0:06

I started, you know when I started eating for breakfast?

0:08

Just almonds. That's it. Just almonds?

0:10

Yeah, just almonds. That's it. Literally.

0:13

Yep. Are you really eating just almonds for breakfast?

0:16

Yeah, just almonds and it may be a yogurt thing. Okay. Well,

0:18

so now it's also a yogurt thing. But we're going

0:20

to take the just off the top of that. Welcome

0:23

to Smartless. Smart. Smart.

0:26

Smart. Smart. Smart.

0:29

Smart plus. Smart

0:38

plus. Hey,

0:42

cool dad. Cool dad you got the

0:44

long sleeve shirt on underneath the short

0:47

sleeve shirt today? Very nineties. It's

0:50

a cold day. So

0:52

the ones you just wear long don't have long sleeve

0:54

golf shirts. I know, I don't

0:56

have a long sleeve golf shirt. And

0:59

if I want to, I could take it out. Once you wear

1:01

your short sleeve golf shirt and just put a sweater over the

1:03

top of it. So to doing the cool

1:05

dad thing, I am, I've got a sweater and I'm

1:07

going to have a shell because it's kind of rainy

1:09

and it's very unusually cold for Los Angeles. Really nice.

1:13

I'm teeing off at 1230. Wait, Tracy bought you both golf

1:15

shirts. She did. Yeah.

1:18

They're here at the house. Okay. Love her. Did

1:21

she buy you anything? She did. Driving gloves

1:23

for the golf cart. Yeah.

1:26

She, she, she, she joined me. She

1:29

got me a new set of clubs. So I'll see you guys later. You

1:31

don't want to know who I'm playing with today. I'm surprised

1:34

you didn't ask me. Paul. You're playing

1:36

with Paul. Paul. You're playing

1:38

with Paul. I'm playing Paul. But guess, but guess

1:40

who else? Who you got? You got Paul, our

1:42

buddy from Toronto, Paul M we'll call him.

1:45

Paul Mccleese. And then we'll

1:47

have, I got a

1:50

real friend of the show. Danny

1:52

Deese. Danny Deese. Danny

1:54

Deese. I love him. I

1:56

mean, the greatest guy ever in finance.

1:58

Yes. many categories. And

2:01

then our

2:03

JB, our buddy, you're gonna

2:05

play five, huh? Football legend,

2:07

Gareth Bale, Gareth Sinton. You're

2:10

gonna play five today? Yeah. No,

2:12

it's me and Paul, Dan and Gareth. Oh,

2:15

sorry. I'm not great with math. Evidently.

2:18

So I'm very excited I'm doing a home

2:21

game today, recording from Los

2:23

Angeles for the first time in a

2:25

while. It feels nice. I've got

2:27

a microphone on a stand now, you know, I'm

2:31

not comfortable with the New York setup. What if you came

2:33

home, you've been away for a couple weeks, and then you

2:35

just looked at it and you just started to notice like,

2:37

some of my stuff was there. Yeah,

2:40

your underwear's in the

2:42

sauna. Yeah. That would

2:44

be awful. That's disgusting.

2:47

And you just know it's like Amanda's wearing like an oversized

2:49

shirt to bed, and you're like, is that Will's

2:51

shirt? Well,

2:55

you know what? We're about a minute

2:58

from that. I know. Well,

3:01

guys, before I get into my

3:03

guest here, can we just, I

3:06

heard something recently, a description of a

3:09

podcast that, you know, we'll

3:11

never be lucky enough to have a

3:13

description like this, I think. It's

3:15

a show about people with more balls than

3:17

a bowling alley. You know, like. That's

3:20

Knoxville said that. He said that. Knoxville

3:22

said that's right. Knoxville said it's called

3:24

Pretty Sure I Can Fly. Yeah, yeah,

3:26

yeah. The Johnny Knoxville host with Elna

3:28

Baker and. From This

3:30

American Life. From This American Life. It's

3:32

about, yeah, these people that do things

3:35

that have far more courage

3:37

than the three of us put together would

3:39

ever even dream of having. Well, thanks a

3:41

lot. Right, and unlike ours, Pretty

3:43

Sure I Can Fly is educational and inspiring.

