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Hey everybody, I hope you enjoyed last week's,

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well the last two weeks, public

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domain short story mystery.

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It was a lot of fun to do, and

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I talked about in that episode that we had

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done things like that years

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ago, before Solve This Murder was even

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an idea, we had done things

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like that on our Patreon

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feed. And in fact I found out afterwards that

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literally the first piece of bonus audio

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we ever did for our $5

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patrons for Escape This Podcast was

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a proto-Solve This Murder. It was a public

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domain story that we turned into a

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playable murder mystery.

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So it's been a long time

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since we uploaded those,

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and I think we've had enough time to

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put them

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up here on the Solve This Murder feed

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for free. These were

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something that we made back when we didn't

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know whether this would work as a format, and

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we wanted to try it out. So we picked a public

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domain story. In this case, the very

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first episode was an Edgar Allan

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Poe murder mystery, Murders

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on the Rue Morgue.

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If you know Murders on the Rue Morgue,

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I'm sure you'll be excited to see if I can solve this

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one. And if you don't, I hope you enjoy listening

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to my attempt

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to take on the role of a Poe

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detective, not a Christie one, and solve

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this murder.

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Now, subtle warning, this

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was back when we had our old audio set up, so the sound

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isn't quite as good as you'll be used to, but

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you'll get used to it in about 4 seconds, and then you'll enjoy

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the rest of the episode. I just listened through

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to this for the first time since we recorded it, and I

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found it pretty fun. I think I do very well in

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this mystery, to be honest. So give it

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a listen. I hope you enjoy it. This will come

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out this week, and there are a few more of

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these. There are two other short stories done over

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three episodes that we started our original Patreon

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bonus episodes with, so I think I'll try and

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get all of those up on this feed, so you can have

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some fun look at the archives,

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at the history of what

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became Solve This Murder. before it was solved

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this murder. So give it a listen

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and have some fun. All right,

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here we go. So

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what we're doing today is we're actually taking a pre-written

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mystery story and I've adapted

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it to make it a little bit

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more of an exploratory

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you can be a character and roam around

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the scene sort of thing and

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you're gonna try to solve this murder. Well

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it's like doing an old detective novel except

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I'm the detective rather than someone trying to escape I'm

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someone who's trying to solve the mystery.

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Exactly. So you're saying you've adapted one what are

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we doing today? Well

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this is what is often known

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as the first whodunit story which

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is Murders in the Room Morgue by Edgar

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Allan Poe. Oh nice. Yeah

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and look I've got to warn you because

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it is the first whodunit that exists

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it might not follow

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some of the conventions that

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you're quite used to. All right. Some

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of the rules might be broken like you know

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you've got your standard it

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wasn't someone's evil twin that was the

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murderer and that sort of thing very

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typical. Yeah okay so maybe the butler did it.

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I mean maybe the butler did it.

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All right.

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So let's see how this goes it's going to be a little

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bit yeah interesting because I'm going to

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leave it really open to how you choose to explore

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this murder and I've only got what

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was in the short story to work on. If

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you go in other little strange directions

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then I may have to make up a few

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details that weren't in the original story but

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I'll be as faithful as I can. And

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again I feel the need to emphasize don't

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necessarily expect a satisfying

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ending. No no it's going to be wonderful.

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Okay so this should be a lot of fun. I

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suppose we should get stuck into it.

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All right so I'm not even necessarily

3:52

giving you the character

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of the detective at this point. I'm

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just telling you that you have this street that

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is called called Roumorg, Roux

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being French first straight. So we're in Paris,

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it's 1840, and all you know

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is that in one of the houses along here,

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murder or murders has happened. A

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murder must foul.

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So you can explore the scenery

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in the house, out the house, talk to people,

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there are, I've dealt with just witnesses,

4:21

character witnesses who knew the victims, some experts

4:25

who might know this sort of thing. So I'm just arriving on the scene? You

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start wherever and whenever you want. Am

4:29

I a consulting detective like most

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stuff, or am I just a police detective? You are some

4:34

sort of ghost person who has

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no omniscience and no affiliation

4:39

with the police as such, so

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you don't know everything that the police know, for instance.

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You are just a

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ghost

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explorer who is legally

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or illegally allowed to touch and explore whatever

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you want. Okay, so

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I guess

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I just go, right? Alright, so

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you're going... There was

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a murder, there was a specific murder? Yes,

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we have the street. All

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you know is that there is a house on the street

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in which a murder has taken place. And I know

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which house? You can go along and you

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can... Yeah, go down the street, is there anything

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with... Alright, there are some big arrows

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pointing to the murder house. Okay,

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so I know the house that the murder took place in. Are

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there currently police or other people there that

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I can talk to, or is it just, can I look around?

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If you want to talk to a policeman, yes, there is

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a policeman that you can discuss things with.

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Okay. So, we have

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Isidore Musette, the policeman

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on the scene, who was present

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as part of the party that discovered

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the bodies.

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Okay, can I have a look, before I talk to the police, before

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I get his idea, can I see the crime scene?

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Sure. So you go up to this house, it's

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a four-storey house. Sure.

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Apparently Parisian houses,

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quite substantially large. You

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can just open the front door, take a look around, bottom

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floor is completely normal. until you find

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some stairs. You wander

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up, second floor, again everything normal,

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third floor, normal, fourth

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floor. This is where it gets a little

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bit interesting. There is a door that

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has been

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broken in,

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and there's a room up here that is in complete

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and utter disarray. There

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are broken

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chairs, there are tables lying

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around, there's a bed over in one

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corner and all of its dressings have been thrown

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about into the middle of the floor. It's a bit

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of a nasty murder. There is blood

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all over the place. The bed, the floor,

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the walls, there is random

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objects littering the ground. And

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if you want to know where the bodies were, it's

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interesting. One of them was

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a young woman stuffed in

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the fireplace. The

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other was nowhere to be seen

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until the people

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discovered it outside. Oh.

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On the ground. On the ground. Several

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stories down potentially. So

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whether it had been walked down or thrown down,

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whatever, it is outside.

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Is there any indication that, like,

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I know the room is in complete disarray, there's

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stuff all over the floor. Is there a window

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that has been smashed or broken? So

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you take a look first at some entry points and

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you've got this door. Yes, that was broken

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down. Does it look, do I know whether it was broken

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down from the inside or from the outside? From the outside

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for sure. So someone's knocked it in. Yes. Okay,

7:30

cool. The fireplace, not an opening

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as such. You couldn't climb in and out of it. Okay,

7:35

so it couldn't come down the fire. No, it's a

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nary sort of thing. There are

7:39

two windows. One is behind the bed and

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one of them more open. Both

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of them appear to be closed and locked from the

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inside.

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Oh, okay. So they're not broken,

7:50

currently closed and locked. From looking

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at them, that's what it seems. Okay, so I mean, look, if they

7:54

were open, you could throw someone out and then close

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it again. Presumably.

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they didn't get thrown out of the window.

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If I, do people

8:04

know maybe I'll have to talk to the policeman or someone

8:06

else? If the

8:08

body that was outside looked like it had fallen

8:10

from four stories or it was just like gently

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killed and then placed?

8:15

Yeah, absolutely, ask the people who

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found the body

8:17

about this sort of thing. I will, I will. Okay,

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so the first three floors were all pretty normal.

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Yeah. The door that I came in, the main

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door, was that broken in?

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No, that was totally fine.

8:30

In fact, on this sort of nice Parisian street, I

8:33

would say it wasn't even locked.

8:33

Wow, okay. Oh, that's all right. So

8:36

that's how they could have gotten in. The

8:38

fact that there's no disarray in any of the,

8:41

I will say it does say that they forced the door

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open, the front door. Oh, okay.

8:46

Don't think it's particularly relevant. So it was

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closed. Okay, so it was forced open.

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Well,

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that is forced open by the people

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who arrived on the scene to

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discover the nerve. So it was

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in normal condition. When

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the murder happened, it seemed. So maybe the person who murdered them

9:02

was someone they knew, like they led

9:05

into their house and said, oh yeah, please come back. And then

9:07

it wasn't until they went, oh, actually no, I'm

9:09

gonna lock myself in my bedroom. This is getting violent. Like

9:12

they didn't have to burst the door open

9:14

to get in. Though maybe it just isn't locked

9:16

if that's what people do. Okay,

9:18

I wanna talk to Isadore

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Musette, is that his name? Yes. Oh,

9:23

I'm so good. Who was the first

9:26

arrival on the scene, right? The police were arriving on

9:28

the scene. The policeman who was first to arrive on the scene. All right, I

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would like to say, Amicia Musette,

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Bonnui, Bonnui, Monsieur. Do

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you have any information, Pommois?

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He's actually South African. Pommois, about?

9:40

Rue Morgue is a very international street. You will

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find out. All right, sorry, I'm gonna try that again. Hello,

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Isadore Musette, do you have any information

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for me regarding the

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murder that has happened on Rue Street? All right, so

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what would you like to know? Not Rue Street, Morgue

9:55

Street. Yep, what would you like to know? Did

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you have a look at the body on the... That

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it's on the ground. Oh These

10:03

bodies were grisly business from what

10:05

I thought it took us forever to find that

10:08

one Oh really, where was it just in the bushes

10:10

or just you didn't look outside No, exactly

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So we like

10:13

we got reports that there was there was screaming

10:15

coming from the upper floor of this house So

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a group of us like forced our way in the

10:20

we went up to the fourth floor where things were

10:23

going wrong and The door was

10:25

locked. So we had to bash our way in to

10:27

the fourth floor door. Oh Interesting

10:30

so it was the police who broke open the the

10:32

door to the fourth floor. Yeah, that's right. Oh This

10:35

wasn't

10:36

just us the police it was me and some

10:38

concerned neighbors.

