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code audio. Hi

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snap listeners, I'm Stephanie Gamolka with

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oxygen.com. We are

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bringing you a very special bonus

1:39

episode today to mark the 20th

1:41

anniversary of snapped. By the end

1:44

of season 33 snapped will have produced

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more than 646

1:48

episodes. To commemorate the anniversary

1:51

we spoke with executive producer and

1:53

showrunner Madeline Griffey and director of

1:55

recreations Dave Lane about the show's

1:57

cultural impact and staying power with

1:59

audiences over the years. Plus,

2:01

could you be part of a snapped recreation

2:03

one day? We'll tell you how. Take

2:05

a listen. Tell me

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about the case that your team has

2:09

selected for this anniversary special. So

2:13

the Cherie Miller case was originally

2:16

a snapped season two case. And

2:18

it's a wild story. They call it

2:21

the internet's first murder because this woman

2:23

was in chat rooms in the 90s,

2:27

like planning and scheming. And

2:29

this is a really unique

2:31

case because since it aired

2:33

on snapped, her case has

2:35

continued. And you get

2:37

to see in this episode how the airing

2:39

of the original episode has

2:41

affected her life. And I don't

2:45

want to give away too much because

2:47

I want viewers to be able to

2:49

experience it. But it's a really unique

2:51

situation where the airing of the original

2:53

snapped episode affected this woman's life. And

2:56

you get to see how things changed. And

2:58

more has happened since then. So I think

3:01

it's a really exciting revisit of one of

3:03

snap's original cases. For those who

3:05

haven't watched the two hour special yet, here's a quick

3:07

sneak peek. In

3:15

2005, a twisted case

3:17

was featured on the second season

3:19

of Snap. This was the first

3:22

internet murder case.

3:24

Back in 1999, our department was

3:26

in the infancy stage of learning about the

3:28

internet. This captured

3:31

the nation's attention. It

3:34

begins with a mysterious shooting.

3:37

My brother-in-law, he's waiting on the floor in this place.

3:40

The money was missing. His wallet was missing.

3:44

But the investigation unearthed a

3:46

sinister plot orchestrated by

3:48

a master manipulator using

3:51

the internet to lure in victims.

3:54

The first chats that they had were pretty

3:56

mundane, but they quickly turned sexual. Her

3:59

screen names and just hot to see

4:01

you, 47249. It

4:04

blindsided us. We're going, holy,

4:06

where did this come from? That was

4:09

part of her game, playing on his emotions.

4:13

Now, nearly 20 years later, there

4:16

is more to the fascinating story of

4:18

the internet's first murder case, an

4:21

investigation that helped usher in the

4:24

modern age of true crime. I

4:27

watched a lot of snap. There was something in

4:29

her eyes. I thought she was innocent. Her

4:32

conviction was appealed. The

4:34

court ruled she should get a new trial.

4:38

She had a book line in her finger, and

4:40

she just kept on getting away with it. She's

4:42

diabergal. She's

4:45

probably a more legal person I've met. I

4:51

saw some of the number breakdowns, too,

4:54

just about snapped as we approached this 20th

4:57

year anniversary, and it's more than 600 episodes.

5:00

Talk to me about that. What is it

5:02

like to reach that milestone for this show? It

5:05

really feels like an accomplishment, especially

5:07

because when snap started, true

5:10

crime was not as

5:12

much of a thing as it is today. I

5:15

think when snap first started, it was really

5:17

unique. There weren't

5:19

as many competitors, but it was

5:24

just a totally different landscape. We

5:26

are really just making

5:29

sure that we're telling these stories the best way

5:31

possible and that it's only improved over

5:33

the years and that our viewership continues

5:35

to be great and increase and

5:37

that we have these really dedicated fans who have been with

5:39

us for 20 years. Let's talk

5:41

about when it comes to the recreations and

5:44

also just the process of pitch to screen

5:46

for snap. Where does the pitch process

5:48

start? Talk to me about the research that

5:50

goes into an episode and then finally getting

5:52

into the shooting of an episode. Yeah,

5:55

we have a whole team

5:57

of really excellent pre-production books.

6:00

And so, they are, we are constantly

6:03

watching courts and just keeping an eye out on

6:05

the news for anything that comes up. And

6:07

as soon as a woman's

6:09

name comes up, we flagged it and

6:11

we are tracking it as it goes

6:13

through the judicial process. And generally, we

6:15

have to wait until a case is

6:17

fully adjudicated because we want to make sure

6:20

that our viewers really want to see

6:22

the justice. They want to see this full resolution

6:24

of the case. So, we wait until it's fully

6:26

adjudicated, but we're tracking it and we're gathering archives

6:29

and keeping track of who the big

6:31

voices are in cases from day one.

