get that gift because they

29:10

already know that a strange man saying, your

29:12

dad told me to do this for you,

29:14

they will run like their hair's on fire.

29:18

He's got a gift, though. No, he doesn't. I

29:21

got some candy. Just tell her it's in my van and I'll

29:23

be waiting for her. So

29:26

Candy told her

29:28

aunt that Irene said that the man

29:31

acted strangely and that the same man

29:33

had been in Tallapusa the day before

29:35

asking for directions to this house because

29:38

it's such a small town if someone asks directions

29:40

to your house, someone tells you, there's a guy

29:43

asking for directions to your house. Wow.

29:45

It's just the way it is. Also, you can just

29:47

go to the center of town and say, you know

29:49

where the cisks live? They'll go, oh yeah, it's right

29:51

down there. Everybody knows. There's a man asking

29:53

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29:56

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but she can't get a hold of the guy. So

32:49

Debbie then calls Candy and told

32:51

her that, keep calling this guy.

32:55

I'm at work, so Candy, you keep calling. If you

32:57

can't get a hold of him, call

33:00

me again at work if the guy

33:02

comes back. She works at the elementary

33:04

school. Several

33:07

minutes after 9 a.m. that morning, so

33:09

this is 15 minutes after the first

33:11

phone call, about 20 minutes, a

33:13

bank teller at a bank

33:15

in nearby Risco, which is a town, small

33:18

town, attended to a

33:20

man driving a white Ford

33:22

Taurus. The teller

33:24

saw Candy riding in the passenger

33:26

seat, dressed in a nightgown

33:28

and wrapped in a blanket, which is usually

33:31

not banking attire. It's

33:33

bizarre running around behavior. Yeah, they're in the

33:35

car, though, in this drive-thru. Does she have

33:37

the flu? What's the problem? She

33:39

saw, the teller also saw another person in

33:42

the rear seat of the car. Candy actually

33:44

just had a surgery to have a disc

33:46

in her back removed, so she's actually not

33:48

supposed to be going anywhere for about six

33:50

weeks. Oh, fuck. So Candy's in a lot

33:52

of pain, and that's the granddaughter, not the

33:54

grandmother. Her back's fucked up. So,

33:57

Grandma, help me, my back's fucked up. that

34:00

very often. That's a tough

34:02

sympathy getter. Yeah. You think your back's

34:04

fucked up. So the driver gives the

34:06

teller a check in the amount of

34:08

$1,000, the man, signed by Candy and

34:10

to be drawn on her account. After

34:13

having Candy sign the cash receipt, the teller gives the

34:16

man $1,000 in cash with $100 and

34:20

$20 bills as he requested. So $900 and $520

34:22

is what he wants. So about 1045 that morning,

34:24

Debbie Dubois

34:28

tries to call back. She calls at least

34:30

twice and nobody answers. Just

34:32

rings and rings and rings. So Debbie

34:34

was concerned because one telephone

34:37

line had an answering machine. So why isn't

34:39

the answering machine even picking up? Yeah. What's

34:41

going on? What's going on with that? And

34:43

Candy is had, she had surgery four days

34:45

ago. She's not supposed to leave the house.

34:47

She's not even, she's not even close. No, she's on

34:50

pain pills and shit. She's hurt. And so where are

34:52

the help that they have? Yeah. I've

34:54

gone relying on whatever's holding that

34:56

incision together to keep them bleeding.

34:58

Stitches and shit. So Debbie

35:01

drives over to the house and

35:03

when she enters, she said she entered

35:05

through the carport and into the kitchen

35:07

from there. She

35:10

saw a light coming from Candy's bedroom

35:12

and followed it. So maybe they're

35:14

in there. Entering the

35:16

room, she saw Candy in

35:19

there. Her body is in there. She

35:21

is dead. She's lying

35:23

across the bed. Debbie describes it

35:25

as quote, her neck was chopped

35:27

up and

35:29

a knife was sticking out of her chest, literally

35:32

protruding from her chest, just stuck in

35:35

there. 19 year old kid. 19 year

35:37

old. Her nightgown had been pulled up and

35:39

she's not wearing any underwear either. And

35:42

one or two drawers had been pulled

35:45

out and dumped, she said also. Damn

35:48

it. And she said, I turned and saw

35:50

my mother. Oh, no.

35:53

I knew instantly she was dead. Debbie

35:56

said she saw cords in Irene's

35:58

room and thought. she had got, I

36:00

thought she had got the phone down and she

36:03

said she later realized that

36:06

Irene's bedroom was caddy corner from her granddaughter,

36:08

from Candies and Irene was lying in a

36:10

pool of blood on the floor with

36:13

her head facing the granddaughter's room. It's

36:16

horrific. Debbie said, I just ran

36:19

first into the living room to look for the phone

36:21

and she couldn't find the phone. The phone's usually sitting

36:23

in one place. An old lady's house, the phone's in

36:25

one place. It's gone. Phone's

36:28

gone. So she doesn't know what the fuck.

36:30

So she ran into the kitchen and that phone was

36:32

gone too. So she's

36:34

like, fuck. So she ran and she doesn't know, holy

36:36

fuck, is this person still in the house? Right.

36:39

What's going on? Now the phones are missing. This

36:41

is terror. I'm going to turn around and there's

36:43

going to be a guy standing there with a

36:45

big knife or something. It's like a horror movie.

36:47

Two phones ready to beat you. We have two

36:49

phones to beat. I'll bash you on the side

36:51

of the head. Yeah. A new murder weapon we

36:53

haven't had yet. So she runs out the carport

36:55

and notices blood on the inside of the door

36:57

as she does that. She didn't notice it on

36:59

the way in. She wasn't paying attention. Right. And

37:01

it's going out. So she's seeing it. So she

37:03

said I just had to be with someone. So

37:05

she drove to a nearby store where her brother

37:07

worked and told him what happened and called the cops. So

37:11

Candy's body was on the bed. Her

37:13

hands were bound in front of her with rope.

