This episode’s guest is Sera Jayne! Sera is a musician, worship pastor, works with an up north sauna company, and is an absolutely beautiful human. Sera blew us away in this episode and you can tell by the energy we have throughout, how much this conversation inspires us.

Sera speaks on their coming out journey and how deconstructing Christianity has led them to finding a new safe space in the form of a church. Andi and Mar share a bit about their own journeys with deconstructing Christianity and redefining what spirituality means to them.

We discuss the illusion of comfort in having control, why change is so scary, and where that actually stems from systemically in our society.

“Everything that’s living is changing.”

We ask questions like, are we meant to understand all the variables? How would it feel for us to just be okay with not having all the answers? What is Christianity or spirituality supposed to feel like?

Sera offers a super great tip that involves 6 questions they choose to ask themselves when they are in a place where they are feeling anxious or out of control.

Sera gives meaning to the root causes of the need for control in our society, specifically for white people; “the centering desire for control, is rooted in internalized colonialism,” and we decided we need an entire episode to talk deeper on this subject.

Cally and Sera dive into their passion for music and how it relates to their lives spiritually. We get the honor of hearing some updates on music they are both gracing the world with very soon.

“We are just music making music.”

Sera shares:

Michael Gungor & The Liturgists podcast

Find Sera @sera.jayne on Instagram 

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