6:33

And then as soon as we can, our bookers make

6:36

sure that we're getting the voices that we need

6:38

to tell these stories and do these stories justice.

6:40

And so, a lot of SNAP is making sure

6:43

that we are telling the

6:45

victim's story that this is, we're

6:47

keeping in mind, this is someone's life and

6:49

this has really affected everyone that

6:51

is involved. And so, we want

6:53

to make sure we have the investigators who

6:55

are walking us through their process. We want

6:57

to make sure we have the prosecutors who

6:59

are talking us through the intricacies of the

7:02

court case. We need the victim's family to

7:04

talk to us about how, like, who this

7:06

person was and how this has affected so

7:08

many people. We need someone who

7:10

can speak to the part. We want to

7:12

know, like, what was the situation? How

7:15

did this arise? What are her, like,

7:17

quirks, her details? How do we think

7:19

this happened? And so, it's just really,

7:22

SNAP is, I

7:25

feel like there are a lot of true crime shows out

7:27

there but SNAP is really strong because

7:29

we make sure we have all these firsthand

7:32

voices who are walking us through and we

7:34

are learning about the case with them through

7:36

their eyes as it progresses. And so, I

7:38

think that's what makes it such a cool

7:41

and unique show. It just continues

7:43

from there so we get all

7:45

of these voices on board and of course we

7:47

go to Oxygen and we are only presenting

7:49

them the best cases that we can find. It's

7:52

tough because after 2020 there was a

7:54

big delay in sort of cases going

7:56

through the court process and so there

7:58

are a Lot of cases that we can find.

8:00

how many cases that have the mystery that

8:03

are in treating enough to be a great

8:05

episode. Of the worldly presenting the

8:07

best possible cases shares with

8:09

are wonderful network. Executives and

8:11

we talk about like. Hey how

8:13

can we. Tell the

8:16

story and. From their way in. while our

8:18

film producers formerly like they blame to really

8:20

dive into the story and we write an

8:22

outline to make sure we're hitting all these

8:25

points that we have to head to make

8:27

sure that we're really getting everything we need

8:29

in the field they go in the field

8:32

comes back with script writer his guts to

8:34

the editor as we have a full post

8:36

team that making sure we have all the

8:38

photos, any news and video, anything that we

8:41

can't, make sure that we're really visually telling

8:43

as compelling story as strongly as possible. and

8:45

then of course. We have the recreate teams

8:47

and we should all have our beliefs and

8:50

are filled produces out to wear. That crime

8:52

happened but all of our recreation. Are

8:54

produced and shot here and myself to

8:56

ever really strong group of people who

8:58

make sure that we can visually tell

9:00

a story. That happens in

9:03

Florida but were shooting in

9:05

Knoxville, Tennessee and trying to

9:07

sell a lake beats s

9:09

sunny Florida. so we feel

9:11

about the challenges year but.

9:13

With get a really strong team

9:15

and then it goes through the

9:18

post process and gets delivered are

9:20

recreations department consists of. It is

9:22

a one stop shop for. All.

9:24

Things Reenactments and all things

9:26

creative. We have wardrobe designers

9:28

we have set designers we

9:31

of course have a photographer's

9:33

and us has been Cameras

9:35

locations counts on their their

9:37

it runs the gamut on

9:39

a lot of creative minds

9:41

coming together to capture. The.

9:44

Essence of each story that recover a

9:46

big part of what we do is

9:48

ours is trying to. Match.

9:52

The. Visuals and that is everything

9:54

down to the smallest detail

9:56

that we can in terms

9:58

of. local in terms

10:00

of matching the type of home that

10:03

the crime happened in. If it was a mid-century

10:06

modern home, we scour Knoxville,

10:09

Tennessee, where our company is based and we

10:11

find a slew of mid-century modern homes. We

10:15

work with homeowners to get access to

10:17

those homes to recreate those

10:20

stories as best that we can.

10:23

We want that to feel as seamless as possible

10:25

while capturing the essence of the story. We've

10:29

covered stories that

10:31

run multiple decades. We have

10:33

a 15,000 square foot studio

10:35

space that includes about

10:38

6,000 square feet dedicated

10:40

to wardrobe and props.

10:45

Wardrobe runs the gamut from the 1920s all the

10:47

way to 2024. Depending

10:52

on the age of the case, we

10:54

can also produce props

10:57

and wardrobes and other set

10:59

pieces, furniture pieces that fit

11:01

that story as well. It

11:04

is to us all about doing the

11:06

story justice and really

11:08

capturing the essence of

11:11

that story so that when not

11:14

only viewers see Snap as

11:16

a field producer and a

11:19

recreation director, I

11:21

do think about the individuals, the folks

11:23

that we interview who are involved in

11:25

the actual story, in the actual case

11:27

as well. One

11:30

standard that I like to try to

11:32

adhere to is that would they be

11:34

happy? Would they be okay with the

11:36

story that we have presented? We

11:40

want our actors to kind of resemble them.