37:16

Oh no. She was unclothed below

37:18

the waist. A pair of sweatpants and a

37:20

pair of underwear were on the floor nearby.

37:24

Her neck had been slashed six

37:26

to eight times. Yikes. Horrible.

37:28

A knife sticking out of her chest. A large knife

37:30

by the way. Not a

37:33

small one. Like a six-inch blade. The

37:36

autopsy reveals that she bled to death from the

37:38

neck slashes and that the knife was thrust into

37:40

her chest after she died. So it was just

37:42

a fuck you type of thing. Several

37:45

bite marks are identified on her left

37:47

breast as well. She

37:50

also... There

37:52

is also lacerations

37:54

to her vaginal area and

37:57

a blunt object has

37:59

been anally

38:01

inserted. Oh no! Yes, a

38:04

blunt object which we will find out is a dildo.

38:06

Really? It has been

38:08

inserted, yes. Did

38:10

they leave it? Leave it in

38:13

there. Oh jeez! Absolutely. Irene's

38:16

body is on the floor next to

38:18

the bed in her bedroom. She was

38:21

hog-tied. Hog-tied grandma. Very

38:23

nice. Her wrists

38:25

and ankles bound together with the same length

38:27

of rope, exact same length that is

38:30

used to tie up candy. Really? Yeah.

38:32

That's proper, right? Yeah, these are

38:34

exact lengths of rope. An

38:36

autopsy revealed here that 17 superficial

38:39

stab wounds in a localized area

38:41

in her left chest, five of

38:43

which penetrated the chest cavity and

38:45

lung, and they were inflicted.

38:47

She took her 15 to 45 minutes to

38:50

die from this, to drown in her own

38:53

blood. That's nice. And three

38:55

deep slashes in her throat

38:57

also didn't hurt either. So

39:00

horrible shit. They said the

39:03

knife entered Candace's, the one

39:05

in her chest, entered the body through

39:07

her sternum, passed entirely through her

39:09

heart, and stopped next to her

39:13

backbone. That's like great! Five inch

39:15

deep wound. That's a strong person

39:17

to do that. Fuck,

39:20

they'd have to be. And her throat was slashed, like we

39:22

said. They said in addition to

39:24

the knife to her heart, her left jugular

39:26

was cut, her trachea was cut through, and

39:29

both the right carotid artery and

39:31

jugular vein were completely severed. Almost

39:33

took her head off. Why

39:35

would you? This is so much. They

39:38

also said there were three abrasions to

39:40

her left nipple, which were interpreted as

39:43

bite marks. They said, obviously, they said

39:46

the anal insertion happened at the time of

39:49

or after death. So this is just anger.

39:53

Anger. Why are they so mad at her?

39:56

It's fucking insane, man.

39:58

I don't even know. So

40:00

17 stab wounds on grandma as well, five

40:03

of which penetrated her lung. Her

40:05

throat was severed, both her carotid artery and

40:08

her trachea, and three stab wounds in

40:10

her left neck as well. These

40:12

stab wounds are different than all the other stab

40:14

wounds. These are consistent with the blade of a

40:16

pair of scissors. So stab,

40:19

stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, leave

40:21

the knife in candy, come back

40:23

to her, now I

40:25

need another knife. Now I'll

40:27

stab her off, finish her off with these scissors, I

40:29

think. So Debbie, like we

40:31

said, she went to the brother. When

40:34

the police arrived, they found

40:36

the purses of candy and Irene near

40:38

their bodies. Each

40:41

had been opened. There were two checkbooks

40:43

lying near Irene's purse. One of

40:45

the checkbooks, and one of them was a check for $1,000 that had

40:47

been made out to cash but

40:50

not signed. A

40:52

TV and a VCR were missing from

40:54

candy's bedroom. They

40:56

also found an empty box for

40:58

the videotape of Independence Day, which

41:01

just came out on video. Brand

41:03

new. Just came out. Like, she must have

41:06

just bought this shit probably because she had

41:08

surgery. Yeah, this is, they still think it's

41:10

a great movie. She's probably got something to

41:12

watch while she's recovering. Yeah, they're like, oh

41:14

man, that Bill Coleman or Paxton or whoever

41:16

he is, boy, he inspires us all. I

41:19

couldn't get a new Will Smith. I think it's a

41:21

Will Smith movie with you. Oh my God. So

41:23

multiple telephones in different areas of

41:26

the house were either disabled or

41:28

completely missing. Yeah. So

41:30

who the hell steals telephones? Yeah,

41:33

I mean, VHS tapes. It's

41:36

so weird. Not the box, just the tape. Oh,

41:40

really? The empty box, they stole

41:42

the tape and left the box. They found the box

41:44

there, but the tapes, they figured the tape's probably in

41:46

the VCR. Oh, yeah, you probably

41:48

did. And he took the VCR. Yeah, yeah. So

41:51

she was watching Independence Day. A

41:53

utensil drawer in the kitchen of the residence was

41:55

smeared with Irene's blood as well. So somebody touched

41:57

it. Now December 18th. Two

42:00

days later, police figure out they need to talk

42:02

to somebody here. The

42:04

sheriff said Cecil Baraner's name came up the

42:06

night of the murder. People were like, have

42:08

you talked to Cecil? Yeah.

42:11

He just come back. Apparently, he ran a check.

42:13

This Hinsley is the cop. He ran a check

42:16

to get Cecil's address, which came back to his

42:18

parents' house, which he no longer lived. So

42:20

he drove by the house, though, around midnight

42:23

to see if maybe Cecil was there. And

42:25

he saw the white Ford Taurus that matched

42:27

the description of the car driven by the

42:30

suspected murder because they have the bank person.