3:46

Exactly, yeah. You're not gonna learn a whole lot

3:48

here, but we hide it right there in the title.

3:51

Yeah, it's a great podcast. Yeah, it's

3:53

worth checking out. Anyway, Pretty Sure I

3:55

Can Fly by Smartless Media is

3:58

out now with Johnny Knoxville. Very fancy. Alna Baker,

4:00

so punch it into your nearest podcast playing

4:02

machine and enjoy. All

4:05

right, huge apologies to our guests. This has

4:07

been much too long here for the Regis

4:09

and Kathie Lee chatter. Here

4:11

comes our guest. Sadly,

4:15

even though I'm in Los Angeles, I still have not written

4:17

an intro. Mostly though, because I

4:20

just love this guy. I don't need to write

4:22

an intro for him. I know him. He's

4:25

a buddy of mine. I

4:27

think he's a buddy of both of yours as well. But I'm

4:30

closer with him, okay? I'm

4:34

a big, big fan of his work. He's

4:37

an enormous movie star, global.

4:41

And even just bigger all time great

4:44

guy. He's got some

4:46

interesting things to tell us. I

4:49

know you're gonna love this hour. Everybody, ladies

4:51

and gentlemen, it's Hollywood's

4:53

Jeremy Renner. Jeremy, come

4:56

on out. There he is. Look

5:00

at him go. Hollywood's Jeremy

5:02

Renner. What's going on?

5:06

This guy's a major movie star.

5:08

You guys better tighten it up.

5:10

Look at that. What's happening? What's

5:13

up, man? I wish we were all

5:15

together actually. I know, right? I

5:18

haven't seen some faces on the screen, but it's

5:20

nice to hear you guys. Jeremy, you know where

5:22

we're all together? Right here. You

5:24

know, right here in the heart. I

5:27

didn't see where you were pointing. I just realized something.

5:31

I had to reboot my computer right before

5:33

we started. All my questions are gone, but

5:35

that's okay. Oh, I can start.

5:37

I can start. No, yeah, you go. Yeah, yeah,

5:39

yeah. Jared, first of all.

5:41

Welcome. Yeah, welcome. You look great. Look

5:43

at the guns already. The guns, baby.

5:46

I mean, crazy. You're

5:49

looking great. I follow you on

5:51

Instagram as well, and I love all your

5:53

positivity. What? Really? Yeah,

5:55

I love all the positive comments. You're always so warm.

6:00

and grateful to your fans and everybody with

6:02

all the support, with all the tragedy that

6:04

you've had. And you're doing so great. So

6:07

good to see you. Well, yeah, you're busy.

6:09

Mayor of Kingston's out now, right? Started June

6:12

2nd, I think, yes? They're on the current. Coming

6:14

out June 2nd, yeah. Well, when this

6:17

airs, it'll be out. So unbelievable start

6:19

to the season there, Jeremy. Yeah, way

6:21

to go June 2nd. When it's back

6:23

on June 2nd, the show came out.

6:25

Yeah. I'm season

6:27

three. The first time I ever saw

6:29

you, I just moved to Los Angeles. And I

6:31

start, I don't know if you like, we can

6:33

cut this if you don't want to talk about

6:35

it. But I watched this reality show called The

6:37

It Factor. It Factor, yeah. And it was like

6:39

one of the first reality shows ever. And you were

6:42

one of the actors. They followed around to auditions and

6:44

see about your career. And I loved

6:47

the series. And I had another friend in it

6:49

as well. And I remember

6:52

you getting Dahmer or something,

6:54

playing Johnny Dahmer, and then, or Swat. And you

6:56

had a pick between the two, and

6:59

I was like, oh my God, this guy's

7:01

going to be so huge. And we're watching

7:03

it in real time. You going on auditions

7:05

and really going. Yeah, that was a really

7:07

random thing. I actually ended up doing that

7:09

show because I did Dahmer

7:11

already. And we shot that

7:13

movie in two weeks for like $100,000.