10:39

Oh, who would they have been? Mocet

10:42

so we had Alfonso

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Garcia who lives on the street

10:47

is a multicultural. Yeah, William

10:49

bird who Just was

10:52

in the area. He's lived in Paris

10:54

for a couple of years now

10:55

that bird with a wife No, and

10:57

another passerby Alberto Montani Oh Montani

11:01

how do you saw that? Miss you mocet? Mo

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nta n I okay, and they're not

11:06

police off. They were concerned. No,

11:07

no Yeah, we it was very early in the

11:09

morning and there was screaming coming from this

11:11

house So when

11:12

you entered there was still screaming? Oh, no by

11:14

the time we sort of reached these a war thing

11:16

the door open stage The screaming had stopped.

11:19

Okay When you arrived on scene

11:21

with this still screaming,

11:21

I mean I was on the street

11:23

at the time on my

11:24

patrol So so we're

11:26

gonna get a very gone. Mmm Yeah,

11:29

it's very good. You couldn't have gotten out of the house before

11:31

you arrived

11:32

Look, I grant we weren't exactly

11:34

doing a sweep of the area

11:37

at that stage We were just concerned about

11:39

hearing screaming voices true now

11:41

now back to these bodies that you wanted to hear about Okay,

11:45

so there are a few other things by the

11:47

time we got in it was completely quiet inside And

11:50

like I said, it took us a while to find Mostly

11:53

the body outside the one inside took us

11:55

a little while as well.

11:56

It was Jimmy

11:58

that was really kind Like a goose.

12:01

Nasty. Now it must have

12:03

taken extraordinary effort to do that.

12:05

That is not an easy thing. It took us ages to get

12:08

that body

12:08

out. So it was just sitting in there. It

12:10

was stuffed. It was sort of stuffed in there. Okay. Her

12:13

body was still warm. This

12:15

unsurprisingly hadn't happened

12:17

long ago.

12:18

There was blood on her face and

12:21

some deep marks on her neck. And

12:23

this was a younger woman. I

12:26

believe I've heard in the meantime that this

12:28

was a daughter who lived there.

12:30

Oh okay, daughter of the homeowner. Yeah, well yes.

12:32

She and her mother both lived here. Okay, the

12:35

body you found on the ground, was that possibly her mother?

12:36

It was her mother. Now this was

12:39

very peculiar. So we found the body behind

12:41

the house. It

12:43

did look like full

12:45

damage may have taken place but that was clearly

12:48

not what killed her. Now are you ready

12:51

for this? This is a little bit gruesome. Hold on.

12:54

Yeah, give it to me.

12:55

Her throat was cut so

12:58

deeply that when

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the

13:01

people came on the scene and tried

13:03

to lift her body up. Her head fell

13:05

off.

13:06

Her head fell off. It was horrific.

13:10

Now was it definitely

13:12

attached to the body before they picked it up?

13:15

It seemed to be, yes it was

13:16

just... Okay, so this isn't a head swap situation.

13:19

Goodness no.

13:23

What crimes have you been

13:24

reading? You must say when you are in

13:26

the force as long as I have been, you see

13:29

these sorts of things. Head

13:31

swaps, leg

13:33

swaps, arm swaps, they swap

13:35

all the body parts to make it look like one body

13:37

when there is actually two.

13:39

I will tell you that while this

13:41

story, Murders in the Room Orb, does defy

13:44

a few of the expectations, the person

13:46

who is solving the murder is exactly

13:48

the sort of person that you expect it to be. It's

13:50

just the random eccentric middle

13:53

aged man who happens to be great

13:55

at observing things.

13:56

They call

13:59

me the Observe Man.

14:01

It is

14:03

French for l'emagnificent

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observaire. So please,

14:08

Monsieur Morset doesn't question my message.

14:10

You're alienating our French listeners. Do you not question my message? Oh,

14:12

we do have French listeners. I apologise

14:15

if this is how you say offensive

14:17

to you.

14:18

What more would you like

14:20

to know?

14:20

Go French sir. We are talking

14:23

about the head swap. There was

14:25

no head swap.

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Ah.

14:27

Okay, um, now

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do you know I'd be able to talk to Alfonso,

14:31

William and Alberto, wouldn't I? Yes,

14:34

absolutely. The three men who helped. Is there anything else

14:36

you know about this scene? Do you know the

14:38

mother and daughter, were they the only people who lived in this house or was

14:41

there also a husband and father in the meeting? No,

14:43

it was just them.

14:44

Look, there were a couple of other strange things

14:46

that I noticed while we were in the house. So

14:49

we went on the bottom floor, went from room

14:51

to room trying to find things that were wrong. Doubtless,

14:54

you noticed. Nothing's wrong down there. Nothing.

14:57

We climbed up the stairs. While we were about

15:00

on the second floor, we did hear

15:02

voices

15:02

before we

15:04

made it up there. So the screaming had stopped,

15:06

but something

15:07

was going on. Now when you say voices, multiple

15:09

people. There were two voices that I heard. Male

15:12

or female? Look,

15:15

that's kind of tricky. I'm not sure if it's because

15:17

this house is so well built that I couldn't quite,

15:20

you know, get an idea

15:22

of it. You're not sure? It was

15:24

shockingly vague. I'll actually

15:27

tell you exactly how confusing this was. So

15:29

there were two voices. Best I can do, one

15:32

was high and one was low.

15:35

They definitely weren't speaking French. I

15:38

think that the

15:40

higher voice might have been speaking in Spanish.

15:43

Oh, like Alfonso Carrera. Is that

15:45

his name? Carrera?

15:47

Garcia, wasn't it? Garcia. I just can't

15:50

remember my own

15:51

writing. But the other voice is lower voice. It

15:54

was a bit softer, and it

15:56

did speak French

15:57

for a moment.

15:58

It said...

15:59

And my god. Oh

16:01

my god, Mon Dieu! Mon Dieu!

16:04

Mon Dieu! But yeah, so... But the rest was possibly in Spanish

16:06

as well?

16:08

Well, the high-voiced person.

16:10

I think they were speaking Spanish. Sure.

16:13

And your limited understanding of Romance languages. I

16:15

guess. As a South African.

16:16

Fine. A South African who's fluent in French

16:19

and no other. Yeah, they were about between

16:21

then and the hearing those voices

16:23

and actually breaking into the top room.

16:26

Maybe five minutes had passed. So

16:28

they... Where'd they've been? They got out in that

16:30

five minutes. And has someone been watching the door since?

16:34

Say for example they were in the room when you were...

16:36

Not to cast any doubt over your policing

16:39

ability. Could they have escaped

16:41

since? Has someone been watching the door this whole time?

16:43

Oh, I mean, we did a pretty thorough

16:46

search of the room.

16:46

Mmm. Did you check under the bed?

16:49

Of course we checked under the bed. What do you take

16:51

us for? What about the secret passage? It took us so

16:54

long to find the bodies. We searched everywhere.

16:56

But it's true. You would have searched everywhere.

16:58

Okay, so thank you so much

17:00

for your help. I will

17:03

come back to you if I have any further questions. Oh,

17:06

but just before I go. Did you do it?

17:10

No, and I have several witnesses to attest

17:12

that I was not there while this

17:14

murder was happening. Sure. Okay,

17:17

good. So I guess from here... Oh, sorry.

17:19

Missy,

17:19

missy, missy, missy, missy. Missy, missy, missy. Yeah.

17:22

Yes.

17:26

Now I know there were three other people who you... went

17:28

up there. Do you know anyone else who knows the

17:30

victims? Any people in town who are their coolest

17:32

best friends? Any male suitors,

17:35

perhaps?

17:36

Ooh, well, I'm sure that some

17:38

of the other neighbours know a thing or two. From

17:41

what I understand, they kept to themselves,

17:44

but you can't help

17:46

but know a little bit about people.

17:48

I assume whatever businesses

17:51

they frequented, perhaps they

17:54

had someone to do their washing, perhaps

17:57

shopkeepers, bankers, anything like that.

17:59

Okay,

18:00

I'll have a look around for those sorts

18:03

of things. Thank you, Monsieur.

18:05

You may go back to your business. Oh, thank you. Thank

18:08

you, I'm glad for your permission.

18:09

All right, so.

18:11

All right, so I suppose my next bet would be to see other

18:14

people who might know a bit more. Maybe the first people I'll

18:16

talk to are these three helpers

18:19

who were there with Monsieur Mosset.

18:21

Sure. So I may as well start from

18:24

the top and go see if I can find

18:26

Alfonso Garcia. He is right

18:29

where you expect him to be. Right behind

18:31

me. Right where you want him. Wonderful, so I go to his

18:33

house. All right. The one that says

18:36

Garcia in huge letters on the top. That's it.

18:38

I knock on the door when I say. Here you come.

18:41

Is it me, Monsieur Garcia? He comes

18:43

to the door looking. Is it him what? Looking a little

18:45

pale. Monsieur Garcia,

18:47

do you have time to talk about the events? I'm

18:50

not doing any accents. Do you have

18:52

time to talk about the events of the previous

18:54

hour? Stop it. I'll stop events.

18:57

I'll introduce myself with you.

18:59

Oh, you want to hear about this, this grizzly

19:02

thing? Oh. Well,

19:05

what do you need to know? Like I, look,

19:08

to be honest, I'm not the best person to

19:10

come to about this. I heard

19:12

the screams and I helped

19:15

the policeman, Monsette, I

19:17

helped him open the door.

19:18

The main door to the house? Yeah, I helped him break up in the, like

19:21

force up in the front door. Of course.