42:33

So he finally gets a hold of him about

42:35

4.15 the next day. He gets a

42:37

hold of Cecil. And

42:39

what he does is he's saying he's notifying him because

42:41

I know you were going out with Shirley. He

42:44

says, hey, Candy Sisk is dead, and

42:46

Irene Sisk, they're dead. So

42:49

can you come talk to us? Maybe you have something that can help

42:51

us out because you know these people. There

42:53

he was told, yeah, Irene's also dead. And

42:56

they said his reaction, Cecil's reaction

42:58

to both statements, was nervousness. And

43:01

he asked no questions. Didn't ask

43:03

a thing. He was just like, oh, oh, oh, shit. Looking

43:07

at the door. Just started looking at the door,

43:09

basically. So now

43:11

here's how this goes. This

43:13

is a little bit of story they hear from people of

43:15

why they pick him up, not only the bank lady, but

43:18

Cecil visited Daniel and Samantha Simmons, a

43:20

friend who lived a few miles from

43:22

the Sisk residence that night

43:24

on December 15th. So the night

43:26

before. The Cecil told Samantha

43:29

Simmons he was going to Tallapusa to

43:31

collect some money and drove away in

43:33

his white Ford Taurus. He

43:36

returned shortly after and said no one was

43:38

home. And then Daniel and

43:40

Samantha Simmons accompanied him to Tallapusa

43:42

in the Taurus, where he drove by

43:44

the Sisk house three times. That's

43:47

stalking. During the

43:50

drive, he told her, he told them, quote, the

43:52

girl was going to pay him some money, is

43:54

what they said, and pointed to a

43:56

note he left on the door. Samantha

44:00

noticed during the drive that Cecil

44:04

had Held in his

44:06

hand and played with a purple crown royal

44:08

bag So there's like velvet bags

44:10

of crown royal come in but it

44:12

contains something but she couldn't see what it was because it

44:14

was in the back so What's

44:17

a day? We'll find out the

44:19

day of the murders here He

44:22

Cecil checked into a motel in

44:24

poplar bluff sometime after the murders

44:27

He paid for the room in cash and told the clerk he

44:29

wanted to be alone Let

44:31

me be let me be later

44:33

that afternoon. He visited Kelvin Dennis

44:35

and gave him a VCR There

44:38

and he also changed clothes all at the house

44:41

came across this VCR So

44:44

they get him in the lieutenant Steve

44:46

Hinsley is interrogating him knowing all this

44:48

shit that they already know and

44:51

talking to him and Cecil

44:53

told Hinsley he'd been to the house only

44:55

once Before the

44:57

Irene's house where he sat in the car when Shirley

45:00

went inside and asked for money So

45:02

he said yeah, that's the only time I've ever been there They

45:05

said okay Then Cecil said I spent the

45:07

whole evening Sunday evening in room 219

45:10

at the Tower motel in poplar bluff with

45:12

some chick that I only know as Debbie.

45:15

I don't know anything else about her Just

45:18

banging this chick named Debby when we check in

45:20

the hotels do you ever tell the clerk? I

45:22

want to be left alone. I want to be

45:25

left alone. I assume they will probably Why

45:28

would they come anything to say you

45:31

want to watch TV with us? So

45:36

that's what he said now when they go to

45:38

the motel they say he didn't rent the room

45:40

till the next day oh So

45:42

yeah, he's trying to give his alibi a day

45:44

ahead of time on the day of the

45:47

murders He said he borrowed his mother's white Ford

45:49

Taurus at 8 a.m. To drive to

45:51

another town to go Christmas shopping He

45:54

said he drove toward Fisk though instead of

45:56

going to the other town to go Christmas

45:58

shopping. He drove toward town called Fisk

46:01

to see another girl, but

46:03

when he got there, she already had a man with her.

46:06

Man, this guy's got gals everywhere. Gals

46:08

everywhere. And this gal just picks up

46:10

other dudes at 830 in the morning, so that's normal. There's

46:14

already a dick in here. Sorry. Sorry

46:16

about that. So he drove on to

46:18

Dexter, which is another town, he

46:21

said, but then he returned to Poplar Bluffs to get

46:23

his brother to go shopping with them, and then they

46:25

drove to another town and returned by noon. Now

46:29

the sheriff or the lieutenant writing all

46:31

this down and driving time said, well,

46:33

that's impossible physically to do on. You

46:36

couldn't do it in that amount of time. You need like two

46:39

more hours. So he said,

46:41

all right, fine. Look, I didn't want to admit what I

46:43

was really doing to you, but I'm

46:45

on probation. I shouldn't be telling you this, but

46:48

he said, I didn't want to admit that I

46:50

was actually buying and using drugs that Monday morning,

46:52

and that's what it is. So that'll violate my

46:54

probation. He said, I visited

46:56

a Poplar Bluff guy named Kevin Dennis and

46:58

bought $25 worth of meth, and

47:02

then I did it, and then I hung

47:04

sheetrock at Dennis's and came home about noon. He's

47:07

doing all the methy shit. That's

47:09

what she does with that. You do meth, and

47:11

then you steal a VCR and then hang some

47:14

sheetrock and go home. That's exactly what you do.

47:16

I was going to ask if it was an

47:18

SA Joe tourist. If it was, fuck damn, he

47:20

took two hours off that drive. That

47:23

SA Joe was a bad bitch. He was a

47:25

fast motherfucker. Dennis will

47:27

say that Cecil did come over, but he came over

47:30

his house at 6 or 6.30 p.m. and

47:33

only stayed for 10 minutes. He hung one piece

47:35

of sheetrock a month earlier, by the way.