7:17

So I didn't know what was going to happen with

7:19

this tiny little movie. So I did it to kind

7:21

of promote that. But then it

7:23

turned into like this little Cinderella story because

7:25

that movie came out. And then I got

7:27

like, William Morris, all these things happened. And

7:30

then, like you

7:32

said, the audition for Swat and

7:35

all these other movies started coming as like this sort

7:37

of Cinderella story for a breaking actor

7:39

in Hollywood. And that we watched it with, like

7:41

we were out along for the ride with you.

7:43

It was really cool. I don't know that anybody

7:45

would do that today. Do you think anybody, that

7:48

show would work? I don't know. It'd be

7:50

hard to kind of catch that. Does anybody

7:52

know when you're going to break or have any

7:54

sort of right? Yeah. But I mean, think about

7:56

all those things over the years where they've tried

7:59

to like get by. behind this or whatever,

8:01

but to actually lock

8:03

on to somebody to an actor and then have

8:05

it pay off and actually become a big movie.

8:08

Yeah, what are the odds? The odds are pretty

8:10

rare. And then months later, it

8:12

was like Jeremy Renner, you were just a huge

8:14

star and have remained since. So it was really

8:16

exciting. You know, our buddy Sam Jones did a

8:18

great documentary on Wilco called, I'm

8:20

trying to break your heart. Trying to break your heart, yeah. And

8:23

the cameras were with Wilco while they were making

8:26

Yankee Hotel, Foxtrotter, Foxtrotter Hotel, whatever

8:28

it is. And the label

8:31

dropping them because it was too challenging to

8:33

listen to. And then they went to a different

8:35

label or made their own, I can't remember. But

8:37

then it ends up winning the Grammy for best

8:39

album of the year, I think. And like, I

8:41

couldn't believe the cameras were there for that whole

8:43

thing. It sounds like this is similar.

8:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could catch a little lighting in a

8:48

bottle, you know. Yeah, but I mean, building

8:51

off of that, Jeremy, I mean, Buddy,

8:54

watching your career just explode right

8:56

out of the gate and it

8:59

has not stopped yet. I mean,

9:01

you know. Well, first of all,

9:03

Hurt Locker was just phenomenal.

9:06

Yeah. And you know, and everything

9:08

you've done since. But that was like the thing, I

9:10

remember watching that and being like, who's this

9:13

fucking dude is? Who's this motherfucking,

9:15

taking all of our jobs? Rushing.

9:18

Were you always so discerning from an early

9:20

age in your career to be able to

9:22

pick what gave you the strength to say

9:25

no to certain things and not freak out about

9:27

your paycheck and your rent? Yeah, yeah, I think

9:29

that is, I don't know where

9:31

exactly that comes from. I know for me,

9:33

it was being very clear and focused on

9:35

what I wanted and also what

9:37

I didn't want. Early

9:40

on, like I had did a lot of comedy

9:42

stuff and I'm like, God, it wasn't trying to

9:44

go down that road. And I ended

9:46

up, that's why Domino was a great turning

9:48

point for me to kind of go into

9:50

darker, sort of deeper sort of character

9:53

roles. And I just was

9:56

just kind of clear. And then

9:58

if I didn't connect to it. There's an easy

10:00

no, no matter how much money. I've turned down more money

10:02

than I'll ever make in life because

10:05

I never did something for money. That's

10:07

great. And you have to be okay with yourself

10:09

in that. In order to say no to

10:11

money, mind you, I

10:14

mean, I think even during that It Factor show, I

10:16

was turning down a lot of money and I had

10:18

no power. I had no running, frickin' water. Mm-hmm.