19:22

Oh, but they started to go upstairs

19:25

and I

19:27

couldn't, I was- You didn't go upstairs?

19:29

I felt just nauseous. You could just tell

19:31

from those screams. Something was so wrong

19:33

and I couldn't. The screams were still going when you came into the

19:35

house?

19:36

No, no, they'd stopped by the time we got the

19:38

door open. I did think I heard

19:40

some voices,

19:41

but- Two voices perhaps? Oh,

19:43

I- Don't want to lead the witness.

19:44

I think so, yeah.

19:46

Could you, no, you didn't go up. Did

19:48

you stay on the ground floor? Did you stay and go up in the

19:50

bed? I mean, I left, but no, I- First

19:53

floor.

19:54

Okay, interesting.

19:56

Where did you hear these voices?

19:58

They were just coming down from- the stairs you

20:00

could hear it echoing through.

20:02

Really? Quite

20:03

loudly? I wouldn't say that. It was

20:05

definitely

20:05

muffled. It's a pretty solid house. Can you describe

20:07

the voices that you heard? Miss Eugassia?

20:11

One of them was kind

20:13

of low. I have no idea.

20:16

I didn't hear it say anything. It was a little bit softer. It

20:19

was a higher one. It wasn't French.

20:23

I think maybe, look, I don't know the

20:25

language, but it might have been English.

20:27

Oh. Now, Miss Eugassia, do you possibly

20:30

speak Spanish?

20:31

School fighter! My name's Garcia.

20:33

I'm not going to assume you could be like a second

20:36

generation immigrant. I don't want

20:38

it. Now who's doing bad accents?

20:40

Miss Eugassia? So you think it was English? Oh,

20:43

I mean, I'm not a language expert. That's

20:45

my guess. Interesting. Okay. Do

20:51

you have any other details about the day? Were you possibly

20:53

helping at all? I

20:56

know you didn't go up immediately. Did you go up afterwards to help

20:58

search the room? Oh, absolutely not.

21:00

One of the other people I heard, I

21:03

stayed on the street for a moment just feeling a bit faint. And

21:06

one of the others came down and I heard them

21:08

say the word blood when they went around to

21:10

the back of the house. I heard some noises

21:13

of disgust coming from

21:14

there. Yeah, I

21:16

left. I went just straight home to lie down after

21:19

that. Okay. And one last

21:21

question. Did you do it? Did I do what?

21:24

Good answer. No,

21:27

I actually did have one more question. Do

21:29

you know the victims?

21:31

Oh, I only knew

21:33

a little bit of them. They were not

21:35

the most sociable of

21:37

people. It's not to say that they were rude or anything

21:39

like that. They just kept themselves to themselves.

21:41

I gather they had a close relationship

21:44

with each other. Didn't have much need of

21:46

anyone else.

21:46

You didn't see people that

21:48

didn't have regular visitors? Oh, no,

21:51

not at all. Angry, murderous men coming

21:53

in at all hours of the night. Not that I'm

21:55

aware of. No, I can't

21:57

think of having seen anyone but them.

21:59

go into it recently. Okay

22:02

okay thank you thank

22:04

you monsieur Garcia you may return home

22:07

and await the

22:09

police who come to arrest you for this murder.

22:11

He goes just several

22:13

shades greener and whiter at the same

22:15

time. Ah

22:16

it is it is a joke monsieur

22:19

it is only a little joke dude. He

22:21

turns the colours of the lions on the Tibetan

22:26

flag. Ah you are green and white. All

22:29

right well I bid him farewell. He

22:31

shut the door and through

22:33

his thin door he's not one of the wealthier citizens

22:35

on the street. You hear him collapse into a bed.

22:38

Oh he turned into a bed. Okay so

22:41

next on my list is a person

22:44

who might know if she was speaking English monsieur

22:47

William Guillain

22:51

Bird. Alright

22:51

so you have to go and find his address he's not.

22:54

He doesn't live on the route. He's not on room or.

22:56

What about Alberto Montani is he on

22:58

the route?

22:59

No.

23:00

Okay well then let's go find William Bird. Yeah sure

23:02

he's easy enough to find.

23:03

No you know what I would like to do first? Oh

23:05

okay. Some of the closer neighbors.

23:08

Mm-hmm. So can I knock on a few doors? Yeah

23:10

you can have a look around. I don't know if these are all named

23:12

people that I know. No you can make up their names. Okay

23:15

so I first knock on the door of Aqueel Poirot.

23:17

Okay. And I say monsieur Poirot.

23:20

I know everything.

23:23

Do you happen to know the victims?

23:25

Oh the women who live next door. The

23:27

I can't even remember their names. What are their names?

23:30

I haven't got them yet. Well I've gotten written as

23:32

Mrs. L because their names were

23:34

slightly complicated. Lespane.

23:37

Lespane. L apostrophe

23:39

ESPANAYE.

23:42

The Lespane's. Oh yes did you know

23:45

the Lespane's? Oh I mean

23:47

as well as anyone can know they're

23:49

kind of quiet neighbors. I well

23:51

what do you want to know? Do

23:54

they have any enemies that you

23:56

knew of? Did they ever play their music

23:58

too loud for you? So loud you thought you

24:00

wanted to kill them and shove them into their

24:02

own fireplace. This is a very peculiar

24:05

conversation. Ah, it is

24:08

the wiles of an old detective, I

24:10

apologise.

24:11

As far as I know, they don't

24:13

have any enemies, but they didn't come

24:15

out very much. They were quiet people. Did

24:17

you ever see people entering their home?

24:19

Any visitors?

24:21

Ah, I don't

24:22

think so. Maybe, you

24:25

know, on a rare occasion someone

24:26

who looked like a travelling, you know, a

24:29

home visiting doctor, that sort of thing. Interesting.

24:32

But, you know, once a year or so, I don't

24:34

know. It wasn't exceptional.

24:36

And for such a big house, you'd think

24:38

they'd be hosting parties and things, but nope.

24:40

I know, what loses? Not given back to the community.

24:43

Exactly. Ugh. Glad

24:46

they're dead. No, I'm really not. Wait, they're dead?

24:49

Oh yeah, supermodel. Oh my god! Well, you

24:51

didn't know?

24:52

Why would I know? Ah, everyone knows, it's France. Oh

24:54

god. Got the travels like... Mont,

24:56

yeah! Sailors

24:58

down the Seine.

25:00

Oh. Yeah, they're dead. Super

25:02

dead. Wow. All

25:04

those bad things you're saying about them, you should feel guilty.

25:06

Okay. Um, yeah,

25:09

alright. I hope that 1840 Paris

25:12

has a lot of therapy.

25:14

Wow. Do any of the other neighbours, if I

25:16

talk to them, have anything else to say if I ask similar

25:18

questions?

25:18

The closer you get, the more you'll have people

25:20

agree that they woke up for a little bit

25:23

in the early morning. They thought they heard

25:25

some loud noise. Maybe screaming.

25:27

But then, you know, they sort of went back to

25:30

bed because it was very

25:32

early, weren't really registering it. Maybe they were... People

25:34

screaming Paris

25:35

all the time. Maybe it was a bird, maybe it was a child. It's hard to

25:37

say. Alright, don't bother me. Alright. But

25:40

everyone does seem to agree that not

25:43

really anyone besides the women themselves go into

25:45

the house and they don't know too

25:47

much about these women. And did anybody, if I ask again,

25:49

did anybody see anyone strange

25:51

hanging out on the Morgue Street during

25:53

the day? Well, this was, again,

25:56

very early morning. This murder? Yes.

25:59

Okay.

25:59

in the morning. No, but one or two

26:02

of the closer neighbours, if they did

26:04

happen to get up and maybe look out a window at

26:06

these screams, they did see

26:08

people run towards the house. Okay. Four

26:11

people? They weren't keeping count. A small huddle.

26:14

A small huddle. Alright, interesting, interesting.

26:16

Alright, that's all for the neighbours at the moment. Let's talk to

26:18

William Byrd.

26:19

Let's go find William Byrd. Alright.

26:23

So, William Byrd, the Englishman living in Paris.

26:25

Yeah, good. He is English.

26:27

I knocked on his door. Bonjour? Missy

26:30

O'Beth. How are you? I wanted

26:34

to talk to you a little

26:37

bit about the murder earlier this morning.

26:39

Murder's plural, wasn't it? I saw the others

26:42

try to pick up the one outside. Yes,

26:44

the mother. Okay,

26:47

they were related, were they? Fair enough. Now,

26:50

you were there on the street. Were

26:52

you on Rue Morgue when you heard the screams? Yes,

26:55

yes I was. What brought you to the Rue? It's

26:59

the best place for my morning walk.

27:02

It's a flat place, it's not too far from the river,

27:04

it's a very peaceful spot, usually. Okay,

27:07

wonderful. So, you're often there

27:09

in the mornings?

27:10

Every cellophane, yes. Oh,

27:12

lovely. Okay, so you heard

27:14

the screams, you decided to help out?

27:16

Yeah, that's exactly right. I heard

27:18

some screams, there was a policeman nearby,

27:20

sort of made eye contact and just went

27:24

for it and a couple of other people joined us.

27:25

How many others joined you?

27:27

Two, I think? What? Well,

27:29

when we were upstairs, just one.

27:31

Yes, of course. Garcia

27:33

didn't follow you upstairs. Oh, okay. Now,

27:36

did you, you went up to

27:39

the top room where the murder happened?

27:40

Yes, that's right.

27:42

Can you describe the scene

27:44

to me?

27:44

Oh, it was, okay,

27:47

so we got up there, the

27:49

fourth floor, the door was locked. Yes, it

27:51

was. From the inside. From the inside, of

27:53

course. Yes, we couldn't open it from there.