47:38

He said, no, they said he hanged sheetrock. He went, not

47:40

that day. A month ago, he hung one piece and then

47:42

left, which is another crack-out movie. That's

47:44

nothing to do with it. Very messy. So

47:47

they let Cecil go this night. Then

47:50

they interview him again the next day. This

47:54

time, they tell him that in the

47:56

previous 24 hours, the officers now know

47:59

a lot about lot more and

48:01

he said I don't even want to know that

48:03

you don't have to admit that you even did

48:05

it now we know everything he just said I

48:07

just want to know why not who or what

48:09

or when why'd you do it Cecil and

48:12

Cecil said that I want to tell the truth

48:14

but I can't okay

48:17

said I just want to talk to

48:19

my brother I just want to talk to my brother he lives

48:21

with his brother he said please just

48:24

let me talk to my brother so

48:26

he said you know he never

48:29

asked to talk to a lawyer he just asked to

48:31

talk to his brother yeah so he

48:33

said all right let's do it so

48:35

at the time there were other

48:38

cops executing a search warrant in Cecil's room

48:40

at the brother's house so

48:42

they bring the brother in let's your brother wants to

48:44

talk to you okay they talked alone

48:47

for a few minutes then his brother

48:49

left and then Cecil added

48:52

once the cop came back Cecil blurted out quote

48:54

I didn't mean for this to happen I didn't

48:56

mean to kill them okay

49:00

that is an assault of

49:02

somebody didn't mean it wow

49:05

that's a lie yeah it's a not quite a

49:07

weird accident he did there so

49:10

they were like caught totally by surprise they didn't expect

49:12

them to just give it up apparently the brother told

49:14

him to Cecil told them

49:16

he went to the six six house because

49:19

he believed that he had flunked a recent

49:21

urine test and he wanted to go get

49:24

the fuck out of here before he got sent to jail

49:26

yeah so I got to the CISC residence and he said

49:28

that candy

49:30

and Irene argued about giving him

49:32

money Irene started to write

49:34

a check and stopped and then candy wrote

49:36

one for a thousand dollars and Cecil drove

49:39

them to the bank to cash it back

49:42

at the house he said that he

49:44

intended to just tie them up and give them and

49:46

just just to give him some time to get out

49:49

of town but as he started to

49:51

drive away he saw

49:53

Irene looking at him through the kitchen

49:55

window so he said

49:57

oh hell no I can't let this abide so

50:00

He re-entered the house. He said he tied

50:02

a rope from her hands and bound her

50:04

feet. He hog-tied Irene. Then

50:06

he said he saw Irene start to reach

50:09

under the bed covers. Then

50:11

he said, what was she reaching for? And he said, a

50:13

goddamn knife. Irene's

50:15

obviously the problem here. She's the aggressor.

50:18

Oh, late in the 70s, just really. Armed

50:21

to the teeth. And he said both Irene

50:23

and Candace were screaming out of control. So

50:25

Hinsley said, well, what did you do? And

50:27

Cecil said, quote, I shut them up. That's

50:31

a cold motherfucker, man. No kidding. He said he

50:33

wore gloves when he went to the residence so

50:35

that his fingerprints wouldn't be found by the cops.

50:37

And he was thinking about that. He said he

50:40

also threw from the window of his car a

50:42

camouflage jacket he'd been wearing because it had blood

50:44

on it. That was either on

50:46

Highway J or Highway 53. It wasn't

50:48

positive. He said then he

50:50

checked into the tower motel when he returned to

50:53

Poplar Bluff because he was afraid he was being

50:55

followed. Because he's on meth and he's fucking paranoid.

50:58

So they said, well, why did you rape that girl? Why

51:02

did you do that? Good enough to kill her?

51:04

He said, I never sexually assaulted her at all.

51:06

I don't know what you're talking about. Someone

51:09

else came in and raped her corpse and sucked something up

51:11

her ass. She just wears that. All

51:13

right. Yeah. So he said,

51:15

absolutely not. He said, you won't find my semen anywhere

51:17

around there. So you can't... No,

51:19

it's not that. Great. Never said that. And

51:22

that's probably why a lot of guys

51:24

like this, profilers... I'm not an FBI

51:27

psychological profiler, but generally when

51:29

an object is inserted after

51:31

death, it's usually because the

51:34

guy couldn't get it up. Couldn't

51:36

do it. Yeah. Couldn't do

51:38

it. So that's usually... And

51:41

it's just humiliation. And it's humiliation too. Yeah.

51:44

I'm humiliated so now you're about to

51:46

be. Exactly. And especially kind

51:48

of posed like that almost. Yeah.

51:51

So he denied. He said, quote, I

51:53

just confessed to two murders. Why would I lie?

51:55

I didn't take... I didn't do that. Oh,

51:58

God. Okay. He

52:00

said then that this is Cecil that the

52:02

you know what the ironic thing about this

52:05

whole situation is what he said That

52:08

later on the lieutenant told him You know what the

52:10

ironic thing is is you probably wouldn't even have been

52:13

sent back to jail for failing one piss test You

52:15

probably talked your way out of it. So Not

52:19

necessary so after the

52:21

interview they said would you make a videotape

52:23

confession because this isn't videoed and He

52:26

Cecil said he wasn't up to it right now, but

52:28

maybe the next day And

52:31

then at the end of the whole thing he just he said

52:33

again. I didn't mean for this to happen I didn't mean to

52:35

kill them How can you

52:37

say those words out loud dude? What

52:40

was done to them is? Way

52:42

on purpose. It's so I'm pretty out about it's

52:45

not you hit her with your car And they

52:47

were on the side of the road that could

52:49

be an accident This is like really focused drop

52:51

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52:53

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52:56

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the cops here, they get the search warrant

55:27

like we said. In Cecil's

55:29

room, they find 32 ropes

55:32

and cords in there. Yeah. He's

55:35

got a thing that he likes here. What is

55:37

this? Tests established that two of the ropes were

55:39

consistent in color composition and construction with the ropes

55:41

that have been used to bind candy and Irene.