10:20

You know, so. I thought you meant Hollywood power. But

10:22

I'm living on $5 a month to eat. Like,

10:25

it's yum, yum donuts. You know, you get like 13

10:27

donut holes, 14 donut holes for

10:29

$0.99. I'm crushing those for two

10:31

weeks. Uh-huh. And, you know, donut hole a

10:33

day. It's like, it's brutal, dude. But,

10:36

you know, that when you know your- Sean's pants

10:38

are getting crowded. We're gonna go here. You

10:40

know your limits, right? You know what you're

10:42

allowing yourself to go. It's like, all right,

10:44

well, I don't have to say yes to

10:46

something just from money. And so it gives

10:48

me the power and the ball to say,

10:51

to note things. I love that. And then

10:53

Clint Barton comes along and you're like, how

10:55

much? Well,

10:57

what's the numbers? I'm

10:59

kidding, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. So, Hurt

11:01

Locker happens. You get the Academy Award

11:03

nomination and is there

11:06

then a waterfall of really

11:08

great options for you that become

11:10

somewhat problematic because you can't do them all? How

11:13

do you go about picking through all the

11:15

great stuff you're looking at then after that? I

11:18

feel like the calendar filled up pretty

11:20

quickly. I

11:22

don't know. What was next? Was the

11:24

town next? There's a town, yeah, was next.

11:27

There's a Mission Impossible. There's

11:29

Mission Impossible. Then Avengers

11:32

was booked, but it was shot later. And

11:34

then it was born. And

11:36

then it was Hans von Gretel

11:38

and there was Mission Impossible. So

11:40

it was like, all that

11:42

happened, all that happened probably within six months.

11:47

So they're all, for the most part, franchises, if

11:49

you will. So I kind of booked up. And

11:52

so they all got scheduled. So basically your

11:54

three, four years, five years is booked. Yeah,

11:56

it was like four years was jammed up.

11:58

I was gone. for four years.

12:01

Wow. And how did you deal with that, with being

12:03

away from home, living out of a suitcase? I

12:06

mean, that's a, and all

12:08

the fame too. Like, with that transition, talk

12:10

to us about that. Well, it's actually interesting.

12:12

It's, you know, I was kind

12:15

of very excited to have the opportunities. And by

12:17

the time, Borne was the last thing that kind

12:19

of came my way, and had already signed on

12:21

to Avengers. That's, you know, how many a decade

12:23

of your life. You have to sign on for

12:26

it. Doesn't mean you're gonna do it, but you

12:28

sign on for it, right? I'm gonna be 50

12:30

years old and fucking tights. Right? So that's what

12:32

I was having a conversation with, with the team.

12:34

I'm like, what am I doing this? Am I

12:36

really doing this? And then same with Mission Impossible.