27:55

We had to break it down. It took a

27:58

bit of effort. It was a solid door. And

28:00

when we got in everything was quiet, there

28:02

was no one in there. I don't know, we

28:04

searched the whole house carefully, there was a lot

28:06

of mess going on. There was blood

28:09

all over the place. It was not

28:12

something I've seen before. You could tell that something horrible

28:14

had happened, but we couldn't

28:16

see any people, any bodies, anything.

28:19

What

28:19

were the windows like at the time? I

28:21

can't say I paid much attention.

28:24

There was one window on the wall

28:26

opposite the door, I suppose. There

28:29

was another one by the bed, wasn't there? And they were both sort

28:31

of facing the back of the building.

28:33

Which is where, around the back

28:35

of the building on the ground is where you found the body. Yeah,

28:37

that's where it was.

28:39

But I didn't

28:41

really notice. I think, I'm guessing it was

28:43

closed. Okay, lovely. Now you

28:45

found one body. Where was the body that you found

28:47

in that room?

28:48

Oh, the one in the chimney. It was,

28:51

I didn't know a body, I

28:54

didn't know a person could fit in a chimney. Isn't this why we

28:56

hire children to clean them?

28:58

Or geese.

28:59

Children and geese. The

29:01

more you know. I don't pay my geese. Fair

29:03

enough. Yes, very distressing. And you say the others

29:06

moved the body that you found downstairs.

29:08

Oh yes, I was just a little bit slower.

29:11

Now, Roy gathered, one

29:14

of the bodies, its head was

29:15

cut off.

29:16

The

29:18

other, the one that we had to pull out

29:21

of the fireplace. Yes. Not so

29:23

much. So it had blood on

29:25

it, this younger woman. And look,

29:28

I would have guessed it had been choked. Interesting.

29:32

Based on there were just some marks all over the

29:35

neck. But

29:37

no large gash across the throat.

29:39

No, no.

29:40

So the neck was the focus,

29:42

but different ways I

29:44

suppose.

29:44

Is this

29:46

normal? Oh,

29:47

every day. Every

29:50

day this happens. Welcome

29:52

to Paris.

29:52

I thought serial killers tended to have a,

29:55

you know, preference.

29:56

An individual modus operandi.

29:58

Yeah, not just a neck fit.

29:59

Well, okay, sir. Now,

30:06

Mr. Bird, did you happen to hear anything

30:09

else interesting while you were there? See anyone

30:11

else? Definitely didn't see

30:14

anyone else here. Oh, what

30:16

do you...

30:17

Voices, perhaps.

30:19

Yes, yes, you're right. Just before we

30:21

started climbing the stairs. Not to lead the witness.

30:23

There were voices.

30:25

Could you describe the voices to me? Yeah.

30:27

You'd see a bird. There were two of them. The low

30:29

one, low and high. Low and high? The low

30:32

one. It had mondure. The

30:35

high one was

30:36

actually pretty loud, all things

30:39

considered. Interesting. It was muffled,

30:41

of course. Muffled. Big

30:43

house. But, yeah, it was pretty loud. So it was speaking

30:46

quite a bit.

30:47

In French?

30:48

No, definitely not. It might

30:51

have been a woman and it might have been Italian.

30:55

Oh, Monsieur

30:57

Birds, plot seconds

31:00

and seconds like a bowl of soup, reducing

31:03

on this stuff.

31:05

Okay.

31:06

Why? Well, I spoke

31:09

to Monsieur Musette, if

31:11

you have met Monsieur Musette. Of course. Who

31:14

described the voices possibly speaking Spanish.

31:16

Oh, well, Italian, Spanish. Yeah, interesting.

31:19

However, I spoke earlier with Monsieur

31:21

Garcia, who described their voice as not

31:23

speaking Spanish at all, but rather... You're

31:25

doing an accent again. You're getting worse. ...speaking English.

31:28

Oh, it definitely wasn't English. Absolutely

31:30

not. Interesting.

31:33

And now you describe it as Italian.

31:35

What mysterious language could this be?

31:38

Okay.

31:39

There are lots of languages out there.

31:41

You're not a language man yourself? Not

31:43

especially. I mean, obviously, I've learned

31:45

French in school. It

31:47

shows. Could you speak so

31:49

well? Oh,

31:51

it's a great French speaker. Don't even worry.

31:54

But no, I haven't gone out of my way to become

31:57

a linguist. Okay. Wonderful

32:00

anything else you saw in the do you see any people is

32:02

interesting is it not that you heard

32:04

screams yet when you arrived found No murderer

32:07

you're right Well,

32:09

I suppose if a body had been thrown

32:11

outside No,

32:14

no one could survive a jump like that

32:17

No, they landed on the body did

32:19

the body have boot prints on its back

32:21

not that I saw Okay,

32:23

interesting interesting. It is

32:25

wise to not rule these things out Wow So

32:28

I guess now I'll go and talk to Alberto Montani

32:31

who may be Italian. Yeah. All right. Does he see

32:33

me to tell you that an Italian Name? I'll go to him on yes.

32:35

He's Italian Okay I

32:38

fired his home and I ring his

32:40

doorbell. Cool. He's

32:42

also he's not quite a room organ

32:44

He's from a couple of streets over. Yeah again

32:46

just happen to be in the area

32:48

All right. Yes, I ring his doorbell. I wait

32:50

for an answer.

32:50

All right, you Encounter

32:53

Alberto Montani

32:54

I say good. I alberta. Hey go

32:56

cool. Hi Normal,

32:59

I getcha

33:01

I'd like to just ask you a few questions about the murder

33:04

that happened earlier. Oh

33:06

Yep, fair enough. I understand.

33:08

All right Did you

33:10

you you happen to be on on the

33:12

rue when you heard the cries?

33:14

Yes, it's on my way

33:15

to work It's on your way to work. Yeah, well,

33:17

where do you work? Mr. Montani the newspaper?

33:20

Ah Looking for stories

33:23

looking so hard you might create one through a salacious

33:25

murder. Not

33:26

exactly. I'm I'm

33:28

just

33:28

ink jockey photographer Sketcher,

33:33

yeah, he's a sketch artist You can tell he

33:35

pro like the idea of him working in a newspaper is a little

33:37

bit funny cuz his French is not great Oh,

33:39

no

33:41

So could you describe what

33:43

happened when you arrived to mr. Montani? Alright,

33:45

so I was on my way passing through

33:47

and Some screens

33:50

They lasted a couple of minutes. I wasn't

33:53

sure what to do I was sort of frozen

33:54

at first and I saw a couple of people running

33:56

towards a certain house. So I

33:59

followed them with them. They were terrified

34:02

screams. And I don't

34:04

know, we broke in, we went upstairs,

34:07

had to break down a door and

34:09

it's on the scene.

34:11

I assume you've seen it. I

34:13

have. Now I know, I heard

34:15

from Missia Burt

34:18

that you were involved in finding

34:20

the second body, the body downstairs.

34:22

Yeah, so we examined that top

34:24

room really thoroughly because,

34:26

you know, there was lots of blood, but we couldn't

34:29

find the source of it. And then we found

34:31

one body in the chimney, but while

34:34

there was a lot of blood on it, we couldn't,

34:37

it didn't really seem like the blood had come from her.

34:40

Interesting. So

34:42

there must have been another, which makes sense

34:44

because we heard two voices talking. And

34:46

so we looked around, couldn't find anything.

34:49

The other floors were immaculate. And

34:51

eventually the policeman had the idea to go

34:53

check around outside and we did. And

34:57

yeah, that was horrible. We

34:59

saw the woman lying there and we thought if

35:02

she'd fallen or jumped, then there was

35:05

a chance that she was paralyzed or unconscious.

35:07

But then we got up close to her and then

35:10

we saw her neck and

35:12

lifting. That was not a good

35:14

idea. No, her head.

35:15

Yes, yes, it did. It came off. You

35:17

don't need to.

35:18

Land on your shoe, I believe. Stop. Oh please. Blood

35:20

everywhere. Bits of neck in

35:23

your socks.

35:24

We Italians are sensitive people. Please

35:26

stop.

35:26

Okay, I apologise. So

35:28

you found the body. It looked as if, I

35:32

know the body had fallen. Any

35:35

other markings on it other than the cut neck?

35:38

The neck was pretty much all I noticed. It

35:40

was deep. Her body

35:43

was just blood stained from that. Okay,

35:46

interesting, interesting. Anything

35:48

else you noticed while at the scene?

35:50

I think as we walked around, something

35:52

jingled. I think I stepped on some money.

35:55

Interesting. Where was it? At the scene

35:58

of the crime?

35:59

a couple of coins

36:02

but yeah while we were in the upstairs room I seem to remember

36:05

stepping on something that jangled

36:06

did you did you happen to see it or pick it up

36:09

I wasn't paying attention honestly the blood

36:11

was all I was thinking about interesting

36:14

interesting

36:15

I might even be wrong this is just an afterthought

36:17

please anything

36:20

anything else interesting while you were

36:22

while you were going up the stairs obviously

36:24

the screaming had stopped at some point before

36:27

you arrived did

36:29

you hear anything else on the way up the voices

36:32

yeah voices yeah interesting

36:34

I haven't heard about these voices oh what

36:37

could you describe them to me yeah

36:38

I mean I assumed

36:41

that one of them

36:43

was the man and one of them was

36:45

well it could have been an older woman so

36:48

one was definitely higher than the other I

36:50

didn't know what I didn't understand

36:53

what they were saying

36:54

interesting neither

36:56

speaker well

36:58

no I mean I don't speak French very well so

37:00

they were speaking French yeah

37:04

I mean we're in Paris I assume

37:06

so but your French isn't so good that

37:08

you could understand

37:10

oh I

37:11

guess not wow you're

37:14

putting me on the spot here

37:15

so say for example they'd been speaking

37:17

Italian at that volume you would have been able to hear it

37:20

right oh I'm pretty sure it wasn't

37:22

Italian yeah I feel like I would

37:24

have

37:25

had a bit more recognition there

37:26

I don't believe I have any more questions for you at this point

37:29

montani except for this one did you do it he did

37:33

it no he does he

37:35

has a single tear as

37:37

he remembers the scene but he

37:39

shakes his head okay all

37:41

right so that's interesting so

37:44

this high voice was speaking something but

37:47

no one seems to be able to identify what it is and those

37:49

people who can identify it are identifying it

37:52

seemingly incorrectly it's not Spanish

37:54

because the Spanish speaker thought it was English because

37:58

the Italians being speaker

38:00

didn't recognise it. Now, one of them may

38:02

be lying, but it's interesting.