55:44

In the room's wastebasket, they

55:46

find several handwritten notes. What

55:49

did they say? One contains

55:51

directions from his house to the

55:53

CISC residence. And the

55:55

cops followed him in their good directions. They lead right to

55:57

the house. They manifested it? Back then,

55:59

96. Six pre-map quest, he got directions.

56:01

Then a second note said

56:03

the name Candace on it, just

56:07

the name Candace. Then

56:09

a third note read this, quote, things

56:12

for first entrance. Yeah.

56:15

Gun, and then in parentheses

56:17

back, then handcuffs, in

56:20

parentheses pocket, 12 foot

56:23

of rope, in parentheses legs, into

56:26

six foot pieces. What the shit. That's the

56:28

kit that he's planning on taking and he's

56:30

too dumb to remember to bring this shit.

56:33

He had to write it down, get it all in his...

56:36

Put it all together, then crumple it up

56:38

and throw it out. Don't need it anymore. I

56:40

got milk and eggs, I'm good. This message will

56:42

self-destruct. Also found in his

56:44

room, a purple crown

56:47

royal bag containing handcuffs. That's

56:50

what's in the bag. Yeah, he's rubbing them.

56:53

Then his red duffel bag, which is

56:55

the bag of horrors. Yeah. It

56:57

is, wow, it has

57:00

ropes, dildos. We'll talk about

57:02

how many dildos because it's a lot. Homemade

57:05

sex tapes, a bondage

57:07

magazine, a videotape of

57:10

the movie Independence Day with no

57:12

box. He kept it. No

57:14

box, and his wallet, which

57:16

contained $123, including six $20 bills and three telephones. He

57:22

ran through $700 already? More

57:26

than that. More than that, almost $875

57:28

he ran through. They

57:31

seize his car, the Ford Taurus that

57:33

he'd been driving, and find traces of

57:35

blood on the driver's armrest and door

57:37

handle, the steering wheel, and the trunk

57:39

clasp. That's somebody else's car. That's

57:42

his mom's car, I think. The blood on

57:44

the steering wheel was found to be human blood.

57:46

The other ones were mixed human and deer

57:48

blood, which is weird.

57:51

The blood on the door handle was

57:53

consistent with a mixture of a small

57:55

amount of his DNA and a larger

57:57

amount of Irene's DNA. knife.

58:00

You're fucked, mister. That's... You're

58:03

fucked now. You don't have your blood with a

58:05

victim's blood. That's no. I've never

58:07

been inside this woman's house, but I

58:09

have her blood mixed with mine and

58:11

my car. Okay. That's pretty fucking wild,

58:13

I would say. Now, his

58:16

trial comes up now. Yeah.

58:19

His attorney, his big thing is

58:21

there's no audio or video recordings

58:23

of his confession, so it didn't

58:25

happen. That's what he says. And

58:27

they asked Hinsley, the cop, and he

58:29

said it's never been his practice in

58:31

23 years to use either during an

58:33

interview, only when a suspect wants to

58:35

make an official statement. But during an

58:37

interview, they don't do it. When

58:40

asked whether or not Cecil became

58:44

angry or whether Hinsley yelled at

58:46

him or abused him during the

58:49

interview, he said, or became

58:51

friendly, he said, these were all techniques. He said, I

58:53

was prepared to do my job. You yell at him

58:55

a little, then you coddle him a little. Let's say

58:57

you get a confession. The

58:59

criminologist testifies that a cotton rope

59:02

and an orange nylon rope were

59:04

part of the bindings, matched

59:07

the ropes of one of the 32 ropes

59:09

that were taken from his room. He

59:12

said, I can't say the two orange strands were

59:14

originally one piece, but they could have been. Let's

59:17

just say they were. It's a pretty big coincidence. So

59:20

I would say another cop

59:22

on the stand displays ropes taken from

59:24

the victims, actual ones there, as well

59:26

as some of

59:29

the things taken from his room. When

59:31

they had a silver steak knife, the

59:34

actual murder knife that had been stuck

59:36

in Candy's chest, they passed it around

59:38

to the jurors, and the jurors were

59:41

horrified by it. They also passed around

59:43

her bloodstain night shirt. Yikes.

59:46

They were really freaked out by that. The

59:48

court is going to allow some sexual stuff,

59:51

some testimony to come in here, to

59:54

try to show that he likes a

59:56

certain kind of binding during sexual activity.

59:58

Oh, a specific knot. Specific

1:00:00

not so they bring Shirley in because she

1:00:02

knows all this shit. Yeah Shirley

1:00:04

testified that he once told her that he would take

1:00:06

the son into the woods and shoot him Then

1:00:09

they show while Shirley's on the stand. They

1:00:11

show a sex tape between him and Shirley

1:00:14

this woman had to sit on the stand

1:00:18

Hey and show an anal

1:00:21

sex tape. Hey My

1:00:23

dead mom and daughter Can we not show me getting

1:00:25

pounded in the ass in front of the entire fucking

1:00:28

town of 78 people? Thank you very

1:00:30

much What's more embarrassing? That's

1:00:32

what's worse They

1:00:38

have to show this videotape which shows them

1:00:41

Shirley and Cecil and engaged in various

1:00:43

consensual acts of bondage anal sex oral

1:00:46

sex and sex toy use She

1:00:50

said that the relationship involved him tying

1:00:52

her hands and legs her

1:00:55

legs spread apart and her hands over her head

1:00:57

or her hands in front of her and That

1:01:00

he would tie her with rope and pantyhose all

1:01:02

the time in

1:01:04

the video he anally penetrates

1:01:06

Shirley with both dildo and his dick

1:01:09

and The Shirley

1:01:11

states that the he made the videotape of

1:01:13

their activity He remembers it and all that

1:01:15

they play an excerpt of it now the

1:01:18

excerpt is to show the

1:01:20

knots But it shows in the foreground a

1:01:22

close-up of him pounding her in the ass

1:01:26

Now if you see the knot here,

1:01:28

which one's the balloon one in the

1:01:30

background? You

1:01:32

can see it Like

1:01:35

blurry in the background see that not

1:01:37

there look past where this this And

1:01:40

this lady's just sitting on the stand going Oh

1:01:45

She's gone look at the knot you guys look

1:01:47

at it. Can you see all the knots? They're

1:01:49

all there So

1:01:51

the prosecutor says if you will watch

1:01:53

the tying of the wrists of Shirley

1:01:55

Miss longer if you will watch Concentrate

1:01:58

everybody on this anal pornography

1:02:01

that we've given you.