12:38

You know, I talk with Tom, he's like, all

12:40

right, well, we're gonna do three of these. I'm

12:42

like, okay, well, there's, I'm like,

12:44

so my whole decade's booked, for the most

12:46

part, right? And then Borne comes around, and

12:48

he's like, oh, wow, I really creatively, obviously

12:50

love to do this. I

12:53

loved the videos involved, love with Matt, what

12:56

he did with it. But

12:58

I had to really pause and say, let

13:00

me think about this here. I'm kind of

13:02

jammed up already. Right. And this

13:04

is also, I'm the face of

13:06

the thing too, kind of different than Mission Impossible. It's

13:09

much more Tom and this type of thing. So it

13:12

was a quick 24 hour sort of thinking, you

13:14

know, session on it, but I had to take

13:17

pause on it. And it's all

13:19

that's very exciting, but I

13:21

knew there's, I gave up a decade of my

13:23

life. Well, and yeah, and Jeremy, were you worried

13:25

that when you make these decisions, did you ever

13:27

go down there? Cause I wonder if I would

13:29

do it, like go like, yeah,

13:31

today I want to do it, but

13:35

how am I going to feel five years from now if

13:37

I'm locked in a soft? We don't know that. We don't

13:39

know the things you can consider it, right? That's all you

13:41

can do is consider it. And it's like,

13:43

you're an idiot to say no to

13:45

these things. They're amazing opportunities. They're all

13:47

quality franchises, if you will. At what

13:50

cost? Yeah, at what cost it will

13:52

be something that will be determined later,

13:54

you know? And I knew I

13:56

was going to miss a lot, but

13:58

I knew that there was an- end to

14:01

it, right? And so I can like, let me go,

14:03

let me give it a go. And yeah,

14:06

don't be wrong, there are times where most of the time it was

14:09

amazing. Most of the time it was really

14:11

great. But then there was like, you know. You hadn't become a

14:13

dad yet, right? Yeah, I wasn't a dad yet. So

14:16

that's why I can have a really good time. I

14:18

was a single guy, I can just go out

14:20

and just focus on work and see the world,

14:22

right? And get paid to be in shape and

14:25

all these amazing things, right? It was fantastic. But

14:27

I did miss my family, right? That I'm very

14:29

deeply close with, it's very large. And so

14:31

I had like four birthdays in a row with my assistant

14:34

who's, I'm on January 7th. He

14:37

was January 8th. And he's

14:39

an exact decade younger than me. So we

14:41

celebrated our birthdays together like in a Ferrari

14:44

in Abu Dhabi. Going to an F1. I

14:48

mean, you know. Oh my God. That's

14:51

an episode of Will and Grace or something. Yeah,

14:54

exactly. Yeah, we actually shot it. I

14:56

don't know, but it was a great thing. But

14:59

you don't know what's, well, I'll come down the

15:01

road. It's a wonderful blessings and the perspective to

15:03

take from that, I do the

15:05

same thing all over again. Yeah. I

15:07

don't have the energy to do it now, but. Right. But

15:10

the schedule of those huge, huge

15:12

films with a lot of stunts

15:14

and special effects, the

15:17

budget on those allows for a

15:19

much slower movement, pacing

15:22

as far as knocking down pages

15:24

each day. Was that a

15:26

big transition for you coming from

15:28

even, I would

15:30

imagine the Hurt Locker was something that

15:32

was not as highly budgeted as these things.

15:35

What is that like? That snails pace?

15:38

Because sometimes on those stunt films like

15:40

Mission Impossible, the degree of difficulty is

15:43

just astronomical and the stunt complexity and

15:45

stuff where you're only shooting like, what

15:48

the audience sees is maybe 10 seconds. It might take

15:50

you a week to shoot that. How do you shoot

15:52

that? Three weeks, yeah, yeah. Like Mission Impossible, like that.

15:56

How do you keep your focus and

15:58

whatnot during that? Well, I initially

16:01

I think that the main

16:03

difference is just craft services. Yeah.

16:05

Yeah. It's a bit different.

16:07

Yeah, nice trailer. Yeah, it's in the trailer

16:09

side. But

16:12

yeah, it does take longer. But you know, a

16:14

lot of it is like in the prep too

16:16

for anything that's that physical. When

16:18

it's those physical movies, there's so much, you

16:20

know, it's months and months of physical prep

16:22

before you go do it. Getting in shape.

16:24

So then while you're doing it, you're training

16:26

like an athletic team or an athletic sport.

16:29

And you have to treat it as such. What

16:31

was your favorite way in which to get

16:34

in shape? Were you were you into the

16:36

boxing? Were you into cardio? Were you into

16:38

just cross training? I'm

16:40

sure it's been a bunch of things. You've been a show. Yeah,

16:42

yeah. I think it depends on what the role really

16:44

requires. Most of them, you know, like, for instance,

16:46

like the born born legacy that required

16:48

the most physical.

16:51

And so we had to train like

16:55

all sorts of mixed martial

16:57

arts and judo and just all

16:59

the different things, man. It's homework.

17:01

You get, you get, you get like, have those

17:03

like training mishaps where you end up getting clocked

17:05

in the face by the guy or you clock

17:07

somebody in the face. I

17:09

might as well. I might as well. I

17:12

might as well. Now,

17:14

when you go over to something like

17:16

American Hustle or Arrival is that it

17:21

must be nice where you don't have to wait

17:23

around for a bunch of stunt stuff and effect

17:25

stuff and you're doing much more sort of.