38:05

No one's quite clear. All I know is there

38:07

was a low voice and a high voice. And

38:09

I have several witnesses

38:11

saying that the low voice seemed to be shocked

38:13

and said, Mon Dieu! And that's pretty

38:15

much all they said. Perhaps they'd arrived at the

38:17

scene, was shocked by it, and

38:20

then murdered someone.

38:22

Perhaps the older woman had

38:25

murdered the younger woman. Then this low

38:27

voice person arrived, went, Well, you've murdered

38:29

them. And the person said, Don't blame

38:31

me. I can't speak any languages. And then

38:33

they cut their throat and threw them out the window. But

38:37

then where would this person be? I had two

38:39

voices. Perhaps the low voice could merely be the mother and

38:42

the higher voice, the daughter. But

38:44

for there to be able to have an interaction,

38:47

then kill one, throw them out the window, choke

38:50

themselves to death and hide in a

38:53

chimney that was too small for them to get in themselves seems

38:56

unlikely as well. So this must have

38:58

been an extra person that I just

39:00

can't find. Indeed. The

39:03

fact that one was choked and one was much

39:06

faster than this, possibly implies that one of the

39:08

two voices could be the mother, seeing

39:11

what's gone on, being shocked by

39:13

it perhaps and then killed. As

39:15

an interaction, it doesn't make much sense. It's

39:18

very interesting. And all anyone said about that one was that

39:20

it was a low voice. Yes. So

39:22

presumably a man. And this all happened

39:24

while they were coming up the stairs, so it couldn't belong

39:27

to Isidor. No. Misest.

39:30

Certainly not.

39:32

Those few will attest to, will account

39:34

for each other. Yeah, of course. Is there...

39:37

I'm going to return to the scene of the crime. Okay. I

39:39

want to look for this sort of possible jangly jingle

39:41

jangle. Alright. I sweep the

39:43

floors as much as I can. Alright,

39:46

so again, this floor is ridiculous.

39:49

So there's just stuff everywhere.

39:52

So you go around and some of the things

39:54

that you encounter, you

39:56

do find a few pieces of gold on the ground.

39:59

You find an eerie

39:59

a bunch of silvery

40:02

knickknacks and things like that. You

40:04

find two bags containing quite

40:07

a large amount of money.

40:07

Interesting. You

40:11

shuffle around the bedsheets and

40:13

a couple of other things happen. You find a

40:16

large number of long grey

40:18

hairs in front of the fireplace that

40:20

have blood

40:21

sort of trickled at the end.

40:24

Looks like they may have been pulled from somebody's head.

40:27

With the mother grey hair? Yes. You

40:30

find under some of the bed covers there's

40:33

a box with, it

40:35

seems to just have a few old letters and papers.

40:38

But when you lift up one of the bedsheets, another interesting

40:40

thing that you find is a

40:42

long sharp knife.

40:44

Oh, interesting.

40:46

Bloody? Oh yeah.

40:48

Any name engraved on the handle? Property of?

40:52

No property of. Damn. Sorry.

40:55

It does not, I mean,

40:57

it doesn't look like a kitchen

40:59

knife. Looks

41:00

a little bit hardier than that. Perhaps

41:03

a butcher's knife?

41:05

I mean, perhaps, just not a

41:07

kitchen knife.

41:09

Interesting.

41:10

Definitely looks like it's made for cutting heavier

41:12

duty stuff than

41:14

vegetables. Okay. So

41:16

I found gold for hairs, this box and

41:19

this knife. And a few other things, little trinkets

41:21

and things before that, but not nothing relevant. I wouldn't

41:23

have thought so, but you never know. Interesting.

41:25

If I return to Monsieur

41:28

Mosset, can

41:34

I show him this knife? Be like, what do

41:36

you make of this? Cover.

41:38

Alright, he'll take a look at it and he'll say, oh

41:40

wow,

41:41

I don't have a knife like

41:43

this. This is definitely,

41:46

I don't know what profession exactly,

41:48

but it definitely looks like one of those things that would cost

41:51

a lot of francs. So only a professional

41:53

of some sort. Wouldn't want that. Perhaps if it's

41:55

the doctor's knife. The only people, people

41:58

have, the only person people have seen entering

42:00

this house is the occasional visit the yearly

42:02

visit from a doctor now

42:04

doctor might have a big knife for

42:06

cutting people bone saw bone saw

42:09

where could they have gotten this knife yeah

42:11

and this that will say look I can't guarantee

42:14

anything I don't know much about these women's private

42:16

lives or professional lives I'd

42:19

be surprised if this belonged

42:21

to a couple of nice ladies sexist

42:24

and sad and I mean we searched the house pretty

42:26

thoroughly there was nothing else like that in the

42:28

house hmm didn't look

42:31

like it was missing from any collection

42:33

of cool knives no missing so

42:35

someone may have brought this in the murderer may have brought this in

42:38

is there anywhere in town nearby that

42:40

sells knives a knife shop

42:43

lots of places

42:44

I wouldn't know where to begin especially

42:47

since I can't even identify what sort of knife this

42:50

is like

42:50

if it were a chef's knife great

42:52

that's ten stores that you can look at

42:54

if it were a doctor's thing there's nothing there's

42:56

no engravings on the knife no markings is to

42:59

know it looks reasonably used

43:03

okay so obviously it's covered in blood

43:05

yes not not from the I wouldn't perhaps bought

43:07

for a different reason yeah I wouldn't have thought that it was a recent

43:10

purchase so I've got this knife now

43:12

I'm also gold I show him the gold say

43:15

I found this gold monsieur moussette oh

43:17

wow so the bags of gold or

43:20

the four pieces that were lying around the bag

43:22

this is quite an amount of money

43:27

just in the room I did see some

43:29

bags

43:29

but I didn't go through them because

43:31

because you are a bad detective not

43:34

a detective oh I'm so sorry you're

43:36

a great police officer thank you

43:38

and a terrible detective yeah

43:41

this looks like this is quite

43:43

an amount of money

43:43

I probably take it to the bank do you know whose bank

43:47

they used no you could

43:49

always try the closest I

43:51

will try the closest bank

43:52

mrs. Lesman a seemed

43:54

to be a pretty old lady she wouldn't want to

43:56

go I go to the closest

43:58

bank all right

43:59

go to the closest bank ask a couple of questions

44:02

about them. And you do fine.

44:04

Who was my dad? Mrs. Lesponees Banker who is Jules

44:07

Minaud.

44:08

Jules

44:14

Minaud. I don't know if you pronounce the S

44:17

in that. For our French listeners,

44:19

do you pronounce the S in Jules? Was

44:22

it Jules? J-U-L-E-S.

44:25

Please, tweet us. Please don't. Tweet

44:28

us. Alright, so yeah. We'll just write

44:30

it out so we can't read it anyway.

44:31

You have Mrs. Lesponees Banker.

44:34

Okay. Jules Minaud.

44:36

I say, excuse

44:39

me, Jules Minaud. I'd

44:42

like to ask a few questions about a client of yours and also

44:44

to deposit this bag of gold. What? No,

44:47

actually I need to keep this

44:49

as evidence. What? This

44:52

is weird. Okay. Do you happen to

44:54

know Mademoiselle

44:57

and Madame

44:59

Lesponees? Oh,

45:01

Mrs. L. Mrs. L.

45:02

Yeah, absolutely. She's been my client for eight years.

45:05

She was your client for eight years.

45:07

Oh. Now she's Satan's client. What?

45:10

She's dead. Oh my god. What

45:12

did she do wrong?

45:14

Oh, everything.

45:16

Wow. Okay. She's a

45:18

Parisian. So evidence,

45:20

you think that I know something? I'd

45:22

just

45:22

like to talk to you a little bit about them.

45:24

I don't know the, like,

45:26

them? Them.

45:28

Them? Yes,

45:28

her and her daughter. Ooh,

45:31

I knew that she had a daughter. I don't

45:33

know her. We haven't met the daughter.

45:35

No. Okay, interesting. She does all her banking

45:37

herself. She's an independent little old lady. Wonderful,

45:40

wonderful. Does she happen to make a large withdrawal

45:42

at any point recently?

45:43

Yeah, three days ago actually. A big bag

45:45

of gold? I put the bag of gold back on the table.

45:47

Ah, I

45:50

would have thought more than that. Was

45:52

there another?

45:53

I gave her two bags, didn't I? Did I only

45:55

find one bag? I don't know. I thought you found

45:57

two. I may have found two. Let's see. Okay,

46:00

I take the other bank, you mean this one? That

46:03

looks, yeah, that looks about what I

46:05

gave her. How did she take it home? We

46:07

had a man deliver it. A man?

46:10

Yeah. Do you

46:11

know this man? Yeah, he works for the bank. Well, what was his name be?