1:02:03

Around the wrist, a

1:02:05

couple of half inches, back over the other

1:02:07

wrist and around the other wrist. A couple

1:02:09

of half inches, the wrists are apart. There

1:02:12

goes another half inch and the third half inch

1:02:14

and the fourth half inch. Stop the tape. See

1:02:16

right there. See now balls deep you can see

1:02:18

it. He said stop the tape

1:02:20

quote unquote. You can look

1:02:23

at these ropes. These bindings have the victims

1:02:25

in the photographs. The ankles of

1:02:28

Irene you can see the half inches.

1:02:30

They're showing they're the same bindings but

1:02:32

it's just ridiculous. That's the way you

1:02:34

show it. How about one still of

1:02:36

the knot rather than they show two

1:02:38

and a half minutes of

1:02:41

her getting pounded in the ass at

1:02:44

the murder trial of her daughter and

1:02:46

mother's killer. And the

1:02:48

guy's like now stop the tape right there. Praise

1:02:50

frame. And then

1:02:52

she turned to everybody and

1:02:54

said. She turned to everybody

1:02:56

and said I don't ever want to hear anybody

1:02:59

else complain about having a bad day. Okay? Compare

1:03:03

it to this. I

1:03:05

don't even want to. Nope sorry somebody died.

1:03:07

Don't give a shit. Not worse than this.

1:03:09

I'm having the worst life right now. Then

1:03:14

there's Bondage magazine that they found in his

1:03:16

red duffel bag and they

1:03:19

said that the the magazine

1:03:21

is called Bondage Fantasies and

1:03:24

it depicts a cartoon of a partially clothed

1:03:26

woman bound to a tree with her hands

1:03:28

tied and genitals exposed and the woman is

1:03:30

held by one man while another approaches her

1:03:33

with his erect penis. Oh it's

1:03:36

a weird rape scene in the woods. So

1:03:39

they say that satisfies requirements for

1:03:41

admission under the signature modus operandi

1:03:43

corroboration exception. So this shows MO

1:03:46

is what they're talking about. Videotape

1:03:49

labels also. A label

1:03:51

on a videotape labeled homemade sex. That's

1:03:53

what he labels this shit. Homemade

1:03:56

sex. And I

1:03:58

got kids don't get a hold of this. What

1:04:01

you do is when a new neighbor moves in, you

1:04:04

bring him a homemade apple pie with this sitting on top

1:04:06

of it and you go, here you go, welcome to the

1:04:08

neighborhood. All the mode, you know what I mean? It's,

1:04:12

I'll a jizz on my mode. It

1:04:14

says May 7th, 1995, for us only, is what one says. Don't

1:04:20

read that one. Don't watch it. Then it

1:04:22

says surely, 0 to 1159, so that must be a time

1:04:24

code. Yeah.

1:04:28

12 minutes of that. 12 minutes of pornography, by

1:04:30

the way, which is not ... 12 minutes of loving is all

1:04:32

you got in him. Then

1:04:34

rows 1159 to 1210, that's 11 seconds. Yeah,

1:04:39

what the fuck man? What he's showing there, he's like,

1:04:41

did he just sneak a camera in while she was

1:04:43

peeing or something? Like, ooh, look at

1:04:46

that. Then rows 1210 to end,

1:04:48

so then he's banging her, I guess. Fuck it. Eight

1:04:51

hours of her? Eight hours of that, so my assume

1:04:53

it's probably a two hour tape, maybe, I don't know.

1:04:55

So, or an hour, who the hell knows? So

1:04:58

then there's the bag of dildos duffle bags.

1:05:00

Here we go. And they

1:05:02

said this red duffle bag contained

1:05:05

over 30 dildos. I

1:05:08

mean ... In a portable thing. Like,

1:05:10

I gotta take all 30 with me at any time.

1:05:12

At any given time, I gotta run. This is

1:05:14

my go bag. And it is,

1:05:16

that it had rope in there, it had a

1:05:19

bondage bag, it had homemade sex tapes. This is

1:05:21

like, if I need to go, I grab an

1:05:23

extra pair of underwear and this fucking bag, and

1:05:25

I'm off. 107 is arguably,

1:05:27

obviously, way too many. 30, too many too. He's

1:05:29

got over 30. 30's a

1:05:31

lot. That's for a man. So many. That

1:05:34

is way too many. For a ... So many. Yeah,

1:05:36

I would say. Put 30 on a bed, dude.

1:05:38

You'll be like, what? That's so many. Wow, that's

1:05:40

... Well, we've seen 107 laid out, and it's a lot.

1:05:44

30's also a lot. It's a lot of dildos. I

1:05:46

mean, a sex shop on a wall, 30

1:05:48

of them is a lot. When

1:05:51

you start collecting things, though, it's just, well, I don't

1:05:53

have one like that. When you start to ... That's

1:05:55

the problem. I can see that. You're trying out a

1:05:57

lot of one thing, yeah. I'm lucky I'm not into

1:05:59

collecting dildos. Dildos because I'm a collector kind of guy.

1:06:01

I collect shit. So I would be like collecting dildos.

1:06:03

I have 186 dildos. That

1:06:06

would be me. I'd be the dildo guy.

1:06:08

But I wouldn't keep them in a

1:06:10

duffle bag here. So he asserts

1:06:13

that the admission of the dildos was

1:06:15

prejudicial since the prosecutor referred to a

1:06:17

quote, big dildo in his closing argument.