11:42

We want the wardrobe to

11:45

kind of resemble what they wear. We

11:48

think about those details and we

11:51

really sweat the small stuff because

11:53

I think that is

11:55

what has led to Snap being so

11:58

trusted for as long as we can. as

12:00

it has, had we not had that

12:02

trust with the people that we interview.

12:05

And a lot of the stories like snapped

12:07

behind bars where we revisit cases, we wouldn't

12:09

have been welcomed back if we didn't have

12:11

that trust. I'm curious, what

12:14

were some of the instances where it was like,

12:16

we need this really specific, unique

12:19

prop or room or

12:21

murder weapon that your

12:23

team just pulled off and found it and

12:25

was able to source something. We

12:28

got a case and we were reading

12:30

through and thinking ahead to what we're

12:32

going to need for recreations. And this

12:34

woman was identified partially

12:37

because someone spotted her pink,

12:39

bright pink Cadillac parked on the side

12:42

of the road. And we were like,

12:44

this is going to be impossible. Like how

12:47

are we going to find this? And somehow

12:49

our team was able to track down someone

12:51

who knew someone who knew someone who had

12:53

a bright pink antique Cadillac

12:55

that worked perfectly for the shot. And

12:57

we were like beyond thrilled that we were

12:59

able to make that happen for the,

13:02

that was the Sharon Hurt episode. I'm

13:04

about to ask what episode was it

13:06

for the shots of that Cadillac. If

13:09

someone wanted to be in a recreation, you

13:12

know, what is the process for you guys

13:14

finding those actors? We

13:16

have a casting department and they

13:19

will often put out casting calls on

13:21

a Facebook page that

13:23

we maintain Jupiter casting.

13:27

And we will find

13:29

talent. You know, we've had talent

13:31

from as I mean,

13:34

probably most all states, we've had talent work

13:36

with us, but we do see a lot

13:39

of talent from, you know, we're

13:41

in the southeast and so we pull from

13:43

Charlotte, North Carolina, Atlanta, Georgia. I've

13:46

had talent travel from Texas. It is

13:48

such a legacy show and it has

13:50

such reach. You know,

13:52

for anyone interested in being on

13:54

Snap, we have

13:57

an email address info at

13:59

JupiterC If

14:02

anyone wanted to email a

14:04

headshot to info at

14:06

Jupiter ent.com, we'll always

14:08

make considerations for anyone who wants

14:10

to act in one of the shows

14:12

for sure. Over 600

14:15

episodes means that we have seen

14:18

a lot of stories. We have

14:20

seen it all. And like every bizarre

14:23

and unique case, it's like you

14:25

never know what you're going to

14:27

come up with. And this

14:30

season, I mean, it still continues

14:32

to surprise you sort of how

14:35

these stories can be so different and

14:37

these just going on these journeys with

14:39

these families and these investigators. And

14:42

like this season, we have a killer

14:45

clown, you know, we have there are just

14:47

all of these things that come up that

14:49

you never think you're going to see. And

14:52

it continues to surprise you, no matter

14:55

how long you've done it. So

14:57

what is it accurate to

14:59

say season 33 still

15:01

surprises SNAPD producers? Absolutely.

15:04

Absolutely. I

15:08

remember being at the premiere for episode one,

15:11

we had a premiere party for

15:13

episode one of SNAPD. They were 30 minutes

15:15

at that time. We used a

15:17

green screen background. The show looked

15:20

a lot different than it does now. And,

15:23

you know, we just kind of joked. We're like, I

15:26

wonder how long this one will be around. And,

15:30

you know, we had a lot

15:32

of high hopes. But you know, we

15:34

thought, man, if we get it, if we get a

15:36

season or two out of this

15:38

series, that's going to be awesome, because

15:40

we just didn't know how people were going to take it. We're

15:43

still talking about SNAPD and it's still like so present

15:45

in our lives. I mean, we it

15:48

has been something that we have lived

15:50

and breathed for a lot of

15:52

years. And I don't know, honestly,

15:54

I really

15:56

if you set anybody down who worked on that,

15:58

who's worked on SNAPD. and said, did you think

16:00

it would be around this long? I don't know that anyone

16:03

would have said, I was confident it

16:05

would have, because the

16:07

television industry itself, the landscape of

16:09

the television industry, the

16:11

landscape of how tastes

16:13

change and media

16:16

changes, SNAP has

16:18

been able to navigate and survive all

16:20

that. And I don't know that

16:22

anybody ever saw that coming. I really don't. Head

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