46:15

Klaus Kinski. Yep, Klaus Kinski.

46:17

Klaus Kinski?

46:19

Yeah, so he carried it for her. I'm

46:22

not 100% sure if they went together

46:25

during this

46:26

journey back or if they separated. When was this? Three

46:28

days ago. Interesting. So there was

46:30

a man on your staff who knew that she currently

46:33

had in her possession two extensive

46:35

bags of gold.

46:38

Yes. But then if he murdered her,

46:40

didn't take the gold. So probably not him, he's probably

46:43

fine.

46:45

He's an idiot, sorry. I'm going

46:48

with some thoughts in my head here. Did she happen

46:50

to say why she was withdrawing

46:52

this money? No, she was coincidentally

46:55

enough, or rather withdrawn, woman.

46:57

We didn't discuss

46:59

and I don't make a habit of asking my clients what they

47:02

plan on doing with their money. Was this a large portion

47:04

of her money?

47:05

This seems like a large amount of gold. Does she have

47:08

piles more currently in the bank? Or was this a large

47:10

of gold? No, it was substantial for anyone.

47:12

I mean, she was a pretty wealthy woman,

47:14

but most of her money is in her

47:17

house and assets. I wonder if

47:19

perhaps, and I'm just spit boiling here, Miss Humino,

47:21

please feel free not to respond. I wonder perhaps

47:23

if maybe there was someone she needed to pay, possible

47:25

blackmail, and murder go hand

47:27

in hand.

47:30

All right, thank you, Miss Humino. Also,

47:32

do you know anything about this knife that I pull out of the bloody

47:34

knife and I slam it on his desk? Jesus Christ,

47:37

you are arrested. Murder

47:39

is now no longer being solved by you.

47:41

Okay,

47:43

all right. I guess I leave. Where do I

47:45

go from here? Let me recap here.

47:50

There was a

47:51

terrible murder, a murderer who just vanished

47:54

out of nowhere. Two

47:56

dead women, one of whom had just

47:58

retrieved a large. of money. Two

48:01

voices, the low and the high, the high, presumably

48:04

a man and a woman, but not sure necessarily.

48:07

The higher voice speaking a language that seems

48:09

to be unidentifiable

48:11

by anyone, the lower voice

48:13

partly shocked, at least.

48:16

A hugely violent crime scene. One person

48:20

shoved up a chimney, the other thrown out of a window. Screens.

48:23

Now, screens could

48:26

be someone finding a murder. Rather

48:29

than, so maybe one of them had been murdered earlier.

48:32

They said the body on the ground was still warm. Don't you think

48:34

about the body and the chimney? The body and the chimney were still

48:36

warm. The other one took a bit longer to find. Oh,

48:39

okay, okay. The blood on it was still

48:41

warm, let's put it that way. Yes. Were

48:43

these bodies possibly taken to a morgue? An

48:46

actual morgue, not a room morgue? Yes,

48:48

they were. Could I travel there and talk to the doctor

48:50

on court?

48:51

Absolutely, you could. I think that. Alright,

48:53

so you are now with Paul Dumas. A

48:54

bag of gold in one hand and a big bloody

48:57

knife in the other. You meet Dr. Paul Dumas.

48:59

Paul Dumas? I say, Miss you, Miss

49:02

you both. No, you don't. I

49:06

say, oh, Mr. Robert,

49:09

I forgot your name. Dumas. I'd

49:12

like to talk to you a little bit about the bodies that came in today.

49:14

Oh yes, I expected that someone would.

49:17

Yes. Bizarre

49:19

business, I haven't seen them quite like this.

49:21

Could you describe the

49:23

bodies to me? You found two? There were two that were

49:25

brought in?

49:26

Yes, they were in

49:28

a bad way, badly marked,

49:30

completely just broken.

49:33

Let's talk first quickly about the older

49:35

of the two. Do you happen to know these

49:38

women who were murdered? Not personally. Okay, lovely. Now

49:41

the older woman, her

49:43

throat cut. What

49:46

sort of, obviously this was the cause of death? Absolutely.

49:50

She had been a bit roughed around before

49:52

that point, though some of her hair was

49:54

ripped out. Ah, of course, of course, I found

49:57

some of that hair. Very little doubt

49:59

about it. She's lost a lot

50:01

of blood. Did she show any large... would

50:05

it, in your medical opinion, be

50:07

a body that shows blunt force

50:10

trauma from being thrown of a four-storey building?

50:13

Potentially. The thing is, I would

50:15

absolutely, without a doubt, say that she

50:17

was dead

50:18

before a fall happened, if a fall

50:20

happened. There was none of the telltale

50:23

injuries that would suggest tension of

50:26

being afraid of a landing coming. Of course there

50:28

was. Does, in your opinion, look

50:30

like someone who was a body that had been thrown

50:32

from a... Entirely likely.

50:35

Okay, lovely. And it doesn't look like someone then landed

50:37

on the body moments later. Ooh, I wouldn't

50:40

have thought so, no. No, okay. I haven't noticed

50:42

anything like that. Yeah, alright. Anything

50:44

else interesting about that body?

50:45

Oh. A

50:47

big tattoo that said, John will murder

50:49

me on this date.

50:50

Ooh, I didn't look for things like

50:52

that. Would you like to...? Yeah, yeah,

50:54

let me help... Alright, sure. So

50:56

you go in and you find Mrs. L's body

51:00

lying there. The head has been tastefully

51:02

put next to the neck with

51:03

a small thing covering it. Wonderful.

51:06

Any markings on the body that are interesting? Any tattoos?

51:09

Any other... Things like injuries.

51:12

You give

51:12

her a scan for some injuries

51:15

and things, and you don't find

51:17

any tattoos or anything. What you do find, something

51:19

sort of like under her fingernail...

51:22

Ooh, interesting. There are

51:24

some orange hairs. Orange hair?

51:26

A little ginger. Do they

51:29

appear to be human hairs? Like, they're

51:31

not short little animal hair, perhaps? They're

51:34

not like a centimetre long

51:36

or anything. They'd be about

51:38

man hair short.

51:39

Okay. I'm assuming

51:42

the daughter did not have orange hair. No,

51:44

her hair was quite long. Okay, interesting,

51:46

interesting, interesting. Interesting! That

51:49

is interesting. I'm looking for an orange-haired man. And

51:53

anything else of note? That's

51:56

mostly what I'm finding? Yes. So

51:59

now let's ask you... about the younger

52:01

body.

52:02

This one is somehow even

52:05

more bizarre.

52:06

So her cause of death was absolutely strangulation

52:09

by hands around the

52:11

neck.

52:12

By hands?

52:13

Interesting. This is actually a fair point.

52:16

I've made a sketch of... Oh,

52:18

you've made a sketch?

52:19

Yeah, so based on the marks

52:21

that I could see. So I can get a rough sketch, obviously

52:24

not fingerprint level detail,

52:26

but a rough sketch of the hands. And

52:29

so he shows you the sketch that he's done. And

52:32

what strikes you immediately is these are big hands.

52:34

Big hands. These are very big hands.

52:37

It would be not very tasteful

52:39

for you to go up to the young woman's body and put your

52:42

own hands around her neck. But they're big hands. But the marks

52:44

would not line up very well with your hands. So there's a large

52:47

orange gorilla roaming Paris.

52:49

Oh no. And

52:53

he says, look, both the chimney

52:55

stuffing, the chimney stuffing especially, this is insane.

52:57

Very strong man.

52:59

Unbelievably said. There is no doubt a woman could not

53:01

have done this and only

53:02

the strongest of men. I love

53:05

detective stories. A woman could never have done this

53:07

crime.

53:09

Okay, interesting. Anything else

53:12

noteworthy about the body? Any other... I

53:15

think I've told you all I've really noticed.

53:18

Interesting. Interesting. Okay, thank

53:20

you, Miss Year. Oh,

53:24

also I've got this big knife.

53:26

Yeah, that looks like it would do

53:27

it. It looks like the right knife to

53:29

do the throat cutting. I would say so, yeah. Do you

53:31

know anything about this type of knife? It's not a doctor's implement

53:34

or... Absolutely not. Never seen it. It

53:36

looks like it's designed for cutting stuff.

53:38

Interesting. Not in the nice,

53:40

precise way that a doctor needs it. It

53:43

just looks like it's for cutting things in half.

53:46

Alright.

53:47

Thank you, Miss Year. I'll

53:50

call on you. Oh, by the way, sorry, did you do it?

53:53

Excuse me?

53:55

Did you do it? Murder.

53:58

Well, I didn't say anything about a murder. And we've got a guilty

54:00

conscience.

54:01

Wow.

54:02

Conscience? Get out of my

54:04

morgue. I've got a different morgue. The wrong morgue!

54:06

Ahh! I leave her there. Ahh!

54:11

Okay, interesting.

54:13

So now I have a bit of a picture of the perpetrator.

54:16

I'm going to quickly go back to

54:18

most of the people I've talked to, right? I want to talk to

54:20

the policeman, to some of the neighbours, and just ask,

54:23

have you seen a large orange-haired man

54:25

lately?

54:26

I figured they probably would have said if they had, but just

54:28

go around. Not around here, I mean, redheads

54:32

aren't that common, but I don't notice every time

54:34

I see one in Paris. Not even one the size of a gorilla?

54:37

I'm looking for an orange gorilla. Have you seen

54:39

one? Ha ha!

54:41

Um... Is the circus in

54:43

town?

54:46

Circus is not in town. Okay, okay,

54:48

interesting. They said, who are you asking? Everyone. About

54:51

this sort of thing. I'd like to ask Monsieur Musette first.