1:06:20

He just called Cecil a big dildo. This

1:06:22

big dildo over here. He

1:06:25

got 30 of them and then the big one. Oh

1:06:27

my God. So the

1:06:29

prosecutor said, who tied

1:06:32

knots similar to those found on

1:06:34

the victims? Cecil Baraner, the defendant.

1:06:37

Who ties the same type of bondage knots? Who

1:06:39

ties them at a rapid speed? Because in the

1:06:41

tape it shows him tying Shirley up quick. The

1:06:44

defendant. Then the prosecutor

1:06:46

referred to the dildos. He said,

1:06:49

is that because he over the course of the

1:06:51

trial, his defense attorney said all the ropes were

1:06:53

for roofing. Oh, okay. Because

1:06:56

that's a lengthy thing to do. Eight foot

1:06:58

lengths? Six foot lengths. Nope.

1:07:01

I don't know what you would use them for. They brought

1:07:03

in like a roofer to go, do you use lengths of

1:07:05

six foot rope at all? And he was like, no, that's

1:07:08

nothing to do with roofing. There's one long one. That's what

1:07:10

I got for you. There's one long

1:07:12

one around the ladder that secures it to the

1:07:14

house. That's it. So he

1:07:16

said that, is that for roofing in a duffle

1:07:19

bag so he can go places with a big

1:07:21

dildo in it? Yeah. Okay.

1:07:24

That's because he's a roofer. This

1:07:26

case is disingenuous. It's the defendant's Cecil.

1:07:29

Yeah. He says, I keep my

1:07:31

ropes in my dildo bag for roofing. Just

1:07:33

in case. So the verdict

1:07:35

comes in four hours of deliberation, not

1:07:37

very much. This is found

1:07:40

guilty of two counts of first

1:07:42

degree murder. Wow. They have

1:07:44

a confession, evidence, you know, blood, all

1:07:46

sorts of shit, DNA. During

1:07:48

the penalty phase, the state introduced

1:07:51

his prior conviction for possessing controlled

1:07:53

substances and, you know, impact

1:07:55

and victim impact and all that here.

1:07:59

So. At the close of evidence,

1:08:01

instructions and arguments by counsel in the

1:08:03

penalty phase, the jury was unable to

1:08:05

reach a verdict on punishment. Really?

1:08:08

Therefore, the judge sentences him.

1:08:11

Were they like trying to do something creative, like...

1:08:13

It was 7-5. ...honey in a

1:08:15

hell or some shit? Yeah, no, it was 7-5 for death

1:08:17

penalty or life in prison. So

1:08:19

the murder was... Let's

1:08:21

do something creative with them. What do you say?

1:08:24

You know what? I heard of

1:08:26

this bull one time. It's from Patreon. It's

1:08:28

a big bull. Look at that. It's the

1:08:31

worst thing ever. The brains sound like moose,

1:08:33

y'all. It's so cool. So

1:08:35

the murder... The

1:08:37

murder was committed while he was engaged in another

1:08:40

unlawful homicide, committed for the purpose of

1:08:42

receiving money and other things of monetary

1:08:44

value, involved torture and depravity of mind,

1:08:46

was committed while the defendant was engaged

1:08:49

in the perpetration of burglary and

1:08:51

also in the perpetration of robbery

1:08:53

and kidnapping, and murdered

1:08:55

these people because of their statuses as

1:08:58

potential witnesses against him. You

1:09:00

suck! May fuck off death

1:09:02

penalty. Yeah, you bet. That's all death.

1:09:05

Eat dicks. Yep. Now,

1:09:07

the appeal comes in and

1:09:09

he says that you

1:09:12

shouldn't have allowed the sex tape to be

1:09:14

played and all my dildos in there. Yeah,

1:09:17

I get it. They go, but you're the dildo

1:09:19

guy. You like sticking dildos up people's asses. You

1:09:22

know, sorry. You have ropes. You have blood.

1:09:25

So they said that the videotape, yeah,

1:09:27

that shouldn't have been in. He also

1:09:30

says the knot evidence should

1:09:32

be judged under general principles of relevance

1:09:35

because tying a knot is not a

1:09:37

misconduct or a wrongful act. So

1:09:41

interesting. The prosecutor

1:09:43

also, the record reflects that

1:09:45

there's no testimony anywhere in the trial from any

1:09:47

witness regarding the type of knots or the manner

1:09:49

in which they were tied because they didn't know.

1:09:52

That's what he says. The dildos.

1:09:56

The admission of the dildos themselves was error.

1:09:58

By the way, I'm going to read a

1:10:00

few sentences. is from a direct court document

1:10:02

appeal. Outstanding. The

1:10:05

state does respond to the appellate's contention that

1:10:07

the admission of the dildos themselves is error.

1:10:10

The state argues that the dildos do

1:10:12

not constitute prior uncharged misconduct evidence and

1:10:14

that the question of their admissibility should

1:10:16

be decided under general principles. The state

1:10:18

contends that the dildos were properly admitted

1:10:21

to corroborate the guilt of the victim

1:10:23

of Candi Sisk was anally penetrated with

1:10:25

an object at the time of her death. In

1:10:27

the alternative, the state asserts that the dildos were

1:10:30

properly admitted under the governing rules

1:10:32

of admission of prior uncharged evidence.

1:10:34

I picture all the

1:10:36

bewigged douche bags, just like everybody founding

1:10:38

the country sitting around going, well,

1:10:40

what if this dildos introduced

1:10:43

in a court case? Well, they

1:10:45

should be governed under the admission of

1:10:48

prior uncharged misconduct evidence, of course. Obviously.

1:10:51

All right, then we agree. Wow.

1:10:54

Dildo law is squared away. That's

1:10:56

incredible. The dildos were improperly admitted.

1:10:59

The dildos should not have been admitted

1:11:01

under the signature MO corroboration exception because

1:11:03

there was no evidence that Candi Sisk

1:11:05

was penetrated with a dildo first, let

1:11:07

alone an identical one to those admitted.