17:28

Well, it's a different kind of acting on

17:30

those films. Yeah. Did you love that transition?

17:34

Yeah. Well, I mean, it's just sort of that's

17:36

kind of more in the decision making to do

17:38

the job. You know, it's those are the easy

17:40

ones with great directors and

17:42

great writing and great characters. You can go

17:44

in with a lot more cerebral, much more

17:46

emotional context, right? Characters

17:49

and a lot more people to work with. And the

17:51

other ones, like from the Avengers and born and all

17:53

those mission possible. There's it's

17:56

much more about the stunts and the physical

17:58

stuff, which is. Which is fun, it's

18:01

just a different muscle to use.

18:03

And ideally you're sort of switching back and

18:05

forth, right? I think so, I mean to

18:07

keep it all interesting, right? I'm on the

18:09

third season of Mirror of Kingstown, right? I've

18:11

never done that before, repeated the same character.

18:13

You've done an Ozark and you've done a

18:15

ship. And the pace of that though is

18:17

much faster, right? Oh, it's nuts, right? That's

18:19

enjoyable that there's momentum, yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's

18:21

something interesting about it, there's a controlled chaos

18:23

in like, in

18:26

television today especially, you know, shooting.

18:29

You shoot like a film, like a 10 hour film

18:32

in a third of the time, you know, it's crazy. We'll

18:35

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21:52

were you able to struggle through the

21:55

really outrageously poor direction

21:58

from a guy like Ben Affleck? How

22:00

did you get through the town? It's

22:04

just a miracle the results that end up

22:06

on the screen on his films Was

22:09

it? Well, just just

22:11

walk us through it. Yeah. Yeah, he's great man

22:14

He's got a member meeting with better on that

22:16

I didn't that's first time I met him I'm

22:19

like how I think my first meeting with it

22:21

with him sitting across I'm like how my first

22:23

question to him was like how you gonna direct

22:25

this thing and act and star in it Yeah,

22:28

I mean you're kind of okay actor. I mean

22:30

how you With

22:35

him he's got easy, you know, he's a

22:37

feast. Yeah, he's so damn smart man I

22:41

working with him was was so so great

22:44

and I really learned how I mean he gave me

22:46

so much freedoms I mean, he says

22:48

we're not gonna do dialects. I've never been to Boston

22:50

in my life. Yeah Don't know

22:52

anything about it, right? He's like we're not

22:54

gonna do any dialect coaches. I'm like, okay

22:56

great What the fuck am I gonna

22:58

do that? I'm like, alright, he introduced me to a bunch of people

23:01

just got out of prison Yeah, I had

23:03

a bunch of shit-armed robbers on this shit bank robbers I

23:05

was hung out with these guys in the bars for a

23:07

couple weeks in town

23:09

and then I kind

23:11

of found the character and found what I was

23:13

gonna do. Oh, that's no way that's cool. Yeah.

23:15

Yeah Yeah, so it was it was

23:18

but if we didn't shoot in Boston, I would have

23:20

been royally screwed. Yeah Yeah,

23:22

but thank God. Thank God. We were there

23:24

because all all of my access to what

23:26

I needed was there and

23:28

and then he just wanted to be so smart

23:30

and He

23:33

just kind of let me do my thing and

23:36

At first he would start he would start to

23:38

mouth my my lines as I was acting with

23:40

them And

23:43

I'm like I had to turn my head and like

23:45

I'm gonna smash motherfucker But

23:48

only pissed me off to get me more the mood but

23:50

this guy But it

23:52

was like the very first scene we shot And

23:54

and I don't think he did it after that

23:56

anymore, but yeah, he was a great man. He

23:59

really was so And

32:00

there's something really fucking gratifying

32:03

about that where that

32:05

changed my life. Cause

32:07

I didn't never liked being a celebrity. I

32:09

never liked, you know, being adored for, people

32:12

call me hot guy, whatever. It's

32:15

being known for who you are

32:18

as a human is really fucking

32:20

cool. Yeah, something you did completely

32:22

on your own. I mean, obviously the help

32:24

of all the medical staff. And people treat

32:26

you different, they treat

32:29

me differently now. They don't treat me

32:31

like a fan of Hawkeye or whatever.