54:54

Okay, Monsieur Musette, do you know

54:56

anything about a large, strong, orange man?

54:59

This is quite unfamiliar

55:01

to me. He's a red-headed... I don't

55:03

know of any circuses in town. Let's

55:06

say, who was it who I said worked

55:07

for the newspaper? Oh, that was,

55:09

uh, Martini. Montani?

55:12

Yeah. Alright, so

55:14

assuming you include him in this questioning...

55:17

I'm looking for an orange gorilla man.

55:19

Do you know of any?

55:20

I have no idea what you

55:22

mean by that, but assuming you continue

55:24

your line of questioning that you just gave,

55:26

like, is the circus in town or anything? Is there a circus

55:28

in town? No, you know what is in town

55:30

that I've been doing?

55:31

The World Wide Wrestling Federation.

55:33

No, sailors. Sailors?

55:34

There's a big... From Ireland?

55:37

There's several small fleets coming

55:39

in and some individual people. No, not...

55:42

I just want one. I mean, maybe some of them

55:44

came from Ireland.

55:45

I need to find sailors.

55:47

Oh, God.

55:49

Thank you, Monsieur Montani.

55:52

Also, I have this big knife. Is this

55:54

yours? No. Alright.

55:58

I might head down to the docks. Okay,

56:00

you can see it. That is the picture of the sailor

56:03

that the story includes. Let me describe this picture.

56:05

So Danny has, I've just head down to

56:07

the docks and Danny has shown me a picture of the sailor who

56:10

lives on the docks. He looks like a Scottish

56:13

ogre. He's got a beret

56:15

on. That looks like a beret, right? Yeah,

56:18

it's a beret. A big bushy beard and

56:20

he's holding a giant club over

56:23

his shoulder. As sailors do. He's got a big,

56:25

gnarled hand. He

56:27

looks like an angry ogre. It's

56:29

wonderful. So I find that man by

56:31

the docks?

56:32

One of many.

56:35

Are there any sailors on the docks with orange

56:37

or red hair?

56:38

No, it doesn't seem to be a common thing.

56:41

Well, I find a sailor and

56:44

I say, how

56:45

are you going? Whoa.

56:48

Argh. Okay. How

56:50

are you, matey? And

56:53

all the other tars. They're called tars,

56:55

so they're crosswords.

56:58

Well, I mean, clearly you aren't the sort

57:00

of person who normally belongs here. Look,

57:03

I want to be

57:04

setting sail in not too long, so what

57:07

do you want? Do you know any large,

57:10

orange-haired men? Probably

57:12

several. I'm a sailor, but... Argh!

57:16

Who are in town right now? This is just a regular

57:18

French sailor that you're talking to. Argh! Argh! Argh!

57:20

Do you know any?

57:22

Not in town right now. I hope we'll

57:24

just come across them occasionally. Interesting.

57:27

Interesting. Do you

57:27

know anything about murder on

57:30

the Rue Morgue? Can

57:32

you stop and murder for me, please, Mr. Sailor? What

57:37

are you talking about? Two

57:40

women were murdered, and I have reason to believe

57:42

the murderer was a

57:44

large-handed,

57:46

orange-haired man. Oh.

57:49

You haven't seen one of those about?

57:50

No. No, I haven't. Let

57:52

me see the size of your hands, Mr. Salus.

57:55

He very sort of nervously

57:58

shows you

57:58

his hands, and, you know... They're coarse,

58:00

rough sailor hands, but compared

58:02

to the sketch you saw there...

58:04

Tiny baby hands. They're not

58:06

that big.

58:07

I pull out my giant knife and I say, what do you know about this knife,

58:09

Mr. Sailor?

58:11

Nothing.

58:12

Don't...hey, Mr. Sailor, don't you look

58:14

away from me. What do you know about this knife? I

58:17

turn it around and I tap him lightly

58:19

on the forehead with the handle of the knife. Hey, hey,

58:22

Mr. Sailor, what do you know about this knife? Is

58:24

it still covered in blood at this point? Definitely.

58:27

Oh, this is very upsetting.

58:28

Some of the other sailors have started to watch. In

58:31

fact, as you notice that some of the other sailors start

58:33

to watch, you see that...

58:35

One of them has orange hair? No, but you

58:37

do see that one of them on

58:39

his belt has a not identical

58:41

but similar knife.

58:42

I turn to that sailor and I say, where

58:44

did you get that knife?

58:46

Everyone has one of these. The rope cutting. A

58:48

rope knife? Yeah.

58:50

Interesting. Have you seen anyone who's

58:52

not a sailor with such a knife?

58:54

Why would I possibly pay attention to that?

58:56

Well, I don't know, because you want to help detectives?

58:59

Maybe you want to be a good citizen? Maybe you don't

59:01

want to get locked in jail? He's lost interest in you.

59:03

Yeah, okay. I'm not that kind of police officer. That's

59:06

kind of disgusting. I don't want to even perpetrate that

59:08

idea.

59:09

So I say, thank you for your help, sir. Do

59:11

you have one of these, sir? Which

59:13

one are you talking to now? Back to the first one. Okay,

59:16

back to the first one.

59:17

Yes?

59:19

Could you show it to me?

59:21

I don't want to.

59:23

Is this your knife, sir? No.

59:26

Sir, I believe this might be your knife. I

59:29

think I need you to come down to the station with me.

59:33

But I don't know what... I didn't kill

59:35

anyone.

59:36

Who said anything about a murder? I

59:38

never mentioned a murder. Several times you

59:40

did. I did not murder anyone.

59:44

Do you know who did? It's a

59:46

very complicated question. I'd rather not. No.

59:48

Don't

59:49

know anything.

59:51

Look, obviously you do.

59:52

This is your knife. What's your name, sir? Scragness.

59:57

Scragness? I think we've established it's your knife.

59:59

No, don't need a...

59:59

Look,

1:00:01

you say you're not, you weren't, didn't murder anyone. Sure,

1:00:04

that's how I believe you. But who did? You gotta give

1:00:06

me something Skagmas. Because right now, you're

1:00:08

suspect number one.

1:00:10

No, no, there's nothing that can, that can

1:00:13

anything. Oh, nothing that can link you? Your knife

1:00:15

in my hand can't link you to this murder?

1:00:18

There's, like, I couldn't do that. Why

1:00:21

not? Where were you?

1:00:22

It was, I mean, it was

1:00:24

not something I could physically

1:00:27

do. I couldn't, oh my god, my

1:00:29

god, I could not do something like that. Something like

1:00:31

what? Skagmas. Something like what?

1:00:34

Like, kill people, my, like, my, oh

1:00:36

my god, I couldn't do that. Who could, Skagmas?

1:00:40

What large-handed man do you know who could

1:00:42

do such a deed? I don't think any manager

1:00:44

could do such a thing, it was horrible. Killing

1:00:46

John, the killing sailor, who

1:00:49

loves to kill? What about him?

1:00:51

No, no, no, nothing like that,

1:00:53

my god, this is...

1:00:55

I've sort of distressed this sailor, it's definitely

1:00:58

his knife, right? Like, it's definitely his knife,

1:01:00

because he's not, he doesn't have a knife, and

1:01:02

he's very concerned, so it's definitely his knife.

1:01:05

Did somebody steal your knife?

1:01:07

Yes. No, yes.

1:01:10

Did you give it to someone? No, it

1:01:12

was... careless,

1:01:15

it was stolen. Stolen? When,

1:01:18

when about, was it stolen? Last

1:01:20

night? This morning?

1:01:23

Early hours of the morning?

1:01:26

Skagmas, Skagmas, Skagmas.

1:01:29

Your carelessness has led to the death of

1:01:31

two women. My god, stop saying that, I couldn't

1:01:33

do, you know, it's not my fault, I

1:01:36

can't be arrested for something I didn't do.

1:01:39

Well, who did it? Give me something to go with, Skagmas. Who

1:01:41

stole your knife?

1:01:43

He is very distressed

1:01:44

at this point. You

1:01:47

really don't think that you're going

1:01:50

to

1:01:50

get him to answer your questions as such.

1:01:53

Well,

1:01:53

what do I know? His knife belongs

1:01:56

to him,

1:01:57

he says it was stolen, I know

1:01:59

the person who stole it... has big old big hands probably.

1:02:01

I know there's someone who speaks... do

1:02:03

you speak any languages, Monsieur...

1:02:06

Gragnes?

1:02:07

Um...

1:02:10

French is the only one I'm fluent in, but I

1:02:12

go all around the world so I have to pick up phrases

1:02:14

here and there.

1:02:15

Any other interesting people around

1:02:17

who speak obscure European

1:02:19

languages? Oh, I'd expect

1:02:21

everyone has bits and pieces from all

1:02:23

the all the port cities. Now

1:02:25

that he's a bit more open now that you're just talking

1:02:27

about job stuff and not murder stuff.

1:02:30

Have you ever been to the Rue Morgue?

1:02:32

And he starts to

1:02:34

withdraw a little bit.

1:02:36

Have you ever been to the

1:02:38

Rue Morgue? I'm

1:02:40

from Paris, I've been to a lot of places. Do

1:02:43

you know any pairs of people with low and high voices?

1:02:47

Ah, what am I doing?

1:02:51

It's his knife and his knife killed

1:02:53

this old woman. He's claiming it was stolen,

1:02:55

but he won't tell me who was stolen by. But

1:02:58

maybe he's just lying about it being stolen.

1:03:01

Do you have anyone who can corroborate your story

1:03:03

as to where you were this morning? The fact that your knife was

1:03:05

stolen? Oh man, I mean, I've

1:03:07

been sailing all around.

1:03:10

I've just come from a big trip from

1:03:13

the other side of the world on my own. I don't...