1:11:10

In addition, this is fucking ridiculous. So they

1:11:12

go on to say dildo, dildo, dildo, dildo,

1:11:14

dildo, which is amazing. There's like 10 more

1:11:16

dildos here. Wow. The

1:11:18

admission of dildos in this case resembles the

1:11:20

improper admission of evidence in state versus Kitson

1:11:23

in which the defendant was charged with sodomizing

1:11:25

his son. It was alleged that he inserted

1:11:27

his penis and a hot dog into his

1:11:29

son and also had his son

1:11:31

reciprocate the acts. Why

1:11:34

did we... What? In the

1:11:36

instant case, admitting the dildo was improper

1:11:39

because the prejudicial effect of the evidence

1:11:41

substantially outweighed its probative value. Okay. The

1:11:44

decision comes in and they,

1:11:46

in a five to two vote of

1:11:48

the state Supreme Court, they reverse his

1:11:50

conviction. Really? Based

1:11:53

on all of this shit. They don't like the admission

1:11:55

of dildos. They don't want all this

1:11:57

dildo talk in their courtroom. nephew

1:12:00

of Irene and a family person here said I

1:12:02

was really shocked that five of the judges stated

1:12:04

there should be a retrial I think we should

1:12:06

have the best I think we have the best

1:12:09

Judicial system in the world but the judges aired

1:12:11

in this case sending it back for a possible

1:12:13

retrial 2002 retrial Wow

1:12:17

three changes of venue by the way.

1:12:19

Yeah three in one fucking deal here

1:12:22

Same evidence minus some the videotape and

1:12:24

a couple other things but DNA confession

1:12:26

all of that fucking guilty as shit

1:12:29

to count It's a first-degree murder Sentencing

1:12:31

you sir may fuck

1:12:34

off death penalty again So

1:12:37

much money spent dude 2003

1:12:40

appeal what he argues the court

1:12:42

should not have excluded exculpatory evidence that

1:12:44

hair found at the crime scene Intested by

1:12:47

the state did not match hair samples

1:12:49

taken from either of these people So someone

1:12:51

else dropped a hair a couple months

1:12:53

ago, so he's innocent now What about her

1:12:55

DNA in your car explain that her blood

1:12:58

in your car? Mixed

1:13:00

together with yours He contends the

1:13:02

court should have allowed his attorney to cross-examine

1:13:04

his friend about whether she was aware of or

1:13:06

had heard of a newspaper Article about a reward

1:13:08

being offered in the case to show she

1:13:10

was motivated to implicate him because of the reward

1:13:14

Also, he an ex-girlfriend Meaning

1:13:16

Shirley also testified he's saying

1:13:18

that could be just you

1:13:21

know, yeah, she get back at him So

1:13:24

the court for three

1:13:26

decision this time For

1:13:29

three they say that jury

1:13:31

was wrongly prohibited from considering

1:13:33

potentially exculpatory evidence conviction reversed

1:13:35

again Do it again

1:13:38

again a third trial imagine this

1:13:40

poor family going through three fucking

1:13:42

imagine Shirley going through three trials

1:13:46

This is crazy the third

1:13:49

trial same evidence you can put the hair

1:13:51

in it doesn't fucking matter It doesn't mean

1:13:53

that's the killer. We know this guy did

1:13:55

it Seven hours of deliberation

1:13:57

by the way to find him guilty of

1:13:59

two counts of first-degree murder. Sentencing

1:14:02

this time, prosecutor says obviously

1:14:04

he believes in the death penalty and

1:14:07

is willing to impose it on others.

1:14:10

He said, he describes

1:14:12

the crime and then he says, this man

1:14:14

here enjoyed it. And then he

1:14:16

said, quote, mercy is for God.

1:14:19

Unfortunately down here on earth we have

1:14:21

to deliver justice. That's

1:14:23

what the prosecutor said. Jesus

1:14:25

Christ, that is some biblical shit right

1:14:27

there. And that man does not. And

1:14:29

obviously he believes in it. I'm killing right here, I swear. He

1:14:32

delivers it himself. Wow. Defense

1:14:35

attorney acknowledged a jury would likely find

1:14:37

aggravating factors required to impose the death

1:14:39

penalty, yes. But he asked the jurors

1:14:42

to show mercy and reject

1:14:44

the calls for vengeance. He said,

1:14:46

he's asking you to reduce yourselves to being the

1:14:48

same type of person you just found Cecil Baraner

1:14:50

to be. Seven

1:14:53

hours of deliberation on the sentence. The

1:14:55

jury comes back. You sir! May

1:14:57

fuck off life without parole

1:14:59

this time. I

1:15:01

don't like that it gets weaker and weaker though. This

1:15:03

is not fair. But yeah,

1:15:05

he is still locked up though. Now he's not

1:15:07

getting out anymore. And now they don't have to

1:15:10

do all these automatic fucking appeals because it's a

1:15:12

death penalty case. So now he's actually

1:15:14

going to sit there forever and not cost the state

1:15:16

fucking thousands and thousands and millions of dollars. So

1:15:19

he is inmate ID 00517967. You

1:15:24

can find that on inmateaid.com if you want to

1:15:26

give him a couple of bucks so he can

1:15:29

get himself some nice new dildos in there. I

1:15:31

know he'll probably

1:15:33

be needing them in there because yeah,

1:15:35

he is in there for fucking ever.

1:15:38

Wow. He looks like a huge scumbag

1:15:40

still. And there you go. That

1:15:43

is Talapusa. Oh man.

1:15:45

And the poo, they mean poo

1:15:48

when they say Talapusa. Yeah, emphasize poo.

1:15:50

So my god, man. What a fucking

1:15:52

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1:15:54

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1:15:56

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1:15:58

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1:16:01

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1:16:03

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1:16:11

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