32:34

They're like, you know, here's an example.

32:37

On March, like two months,

32:39

three months after the accident, I

32:41

took my daughter to

32:45

Magic Mountain in LA, right? In Valencia,

32:48

to ride all these roller coasters. I got cleared with

32:50

all my cool things. I had to take that little,

32:52

the cart around, the

32:57

little golf cart thing you have to drive around,

32:59

you know, cause I couldn't walk very far. I

33:01

could maybe walk like, you know, 15, 20

33:04

feet. So I had to

33:06

drive this car around. But everywhere I went,

33:09

and like, it wasn't like I was being quiet

33:11

about it, you know? I was just being me

33:13

and I had a boom box. I brought plastic

33:15

music, I think having a good time. But I

33:17

go up the line, right? They let me sort

33:20

of go up in the front of the line.

33:22

But like people were like, like it was Rudy,

33:24

like slow clapping. And like, I'm glad you're okay.

33:26

There was such like a wonderful

33:29

camaraderie. Like normally that situation would be like,

33:31

oh, let me take something from you. I

33:33

want, I deserve a selfie. I want this,

33:36

I want this, take, you know, touch me,

33:38

whatever. Now it's like much more, there's

33:40

a level of like, give. Yeah,

33:42

it was, it was. But you gave, but.

33:44

That's a wonderful shift that happened that, you

33:46

know. Yeah, I think that because you've given

33:49

so many people so much pleasure through your

33:51

art and through what you do, that

33:53

that applause is thank you for

33:55

that. And we're so glad that

33:58

the guy that we love is doing. It

34:00

was really cool. But also it's that feeling,

34:03

just that getting that love, right, feels

34:06

so good. Yeah, it made me believe

34:08

in goodness in people that

34:11

I didn't fucking think existed. Yeah. I

34:14

love that. Wow. In a big,

34:16

big way, right? Not just a group of

34:18

people, and not just a couple people in

34:20

my hometown or my neighborhood. This is like

34:22

in a pretty global way that this has

34:24

happened. I think people are, for the most

34:26

part, people are good. I

34:29

do. I believe that too. I just don't think

34:31

they're in the right situations to have that come

34:33

out. You're right, but you had spent so much

34:35

time being somewhat, I don't

34:37

know if I'm using this word correctly, but

34:39

somewhat objectified, which is kind of built into

34:41

the, baked into the cake. It's kind of,

34:44

it's what we do. We all have public

34:46

jobs, and there's certainly nothing to be resentful

34:48

about with that, but at your level, I'm

34:50

sure you were just saturated

34:53

with you being sort

34:55

of approached and acknowledged as

34:57

an object, and

35:00

that there's a bit of an ownership

35:02

from the audience because of that, and

35:05

basically, I can understand that, but

35:07

this was a different kind of acknowledgement.

35:09

It was, no, we're actually people. We're

35:11

not looking at Jeremy as a commodity.

35:13

We're looking at him as a human

35:15

being, and we could have died just

35:17

like he almost died. All right. Yeah,

35:19

well, also they became allies. We were

35:21

equals, and they were my ally. They

35:23

were the ones. Yeah, they became human.