1:03:15

I haven't seen anyone here. What's your ship, Mr. Skagnes? Oh,

1:03:18

it's right around here. Can I look at your ship?

1:03:21

No?

1:03:22

I'm gonna take that as a yes. I'd rather you didn't.

1:03:25

Oh, I'm gonna take that as a yes.

1:03:28

I walked toward this ship. Alright, so from

1:03:30

the outside, it looks pretty standard,

1:03:32

pretty normal. And from the inside,

1:03:34

I step on board.

1:03:35

Alright, you step on board,

1:03:37

you look around, it's got like an under...

1:03:39

sorta

1:03:41

area? Yes, I go down there. You know, it's an

1:03:43

under area. There's a cage. A

1:03:45

cage? There is a cage down there. What's

1:03:48

in the cage? Nothing. Is the cage open?

1:03:51

Um, possibly. It

1:03:53

is

1:03:53

open-able. I say, Mrs. Skagnes.

1:03:57

What's in the cage? Oh, sometimes...

1:04:00

you murder transport

1:04:02

things on

1:04:04

friends

1:04:05

how big is this cage is it like a person-sized cage do

1:04:08

you fit a person in this case yeah okay things

1:04:11

or people

1:04:12

miss your skagness excuse me I'm

1:04:14

not a slaver well unless you tell me otherwise

1:04:16

what you have this cage for that's what I'm gonna have to

1:04:18

assume do

1:04:19

you know the penalty for slaving

1:04:23

in

1:04:23

1840s no it's pretty

1:04:25

hefty I'm sure like most

1:04:28

things in 1840s Paris probably death

1:04:30

that's outrageous I

1:04:32

know

1:04:33

the penalty for litter

1:04:35

for littering in 1840s Paris death

1:04:37

death by hanging

1:04:39

so what were you transporting mr. skagness this

1:04:41

seems like a cage takes up a lot of

1:04:43

space is quite heavy you wouldn't have it if you didn't expect

1:04:46

to have anything in it well I look

1:04:48

around the cage while I'm talking so any orange hair

1:04:51

at the bottom of this cage yes there is I pick

1:04:53

up the orange hair and I like I like

1:04:55

to twirl it between my fingers you lick

1:04:58

it and I don't like blow it slightly

1:05:00

into the air and I take a

1:05:02

few more to say

1:05:04

now this doesn't look like your hair

1:05:06

mr. skagness

1:05:07

no I wasn't in there

1:05:09

what was who was

1:05:12

I found this at the scene of the crime

1:05:14

mr. skagness he pales I

1:05:17

found your knife and I found your

1:05:19

caged hair he shakes

1:05:22

his head he's gone totally pale and assist

1:05:25

oh my god and

1:05:26

he just stops and is shaking his head

1:05:29

I'm gonna have to take him in

1:05:31

I think the hair what are

1:05:33

you gonna say you have

1:05:35

circumstantial evidence that's all you need in 1840s man

1:05:38

come on you have to give me more

1:05:40

you

1:05:40

haven't solved this murder new

1:05:43

set isn't gonna take this oh

1:05:46

what was in this cage do you happen to

1:05:48

be selling I look to the left and

1:05:50

I look to the right

1:05:52

orangutan

1:05:54

mr. violent

1:05:57

deadly orangutans that could

1:05:59

climb

1:05:59

out of the window quite deftly after committing

1:06:02

murder, most foul. Speaking

1:06:05

in a language that sounds somewhat

1:06:07

like Italian. Orang

1:06:10

Italian. I solved it. I did it.

1:06:13

It's a funny thing. You're lying right. You're 100%

1:06:15

right.

1:06:16

This is my time on. Salus Gagnus breaks down and

1:06:18

confesses to everything.

1:06:22

He

1:06:28

did not murder anybody, but

1:06:31

his sailing from around the world

1:06:33

was

1:06:33

from Borneo where he was dealing

1:06:35

in black market orangutan. Oh

1:06:38

no. Were you going to sell

1:06:40

this orangutan to Mrs.

1:06:43

No, that was, those

1:06:46

women, I have no idea who they were. I

1:06:48

was, like, I took

1:06:49

the orangutan, got out of its cage. And-

1:06:52

Told you a

1:06:53

knife? Yes, I thought it was a game. It just ran all over

1:06:55

town. It was, oh, it was a game. It ran all over town. It

1:06:58

was early

1:06:58

in the morning, so nobody saw

1:07:00

anything somehow. Until

1:07:03

eventually it saw an open

1:07:05

window, climbed up an electrical

1:07:08

wiry sort of pole and jumped in

1:07:10

the window. The women-

1:07:12

He did not break down the door. The

1:07:13

women freaked out, started

1:07:16

screaming. I'm

1:07:18

a sailor so I can climb, so I eventually climbed

1:07:20

up after and I saw the whole thing. I

1:07:23

didn't go in, but I was standing up, like, at

1:07:25

the window just watching

1:07:27

this happen. And when the women freaked out, the

1:07:30

orangutan freaked out, it had my

1:07:32

knife and it just went berserk

1:07:35

and had a huge freak out.

1:07:38

I cried out.

1:07:40

Mondeau! Exactly.

1:07:42

I say that a

1:07:44

lot. You didn't seem to notice that

1:07:46

in any of this conversation exactly

1:07:47

how many times I said it. Oh,

1:07:50

you think Mondeau over and over again? I was saying my god over and over again. You're

1:07:52

the listener's notice. I

1:07:55

fled.

1:07:56

I don't know what happened after that, but I haven't

1:07:59

seen the orangutan saying that. Well

1:08:02

we better go catch it.

1:08:03

That seems like a good idea now.

1:08:05

Again, I can't be arrested for this can

1:08:08

I? Well

1:08:08

no, but orangutan trading is punishable

1:08:10

by... Oh, let me just look it up in the 1840s Paris War. Turns

1:08:13

out death.

1:08:14

Sorry, that's 1840s Paris.

1:08:17

You don't have the orangutan you can't prove I did it?

1:08:20

And he runs back onto a chef and leaves. Damn.

1:08:23

Do I need to go find this orangutan? No, you're good.

1:08:26

My job was to solve the murder not to prevent

1:08:28

future orangutans on the sides. Okay,

1:08:30

so let's just do a quick recap here. So I've done

1:08:32

it. I've solved the murder. You have solved

1:08:34

the murder. It was the orangutan of Sailor Skagnus killed the

1:08:37

two women. What a ridiculous, ridiculous

1:08:40

murder mystery. Yup. Why

1:08:42

does she have two bags of gold? Is this just a pure red

1:08:44

herring?

1:08:44

Yeah, it's completely irrelevant. Just

1:08:46

the fact that the things that were going on in her life, she was

1:08:48

just giving some gold to her daughter one day.

1:08:50

Who was the high voice speaking? It

1:08:52

was the orangutan.

1:08:55

Orangutans. They thought it was making

1:08:57

a callion. They couldn't quite identify.

1:08:59

They thought it was sticky. Have you

1:09:01

heard an orangutan talk? It does not sound

1:09:03

like a medley of romance languages.

1:09:06

That is not the sound of an orangutan. No one's ever

1:09:09

been in a zoo and been like, is there somebody mumbling

1:09:11

in French? Oh, no, just a giant ape.

1:09:14

Have you heard the orangutans at the zoo talk? God.

1:09:18

My God. So this was Skagnus's reaction.

1:09:21

Alright, I go back to this year,

1:09:23

and I explain the whole thing.

1:09:25

And I say, send your men out to look

1:09:28

for orangutans. Understood. And Montani

1:09:30

puts a lost and found ad in the newspaper.

1:09:33

Wanted.

1:09:36

Deadly orangutan.

1:09:38

Actually,

1:09:40

in

1:09:40

the original story, they figure out that they

1:09:42

don't go and visit the

1:09:44

sailor what the detective did. He

1:09:47

figures out in his head that it was probably an orangutan and

1:09:49

probably an orangutan owned by a

1:09:51

sailor. So he puts a lost

1:09:54

and found ad in the newspaper. And he says, send your

1:09:55

men out to look for orangutan.

1:09:58

And I say, send your men out to look for orangutan. out

1:10:00

a lost and found ad saying, hey,

1:10:02

I've found an orangutan. If this is your

1:10:05

orangutan, come and claim it. And

1:10:07

that's how they catch the sailor. In

1:10:08

the original story, didn't this sailor go

1:10:10

to prison?

1:10:11

Not specified. How

1:10:13

absurd. The person solving

1:10:15

the mystery seems to be... Just the concerned

1:10:18

citizen. At the very least pretending to be

1:10:20

sympathetic towards this sailor, saying, no, we know you

1:10:22

didn't do anything wrong. Oh,

1:10:25

how ridiculous. Well, that was really fun, Danny. I

1:10:27

would love

1:10:28

to be able to do more of these. I hope

1:10:30

so.

1:10:30

And if we were, say, to do something,

1:10:32

I know it, I assume

1:10:34

it wouldn't be copyright free, any Ags, the

1:10:36

Christies, that sort of thing,

1:10:38

they tend to make a lot more sense.

1:10:39

And be a bit more satisfying. Yeah, I hope you can find

1:10:42

something a bit more like that. Sherlock Holmes

1:10:44

is a definitely... Are they

1:10:46

necessarily whodunners? Would have to find out,

1:10:48

I suppose. Sometimes they are, sometimes they're not.

1:10:51

Wonderful. Well, look, that was a

1:10:54

huge amount of fun. I really enjoyed that, actually.

1:10:56

I hope for people listening it was something fun. It's something

1:10:59

different than what we usually do.

1:11:11

Thank

1:11:24

you for listening.