35:25

Everyone, every thought or prayer, if you

35:27

will, is something I actually needed. I

35:29

needed everything to recover. Right, and on

35:31

Instagram, when I saw you post that

35:33

video of you running, like, it

35:36

was like one day you were, the

35:38

accident happened, and it seemed like a week

35:40

later, but I'm sure it was six months

35:42

or a year later, you're jogging uphill this

35:45

steep driveway. I was like, oh my God,

35:47

I can't even do that, and I didn't

35:49

get hit by a snowmobile. Like, you know

35:51

what I mean? Hang on,

35:54

Sean, what if we put a stir fry thing

35:56

right at the top of it? That's a good

35:58

incentive. You'd get up that hill. Good incentive. Jeremy,

36:01

you told me something at

36:04

that dinner, and I hope you're comfortable relaying

36:06

it on this. It

36:09

was a story about,

36:11

you know, to sort of make

36:13

sort of the stupid description of

36:15

it, basically seeing the light and

36:18

how there is an absolute similarity,

36:24

if not identical type

36:26

of experience that is repeated

36:29

around the world from people that get

36:31

this close to death. And the way

36:34

you relate it to me was in

36:37

a way that was so sort of encouraging

36:41

about possibly what

36:43

that moment is to the point where, I

36:45

don't want to put words in your mouth,

36:47

but it sounded like you no longer have

36:49

as much a fear of death as you

36:51

did before. And after hearing that story, I

36:53

too share, I'm not looking forward to

36:55

that moment, but I'm not as fearful of

36:58

it as I once was. So to

37:00

the extent you're comfortable, please. Yeah,

37:03

yeah, for me, I think most people have,

37:06

I have a different relationship with fear, first

37:08

and foremost, because I worked on it every

37:10

day, something I was afraid of for a

37:12

decade. I just, so I

37:14

just don't have a lot of fear in my life. I

37:17

certainly wasn't afraid of death, but you can

37:19

think that and believe that. But it's a

37:21

confirmation now, I found there's a lot of

37:23

confirmations when you're tested to your limits and

37:25

to your death and come back.

37:28

There's a lot of confirmations that

37:30

come out of that. Because I

37:32

can believe in XYZ, but now there's proof in

37:34

the pudding because I went there. And

37:37

yeah, the exhilarating

37:40

peace that happens in

37:44

leaving this body with this limitations

37:46

of spinning on this rock and

37:48

this body with air

37:50

and gravity, all this bullshit, right? But when you're,

37:54

it's an exhilaration and it's just a

37:56

freedom. So you remember feeling

37:59

that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

38:01

Feeling that. Yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah,

38:03

and I take that feeling with me all the

38:05

time now. It's a- Wow. It's,

38:07

you can't really put a visual

38:09

to it because there's no time,

38:12

place, or space. It's all sort

38:14

of a continuum. Every

38:16

human, every exchange that's happened

38:18

is happening simultaneously all at once.

38:20

It kind of has a little bit of that

38:22

arrival kind of vibe in it. Wow. It's

38:25

like everything's all at once, and it's a continuum.

38:27

And it's fucking exhilarating as it is

38:29

peaceful at the same time. Wow. It's

38:32

the greatest way I can describe it.

38:34

Now, you really did see the light

38:36

that everybody talks about, yeah? It's, yeah,

38:38

to me it was, it's a sort

38:40

of fibrous, like a muscle fibrous sort

38:42

of connectivity to all, it's

38:45

all energy, right? So I guess that's

38:48

the feeling that it is. I can't even say it's a visual

38:50

because I don't feel like any of that's there. Wow.

38:52

Now, isn't it true that like, well,

38:56

you were telling me or something about like

38:58

you can rec, science has discovered a way to

39:00

create that with certain drugs

39:03

or circumstances where you can, that

39:05

same, do you know what I'm talking about? Like that same light

39:08

or the same thing? Will, were you trying to sell Sean something

39:10

out of your van at that moment? No. No,

39:13

I don't remember. I was saying that if you go, if you go,

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you know where, and see, you know, well, there's

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a guy, Jay Rock, I told you about. You

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39:31

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39:34

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39:39

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And back to the show. Jeremy,

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in all seriousness, you

43:28

know, that that is thank you for

43:30

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43:32

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43:34

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43:37

it is, you know, I

43:39

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43:42

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43:45

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43:47

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